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Speaker 1: So the governments announced it's planning to reintroduce pay docking

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Speaker 1: for partial strikes. Now at the moment, workers can only

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Speaker 1: have their pay dock for full strikes. It used to

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Speaker 1: be for partial strikes as well, but then they are

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Speaker 1: doing government scrapped that in twenty eighteen. Alan McDonald is

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Speaker 1: from the Employers and Manufacturers Association the EMAA.

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Speaker 2: Allen morning, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Is it basically what we've created here by not docking

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Speaker 1: the partial strikes as we're basically incentivized workers to just

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Speaker 1: do the partial strike so they can keep their full pay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we were a bit surprised about the announcement yesterday,

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Speaker 2: but it was one of the things we campaigned quite

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Speaker 2: hard against back in two twenty eighteen. I think they

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Speaker 2: bought it in and the reason for that was that

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Speaker 2: we expected strike action to increase, and that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: Why were you surprised? Did you not ask this government

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Speaker 1: to reverse it?

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Speaker 2: It hasn't been on the agenda anywhere. I mean, they've

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Speaker 2: been doing a number of different things around employment law

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Speaker 2: and stuff and sort of rebalancing some of it. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: this one was a bit of a surprise.

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Speaker 1: Do we now run the risk though, of potentially pushing

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Speaker 1: people who are going to strike into just going on

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Speaker 1: a strike rather than a partial strike.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Strike strike actions generally tend to be

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Speaker 2: a last resort kind of thing what they used to be,

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Speaker 2: But when you're getting paid to go on strike, it's

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Speaker 2: sort of pull them forward a bit. So you know,

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Speaker 2: the workers have the right to withhold their labor, but

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Speaker 2: so do your employers have the right to withhold the

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Speaker 2: pay because generally the agreement is you turn up for work,

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Speaker 2: you get paid. If you don't turn up to do

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Speaker 2: the job you're supposed to do, you don't get paid. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Are people going to get paid for working to rule?

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Speaker 2: Not sure. It looks like a slightly complicated process to

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Speaker 2: do something like that. I don't have to go to

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Speaker 2: the Employment Relations Authority and things like that.

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Speaker 1: So it's a rule, I mean, because allen working to

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Speaker 1: rule is just working to the leader of your contract.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't it literally doing your job? So you should get

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Speaker 1: you full paid for that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah you should?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, brilliant. Hey, thanks very much. I really appreciates

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Speaker 1: Alan McDonald of the EMA.

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