1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Now we've got the list of new subjects that years 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: eleven to thirteen students will be able to choose in 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: the curriculum shakeup. They include Civics, Politics and philosophy, Media 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: journalism and communications, further maths, and Electronics and Mechatronics. Erica 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: Stanford is with us. Hello Erica, Hello, how are you 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: very well? Thank you? Is there a theme here? You 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: adding these subjects for a particular reason? 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: Look, there is. There is certainly a STEM theme. You'll 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: be able to see that in other countries. We compare 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: ourselves to offer things like further maths and data analysis, 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: but we don't do that because we haven't had the 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: ability to. Frankly, we just haven't had kids wore at curriculum. 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: And now that we've got this whole reform program going, 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: we can actually look to the future and go, well, 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: what does that look like if we've got more kids 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: who are at curriculum and in these STEM subjects and 17 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: further maths is something that lots of other countries offer 18 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: but we don't. So there is a bit of a 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: STEM theme with the electronics and mechatronics further maths. There's 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: also applied maths, which is you know, maths for people 21 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: who want to go into the trades. So really good 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: solid maths. But isn't your insane calculus that many people 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: find difficult? 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: What about civics? Why is that in there? 25 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: Look, it's something that I think that's been called for 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: for a very long time. I remember talking about it 27 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: when I was at university, myself being interviewed on it 28 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: by the news about why we didn't teach civics and 29 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: schools and there are many schools out there who have 30 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: kind of cobbled bits and pieces of other standards together 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: to try and create philosophy and politics and civics courses. 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: But this will be a whole year's curriculum worth of those, 33 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: and I think it's about time. 34 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Have you guys dropped agriculture. 35 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: No, it's being created as a industry led pathway, So 36 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: it'll be sort of your food and fiber agriculture standards 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: or curriculum that will be strengthened and aligned with what 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: industry want, and also aligned with tertiary qualification. So those 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: lucky students doing that will come out with not only 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: a secondary qualification, but also potential level two and three 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: tertiary qualifications as well. 42 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: Now just on what's going on at the moment with 43 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: the primary and secondary school teachers and the fact that 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: some of them are striking, others are thinking about strike. 45 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Are you guys in government going to limit the ability 46 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: of public workers to strike. 47 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: Look, it's not something that it's in my a bit 48 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: of things that I look at it. It's Judith Collins, 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: Minister Collins. She hasn't spoke, she hasn't spoken to me 50 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: about it, So I'm not aware of any work that's underway. Look, 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: I say it is frustrating because in good faith we've 52 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: put literally everything on the table and said, look, this 53 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: is the total quantum and let's work within it to 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: make sure that it works for you. And you know 55 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: we've met their demands. We've already put a whole lot 56 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: of money into three quarters of a billion into learning support, 57 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: you know. And I hear Liam Rutherford from the Nzity 58 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: Eye on the news saying, oh, it's not about pay, 59 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: it's about learning support. It's like, well, we just had 60 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: the biggest boost in learning support in a generation, three 61 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: quarters of a billion dollars. That answered almost everything that 62 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: teachers wanted. More teacher aides, more learning support coordinators, more 63 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: money for high needs. You know, it was a huge, 64 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: significant package, so it just feels like the stands keep 65 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: sort of shifting. 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: I can understand your frustration, Erica. Thank you very much, Erica, Stanford, 67 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: Education Minister. For more from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen 68 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 69 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.