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Speaker 1: In the UK hot seat today, Devin Gray Gavin, very

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Speaker 1: good morning to you. Hi, don't Mike just explain to us.

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Speaker 1: I mean Southport. We all know what happened in the

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Speaker 1: original attack, but it exploded. You got any number of

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Speaker 1: officers injured, you got people in hospital, you got the

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Speaker 1: police dogged. What the hell happened?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, there were rumors on social media that the

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Speaker 2: teenager who was being the main suspect being questioned by

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Speaker 2: police was an illegal migrant. Now we know his parents

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Speaker 2: were from Rwanda, but he was actually born in the

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Speaker 2: UK and Cardiff and then moved to the northwest of

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Speaker 2: England early in his life. And this information the authorities

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Speaker 2: misinformation tried to stamp on, but lots of far right

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Speaker 2: people said, right, we've got to crack down on these illegals.

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Speaker 2: They immediately went to a mosque in Southport began to

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Speaker 2: throw bricks at it, even though they were told this

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Speaker 2: has got nothing to do with that mosco or indeed

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Speaker 2: a terrorist attack or anything like that. There was a

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Speaker 2: bit of a social media call to arms, as it were,

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Speaker 2: I suspect on the far right, and there were people

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Speaker 2: not just from south all that area, but actually from

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Speaker 2: a quite wide area in the UK. Now, I have

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Speaker 2: to tell you Southport tonight is actually tense but quite quiet. However, Mike,

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Speaker 2: believe it or not, there's almost a semi right now

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Speaker 2: outside Downing Street where more people, it would appear from

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Speaker 2: the right wing English Defense League supporters are said to

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Speaker 2: be protesting there. They are very angry at the government

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Speaker 2: not doing enough to stop the small boats, and they

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Speaker 2: are questioning the police saying this has nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with any asylum seeking.

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Speaker 1: And do we have any sense of the motive yet

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Speaker 1: for the seventeen year old.

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Speaker 2: No, and that's going to be absolutely key to I

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Speaker 2: think quelling some of these rumors, and that is why

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Speaker 2: some are getting a little bit critical of the police, saying, look,

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Speaker 2: we really need some more information. But of course, by law,

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Speaker 2: the suspect is under age, so we're not going to

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Speaker 2: be told his name. He's entitled to anonymity in this

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Speaker 2: country and until it actually, if it actually goes to court,

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Speaker 2: you know, we won't know very much at all about it.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's this social media has absolutely burnt

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Speaker 2: like wildfire about the origin of that attack, and it's

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Speaker 2: led to these ruts.

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Speaker 1: How in general terms, Gevin and you go back to

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Speaker 1: Leeds a couple I can't remember. It was a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, whatever it was. How igy is Britain.

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Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't have said it was edgy much, but

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Speaker 2: I have to say, you're in the middle of a

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Speaker 2: heat wave here. It's just before ten at night. It's

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Speaker 2: probably still twenty six twenty seven celsius and that always

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Speaker 2: does tend. I know from my contacts in the police

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Speaker 2: they always say, you know that is always sets people

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Speaker 2: off a little bit. But I didn't think it was

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Speaker 2: too bad. However, there is this massive concern which I

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Speaker 2: don't hang any single politician of the main parties as

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Speaker 2: really grasp how serious people feel about this, and that

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Speaker 2: is migration and the numbers coming into this country, particularly

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Speaker 2: of those that we don't know anything about, and this

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Speaker 2: I think is at the heart of this particular issue.

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Speaker 1: Then we come to hewid would so from Christ I

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Speaker 1: suppose is complete?

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Speaker 2: Yes, very much so. So. Today Hugh Edwards had pleaded

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Speaker 2: guilty to effectively some very very serious offenses. He pleaded

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Speaker 2: guilty to three counts of making indecent images of children.

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Speaker 2: He accessed in decent images of children as young as

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Speaker 2: seven on WhatsApp over a year long period a couple

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Speaker 2: of years back, and police says that they were sent

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Speaker 2: to him by a convicted pedophile. Now it's slightly misleading

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Speaker 2: to say he was found guilty of making indecent images

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Speaker 2: when actually he didn't do anything other than receive and download.

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Speaker 2: But the definition is there and he pleaded guilty. We

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Speaker 2: expect him to be sentenced soon. But plenty of questions

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Speaker 2: here Mike for the BBC, where of course he was

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Speaker 2: their main news presenter and hanker saying what did you

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Speaker 2: know and when and why was he still allowed to

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Speaker 2: be on staff. They are saying we knew he was

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Speaker 2: arrested in November, but if he had physically been charged

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Speaker 2: then he would have been sacked, and he was not

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Speaker 2: charged until he left in April.

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Speaker 1: How would you describe him, Gevin, given we don't get

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Speaker 1: him here obviously? Was he loved and esteemed and this

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Speaker 1: has been just a complete and utter shock or now

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Speaker 1: that we know, do we go A YEA well, that

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Speaker 1: was old human rumors forever as.

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Speaker 2: An outsider to the BBC, a complete and utter shock.

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Speaker 2: He was somebody that held the hand of the nation

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Speaker 2: through the Queen's death. He was the one that announced

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Speaker 2: it to most of the nation on television and also

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Speaker 2: the King's current nation. He's been the general election host

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Speaker 2: as well, so you know, this is somebody who's been

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Speaker 2: huge for the last twenty thirty years now I have

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Speaker 2: presented with you Edwards. He was always very very nice

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Speaker 2: to me. However, you know, there were rumors of a

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Speaker 2: difficult side to him, somebody that could be, you know,

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Speaker 2: verging on being very difficult to work with. As I said,

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Speaker 2: I never found that, but certainly those are one or

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Speaker 2: two people coming forward now with those allegations as.

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Speaker 1: A pleasure might go. Well, we'll catch up against him

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Speaker 1: and Gray out of the UK for us this morning.

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