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Speaker 1: Do you remember that controversial new sport run it which

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Speaker 1: we've talked about on the show. It basically involves a

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Speaker 1: ball carrier, somebody carrying a ball and a tackler running

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Speaker 1: straight at each other from twenty meters apart. Now, the

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Speaker 1: first official trial of it in New Zealand happened in

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Speaker 1: Auckland last night, and the next one's happening tomorrow. And

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk to the guys who were involved

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Speaker 1: in the competition and when did they pull out? Or

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Speaker 1: probably what about ten minutes ago? Now it was a

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Speaker 1: little bit more she reckons five Now it was year seven.

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Speaker 1: Split the difference seven and a half minutes ago or thereabouts.

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Speaker 1: So I just said, no, we don't want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you anymore. So that's fine. Speak instead to CEO

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Speaker 1: of Headway, Stacey Mobra Headways, a Concussion and Brain and

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Speaker 1: Jury charity charity.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Stacy Chowder, Heather, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very lovely to talk to you. Opportunities they

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Speaker 1: why not take them? Now? You don't like this game?

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Speaker 2: Why is that? No? I just and we think Headway thinks,

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Speaker 2: but also you know we're in contact and we took

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Speaker 2: work really closely with the researchers here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: and what we're seeing is something that presents extremely high

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Speaker 2: of brain injury.

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Speaker 1: Why are they doing it?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I think you'd have to Well, you know, I

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Speaker 2: think that's the biggest society or issue, isn't it? Why

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Speaker 2: this is attractivel why they're doing it? But you know,

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Speaker 2: I would just really say that I'm calling this a

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Speaker 2: sport undermines the work done by our sporting codes, you

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Speaker 2: know that they've done over many years than they continue

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Speaker 2: to do to try to mitigate the risks. This isn't

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Speaker 2: a sport. This is literally you know, I don't know

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Speaker 2: an activity words for it. Well, I think it's more

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Speaker 2: a spectacle and entertainment, you know, unprotected head impacts for

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Speaker 2: the entertainment of others.

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Speaker 1: Stacey. Now, I know you guys want the venue to

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Speaker 1: stop hosting them, and you're speaking out against the stuff.

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Speaker 1: But these people are adults, right, I mean, people do

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Speaker 1: stupid things. Should we not accept that they have some

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Speaker 1: agency over their own stupid behavior?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know you're right. We wouldn't want to

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Speaker 2: live in a country where we couldn't make choices, right,

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Speaker 2: But one thing that worries us is have these people

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Speaker 2: been fully informed? Listening to you know, people involved with it,

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Speaker 2: they didn't actually seem to realize that there was a

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Speaker 2: difference between you know, that you could get a concussion

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Speaker 2: without a knockout, as you know heads when we want

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Speaker 2: to educate people around concussion, we want to make it

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Speaker 2: clear you can be concussed without a knockout, and that

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Speaker 2: a knockout, you know, is really significant. So that that's

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Speaker 2: our worry that people don't actually know what they're putting theirselves,

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Speaker 2: how they're putting themselves at risk, and also the long

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Speaker 2: term consequences of potential brain injury. But also you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it starves wrong people and what they're seeing

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Speaker 2: and what the message is they're getting from this being

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Speaker 2: on TikTok and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Stacy, thanks for talking to us. Appreciate it. Stacy Mowbray,

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Speaker 1: who is the CEO of Headway.

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