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Speaker 1: Monday morning, Prime Minister Crystoper Luxe and Joints. Very good

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Speaker 1: morning to you. What a get to be with you.

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Speaker 1: You were at the rugby and that was where Scott

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Speaker 1: Robinson on before. But that was a thing, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It was?

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Speaker 1: It was a moment good.

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Speaker 2: Proper test match, wasn't it. And I had the great

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Speaker 2: privilege of meeting the all blacks in their change rooms afterwards,

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Speaker 2: and man, some of them have been what do.

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Speaker 1: You say to them in that because they didn't you know,

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Speaker 1: they look at you. Some will love you, some will

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Speaker 1: hate you. So you can confirm that all all blacks no,

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Speaker 1: love you.

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Speaker 2: No, but they're all very good. I mean it's actually

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Speaker 2: just you just you know, I'm always very interested in

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Speaker 2: what do they do with their process, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: like they're going into ice spars and they're going into

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Speaker 2: spas after treatments and you know, they're big guys and

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Speaker 2: they do a lot of conditioning, a lot of you know,

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Speaker 2: and they all say, you know, they feel like they've

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Speaker 2: been in a car crash the day after.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a tough game. Did you raise your

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Speaker 1: niggle with them? No?

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: What's your name?

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Speaker 2: My god, you're doing this if I can't believe it, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean I was sitting there watching the All Black game. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I've got to tell everyone now because you're just going

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Speaker 2: to embarrass me in front of the country, as you

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Speaker 2: tend to do. And I basically got out of my seat,

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Speaker 2: twisted to go down onto the onto the paddock and

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Speaker 2: then into the change rooms. And as I came out

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Speaker 2: of the seat, twisted and tweak my knee a little

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Speaker 2: bit done, you know, but you feel a real when

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Speaker 2: you're sharp in the all black change room. And these

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Speaker 2: guys have been smashed up and done a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just sort of trying to pretend not to hobble.

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Speaker 1: Did you did you Limpen?

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Speaker 2: No? No, I didn't. I really really toughened up, and

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Speaker 2: I really.

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Speaker 1: Well, they test will be. You're doing a postcab meeting

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Speaker 1: precidate today, so that it's quite a walk. It's quite

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Speaker 1: a walk, hasn't it down down the stairs? They could

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Speaker 1: be an old managery the by election. The fact that

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Speaker 1: nobody turned out has got to be of great concern

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Speaker 1: to us all, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well it surprised me completely because I thought labor would

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Speaker 2: trounced to Party Mara and they got killed, you know,

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Speaker 2: two to one, and basically they got three thousand votes

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Speaker 2: out of what sixty five thousand potential voters in that seat.

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Speaker 2: So surprised me a bit. I thought, maybe, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, they haven't

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Speaker 2: had any policies. They've just been criticizing, but haven't actually

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Speaker 2: sorry for Penny Henriway because you know, Hipkins wasn't even

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Speaker 2: in the party on Saturday night. They're supporting his team. No,

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Speaker 2: but but regardless, it was a real shock, Actually, do

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Speaker 2: we have a participation issue in this guy? I mean,

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Speaker 2: you can dismiss it to an extent it was a

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Speaker 2: I don't know why that was such a low turnout

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Speaker 2: it's got probably sixty five thousand potential voters. It'll be

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Speaker 2: similar to the general electorate sort of composition of voting,

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Speaker 2: and with all that machinery, and you know, the two

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Speaker 2: you notice in local government, you know we've had probably

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Speaker 2: what thirty five forty percent voter turnout. As I keep saying,

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Speaker 2: you demockty is pretty precious thing, and if you don't

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Speaker 2: show up to sort of vote for it, you can't

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Speaker 2: get what you've deserved.

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Speaker 1: Keyan Clark in China last week, you are the ex

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Speaker 1: Prime minister and you were invited to a similar thing.

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Speaker 1: Did you go?

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Speaker 2: No? Personally, I wouldn't know. I think why, Well, I

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Speaker 2: to be involved in that. Would it be my personal call?

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Speaker 1: Did the China thing have anything or would the China

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Speaker 1: thing have anything to do with it? I thought they may.

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Speaker 1: I thought they both made a mistake. They shouldn't have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I mean I think those are decisions for

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Speaker 2: if i'd been invited, I wouldn't have gone.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Paris, did you watch Peter speech yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, it was moderately entertaining. Yeah, it went for

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Speaker 1: over an hour. He wants out of Paris. Seyma wants

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Speaker 2: How do you handle that, well, I mean the government,

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Speaker 2: party positions going forward, let's see where they get to.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the coalition government has made the correct

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Speaker 2: now recently the US is the only four countries that

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Speaker 2: to our farmers and it's going to make all New

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Speaker 2: They'd like nothing more than that to happen. So we

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Speaker 2: ain't going to punish the farmers and we ain't going

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Speaker 1: But equally, if it wasn't for the farmers because your

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Speaker 1: But as an exercise in saving the planet, it's not working.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's just a statement of fact, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean we are doing we are prioritizing economic

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Speaker 2: We can. If you look at farming, for example, our

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Speaker 1: So do you still believe in twenty fifty you still

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Speaker 2: Look at our if you look at our plans at

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Speaker 2: what people haven't understood is the agriculture part of it.

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Speaker 2: You know, they have really been adopting technology, innovation, and

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Speaker 2: You know, it won't be difficult for agriculture to deal

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Speaker 1: Okay, the a WUS it wasn't this time last week,

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Speaker 1: but it was it was tomorrow last week. The a

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Speaker 1: the media against you? Oh that story was? That story

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Speaker 1: turned weird for reasons I couldn't get my head around,

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the point I was, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: I thought, Jeep, is you know that's we've misread something here,

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Speaker 2: because the bottom line was that was just something that yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'd said, it had been flagged for a while.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The reality was today was the day that we were

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Speaker 2: a positive story when a national wants to invest here,

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Speaker 2: as it was a positive story. A couple of days

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Speaker 2: well to talk about Resource Management Act and things that

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Speaker 2: there's some challenges for sure in Auckland, but actually you've

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Speaker 1: Do you worry that people. There's a couple of op

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Speaker 1: but then Damian Grant did one yesterday as well. Do

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is that you're in trouble.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. I mean I think, yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: nothing you know. I mean, I don't know Matthew and

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Speaker 2: so I wouldn't. I don't. Yeah, I only take advice

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Speaker 2: advice from, as I keep saying, So for me, it's

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Speaker 2: no problem. So I know why I came to politics

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I can talk about media, whether I

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Speaker 2: it's not particularly helpful this one.

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Speaker 1: What's the timeline? Simon Watts refused to come on this

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Speaker 1: program last week because he was in Australia, yes, doing

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Speaker 1: the two plus even the formal meeting, so he was

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Speaker 1: an Australia dare and we wanted him on what do

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Speaker 1: we want him on? About five thirty? I think we

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Speaker 1: wanted him on Australian time, acceptable or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, I try and get to you at one thirty

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Speaker 2: in the morning in Europe, so I think if I

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Speaker 2: the effort to do it well.

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Speaker 1: So because Steven Joyce when he was on the program

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Speaker 1: never missed once, and he was in China a number

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Speaker 1: the morning, You've been on a one or two in

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Speaker 1: the morning. So the message needs to be sent to

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Speaker 1: some ministers that five thirty in the morning is not

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Speaker 1: really that early.

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Speaker 2: After all, I don't know his circumstances. There was genuinely

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what sort of circumstances you can have

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Speaker 1: at five thirty in the morning. That a problem. At

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Speaker 1: four to thirty every morning, you're up at three, so exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad. I'm glad we got that sort of ad.

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Speaker 1: Do you worried about the door.

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Speaker 2: About the New Zealand dollar value of well, lack of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: A lot of it's about us getting getting our mojo back.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've got to get those fundamentals moving in

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Speaker 2: the right direction. Obviously the low dollars helping us with

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Speaker 1: What do you think it should sit out.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a view on that. I mean, I'm sure, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Should you have a view on it? No, I think

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Speaker 2: I think I've just got to focus on getting the

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Speaker 2: fundamentals right. If I can get as I said, inflation

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Speaker 2: and interest rates and growth and unemployment down, that's really

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Speaker 2: what I've got to deal with on the dollar, as

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Speaker 2: in a market mechanism will sort itself out, all right.

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Speaker 1: Good luck on the walk this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you mate, Thank you for that making that'll be

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