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Speaker 2: There'd be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It is six after four News talks. They'd be great

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Speaker 3: to have your company this afternoon. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Chris Hipkins, the labor leader about asset sales and

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Speaker 3: with that? Worried if they won't talk to us? Is

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Speaker 3: this a storm and a teacup? Plus how young must

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Speaker 3: you be for jury duty in New Zealand? And John

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Speaker 3: Minto hunting down Israeli soldiers on holiday in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Bryan Bridge, the fact.

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Speaker 3: That labor is so worked up about the government potentially

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Speaker 3: selling off a few SOEs a bit of privatization probably

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Speaker 3: I reckon now is the time for Luxeen and Co.

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Speaker 3: go much further. They need to start talking about bigger

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Speaker 3: they're setting up a sovereign wealth fund. Wouldn't that be nice? Politically?

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Speaker 3: Our economy performed the worst in the developed world last year.

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Speaker 3: it not the right time to throw it overboard. I

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Speaker 3: Ten and after four News Talk said, b if your

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. I'm going to have to come back to

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Speaker 7: What we've seen causing frustration is people are contacting Sky

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Speaker 1: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 4: Let's get connected, News Talk said BE.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen after four News Talk said, the boy have we

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Speaker 8: Our biggest fear of sky in the old in the

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Speaker 9: Yeah, let it be.

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Speaker 8: Which sixty seventy because I have had everything channel I

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Speaker 8: That's what it is.

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Speaker 3: And let's talk about sport then, because that'll keep you happy.

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Speaker 3: The All Black Sevens I've lost to Uruguay. This is

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Speaker 8: Sir Gordon Titchen says absolute, He's a godlike figure amongst sevens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't need to happen, so we don't need

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Speaker 8: Fan being old on, because my initial reaction when it

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Speaker 10: And they got beaten in the final.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make skytes of money to you.

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Speaker 8: It's an Olympic program now, so it's got that focus

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Speaker 3: Horses. This ash Burton bred racehorse selling for two point

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Speaker 8: Well it's a Philly. It's the most expensive lady that's

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 8: it's worth while, and then have some foles and sell

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Speaker 3: It is twenty five minutes away from five year old

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Speaker 3: Why do we own so many things? Why does the

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Speaker 3: The US President Donald Trump's hosted House Republicans for the

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Speaker 3: And finally, this afternoon, this.

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Speaker 3: Animal rights group Peter has called for the town of

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Speaker 3: punk Satawny this is to abandon its annual Groundhog Day tradition.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 3: The eye with a burnt stick. Twenty two to five.

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Speaker 2: Could be worse. They could shoot it. At least they

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Speaker 3: I don't think Peter would approve of that. No, I

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Speaker 3: think Peter would approve of that somehow, Murray. The Aussie

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Australia has not to the same extent

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's still worth Let's not that this

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Speaker 2: me an email of your playbook because he's cranking out that,

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Speaker 2: you know, in my first one hundred days, all this

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Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And here he is, he's named this bloke,

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Speaker 2: he's you know, he's really risen without a without a trace.

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Speaker 2: And the coalition to guy called David Coleman, he's now

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Speaker 2: the new shadow Foreign affairsman. I mean, he wouldn't say

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Speaker 2: bootwoock goose anyway, he's busy there wonking away lock that

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Speaker 2: big goose from the big table at the top of

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Speaker 2: the room with Dutton's and Promata saying, oh, look, we

447
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Speaker 2: have to improve the United Nations. Oh yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: the UN has immense room for improvement. The multilateral body

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Speaker 2: far from effective. It's an organization, says Coleman, with important goals.

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Speaker 2: When it works effectively, it's good, but plainly when you

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Speaker 2: look at some of the UN resolutions on issues such

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Speaker 2: as the Middle East, it's not always effective and as

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Speaker 2: far often and as often far from effective. So we're

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Speaker 2: going to get a lot more of this stuff between

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Speaker 2: now election day. It really is, it's Trump light over

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Speaker 2: here with the opposition. He's every single card he can play.

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Speaker 3: He is fair enough. I suppose fire fighters have put

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Speaker 3: out a warning about we've got this problem in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand as well. But the e bike batteries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Now there was a stat Christmas time. I

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Speaker 2: did a couple of stories on this. In New South

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Speaker 2: Wales last year they had more than one of these

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Speaker 2: fires a week, and two people died when their apartment

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Speaker 2: caught fire. Because people are going home with their e

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Speaker 2: bikes and their e scooters, plugging them into the wall

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Speaker 2: and then going to bed. And the thing is that

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Speaker 2: these things catch fire and they can. As we've all seen,

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Speaker 2: people are getting trapped, they're jumping out of windows and

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Speaker 2: so on. One really bright sparkle with the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 2: He came home after a big day out in the scooter.

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Speaker 2: Gee wherez it feels pretty hot, I might whack it

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Speaker 2: in the freezer. So that's what he's done bomb for

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Speaker 2: some reason. I mean, I don't know why. I'm not

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Speaker 2: a chemist, but I mean, this thing is literally blown

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Speaker 2: up in the freezer. There's one guy who's climbed out

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Speaker 2: onto a balcony. Another one had to jump. You've got

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Speaker 2: fire officers up there saying listen, these rechargeable batteries, right,

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Speaker 2: you're supposed to look after them. You're not supposed to

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Speaker 2: soup them up so they can go faster. You're supposed

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Speaker 2: to not chargs them up on soft furnishings like under

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Speaker 2: blankets and whatnot. Because there's a thing called a thermal runaway,

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Speaker 2: which sounds pretty dramatic, but it can kill people and

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Speaker 2: look at it explodes, It catches, look at eats up,

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Speaker 2: explodes and the joint is all of a sudden burning.

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Speaker 2: So if any more warnings had to be put out,

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Speaker 2: this case up in Queensland certainly has underlined that significance.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like it. Murray, thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you on.

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Speaker 15: The show.

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Speaker 3: Was always seventeen away from five. It's Murray holds with

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Speaker 3: us out of Australia. As I said, we're going to

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Speaker 3: get to Chris Hipkins after five and plenty want to

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Speaker 3: come on this in video of the stock story as well.

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Speaker 3: Out of the States.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centric Credit, Check your customers and get payment

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Speaker 1: Certainty News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: It is fourteen to five. Jason Walls is with us

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Speaker 3: sidb's political editor in Wellington. Jason, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 16: Oh hello, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Hey, the battle lines for the next election already been drawn.

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Speaker 3: This is over asset sales.

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Speaker 16: Indeed, well, it was kind of hinted at yesterday with

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Speaker 16: Nikola Willis, who said that the Treasury had undertaken a

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Speaker 16: body of work to draw up a proposed statement for

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Speaker 16: state owned enterprises essentially almost company like things that are

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Speaker 16: owed by the Crown. Now essentially it's assessing their viability

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Speaker 16: to remain state owned. She did not elaborate too much

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Speaker 16: or in terms of the various assets that they were

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Speaker 16: looking at. But today Chris Hipke Chris Luxon was forced

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Speaker 16: to elaborate a little bit more because he had previously

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Speaker 16: ruled out the sale of state assets. So we naturally

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Speaker 16: asked them questions about that this morning.

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Speaker 17: That's not something that we've been talking about this term.

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Speaker 17: We won't be talking about this term. I'm open to

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Speaker 17: talking about it in the longer term. And at the

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Speaker 17: next election, but that's something for the selection for this term.

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Speaker 16: It's not so not this term of government. But it's

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Speaker 16: definitely not a no. We will never be selling state assets.

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Speaker 16: In fact, it sounds like it is going to be

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Speaker 16: an issue for the election.

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Speaker 17: Well, just as I said, we just take it to

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Speaker 17: the election, and we would obviously seek to get a

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Speaker 17: bit part of our program that we want to talk

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Speaker 17: about it be upfront with new something else.

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Speaker 16: So like Nikola Willis, you won't say what assets he's

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Speaker 16: taught talking about, but he's really moved away from any

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Speaker 16: sort of suggestion that it's going to be our areas

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Speaker 16: of healthcare or the bigger METEA parts of education. David

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Speaker 16: Seymoller meanwhile, is on board and wants asset sales to

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Speaker 16: always be on the agenda.

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Speaker 18: Do we own the right things for the debt we've

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Speaker 18: taken on to ownland. We need to be asking that

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Speaker 18: question every day, not just you know, at some point

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Speaker 18: with a binary debate.

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Speaker 16: So hang on a second. It doesn't sound like Winston

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Speaker 16: Peters is that kid.

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Speaker 12: I've spent my whole career ensuring that our assets stay

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Speaker 12: on our possession.

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Speaker 16: So all three of them seem to be on different

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Speaker 16: pages on this issue. However, the good thing about elections

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Speaker 16: are you don't need agreement with your coalition partners to

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Speaker 16: make promises.

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Speaker 3: No, it's interesting one, doesn't it. I did it editorial

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Speaker 3: about this the other day, Jason, because I feel like

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Speaker 3: for voters in twenty twenty six, we're going to have

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Speaker 3: to make a choice. What direction do we want New

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Speaker 3: Zealand to go into and do we want to put

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Speaker 3: national back in a strait jacket between the sort of

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Speaker 3: economic protectionism of New Zealand first versus that, you know,

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Speaker 3: let's sell the assets the family silver kind of stuff

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Speaker 3: from Act Yeah. Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 16: There is a middle ground there because I mean, you

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Speaker 16: can do privatization without selling off hospitals and schools, whereas

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Speaker 16: looking at cultable value and saying, well, why the heck

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Speaker 16: does the government own their property valuation company?

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Speaker 3: You know, won't they won't go and flog the schools off. Well,

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Speaker 3: no one will let that happen. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 3: House today, but firey, Yeah, Well they did away.

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Speaker 16: With question time today because the Prime Minister had a

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Speaker 16: statement in the House and all other parties could respond

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Speaker 16: to that. There was nothing too specific. It was just

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Speaker 16: sort of like a speech from all parties about whatever

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Speaker 16: the Prime Minister said in their response to that. So

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Speaker 16: Chris Luxen coined a new name for the opposition, got.

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Speaker 17: To say, we are a coalition on this side. There

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Speaker 17: are a noalition on that side. That's what they're about.

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Speaker 16: He took aim at Chris Hipkins's dress sense and must

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Speaker 16: a speaker.

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Speaker 17: While we have been back at work four weeks pushing

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Speaker 17: through changes to make Kiwis so much better off, Chris

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Speaker 17: Hipkins is barely out of his gendles. We signed a

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Speaker 17: trade deal before it even grabbed the workshirt out of

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Speaker 17: the laundry basket.

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Speaker 16: And he brought together his two great loves, Taylor Swift

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Speaker 16: and Sledging the Labor Party.

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Speaker 17: But I think all this talk about Eden Park Concerts

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Speaker 17: has got in his head because he got it a

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Speaker 17: mix mixed up because people wanted the Era's tour. What

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Speaker 17: they didn't want was the tour that he was proposing erasers,

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Speaker 17: That's not what they wanted.

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Speaker 16: I think that one's a little bit better when it's

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Speaker 16: written down. Chris Hopkins, meanwhile, was ready to return fire.

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Speaker 11: This House has no confidence in this coalition government because

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Speaker 11: under its incompetent, arrogant, shamboat and divisive leadership. New Zealand

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Speaker 11: is going backwards.

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Speaker 16: Jeez, Jippy, tell us how you really feel. And Winston

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Speaker 16: was as per ready to attack anyone and everyone. And

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Speaker 16: here he is yelling at somebody at the Greens or

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Speaker 16: Tie party.

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Speaker 14: Marty.

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Speaker 3: We couldn't work out who.

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Speaker 8: Let the wind blow your stump of tongue around?

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Speaker 3: Why what sun sign?

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Speaker 8: And I know I've got the microphone and I'll be

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Speaker 8: here love after you're gone.

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Speaker 16: Parliament is well and truly back. Ladies, gentlemen, strap yourselves

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Speaker 16: in all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Jason, thank you for that. Jason Walls, News Talk

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Speaker 3: ZB political editor. It has just gone ten away from five.

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Speaker 3: I said something foolish earlier, and a couple of you

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Speaker 3: have corrected me. I said that in video this is

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Speaker 3: the chip company from the United States was founded only

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. Was not founded a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago. It was founded in nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 3: This one says Ryan, and Vidia was founded in nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety three. Thought i'd let you know this. Other one

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Speaker 3: says Ryan, You're an idiot in video. Has been around

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Speaker 3: since the early nineties. Murray, thank you whatever I don't

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Speaker 3: care how you deliver the message, so long as I

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Speaker 3: get it nine to five, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 19: Christoph Lexon Prime Minister as well as My criticism of

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Speaker 19: you is that you too much yack, not enough do.

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Speaker 19: If you don't like what Communist Commissioner is doing, You're

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Speaker 19: just all fired.

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Speaker 3: Up because of Trump's executive orders. But that's what you do,

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Speaker 3: exactly what you need to executive orders.

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Speaker 19: You need to get a pen and start scratching out

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Speaker 19: a few signatures and Dyli and the difference between a

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Speaker 19: presidential system and a parliamentary system is quite profound in

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Speaker 19: that regard.

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Speaker 3: You and I are sick of the same things.

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Speaker 19: But what I'm watching here is a commerce commission that's

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Speaker 19: been looking at petrol and supermarkets and building products and

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Speaker 19: everything else gone nothing's happening.

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Speaker 17: So we know what the problem is, but no one

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Speaker 17: ever pulls the trigger to say that's the action that

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Speaker 17: needs to take place off the back of that study.

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Speaker 3: That's what we've got to do this year.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: the Rain drove of the LAH News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Six away from five. So Denmark this is our Trump's fallout.

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Speaker 3: Denmark has now announced they're going to spend billions more

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Speaker 3: on Arctic security. Of course this involves Greenland. They're going

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Speaker 3: to spend it with and around and for Greenland because

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Speaker 3: Trump wants to take it over or buy it or

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Speaker 3: whatever it is he wants to do with it. So

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Speaker 3: they've come out. They've announced two billion. This is US

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Speaker 3: two billion dollars to boost security. What's that going to

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Speaker 3: get them? Three new Arctic ships, more long range drones,

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Speaker 3: strongest satellite capacity. Basically, they're throwing the kitchen sink at

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Speaker 3: Greenland to try and keep it all safety, cure and

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Speaker 3: really just kind of stamped say to the world, hey,

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Speaker 3: remember this is ours, you know, this is part of us.

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Speaker 3: This is on top of one and a half billion

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Speaker 3: that they'd already pleased in December, by the way, so

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Speaker 3: it doesn't stop there. Greenland, of course is quite important strategically,

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Speaker 3: but also they've got the oil, they've got the gas,

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Speaker 3: they've got the minerals in the ground for the green

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Speaker 3: revolution that's apparently coming. Interestingly, how they framed it, Greenland

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Speaker 3: is entering a time of changing threat landscape. This is

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Speaker 3: the Greenland Independence and Foreign Affairs Minister. And when they

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Speaker 3: were asked is has anything to do with Trump? They

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Speaker 3: said no, it's a quote irony of fate. Hard to believe,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. Bus lanes two hundred and twenty thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: from one bus lane in Wellington? Did you see this

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Speaker 3: story today? How on earth can you get fifteen hundred

658
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Speaker 3: people purposely breaking the rules and one month on one

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Speaker 3: street outside the hospital in Wellington? The answer is you can't.

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Speaker 3: And what does that tell you? That tells you that

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Speaker 3: the signage isn't good enough because people don't it's one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty dollars per car. You can't tell me

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Speaker 3: that every single one of those people knows what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that they don't know what they're doing

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Speaker 3: is not their fault. In my mind, it's the councils.

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Speaker 3: You should put better signage on your stupid bus lanes. Plus,

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Speaker 3: by the time you've looked for your footpath, your cycle path,

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Speaker 3: your bus path, I mean, where is your lane? You know?

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Speaker 3: And you've got signs coming at your left, right and center.

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Speaker 3: You've got cyclists whipping across this lane to that I

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Speaker 3: mean Honestly, driving has become so difficult, isn't it. It

672
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Speaker 3: used to be your car, some bitumen and a white

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Speaker 3: line in the middle, and it was quite easy now. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: get me a drone, Get me up in a drone,

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Speaker 3: Get me over all of this. Nine nine two the

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Speaker 3: number of the text News Next, then Chris Haipkins.

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Speaker 19: Up a double side where then on me and then

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Speaker 19: you fifty body bucket.

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Speaker 1: Everybody questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Brian Bridge on Heather Duplicy Allen

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good evening.

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Speaker 3: It is seven after five. Privatization well and truly back

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Speaker 3: on the political agenda. The Prime Minister, Christopher Luxe and

685
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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis are both talking about it and they're waiting

686
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Speaker 3: advice on what plans they might take to twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: So far Luxe has ruled out state houses, but he's

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Speaker 3: open to a conversation with voters about other asset sales

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Speaker 3: next term. Labour's leaders Chris Hipkins is with me this evening,

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Speaker 3: good evening, good day, Ryan. Why do we own Land Corp?

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Speaker 20: Well Land corp. It owns quite a significant amount of

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Speaker 20: strategically important land for New Zealand, and it's land that

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Speaker 20: we want to have some control over what happens to it.

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Speaker 20: You know, we don't want our high country farms turned

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Speaker 20: into forestry necessarily, you know, we want to make sure

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Speaker 20: that it's used in the best interests of all New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: Hang on a minute. Didn't a whole bunch of farms

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Speaker 3: go to forestry under your reign?

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Speaker 2: Private?

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Speaker 20: Many private farms did.

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Speaker 3: And can you just pose and the gum boots of

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Speaker 3: a farmer for a second and just understand how incredibly

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Speaker 3: ironic that statement was.

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Speaker 20: Well, no, because a lot of farmers don't want to

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Speaker 20: see farms turned into forestry either. It is a challenge

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Speaker 20: facing the country that we have been converting farmland, good

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Speaker 20: productive farmland into forestry and as something farmers.

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Speaker 3: All right, fair enough. So if farmers don't want high

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Speaker 3: ca tree farms turned into forestry either, then why not

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Speaker 3: sell it to them and they'll hold on to it.

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Speaker 20: Well, because in some cases some of that land isn't

712
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Speaker 20: appropriate for private farming. So there's good reasons why we've

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Speaker 20: ended up with the parcels of land in land Corpse.

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Speaker 3: So the reason that we own land Corp is not

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Speaker 3: because it might make money. It's because they're high country

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Speaker 3: farms that we don't want anything to happen on.

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Speaker 20: No, they're currently being farmed, right, but in many cases

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Speaker 20: they're not a profit for private farming.

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Speaker 3: I mean we're subsidizing. So last year, do you know

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Speaker 3: what the loss was for land Corp last year?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 20: I haven't got the figures off the top of twenty

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Speaker 20: six million.

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Speaker 3: I mean we're wearing a loss so that we can

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Speaker 3: have farming happen there. Someone else is that.

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Speaker 20: People end up buying it and changing the purpose for

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Speaker 20: which that land is being used for.

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Speaker 2: Late in New Zealand, you.

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Speaker 3: Can legislate against that. In fact, the government and who

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Speaker 3: would want to buy it farmers?

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Speaker 20: But if it's not making a profit and it's not profitable,

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Speaker 20: one would they want to Well, because.

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Speaker 3: Here's an idea, maybe a private farmer might be able

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Speaker 3: to turn a profit.

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Speaker 20: I mean, that's just that's just it's just your typical ideology. Oh,

736
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Speaker 20: a private sector does it better. A private sector makes

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Speaker 20: a bigger profit. How's that working out with the electricity

738
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Speaker 20: companies who are gouging new Zealand consumers higher power prices

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Speaker 20: to make bigger profits. Every New Zealand households paying higher

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Speaker 20: power prices. When the National Party said if we privatize them,

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Speaker 20: power prices will come down, power prices have gone up

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Speaker 20: and the electricity company's investment in new generation to bring

743
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Speaker 20: prices down has actually stopped since privatization. This idea that

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Speaker 20: the private sector does everything more efficiently is nonsense. Let's

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Speaker 20: take the health system. If private provision was that much

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Speaker 20: more efficient, why is it that the Americans have one

747
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Speaker 20: of the least efficient health systems in the world, where

748
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Speaker 20: they spend more on healthcare per person under their privatized

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Speaker 20: health model than just about any other country and get

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Speaker 20: worse health outcomes. I mean, privatization is not the pansy

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Speaker 20: for public services in New z.

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Speaker 3: Hang on a minute.

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Speaker 2: Less.

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Speaker 3: But you're getting carried away on yourself. No one's saying,

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Speaker 3: will sell the hospitals, all right? What we're talking about

756
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Speaker 3: here a specific state on the enterprise will sell the hospitals.

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Speaker 20: He's going to be the deputy Prime minister and he's

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Speaker 20: saying that we should sell the hospital.

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Speaker 3: Which is which is? This is a live debate, it's

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Speaker 3: a symbolic role Depity Prime Minstership. I mean he's not

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Speaker 3: going to be running the policy unit. Qv Why do

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Speaker 3: we own that TV and Z made a net loss

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Speaker 3: of twenty eight million dollars? I mean, can you name

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Speaker 3: an so o e that is performing well well?

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Speaker 20: Television New Zealand like all meaning, there are many.

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Speaker 3: Media companies in the can you can you name it?

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Speaker 20: We shouldn't have public broadcasts.

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Speaker 3: No, but can you name any countries in the.

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Speaker 20: World broadcasters that aren't making any money?

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Speaker 3: And understand it's a very difficult can.

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Speaker 20: As well as it was before. Either that doesn't mean

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Speaker 20: we should do away with it, although that might have

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Speaker 20: something that might have a go for it.

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Speaker 3: Chris, can you name any sooey that's performing well well?

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Speaker 20: Is in many cases are in are in marketing challenging?

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Speaker 3: Come on, if you can't name one that's before warming well,

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Speaker 3: and you're the leader of the Labor Party against asset sales,

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Speaker 3: what hope have they got?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 20: There are private secreting companies that an't performing very well

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Speaker 20: at the moment. The economies in recession because this government's

782
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Speaker 20: driven the economy off the cliff.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you very much for your time. This evening.

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Speaker 3: Great to talk because always that's Crssipkins, who's the Labour

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Speaker 3: leader firmly against the sale of assets. It's fair to say.

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Speaker 3: Eleven after five Bryan Bridge Kitabas has hit back at

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters after he paused AID money because the Kitdabas

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Speaker 3: present president wouldn't meet with him. Peters says he's been

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Speaker 3: trying to arrange a meeting for months in order to

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Speaker 3: get assurances that it's one hundred million dollar AID fund

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Speaker 3: is being well spent. But Kittibas says it's president has

792
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Speaker 3: had to attend a Catholic ordination on his home island

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Speaker 3: on the day that Winston Peters wanted to visit. The

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Speaker 3: Pacific Issues journalist Michael Field is with me this evening, Michael,

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Speaker 3: Good evening Edy. So I mean we're literally arguing over

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Speaker 3: a date. Now Winston Peters has come back and said

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Speaker 3: that they actually suggest to the date. It's all getting

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Speaker 3: a little bit silly. How serious is this?

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Speaker 5: It's totally silly and all this talk about will cancel

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Speaker 5: one hundred and four million dollars of aid is pie

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Speaker 5: in the sky twaddle from Winston pieces he's blundered in

802
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Speaker 5: this one whoever heard of trying to persuade a Pacific gathering,

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Speaker 5: a multinational Pacific gathering. That the bishop who conducted this

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Speaker 5: ordination was the bishop of Nauru and Tarowa. They had

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Speaker 5: over five hundred people on a small island that took

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Speaker 5: weeks to organize. What was the New Zealand High Commission

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Speaker 5: in Tarowa, which is occupied doing if they thought it

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Speaker 5: was a good idea to fly Winston and the boys

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Speaker 5: up on a herb, they have a day chatting about aid.

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Speaker 5: I just think somebody's lost their marbles on this, and

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Speaker 5: the one who's possibly on the ground looking for them

812
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Speaker 5: is Winston Peters. He didn't need to be in Tarawa

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Speaker 5: in early January at all. That junderbus has got lots

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Speaker 5: of problems, and I'm not saying that we shouldn't be

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Speaker 5: taking serious notice of it, but this is possess This

816
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Speaker 5: is like saying I was invited to my sister's birthday

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Speaker 5: party and now it's been canceled, well.

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Speaker 3: But three times canceled three times and just a week's

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Speaker 3: notice as well before they flew out.

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Speaker 5: I mean, oh, this is a tough world we live in.

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Speaker 5: How many eventsive you organized in recent times? It occurred

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Speaker 5: on the bit today that you're initially.

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Speaker 3: Said yes, but I'm not being paid one hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars in aid for you know.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's just make that clear though. Just Is Kisobas

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Speaker 5: expected to sell its soul and coltower before Winston Peters

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Speaker 5: who wants to and who ever heard him of a

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Speaker 5: minister taking it? Decase out in January? He got no

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Speaker 5: home life.

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Speaker 3: Now, well, I would have thought that that was a

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Speaker 3: sign he was actually quite interested and motivated to get

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Speaker 3: out there. I mean, you know, start of the year,

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Speaker 3: get out there and get back into business.

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Speaker 5: January, January, January and terror sounds like some kind of

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Speaker 5: punishment invented by the Labor Party for Winston Pieces.

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Speaker 3: All right, Michael, thank you very much for that. That's

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Speaker 3: Michael Field, who is a Pacific issues journalist talking about

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Speaker 3: the diplomatic spat or tiff as they're calling it now

839
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Speaker 3: between New Zealand and Kiddabas. It is quarter past five Newstalks.

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Speaker 3: You've been going at a snail's pace on the motorway

841
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Speaker 3: is pretty frustrating for most of us, right, but thinking

842
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Speaker 3: glass half full for a moment. If you're a business

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Speaker 3: with graphics on your vehicle. It can be a fantastic thing.

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Speaker 3: Speedy Signs, New Zealand's biggest national signage company, say that

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Speaker 3: when you've got good signage on your vehicle, your brand

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Speaker 3: is always out there. You can or track literally becomes

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Speaker 3: a oh bile billboard, which is especially good if you

848
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Speaker 3: get around town a bit and if you need to

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Speaker 3: do some targeted advertising for example, you're opening a new store,

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Speaker 3: you're holding an event. Having your sign sign written and

851
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Speaker 3: on the vehicle seen in an area creates great awareness

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Speaker 3: and a bit of buzz. Being a national signage company,

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Speaker 3: Speedy Signs can take care of your entire fleet of

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Speaker 3: vehicles no matter where in the country. They are from

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Speaker 3: simple but clear contact details on the doors to full

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Speaker 3: graphic wraps covering every panel. It's no problem for Speedy Signs.

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Speaker 3: Give them a call oh eight hundred Speedy or go

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Speaker 3: to Speedy Signs dot co dot NZ.

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Speaker 4: Rich.

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Speaker 3: Did you know for jury service in New Zealand just

861
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Speaker 3: gone eighteen after five you have to be sixty five.

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Speaker 3: You can't do it if you're sixty five years or over.

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Speaker 3: You have automatic excusal from jury duty and nationally MP

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Speaker 3: wants to change all this and raise the age of

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Speaker 3: people on jury service to seventy two. Their members bill

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Speaker 3: has been drawn from the Biscuit Tin at Parliament and

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Speaker 3: that would raise the age of jurisd seventy two. Carl

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Speaker 3: Bates is the National MP for Huangannui. His members Bill

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Speaker 3: has just been drawn from the Biscuit Tin. Carl is

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Speaker 3: with us this evening, Carl, good evening.

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Speaker 21: Good evening, and happy New Year. Great to be on

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Speaker 21: the show.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you. So I didn't even know this

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Speaker 3: rule existed. So what happens if you're sixty six and

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Speaker 3: you go into do jury series or you get called

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Speaker 3: up or do you not even get called out? What happens?

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Speaker 21: So just a clarification there, maybe Ryan, So anyone over

878
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Speaker 21: the age of sixty five can still be called for

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Speaker 21: jury duty if they're on the electoral role. They can

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Speaker 21: receive a summons, but they can either automatically get excused

881
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Speaker 21: if they choose to exercise this right for an occasion,

882
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Speaker 21: or permanently, so they can say, look, I'm sixty six,

883
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Speaker 21: to use your example, and I no longer want to

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Speaker 21: be called for jury duty ever in my life and

885
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Speaker 21: have permanent excuse or from jury duty.

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Speaker 3: Ah, So what you're doing is saying they will have

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Speaker 3: to because at the moment they can opt out, you're

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Speaker 3: saying that they will have to do it if they're

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Speaker 3: sixty five to seventy two.

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Speaker 21: So essentially, putting together a jury is a numbers game.

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Speaker 22: Really.

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Speaker 21: In last year, during a visit to a court room,

893
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Speaker 21: staff indicated me that it was far too easy for

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Speaker 21: those over the age of sixty five to press the

895
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Speaker 21: unsubscribed button, if you want to think about it that way.

896
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Speaker 21: And this increases the number of summons that they have

897
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Speaker 21: to send out, which obviously has an increase in associated costs,

898
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Speaker 21: processing times and all of that. And so this bill,

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Speaker 21: as you say, moves that age from sixty five to

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Speaker 21: seventy two. So anyone under the age of seventy two

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Speaker 21: would have to serve dury duty unless any of the

902
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Speaker 21: other normal reasons apply, like family commitments or health, or

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Speaker 21: business or religious beliefs.

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Speaker 4: Or the like.

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Speaker 3: What would What was the thought behind this rule? I

906
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Speaker 3: guess was it for people who were in their retirement age, superannuation,

907
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Speaker 3: they're not really interested or not capable. What was the theory.

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Speaker 21: In a very long time ago, And I think, as

909
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Speaker 21: we've all seen over a number of years, there's been

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Speaker 21: a big shift in societal expectations and the way we work.

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Speaker 21: And you know, I trust our seniors to be able

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Speaker 21: to fulfill jury duty, to be able to exercise the

913
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Speaker 21: role that they need to play on a jury And

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Speaker 21: I think when you think about community organizations, sports organizations, clubs,

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Speaker 21: even our churches and schools in the Ark, we have

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Speaker 21: seniors participate in all of those running them, supporting them,

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Speaker 21: and I think jury duty really in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 21: is no different.

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Speaker 3: All right, nice one, Carl, Thank you for that. Carl

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Speaker 3: Bates nationally and p for Huanganu. We'd love to know

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Speaker 3: what people think of that. One nine two ninety two

922
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Speaker 3: is the number to text. Somebody says, I'm seventy three

923
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Speaker 3: and I've been called up for the seventeenth of February,

924
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Speaker 3: which so you will, as you will not probably already know,

925
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Speaker 3: you can just say no, I'm going home and they

926
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Speaker 3: don't have any recourse to that unless Carl has his way, of.

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Speaker 1: Course, informed inside into today's issues. It's Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 1: Hither dupericy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

929
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Speaker 4: News talks'd be.

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Speaker 3: Good evening twenty four after five I want to talk

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Speaker 3: about this so called hunt for Israeli soldiers holidaying here

932
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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. Who is in charge here? Well, of

933
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Speaker 3: course it's John Minto, been round for decades, done every

934
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Speaker 3: issue under the sun, every protest under the sun. He

935
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Speaker 3: has led it, he has marched at the front. Today's

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Speaker 3: issue Palestine. The Mission launching a hotline for kiwis to

937
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Speaker 3: call in and report Jews who've served in the Israeli military. Yes,

938
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Speaker 3: Dobbin an Israeli soldier who's on holiday in New Zealand.

939
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Speaker 3: A lot of people are calling this antisemitic. Military service

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Speaker 3: is of course compulsory in Israel, so presumably this means

941
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Speaker 3: that every Israeli that you see down at the beach

942
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Speaker 3: this summer is fair game. What a bizarre thing to

943
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Speaker 3: do from the fact that this is entirely nuts from

944
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Speaker 3: John Minto, who answers the phones. Is it John on

945
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Speaker 3: the other end and you say, I've just been to

946
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Speaker 3: the beach and I've seen someone who I think is

947
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Speaker 3: Israeli might have been a soldier. And what does he

948
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Speaker 3: do when somebody says that they've seen what looks like

949
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Speaker 3: a holidaying Israeli sounding all looking person. Does he jump

950
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Speaker 3: in his car and chase them down. What does he

951
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 3: do then once he finds them? Will people wait outside

952
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: synagogues hoping to catch you know, like a pokemon go

953
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: hoping to catch one? And then what talk to them,

954
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: ask them questions, harass them, follow them with a phone

955
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Speaker 3: and post a video on TikTok. What's the end game here,

956
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: John Minto? Because this does not sound like a very

957
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Speaker 3: KEYWI thing to do if you ask me, and we

958
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Speaker 3: will ask John Minto. He's on the show after news,

959
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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge, She's gone twenty six after five. Some really

960
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Speaker 3: funny texts coming in about jury service, Ryan, I hope

961
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Speaker 3: the court judge will be happy to allow us to

962
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Speaker 3: take frequent toilet breaks to allow for our aging bladders, Hitslinder.

963
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Speaker 3: This is the if you're just joining us, there is

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Speaker 3: a members building platform the ballot today that would see

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Speaker 3: you unable to just say no to jury duty. If

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Speaker 3: you're over the age of sixty five, they would raise

967
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Speaker 3: that age to seventy two. Here you go. I'm sure

968
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Speaker 3: you can have a toilet break. I don't know what happened.

969
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Speaker 3: The wills of justice would spend very slowly depending on

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Speaker 3: how many you take. Linder twenty seven after five Newstalk ZBB.

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Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

972
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive

973
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected News Talk ZBB.

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Speaker 3: I mean it is twenty five away from six. Great

975
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 3: to have your company tonight, Scott Slady, he's a US

976
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: markets analyst out of the well unsurprisingly out of the

977
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: US anyway. He's going to tell us about in Nvidio

978
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: and what's happening to its share price, So whether it's

979
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: actually that big of a deal or whether this was

980
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 3: something like this Chinese startup was always going to happen,

981
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: was always going to challenge these big ai and chip

982
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: making boys and girls of the Stock Exchange, the darlings.

983
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 3: If you will, we will talk to him about that

984
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: after six. That's coming away shortly. Right now, it is

985
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Speaker 3: twenty five to sex and John Minto is joining us

986
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: because the Palestinian Solidarity Network al ted Oer they're asking

987
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: members of the public to help them track down Israeli

988
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: soldiers holidaying in New Zealand. Yeah, They've asked people to

989
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: call a hotline if they spot in Israeli sol in

990
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Speaker 3: order to help hold Israel accountable for the deaths of

991
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Speaker 3: Palestinians in Gaza, Human Rights Commission, the Jewish Council, and

992
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 3: the Holocaust Center. Also this campaign is potentially harmful to

993
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 3: Jewish people and Israeli people in New Zealand and it

994
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 3: should be called off. John Minto is the network's national

995
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: chair and he's with me tonight, John, Good evening.

996
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Speaker 23: Yeah, good evening. Ryan.

997
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Speaker 3: Can you just explain why you think this is all good?

998
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 23: Well, I think it's all good because, well, our campaign's

999
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 23: good because this issue is in the hands of the government,

1000
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 23: and our government has done nothing effective to put pressure

1001
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 23: on Israel to end the genocide in Gaza. And I

1002
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 23: should say at the outset, this genocide will continue in

1003
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Speaker 23: about four weeks time when the current ceasefire ends, and

1004
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 23: so we've got a window of opportunity now to put

1005
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 23: much more pressure on Israel so that it continues with

1006
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 23: the ceasefire rather than go goes.

1007
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 4: Back to war.

1008
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 23: So what we're saying, what we're saying is that you know,

1009
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Speaker 23: we wouldn't New Zealand wouldn't accept, we wouldn't accept Russian

1010
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Speaker 23: soldiers here on for ristern recreation after the invasion of Ukraine.

1011
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 23: And we shouldn't accept Israeli soldiers here fresh from a

1012
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 23: genocide in Gaza. There's been industrial scale killing of Palestinians

1013
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 23: and Gaza. No one involved in that army should be

1014
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 23: allowed into New Zealand.

1015
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Speaker 3: Okay, who answers the phone? If I call the hotline,

1016
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Speaker 3: you'll get a message telling you that we're not interested

1017
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Speaker 3: in Israelis.

1018
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Speaker 23: We're not interested in anyone from the Jewish community. We

1019
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 23: are only interested in Israeli soldiers. And if you don't

1020
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 23: have information about about the whereabouts of an Israeli soldier,

1021
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 23: then then put the phone down.

1022
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: Right, And if I believe I know we're and how

1023
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 3: would someone know it's an Israeli soldier? And not just

1024
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Speaker 3: in Israeli and the soldiers because it's compulsory military attendance there, right.

1025
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 23: So it's not every not every Israeli and New Zealand

1026
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Speaker 23: in New Zealand is here served in the Israeli Army

1027
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Speaker 23: since October the seventh and twenty twenty three. So we're

1028
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Speaker 23: interested in Israeli soldiers from that period.

1029
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Speaker 3: Specific Quite specific, isn't it. So how do you think

1030
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 3: any New Zealander is going to know the difference between

1031
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: Anne Israeli and Anne Israeli who has done military service

1032
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 3: in the last two three years.

1033
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 23: Yeah, I think that for most people this won't be

1034
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 23: I mean, I mean people people can't tell Israeli's from

1035
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,479
Speaker 23: any other European Well.

1036
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Speaker 3: Quite right, and the problem with the phone line, right,

1037
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 3: you're just going to get it. Well, a bunch of

1038
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Speaker 3: people bringing up saying I've seen in Israeli. Oh look,

1039
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Speaker 3: I've been to the Synagore.

1040
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Speaker 23: No, what good, good grief, don't say that. For God's sake.

1041
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 23: Where I think where it's going to come down to

1042
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 23: Ryan is that And we're already and already I wouldn't

1043
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Speaker 23: say it's a pattern which is emerge from the cause

1044
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 23: we've had, but I think it will be a pattern

1045
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Speaker 23: which emerges from the calls we get, and that is

1046
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Speaker 23: from people who are from backpacking in the South Island.

1047
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Speaker 23: So backpacking backpackers are typically what Israeli soldiers who come

1048
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Speaker 23: over here on rest and recreation do. They go around,

1049
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Speaker 23: they do the they do the adventure tourism. They're in

1050
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Speaker 23: there and Queenstown and all of you.

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Speaker 2: That's that's where.

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Speaker 3: You've had calls from people. And so oh yeah, absolutely,

1053
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 3: And how do the people that call. You know that

1054
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Speaker 3: these are Israeli soldiers have served. I don't imagine they've

1055
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Speaker 3: got T shirts.

1056
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 23: Because they've talked to them and because they've they've been

1057
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Speaker 23: in conversation with them and.

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Speaker 3: They okay, all right, let's let's go. So they call

1059
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: you and then you what, jump in your car and

1060
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 3: go find them.

1061
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Speaker 23: No, no, no. What we're aiming to do is have

1062
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Speaker 23: respectful conversations, but very firm conversations.

1063
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Speaker 3: How do you find them? How do you find them?

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00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 23: Well that we know, we'll we know the names of

1065
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 23: some of the people. We will either in some cases

1066
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Speaker 23: we'll be sending them personal messages on through through Facebook

1067
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Speaker 23: or whatever. In other cases, we'll be visiting them if

1068
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Speaker 23: they're in a a in a location where our people are.

1069
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 23: And well, we've got a very simple, if you like,

1070
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Speaker 23: a not so much a leaflet, but a very simple

1071
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 23: thing that we're going to say to them, and what

1072
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Speaker 23: we'll do.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I'm going to leave it there. I'm

1074
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Speaker 3: going to leave it there because I just to be honest,

1075
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Speaker 3: it sounds insane what you're talking about. But thank you

1076
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Speaker 3: very much for coming on the program. I really appreciate it,

1077
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Speaker 3: John Minto. It is just gone twenty to six.

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle of this evening, Huson Willis pr Trish Shurson,

1081
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Speaker 3: good evening, Good evening, and former Labor Minister Stuart and Asture.

1082
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Speaker 3: Good evening, Ryan, Trish, how are you very well? Very well?

1083
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Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm struggling to sort of come to terms

1084
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Speaker 3: of what exactly was going on there, Trush.

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Speaker 10: I think there's only two words that need to be said,

1086
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Speaker 10: and it's utter nonsense.

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Speaker 24: Stuart, bloody, outrageous.

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Speaker 3: Very weird. Let's move on talk about something more important,

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Speaker 3: privatization and asset sales. I'm just happy that people are

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Speaker 3: talking about this because as a country, we're obviously in

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Speaker 3: the peckle, you know, worst growth last year in the

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Speaker 3: developed world, so we have to do something. We've got

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Speaker 3: to do a stock take as a country, Stuart, is

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Speaker 3: it not okay just to even ask the question, what

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Speaker 3: is the right mix, a sensible mix of assets to own?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, it's not a bad question. But the bottom line, Ryan,

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Speaker 24: is that the government has a role, not necessarily to

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Speaker 24: make a profit out of its assets, but to provide

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Speaker 24: services to the public right now, the private sector has

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Speaker 24: the primary role to maximize the profits out of these.

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Speaker 24: So the risk you run when you sell government assets

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Speaker 24: is that the focus changes from providing a really valuable

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Speaker 24: service to communities to making a profit. And when that happens,

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Speaker 24: you run the real risk that those who can't afford

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Speaker 24: those services miss out. You know, we should be looking

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Speaker 24: at doing things differently. Of that, there was absolutely no doubt.

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Speaker 24: I just don't think that selling off assets is the

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Speaker 24: way to go about it.

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Speaker 10: Well, I, funnily enough, I disagree on that. I think

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Speaker 10: this is absolutely the right time to talk about big

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Speaker 10: structural changes like asset sales. New Zealand is asset rich

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Speaker 10: and cash poor, and we all know what that means.

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Speaker 10: You've got to go through the list of the things

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Speaker 10: you own, and just in the same way that a

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Speaker 10: household we do think about, you know what do we

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00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 10: need to get rid of what's really important to us.

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Speaker 10: The government needs to do that as well. We are

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Speaker 10: not going to get to where we need to be

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Speaker 10: by having incrementalism. And in my view, the New Zealand

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Speaker 10: electorate has moved on on asset sales like it has

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Speaker 10: done on the whole GM debate. So we went from

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Speaker 10: dm GE to GE technology and no one has battered

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Speaker 10: an eyelid. We have a big set of assets on

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Speaker 10: our books that are underperforming, and the right question to

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Speaker 10: be asked now is like, as David Simo says, why

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Speaker 10: do we own these? And then the job of the

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Speaker 10: National Party in government is to say, Okay, what we're

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Speaker 10: going to do is get Simmy and Brown to go

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Speaker 10: through the list, do a cost benefit analysis on these assets.

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Speaker 10: Then we'll take a program to the next election and

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Speaker 10: put it to the electorate. And I think, actually on

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Speaker 10: the center right, that is the way national acts should

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Speaker 10: be working. I am pleased to see David Seymour actually

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Speaker 10: talking about the economic reforms that X should be pushing

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Speaker 10: national on a.

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Speaker 3: Very quick you said you disagree. Do you think kiwis

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Speaker 3: do want asset sales? Sorry, don't want.

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Speaker 24: I think I think kiwis expect the level of service

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Speaker 24: from the government, and the government should provide a level

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Speaker 24: of service that's available to all qwis, not only those

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Speaker 24: who can afford it.

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Speaker 2: And what we're.

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Speaker 24: Findruning in this country at the moment right is the

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Speaker 24: gap between the very few at the top and the

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Speaker 24: majority is growing wider and wider, So you're going to

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Speaker 24: end up with a whole group, a whole group and

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Speaker 24: across our communities and society that just can't afford the

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Speaker 24: service is provided by a privatized community.

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Speaker 3: But they hang on land land Corp. I mean, what

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Speaker 3: are we getting from land Corp?

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Speaker 24: Well, I would I would be very interested to see

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Speaker 24: from the figures from land Corp whether they are turning

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Speaker 24: a prop on I was twenty one about higher performing.

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Speaker 3: Is twenty six million dollar loss? There was a report

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Speaker 3: done in twenty twenty one that found we could get

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Speaker 3: two billion dollars if we flogged it off. Twenty six

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00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 3: million dollar loss last year, poor financial management and at

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Speaker 3: even at a board level.

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Speaker 10: And this is the point.

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Speaker 24: This is about arms to foreign owners.

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Speaker 2: I don't This is.

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Speaker 10: About asset recycling. This is about selling off what is

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Speaker 10: not working and not performing so that the government has

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Speaker 10: the money to invest in better services.

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Speaker 24: But tris can I ask why why do you think

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Speaker 24: that the private syt that can run assets better than

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Speaker 24: the government. There's been a belief on the right that

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Speaker 24: government has no role in managing businesses or managing assets

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Speaker 24: because they just can't do it. Competently and I reject that.

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Speaker 2: I completely reject it.

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Speaker 10: Well, I would say, based on the current state of

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Speaker 10: the New Zealand economy, it is an absolute lesson in

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Speaker 10: why the government needs to own less trill.

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Speaker 24: We have problems around productivity. Our tech system isn't working.

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Speaker 24: Productivity isn't working. In the labor market it isn't working.

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Speaker 24: The cost of capital is incredibly high. There are things

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Speaker 24: that need changing. Of that, there is absolutely no doubt.

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Speaker 24: But selling off assets is a political slogan that really

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00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 24: just does not work. Address the fundamentals of the economy

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Speaker 24: and you'll grow productivity inutrition.

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Speaker 3: Ste it back in just a second on the Huddle.

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Speaker 3: It is twelve away from six on news Talks, there

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Speaker 3: be tricias and Hston willis PR's on the Huddle tonight

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Speaker 3: with Stuart Nashville and Labor Minister. Welcome back to you guys.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk Winston Peters and this diplomatic a tiff is

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Speaker 3: what we're calling it between Kittabas and New Zealand. So

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Speaker 3: mix up apparently over the dates and one hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars of aid at stake. It's currently paused under review. Trish,

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Speaker 3: can you see what's going on here? I mean, Winston

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Speaker 3: Peters clearly wants to get out and say to the

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Speaker 3: people of Kitdabas. Look, I've tried to meet with your leader.

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Speaker 3: He's not meeting with me. That's not acceptable, and this

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Speaker 3: is why we've paused the aid. What's your take.

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Speaker 10: It's always very hard to pick about pick apart these

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01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 10: kind of stories just reading them in the media. But

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Speaker 10: what I would say is that I have faith and

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Speaker 10: confidence in Winston Peters as our foreign minister, and when

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Speaker 10: I look at these stories I read on what he

1201
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 10: is actually saying is he's trying to put a bit

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01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 10: of pressure on the president of Kittabas, who seems to

1203
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 10: be playing a little bit of silly buggers with Winston Peters.

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01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 10: And so I am not opposed to him being a

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01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 10: little bit tougher and saying, well, hey, it's a quid

1206
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 10: pro quo here and treat us with respect and happiter

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01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 10: hand over the AID money. If not, we're going to

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Speaker 10: put a pause on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, because obviously China is involved in this they

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Speaker 3: want more influence in the region. You know the fact

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Speaker 3: that Keitabas has recognized China over Taiwan, et cetera. All

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Speaker 3: of those things that going on in the background. Do

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Speaker 3: you think that Winston Peters is striking the right balance

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Speaker 3: or tone here?

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Speaker 24: Star Yeah, I completely agree with Trisha on this one.

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Speaker 24: I mean, Winston is the most senior diplomat probably in

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Speaker 24: the Pacific. He's loved in the Pacific, he loves the Pacific.

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Speaker 24: He's a huge fan of the Pacific. And I agree

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Speaker 24: with Trisha. I mean, he's the consummate diplomat. If Winston

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Speaker 24: says this is the story and this is what's happening,

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Speaker 24: that I believe one hundred percent. And I would say

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Speaker 24: go hard once and represent aer interests well because he

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Speaker 24: always does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I tend to agree with both of you.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about this arn It's campaign. Well, we think

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Speaker 3: it's a campaign in Australia, so they obviously sell tim

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Speaker 3: tams and in Australia and Walworth, they've managed to convince

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Speaker 3: them to stop the Tim Tams in a fridge for

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Speaker 3: a set amount of time. Kicked off a huge, big

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Speaker 3: social media for rawry over and across the Tasman. Do

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Speaker 3: you keep your Tim Tams in your fridge or do

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Speaker 3: you keep them in your pantry? These are the types

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Speaker 3: of discussion that we're having a Trish.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm a I'm not allowed Tim Tams.

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Speaker 3: They probably don't. They probably just in your mouth.

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Speaker 10: But me, if I was, I am a cold chocolate lover.

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Speaker 10: But to me this seems like an absolute joke for

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Speaker 10: the Aussies because in you know, thirty eight to forty

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01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 10: degree heat, by the time you got your Tim Tams

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Speaker 10: out of the supermarket into the car and home, they

1241
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 10: would be in a puddle anyway. So what's the point

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01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 10: the whole thing unless you're going to scoff the whole

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01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 10: packet in the car?

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Speaker 24: And and Trisha got to admit the company responsible for

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Speaker 24: the PR for Arnots has done a bloody good job

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Speaker 24: because we're talking about Tim Tams on the most popular

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Speaker 24: radio show in New Zealand. I mean, you can't get

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Speaker 24: better advertising than that. So I've got to take my

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Speaker 24: head off to the PR agency that's in charge of Arnots.

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Speaker 24: But group on that one, I mean, do people still

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Speaker 24: eat Tim Tams?

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Speaker 3: I suppose this, ut I know you're very health conscious,

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 3: have you ever even eaten one.

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Speaker 24: Look, they're not my favorite type of if I had

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Speaker 24: to choose. But like I said, I didn't even know

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Speaker 24: about this, and I read about it all your listeners

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Speaker 24: now know. Shit, I'm going to go to the supermarket.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have a look at the fridge and

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Speaker 2: see if there are tim tams there.

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Speaker 10: I tell you what will happen tonight in houses in

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Speaker 10: towns and cities around the country. There'll be a husband

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Speaker 10: who's sent out to the dairy at about eight point thirty.

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Speaker 10: That's sort of what I would call magna maur when

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Speaker 10: the wife thinks, oh, I just need a little sweet treat.

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Speaker 10: Will we tim tams tonight?

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Speaker 3: Somebody who's said the plural of tim tam is tim tam,

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Speaker 3: not tim tams.

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Speaker 23: Oh my gosh, there you go. Why did debate?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, but to be honest, if I am eating chocolate,

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Speaker 24: I do before it cold, but my wife befers at warm.

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Speaker 2: So you know, there you go.

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Speaker 3: In my house at the moment, we're only allowed ninety

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Speaker 3: percent cocoa chocolate, which tastes funny enough like cocoa.

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Speaker 10: And that's why you only have two pieces of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's true, which I think is the point,

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Speaker 3: isn't it? It's mean to taste as disgusting as possible.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys, great to have you on Good Debate tonight.

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Speaker 3: Tricius and Huson, Willis pr Stuart Nash, former Labor Minister.

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Speaker 3: just noticed the story from Masterton this morning, which I

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Speaker 3: thought i'd quickly share with it. You haven't got long,

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Speaker 3: that went to apply for a building consent. One guy

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Speaker 3: working there, one ocasional admin person working there as well,

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Speaker 3: and at any one time they reckon two customers MAXA

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Speaker 3: in this shop right. This is a mechanic in Marsterton

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Speaker 3: and they have one toilet, one bathroom that people can

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Speaker 3: use anyway. They went to apply for this building consent

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Speaker 3: and the ruling was that despite a maximum of four

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Speaker 3: people being on the premises at any one time, the

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Speaker 3: district council said future use of the building needed to

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Speaker 3: be considered and argued the correct occupant load for the

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Speaker 3: floor space was forty people. In other words, because one

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Speaker 3: day there might be a business in there that could

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Speaker 3: have forty people, this particular mechanic needed to have many bathrooms.

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Speaker 3: I mean, does that not sound like a dumb thing

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Speaker 3: to anyway? Turns out the council was wrong and MB

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Speaker 3: got involved, and you know, when MB comes to your rescue,

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Speaker 3: you must be up Shine Creek without a pedal. But

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Speaker 3: they did to their credit, and I want to hats

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Speaker 3: off to MB. They came in and they said, actually,

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Speaker 3: you do not need to take into account future building

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Speaker 3: use when considering a building code. And you need one

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Speaker 3: unisex toilet facility for one to five staff, so that

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Speaker 3: means you get one loop. So if you go to

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Speaker 3: Spud Motors and Masterton right now, you will find one

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Speaker 3: toilet and that's a good thing. Three to six News Talks.

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Speaker 25: It's beautiful things that are.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge on News Talks NB.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, it is seven after sex. Coming up, we

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Speaker 3: have on the digital nomad issue, Brad Olsen digging into

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Speaker 3: the numbers for or US, the Land Court sale, Jamie McKay,

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Speaker 3: the CTU mood of the workforce, and we're live in

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Speaker 3: London with the Edna Brady before the top of the hour.

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Speaker 3: Right now, US tech stocks have taken a huge hit today.

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Speaker 3: You would have seen this in the news this after

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Speaker 3: the Chinese AI company entered the scene. Deep Seek is

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Speaker 3: its name. It's an app that claims to need fewer

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Speaker 3: and less advanced chips to make work now. US chip

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Speaker 3: maker Nvidia lost six hundred billion US dollars off its

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Speaker 3: market cap in a single day, and the NASDAK lost

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Speaker 3: about three percent on the whole. Scott she Laddy is

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Speaker 3: a US markets analyst. Scott, Hello, good morning our investors.

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously they're freaking out. Are they right to

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Speaker 3: freak count?

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Speaker 15: Well, yeah, I think it deserves a little bit of worry.

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Speaker 15: I mean we were pretty much Tracy refection Number one.

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Speaker 15: Number two is until great until probably last Monday. We

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Speaker 15: could go today the idea that there was any competition

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Speaker 15: with a probably SURPRISEY what's your dad? But yeah, they

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Speaker 15: need to take heed. I'm not quite sure it's the

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Speaker 15: end of anything. You know, there's not a lot of

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Speaker 15: folks that are going to pack the truck up and

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Speaker 15: connect with China. We have to take China's word for

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Speaker 15: a lot of it. But there has been some reports

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Speaker 15: that say that this deep d sek is is is

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Speaker 15: the real deal. But they say that they only spent

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Speaker 15: five point six million dollars on it when we're spending

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Speaker 15: one hundred million dollars in hours. They say they've done

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Speaker 15: it in a short time frame. All of that stuff

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Speaker 15: is still esoterical. You can't really you know, put your

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Speaker 15: finger on it. But it's something that needs to be considered.

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Speaker 15: And uh, you know, the the amount of money I

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Speaker 15: think that really was getting people worried was, uh the

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Speaker 15: economics spend of all these companies that are getting involved

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Speaker 15: with ay I is that going to change because they

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Speaker 15: don't have to spend as much. I mean, they're still

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Speaker 15: gonna sell a lot and video is gonna sell a

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Speaker 15: lot of chips, but maybe, just maybe the price of

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Speaker 15: them changed today.

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Speaker 3: Hugely significant time for this to be going down as well,

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Speaker 3: because you've got Mata and Microsoft and all that coming

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Speaker 3: out with their they called a furcern right this wake

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Speaker 3: So so will this potentially affect their calculations? Will it

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Speaker 3: affect how they spend their money?

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Speaker 15: It depends on how how how you know, how seriously,

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Speaker 15: how seriously the investors take it. I mean, I think

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Speaker 15: they should take heed. About how how much heed they

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Speaker 15: take that's going to be the real debate. I mean,

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Speaker 15: I just don't see a ton of people backing up

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Speaker 15: and connecting with a Chinese product, especially now that we've

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Speaker 15: got this TikTok debate in this country for a year

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Speaker 15: or two. But I also do know that the we've

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Speaker 15: had some people here look at look at what they

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Speaker 15: put out, and it's the real deal. So however long

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Speaker 15: it's it's going to make it in forever. How much

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Speaker 15: it took them to spend to make it could be

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Speaker 15: up for debate. But there is composition out there, so.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 15: Today and Nvidia had the I think a seventeen percent

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Speaker 15: of Cline, which was the largest one data climb in

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Speaker 15: the history of our stock market. It was a six

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Speaker 15: hundred billion dollar market cap selloff. Okay, that's that's pretty significant. However,

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Speaker 15: if you look at the top ten, and video owns

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Speaker 15: seven of the biggest selloffs, so we're in an environment

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Speaker 15: where things are pretty pretty valuable. Again, I think we

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Speaker 15: were priced to perfection two years ago and Video was

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Speaker 15: up two hundred and thirty nine percent. Last year was

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Speaker 15: up one hundred and seventy one percent. So we shall see.

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Speaker 15: I mean, it's it's been a pretty heavy climb. It's

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Speaker 15: just probably, I think probably is this it needs to

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Speaker 15: be taken seriously. But you don't need to throw the

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Speaker 15: baby out with the bath water. I still think there's

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Speaker 15: there's a ton of growth to be had there. But

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Speaker 15: maybe everybody got a little bit of a wake up

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Speaker 15: call to they think, you know, that there might be

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Speaker 15: some competition.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's come out and said basically, this is a

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Speaker 3: good thing. I mean, and American companies should be looking

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Speaker 3: at this top of innovation and trying to emulate it.

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean, there's nothing wrong with saying that. And

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Speaker 15: I think think that, like I said about you know,

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Speaker 15: TikTok and the Chinese, there's a lot of skepticism in

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Speaker 15: this country about the Chinese and technology, and rightfully so.

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Speaker 15: I mean for years and years and years, this is

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Speaker 15: what he's been elected to do, by the way, because

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Speaker 15: they've been taking a lot of our intellectual property rights

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Speaker 15: to the tune of at least five hundred million dollars

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Speaker 15: a year, maybe a lot more. So there's still a

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Speaker 15: lot of skepticism there, but it does remind everybody that

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Speaker 15: it wasn't a straight shot to the moon.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 15: These companies don't, these stock rices don't grow to the sky.

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Speaker 15: And I think that was a much needed selloup and

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Speaker 15: maybe there should be some more. We are going to

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Speaker 15: have a tech revolution, we are going to have an

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Speaker 15: art official intelligence revolution, but maybe it's just not going

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Speaker 15: to be as expensive as everybody thought. And maybe that

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Speaker 15: means there's a lot more people that come to that party.

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Speaker 3: Well, that does sound like a good thing, Scott, Thank

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Speaker 3: you for that. Scott Shelady, he's a US markets analyst

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Speaker 3: breaking down the big shocks to the tech stocks over

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Speaker 3: in Wall Street today. Just gone twelve minutes after six

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Speaker 3: speaking of Tick. After the break, we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Well to talk about the digital nomads and Brad Olsen.

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Speaker 3: We've asked them to go away and have a look

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Speaker 3: at how many, really, how many digital nomads exist in

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Speaker 3: the world. Can you quantify it? How much are they worth?

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Speaker 3: And is I mean, obviously you would make the change

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand if you thought something was going to

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Speaker 3: be gained from it, But exactly how much is going

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Speaker 3: to be gained from it? Is it worth the effort?

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Speaker 3: I guess is the question? Brad Olsen.

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Speaker 4: Next, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither due for Celan with the Business Hour and

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Speaker 1: MAS insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your future

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Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Quarter past six on news Talks. There'd be lots of

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Speaker 3: great texts here from earlier in the show. We were

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Speaker 3: talking about the bus lanes and the cameras that ping

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Speaker 3: you if you drive in a bus lane. Lots of

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Speaker 3: good feedback and text on that. We'll get to it

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Speaker 3: before the end of the show at seven. Right now,

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Speaker 3: the government's hopeful that digital nomads will soon flood into

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Speaker 3: the country and help grow our economy, but the Finance

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Speaker 3: Minister Willis last night couldn't say how many we can

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Speaker 3: realistically expect here, brad Olsen is Infametric's principal economist Brad

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Speaker 3: good Evening. Good Evening, do we have any idea how

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Speaker 3: big this market is?

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Speaker 26: Look, it is pretty tricky to pin it down. There

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Speaker 26: are some global estimates that suggest you could be talking

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Speaker 26: in the range of sort of thirty five to forty

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Speaker 26: million digital nomads, and perhaps around I've seen some estimates

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Speaker 26: of around sort of seventeen million American digital nomads, and

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Speaker 26: that's probably the groups that we're targeting a little bit more,

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Speaker 26: because that's certainly the area where there's a bit more money.

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Speaker 26: We've already been seeing some very strong inflows of American

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Speaker 26: tourists into New Zealand since the end of sort of

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Speaker 26: pandemic restriction, so that certainly seems to be an area

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Speaker 26: of focus. However, with all of those numbers, I can't

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Speaker 26: tell you how many we might expect would actually come

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Speaker 26: to New Zealand. And that of course is still a

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Speaker 26: pretty important number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Basically, it's too hard to quantify, isn't it. And

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Speaker 3: and I guess the other thing is don't they normally

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Speaker 3: go to countries that would have a cheaper cost of living,

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Speaker 3: like a Bali or Southeast Asia somewhere like that, or

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Speaker 3: do you have different demographics within that COVI.

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Speaker 26: I think you could probably have both. I mean, in

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Speaker 26: broad terms looking at this, I'm not sure that we

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Speaker 26: can lose a lot from this policy in general. You know,

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Speaker 26: it might not be huge, but we're just sort of

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Speaker 26: not sure. But at the very least, if it's supporting

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Speaker 26: more people coming into the country and generally a lot

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Speaker 26: of these digital nomads, if they're able to think about

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Speaker 26: working overseas, they are, a lot of demographics suggest they

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Speaker 26: are often in sort of higher pay brackets that do

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Speaker 26: have a bit more money to spend. And I think

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Speaker 26: there's sort of probably two groups here. The first group

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Speaker 26: is those who are, let's be clear, probably already doing

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Speaker 26: it without knowing that perhaps they shouldn't, and so we're

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Speaker 26: now enabling them to continue doing so that's great. We've also,

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Speaker 26: i think, put a bit more of a spotlight on

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Speaker 26: the opportunity to come to New Zealand. You look at them.

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Speaker 26: Over the last twenty four hours since the announcement has

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Speaker 26: come out, there's been a lot more talk. There's been

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Speaker 26: you know, articles published I think in the New York time,

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Speaker 26: some of it coming across from the UK. So this

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Speaker 26: is probably a little bit less for the New Zealand

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Speaker 26: audience more for the global audience, going, Hey, look, New

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Speaker 26: Zealand is very very openly trying to court people to

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Speaker 26: come here, and if people were already thinking of coming

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Speaker 26: for a trip to New Zealand, this now might sort

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Speaker 26: of put us on the map a bit more. You're

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Speaker 26: right that in some areas, some other digital nomad visas

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Speaker 26: do often provide a longer time period or have cheaper

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Speaker 26: cost of living in similar I think this is more

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Speaker 26: trying to add on top of or convince people who

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Speaker 26: already perhaps thinking of a New Zealand trip to definitely

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Speaker 26: do that, or perhaps to come longer and therefore spend

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Speaker 26: more money.

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Speaker 3: In the country.

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Speaker 26: So I'm not sure if there's any real downsides this

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Speaker 26: policy in the short term.

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Speaker 3: Interesting all right, well, I mean if there's no real downsides,

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Speaker 3: I guess why not do it? That's probably the ethos

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Speaker 3: that's running through the beehive at the moment. Brad Thank

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Speaker 3: you for that, brad Elson Infmetrics Principal Economists. Eighteen minutes

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Speaker 3: up to six Are there any digital nomads listening to

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 3: this show at the moment? Nine to number two? Did

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01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 3: you come here knowing that you were going to be

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01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 3: a digital NOMA. W did you know you're breaking the

1515
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 3: laws right now potentially by being here and doing it?

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 3: And nineteen ninety two is the number of text I

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01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:12,799
Speaker 3: want to leave some time with Jamie McKay. He's next.

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01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 3: I want his views on whether New Zealand's government should

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01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:17,959
Speaker 3: own land.

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Speaker 1: Corps than encroaching the numbers and getting the results. It's

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01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour on News Talks V.

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01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 3: Six't twenty one. Great to have your company tonight, Jamie

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01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 3: McKay from the Countries with us, Jamie Will the government

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01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 3: looked to put land Corp up on the chopping block.

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01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 3: I mean, well, I guess this is the question. Is

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01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 3: the government going to look at selling land Corp? And

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01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 3: if they do, is that a good idea? How will

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01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 3: that go down with farmers? Jamie gid a gid A, Ryan,

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01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 3: thanks for being with me. So land Corp. It's one

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01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 3: of the ones they're talking about putting it on the

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01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 3: chopping block. What do you reckon? Good idea, bad idea?

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Speaker 12: Well, it depends whether you're into selling state assets. I

1533
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 12: guess if you, Brian, if you are going to one,

1534
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 12: you would have to think seriously about selling the nation's farm.

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01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 12: It's not performing very well at all, and it's worth

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01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 12: quite a bit of money. I had a guy on

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01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 12: the show today on my show The Country called Will Wilson.

1538
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 12: He's a long standing agricultural consultant. He takes he's involved

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01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,799
Speaker 12: in several high profile governance roles in the primary sector.

1540
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 12: And he was doing the sums on the performance of

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01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 12: all of our leading ag companies and he was almost

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01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 12: quite scathing about Pamu. The artist formerly known as land

1543
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 12: Corpy said, looks, it's got poor business strategy, poor governance

1544
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 12: and management and it's a poor performing company. But the

1545
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 12: kicker is ryan if you take its assets less its liabilities,

1546
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 12: it's still worth about one point six billion dollars. We

1547
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 12: could do a lot with that. And the other interesting

1548
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 12: thing is it's worth about, according to Will anyhow, about

1549
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty billion less than it was a

1550
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 12: year ago. So maybe we're throwing good money after bad

1551
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 12: with Palmu. But if we sell it, who do we

1552
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 12: sell it too? It's a huge farm, It's New Zealand's

1553
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 12: biggers farm. Would it flood the rural market? And then

1554
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 12: it plays other roles in agriculture as well, such as

1555
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 12: research on behalf of the wider agricultural industry and also

1556
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 12: training young people onto the land. So it's a bit

1557
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 12: of a vexed question, but you would have to say,

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01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 12: as it stands at the moment, it ain't a great investment.

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01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 3: No, and it's I think it's sort of top of

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01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 3: the list for the government when you know, because farmers

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01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: run their farms much better than whe then the government

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01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 3: runs its farm, right, so why not let them have it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Well, and there's also an argument because in the old

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01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 12: days Land Corp used to be lands and surveys and

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01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 12: they would they would have ballot blocks and they would

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01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 12: put young farmers in and produce the or increase the

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01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 12: productivity of the country. There is argument that maybe Land

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01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 12: Corp should become a bank and for instance, with its

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01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 12: dairy farms, and they've got some lovely dairy farms, put

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01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 12: fifty to fifty share milkers in there them some skin

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01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 12: in the game and raally start to generate some money.

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01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 12: But it would be fair to say that financially the

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01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 12: performance of Land Corp hasn't been that flash. Last year Ryan,

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01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 12: they lost off the top of my head something like

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01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 12: twenty six million dollars. Yes, it were ye had twenty

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01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 12: six million dollars and when you consider that they got

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01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 12: thirty eight million from a windfall or windfalls from carbon credits.

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01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 12: Putting that aside, the actual meat and taties of the

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Speaker 12: farming business ain't going that well.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about something that is going well. Then dairy

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01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 3: price is off to a very strong start, the Global

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01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 3: Dairy Trade Action. The first two of them for the end.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well, the first one was down and the second

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01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 12: one was up, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, it was down one point four, then

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01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 3: up one point four.

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Speaker 12: Well yeah, and that sort of equalized one another out there.

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01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 12: But the big one was in the last one, Ryan

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01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 12: one point four was GDT across the board. But the

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01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 12: really important one we have a look at is whole

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01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 12: milk powder prices. They went up five percent and this

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01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 12: is the highest price on the platform since June twenty

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01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 12: twenty two. And this has I guess convinced ASB they've

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01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 12: led the charge. They're saying that their milk futures or

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01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 12: the future milk price forecast price for this season, they're

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01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 12: saying ten dollars twenty five. Remembering that everyone else in

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01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 12: the market, including Fonterra is pretty much ten bucks ten

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01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 12: dollars twenty five would obviously be a record price, maybe

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01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 12: not an inflation adjusted terms, but a very good one

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01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 12: for all that. Now they're chief economist, a guy by

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01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 12: the name of Chris Tennant Brown. You would have seen

1603
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 12: him on the tally. He's saying, look, this isn't a dunedale.

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01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 12: This four months left in the season, prices could still move.

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01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 12: The season to date is up production wise three point

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01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 12: seven percent, but we'll well pass the midpoint of the

1607
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 12: Bell curve in terms of production. Typically only about a

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01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 12: third of the production comes from here on, and so

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01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 12: a lot of that productction and sales have been locked in.

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01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 12: But there are a few other things to consider. Newer's

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01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 12: soil moisture deficit charts have been showing a lot of

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01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 12: the country could do with the drink. We've also got

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01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 12: the exchange rate. Goodness knows what happens there with Donald

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01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 12: Trump in charge. And we've also got a couple of

1615
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 12: other issues in Europe which has forced them back into

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01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 12: the market. A weave it the threat of foot and

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01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,679
Speaker 12: mouth in Germany and the ongoing presence of blue tongue virus.

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01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 12: There's a lot of things that play here, Ryan, But

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01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 12: generally in terms of New Zealand industries, New Zealand, the

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01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 12: New Zealand airy industries is looking as good as anything.

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01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 3: And thank goodness we've got them. Gosh, don't we need

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01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 3: a bit of that at the moment. Jamie, thank you

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01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 3: very much.

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01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 12: Cheers Ryan, always good the chat.

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01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 3: Cheers. It's Jamie McKay from the country. Twenty seven minutes

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01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 3: after six, you're on news talks. He'd be Look, this

1627
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 3: is not a long story. It's a short one, but

1628
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 3: it's just I felt sorry for this man because obviously,

1629
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: when you look at politics from New Zealand and you

1630
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 3: see bureaucrats doing silly things, you get angry and you

1631
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 3: actually get upset. Whereas we and you look at it

1632
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 3: from a different country, you don't really care. Is it

1633
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 3: have one step removed? There is the Swedish National Security Advisor.

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01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 3: So this is the guy with the highest security clearance

1635
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 3: in Sweden, and he was apparently a friend of the

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01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 3: Prime Minister's and that's why he was appointed. Anyway, his

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01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 3: name's Henrik Landerholm. I'm one of those people that is

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01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 3: very forgetful. I forget my phone, I forget my keys.

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01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 3: I'm always misplacing things anyway, It's not if you're a

1640
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 3: forgetful person, you shouldn't be the national security advisor. He's

1641
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 3: just lost his job because he lost his secret documents

1642
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 3: at a hotel room. Who just left them in there? Anyway?

1643
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 3: That got out to the media. Left his phone at

1644
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 3: the Hungarian embassy, you know, with a lot of secrets

1645
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,719
Speaker 3: on it, and left his notebook at a radio interview.

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01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 3: So there you go. That is not the kind of

1647
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 3: guy you want running your national security agencies. And he

1648
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 3: no longer is NEWSTALKSB.

1649
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 4: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

1650
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: It's small on the business hours with Ryan Bridge called Newstalks.

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01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 3: Twenty five Good Evening twenty five away from seven on NEWSTALKSIDB.

1652
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 3: There's a booking dot com survey being done. They look

1653
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,520
Speaker 3: at the reviews that people have done on different accommodations

1654
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 3: that they've got all around the world, and they come

1655
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 3: up with a list of the most welcoming cities. Now,

1656
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 3: how you determine a most welcoming city? I'm a little

1657
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 3: dubious anyway, where on the weld Topua is on the list.

1658
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 3: So there's a beautiful little place in the heart of

1659
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 3: Sri Lanka's cultural triangle in the place called Sigeria in

1660
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 3: Sri Lanka that's on the list. There is a picturesque

1661
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 3: town in the south of Spain called Ghazola that's on

1662
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 3: the list. Chester in the northwest of England is on

1663
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 3: the list, and then Tampo, New Zealand is on the list.

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01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to scoff it because Topol is

1665
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 3: a beautiful place and it's surrounded by such natural beauty.

1666
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 3: But I think we forget about that, don't we when

1667
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 3: we live here and we just go, oh, that's Taupo.

1668
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 3: We drive through it to get to Wellington, do you

1669
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:15,440
Speaker 3: know what I mean? But actually it is a world class, fantastic,

1670
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 3: beautiful place to go and visit. But I just wonder

1671
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 3: about this particular survey. So it's what they've done is

1672
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 3: ranked the reviews from people's accommodation offerings. So most of

1673
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 3: the accommodations like the one that they've mentioned for Topul,

1674
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 3: and congratulations to them. Acasia Cliffs Lodge has been given

1675
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 3: a name check by Booking dot Com in their list.

1676
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 3: But most of these accommodations are five star. There's nothing

1677
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 3: wrong with that, and well done to everyone who's on

1678
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 3: the list, But aren't all five star hotels kind of welcoming,

1679
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 3: you know, like if you pay enough money, people will

1680
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 3: smile at you. You know what I mean? Is this

1681
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just wondering if this is a

1682
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 3: really legit thing. I would like to see the most

1683
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 3: welcoming motel sixes in the world, you know, or like,

1684
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 3: or just the most welcoming roadside motels maybe, and then

1685
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,560
Speaker 3: I would have perhaps pay a little more interest. Congratulations

1686
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 3: to those who are on the listen good on your

1687
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: topo for getting on their twenty three away from seven

1688
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 3: Brian Bridge. Working people are concerned about insecurity and work

1689
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 3: housing health. This according to the latest Mood of the

1690
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 3: Workforce survey. This is the CTU, the Council of Trade Unions.

1691
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,919
Speaker 3: They've pold nineteen hundred of their own members in response

1692
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: to the heralds Mood of the Boardroom survey that looks

1693
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 3: to talk to CEOs. Respondents were in support of a

1694
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 3: capital gains tax, no surprise, they are, I suppose for

1695
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 3: unions and they were concerned with the direction the government

1696
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 3: is taking us in. The CTU President Richard Wagstaff is

1697
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 3: with me. Good evening, good evening, Ryan, anything surprised you

1698
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 3: about this these results?

1699
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 9: I think what was surprising was just how much people

1700
01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 9: have shifted in the last twelve months. This has done

1701
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 9: every year at the beginning of the year, and you know,

1702
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 9: we know it's been pretty hard for working people for

1703
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 9: quite some time now with the cost of living crisis

1704
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 9: and other issues, rent and so forth. And a year ago,

1705
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 9: of course that experienced a month of this government, and

1706
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 9: now they've experienced just over a year of this government.

1707
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 9: And while there was not a lot of optimism given

1708
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 9: the changes to the fair pay agreements, ninety day trials

1709
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 9: and you know, saying it's going to be tough, what

1710
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 9: you see coming through this curve is much more an

1711
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 9: experience of being unemployed or being insecure in terms of

1712
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 9: your not just your job, but your housing and your health.

1713
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 9: As you said in the introduction, so.

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01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 3: Does this include people who've lost their jobs? Because would

1715
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 3: you You wouldn't be a member anymore, would you if

1716
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 3: you lost your job?

1717
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 9: This is a survey taken from our database. Just as

1718
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 9: you say, mood of the boardroom and business confidence. These

1719
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 9: are basically people who are on our database, so many

1720
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 9: of them may have had a job earlier, but they

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Speaker 9: no longer have. What's also come through it, of course,

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01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 9: is people who have remained at work are talking their

1723
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 9: jobs getting bigger because there's fewer people to do them,

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Speaker 9: and also being leaft there when they've had colleagues who

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Speaker 9: have left. And here some of the respondents have been

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Speaker 9: pretty difficult to read because I've talked about that sense

1727
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 9: of not wanting to sort of raise his shoes or

1728
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 9: raisor shoes either at work or in their accommodation because

1729
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 9: they feel so insecure and they know that there's there

1730
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 9: there's plenty of people out there who want their job

1731
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 9: or their house if they aren't put to hit up.

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Speaker 13: It's tough.

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Speaker 9: It's a vulnerable position.

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Speaker 3: And interestingly, Winston Peters did quite well in this survey.

1735
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Speaker 9: Well he did relative the last time, that's right. He

1736
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 9: came up a bit but which was interesting to see.

1737
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Speaker 9: But unfortunately for the government, nor that the Prime Minister,

1738
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 9: the Minister of Growth or Finance, nor the Minister of

1739
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 9: Workplaced Relations or the leader of the party did very

1740
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 9: well at all. They were hammered really the vast majority

1741
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 9: of people thinking they're not doing a good job. And

1742
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 9: I think you know what came through is the sense

1743
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 9: of they're not working for us. They seem to be

1744
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 9: accommodating and interests of big business, of lobbyists, of tobacco companies,

1745
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 9: of you know, doing tax reform for people who aren't us,

1746
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 9: and what about us. We're working people and we need

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01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 9: a better we need a better a fair system here,

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Speaker 9: and we're not getting it.

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Speaker 3: Is there disappointment in labor for the you know, first

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Speaker 3: of all, what they did to the economy to get

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Speaker 3: us here in the first place, but also their move

1752
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 3: away from workers towards I didn't even know what they

1753
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 3: became towards the end there, but there was a sense

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01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: that they had a kind of lost touch with the worker.

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Speaker 9: Well that this survey is about, you know, how people

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01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 9: are feeling right now with the current government. I think

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01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 9: that this survey is a wake up call for all politicians.

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01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,799
Speaker 9: Working people think their bread and butter issues are important.

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01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 9: They want good jobs, they want employment security, they want

1760
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 9: a future, and really we agree strongly with them, of course,

1761
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 9: the Trade Union Council council trade unions, but we want

1762
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 9: to see that too. We want to see political parties

1763
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 9: owning the problems of working people and understanding that they

1764
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 9: are very crucial in terms of the future of this

1765
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 9: country and they need to be they need to be understood.

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01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 9: And you know, in security is not good for anybody.

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01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 9: We need people to be confident about the future and

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Speaker 9: investing in it, not leaving town or leaving country for

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01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:07,839
Speaker 9: greener pastures.

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Speaker 3: Richard, thank you for that. Richard Wagstaff, the Council of

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01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 3: Trained Union's president, with us on the mood of the workforce,

1772
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 3: which was set up to as a kind of counter

1773
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Speaker 3: to the mood of the boardroom from the Herald just

1774
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 3: gone nineteen minutes away from seven. Lots of your feedback

1775
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 3: coming in. Hey, Richard, I'm an employee and I've paid

1776
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 3: my employees regularly throughout the recession. But times are tough,

1777
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 3: so I haven't paid myself. So I sympathize with your members,

1778
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 3: But how about you sympathize with us? Interesting, isn't it.

1779
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 3: Lots of feedback coming in on the views of workers

1780
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 3: and unions. We'll get some of that run after this

1781
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 3: eighteen to seven.

1782
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates of the Business

1783
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: Hour with Ryan Bridge on News Talks EDB.

1784
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 3: It is quarter to seven News Talks EDB. Lots of

1785
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 3: your texts coming in saying that the CTU is aligned

1786
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 3: with the Labor Party, and that's douve that we just

1787
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 3: spoke about was done of their members, and we did

1788
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 3: mention that at the top of the interview. Actually, but

1789
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 3: I still think it's interesting to hear, you know, because

1790
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 3: one of the things that I do worry about. You know,

1791
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is in power in the United States and

1792
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 3: he's being Donald Trump. Remember last time that happened, how

1793
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 3: the world reacted to that. I mean, it almost gave

1794
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 3: rise to the international star. That was just Cinda ra Dun.

1795
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 3: She was like the antidote to Donald Trump. And things

1796
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 3: swing too far one way and then they swing too

1797
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 3: far the other way, and depending on which side of

1798
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 3: the political divide you sit, you won't like one of

1799
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 3: those reactions, right. So I do think it's important that

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01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 3: no matter how far in your direction the world might

1801
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 3: be heading, we still take time to listen to the

1802
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 3: other side. I mean, crazy as it may sound, such

1803
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,600
Speaker 3: a novel idea, but maybe we have an air for

1804
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 3: the other side too. Ninetien nine TiO was the number

1805
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 3: to text, and I'll get to some of you. I

1806
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 3: promised I would, But before the end of the show

1807
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 3: some of you will Speed camera and Baslaine camera stories,

1808
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 3: because they're quite good. Right now though, we're going to

1809
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 3: our UK correspondent in the Brady who's with us in

1810
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 3: the good evening.

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Speaker 13: Hey, Ryan, good to speak to you again, Great.

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01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 3: To speak to you. Charles has made history with his

1813
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 3: Auschwitz visit.

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01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 13: Yes he has. He has been a longstanding friend of

1815
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 13: the Jewish community, not just in the UK but worldwide,

1816
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 13: and he has always attended Holocaust events in London. He

1817
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 13: has forged long friendships from many many years with survivors

1818
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 13: and the opportunity came to be in Auschwitz on the

1819
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 13: Atheist anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz, and the King

1820
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 13: took it. So he went and he visited, and very

1821
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 13: very solemn visits of course, and he did his speech

1822
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,759
Speaker 13: and he just he was quite moved to tears actually,

1823
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 13: so his picture is all over the front pages here today.

1824
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 13: But this is something that Charles is very passionate about,

1825
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,639
Speaker 13: preaching about anti Semitism and just the dangers of where

1826
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 13: the world is heading at the moment, with so much

1827
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 13: hatred everywhere online and in person, and Charles just felt

1828
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 13: that was the right thing to do. So while he

1829
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 13: was in Auschwitz. William and cap were actually in London

1830
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 13: with Holocaust survivors from based in the UK at a

1831
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 13: memorial event here as well. So quite a powerful display

1832
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 13: of solidarity really from the royal family.

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01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 3: It sounds like it just stop oil, I mean just

1834
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 3: stop through period, but just top oil. The protesters are

1835
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 3: backheaded in London. What are they doing now in that so.

1836
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 13: Would you believe it? Sigourney Weaver is here, world class talent,

1837
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 13: and she has wanted to perform The Tempest to play

1838
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 13: for a very long time, and last night was her opportunity.

1839
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 13: And there is a line in the play apparently that

1840
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 13: says come forth. She uttered that and right on que

1841
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 13: stepped forward out of the out up onto the stage,

1842
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 13: which she hadn't planned or taught about, or didn't even

1843
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 13: know was going to happen. Come forth. Indeed, two protesters

1844
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 13: from just Stop Oil. So they unfurled a banner, they

1845
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 13: gave a speech, and then they were very quickly bundled off.

1846
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 13: Sigourney Weaver was immediately a move from the stage and

1847
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 13: the play was paused and the audience some people cheered

1848
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 13: and a lot of people booed. They were bundled out

1849
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 13: and they released statements online saying that one of them

1850
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 13: is a university lecturer from Nottingham and she says that

1851
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 13: she just simply can't stand by anymore while the world

1852
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 13: burns and leaders do nothing. But there you go, they

1853
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 13: got their publicity. But yeah, last night in that theater, I.

1854
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 3: Just find you know, I don't have a problem with

1855
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 3: those causes. I just find that the at arrogance of

1856
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 3: them insufferable. You know who people paid good money to

1857
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 3: go and say, Sigourney, we would come to London do

1858
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 3: the tempest. And for them to think they can just

1859
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 3: get up there and interrupt the show and have this say,

1860
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 3: I just think it's so arrogant. Anyway.

1861
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 13: Yeah, what I was shocked about Ryan, to be honest,

1862
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 13: was last year when they started blocking roads in London

1863
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 13: and ambulances were held up.

1864
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 3: That was I thought that was really poor. Yeah. How

1865
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:18,520
Speaker 3: the Energy Secretary in the UK is hiring a staff photographer,

1866
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 3: which is raising eyebrows. Why is it?

1867
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 13: Well, the salary is eighty two thousand dollars a year

1868
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 13: to be a vanasy photographer. So this was a trend

1869
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 13: started in the Boris Johnson years.

1870
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Speaker 9: You won't be.

1871
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 13: Surprised to hear other politicians have decided the taxpayer's cash

1872
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 13: is there to be used for this. Now, Ed Milliband,

1873
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 13: he is Energy Secretary in the UK government, so he

1874
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 13: sits in cabinet. Now it's interesting that he wants his

1875
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 13: own vanity photographer to make every trip look amazing because

1876
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 13: ten years ago, when he was Labor leader himself, he

1877
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 13: was on the campaign trail and you may or may

1878
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 13: not remember this, he famously ate a bacon sandwich and

1879
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 13: he was really struggling with it. Photographer got the picture

1880
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,559
Speaker 13: and the tabloid newspaper putting on the front page the

1881
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 13: next day saying save our bacon, and they basically said

1882
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 13: that you know, this guy can't eat a bacon sandwich.

1883
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 13: If you can't manage his lunch, how's he going to

1884
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 13: manage a country. And the picture, the face he was making,

1885
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 13: they compared him to Wallace from Wallace and Grummus back then.

1886
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 13: So now he wants his own vanity photographer to make

1887
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 13: sure that every picture just makes him look you out,

1888
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:25,719
Speaker 13: like he's some Instagram model.

1889
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 3: But there we are a lot of vibrows.

1890
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 13: Raised eighty two thousand dollars of taxpayers cash, So pretty

1891
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 13: nice gig for a photographer.

1892
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 3: Have you converted that into New Zealand dollars for us?

1893
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 3: You know what are you talking about?

1894
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 4: Yes?

1895
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,679
Speaker 13: I have no, yeah, no, no, that's Enzen dollars eighty

1896
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 13: two k in zat Yeah.

1897
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Speaker 3: Goodness me all right, thanks very much to that. Great

1898
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:47,520
Speaker 3: to talk. As always in the Bradys a UK Correspondent,

1899
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 3: it's ten to seven news Talks. It'd be whether it's.

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Speaker 4: Micro microbe or just playing economics. It's all on the Business.

1901
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: Hour with hither duplicy Ellen and as Insurance ended its

1902
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: screw your wealth to protect your future News.

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01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 4: Talks v.

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Speaker 3: It is seven to seven News TALKSVB. In Wellington. This

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01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 3: is now the Wellington Regional Hospital in Newtown. For those

1906
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 3: who know it, there's a new camera in town and

1907
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 3: it's getting you nabbing you if you go on the

1908
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 3: new bus lane. They've managed to raise two hundred and

1909
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars in the space of a month. Fifteen

1910
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 3: hundred people have been nabbed. I personally don't believe that

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01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 3: those fifteen hundred people did that on purpose, because it's

1912
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty dollars five that's a lot of money.

1913
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 3: No one wants to pay it. The problem, in my

1914
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 3: mind is is the signage. The signage is either too small,

1915
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 3: poorly placed, or just confusing. Confusing people and a lot

1916
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 3: of you have been texting in with your stories about

1917
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 3: bus lanes and the cameras, et cetera. Rind, my car

1918
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 3: broke down in a bus lane. Poor you all Contraantsport

1919
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 3: charged me one hundred and fifty dollars on it as

1920
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 3: an infringement and I have to threaten to take to

1921
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 3: court before they would back down and cancel it. Well,

1922
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,600
Speaker 3: you shouldn't have to threaten people to take people to

1923
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 3: court for something like that to happen. Surely you just

1924
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 3: show them your mechanic bill and it's all done with. Ryan.

1925
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 3: Try the speed camera on Hillsborough Road. This is in Auckland.

1926
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 3: I've picked up more than one thousand dollars in fines

1927
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 3: in the last six months. I think it's faulty. Ryan,

1928
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 3: you're very right. What about the trap that is Queen

1929
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 3: Street where you're just one block, For just one block,

1930
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 3: you can't drive down at millions of signs, but only

1931
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 3: as you enter the block do they tell you the

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Speaker 3: time limits. By that time it's too late. It's entrapment

1933
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Speaker 3: and revenue raising. I agree with that they are trapping us.

1934
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 3: They are essentially holding us hostage in our own vehicles,

1935
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 3: and then they have the audacity to turn around and

1936
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 3: charge us for the privilege they send you. They send

1937
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 3: you a fine in the mail. I mean it's infuriating. Anyway.

1938
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 3: Five to seven News Talk said b cry and Bridge,

1939
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 3: and so what are we going out to? Have you

1940
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 3: ever had one of those bus lane fines?

1941
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Speaker 18: And I'm the wrong person to ask, Grime because I'm

1942
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 18: the one on the bus. So I'm just sitting out there.

1943
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 18: I'm like, get out of my bus lane.

1944
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 2: I'm late for work. This sucks.

1945
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Speaker 3: You're the problem. No, you're the problem. Well argue it, tho.

1946
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Speaker 18: I was gonna say. The only one I can speak

1947
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Speaker 18: of first time experience is those signs on Queen Street,

1948
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 18: and those ones are very confusing. They are Toto Africa

1949
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 18: is a playoffs out tonight, Toto are coming to New Zealand.

1950
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Speaker 18: They're going to be playing three shows here in April.

1951
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 18: There'll be one in Auckland at Spark Arena on April

1952
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Speaker 18: the twenty third, then one in Wellington the tesp Arena

1953
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 18: the next day, and then on the April the twenty sixth,

1954
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Speaker 18: there'll be a show in christ Church.

1955
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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Take you out to Toto. Thanks for listening everyone,

1956
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Speaker 3: Thanks for all of your feedback, see you tomorrows.

1957
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Speaker 15: Down in the Beg, I'm just.

1958
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Speaker 22: Gray down in that. I just prays down in end God.

1959
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Speaker 22: I just prays down Inta takes the time to do

1960
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Speaker 22: the things you never.

1961
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1962
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