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Speaker 3: Hello Beck on the front foot once again. We wish

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Speaker 3: she's been a busy week. What happened of old Trafford

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Speaker 3: Well a toothless attack. Couldn't finish the job for England?

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Speaker 3: Five from five for the black Caps in T twenty

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Speaker 3: cricket That doesn't mean much technology Livy has been dropped

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Speaker 3: for now. I'll buy a new seven cricket. How are

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Speaker 3: they going to pay for and a KeyWe with a

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Speaker 3: high profile job at the home of cricket boy. It's

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Speaker 3: been a lot of fun this week. J You've had

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Speaker 3: you beat up watching the Test match. I expected to

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Speaker 3: see an England victory. They didn't have it, did.

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Speaker 6: They They didn't and it'll be a surprise to them.

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Speaker 6: I think they probably played the better cricket throughout, even

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Speaker 6: though the conditions favored them, you know, and they won

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Speaker 6: the fourth toss in a row, but you would have

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Speaker 6: expected them, especially when India with what two down for

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Speaker 6: one run at lunch time on day four. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: they'll be disappointed. And I think, you know, some things emerged.

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Speaker 6: I don't think the Indian side myself is selecting the

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Speaker 6: He seems to me to be a point of difference

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Speaker 6: and on these pictures that's what you need, a point

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Speaker 4: And Manchester generally.

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Speaker 6: Is about fast bowling, even though they've turned the square

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Speaker 6: need wrist spin, quick bowlers and wrist spin. And India

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Speaker 6: had to win that match really if they're going to

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Speaker 6: so they had to pick Bomra and in my opinion,

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Speaker 6: so they picked loads of all rounders to try and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well the all rounders did the job. In terms

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Speaker 3: an Indian cricket Washington, but never mind, that's his name, Washington. Sunday,

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Speaker 3: Peter Holland is back with us again. We'll equipped with

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Speaker 3: his black beret and looking like the fine English gentleman

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Speaker 3: that he is as a New Zealand and most good

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Speaker 5: Good, yeah, good to be good to be here. It's

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Speaker 5: it's it's hard what to to know what to take

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Speaker 5: I just looked at looked at certain things. I think

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Speaker 5: They've had to spend a lot of time in the

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Speaker 5: our chances to draw the series at the Oval. Now, Jerry,

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Speaker 5: I wonder you've seen the oval a bit. What how

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Speaker 6: It's a pitch moose and lovely to see you back

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Speaker 4: But you got to hand it to those guys. They

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Speaker 6: They deserved what they earned and a bit have got

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Speaker 3: No, it gave those players a chance to get hundreds.

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Speaker 3: But from England's point of view, two wickets on the

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Speaker 3: Philip Tufnell basically says the attack is toothless day five

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Speaker 5: Oh you think so, wouldn't you. I think it does

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Speaker 4: And then he gets swing and it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, that's I mean, that's that's smart

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Speaker 5: Fifth Test great And you would which which way would

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Speaker 5: you pick it? I don't know which way you go.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, you know, you look at the sort

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Speaker 3: Stokes may not bowl on the Test. You'll play but

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Speaker 3: he may not bowl changes the whole structure of the

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Speaker 3: England side, doesn't it India, Well, Borma has been run

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Speaker 3: Sarahs looks as though he's been run under the ground too.

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Speaker 3: I mean what you say, Jerry is and the Oval

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Speaker 3: in the past has always been a turning track. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if it's any different now, but that Culdeep

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Speaker 3: You were talking about jac.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well I think Butmer of course, don't forget philis.

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Speaker 6: He's had two days sitting down, hadn't he the last

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Speaker 6: two days? So he's had those and then he's got

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Speaker 6: And I guess the captain and other people will have

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Speaker 6: And we don't know the answer. That punt will probably

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Speaker 6: will not play. I wouldn't think he can't. Kenny and

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Speaker 6: in the second and he's not a bad player. Then

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Speaker 6: They'll bring up a backup, I would think in case

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Speaker 6: out who's left. And they'll try and get Boomber to Playfellows,

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Speaker 5: I think he plays.

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Speaker 4: So I think all. That's pretty good actually, and that

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Speaker 7: over a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that that was a scene up

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Speaker 3: and you talk about the Riverband Tournament. There was a

436
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Speaker 3: lot of people know that because Greg Finlay's run that

437
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Speaker 3: successfully after his father started it up, and it's been

438
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Speaker 3: highly successful and used widely. Play HQ failed for many

439
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Speaker 3: users and even last year, and some said they had

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Speaker 3: to ditch it and go to the paper scoring that

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Speaker 3: can be overcome.

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Speaker 2: The idea of crickethq was to get away from paper.

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Speaker 2: I think the problem. You know, we watched it quite closely.

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Speaker 7: The way that it was introduced without sort of any

445
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Speaker 7: testing or comparison to the incumbent product was quite frustrating

446
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Speaker 7: for us in the sense that we put so much

447
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Speaker 7: effort into supporting the community game, you know, meeting all

448
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Speaker 7: the requirements of New Zealand Cricket in development and stuff

449
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Speaker 7: like that. But it was just, yeah, it was just

450
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Speaker 7: really tough, I suppose, just coming to terms with the

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Speaker 7: fact that the product that they were introduced was a

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Speaker 7: web based, not an app based, and an inferior product.

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Speaker 7: It might be quite good for administration, but certainly for us,

454
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Speaker 7: scoring stats and everything else that cricket hq is renowned

455
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Speaker 7: for was what we thought was a backward step in

456
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Speaker 7: the game.

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Speaker 3: Would your company still be prepared to work with New

458
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Speaker 3: Zealand Cricket and the associations if ed got the opportunity.

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Speaker 7: We always wanted to work with the associations. New Zealand

460
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Speaker 7: Cricket wouldn't let us deal with them or talk to them.

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Speaker 7: That was part of the deal that we had to

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Speaker 7: do everything with New Zealand Cricket.

463
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Speaker 2: Have we have we been given a fair deal.

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Speaker 7: No, but you know, at the end of the day,

465
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Speaker 7: you know, we've got to do what's best for the game,

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Speaker 7: not not and put personalities aside. You know, we have

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Speaker 7: stats going back many, many years, a lot of them,

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Speaker 7: you know, the likes of Glenn Turner, Richard Hadley, which

469
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Speaker 7: are widely available anyway, but there's a lot of first

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Speaker 7: class cricket statistics that go back far more than the

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Speaker 7: ten years that were the amount of years that Cricket

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Speaker 7: HQ was was operating, and those all those first class

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Speaker 7: that's that they're there. You know, hopefully we can we

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Speaker 7: can become a choice of the user or in the

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Speaker 7: within the cricket community to hopefully grow the game. That

476
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Speaker 7: was what the aim was and still the aim.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Peter, Well, clearly Moosey is a man who has

478
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Speaker 3: an interest in the game. I know he has a

479
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Speaker 3: lot of support through clubs and associations throughout the country,

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Speaker 3: but it seems New Zealand Cricket want to cut him adrift.

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Speaker 5: WA'SCHR view difficult because I think there was a business there,

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Speaker 5: but I don't know where it is now and I

483
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Speaker 5: don't know where you come back from. I understand the

484
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Speaker 5: investors were being sought in the subcontinent, I don't know

485
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Speaker 5: where that sits now. But if in z C has

486
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Speaker 5: kind of deal with the Australian technology, I don't know

487
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Speaker 5: how you are and unwind that. And I don't know.

488
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Speaker 5: I don't know how cricket HQ can can can bring

489
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Speaker 5: in I mean, if they were able to ride a

490
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Speaker 5: platform which is which is free and available, but do

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Speaker 5: they need the authorization or the consent of nz inc

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Speaker 5: to provide it? I don't know this.

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Speaker 3: No, well I'm not just sure. But once they commit associations,

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Speaker 3: and let's face it, ented C are the funders of

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Speaker 3: the various associations, aren't they?

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Speaker 5: They the problem?

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Speaker 3: They really hold them to it. Yeah, And it's a

498
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Speaker 3: pity because you know, as we had Craig finlay on

499
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Speaker 3: last week, he is a great supporter of cricke HQ

500
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Speaker 3: because they supported him and their system works for him,

501
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Speaker 3: and if it works for him, it works for other

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Speaker 3: outfits too. You know, it shouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Be I don't believe there's anything. This is where this

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Speaker 5: is where we have a problem here. It's a pity

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Speaker 5: that it was done somewhat without any consultation and under

506
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Speaker 5: a previous leadership group inside INDI in C at the time,

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Speaker 5: no consultation. It didn't appear to be any sort of

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Speaker 5: process where the Australian technology was put up against cricket

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Speaker 5: h Q. Did you bed did you? Could you quote?

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Speaker 5: I don't think that happened. It seems to me a

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Speaker 5: little bit cute and and and it leaves you catching

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Speaker 5: your head because why would you do that when you've

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Speaker 5: got a perfectly good system here already which is free Yep.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to see how it plays

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Speaker 3: out over the next few weeks because the games, the

516
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Speaker 3: clubs and the associations need a system that they can

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Speaker 3: rely on and have some faith in it. A lot

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Speaker 3: of them didn't have a lot of faith in play

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Speaker 3: h Q. So we will wait on that.

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Speaker 1: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.

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Speaker 2: On the front foot.

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Speaker 3: With Brian Waddle and Jeremy Coney, we're off to Lord's Well,

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Speaker 3: not to the cricket ground. Because while our next guest

524
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Speaker 3: spends the best part of her life there. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: she doesn't live there. Meg Lay is the first women

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Speaker 3: groundskeeper at Lord's and she joins us to talk about

527
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Speaker 3: her job. Thanks for your time, Meg, How did you

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Speaker 3: land such a prestigious job?

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Speaker 8: I think I just got very very lucky, a lot

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Speaker 8: of right place, right time. I'm just a farmer from Irwell,

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Speaker 8: south of christ Church, and so to come over to

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Speaker 8: England and I spent a few years working on the

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Speaker 8: grounds team at Bristol. I'd loved cricket my whole life

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Speaker 8: and it was the perfect combination of farming and cricket,

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Speaker 8: and so then when the Lord's job came up a

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Speaker 8: couple of years later, it was something I couldn't say

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Speaker 8: no to.

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Speaker 3: Interesting really, because you've played a bit of cricket. Have

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Speaker 3: you had any experience in groundkeeping, in preparing pictures or

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Speaker 3: doing anything like that.

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Speaker 8: No, none at all, And I actually had no idea

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Speaker 8: what was involved in it, even though I'd played cricket

543
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Speaker 8: my whole life. I certainly pulled on the covers a

544
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Speaker 8: few times on on a rainy club day, but that

545
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Speaker 8: was the extent of my knowledge. So it was a

546
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Speaker 8: massive learning curve and it's given me a whole lot

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Speaker 8: more respect for the people that are preparing pictures right

548
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Speaker 8: from grassroots all the way out.

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Speaker 3: Because there's a heck of a science involvement it now,

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Speaker 3: isn't there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, massively so, And again that's something I didn't quite understand.

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Speaker 8: I thought it was just cutting and rolling, that there's

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Speaker 8: not much more to it than that. But there's so

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Speaker 8: much technology and precision that goes into it. It's quite intense.

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Speaker 3: You had your first job at Bristol in Gloucestershire and

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Speaker 3: that was a sort of a strange introduction to preparation,

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Speaker 3: wasn't it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was, it was. Actually it was great.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 8: I was working under two guys, the head and the

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Speaker 8: deputy there, who between them had seventy odd years of

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Speaker 8: experience and they were just the best teachers I could

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Speaker 8: have asked for. So I had a great couple of

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Speaker 8: years there and I learned so much and it put

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Speaker 8: me in really good stead to work at Lawts.

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Speaker 3: Did you have to front up with a CV to

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Speaker 3: lords to get the job? Was it an easy experience?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you do have to have a little bit of

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Speaker 9: a CV.

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Speaker 8: I did sort of. I had my agricultural background as

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Speaker 8: well as the couple of years I spent at Bristol,

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Speaker 8: but i'd also sort of you know, from the first

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Speaker 8: day I started the job in Bristol, I was just

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Speaker 8: obsessed with it. So I sent a lot of emails

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Speaker 8: around the country and got work experience doing the odd

576
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Speaker 8: match days at different football stadiums and other cricket grounds

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Speaker 8: around the country.

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Speaker 9: And I think in a job like this.

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Speaker 8: Where you know, they are the long hours and people

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Speaker 8: look for that sort of passion, so I think that

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Speaker 8: put me in really good stead as well.

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Speaker 9: I'm just absolutely obsessed with it.

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Speaker 3: You talk about long hours, I suppose your time's not

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Speaker 3: necessarily your own as such, because you've got to do

585
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Speaker 3: so many extra things. It's not just a matter of

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Speaker 3: cutting and rolling in cricket.

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Speaker 5: Pitch, is it.

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Speaker 9: No, there isn't.

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Speaker 8: It's our busiest days are the non game days, you know,

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Speaker 8: where we're you know, thinking about feeding the grass and

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Speaker 8: all the irrigation and that sort of thing that goes

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Speaker 8: into it. That's where the work gets really intense, and

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Speaker 8: I'm sure farmers around the country can relate. You know,

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Speaker 8: there are periods where things are quiet and then everything

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Speaker 8: happens at once, and it's very much the same when

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Speaker 8: it comes to groundskeeping.

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Speaker 3: Do you do everything that's involved with the ground or

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Speaker 3: do you have a specialist skill because there are specialist

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Speaker 3: skills I suppose involved, And of course you've got two

600
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Speaker 3: grounds to deal with, haven't you. You've got the nursery

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Speaker 3: end as well, where a lot of cricketers played.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and a lot of cricket grounds around England do

603
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Speaker 8: operate that way where people have certain specialties and that

604
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Speaker 8: sort of thing. But at Lord's we all do everything.

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Speaker 8: It's sort of seen as quite an important thing that

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Speaker 8: we all know how to do everything and that we

607
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Speaker 8: you know, we're there to develop as well. I mean,

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Speaker 8: and what a place to do. It's the home of cricket.

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Speaker 8: We're learning under some pretty fantastic sort of mentors and

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Speaker 8: so yeah, it's important. It's important for the leadership and

611
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Speaker 8: our team. It's important for us that we can all

612
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Speaker 8: do everything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you say the home of cricket. Of course there's

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Speaker 3: a wonsibility that goes with that too, because you always

615
00:35:11,973 --> 00:35:15,213
Speaker 3: have to have the perfect pitch, so it seems for

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Speaker 3: everybody otherwise you might cover it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely, And I say it's the most scrutinized twenty

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Speaker 8: two yards of grass in the world. The Lord's pitch,

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Speaker 8: you know, there's a lot of pressure that goes into it,

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Speaker 8: and you know that's why it's so important for our

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Speaker 8: team that we all look after each other. We definitely

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Speaker 8: do cop it. We cough it most games, to be honest,

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Speaker 8: there's always you know that if it's a great pitch

624
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Speaker 8: for the batters, the bowlers aren't happy and vice versa.

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Speaker 8: So we definitely cop it. But we also really thrive

626
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Speaker 8: under that pressure. It feels amazing when we get it right.

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Speaker 8: And when we have a five day Test match between

628
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Speaker 8: England and India that sort of goes right down to

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Speaker 8: the wire like the one last week did, it's a

630
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Speaker 8: really it's a massive reward for us.

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Speaker 3: And that pitch came under scrutiny as well too, didn't

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Speaker 3: The A's always people not happy with one format or

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Speaker 3: the other. And of course English grounds and Lords is

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Speaker 3: no different. Has more than one twenty two yards. They

635
00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:18,453
Speaker 3: spread almost right across the full field, don't they They do?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so, I mean at Lord's we have twenty pitches

637
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Speaker 8: that we use for different games, which is unheard of

638
00:36:24,493 --> 00:36:27,733
Speaker 8: in New Zealand, and we have sixty five days of

639
00:36:27,733 --> 00:36:31,133
Speaker 8: cricket over a six month summer, so it is. And

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Speaker 8: that's just on the main ground. The nursery is another

641
00:36:33,613 --> 00:36:37,573
Speaker 8: story altogether. So yeah, it is very full on over

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00:36:37,613 --> 00:36:40,173
Speaker 8: here with the amount of cricket we have and trying

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Speaker 8: to make sure everything's looking good in the days off

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Speaker 8: that we have that there isn't a game on.

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Speaker 3: The slope. Does there have to be special preparation work

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Speaker 3: done on the ground because of the slope. Does it

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Speaker 3: carry importance in terms of watering or seeding, or grassing

648
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Speaker 3: or any of the things that you have to go through.

649
00:37:03,013 --> 00:37:06,733
Speaker 8: Yeah, irrigation is definitely the big one. If we are

650
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Speaker 8: trying to water a pitch, you know that we're starting

651
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Speaker 8: to prepare. We can only water it so much because

652
00:37:12,213 --> 00:37:15,493
Speaker 8: it might roll down the slope onto you know, tomorrow's pitch,

653
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:18,853
Speaker 8: which would be a disaster. It's also you know, if

654
00:37:18,853 --> 00:37:21,933
Speaker 8: we have a really heavy rainfall, we've covered the whole square,

655
00:37:22,013 --> 00:37:25,453
Speaker 8: it's monitoring the water running from the top of the

656
00:37:25,453 --> 00:37:29,373
Speaker 8: ground underneath that square. So that can be quite a

657
00:37:29,493 --> 00:37:32,413
Speaker 8: challenge to deal with, which is certainly a little bit

658
00:37:32,493 --> 00:37:33,533
Speaker 8: unique to Lord's.

659
00:37:34,453 --> 00:37:37,693
Speaker 3: Any special sciences that you have to indulge in that

660
00:37:37,813 --> 00:37:40,053
Speaker 3: I know that you know the ground staff are hitting

661
00:37:40,093 --> 00:37:44,333
Speaker 3: in those little drills, I suppose to pull out the

662
00:37:45,133 --> 00:37:47,293
Speaker 3: core of the ground and check and see that it's

663
00:37:47,453 --> 00:37:51,613
Speaker 3: firmness And are there other factors involved in terms of

664
00:37:51,813 --> 00:37:55,613
Speaker 3: checking the pitch to ensure that it meets the requirements.

665
00:37:56,533 --> 00:37:59,733
Speaker 8: Well, we actually don't really chase numbers. And cricket every

666
00:37:59,813 --> 00:38:02,413
Speaker 8: ground is different and they all have their different quirks.

667
00:38:02,413 --> 00:38:05,053
Speaker 8: Whereas you go to football wars or something, and you

668
00:38:05,093 --> 00:38:08,693
Speaker 8: know the compaction all has to be the same. It's

669
00:38:08,813 --> 00:38:11,493
Speaker 8: every football ground has to be the same essentially, whereas

670
00:38:11,493 --> 00:38:15,053
Speaker 8: cricket we're allowed some quirks. So you know, for example,

671
00:38:16,293 --> 00:38:19,773
Speaker 8: a pitch at the gabber might might be testing at

672
00:38:19,813 --> 00:38:22,533
Speaker 8: one hundred and eighty on the clear reading, which tests

673
00:38:22,533 --> 00:38:25,053
Speaker 8: how compact the soil is, and that might be their

674
00:38:25,053 --> 00:38:27,253
Speaker 8: golden number, whereas for us it might be closer to

675
00:38:27,253 --> 00:38:31,053
Speaker 8: two fifty. And so every ground is different and it's

676
00:38:31,133 --> 00:38:34,413
Speaker 8: all we're not chasing numbers, but they are interesting to know.

677
00:38:35,053 --> 00:38:38,013
Speaker 3: Do you get left with the responsibility of running the

678
00:38:38,013 --> 00:38:40,773
Speaker 3: place or as I think it's Karl McDermott now as

679
00:38:40,813 --> 00:38:42,413
Speaker 3: the head man, isn't.

680
00:38:42,293 --> 00:38:45,933
Speaker 8: He Yeah, it's Carl McDermott. He's he's a fantastic leader.

681
00:38:45,973 --> 00:38:47,893
Speaker 8: He's been in the industry for a long time and

682
00:38:48,013 --> 00:38:51,173
Speaker 8: worked at quite a few different grounds, and he's absolutely

683
00:38:51,213 --> 00:38:54,013
Speaker 8: not ready to trust me to take on any sort

684
00:38:54,053 --> 00:38:56,453
Speaker 8: of responsibility like that at the moment, rightfully.

685
00:38:56,493 --> 00:38:59,413
Speaker 3: So you talk with passionate about your job. Is it

686
00:39:00,093 --> 00:39:01,213
Speaker 3: a future job for you?

687
00:39:02,293 --> 00:39:03,293
Speaker 9: Yeah? Absolutely.

688
00:39:03,413 --> 00:39:07,453
Speaker 8: It was the very first day in Bristol, I knew

689
00:39:07,493 --> 00:39:09,573
Speaker 8: I couldn't do anything else for the rest of my life.

690
00:39:09,613 --> 00:39:13,093
Speaker 8: And every single day I've felt like that. I wake

691
00:39:13,173 --> 00:39:15,893
Speaker 8: up and I want to go to work and it's

692
00:39:16,093 --> 00:39:18,213
Speaker 8: it is truly, I'm truly living the dream.

693
00:39:18,293 --> 00:39:19,653
Speaker 9: I couldn't ask for anything more.

694
00:39:20,613 --> 00:39:23,453
Speaker 3: Is that the cricket you or perhaps the farming background

695
00:39:23,493 --> 00:39:24,813
Speaker 3: that inspired that.

696
00:39:25,413 --> 00:39:28,573
Speaker 8: It's both, It's it's both of those things. It's you know,

697
00:39:29,053 --> 00:39:31,533
Speaker 8: I get everything out of out of doing this job

698
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:33,413
Speaker 8: what I used to do playing cricket. You know, I'm

699
00:39:33,453 --> 00:39:36,253
Speaker 8: outside in the sun with my mates all day every

700
00:39:36,333 --> 00:39:40,213
Speaker 8: day where you know, it's very physical, and get paid

701
00:39:40,213 --> 00:39:43,173
Speaker 8: to sit and watch cricket. Is it truly couldn't get better?

702
00:39:43,773 --> 00:39:47,053
Speaker 3: Yeah? Had any decent experiences there that you recall in

703
00:39:47,133 --> 00:39:50,773
Speaker 3: terms of playing experiences or things that you've seen happen there,

704
00:39:50,813 --> 00:39:54,293
Speaker 3: because the best in the world front up there, don't

705
00:39:54,293 --> 00:39:57,253
Speaker 3: they and they're you know, they're always at their best,

706
00:39:57,333 --> 00:39:59,173
Speaker 3: so it seems yeah.

707
00:39:59,213 --> 00:40:02,053
Speaker 8: Absolutely, And I've been lucky enough to work both a

708
00:40:02,253 --> 00:40:04,613
Speaker 8: Black Cats and a White Fans game there since I've

709
00:40:04,613 --> 00:40:07,533
Speaker 8: been around, and they were both really really special. It's

710
00:40:07,573 --> 00:40:11,133
Speaker 8: be able to prepare pictures for my fellow Kiwi's was

711
00:40:11,413 --> 00:40:15,413
Speaker 8: pretty awesome. We've got Cain Williamson at Middlesex now and

712
00:40:15,453 --> 00:40:18,413
Speaker 8: Middlesex play at Lord's, so seeing him around the place

713
00:40:18,453 --> 00:40:21,893
Speaker 8: has been really really cool. Yeah, he's good to the

714
00:40:21,893 --> 00:40:23,253
Speaker 8: ground staff, so we all like him.

715
00:40:24,253 --> 00:40:27,373
Speaker 3: Would you like to come back and do the home

716
00:40:27,413 --> 00:40:30,373
Speaker 3: of cricket the base in Reserve? Oh? Sorry, I shouldn't

717
00:40:30,573 --> 00:40:33,773
Speaker 3: throw the patient Reserve. It's my favorite ground, you see.

718
00:40:34,693 --> 00:40:37,653
Speaker 3: But do you think there's a job here for you?

719
00:40:38,453 --> 00:40:39,933
Speaker 3: Is the future in England?

720
00:40:39,933 --> 00:40:40,333
Speaker 5: Do you think?

721
00:40:41,173 --> 00:40:41,253
Speaker 3: No?

722
00:40:41,373 --> 00:40:44,493
Speaker 8: I absolutely want to come home, and I don't quite

723
00:40:44,573 --> 00:40:47,813
Speaker 8: know which ground that will be at yet, but you know,

724
00:40:48,333 --> 00:40:51,333
Speaker 8: I'd be open to anything. I am just really keen

725
00:40:51,373 --> 00:40:53,533
Speaker 8: to sort of bring back what I've learned over here

726
00:40:53,613 --> 00:40:56,373
Speaker 8: from cricket in from working at football grounds as well,

727
00:40:56,733 --> 00:40:59,613
Speaker 8: bring that back home and sort of see how I

728
00:40:59,653 --> 00:41:03,373
Speaker 8: get on how many, honest are We've got ten and

729
00:41:04,053 --> 00:41:06,253
Speaker 8: very lucky to have ten. Most grounds don't have anywhere

730
00:41:06,293 --> 00:41:10,093
Speaker 8: near that. We have five full timers, which I'm one of,

731
00:41:10,453 --> 00:41:14,133
Speaker 8: an ap printer, and then we get four seasonals and

732
00:41:14,173 --> 00:41:16,613
Speaker 8: they usually come from New Zealand or Australia because it

733
00:41:16,613 --> 00:41:20,333
Speaker 8: works out with their seasons. Yeah, definitely very lucky. We've

734
00:41:20,333 --> 00:41:22,653
Speaker 8: got another Kiwi on the staff as well, Dylan Lynch,

735
00:41:22,693 --> 00:41:25,853
Speaker 8: and I think he feels very similarly about it is

736
00:41:25,973 --> 00:41:29,333
Speaker 8: what I do. So yeah, we're both pretty lucky kiwis.

737
00:41:29,653 --> 00:41:31,653
Speaker 3: Yes, it's an inspiring place when you walk in there.

738
00:41:31,693 --> 00:41:33,453
Speaker 3: I remember when I went in for the first time,

739
00:41:33,493 --> 00:41:35,013
Speaker 3: I was scared to walk on the grass. I don't

740
00:41:35,013 --> 00:41:38,533
Speaker 3: think we were allowed to, but that changed over a

741
00:41:38,573 --> 00:41:42,173
Speaker 3: period of time. But it's inspiring and a little intimidating

742
00:41:42,213 --> 00:41:44,173
Speaker 3: to a certain extent, isn't it. Yeah?

743
00:41:44,213 --> 00:41:46,453
Speaker 8: It is, and it's funny you actually don't get used

744
00:41:46,453 --> 00:41:49,093
Speaker 8: to it. Every time I walk out there, I'm still

745
00:41:49,093 --> 00:41:52,653
Speaker 8: going wow, like, how lucky am I? This is very

746
00:41:52,733 --> 00:41:54,333
Speaker 8: very cool. Not many people get to go out on

747
00:41:54,373 --> 00:41:57,733
Speaker 8: the grass at Lord's basically unless you unless you're a

748
00:41:57,733 --> 00:42:01,053
Speaker 8: player or a coach or us and we spend all

749
00:42:01,053 --> 00:42:03,893
Speaker 8: our time out there, so very lucky, especially being a

750
00:42:03,893 --> 00:42:04,413
Speaker 8: cricket fan.

751
00:42:04,973 --> 00:42:07,213
Speaker 3: Yeah. Are you based at the nursery end or are

752
00:42:07,253 --> 00:42:08,693
Speaker 3: you down at the.

753
00:42:10,093 --> 00:42:12,653
Speaker 9: I do a bit of both. Yeah, do it all.

754
00:42:13,733 --> 00:42:17,693
Speaker 3: Because having worked over there and been in that spaceship.

755
00:42:18,773 --> 00:42:22,093
Speaker 3: I remember once the lift on one side never worked

756
00:42:22,093 --> 00:42:24,013
Speaker 3: properly and it stopped before it reached to the top,

757
00:42:24,053 --> 00:42:25,493
Speaker 3: and I was in there with Ian, both of them,

758
00:42:25,973 --> 00:42:29,693
Speaker 3: and he didn't like the enclosed space needed to die

759
00:42:29,733 --> 00:42:31,773
Speaker 3: to any great grant, So I hope that that lift

760
00:42:31,813 --> 00:42:33,333
Speaker 3: is working. You don't have to climb the stairs.

761
00:42:33,893 --> 00:42:36,053
Speaker 8: No, it is working now, I can report that. But

762
00:42:36,093 --> 00:42:38,573
Speaker 8: they are small lifts, so I do feel bad for you.

763
00:42:38,653 --> 00:42:42,173
Speaker 3: Then it was a tough time, but I was with

764
00:42:42,213 --> 00:42:43,933
Speaker 3: one of the greats of the game, so I was

765
00:42:44,453 --> 00:42:45,093
Speaker 3: more than happy.

766
00:42:45,333 --> 00:42:45,533
Speaker 2: Meg.

767
00:42:45,573 --> 00:42:48,573
Speaker 3: Thanks very much for your time. Congratulations on what you've

768
00:42:48,773 --> 00:42:51,173
Speaker 3: been able to achieve, and we look out for you

769
00:42:51,373 --> 00:42:56,613
Speaker 3: on the Lord's matches when they come up, and I

770
00:42:56,733 --> 00:43:01,253
Speaker 3: hope you'll enjoy continuing there at the Home of cricket.

771
00:43:02,093 --> 00:43:03,693
Speaker 9: Thanks very much, Rian, thanks having me.

772
00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:08,813
Speaker 3: Meg Lay the grounds keeper at Lords, and she speaks

773
00:43:08,813 --> 00:43:10,893
Speaker 3: with a lot of passion. Jerry, I think he spoke

774
00:43:10,933 --> 00:43:13,573
Speaker 3: to her during the Lord's Test match, and quite clearly

775
00:43:14,413 --> 00:43:18,493
Speaker 3: she's a lady cut out to do pictures and grounds

776
00:43:18,493 --> 00:43:21,053
Speaker 3: in New Zealand when she decides to return, and that

777
00:43:21,133 --> 00:43:22,213
Speaker 3: seems to be on her mind.

778
00:43:23,853 --> 00:43:27,293
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's she's a great girl. I did meet her.

779
00:43:27,333 --> 00:43:29,293
Speaker 6: I could see her because she's got a shock of

780
00:43:29,333 --> 00:43:32,133
Speaker 6: blonde hair, and so I gave her a wave and

781
00:43:32,173 --> 00:43:35,853
Speaker 6: she came over. She actually knew us, for Heaven's sake,

782
00:43:36,013 --> 00:43:38,373
Speaker 6: that's how old she is, or at least how deeply

783
00:43:38,453 --> 00:43:39,373
Speaker 6: she knows the game.

784
00:43:40,893 --> 00:43:44,013
Speaker 4: But it looks she's she's she's just a terrific girl.

785
00:43:44,173 --> 00:43:47,453
Speaker 6: I mean, someone who's taken a risk to go to

786
00:43:47,493 --> 00:43:52,293
Speaker 6: a new country. She's she's kind of kind of combined

787
00:43:53,053 --> 00:43:57,133
Speaker 6: her past interests and also a real interest, which is

788
00:43:57,173 --> 00:44:00,573
Speaker 6: cricket and farming. And yet she has no history at

789
00:44:00,653 --> 00:44:05,493
Speaker 6: all in doing you know, and making pictures and so on.

790
00:44:06,013 --> 00:44:09,093
Speaker 6: So she's something also of a trailblaze, isn't she. She's

791
00:44:09,213 --> 00:44:14,373
Speaker 6: entering a predominantly male, male dominated job and groundkeeping and curating,

792
00:44:16,093 --> 00:44:20,013
Speaker 6: and she's grasped the chance that she was given in Bristol,

793
00:44:20,493 --> 00:44:23,933
Speaker 6: and she's obviously loves it, and she learns quickly, you know,

794
00:44:24,213 --> 00:44:27,813
Speaker 6: that's that's great, and she's clearly liking it.

795
00:44:28,773 --> 00:44:30,613
Speaker 4: She interested in the whole process.

796
00:44:30,693 --> 00:44:33,373
Speaker 6: She was working on the outfield when she dropped her

797
00:44:33,413 --> 00:44:35,213
Speaker 6: little rake and that sort of thing, and out she

798
00:44:35,253 --> 00:44:40,293
Speaker 6: came to have a chat and you know, I just thought,

799
00:44:40,613 --> 00:44:44,573
Speaker 6: you know, she she headed up actually and all female

800
00:44:44,653 --> 00:44:48,573
Speaker 6: ground stuff for one of the women's ashes then when

801
00:44:48,573 --> 00:44:51,373
Speaker 6: they were playing at Edgeburston, which is a nice touch,

802
00:44:51,453 --> 00:44:54,653
Speaker 6: isn't it all an all women ground star preparing the

803
00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:57,213
Speaker 6: ground and the surface that all the women are going

804
00:44:57,253 --> 00:45:00,373
Speaker 6: to be playing on. And look, as you say, the

805
00:45:00,453 --> 00:45:03,573
Speaker 6: main thing as far as the three of us are concerned,

806
00:45:03,773 --> 00:45:08,773
Speaker 6: she's going to get all this fantastic knowledge and she's

807
00:45:09,053 --> 00:45:11,533
Speaker 6: because she she loves going away and doing sort of

808
00:45:11,573 --> 00:45:15,413
Speaker 6: as she mentioned, football games, football match day games.

809
00:45:15,093 --> 00:45:17,493
Speaker 4: As well, so she's getting a wide.

810
00:45:17,893 --> 00:45:21,533
Speaker 6: Amount of experience and she's interested in bringing it all

811
00:45:21,573 --> 00:45:23,333
Speaker 6: home at some stage, which is great.

812
00:45:23,813 --> 00:45:26,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope she can do that. And it's not

813
00:45:26,413 --> 00:45:29,053
Speaker 3: like the days when we used to prepare pitchers moose.

814
00:45:29,093 --> 00:45:31,213
Speaker 3: You know, give it a bit bit of water and

815
00:45:31,733 --> 00:45:34,093
Speaker 3: roll it out and the where you go and that's

816
00:45:34,133 --> 00:45:35,093
Speaker 3: your cricket pitcher.

817
00:45:37,733 --> 00:45:42,893
Speaker 5: No, no, I I I it's it's whether whether it's

818
00:45:42,893 --> 00:45:47,013
Speaker 5: the woman or young man. I just applaud the the

819
00:45:47,013 --> 00:45:51,853
Speaker 5: the attitude, the just go and grab it sort of view.

820
00:45:52,693 --> 00:45:55,893
Speaker 5: And uh and well well done that person. That's all

821
00:45:55,933 --> 00:45:58,613
Speaker 5: I can say. I did a bit of a read

822
00:45:58,653 --> 00:46:01,893
Speaker 5: about it, and I think, well, what a positive, positive

823
00:46:02,173 --> 00:46:05,693
Speaker 5: human being that is. And and she's a credit to

824
00:46:05,733 --> 00:46:10,133
Speaker 5: this country and to break down the barriers that the

825
00:46:10,173 --> 00:46:14,333
Speaker 5: Lord should not be underestimated just by the bye albeit

826
00:46:14,413 --> 00:46:18,053
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, but that's this is this is this

827
00:46:18,133 --> 00:46:20,693
Speaker 5: is this is important. This is really good and I

828
00:46:20,733 --> 00:46:22,333
Speaker 5: think bloody wonderful thrill.

829
00:46:22,413 --> 00:46:26,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't take just anybody at the home of cricket,

830
00:46:26,093 --> 00:46:29,293
Speaker 3: you know, you have to be special. And the science

831
00:46:29,413 --> 00:46:32,973
Speaker 3: involved in cricket preparation, boy, that's way beyond me. I

832
00:46:33,013 --> 00:46:37,653
Speaker 3: didn't pass chemistry, biology or animal husbandry or any of

833
00:46:37,733 --> 00:46:47,253
Speaker 3: those sorts of subjects. Yeah, English, Yeah. Anyway, we've got

834
00:46:47,293 --> 00:46:50,533
Speaker 3: two test matches and it's going to be difficult to

835
00:46:50,933 --> 00:46:55,653
Speaker 3: spend all night awake again. I'll be listening out for

836
00:46:56,053 --> 00:47:00,133
Speaker 3: Jerry's commentary. But you can't pick it up here unfortunately,

837
00:47:00,213 --> 00:47:03,093
Speaker 3: although you can you can pick it up on YouTube

838
00:47:03,173 --> 00:47:03,533
Speaker 3: or something.

839
00:47:03,613 --> 00:47:06,853
Speaker 5: Jerry can't you pick it up on YouTube YouTube, talk

840
00:47:06,893 --> 00:47:10,893
Speaker 5: Sport YouTube, and you can get Jerry live and you

841
00:47:10,973 --> 00:47:13,653
Speaker 5: can message there. And I didn't message him to say

842
00:47:13,653 --> 00:47:19,213
Speaker 5: I rather loved his his his purple or whatever was lanyard,

843
00:47:19,213 --> 00:47:22,213
Speaker 5: and he didn't pick up that I'd done that. But

844
00:47:22,333 --> 00:47:24,133
Speaker 5: you can get you can get Jerry. You can watch

845
00:47:24,173 --> 00:47:27,413
Speaker 5: him on He's sleeping talk Sport.

846
00:47:28,053 --> 00:47:31,333
Speaker 3: Yeah there, Jerry. So well, hopefully we'll be able to

847
00:47:31,373 --> 00:47:34,653
Speaker 3: get you some some text messages or whatever they call it,

848
00:47:34,933 --> 00:47:38,413
Speaker 3: and you'll be able to acknowledge them for your widening

849
00:47:38,653 --> 00:47:41,093
Speaker 3: band of followers in this part of the world.

850
00:47:41,773 --> 00:47:43,653
Speaker 4: Oh mate, it's great, it's great.

851
00:47:43,693 --> 00:47:46,893
Speaker 6: Actually, I love that they it only comes in on one,

852
00:47:47,413 --> 00:47:50,373
Speaker 6: one little computer, so I don't get to see that,

853
00:47:50,573 --> 00:47:55,453
Speaker 6: so I don't see any of the texts. I'm not accustomed,

854
00:47:55,493 --> 00:47:58,693
Speaker 6: I've got to say, of having a camera rammed up

855
00:47:58,733 --> 00:48:03,253
Speaker 6: your nose as you pick it and it's it says

856
00:48:03,333 --> 00:48:06,453
Speaker 6: you know how you forget and you just absent mindedly

857
00:48:06,533 --> 00:48:12,533
Speaker 6: do something, or whether you've got some thing in your teeth. Yeah,

858
00:48:12,573 --> 00:48:17,533
Speaker 6: well uh and so look, it's yeah, I'm looking forward

859
00:48:17,573 --> 00:48:19,813
Speaker 6: to doing the last test. As Moose said, could be

860
00:48:19,813 --> 00:48:22,893
Speaker 6: a beauty. We'll wait and see that. We always live

861
00:48:22,933 --> 00:48:26,133
Speaker 6: and hope for those. But I'm looking forward to going

862
00:48:26,173 --> 00:48:30,253
Speaker 6: down to London south of South of the River and

863
00:48:31,093 --> 00:48:32,253
Speaker 6: let's hope for a good match.

864
00:48:35,773 --> 00:48:38,893
Speaker 5: Is that when when Jerry you've got to you've got

865
00:48:38,893 --> 00:48:41,013
Speaker 5: to change your outfits. You've got to look a bit

866
00:48:41,053 --> 00:48:45,053
Speaker 5: like a village idiot to rest of them.

867
00:48:45,493 --> 00:48:46,293
Speaker 3: Put on a bearret.

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