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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Ryan Bridge on Hither Duplicy, Ellen Drey with one

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Speaker 2: New Zealand coverage like no one else you saw said

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Speaker 3: After noon ed is seven after four on your Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Coming up on the show. Nichola Willis on the surplus

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Speaker 3: and growth, Where and when are they? Cameron Bagger gives

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Speaker 3: his take. After sixth evening, We'll speak to the Aussie

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Speaker 3: woman at the bedside of our Bondai Beach hero Fortnightly

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Speaker 3: rubbish collection coming for Auckland whether actually still debating. We'll

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Speaker 3: keep you updated. The lawyer who groped Summer Clarks gets

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Speaker 3: his practicing certificate back, and what's up with trade Me's revenue?

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Speaker 3: Right down, Ryan Bridge, Nice to have your company. Nine

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Speaker 3: two nine two is the number to text. Well, of

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Speaker 3: course you heard it here first last Monday. Pretty much

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Speaker 3: the surplus has been pushed out again. It's like waiting

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Speaker 3: for Christmas when you're ten years old. You know how

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Speaker 3: long December feels like when you are ten years old

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Speaker 3: and eternity, and that's what it's like waiting for this

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Speaker 3: surplus to come. This lot of now pushed it out

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Speaker 3: three times and changed the definition of surplus. Not only

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Speaker 3: have we moved the goalposts, we've also loaded them. Next

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Speaker 3: year's deficit is almost fourteen billion dollars. That's one point

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Speaker 3: eight billion worse than they thought it would be back

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Speaker 3: in May. We're not back into the black until twenty

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Speaker 3: happens when you borrow a bunch of money that you

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Speaker 3: your way out of it. Basically, Grant Robertson went out

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Speaker 3: there with our credit card and bought a brand new

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Speaker 3: She's promising. She has promised to get us some more

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Speaker 3: work to pay for the debt, so we won't go broke.

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Speaker 3: That extra work hasn't quite happened yet, so here we are.

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Speaker 3: The good news is that it is coming. They tell

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Speaker 3: us more than three percent next year in theory, all

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Speaker 3: going to plan, and Willis is promising to get the

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Speaker 3: surplus back by twenty twenty nine, even if the books

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Speaker 3: don't quite show that yet. I think this is enough

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Speaker 3: to get them reelected. Yes, it's bad, and I'll get

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Speaker 3: some bad headlines today, but enough to get them re elected,

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Speaker 3: providing no surprises from Winston because people know what the

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Speaker 3: alternative is, and that's more debt on ghost visits to

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Speaker 3: the doctor for billionaires who don't need it. With GPS

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Speaker 3: we don't have. Yes, they could please hooton sl and

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Speaker 3: slash spending. I'd be here for a bit of that,

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Speaker 3: but this is MMP. They are unashamedly a centrist party

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Speaker 3: that needs to win the center, and winning the center

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Speaker 3: means not spooking the horses, which is what massive cuts

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Speaker 3: would achieve. So another fiscal result we were mostly expecting,

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Speaker 3: telling us what we mostly knew was coming, Like the

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Speaker 3: last two polls of the year, though the pre Christmas

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Speaker 3: Rich n minutes after four, we've got a new We're

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Speaker 3: getting a new MB I should say a new superministry

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Speaker 3: Regions and Transport. It rolls several portfolios into one, replacing

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Speaker 3: Bishop is the Minister for Housing, Transport, Infrastructure and RMA

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Speaker 3: reform and joins me. Now, Minister, good afternoon, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Do you lose some job titles if you're the minister

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Speaker 3: of this big superministry.

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Speaker 4: No, the portfolios are separate, and that's ultimately over to

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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister. But it's I think it'd be fair

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Speaker 4: to say that my experience and those portfolios has helped,

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Speaker 3: So one agency, but will still have lots of ministers.

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Speaker 3: Is that not a bit dumb? Well, it will.

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Speaker 4: It will have a range of ministers depending on who

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Speaker 4: be the case. But if you think about the great

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Speaker 4: all of these functions are actually they fit together right,

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Speaker 4: So you can't do housing without planning reform, which we're

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Speaker 4: Now that's driven out of MF at the moment, but

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Speaker 4: what we're creating, which you know inserts a.

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Speaker 3: It's a working title.

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Speaker 4: We weighed up where as you call it meth We

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Speaker 4: decided against that Ministry of Environment, Transport in Housing, but

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Speaker 4: we decided that wouldn't be very good idea.

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Speaker 3: At least you could have gone at least you could

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Speaker 3: But then why not just have one minister looking after it?

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Speaker 3: Or isn't part of the problem we have in this

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Speaker 4: I am the minister looking after it, and you know,

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Speaker 4: the others for others to judge as how we're going,

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Speaker 4: but I think we're making a real progress on all

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Speaker 3: So in terms of cost savings, are we going to

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Speaker 4: Yes, we are. The driver is not so much about

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Speaker 4: all of these ministries have their own payrolls. For example,

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Speaker 4: so you'd expect there to be some efficiencies. Exactly how

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Speaker 4: we will clearly expect some efficiencies on the way through.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you've given the example of the curl missed opportunity

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Speaker 4: So I would expect integrated advice around the environmental impacts

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Speaker 4: one related to city railing, so that the real benefits

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Speaker 4: and the frequency of those trains. But to do that

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Speaker 4: you need to make sure that the level crossings that

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Speaker 3: Only now are we getting on with that level So

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Speaker 3: all of this will be taken care of by this

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Speaker 3: mega ministry. What about the council? Where does Wayne Brown

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Speaker 3: What happens there?

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Speaker 4: It means that Wayne Brown and other councils around the

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Speaker 4: to all of these issues. That is actually a massive

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Speaker 4: night actually at at an infrastructure dinner, and she was saying, look,

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Speaker 4: it's a complete nightmare at the moment. If we want

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Speaker 4: to go and talk to the government around around planning,

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Speaker 4: around housing, around our transport connections, we're going to talk

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Speaker 4: to like four different agencies.

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Speaker 3: Now you know, is that possible? Of course it is?

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Speaker 3: Is it efficient?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: Would they prefer to deal with one agency?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: The absolutely the way. What one final question. You've made

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Speaker 3: But the housing shortage that we have, how many a

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Speaker 3: textas has just said, can you tell Biship we don't

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Speaker 3: have a housing deficit in this country for God's sakes,

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Speaker 3: that we've got them coming out our ears, we can't

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Speaker 3: sell them quick enough. How many are we short?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to put a number on it,

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Speaker 4: but I just put this to you. We have one

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Speaker 4: and I think we will we will have housing beck

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Speaker 4: is affordable, and it's clearly not at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Hang on, So how many are we short? Well, it

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Speaker 3: depends on where you are.

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Speaker 4: If you're in Auckland or Wellington, your whole country, you're

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Speaker 4: any number of many, many thousands, many number of thousands

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Speaker 4: of home short because we haven't built enough over the

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Speaker 4: last thirty years and the RMA is a big reason

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Speaker 3: So we're not quite sure how many we're short. What

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Speaker 3: should the price be? You said they need to come

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Speaker 3: down a lot. How much is a lot?

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Speaker 4: Well, I've talked in the past around having a house

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Speaker 4: price to income ratio of around three to five to one.

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Speaker 4: That's not the case at the moment in Auckland. It's

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Speaker 4: you know, around seven or eight to one. In Queenstown,

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Speaker 4: it's like eleven or twelve or maybe even thirteen to

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Speaker 4: now we're not I'm not proposing that we have a

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Speaker 4: massive house price crash. That would be that would be

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Speaker 4: very bad for the economy. But we need to make

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Speaker 4: housing more affordable over time, and it's a long term

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Speaker 4: goal of this government to make housing more affordable. It's

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Speaker 4: one of the single best things we can do to

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 3: Minister, appreciate your time this afternoon. Thank you. That is

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Speaker 3: the Minister for Housing, Transport, Infrastructure and RMA Reform, Chris Bishop.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, Darce, good afternoon. The third Ashes Test tomorrow, isn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Highly likely.

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Speaker 7: Haha.

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Speaker 6: They're not being practicing, They're not being they just don't

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Speaker 1: Do you know Piers Morgan?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Ye're not a big fan of Piers Morgan's to

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Speaker 6: They've looked down upon England and go, you can't take

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Speaker 6: There's a three golf there's actually four events, back on

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Speaker 3: Golf coming out our ears. Absolutely it is.

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Speaker 3: Brilliant looking forward to it. Darcy Waldergrave, sports talk host

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Speaker 3: seven o'clock tonight News Talk, said, be you can catch

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 3: There'd be for twenty four news talks. They'd be Ryan

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Speaker 3: the half yearly economic fiscal update after six this evening.

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Speaker 3: After four thirty news, We're going to cross to Mariolds

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Speaker 10: The reasons why they went to the Philippines and the

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Speaker 11: Younger male contained IED's but I also confirmed that it

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Speaker 2: Beat the d's newsmakers talk to Ryan first, Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 3: Twenty five five Newstalks. After five, Well, Nikola Willis take responsibility,

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Speaker 3: That's what Labour wants her to do. We will ask her.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news dogs, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: Across the Pairsman. Then Aussies are tightening up gun laws.

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Speaker 9: Reform in New South Wales.

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Speaker 12: I'm determined to bring in the toughest gun laws in

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Speaker 12: The consideration that will take place includes limiting the number

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Speaker 3: Right, let's go to the United States. Still haven't found

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Speaker 11: This is a very active investigation, very complex investigation, and

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Speaker 3: Finally this afternoon, so cardiologists in the United States have

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Speaker 3: come up with an age limit for shoveling snow. As

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Speaker 3: Here we end, but the pressing.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old was with us out of Australia. Murray, good afternoon, Hi,

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Speaker 3: right into you now, there's just update us on the

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Speaker 13: It's different for country people. They need to go out

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Speaker 13: They're going to look at tightening who can own guns.

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Speaker 13: So they're gonna limit gun numbers. We think they're going

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Speaker 13: So heaven only knows what they're going to do. John Howard,

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Speaker 13: and said, listen, do not let this government use tighter

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Speaker 13: gun laws as a smoke screen, as a diversion to

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Speaker 13: distract from their lack of action to combat anti Semitism.

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Speaker 13: He was very strong on this, and I mean Albany's

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Speaker 13: under a lot of pressure. Elbow's in a lot of

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Speaker 13: pressure for failing to really curb this explosion. It's the

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Speaker 13: only way to describe it in anti semitism, fire bomb

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Speaker 13: attacks on homes, on synagogues, and John Howard made the

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Speaker 13: point this can happen Sunday, can happen when the forces

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Speaker 13: of hatred are allowed to spread and grow unchecked. So

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Speaker 13: watch that space as well. Albany's on a bit of pressure.

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Speaker 13: They're going to be scrambling now to get something together.

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Speaker 3: One percent a similar thing happened here after we had

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Speaker 3: Mosque shootings Murray, and everyone said, well, you're just covering

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Speaker 3: up for the failing of the fact that guy could

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Speaker 3: get a gun in the first place. You know, he

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Speaker 3: shouldn't have been allowed to, but did and rules were broken.

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Speaker 3: What about the Philippines trip. What's happening here?

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Speaker 14: What do we know?

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Speaker 13: Well, the ABC reported this early today this morning, and

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Speaker 13: now the ABC reporting that it's been confirmed by an

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Speaker 13: anonymous source in the security industry. Yes, father and son

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Speaker 13: went to the Philippines in November. The Astralian Federal Polices

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Speaker 13: on the case. Here speculation they flew to Manila and

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Speaker 13: then went down to the Southern Philippines and actually had

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Speaker 13: some military training with a group down there that's banned

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Speaker 13: in this country. Apparently. See I know nothing about this,

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Speaker 13: but when ISIS was chased out of the Middle East,

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Speaker 13: apparently they went down and set up a Southeast Asian

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Speaker 13: branch in the Southern Philippines and Minta. Now I think

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Speaker 13: so anyway, that's the line of an active line of inquiry.

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Speaker 13: Now that The Sun, by the way, was interviewed in

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Speaker 13: twenty nineteen by ASIO, which is our domestic security agency,

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Speaker 13: about his connections to members of an ISIS cell that

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Speaker 13: Aisne was operating in Sydney. They busted the cell, but

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Speaker 13: this kid fell through the obviously fell through the cracks

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Speaker 13: and by the way, in the car that father and

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Speaker 13: son left at Bondi before they began their murderous, bloody rampage,

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Speaker 13: police have found ISIS flags and some improvised explosive devices

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Speaker 13: that did not go off. So you know, on the

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Speaker 13: primer face that you think, wow, how the hell of that?

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Speaker 13: You know, I mean, is this not being flagged? And

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Speaker 13: I know it's easy to sit here and criticize them

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Speaker 13: the wake of what happened, but you just think, well,

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Speaker 13: heaven's above, he's a guy who's been investigated once after

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Speaker 13: the Philippines. What are you going there for with that?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Okay, yeah, what side's saying whatever? I mean, you just

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Speaker 13: you expect more. Perhaps it's unrealistic to expect more, Ryan,

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Speaker 13: but your buddy, well do I.

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Speaker 3: Think that's absolutely reasonable to expect more, especially when your muddy,

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Speaker 3: your your buddies with a with an ISIS guy you

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Speaker 3: know who's now in prison. All right, must thanks that

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Speaker 3: that's Murray Old's out of Australia. Seventeen minutes away from five. Ryan,

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Speaker 3: they've been talking about the massacre in Parliament and New

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Speaker 3: Zealand today. We'll get to Barry Soper on that in

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Speaker 3: a second. On the rubbish, Wow, lots of you've got

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Speaker 3: opinions on the rubbish, Ryan. We have fortnightly rubbish collection

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Speaker 3: in Blenhim and it stinks, especially on hot summer's day. Ryan,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what is a mother of a one

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Speaker 3: year old The flies and the smell of a binful

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Speaker 3: of nappies after a few hot days is stomach churning.

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Speaker 3: I hate to think what would happen after two weeks. Well,

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Speaker 3: perhaps someone in Blenham can let us know. Or christ Church,

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Speaker 3: Ellie says Ryan. Why can't Aucklanders get their red bins

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Speaker 3: collected fortnightly? Here in christ Church we've been alternating weeks

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Speaker 3: with red and yellow bins. Get with the program, also,

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Speaker 3: start composting. No, I don't want to, Ellie, Okay, I

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Speaker 3: don't want I'm busy, got other things going on. What

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Speaker 3: are you doing with the rest of your life? You

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Speaker 3: know someone here on the North, Shaw says north shraw

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Speaker 3: Bean fortnighte for ages you knob keep up. I did

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Speaker 3: not know that. To be fair, all I knew is

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Speaker 3: that on the North Shore just a lot of smelly people.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: News talk zbat is fourteen minutes away from five. This

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Speaker 3: person says north shraw bins are collected weekly only the

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Speaker 3: recycling bins are collected fortnightly. So who was the knob

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Speaker 3: that messaged in it? Anyway, let's move on. Barry sophis

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Speaker 3: here singing your political correspondent, Barry Good Afternoon, afternoon run.

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Speaker 3: So they've been talking about the Sydney massacre in Parliament

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Speaker 3: this afternoon.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got to say it was a moving start

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Speaker 8: to Parliament today with the Prime Minister himself moving emotion

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Speaker 8: on the Jewish massacre and Bondo Beach. I thought all

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Speaker 8: the speeches were poignant and reflected the mood of most

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Speaker 8: of us at the moment. Chris Luxon. He was followed

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Speaker 8: by Labour's Chris Hopkins and then the Greens Chloe Swarbrick.

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Speaker 15: Here they are people were shot dead on a beach

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Speaker 15: on Sunday just for being Jewish. Anti Semitism is one

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Speaker 15: of the oldest forms of hatred and history, and it

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Speaker 15: remains one of the most dangerous. It mutates, it disguises itself,

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Speaker 15: but its impact is always the same, fair exclusion and dehumanization.

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Speaker 15: As Prime Minister and Leader of the National Party, I

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Speaker 15: stand in solidarity with the Jewish community which feels shaken

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Speaker 15: and erable right now, and I say to the community,

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Speaker 15: you belong here, you are valued here, and we will

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Speaker 15: protect you.

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Speaker 16: Terrorism is designed to divide us, it is designed to

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Speaker 16: turn us against each other. It's designed to create more polarization.

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Speaker 16: The terrorist attacks are nothing to do with immigration. They

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Speaker 16: are terrorist attacks and they should always be called out

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Speaker 16: as exactly that. That kind of hatefulness should never be

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Speaker 16: confused with any legitimate debates that are taking place around

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Speaker 16: world events. They should never be blamed on anyone other

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Speaker 16: than the people who did them, which are the terrorists.

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Speaker 5: We condemn the murder of fifteen innocent people. A child, parents, friends, partners,

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Speaker 5: human beings practicing their faith and their values. It is

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Speaker 5: the work of us here on earth to build that

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Speaker 5: real safety. This means understanding that all of our fate

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Speaker 5: on this little planet is interconnected. Mister speaker, We need

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Speaker 5: each other more than that We are each other, and

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Speaker 5: that is the light that we must carry into the darkness.

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Speaker 3: Well, what about the from the river to the sea.

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Speaker 8: As you mentioned that, Chloe Swarbrick has been name checked,

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Speaker 8: of course, sir, ever since this massacre broke out. Were terrible,

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Speaker 8: but there wasn't a Palestinian scarf on any of the

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Speaker 8: Greens backs today and they made sure of that and

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Speaker 8: the MP stood for a minute silence out of respect

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Speaker 8: for the people that were killed in the massacre.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's nice, that's good to hear. Right, our treasuries.

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Speaker 3: We had the hayfu come out, and the growth is

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Speaker 3: and well not great. I mean it gets there, but

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Speaker 3: not great now and death levels rising in the short

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Speaker 3: term all.

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Speaker 8: I think the government spent a lot of time talking

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Speaker 8: this down, didn't they. Nikola Willis did so we weren't

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Speaker 8: expect in great things and we knew, I think that

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Speaker 8: the surplus would be pushed out another year. So you know,

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Speaker 8: it's about what we thought would happen today. And I

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Speaker 8: looked at the debt levels of other countries compared to GDP,

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Speaker 8: and of course New Zealand is actually at the lower

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Speaker 8: end in terms of the forty forty five percent. And

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Speaker 8: look at Australias it's a lot higher than ours, and

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Speaker 8: most other countries in the OECD are as well. So

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Speaker 8: even though the figures sound big in New Zealand, when

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Speaker 8: you look internationally they are pretty reasonable really. The debate

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Speaker 8: on the economy spilled over into the House this afternoon,

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Speaker 8: with the argument coming down to the cost of a

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Speaker 8: marmite sandwich, something Chris Luxon said kids should have in

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Speaker 8: their school lunch along with an apple. Here they are,

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Speaker 8: with the last question coming from David Seymour.

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Speaker 16: Is it cheaper or more expensive now to make a

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Speaker 16: marmite sandwich than it was at the beginning of this year.

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Speaker 15: Well, the good news is that food inflation, as that

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Speaker 15: member will have seen, has fallen to four point four

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Speaker 15: percent today. It's a third month in a row it's

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Speaker 15: come down and it's a hell of a lot lower

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Speaker 15: than what it was at twelve and a half percent

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Speaker 15: under that Prime Minister.

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Speaker 16: Is he not aware that the price of buying a

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Speaker 16: loaf of bread is up fifty percent in just the

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Speaker 16: last year. The price of a marmite sandwich is significantly

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Speaker 16: more expensive than it was when he told parents to

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Speaker 16: go out and buy marmite and bread and butter and

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Speaker 16: make their.

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Speaker 3: Kids a sandwich. Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 15: I love the way that the member has got an

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Speaker 15: analysis on the cost of a mumhite sandwich, but actually

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Speaker 15: couldn't work out where sixty six billion dollars that he

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Speaker 15: spent during COVID went gotn't even be bothered to show

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Speaker 15: up to a COVID inquiry.

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Speaker 17: Can the Prime Minister confirm that the government's healthy school

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Speaker 17: lunch program is being done for half the price that

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Speaker 17: it was done under the previous government, with the same

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Speaker 17: return rate for the meals. And doesn't it seem strange

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Speaker 17: that labors say they want cheaper food, but when we

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Speaker 17: give it to them they don't want that either.

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Speaker 3: Good point. So he did have the last and it's whitebread,

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Speaker 3: isn't it's up forty FIUs. That's right, so you could

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Speaker 3: step by the brown but it's probably just as expensive. Barry,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much for that. Good to see you

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Speaker 3: as always. Barry's Soupernews Talks, MB senior political correspondent, just

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Speaker 3: gone eight minutes away from five. By the way, Peggy Burrows,

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Speaker 3: who's the principal at the school with the moldy lunches,

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Speaker 3: we have an update. I'll give it to you at

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Speaker 3: five twenty five News Talks MB the.

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Speaker 2: Headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: Questions are of course being raised about possible intelligence failings.

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Speaker 18: Now Doctor Michael Zacculin is the senior lecturer of Terrorism

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Speaker 18: and Radicalization at the Australian National University. And you're deciding

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Speaker 18: he was not a threat in retrospect was a massive misjudgment?

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Speaker 1: How did they get it so wrong?

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Speaker 19: Well, you have to think into account the Fagon. They're

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Speaker 19: probably watching dozens and dozens of people, So basically you

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Speaker 19: have to make decisions about who you believe is the

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Speaker 19: most relevant threat at that time, and in this case,

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Speaker 19: the didn't meet that criteria. And unfortunately, this is something

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Speaker 19: that we've seen time and time again after these individuals

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Speaker 19: are known.

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Speaker 2: Hither duplicy Ellen on the mic, hosting Breakfast Fact tomorrow at.

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Speaker 1: Six am with Bailey's real estate on News Talks Dead b.

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Speaker 3: Five to five years talks. Have we got an update

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Speaker 3: yet on the rubbish situation the Fortnightly rubbish collection in Auckland. No,

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Speaker 3: still waiting there. They're fiercely debating going to a fortnightly

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Speaker 3: trial in Auckland. But as I am speaking to you.

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Speaker 3: The texts are flooding in from people who already do

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Speaker 3: fortnightly and it's actually creating some very serious health and

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Speaker 3: safety issues for people out there. This is from Sue.

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Speaker 3: Sue says, we're on a fortnightly here in New Plymouth.

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Speaker 3: You need good trampoline skills to tramp down on the rubbish.

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Speaker 3: Definitely no nappies and definitely are under forty five years old,

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Speaker 3: like your snow shovelers in the US. Due to health

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Speaker 3: and safety issues because it is who was the Jason Gunn?

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Speaker 3: Where was the Jason Gunn who was bouncing on his

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Speaker 3: rubbish and his wheely bin to try and get it

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Speaker 3: down and broke us back? Remember that, I'm sure it

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Speaker 3: was Jason Gunn. And so they always say be very careful,

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Speaker 3: and my mum has always said to be very careful

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Speaker 3: when you're jumping on your rubbish. Guess what you shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have to jump on your rubbish. Okay, you should have

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Speaker 3: a bigger bin. We should all have massive bins and

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Speaker 3: they should be collected weekly. It's how life should be. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll keep you up to date with what's happening there.

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Speaker 3: Another person here says. Chris says, just going back and

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Speaker 3: time to the seventies, sixties and seventies when everyone used

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Speaker 3: to use cloth nappies and wash them by hand, and

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Speaker 3: he remembers them being hung on washing lines outside people's houses.

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Speaker 3: That's why places like Newland's and Wellington, I think they

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Speaker 3: used to call them Nappyville or nappy Valley. I think

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Speaker 3: they were called because you would come over the hill

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Speaker 3: and all the families and the state houses would have

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Speaker 3: their nappies hanging on the clotheslines. I mean washed, not

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Speaker 3: dirty buns, not muddied buns hanging on the clothesline. So

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Speaker 3: that's you know, heins the name. Now it's all just

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Speaker 3: plastered thrown into bins. There you go. We'll let you

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Speaker 3: know what happens with Auckland. Nicola Willis, the Finance Minister,

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Speaker 3: joins us after five News Talks B.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions.

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Speaker 2: We'll get the answers, find the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge on hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New

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Speaker 2: Zealand and the power of satellite Mobile News Talks B.

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Speaker 3: Good evening seven after five we have a resolution to

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Speaker 3: the rubbers situation. We'll get to that in a set. First,

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Speaker 3: the government's going to stay in debt longer than it

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Speaker 3: thought it would back in May. This is the hayfer

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Speaker 3: that's come out today. The surplus delayed again for another

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Speaker 3: year out twenty thirty. We won't start paying down our

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Speaker 3: debt in this country until then. Growth is coming on

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Speaker 3: but slower than expected. So back points six percent four

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Speaker 3: twenty four to twenty five, Ford, three point three for

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Speaker 3: twenty five twenty six, and three percent for twenty six

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Speaker 3: twenty seven, Tariffs, inflation, tourism, numbers, population, all contributing factors.

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis is the Finance Minister. Good evening, Good evening,

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Speaker 3: Do you take responsibility for our lackluster growth?

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Speaker 20: I take responsibility for turning it around, and what we

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Speaker 20: have shared in today's forecasts is accelerating growth next year,

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Speaker 20: low inflation growth throughout the forecast period, two hundred and

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Speaker 20: seventy thousand jobs being created, low interest rates in all

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Speaker 20: the conditions for New Zealanders to get ahead.

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Speaker 3: Labour wants you to take responsibility for the fact that

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Speaker 3: we haven't had significant or meaningful growth in the last year.

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Speaker 3: You've been the Minister of Growth all that time, do

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Speaker 3: you take accountability well?

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Speaker 20: In Treasury's assessment, are the effect of Donald Trump's tariff

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Speaker 20: announcement in April our economy was significant, and of course

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Speaker 20: it came off the back of what was already a

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Speaker 20: difficult recovery following Labour's period of sky high inflation and

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Speaker 20: the very high interest rates that were used to arrest that.

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Speaker 20: It's significant that even in the midst of that, the

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Speaker 20: government has taken pro growth measures, including, for example, the

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Speaker 20: Investment boost tax policy to encourage business investment, moves to

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Speaker 20: replace the Resource Management Act, to cap rates, to ensure

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Speaker 20: that we can deliver more housing, to boost tourism. We've

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Speaker 20: been at it as a government taking pro growth measures

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Speaker 20: and maintaining fiscal discipline, which is something that you won't

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Speaker 20: hear Labor talking about.

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Speaker 3: So when it comes to pushing the surplus out, and

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Speaker 3: this says basically, you won't achieve it when you have

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Speaker 3: the fiscal intention that you want to achieve it. But

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Speaker 3: you're saying you will stick to twenty twenty nine not

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Speaker 3: twenty thirty. How do you do that when the books

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Speaker 3: say you can?

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Speaker 20: Well, afourcas do show us reaching a surplus over this

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Speaker 20: period and the question is whether we get there in

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Speaker 20: twenty nine or twenty thirty. The twenty nine deficit that's

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Speaker 20: being forecast relative is very small, and so I remain

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Speaker 20: confident that we can get there. What that will take

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Speaker 20: is just a small revision to the growth upwards combined

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Speaker 20: with fiscal discipline, and those are two things that our

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Speaker 20: government has committed to. So we're sticking to our surplus target.

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Speaker 3: You've committed to keeping new borrowing to two point four

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Speaker 3: billion dollars next year. Given we're not bringing in as

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Speaker 3: much cash as we had hoped, would it not be

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Speaker 3: prudent to cut that figure further?

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Speaker 20: No, because that is what is required to ensure we

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Speaker 20: can make the investments needed to increase health service delivery,

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Speaker 20: to ensure our schools have the resources they need to

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Speaker 20: pay their teachers and delivered learning, that our police have

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Speaker 20: the resources they need on the front line, and to

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Speaker 20: continue our build and defense force capability. It's a very

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Speaker 20: small number, though relative to recent budgets ran to give

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Speaker 20: you a sense of context, in the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 20: budget under the previous government, new operating spending was nine

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Speaker 20: point seven billion a year. We're proposing two point four.

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Speaker 20: So this is a much more modest level of spending

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Speaker 20: than was the case under the previous government, and we

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Speaker 20: can achieve it by continuing our rigor around, constantly finding

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Speaker 20: savings and efficiency.

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Speaker 3: There's a vicious cycle thing that happens here, isn't there?

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Speaker 3: When the economy does bad, people leave. When people leave,

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Speaker 3: we can't tax them. Fifty thousand fewer taxpayers in the

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Speaker 3: country than expect it. How do you turn that? How

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Speaker 3: long does it take to turn that around?

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Speaker 20: Well, I was really pleased to see the most recent

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Speaker 20: update from Stats which showed the number of people leaving

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Speaker 20: is actually the lowest in three years, and so that

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Speaker 20: is starting to turn around. On the latest stats, the

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Speaker 20: census starter updated the underlying assumptions on population, and yes

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Speaker 20: that is slightly lower. But I'm confident that as our

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Speaker 20: economy recovers, as there are more jobs available which is

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Speaker 20: being forecast, as there's more growth and comes arising, that

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Speaker 20: more new Zealanders will see they can have a great

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Speaker 20: future here and they will choose to stay.

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Speaker 3: You've said in your speech today there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of things the government can't control. Do you as a

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Speaker 3: party and labor both need to be a little more

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Speaker 3: honest with new Zealanders about what it is you actually

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Speaker 3: can fix in what you can't, because I feel like

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Speaker 3: we're getting taken for a ride. One of you says

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Speaker 3: we will get we will fix this, the other says

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Speaker 3: we will fix that, and actually then you turn around

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Speaker 3: when the books come out and say it's not fixable,

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Speaker 3: it's not in our hands.

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Speaker 20: Well, I disagree with that. I do think there is

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Speaker 20: a lot that we can control. We can control our

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Speaker 20: discretionary spending decisions and the impact that has on inflation

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Speaker 20: and therefore interest rates. I stand by our track record

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Speaker 20: in that regard. We can control whether the policies we

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Speaker 20: deliver are pro growth or anti growth. And in that sense,

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Speaker 20: we've said yes to replacing the Resource Management Act. We've

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Speaker 20: said yes to tax relief, we've said yes to backing businesses,

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Speaker 20: which are all the things consistent with supporting growth in

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Speaker 20: this economy. On the other hand, my opponents on the

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Speaker 20: other side consistently say no to those things, and so

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Speaker 20: they have to take responsibility for those positions.

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Speaker 3: Minister, appreciate your time. That's Nicola Willis. Finance Minister Cameron

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Speaker 3: Baggriy his reaction after six News talks. Ab Ryan Breed

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Speaker 3: twelve after five Upmed Al Upmed you know the name,

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Speaker 3: Syrian father. Hero took the gun off the bad guy

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Speaker 3: at Bondi Beach. He's now recovering in hospital and he

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Speaker 3: shared a video. It's been translated. He's thanking the public

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Speaker 3: for the massive outpouring of support. Honestly, I don't even

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Speaker 3: know what to say to you.

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Speaker 9: I went through such a stage truly by God's will

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Speaker 9: and thank God.

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Speaker 3: Lubaba al Hmed al Kahil is with the Australians for

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Speaker 3: Syria Association and visited Upmed Ahmed and hospital. As she

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Speaker 3: joins me, now, good evening, good evening, thanks for you. Now,

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Speaker 3: how is our friend? How's our hero doing in hospital?

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Speaker 21: H he is recovering, but he was sad when I

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Speaker 21: saw him. He was in a great band. You know

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Speaker 21: that his injury in his arms. He got shot there.

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Speaker 21: He was shot there in his arm. And yeah, he

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Speaker 21: still needs to operation. He had one yesterday and he

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Speaker 21: still needs to and he will not recover before six months.

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Speaker 21: He will need about six months. That's what the doctor

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Speaker 21: said yesterday.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling the bubble, because you know, there's

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Speaker 3: obviously a lot going on with social media at the moment,

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Speaker 3: what is it like to be you know, you represent

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Speaker 3: the Australians Fasiria. Is are you noticing this racism and stuff?

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Speaker 3: Or is everybody being quite friendly?

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Speaker 21: Was the situation, to be honest with you, when everyone

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Speaker 21: was watching the news In the beginning, we were very

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Speaker 21: worried that as usual now as Muslims will be accused

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Speaker 21: of being terrorists and that we did this and we

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Speaker 21: did that. But later on when we found out that

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Speaker 21: the brave man who rushed to help was a Muslim Syrian,

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Speaker 21: we are a lot comed and feel happy that thankfully,

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Speaker 21: I mean he saved all of us, not only the

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Speaker 21: people who were in Bondai Beach.

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Speaker 3: You think he saved all Arabs in Australia.

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Speaker 21: Not only as all Muslims all over the world. Because yes,

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Speaker 21: and actually for me, he saved every peaceful human being,

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Speaker 21: because usually we are accused while in a city that

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Speaker 21: has multiculture and people. Yesterday on Bondai Beach there were

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Speaker 21: people from different cultures, different religions, different countries. But who

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Speaker 21: was the one who rushed to help, who endangered himself?

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Speaker 21: He was the Muslim one, right, so he proved that

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Speaker 21: we are not terrorists.

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Speaker 3: Lubaba I appreciate you being with me tonight. I thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. Alhamid Alcahol. She's with Australians for Syria

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Speaker 3: Association across the Tasman just gone quarter past five. More

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Speaker 3: information coming to hand. This is just in the last

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Speaker 3: the father and son took. It was only in last

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Speaker 3: doing there? Police are obviously asking questions about that. But

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Speaker 3: just in the last couple of minutes we've learned that

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Speaker 3: they were traveling on Indian passports, which is confusing people.

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Speaker 3: So they traveled there. That both of them arrived from

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Speaker 3: your what else do you get done? I'm just thinking

865
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: back to pilates. I get pilates on acc because they've

866
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: got a bad back. Now should I be getting that?

867
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: Well maybe I won't be. Next year we'll find out.

868
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 3: Let's go to Aukland. A plan to trial fortnightly rubbish

869
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: collection in parts of the city is now dead.

870
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 22: Put it in the bin, not going to do two weeks,

871
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 22: that's what That's what we've got to We should be

872
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 22: talking about some of the things that really matter about this.

873
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 22: When are we going to start incinerating our rubbish? When

874
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 22: are we going to do something about landfall. We are

875
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 22: gonna do something important. What are you wordsmithing all the

876
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 22: bloody time?

877
00:44:59,600 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 23: Should I?

878
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: I hate that?

879
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 3: Daniel Newman is an organ city councilor and he joins

880
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: us now, Daniel, good evening, good afternoon. Ryan, sounds like

881
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: Wayne's happy. This is all done and dusted.

882
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 24: Well, it's done to a point, but not dusted. Unfortunately,

883
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 24: the trial is dead, but the waste management minimization plan continues,

884
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 24: despite some of us trying our very best. The existing

885
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 24: plan is still premised on moving to a fortnightly rubbish

886
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 24: collection service in the future, and so Aucklanders can expect

887
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 24: that Auckland Council will try and some of us will

888
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 24: try and permanently move the whole region to a weekly

889
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 24: service next year when the matter comes up and we'll

890
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 24: have to consult on it. Then it's very painful. But yes,

891
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 24: the trial's gone.

892
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 3: Who wrote so? Who's written this thing that? Why can't

893
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: we just change that document so they don't have to

894
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: keep coming back to it.

895
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 24: Because we are advised it's very frustrating. We are advised

896
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 24: that because the current plan is based on the existing

897
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 24: proposition of a fortnightly service in the future. If you

898
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 24: wish to move to a permanent region wide weekly rubbish

899
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 24: collection service. That is a change that will require a

900
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 24: consequential consultation with Aucklanders, and so some of us, of course,

901
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 24: we all voted down the trial, well, most of us

902
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 24: voted down the trial, but some of us move to

903
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 24: express in principle support for changing the plan to give

904
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 24: effect to a permanent region wide weekly service. The vote

905
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 24: was had on that and it was lost ten to

906
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 24: ten with two abstensions.

907
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 3: So even though no one wants, I mean, how can

908
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 3: you be in a situation where the public doesn't want

909
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: a trial, let alone a permanent thing, and yet you

910
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: can't You can you can poo poo the trial, but

911
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: you can't poop poo the permanence. I mean, it just

912
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 3: makes no sense.

913
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 24: It is difficult who understand the hoopes that I am

914
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 24: being put through to try and give what I interpret

915
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 24: as being the will of Aucklanders give effect to that.

916
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 24: Because seventy seventy eight percent of submitters said no to

917
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 24: the fortnightly rubbish collection trial last year we consulted on

918
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 24: the waste management minimization plan. At that stage, fifty three

919
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 24: percent of people supported Fortnightly. Sorry, thirty seven percent of

920
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 24: Aucklanders supported Fortnightly fifty three percent of posts. Every time

921
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 24: we ask Aucklanders this question, the majority are not in

922
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 24: favor of Fortnightly, but we're still dancing on this question.

923
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 24: So look, I'm very pleased that my constituents in Weymouth

924
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 24: and Clinton do not face six months of a fortnightly

925
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 24: collection trial starting in summer next year. But the question

926
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 24: of the the policy and the planning and the processes

927
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 24: the local government to drag on, it's not a good lie.

928
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: That's Daniel, appreciate your time, Daniel Newman, Auglan City Counselor.

929
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: It's a note to the trial, but it's a maybe

930
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: to the whole thing happening at some point anyway. Twenty

931
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: four minutes after five News Talk said b I've got

932
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: a little update for you on the Moldy lunch situation

933
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: in the South Island.

934
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 2: Next the name you trumped to get the answers you need,

935
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: it's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy Ellen Drive with one

936
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: New Zealand coverage like no one else News Talks.

937
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: Hev five twenty seven. Guess who's gone a little quiet

938
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: on the Moldy's school lunch front Peggy Burrows from the

939
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 3: community campus in christ Church, our media frequent flyer, as

940
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 3: we've come to know her. Health officials have said it's

941
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: They even said is the school's fault, but they said

942
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: it's basically probably the school's fault on the balance of

943
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: probabilities after and their investigation. But like a child caught

944
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: with a hand in a cookie jar, this school seems

945
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: incapable of taking any responsible ability for its actions. First

946
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: they beat this up aided and are bettered by the media.

947
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: Then they went and blamed David Seymour, and of course

948
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: the media hates David Seymour with a vengeance. Then they

949
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: demanded an apology from him, and then when they were

950
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: showing up for their own failings. This is, by the way,

951
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: like government health officials, they've gone to ground. This long awaited,

952
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: highly anticipated internal investigation into the whole debarcle is complete,

953
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: and guess what they're doing with it? Buried? It won't

954
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: be made public. Why why the silence? I think everybody

955
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: in their mind is going hmmm. I think you can

956
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 3: figure out why we're not hearing about what's in it.

957
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 3: It's no reason for the story itself to be buried.

958
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: Though I went hunting on the news sites this afternoon

959
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 3: to find it, because remember this is breaking news. When

960
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: this first story first broke, it was red banners, it

961
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: was breaking, it was news alerts, it was headlines. Right,

962
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: and now that David Seymour's basically been proven, if not right,

963
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 3: they're not wrong, crickets, where is it? No wonder? People

964
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: don't trust the mainstream media any longer. Wouldn't trust it

965
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 3: any more than you would trust one of Peggy's infamous

966
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 3: mincemeat lunches. Bryan Bridge twenty eight after five newstalks ed

967
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: beat the lawyer who groped in turns that the Christmas

968
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 3: Party's back in business. We'll talk about that next.

969
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

970
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home. It's Ryan Bridge on

971
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: either duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the

972
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: power of satellite mobile news talks 'bry.

973
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: Far Away from sixer on newstalks Hed bet Tim Wilson

974
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: and jose Begarni on the Huddle. In just a second,

975
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 3: I'll tell you where you want to be this Christmas.

976
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: If you want a good Christmas prison from your government,

977
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: because you're not going to get one. Out of Nikola Wallace.

978
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 3: She's tightening the belt just at ever so slightly again.

979
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 3: Spain is where you want to hit. So the socialists

980
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 3: in Spain, it's still that guy Pedro Sanchez. You know,

981
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: remember just Cinda Adourn and him had a bit of

982
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: a that makes it sound like they had they were friends,

983
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 3: they worked well together, they worked well together, they worked

984
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: alongside one another. Anyway, they he has announced because his

985
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 3: government's in trouble. He's got a coalition, minority coalition, and

986
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 3: they have been having had bad headline after bad headline

987
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: after bad headline, like and I don't just mean like

988
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 3: a little bit bad, corruption bad, you know those kinds

989
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: the headline sexual harassment, allegation bad, those kinds of headlines.

990
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: So what they've done is come out with this wonderful

991
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: policy which they're hoping will get them re elected and

992
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: get them some votes. So they're launching a national public

993
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: transport pass. You can travel, if you're Spanish anywhere in

994
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: Spain on any public transport system for a flat monthly

995
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 3: fee of one hundred and twenty two New Zealand dollars,

996
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: so sixty euros. You could say, you can go on

997
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 3: a train, you can go on a bus, whatever and

998
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 3: anywhere for that one monthly fee. Sounds pretty good, actually,

999
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 3: doesn't it, especially if you're a commuter and then you

1000
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: want to jump on a train and go away for

1001
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: a weekend whatever. He says he wants to change the

1002
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: way that Spaniards understand and use public transport forever. He

1003
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: says that they're going to be a revolutionary thing. The

1004
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 3: only problem is they have got it out in such

1005
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: a rush it hasn't actually been publicly costed anyone surprised.

1006
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: Twenty two to six Cranbridge, a lawyer convicted of groping

1007
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: students at a Russell McVeigh Christmas party, can now practice again.

1008
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: This is an update on the story today. James Gardner

1009
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 3: Hopkins remember him banned from working as a lawyer for

1010
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 3: three years after his twenty twenty one conviction for six

1011
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: charges of misconduct, including groping the breasts and the buttocks

1012
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: of three female law student. The Law Society has now

1013
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: cleared him to return to the profession. Steth Diberg is

1014
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: a lawyer who represented the victims of James Gardiner Hopkins

1015
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 3: and joins me. Now, Steph, good evening, Good evening, How

1016
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: are your clients feeling about this.

1017
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 25: I haven't spoken to them yet. I have made contact

1018
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 25: offer them support.

1019
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: How do you expect they'll take the news.

1020
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 25: I wouldn't have thought they'd be too happy disappointed.

1021
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 3: Does everyone deserve a second chance?

1022
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 25: Well, people deserve second chances, Ryan, But this is about

1023
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 25: whether somebody is actually a fit and proper person under

1024
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 25: our regulations to hold a practicing certificate. It's really a

1025
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 25: high standard. It's not like doing a sentence and then

1026
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 25: you come back into the fold and maybe you do

1027
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 25: a spell under probation and then you know, sort of

1028
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 25: you move on with your life. You actually have to

1029
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 25: show that you're a fish and proper person in circumstances

1030
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 25: where you've been found not to be.

1031
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 3: And you're not convinced the law Society has done I

1032
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 3: mean they say they have done that and clared him

1033
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 3: to return to the profession. You're saying you're not convinced

1034
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: by it.

1035
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 25: Well, like the minority in the panel, I remained skeptical.

1036
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 25: I have to say I haven't seen all of the

1037
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 25: evidence they've seen, of course, but in the commentary I've seen,

1038
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 25: you know, the evidence that I've seen suggests that James

1039
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 25: Garden Hopkins hasn't really learned a huge amount from what

1040
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 25: he's been through and what he's put other people through

1041
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 25: his behavior. During his suspension, he appealed the outcome. He

1042
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 25: appealed his suspension. It got increased. Of course, he also

1043
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 25: challenged a couple of judges who wouldn't give him leave

1044
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 25: to appear as a lay advocate in court proceedings. During

1045
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 25: his suspension, he went and looked at people's profiles, women's

1046
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 25: profiles on LinkedIn who were speaking up against his readmission.

1047
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 25: So none of those things filled me with a great

1048
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 25: deal of confidence that he's really learned a lesson he

1049
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 25: needs to learn.

1050
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 3: Do you reckon anyone will hire him?

1051
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 25: Well, he's going to be embarrister. So it's such a

1052
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 25: clients whether they choose to engage him for legal work.

1053
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 25: And there will be I'm sure people who will not

1054
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 25: see this as a grave impediment to working with him.

1055
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 25: There will be other people who will say, I'm not

1056
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 25: really sure that this is the right person for us.

1057
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 25: I'm not sure that he's got the right sort of judgment,

1058
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 25: or maybe the brand isn't when we want to associate

1059
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 25: with But that's entirely a matter for the public. That's

1060
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 25: their choice. And that's the thing about having a practicing certificate.

1061
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 25: You know, you've sort of got a brand on you

1062
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 25: from the legal profession, from the Law Society that you

1063
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 25: are a fit and suitable person to be practicing as

1064
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 25: a lawyer. So that's what that means. It's quite a

1065
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 25: significant privilege, but it's also carries responsibilities.

1066
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 3: All right, Steff, appreciate that update. Thank you. Stef Daiberg

1067
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: a lawyer who represented the victims of James Gardner Hopkins.

1068
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 3: And by the way, the Law Society doesn't normally tell

1069
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 3: us stuff though when they make decisions like this, they

1070
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: don't usually make the decisions public, but they said they

1071
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 3: did so in this case because of well, the level

1072
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 3: of public interest that they have had and the reflection

1073
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 3: on the legal profession as a whole. It's eighten minutes

1074
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: away from six the.

1075
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name you

1076
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 3: Joining me tonight, Child fun Ceo, Josie Bigani, Josie Good evening. Hello,

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Speaker 3: lovely to see you. Tim Wilson has here too from

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Speaker 3: the Maximum Institute. Tim Good evening to you.

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Speaker 23: Good evening.

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Speaker 3: Now, well, what do we think sort of a second

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Speaker 3: chance here, Joseph? Fair enough?

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Speaker 18: I mean, he didn't go to jail.

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Speaker 26: He isn't being suspended from making a living for the

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Speaker 26: rest of his life. That would be a pretty big

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Speaker 26: price to pay. He's entitled to in a living, right.

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Speaker 26: I Mean, it worries me when Steph just said then

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Speaker 26: that he was apparently looking at the woman's profiles of

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Speaker 26: people who spoke up against him. So you have to

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Speaker 26: take it face value that he has rehabilitated, that he's

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Speaker 26: seeing the impact of his behavior had and you do

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Speaker 26: have to give people a second chance, right. Otherwise, how

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Speaker 26: do you distinguish between people who get their life together

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Speaker 26: and sort their shut out and basically become decent human

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Speaker 26: beings exactly and people who don't.

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Speaker 3: And also, it's kind of ironic for a lawyer to be,

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Speaker 3: you know, because they are always arguing for people.

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Speaker 26: That it's pretty low when you're saying the legal profession

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Speaker 26: is this great standard bearer of behavior. But of course

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Speaker 26: Steth Dibert exception.

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Speaker 25: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: Actually, I have a brother in law who's a lawyer,

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Speaker 23: and I often quote to him the words the Babe

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Speaker 23: of Bethlehem, which called them lawyers. Woe to you unmarked grades. Now,

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Speaker 23: I'm sure there are and I know in fact for

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Speaker 23: a fact there are many very good lawyers of great

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Speaker 23: moral probity. But yeah, and look I agree with but

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Speaker 23: I think I think lawyers as well. When we think

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Speaker 23: about the least trusted that it's used car salesman, lawyers,

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Speaker 23: and then journalists. So I speak as an ext journalist,

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Speaker 23: so I think I can say that I'm a big

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Speaker 23: fan of second chances too. There is scrutiny and oversights

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Speaker 23: in this, so he has to he has been watched over.

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Speaker 9: He lost it.

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Speaker 23: You know, he stood down for three years and we're

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Speaker 23: all talking about this guy. So I guess there will

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Speaker 23: there will certainly be people who won't go to him

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Speaker 23: because he is whom he is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. We'll be back in a second.

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Speaker 3: I want to get your take on the Nikola Willis

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Speaker 3: situation with the devvisit. Are we going to see this debate?

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Speaker 3: Do we care about the debate? But more importantly, what

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Speaker 3: we got out of the High Fu today. Tim Wilson

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Speaker 3: and jose Beganni Next.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty The only

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Speaker 2: truly global.

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Speaker 3: Brand thirteen minutes away from Sexier on news Talks. That'd

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Speaker 3: be Joseph Beganney and Tim Wilson on the huddle tonight, guys.

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Speaker 3: I've got some breaking news for you, very important breaking news.

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Speaker 3: This is from a media release, The Big, the Big

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Speaker 3: debate between nicolab Here it is nickol Willis and Ruth

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Speaker 3: Richardson is off. Yeah, Ruth pulled out I will not

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Speaker 3: be a party to a circus. This is Ruth Woods

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Speaker 3: from the text parents. I will not be a party

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Speaker 3: to a circus or a sideshow designed to distract from

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Speaker 3: fiscal failure. What does she think?

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Speaker 25: Politics is?

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Speaker 26: Honestly disappointment.

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Speaker 23: That sounds like you've just had your Christmas present, take

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Speaker 23: it away.

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Speaker 26: Not for the first time, ten I was really looking

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Speaker 26: forward to this because I reckon you do you remember

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00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 26: Elon Musk sort of challenged Mark Zuckerberg to a cage fight,

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Speaker 26: and Mark Zuckerberg sort of bare chest and said send location,

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Speaker 26: you know, and Ruth Richardson was like, you know, I

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00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 26: don't do pistols at dawn with a picture of a

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 26: fully clothed in her garden, So honestly, come on, I

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00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 26: want politics to get away from this idea that it's

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Speaker 26: something to do with diplomacy and kindness and you know,

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Speaker 26: sharing the dos and back into an argie bargie contest

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Speaker 26: of ideas, and god knows we need one.

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Speaker 3: You want you want to bring back the days of

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Speaker 3: to Henada and what's his name in.

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Speaker 26: Some fisticuffs in the corridors, but not the real stuff.

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Speaker 23: So you want politicians to be more like lawyers, so.

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Speaker 26: Because they're careful and us bureaucratic jargon. I want politicians

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Speaker 26: to be authentically Why do you think Trump was so popular?

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Speaker 26: Just cut across all of that stuff so bad bad

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Speaker 26: move that gives Nikola willis the win. She's now won it.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean there was a word to get

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Speaker 3: and term. It's interesting because when we got the hayfood

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Speaker 3: today and in all of Nichola's comments, she is she's

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Speaker 3: played it really well. She's saying, you've got me in

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Speaker 3: the middle, Ruth on the right, and then crazy labor

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Speaker 3: over there on the left.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 23: And if you're being bagged by the taxpayer's union and labor,

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Speaker 23: I guess that's what centrism looks like in five and

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Speaker 23: now and now. Ruth Richardson has handed her own head

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Speaker 23: on a plate to Nichola Willis, so it's and also

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Speaker 23: ruined Josie's Christmas. That's the thing I'm worried about. She's

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Speaker 23: going to be sobbing into her sobbing into her Lindau

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Speaker 23: on Christmas Day because she didn't get.

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Speaker 27: What she wanted.

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Speaker 26: I will be wafting around in a caftan with a

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Speaker 26: gin and tonic and I will shan'n't care. Shu'n't care

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Speaker 26: at all.

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Speaker 3: Now you'll be throwing things in the rubbish all Christmas.

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Speaker 3: In fact, you know Christmas. I think about Boxing Day

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Speaker 3: when look at your rubbish bin, how full that thing

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Speaker 3: gets after you've opened all your presence, and then imagine

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Speaker 3: having to wait two weeks before someone comes and collects it. Thankfully,

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Speaker 3: this is Auckland is thankful. I know they did this

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Speaker 3: in some parts of the country. In Auckland they have

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Speaker 3: just said nay to the trial, Josie, do you think

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Speaker 3: And it's one of those issues where people spoke out

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Speaker 3: and said nah, we don't want it, and the counselors

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Speaker 3: have actually listened to them. But the whole idea is

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Speaker 3: still not off the table. It could happen for everyone

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Speaker 3: permanently one day.

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Speaker 26: It's these crazy ideas that you can get people out

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Speaker 26: of cars by simply taking their car away, I not

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Speaker 26: having parking places, and that you can get rid of

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Speaker 26: rubbish just by not.

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Speaker 3: Giving them a big enough and I won't like that, guys.

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Speaker 26: And you remember in the nineties, late nineties, I guess

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Speaker 26: it was in offices where they started taking the bins

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Speaker 26: away and putting in these little things on your desk

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Speaker 26: where you could put your apple core. And your lasted

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Speaker 26: about a nanosecond because everyone just you know, went, I'm

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Speaker 26: not not doing it.

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Speaker 5: I'm not.

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Speaker 26: Don't be silly. I've got rubbish, live with it.

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Speaker 3: It's annoying, Tim Well, you know at this studio we've

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Speaker 3: got a problem with the bins because they've they've got

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Speaker 3: a couple of bins and then on this floor and

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Speaker 3: the one being the main one we have is in

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Speaker 3: the studio and fills up so quickly, and then Mike

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Speaker 3: Hoskin gets you angry in the mind.

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Speaker 23: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean mess Heath fills it up,

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Speaker 23: Kerry Wood and fills it up. You Ryan, I'm sure

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Speaker 23: would be extremely obstemious when it comes to rubbish. You'd

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Speaker 23: eat your own apple cares you make sure that you

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Speaker 23: know it wasn't it wasn't rubbish. But I'm I'm with

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Speaker 23: the majority of Aucklanders who say, can you collect my

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Speaker 23: rubbish every week? Because well, our beIN always gets filled up?

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Speaker 7: And why is that?

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Speaker 23: We've got four boys and we are literally providing taxpayers

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Speaker 23: of the future, so the council should be paying us

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Speaker 23: to collect our rubbish.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, exactly.

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Speaker 3: It's annoying. What do you make of this mega ministry?

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Speaker 3: We had mb and now we got M. I can't

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Speaker 3: even remember what it is, msect something, it's MSERT they're

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Speaker 3: calling it, which is Cities and Environment and Transport MBM.

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Speaker 26: So the first thing is stop coming up with these

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Speaker 26: stupid names. And if you can't just call it, like

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Speaker 26: I don't know, the mega Industry of Business Development, which

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Speaker 26: is what MB should have been, should always have been

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Speaker 26: Ministry of Development or whatever economic development, this whatever meth

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Speaker 26: and so whatever it's called, should be Ministry of plan

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Speaker 26: Environment or planning or something like that. So that tells me,

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Speaker 26: though it's not just a silly, bloody acronym. It tells

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Speaker 26: me that they had the thinking is all up here

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Speaker 26: about shuffling the deck chairs, clump a whole lot of

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Speaker 26: government departments together, and you'll deal with with the lack

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Speaker 26: of collaboration and coordination. Actually, you've got to deal with

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Speaker 26: a substance. And I just think this whole focus on

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Speaker 26: structure rather than thinking, why is the public sector not

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Speaker 26: delivering everything we need urgently. You've got to change the culture.

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Speaker 26: You've got to put more risk in the design and

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Speaker 26: the ideas and less in the implementation. You know, you

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Speaker 26: need those sorts of ideas rather than just what we

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Speaker 26: do in New Zealand when we go. Let's just clump

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Speaker 26: them all together and they'll spend two years developing HR policies, branding,

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01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 26: you know, I don't know straighteners and the toilets, hair dryers.

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Speaker 26: It'll all just be two years of doing nothing, building nothing,

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Speaker 26: doing nothing. I'm not a fan.

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Speaker 23: Well, I've got the name for it. Don't call it

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Speaker 23: a mega ministry, call it a mega ministry, make great

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Speaker 23: Again ministry. Actually, I'm kind of down with this because

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Speaker 23: it's a pretty coherent group of ministries that are being

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Speaker 23: put together. They are sort of it's an attempt to

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Speaker 23: enhance the RMA changes that are happening, and also it

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Speaker 23: reports to one minister, So you compare that to say

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Speaker 23: MB which reports to Actually, we looked it up nineteen

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Speaker 23: ministers and one parliamentary undersecretary. No one owns that one

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Speaker 23: person will own this. I'm optimistic, yeah, good, well, good

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Speaker 23: for you.

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Speaker 8: Tim.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 23: And that I fear jose is already in a caftan

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01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 23: clutching a genatonic in each hand.

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Speaker 19: I am.

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Speaker 3: Somebody. Here is text and Ministry of Urban and Regional Development,

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Speaker 3: Environment and Roads and the acronyms murder. Appreciate that, Guys,

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Speaker 3: Tim Wilson and Josey BEGANNI on the huddle tonight. It

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Speaker 3: is six to six News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Dupless and Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 2: my Ard Radio powered by News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: News TALKSB four minutes away from six. I like this text.

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Speaker 3: It says, what about something simple ministry of planning that

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Speaker 3: makes sense to MOP easy. You know exactly what it

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Speaker 3: is and hopefully we'll do what it says on the

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Speaker 3: tin Hey in Brown University in the US. It's pretty

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Speaker 3: surprising that it's been nearly four days now and this

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Speaker 3: someone comes in kills people at a university. They arrest

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Speaker 3: a guy. Actually it's the wrong guy. But in you know,

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Speaker 3: this day and age, with all the cameras and they

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Speaker 3: still haven't found him. Anyway, people are very worried about

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Speaker 3: that in the States, as you can imagine. At Brown

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Speaker 3: there's a fifty thousand dollars reward four days in and

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Speaker 3: still no one caught. We've got lots of updates coming

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Speaker 3: your way in the Business Hour next with Cameron Baggery

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Speaker 3: kicking us off after six, you're on News Talk SB.

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Speaker 2: We're Business Meets inside the Business Hour and breach and

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Speaker 2: mass motor Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands.

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Speaker 3: US talks at be Good Evening. Seven after six, Jamie McKay,

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Speaker 3: host of the Country, joins us for a rule update.

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Speaker 3: Shortly we will talk trade meets one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: eight million dollar right down and a UK in de

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Speaker 3: Brady correspondent with us before seven o'clock this evening. Right now,

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis is pushing out well, she's not pushing up

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Speaker 3: the surplus, but the surplace is being pushed out from

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Speaker 3: underneath her to twenty thirty from twenty twenty nine. She's

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Speaker 3: convinced she can still get there by twenty twenty nine,

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Speaker 3: but the books out today show well that ain't happening

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Speaker 3: at the moment. Net debt will peek at forty six

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Speaker 3: point nine percent of GDP in a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: Nikola willis defending not cutting her budget allowances.

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Speaker 20: Further because that is what is required to ensure we

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Speaker 20: can make the investments needed to increase health service delivery,

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Speaker 20: to ensure our schools have the resources they need to

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Speaker 20: pay their teachers and deliver learning, that our police have

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Speaker 20: the resources they need on the front line, and to

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Speaker 20: continue our build and defence capability.

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Speaker 3: Independent economists Cameron Baggery is with me on the line now, Cameron,

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Speaker 3: good evening, good Na, what were your thoughts looking at

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Speaker 3: the hay food today?

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Speaker 14: Oh, not too many surprises where your economy first half

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Speaker 14: of this year was obviously going to have the tax

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Speaker 14: forecast achieving a surplace has been pushed.

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Speaker 7: Out a year.

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Speaker 14: I guess if you look at the bigger picture, yeah,

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Speaker 14: we're going to have a decade of deficits. And if

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Speaker 14: you look at the last two years, right, the situation's

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Speaker 14: actually been worse than it actually hasn't been getting better.

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Speaker 14: So what's called the structure or the underlying deficit. There's

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Speaker 14: been getting worse than what we call a fair but

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Speaker 14: of what is called promise me nomics as and I

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Speaker 14: promise I'll get the books in order. But it's all

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Speaker 14: backloaded towards the last three years of the forecast, which

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Speaker 14: is tomorrow's store.

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Speaker 7: You're right here, and now we know that the numbers

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Speaker 7: have been deteriorating for the past two years.

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Speaker 3: Is she right when she says, well, I could fix that,

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Speaker 3: I could cut, and I could hack like that, you

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Speaker 3: know Ruth Richardson wants me to do, but that would

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Speaker 3: undermine the very growth store. I'm trying to tell, well,

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Speaker 3: she is going to.

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Speaker 14: Be hacking, because yeah, if you look at what's called

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Speaker 14: the structural deficit is going to deteriorate for another twelve months.

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Speaker 14: The structural deficit has been deteriorating for the past couple

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Speaker 14: of years. It's going to continue to troate for another

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Speaker 14: twelve months. Yeah, from twenty twenty seven to eight thousand

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Speaker 14: and thirty. To get the books back in the red,

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Speaker 14: that's when the government is going to be crunching government

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Speaker 14: expenditure to the tune they're going to shrink it by

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Speaker 14: two point three percentage points of GDP so there's a

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Speaker 14: fair bit of hacking that's going to be going on,

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Speaker 14: but it's in the back end of the forecast.

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Speaker 7: What's been going on now and in the next sort

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Speaker 7: of twelve months.

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Speaker 14: We're seeing a bit of spinning restraint, but we haven't

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Speaker 14: seen extual fiscal restraint. We're seeing an awful lot of

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Speaker 14: initiatives on the revue side of the equation, and of course,

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Speaker 14: when you know, that's led to a deterioration in the

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Speaker 14: structural deficit. So the hard yards haven't really started yet, right,

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Speaker 14: and the hard yards really start in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: And so, and basically we're on a hope and a

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Speaker 3: prayer that that will actually happen too, aren't we.

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Speaker 1: There?

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Speaker 14: Well, I guess you look at your zealone superannuation, you

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Speaker 14: look at health needs, infrastructure. You know, with any finance minister,

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Speaker 14: doesn't matter whether it's Nicola Willis or whether it's opposition

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Speaker 14: political parties, they're all stuck in what's called the impossible trinity.

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Speaker 14: Now you've got three corners to a triangle. On one corner,

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Speaker 14: you've got this thing called fiscal credibility. You want to

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Speaker 14: show responsible fiscal management. You want to go from depths

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Speaker 14: at a surplus. You want to pay down a little

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Speaker 14: bit of debt just in case we have some sort

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Speaker 14: of economic shock, to make sure you've got a little

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Speaker 14: bit of money to read aploy. You've got rating agencies

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Speaker 14: that are looking at you. The second part of the

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Speaker 14: triangle is infrastructure investment, and those infrastructure investment needs are

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Speaker 14: immense and you're going to have to borrow for that.

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Speaker 14: And the third part of the triangle is called social services.

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Speaker 14: You can be on two sides, or you can hit

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Speaker 14: two sides of the trying well, you can't hit three.

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Speaker 14: And if a look at the forecast what we're presented today,

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Speaker 14: it's pretty obvious that social services, your real spending per capita,

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Speaker 14: is going to shrink, and that will be a point

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Speaker 14: of vulnerability, not just for the current government, but any

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Speaker 14: government going forward, because there's a you can get two

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Speaker 14: out of three, you can't get three out of three.

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Speaker 3: So what's the rabbit that's going to be pulled out

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Speaker 3: of the hat. They did it with pay equity last budget.

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Speaker 3: What's next years? Do you reckon? It's something to do

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Speaker 3: with acc.

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Speaker 14: I suspect so and that that's a that's an economic

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Speaker 14: comparative anyway, a lot of those crown entities.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't matter if you look at Health New zeal And,

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Speaker 7: you look at King Aura, or you look at your ACC.

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Speaker 14: They're bleeding cash. They're adding to the deficit. They've got

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Speaker 14: to turn those ships around. How do you turn ACC around? Well,

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Speaker 14: ultimately someone pays.

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Speaker 7: And guess who pays ACC levis.

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Speaker 3: US Treasury reckons the ocr is going to stay low

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Speaker 3: for the next three years or so. But markets have

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Speaker 3: been behaving well quite differently. Who do we believe on that?

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Speaker 14: I believe markets at the moment, Yeah, I think we're

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Speaker 14: more likely to get a twenty twenty six hike as

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Speaker 14: a post lock. The Treasury's got to set a forecast

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Speaker 14: that's say potential growth.

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Speaker 7: Your productivity growth is going to pack up. That packs up.

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Speaker 14: You can absorb something to pick up demand without creating inflation.

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Speaker 14: Inflation is going to magically stay around two percent. Inflation

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Speaker 14: stays around two percent. The official cashtrikes is stay low

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Speaker 14: right out till about twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 7: Do I believe in that sort of magical theory sort

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Speaker 7: of story. The answer is no.

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Speaker 14: You know, I think the economy is picking up. I

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Speaker 14: think productivity growth is still going to be reaching anemic.

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Speaker 14: What is actually just to me inflah's not going to

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Speaker 14: go back down to two percent, So the reserve being's

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Speaker 14: going to be back and play sometime in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Good to know, Cameron. Thank you, Cameron Bagriy, Independent Economists.

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Speaker 3: Twelve minutes after six Ryan, you know Trump and the

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Speaker 3: whole Panorama thing of the BBC and obviously he wasn't

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Speaker 3: happy about that, told the world about it. This was

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Speaker 3: the original edit of the January sixth video that Panorama plays.

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Speaker 28: We're going to walk down to the capital and I'll

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Speaker 28: be there with you, and we fight. We fight like hell,

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Speaker 28: and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going

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Speaker 28: to have.

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Speaker 29: A country anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that sounds really bad. And this was what

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Speaker 3: he actually said.

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Speaker 1: We're going to walk down to the capital.

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Speaker 28: And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and

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Speaker 28: congressmen and women.

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Speaker 3: And then a whole fifty four minutes later he said this,

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Speaker 3: but and we fight.

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Speaker 28: We fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell,

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Speaker 28: you're not going to have a country anymore.

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Speaker 3: Now the BBC has come out, you know they did

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Speaker 3: at the times that it was an eraror of judgment

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Speaker 3: in their editing, etc. And Trump is always threatening to sue. Well,

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Speaker 3: today he has come good on that and he has

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Speaker 3: put out the number that he wants, nine billion New

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Speaker 3: Zealand dollars. Trump issuing the BBC thirteen after six Jamie

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Speaker 3: McKay on the Country.

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Speaker 1: Next, it's the Heather.

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Speaker 2: Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: by new TALKSP.

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Speaker 3: Six sixteen News Talk ZP. We're talking about trade meetings,

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Speaker 3: big right down after six thirty this season, speaking of

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Speaker 3: right downs, Ford has taken a massive hit. This is

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Speaker 3: over in the US, almost twenty billion dollar hit over

1441
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Speaker 3: its EV side of the business. EV business, a vehicle business,

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Speaker 3: I should say. So what they've done is shift their strategy.

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Speaker 3: They were going full EV electric vehicles and they are

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Speaker 3: pulling back now going more gas powered hybrid and what

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Speaker 3: they call extended range electric vehicles because the demand for

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Speaker 3: actual evs, as you know, has been thinking. By twenty thirty,

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Speaker 3: Ford anticipates hybrids, extended range vehicles and evs will constitute

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Speaker 3: about half of its global output, half of the cars

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Speaker 3: it makes. But they've just taken this massive impairment. One

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Speaker 3: of the biggest impairments taken by a company in the

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Speaker 3: US ever, and since twenty twenty three they've lost thirteen

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Speaker 3: b billion dollars on their EV business.

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Speaker 1: The Rural Report on Heather do for see Allen Drive.

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Speaker 3: Jamie McKay's with us this evening host of the country, Jamie.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Good evening, Ryan.

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Speaker 10: And just before we get into the thick of it,

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Speaker 10: just to we footnote for you, not on Ford in

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Speaker 10: their impairment, but on the well this is sort of

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Speaker 10: a bit of an impairment really. It's the final Global

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Speaker 10: Dairy Trade auction. Tonight features market picking another drop of

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Speaker 10: a couple of percent or so. My man at Jordan,

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Speaker 10: Mike McIntyre tells me. Now, if that comes to pass,

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Speaker 10: that's nine straight falls, ten being the record since we've

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Speaker 10: started the GDT auctions. So I hate to be the

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Speaker 10: bear of bad news, Ryan, but it's got that feel

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Speaker 10: about it. Nine dollars here we come.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they's certainly heading in that direction, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: Food and five exports, this is some bright spark. I

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Speaker 3: suppose food and fiber exports will reach a record sixty

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Speaker 3: two billion dollars next year.

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Speaker 10: And that's on top of this year's I mean the

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Speaker 10: sixty two billion is for the year end of June thirty,

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Speaker 10: twenty twenty six, so I guess it's in the farming

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Speaker 10: season that we're in. It beats last year's record setting

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Speaker 10: sixty point four billion. And the good news is Ryan,

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Speaker 10: for the year ended thirtieth, twenty twenty seven, we're up

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Speaker 10: to sixty three billion. And if you want to figure

1479
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Speaker 10: out how important the primary sector is to our economy,

1480
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Speaker 10: one on every seven people work in food and fiber

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Speaker 10: and the sector now accounts for eighty three percent of

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Speaker 10: all New Zealand goods exports, So it's huge for our economy.

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Speaker 10: We break it down into sectors, meat and wall Let's

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Speaker 10: face it, it's mainly. Meat has been the star of

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Speaker 10: the stable, lifting seven percent of over thirteen billion. Horticulture

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Speaker 10: off the back of kiwi fruit doing really well, lifting

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Speaker 10: five percent to nine point two billion. Now it's not

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Speaker 10: that long ago, Ryan that horticulture and forestry were neck

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Speaker 10: and neck. Forestry did lift two percent, but it's when

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Speaker 10: I say languishing at six point three billion. That's still

1491
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Speaker 10: a lot of money. But horticulture has really taken off

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Speaker 10: off the back of the kiwi fruit and apples, I think,

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Speaker 10: reaching one billion for the first time. And of course

1494
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Speaker 10: when it comes to value and volume, it's all about

1495
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Speaker 10: the dairy export industry only lifted one percent. Obviously we've

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Speaker 10: got falling prices to factor in, but it is worth

1497
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Speaker 10: to our economy of whopping twenty seven point four billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 10: That was in the Situation and Outlook for Primary Industries

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Speaker 10: report released this morning.

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Speaker 3: Jamie, what's happening with the animal protein industry? Generally a

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Speaker 3: slowdown being predicted in production growth for twenty six Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, this is the latest Rabobank report and they always

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Speaker 10: put out wonderful reports. Love reading them. Ryan shameless Plug

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Speaker 10: for Rabobank the Global Animal Protein Outlook for twenty twenty six. Interestingly,

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Speaker 10: seafood and potree will emerge as the primary drivers of

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Speaker 10: production growth, while pork and beef are expected to contract,

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Speaker 10: marking the first time in global land based species reduction

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Speaker 10: and output for at least six years. So here in

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Speaker 10: New Zealand, what's the story. The beefhead countess forecast to

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Speaker 10: rise by about three percent and twenty twenty six. Look,

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Speaker 10: beef farming is where it's at at the moment. On

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Speaker 10: the sheep side, even though you numbers have declined by

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Speaker 10: one point nine percent, the lambs available for slaughter out

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Speaker 10: of them, as I think we touched on last week,

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Speaker 10: are still roughly about the same. So our national U

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Speaker 10: flock is now down to just over fourteen million sheep. Ryan,

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Speaker 10: you're far too young to remember in the nineteen eighties

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Speaker 10: when we had over seventy million sheep. Obviously they weren't

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Speaker 10: all used, but the numbers that decline has been rapid

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Speaker 10: global demand for New Zealand red meat, and this is

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Speaker 10: the good news, is anticipated to remain robust in twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty six. And even though our volumes have softened into

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Speaker 10: the likes of China, were really they're really being offset

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Speaker 10: by us getting more lamb exports into the likes of

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Speaker 10: the EU and the US and to a lesser extent,

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Speaker 10: the UK. And we are really being helped in those

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Speaker 10: two European markets by our FTAs. We just need to

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01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 10: convince Donald Trump to drop the tariffs and give us

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Speaker 10: the free trade agreement and it's happy days for New

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Speaker 10: Zealand farming.

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Speaker 3: Same goes for India. Appreciate that, Jamie. Thank you. Jamie McKay,

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Speaker 3: host of the country on Newstalks there B it's six

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Speaker 3: point twenty two. We'll get to show biz.

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Speaker 2: hours with Ryan Bridge and Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 3: are warning you, just kind of advising you. Watch out

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Speaker 3: how much they're charging you, sur charging you when you're

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Speaker 3: gone buy something at the dairy or by something at

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Speaker 3: the shop. And I have to admit that I'm a

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Speaker 3: bit of a whiss when it comes to this. The

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01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 3: surcharge amount will pop up and I barelyeve and blink.

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Speaker 3: I just go yes, yes, yes, because the shop keepers

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Speaker 3: there looking at you, and you don't want to cause

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Speaker 3: a saint, I know, JU said. I mean, God knows

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Speaker 3: what they're putting on there, but the maximum they should

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Speaker 3: be putting on there this Christmas and complain to consume

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand if it's more than this is one

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01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,839
Speaker 3: point two or max one point three percent. If someone's

1552
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 3: whacking two percent onto your Coca Cola or your ice cream,

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Speaker 3: your tipped off ice cream, then go running and screaming

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Speaker 3: to Consumer z that's what they're telling us. Twenty five after.

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Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

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Speaker 19: Changes.

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Speaker 3: Just when you thought it was all over, Shortened Streak

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Speaker 3: comes back a swinging because an unexpected TV legend is

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Speaker 3: returning to Ferndale.

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Speaker 9: Hey, we're not finished yet, just a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Rachel McKenna is coming back, played by Angela Bloomfield. Character

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Speaker 3: hasn't been seen on the soap since way back in

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, way back before COVID. Long time. She's going

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Speaker 3: to be back from February next year and a season

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Speaker 3: that they're calling Shortened Street Legacy. Rachel first appeared in

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four. That's more than thirty years ago. Now

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Speaker 3: after a fifteen year will they won't they? To rival

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Speaker 3: Ross and Rachel from Friends. McKenna married Chris Warner in

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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. Remember that finally they got married, but the

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Speaker 3: drama did not end there. Remember the codeine alcohol addiction

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Speaker 3: that Rachel had. Very unfortunate she when she was under

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Speaker 3: the influences of that slapped Chris's son Harry, You remember

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Speaker 3: the one that looked annoying. Well, they broke up after that,

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Speaker 3: but then Chris got falsely accused of murder. Rachel stood

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five Christmas clockhanger aired last night. Apparently did

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Speaker 3: you catch it? There was a deadly virus sweeping across Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Sounds strangely familiar. So if you want to be prepared

1580
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Speaker 3: for Rachel's return, apparently you need to go and look

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Speaker 3: at the finale on TV and Z plus. It's airing

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Speaker 3: there now. I shan't be doing that tonight twenty seven

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Man's Motor Vehicle Insurance,

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Speaker 3: spoke to Mariold's out of Australia after four and he

1590
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Speaker 3: mentioned this and I want to play the audio for you.

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Speaker 3: This is John Howard, you know, former Prime Minister of Australia.

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Speaker 3: So he goes along to the vigil that was held

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Speaker 3: at Bondi Beach laying flowers, et cetera. And they received him.

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Speaker 3: This is the crowd to chance of bringing back John.

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Speaker 3: He was very critical of Albanesi today and calling his

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Speaker 3: attempt to reform gun laws basically a massive diversion tactic.

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Speaker 29: He's let the Jewish community down on this simply by

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Speaker 29: not enthusiastically and energetically denouncing Andy Semitism. People do take

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Speaker 29: a lead from their leaders. Now we've now been treated

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Speaker 29: to the big attempt at a diversion changes to gun laws.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, isn't it. And the thing is, you know

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Speaker 3: why Alberanzi was so reticent because it was all the

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Speaker 3: heat about Gaza. You know that they were walking liberal

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Speaker 3: sort of progressive politicians are walking a very fine line

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Speaker 3: of wanting to criticize net and Yahoo, et cetera. But

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Speaker 3: they also didn't clearly, according to at least one form

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Speaker 3: of politician here, clearly didn't go far enough the other

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Speaker 3: way to say, hey, that doesn't mean you get to

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Speaker 3: be antisemitic and go and throw fire bombs at synagogues for.

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Speaker 1: Goodness sakes, Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: Right back home. Bad news for the country's leading online

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01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 3: buy and sell website, trade Me's written down the good

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01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 3: will of value of its online marketplace from two hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventy five million dollars to one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: seven million. The reason for this has been given as

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Speaker 3: a restrained short term future growth for that part of

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Speaker 3: Trade means business. Bodolang is a marketing professor at Massi

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01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 3: University and joins me now Voda good evening, Good evening, Ryan,

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Speaker 3: How are you very well? Thank you? So people basically

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01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: aren't selling their stuff on trade me. Is that what's

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01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 3: going on here?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 27: I think there is effectively that sort. I think the

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01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 27: company to adjust its growth expectations and they're just they're

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01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 27: still the market leader, but that market leadership is I

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01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 27: think increasingly coming under threat. And so what's happened is

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01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 27: we've got more competition and as a result, I think

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01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 27: their growth expectations are just much lower, and so that's

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Speaker 27: why they've produced their their goodwill is face.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's Facebook marketplace that I know lots of

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01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 3: people are using. But are we buying less? You know

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01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 3: it is it other secondhand outlets and online shops that

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01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 3: we're going to or is it actually that we're buying

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01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 3: lots of teamos stuff, new stuff that's just as cheap.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, I think it's a mixture of things. I think

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Speaker 27: it's so there's definitely more competition in the second hand space,

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01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 27: and so the biggest one is obviously Facebook Marketplace, but

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Speaker 27: then there's other sites as well. So back in the

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01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,560
Speaker 27: back when trade me started, there was no competition and

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01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 27: so that was the only place really we could sell things,

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Speaker 27: and in fact they did effectively a couple of other

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Speaker 27: businesses of business. So I think maybe we're seeing this

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01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 27: now slowly occurring here. So there's other used goods retailers

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Speaker 27: or sides rather, and then there's also certainly brand new,

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01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 27: very cheap Chinese products that we can buy on huge

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Speaker 27: I mean massive platforms that provide an incredible amount of choice,

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Speaker 27: and so that's the second factor. And I think the

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Speaker 27: third factor, to be honest, is also the arrival of

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Speaker 27: really big box retailers in New Zealand like Ikia. I mean,

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Speaker 27: now that we have Ikia in the country, it's pretty

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Speaker 27: easy for anybody anywhere in New Zealand to order fairly inexpensive,

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01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 27: really innovative, creative, modern goods that just weren't available previously.

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Speaker 27: And so if you're after a lampshade or I don't

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Speaker 27: know whatever it might be. You know, there is now

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Speaker 27: another really big name Intel.

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Speaker 3: Is trade me kind of at risk here? Like is

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01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 3: this potentially a terminal development for them? Or do they

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01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 3: just op right as a smaller business into the future

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01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 3: And is there anything they can do to turn that

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Speaker 3: sort of brain thing around.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, that's a great question. I think it's certainly a

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Speaker 27: business model issue. And so the business model is on

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01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 27: a threat, and that's because there's much more competition. I

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Speaker 27: think consumer sentiment has moved on. Why I deal with

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01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 27: you know, other consumers buying something online that is used

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01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 27: that may or may not be good when you can

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Speaker 27: buy something brand new and bird cheap from a Chinese retailer.

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Speaker 27: So that's I think a big, big problem that that

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Speaker 27: sort of changed, or the threat to the business model.

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Speaker 27: What can they do about it? I think, you know,

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01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 27: it's time for innovation and it's time to really listen

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01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 27: to customers and to think about, you know, what does

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01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 27: the research tell us. So I'm sure trade me you know,

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01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 27: has focused groups and all sorts of other tracking studies,

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01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 27: and they would be listening very closely to what are

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01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 27: the you know, the barriers or what are the turnoffs.

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Speaker 27: So why do people stop selling things via trade new

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Speaker 27: marketplace and why is that and then turning those things around,

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Speaker 27: And it might be some of those things might be

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Speaker 27: very easy to fix. It might be that they feel

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Speaker 27: that the fees that are being charged at to excessive

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Speaker 27: or that the process is to cumbersome, and so you know,

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01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 27: there's sculpt and improve these things. But it's certainly big picture.

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Speaker 27: It's a threat to the business model because there are

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Speaker 27: others in the market, and then there are other other

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Speaker 27: big brands that sell brand new products that are not

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Speaker 27: that expensive.

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Speaker 3: Good point, Body, thank you for that, Body Lang, who's

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Speaker 3: a marketing professor at mass University. Time is twenty to seven.

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Speaker 3: I have to say, the last few times I've been

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Speaker 3: on trade me, it's not that I don't want to

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Speaker 3: buy something. It's just that the thing that I want

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01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 3: to buy is not there. Like people aren't posting, people

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01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 3: aren't selling stuff like they used to do on trade me.

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01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 3: It's just not the same experience. David says Ryan trade

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01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 3: me upgraded their website and it was ten steps backwards.

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Speaker 3: They wrecked something that worked well and people left in

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01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 3: their droves. I hadn't noticed that that I didn't even

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01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 3: flinch that they had changed their website. That's not what

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01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,839
Speaker 3: drove me away. It's more just that, apart from property,

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01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 3: property has always been listed on there. But apart from that,

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01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 3: if you go look at I don't know, a tent

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01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 3: or something, it's just not the same as it used

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01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 3: to be. It seems like there's only a couple of

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01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 3: people on there. Maybe that's part of the problem. Nineteen

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Speaker 3: to seven news talks be we'll get to end the

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Speaker 3: Brady out of the UK.

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Speaker 2: Next, sprudging the numbers and getting the results. It's Wayne

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Speaker 2: Bridge on the Business Hour with MAS Motor Vehicle Insurance.

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Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands.

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Speaker 3: Used talks'd be sixteen away from seven. Well, I can

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Speaker 3: see why trade me is having to do the good

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Speaker 3: will right down. The feedback on the text machine not great, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Trade me is very antiquated, has been for some time.

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Speaker 3: Don't go near it, says Dennis. Trade Me says Gavin

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01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 3: has a seven point nine percent commission and has raised

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Speaker 3: their maximum amount caps, so I'm out, and other says

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Speaker 3: look at all the fees that they charge to sell

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Speaker 3: a car now for good to say sext should be

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Speaker 3: called extort me. There you go. No one's very keen

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Speaker 3: on it. No one not almost pay for anything these

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01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 3: days do that and presumably on Facebook marketplace they don't

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Speaker 3: charge you anything, do they. So why would you bother

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Speaker 3: paying something when you don't need to? Quarter to seven,

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge to the UK in the Brady a UK

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Speaker 3: correspondent with us in the Good evening.

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Speaker 9: Good morning to you, Hello Ryan, Hello all, good to

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Speaker 9: speak to you again.

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Speaker 3: Now we've got more talk of getting really for preparing

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Speaker 3: for watch out for war with Russia.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is very very concerning. This is the head

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Speaker 9: of the UK Armed Forces, so he's the top military

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Speaker 9: commander in Britain, Sir Richard Knighton. He's given a speech

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Speaker 9: in London at a defense institute think tank and basically

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Speaker 9: saying war with Russia is coming.

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Speaker 3: People are going to have to.

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Speaker 9: Make sacrifices, sons, daughters, families get ready for war with Russia.

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Speaker 9: So they're spelling it out and this is happening on

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Speaker 9: an almost weekly basis. Now we're seeing everyone in Europe

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Speaker 9: kind of ramping up. Germany's bringing it back in a

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01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 9: form of national service and spending an awful lot of

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Speaker 9: money on defense, whereas previously they didn't Poland. I was

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Speaker 9: there earlier this year. I interviewed their defense procurement minister

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01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 9: and I said to him, do you think you'll hit

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01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 9: five percent spend on GDP for defense this year? And

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01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 9: he said, if we need six percent, we'll do it.

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Speaker 9: If we need seven percent.

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Speaker 19: We'll do it.

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Speaker 9: Shall I keep going? That was what he said to me.

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01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 9: So Europe is ramping up, and I think everyone is

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01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 9: looking east, looking at what Putin is doing in Ukraine,

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Speaker 9: and certainly Sir Richard Knighton, head of the UK Armed Forces,

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01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 9: spelling out that the UK needs to get ready for

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01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 9: a war with Russia in the future.

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Speaker 3: You know the analogy when you're slowly bawling in the pot.

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01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 3: I mean, we get another one of these warnings every week.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know. Maybe it's because we're on the

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Speaker 3: other side of the world, but they don't feel it

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01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 3: doesn't feel feel like people are really pannicking or anything

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01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 9: What is the feeling like where you are? I think

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01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 9: nobody's panicking because look the job we do. We ask

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01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 9: questions of people. We interview politicians and defense people and

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Speaker 9: ministers and experts. I'm talking to people. My TV show

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01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 9: Roundtable is the current affairs show with Europe as the theme,

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Speaker 9: and every single week I'm talking to people on the

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01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 9: show and they're all worried. I mean, we've traveled this year.

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Speaker 9: We've been in Germany with the show, We've been to

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Speaker 9: Poland Warsaw as I said, and people in Europe are

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Speaker 9: very very concerned. However, if you walk down the streets

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Speaker 9: of England, Scotland, Wales right now, people are worried about

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Speaker 9: paying their mortgages, getting to Christmas with the paycheck, and

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01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 9: getting to January. Nobody has this as a priority. I

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01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 9: think what we're seeing is that the armed forces basically

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01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 9: wrapping the knuckles of government and saying, look, we need

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01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 9: more money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Same. Now, tell us about Cliff Richard had this

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01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 3: trip to New Zealand could have saved his life.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, there's an amazing story. So apparently Sir Cliff was

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01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 9: due to travel to New Zealand last year and his

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01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 9: promoter said, look, you're going to need travel insurance and

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01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 9: we just need to get your medical check to get

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01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 9: the travel insurance. And it was at that point he

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01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 9: went for the medical check and he was scanned and

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01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 9: tested and they found prostate cancer and he immediately underwent treatment.

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Speaker 9: He's eighty five years old now, and he has given

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Speaker 9: an interview to a friend of mine and former colleague

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Speaker 9: at skuy Dermot Mernahan, who has stage four prostate cancer,

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Speaker 9: and they had a wonderful conversation about prostate cancer and

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01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 9: the need for men to go and get themselves checked.

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Speaker 9: And Sir Cliff just letting it be known that a

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Speaker 9: trip to New Zealand has pretty much saved his life.

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Speaker 3: Finally, a rundown fan building at Sandringham is amac for Andrew.

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Speaker 1: Is this true?

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Speaker 9: So the Palace won't comment on individual private living arrangements

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01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 9: of individual private citizens, so basically pointing out that he

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01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 9: ain't no longer a prince. However, the local media have

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01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 9: noticed that the no fly zone over Sandringham has been

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01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 9: extended to a place called Marsh Farm, which is seven

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Speaker 9: miles west of the main house where the King will

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01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 9: spend Christmas. So why would they be extending and no

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01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 9: flies zone over a random property in the middle of nowhere.

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01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,600
Speaker 9: Apparently it's very run down, it's going to need a

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01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 9: lot of work to make it habitable. But the local

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01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 9: rumor mill is in overdrive that in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 9: that's where Andrew Mountbatten Windsor will be moving to. So

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01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 9: let's wait and see. I mean, I can't put in

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01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 9: towards how rural Sandringham is. Honestly, Ryan, I just can't

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01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,640
Speaker 9: see Andrew staying there. He likes shiny things, he likes

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01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 9: bright lights and the fast life and the good life

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Speaker 9: and rural Sandringham. I don't think it's for him.

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Speaker 3: I saw his story in the Daily Mail, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true or not. It was

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01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 3: about Fergie potentially having to live in an old cowshed

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01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 3: on Beatrice's one of Beats farms. Is that true?

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01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 9: Well, there is that property. I've seen exactly that same

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01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 9: story as well.

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01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 3: Everyone was talking about it.

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01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 9: The thing is some of them have paid only rental

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01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 9: mortgages anywhere in their entire adult lives. So where they live,

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Speaker 9: I think when you see what most people are struggling

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01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:13,560
Speaker 9: with rising energy, cross inflation, food builds, Christmas, there's not

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01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 9: a great deal of sympathy out there for these two.

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Speaker 1: No, there's not.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the Endebrady, a UK correspondent

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01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 3: ten minutes away from seven. The story it had photos

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Speaker 3: and everything, and it literally is an old dilapidated old

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01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 3: cow shed and one no, not even in one bedroom.

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01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 3: I think it was a bedsit, so she wouldn't even

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01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 3: have her own separate bedroom, and there would be no

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01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 3: one in the main house because it's not a permanent

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Speaker 3: resu It was in the cotswolves or something, so she'd

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01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 3: be out there on her own in a bedsit in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the countryside. As is not much sympathy

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01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 3: that was there ten to seven It's the Heather.

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Speaker 2: Two for see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 3: News talksib It is seven minutes away from seven GEZ.

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Speaker 3: People don't like trade Meet Ryan. I use trade me

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01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,640
Speaker 3: and Facebook marketplace, but listing an item on trade me

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01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 3: can be quite tedious because of the many steps that

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01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 3: are involved. In contrast marketplaces very quick. The credit card

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01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 3: charges are gone, et cetera, et cetera. I've noticed they

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01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 3: charge sellers two point one nine percent if a buyer

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01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 3: pays by a debit or a credit card. So not

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01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 3: only are they charging your fee, they then whack on

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01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 3: a surcharge. Now, if you are an elderly person or

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01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 3: if you have mobility issues, you're going to have to

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01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 3: pay more for public transport. This is one of those

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01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 3: decisions which and I'm yet to see how much in

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01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 3: total it will save, but just seems really measly. So

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01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 3: government is cutting the transport subsidies for the elderly and

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01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 3: disabled people from seventy five percent to sixty five percent.

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01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 3: This is if you're familiar with the Total Mobility scheme.

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01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 3: It basically gives you a discount for public transport fears

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01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 3: and for taxi, like if you need access to taxi,

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01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 3: you've got no other way getting around people who live

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01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 3: with long term impairments. So Chris Bishop, he's Transport Minister,

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01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 3: and Louise Upston, she's disability. They said that the previous

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01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 3: labor government boosted the scheme from a fifty percent subsidy

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01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two and then didn't account for the

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01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 3: increase in demand that would flow from that, and so

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01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 3: the upshoulders you've got a whole bunch more people and

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01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 3: therefore the whole scheme is far more expensive and too expensive,

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01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 3: and so now they're having to cut back. So their

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01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 3: argument is you are still better off now than you

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01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 3: were in twenty twenty two when it was only fifty percent,

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01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 3: but it's just gotten out of hand. So there you go.

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01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 3: I mean there'll be kickback, so you can imagine going

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01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,879
Speaker 3: into Christmas what labor is going to do with that information.

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01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 3: Over the next week, you're on News Talk SB and

1872
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 3: it is coming up to seven o'clock and it's what

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01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 3: are we going out to tonight?

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01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 30: Stay out of My Business by Tammy Nielsen. The players

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01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 30: outs note because Tammy Neilson is on the roster of Explore,

1876
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 30: well we already knew that, but the news out, the

1877
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:04,480
Speaker 30: very sad new is that this coming Splore in February

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01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:08,560
Speaker 30: at Tabakapanga Regional Park in Auckland is going to be

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01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,679
Speaker 30: the last one. The event is apparently not financially viable

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01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 30: anymore and they applied for that government event money but

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01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 30: didn't get me. So that's going to be the last one.

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01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 30: So if you were on the fence about going to Splore,

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01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 30: maybe go to this one because it is going to be,

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01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 30: as far as it looks, the very last one. You'll

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01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 30: be able to see Tammy Nielsen, Norwegian electropop band Royx

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01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,120
Speaker 30: up there coming over for it as well, Nightmares on Wax,

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01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 30: General Levy, Sister Nancy.

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01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:35,720
Speaker 3: It's as always a very very good lineup. All right, well,

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01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 3: hopefully people go for one last turra. Then thanks ants,

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01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 3: and thank you for all of your texts and your

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01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 3: feedback this afternoon. Very much enjoyed it. We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 19: And you want a pa.

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01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 18: The one have been coming to ride to Briddamn. A

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01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 18: woman stay home to raise the baby, must be nice

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01:39:30,439 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 18: to do nothing, ns be lazy and so she go

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01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 18: out to make them money.

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Speaker 3: How can you leave your babies? You're a bad down.

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01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: Mommy my friendness, my friend, my business.

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Speaker 3: Bisness. You got is your awn?

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