1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Now looks like Stephen Joyce, the former National Party minister, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: is set to be the new chair of enz Me, 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: which is the company that owns Newstalk zb. He's been 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: nominated as a compromise to settle a month's long boardroom 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: stash that's been going on. Duncan Greeb is the founder 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: of the spin off as a media commentator and with us. Now, Hey, Duncan, Heather, 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: does it look too like a done deal? 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: I would never say this saga as long as it's 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: run as a dune deal. But it looks like a 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: really smart, adroit bit of maneuvering that should be a 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: done deal. Why Well, because I guess as a compromise candidate, 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: it would be very hard for the insurgents Grennan and 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: Balka and those kind of shareholders who've been grumpy about 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: the you know, the sort of both the governance and 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: particularly the journalism of ended ME to kind of have 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: an issue with Joyce given his background both politically but 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: also in media, but also he's such a known quantity 18 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: to New Zealand through his role in the previous national government, 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: which is a much more popular one than the current one, 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: and so you know it just looks like if you're 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: going to pick anyone out of this country to kind 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: of tie a bow on this thing away, that maybe 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: it's not what everyone wanted, but everyone can live with it. 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: Joyce would be your guy. 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you could do worse, couldn't you? Because I 26 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: mean the man knows radio. 27 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: Through and through, he really does. I know, he was 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 2: basically the architect of what became media works and did 29 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: that from the ground up, so really really sharp visionary, 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: really media mind. But also I think because he was 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: part of the sort of kitchen cabinet of that government 32 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: for so long, understands the relationship between politics and media, 33 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: which is so central to this dispute and where you 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: have to hold and where you have to give. You know, 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: I think there's a sort of an underlying pragmatism to 36 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: the key government that should be you know, acceptable to everyone. 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: Because the big fear that people had was that that 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: Grennan's people were going to kind of push it beyond 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: what you know, has to be a broad mainstream brand. 40 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: They're going to push it beyond what was acceptable to that. 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: So Chris Hopkins has said today it will draw into 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: question their editorial stance. If Stephen Joyce was to become 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: the chair. Do you think it will? 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: I think that's a bit of a fascical comment, just 45 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: given the sort of history of political appointees to boards, 46 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: you know all. You know, obviously media is a specific thing, 47 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: but but you know, there is so much of you know, 48 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 2: whether it's government boards or the sort of post politics 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: life or politicians where are political elements that they have 50 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: to navigate far more complex scenarios than this, So you know, 51 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like a particularly plausible statement. 52 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so either. Hey, Duncan, it's good 53 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: to talk to you. 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