1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: As we've been discussing so far this morning, as winter 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: closes and we worry yet again about whether the lights 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: go on. So the news the gas productions even worse 4 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: than we thought. Production will fall below one hundred peg 5 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: of Jules next year. Previously they thought that wouldn't happen 6 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: till twenty twenty nine. Reserves are down twenty seven percent 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: compared with this time last year. Resources Minister Shane Jones 8 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: is with us. Good morning to you, Good morning. Without 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: re litigating history, you were part of that calamitous collaboration 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: that decided to stop looking for gas in the first place, 11 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: when you sat around the cabinet table and mister Dern 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: thought this was the future. Did you, guys honestly believe 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: that the renewable story would somehow be so far advanced 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: that you could do what you did or were you 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: making it up as you went along? 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: Well, I want to be very clear here. When Jasinda 17 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: and Megan Woods made that decision, that was a decision 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 2: as a captain's call, and a lot of backfilling hap 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: them after that, and many respects, I have to take 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: some responsibility. I stood there and was at no time 21 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: aware of any paperwork reflecting the long term consequences. It 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 2: was a captain's call, reflective of the soft headed, vacuous 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: nature of Jasinda's entire leadership. Styff. 24 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: So you haven't read a book, then. 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: There will be a thousand things that happened before I'm 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: put in the ground, and reading that book will not 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: be one of them. 28 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: As far as solving our problem goes, the money you 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: put aside on the budget to take a stake in 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: whoever wants to go and explore. Is anyone going to explore? 31 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: Is that going to work? Do you think? 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm off to Singapore at the invitation of a 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: variety of people attending a large assembly next week where 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: the investors are getting together, meeting with a couple of 35 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: people who have said informally that they're keen to come 36 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: and do several things, not only charge on and look 37 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: for new opportunities, but work with us to create an 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: import facility. Now it may sound common tractory, but we've 39 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: got to do something in the short term because I 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: know that it's going to take several years before we 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: open up new visitas. And indeed a number of people 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: are keen to come back and have a crackdown on 43 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: the South Island. But it's such a fundamental decision. I 44 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 2: want to make sure that I don't mystery present anything 45 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: on behalf of our society or government. And if people 46 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 2: make a commitment that their investments are protected and they 47 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: can never be squandered by the return of unicorn kissing 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: fairy head ideas that somehow New Zealand by closing down 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: industry is going to save the planet. 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: Good stuff, all right, I appreciate it. Go well, Shane Jones, 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: Resources Minister. I will check them next time I get 52 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: some of it on the program and check out whereas 53 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: LNG idea was. Remember last winter when we went through 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: that they were going to start importing Ellen Jo, I 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: don't know what happened to all of that. For more 56 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: from the mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. 57 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 58 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.