1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: On the huddle we have this evening. Stuart Nash, former 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: labor minister and Mark Sainsbury broadcaster highlights. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: Never how are you good good now? 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Says how do you feel about the heir all taking 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: photos of Mark Lundy today? 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: Oh? 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 3: You know, and some mas others don't care, you know. 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 3: I mean he's come out as he can't do media interviews, 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: so it's purely voyeuristic, isn't it. 10 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 4: Yes, totally. 11 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 3: But you know that's why we all complained about clickbait 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: and all this sort of stuff, and we all look 13 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: at it. Yeah, and I did have a look. This 14 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 3: is the thing. I looked at the photo, but at 15 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: the same time thinking, well, you know, it doesn't really 16 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 3: you know, he's out, he's done, he's done his time. 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: Here's a question for you, saints. How closely did you 18 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: look at the photo? 19 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: What do you mean how close? 20 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: Well? How much time did you spend looking at Well? 21 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: I did spend. I didn't spend an inordinate time. 22 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: I spent a really long time, like I spent really Yeah. 23 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: I concentrated on he was at half beard, which I 24 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: think should be been for anyone. 25 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: That's why I was because I was like, have you 26 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: you have you just got that weird little goatee or no, 27 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: now it's going it's gone like a full armish beard 28 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: but without the mustache. And then I was like really 29 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: interrogating the color of his hoodie and and You're like, 30 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: what kind of style are your glasses? I'm fascinated by him, 31 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: are you not? 32 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: Look? 33 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: There is something fascinating about about that, that whole thing. 34 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: I mean, because it's it's yeah, the whole case and 35 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: and the way it's gone through. But you know it's 36 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: it's he can't speak to the media. 37 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: That I want to talk to him. 38 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: Don't you? Yeah? 39 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: I look, you know, remember when I think it was 40 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 3: Steve Braunius was fighting in his corner at one stage 41 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: he found him at quite an interesting and curious person. 42 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: So, yeah, who does Steve Brownie has not find interesting 43 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: and curious? What do you think, Stuart? Did you did 44 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: you look at it? 45 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Did you did you look Mark brought up a good point. 46 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: We sort of have this concept in New Zealand that 47 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: if you do the crime and you're convicted, you do 48 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: your time. And once you've done your time, society has 49 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: kind of said, you know, you paid your penance, get 50 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 2: on and live your life. I know, it doesn't matter 51 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: what you think of the guy, or the case or 52 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: what you've read. Just let the guy be. He's done 53 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 2: his time. If he wants to keep fighting for his innocence, 54 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: well then he himself is putting himself out there. The 55 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: terms of his parole are quite strict. Just let him go. 56 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: I mean, shit, we've got more important things to deal 57 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: with in this country than Mark bloody Lunda. Haven't we 58 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: like what I mean? 59 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering, what's the 60 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: top of your mind? You pay equity Jesus day, how 61 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: badly have they stuffed this up? 62 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: Really really badly? You know, if you're going to do 63 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: something like this, you have got to have an outstandingly 64 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: good comms program and strategy. 65 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 4: That, oh my gosh, do you hit Stu Hey, Stu, 66 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 4: mister Relibel still, Oh you know you are? 67 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: You do it to me most of the time. It's 68 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: too as unusual to have done it. Right, Take a 69 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: break and we'll see if we can come back to him. 70 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: All right, you're back with the huddle. Stewart, Nash and 71 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: Mark Sainsbury. Now, Ste you were saying that you need 72 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: a good comms plan. If you're going to do something 73 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: like this pay equity thing. 74 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to have a great comm strategy because 75 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: this was always going to cause a little bit of trouble. 76 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: They've completely stuffed this up. You know, you're fifty percent 77 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: of the population of woman. You've basically said it doesn't 78 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: really matter if women aren't paid more than men, because 79 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: we've got other budget priorities, like you know, like defense, 80 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: like guns and ships and boats and tanks. But don't 81 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: worry about women's paid. It's okay if they don't get 82 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: paid the same. And you know you're talking to people. 83 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: You know, I've got two daughters and a wife. You're 84 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: a woman. Imagine finding out your you know, your daughter's 85 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: getting paid less because she's a woman and a woman's profession. 86 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: I just think they have completely stuff as And then 87 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: to make it worse, David Seymour yet again has put 88 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: his footnote by coming out and saying, oh, we've saved 89 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: the government's budget by saving them billions of dollars, so 90 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: it's about the budget now, about money, and I think 91 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: David's more shivers if he's going to be a deputy 92 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: Prime minister. 93 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: Well, isn't it better that he's telling the truth rather 94 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: than the others who are pretending that it's not the case. 95 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: What is this the reason we're doing it? Are we 96 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: actually doing this because we want to save money so 97 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: we can spend another four billion dollars on defense? 98 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 4: Yes? 99 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: Wow, If that is the prize of the government, then 100 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: I think they've got and they've completely misjudged it. 101 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: No, he So can I come out yet with this? 102 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: Right? 103 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: I don't think that what they've done is a bad thing. 104 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: I think that it's a good thing to do what 105 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: they're doing and redid the system which had got completely mad. 106 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: It's just the way that they've handled it and the 107 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: way they've communicated it and done it on a shifty way, 108 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: that's the problem. So it looks underhand, right, and they 109 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: haven't sold the story. Is that fair? 110 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's completely fair? Big. Well, the thing is here 111 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 2: that I don't know that's the case. And the reason 112 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: I say that is if I had a really if 113 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: I had a really sound understanding of why they were 114 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: doing this, then I might take that stance and go, yeah, okay, 115 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: I kind of. 116 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: See that they haven't told you, haven't told you why. 117 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 2: They haven't told me? Why they're doing this, what the 118 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: cost of this is, what the implications are, and how 119 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: we're actually going to ensure that that women employed in 120 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: industries that a woman dominated are actually going to be 121 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: paid a fair ways for a fair day's pay and 122 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: not undervalued compared to men. 123 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Say so what do you think? 124 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 3: Oh, look, I think it's a bit of a disaster 125 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: if you really want to sort of ruin political chances 126 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: piss off hundreds of thousands of women, which is what 127 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: they've done. And I think, look, if there are good 128 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: reasons for it here that if they're saying, as the saying, 129 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: oh we're doing this for women, effort's collective laugh, then 130 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: you've got to come up with the goods and show 131 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: why it's happened. I think I think still it was right. 132 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: It was right on the money to come out with 133 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: something like this without a plan of how to sell 134 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: and explain to people why they've done it. It just 135 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: looks like we're happy to give tax cuts to you know, 136 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: our mates, we're happy to give tax cuts to landlords, 137 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 3: but the working women of New Zealand they're going to 138 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 3: pay for it. 139 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: So once again the landlord tax, totally think totally tax 140 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: break fair thing to do badly communicated, which seems to 141 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: be a common theme with these guys. Now listen saying, 142 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: so oh, I'm getting a lot of texts defending cash 143 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: and taking your wages in cash. But let's be honest 144 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: about it and tell me what you think if someone 145 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: asks you to be paid in cash. There is no 146 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: not dodgy reason is there. 147 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 3: It's Look, it used to be the old cashi jobs. 148 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: You didn't pay tax, you didn't pay gest all that 149 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: sort of thing. But cash is just now. I mean, 150 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: you know, my wife's a lawyer. There are anty money laundering. 151 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: Anyone spending more than ten thousand in cash, you've got 152 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: to explain where it came from, you know, because cash 153 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: is Do you wonder what you wonder what's going to 154 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: happen to the illegal drugs industry if they get rid 155 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: of case transactions. 156 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: Don't you think if somebody says to you that they 157 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: want to be paid in cash, you know that it 158 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: up to no gurnet. 159 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: Look, I was a Minister of Revenue and this is 160 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 2: a massive, big problem. There were people getting paid cash 161 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: and basically that was you know, that was the word 162 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: for we're going to do this illegally, and that this 163 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: is a whole lot of people. Look there, I doubt 164 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: there's anyone listening to your program tonight that doesn't have 165 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: a cell phone. If you get a cell phone, you 166 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 2: have the ability to pay anything. With today's rather antiquated technol. 167 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: You really don't need cash unless you're gonna do something dodgy, 168 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: or you've got it from doing something dodgy. 169 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: The weird thing is I've had cash in my pocket 170 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: which sits there for almost for weeks. 171 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's only a well, I always assume that I've 172 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: got cash that's been sitting there for weeks, and I'm 173 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: always disappointed when I opened the wallet and I found 174 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: that I did, in fact spend it weeks ago. 175 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: No, no, no, hold on it. 176 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: Text to you, I think you I think you were 177 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: too you were too sweeping with that statement, because sometimes 178 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: it's a good thing to have cash to, for example, 179 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: pay the babysitter, right, or you know, you've got to 180 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: have a bit of cash for we. 181 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: Pay text. 182 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: Don't go down there and exactly, and it's very cool 183 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: bad if you want to talk about text and charities. 184 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: The thing is is that I'm like you. I mean, 185 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: I like to have a fifty dollars sitting around somewhere 186 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: just in case I need it. Yeah, and then I 187 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: go to find it when the kids need for some 188 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: sort of social and I find one of the other 189 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: kids has taken it. But but we're not talking about this, right, 190 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: We're talking about someone coming along and saying, hey, look, 191 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: I can build your fence. It's going to cost you 192 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: twelve hundred bucks, but if you pay me cash, I 193 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: can do it for a thousand. Now, I think in 194 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: this day and age that's acceptable, and all the honest 195 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: spills out there and the vast majority are will go shit. 196 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: Aus I'm paying text in this bigger, isn't I don't 197 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: think there's any reason to not have to pay care and. 198 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: They're not doing it to avoid bank fees. 199 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: Guys, thanks very much, appreciate. 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