1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Kyota. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. After twenty 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: four years, former National Party leader Judith Collins has called 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: time on her career in politics. 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: For a new role as head of the Law Commission. 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 3: The highs have been high, the lows have been very low, 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 3: and through it all I have been able to do 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: what I do because the unwavering support of my husband 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: David and my son James. I want to thank the 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: Prime Minister for his confidence in me and for trusting 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: me just to get on and do my job. And 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: I want to thank my staff, both political and departmental, 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: and my electricate volunteers. I simply could not have done 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 3: this job without you all. 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: Collins is the longest continuously serving female MP in New Zealand, 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 2: winning her seat in Cleveden and then Papacorta at every 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: general election she has contested since. 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: Two thousand and two. 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's Office has confirmed Collins will remain the 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: MPs of Papacorta, retaining her portfolios until she moves to 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: the Law Commission midyear. 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: So what does her departure. 24 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: Mean for New Zealand politics, who is national lining up 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: for her seat? 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: And when the history books are written, what will Judith 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: Collins be remembered for? 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: Today on the front page News Talk zb's senior political correspondent, 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: Barry Sober is with us to unpack a career defined 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: by survival, scandal, comebacks and crushing presence in New Zealand politics. 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,279 Speaker 1: First off, Barry, what do you make of the news? 32 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 4: Look, it's surprising she's going to the Law Commission and 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 4: giving up a long career in politics, but it shouldn't 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 4: really be all that surprising. She had twenty one years 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: practicing as a lawyer before she came into politics, and 36 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 4: she loves the law. So, just like old Jeffrey Palmer, 37 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 4: the former President of the Law Commission, I think she 38 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 4: will do a superb job. She'll probably humanize it a 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: bit more than what Jeffrey did. Jeffrey was very much 40 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 4: her studious sort of a fellow, and I respect him greatly. 41 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 4: But I think Judi Collins will bring it back to 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: maybe the Law Commission where it should be. Well. 43 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: Over her career as a minister, she's had something like 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 2: eighteen portfolios, and a few of them she's had a 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: couple of times, you know, the police. 46 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: Corrections and stuff like that. Which one do you think 47 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: that she's had packed the most punching, Well. 48 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: The one she's remembered the most for is her police ministry. Yeah, 49 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 4: when she cracked down on the boy races and said 50 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 4: she would crush all their cars, and they passed legislation 51 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: to allow the police to do that. But unfortunately, I 52 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 4: believe that Judith only crushed one car and she was 53 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 4: there for it, standing over it with her stiletto heels 54 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: and it was crushed. So I dubbed her Crush of Colins. 55 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: And funnily enough, it was a name that stuck with 56 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 4: Judith Collins because it sort of personified her image. Really, 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: if you like. 58 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: Coins, I think Barry Soa, I think he's confessed to it. No, 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: I've never used it, but I've never objected if people 60 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: used it, because there's no point in my politics. As 61 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: long as they're calling you something, it's probably better than 62 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: calling you nothing, So I've never worried about it. I 63 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 3: also think it sent a message, so that was quite good. 64 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 4: But underneath that tough, acerbic image was in fact a 65 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: really nice woman, a woman that had a great sense 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: of humor. I shouldn't talk about her in the part 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: that has a great exactly. And you know she's she's been, 68 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 4: I guess, been in the rough and tumble of politics, 69 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 4: probably more more than anyone else in the place at 70 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 4: the moment. I don't forget that. Simon Bridges was rolled 71 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 4: by Todd Muller, who spent fifty three days in the job, 72 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: and then it was taken by Judith Collins. And the 73 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 4: fascinating thing about that was that I think Judith became 74 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 4: a little school marmish in the job because she decided 75 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: that she would discipline Simon Bridges for something he had 76 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 4: said at a function at Premiere House, standing in a 77 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 4: group with a group of people about childbirth, and it 78 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 4: was overheard. And Judith the night before rang me at 79 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 4: home and said, I'm going to discipline Bridges tomorrow. I'll 80 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 4: be holding a press conference with so and so such 81 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 4: and such a time. And I said to her then, 82 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: I said that you discipline Simon Bridges. The only one 83 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 4: that will end up being disciplined is you. And sure 84 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 4: enough she lost her job as a result. 85 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: And I've done everything I possibly could can. I just 86 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: wish everyone well. 87 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 4: Do you write some great last night. Absolutely, so she 88 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 4: overstepped the mark and she now probably regrets the day 89 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: that she did it because the comment was so innocuous. 90 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: And I said to her, what was the comment, Judith, 91 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 4: And she said, look, Barry, I can't tell you. 92 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: Even your wife. 93 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 4: Would discipline Simon Bridges if she'd heard him saying it. Well, 94 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: I know, my wife's seen as a bit of a 95 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: disciplinarian and I've been on the tail end of being 96 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: disciplined by her. But she would have seen it as 97 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 4: being very lighthearted, and that's exactly the way Judith should 98 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 4: have saw it as well. Well. 99 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: Of course, she's not without her own controversies over the years, right. 100 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, many, you know she she's had a tumultuous political life, 101 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: and you know her dear husband had interests in China, 102 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: and there was a big scandal about Judith doing some 103 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 4: favors for the Chinese which were never proven, but nevertheless, 104 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 4: you know, it was a scandal at the time, as 105 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: political things tend to become if somebody is seen to 106 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 4: step out of line unwise. But she's still on her 107 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 4: last chance. 108 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: That's the call from John Key after an email today 109 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 3: revealed Judith Collins gave an Internal Affairs officials details to 110 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: blog at Cameron Slator. 111 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 5: It's the strongest criticism yet of the embattled Justice minister 112 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 5: from her boss, who's facing increasing pressure to sack her. 113 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 5: I think the passing of the private information in terms 114 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 5: of phone numbers, I think that's unwise. It's somewise of 115 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 5: a minister. Look in the end, you know, it's one 116 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 5: of those things. 117 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 4: But she's a survivor. I mean, you know, like you've said, 118 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 4: she had so many portfolios over the years. I think 119 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 4: the one portfolio other than police, because she enjoyed police. 120 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 4: But I think Judith privately would love to have been 121 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 4: a rare admiral or a general out in the field, 122 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 4: a field marshal if you like. Is defense. She loves defense, 123 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: and I'm sure she gets a big kick out of 124 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 4: ordering the generals around and telling them what they should 125 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: and shouldn't do. But don't forget she's the woman also 126 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 4: behind the Defense Department spending much more on defense as 127 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 4: is required internationally these days. With dare I say it? 128 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 4: And I shouldn't say that Donald Trump being in power 129 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 4: in the don't be on about Donald Trump. 130 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: You need to talk about Judah. 131 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. Yeah, you don't want to talk about. 132 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: Donald Trump today. 133 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: At least you are three out exactly. 134 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: So you want to be prime minister. 135 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: Known that you want to be Prime minister at some stage, 136 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: Otherwise you wouldn't put your hand up to be the leader. 137 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: Of the NAT. 138 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: I was taken because I knew that things were being there. 139 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: I didn't have the votes. 140 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: The first time put it up because I didn't like 141 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: Billings just being anointed. It's not jolly world, So what 142 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: are we doing. You should actually have a competition, make 143 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: it worthwhile. And the second time I didn't have the 144 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: numbers then, but I thought, well, I'm the only one 145 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: who's had any experience in opposition, and so I'll show 146 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: you what to do. 147 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: In terms of Judith, and I think she really shines 148 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 2: obviously in those roles the police corrections and defense and 149 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: the veterans, but the one that I see her, you know, 150 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: she becomes lighter, she becomes you know, her aura is 151 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: cleansed when she's speaking about space. I think we had 152 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: her on the podcast Goodness when she got the spaceport 153 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: for of course, he's the first one. 154 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: To have this SAX portfolio. 155 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: And she came into the zoom with a space behind her, 156 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: and she said to infinity and beyond, and the nicest 157 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: that I've seen her and the lightest that I've seen her. 158 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: And I saw that that was one of her achievements 159 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: that she listened. 160 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 4: Exactly as well. And who would ever have thought that 161 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 4: little old New Zealand would have a space ministry. I 162 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 4: certainly wouldn't have thought it. And I go back to 163 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: I remember when there New Zealand did it's inaugural flight 164 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 4: to Vancouver and standing we were in Whistler having a 165 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 4: good time, and I was standing on a podium with 166 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 4: this weird looking chap and said, what do you do 167 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 4: for a living? He said, I'm into rockets. It was 168 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 4: Peter Beck. This is about twenty years ago, and I thought, 169 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 4: you're a weirdo. And look here's Judith Collins, the Minister 170 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: of Space. So you know, New Zealand's come a long 171 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: way in that front. And I say it's marvelous and 172 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 4: let's hope the next space Minister is as stylish. Yeah. 173 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you've been in Parliament and the beehive longer 174 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: than Judas. 175 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: Of course, do you remember when she first came in? No, 176 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: not particularly, what's your first memory of it. 177 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: Oh, probably in the house debating, and you know, she 178 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: she's very clever, and she was always very good debater 179 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 4: and I enjoyed her sense of humor. She wasn't the 180 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 4: best debater in the house, but she was certainly very good. 181 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 4: She knew what to say and how to cut somebody 182 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 4: down and put them in their space. But yeah, I 183 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 4: mean I remember her being around. I remember talking to 184 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 4: her at cabinet, at sorry caucus parties, and she was 185 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: always entertaining, always good fun. And you know, I wish 186 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: her very well. 187 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: For the future. 188 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: How do you think her public persona is different to 189 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: her private persona. 190 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 4: Quite markedly, really, I think, you know, she's very business 191 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 4: like when it comes to politics, and having made mistakes 192 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 4: in the past, she's become, I think, and learned a 193 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 4: lot and become a very good politician. And I think 194 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 4: people say he is a fairly formidable force in politics, 195 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 4: and rightly so. But you know, when you see the 196 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: other side, to the private side, you always get a giggle, 197 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 4: You always have a laugh. She likes a drink, and 198 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 4: you know she's a good sort. 199 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: Yesterday you said, when you're a Minister of Corrections, and 200 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: I want to escape under your watch? 201 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: Is that true? 202 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 3: There was the odd one who might have popped out, 203 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: but they all got caught. 204 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: So so what did you say? 205 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: So why did you say no? I think, Toba, you 206 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: want to actually understand a joke when. 207 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: You hear it, So it's okay to joke about that. 208 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: Just come on, Teva. 209 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 5: Sorry, it's socanamously the public. 210 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: If you're telling a joke. I think you want to 211 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: get your Monty Python right. 212 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 2: When can we when can we determine that you're joking? 213 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 2: And can we determine that you're being factual. 214 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: When my eyebrow goes up to a joke? 215 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: Do you reckon? The National Caucus will miss her this 216 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: come election time. 217 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 4: I think they'll miss her as a person. I think, 218 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: and you know, testament to Judith Collins is a fact 219 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 4: that she got very senior portfolios after she was defeated 220 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: as leader, and you know, and sort of I guess, 221 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 4: not disgrace but embarrassed herself in that position. But nevertheless, 222 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 4: I mean, Chris Luxon clearly saw this woman had great 223 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 4: ability and appointed her to the position or many portfolios 224 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 4: that she currently holds. They'll miss her, but you know, 225 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 4: look there's always somebody behind the next good politician. And 226 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 4: but good ones are I was going to say few 227 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 4: and far between. I don't think they're few and far between. 228 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of good politicians. But those 229 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 4: that are not great, you know, I think they they 230 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 4: are unlike Judith Collins, you know, will reflect on maybe 231 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 4: the loss of her, but those who are more experienced 232 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 4: will look forward to the challenge of taking out the 233 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 4: roles that she held. 234 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Barry. 235 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 4: No problems, my pleasure. 236 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 237 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 238 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: at enziherld dot co dot nz. The Front Page is 239 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: hosted and produced by me Chelsea Daniels. 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