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Speaker 2: There be afternoon coming up on the show today. There's

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Speaker 2: a poll out today showing how many of us blame

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Speaker 2: state of the economy. I'll get you across that. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk to Chris Hopkins also to appear, Who's mayor, on

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Speaker 2: the chances, on his hopes that the Chateau can be

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Speaker 2: saved and the Udador flavel on what is going on

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Speaker 2: with the Malori Party now that JT has weighed in.

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Speaker 3: Two Heather duplicy Ellen, But.

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Speaker 2: First of all, can I start by offering an apology

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Speaker 2: to TV and Z. I gave them a bit of

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Speaker 2: grief last night for starting the news bulletin with the peaches.

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Speaker 2: But it turns out I was wrong and they were right.

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Speaker 2: This has sparked a flurry of debate over whether we

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Speaker 2: prefer our Watties teachers from Hawk's Bay, or whether we

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Speaker 2: don't really care if it comes from China or not.

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Speaker 2: It's also prompted a statement from what he's asking us

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Speaker 2: to support local growers. In other words, can we please

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Speaker 2: buy New Zealand maid Now that is a very nice sentiment,

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Speaker 2: but let's be honest. That's all it is. It is

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Speaker 2: a sentiment. It's not gonna work. I mean, this is me.

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Speaker 2: This is not me being cavalier about how hard this

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Speaker 2: must be for the Hawks Bay peach growers who are

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Speaker 2: losing their what he's contracts for them. This must be

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Speaker 2: absolutely devastating, and I feel terrible for them. But this

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Speaker 2: is me being realistic about the prospect of any buy

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Speaker 2: New Zealand made campaign working. What is New Zealand peaches,

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Speaker 2: According to Pack and Save's online store, are three dollars

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Speaker 2: ninety you can Pam's Cheap peaches and ninety nine cents

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Speaker 2: ninety nine cents can. Who is buying the three dollars

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Speaker 2: That makes no sense whatsoever? I mean, Look, maybe if

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Speaker 2: maid never works, does it never has. If it did,

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Speaker 2: we would still be wearing butter bullets and buying Juliet

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Speaker 2: about the closure of manufacturing businesses every other month, which today,

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Speaker 2: and took it all. I do the shopping in our

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Speaker 2: house ninety percent of the time. I don't even know

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Speaker 2: know where the canned food comes from. I absolutely do

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Speaker 2: not know where the dried good dried goods come from,

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Speaker 2: and often I'm not even really looking where the fresh

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Speaker 2: But that's basically a given, isn't it. It's simple economics.

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Speaker 2: It always will be. And even if what is has

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Speaker 2: think they already know the outcome, which is why they've

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Speaker 3: Ever duper c ellens.

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Speaker 2: Nine nine two is the text number, standard text feece apply.

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Speaker 2: Let me know what you think.

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Speaker 2: The government's immediately it's announced it's immediately stopping international adoptions.

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Speaker 2: Their Minister Responsible, Nicole McKee, says they're worried about abuse

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Speaker 2: and slavery and they've cited a case of one family

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Speaker 2: Barbara Sumner is with us right now. Have Barbara hi,

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Speaker 2: How can you families? I'm well, thank you? How can

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Speaker 2: families adopt that many children? Are there no checks? Can

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Speaker 2: you just go overseas get a child adopted and bring

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Speaker 4: Well, it depends. Yes, you can from some countries and

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Speaker 4: the government is absolutely right to suspend this and do

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Speaker 2: How many do you reckon we have every year, well.

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Speaker 4: In general, across all adoptions, we have less than one

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Speaker 2: And is that counting domestic adoptions as well.

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Speaker 4: Yes, although most of them now are surrogacy. There's very

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Speaker 4: few domestic adoptions. But the issue is much bigger than that,

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Speaker 4: and it's not as simple. The Minister has said that

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Speaker 4: then they have been able to bring those children and

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Speaker 4: young people back to New Zealand where they've been neglected,

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Speaker 4: abused or exploited. This is true, but what they're not

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Speaker 4: talking about is that once they are in the country,

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Speaker 4: they switched to the nineteen fifty five Adoption Act. So

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Speaker 4: it's a seventy year old act and they so if

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Speaker 4: you adopt in another jurisdiction and you enter New Zealand

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Speaker 4: are under our intercountry adoption laws, you switch to the

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Speaker 4: nineteen fifty five Act. There are no guarantees that any

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Speaker 4: adoptive home is safe, no checks, no balances, because once

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Speaker 4: you're on the fifty five Act there it's not welfare.

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Speaker 4: It's not treated like any form of welfare. It's you

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Speaker 4: are treated as if you are born to the adopters.

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Speaker 4: You gain a new birth certificate that shows your adopters

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Speaker 2: Oh, I see. Does that mean like as in, there

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Speaker 2: is no real reason for OT to come and knock

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Speaker 4: None whatsoever unless the child comes to their attention through

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Speaker 4: you know, the normal welfare issues. A teacher, you know,

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Speaker 4: the government says that it's the abuse of preventable and

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Speaker 4: acting decisively to prevent future harm to children and adopted

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Speaker 4: overseas into unsafe situations. But we don't. You can't have

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Speaker 4: it both ways. You can't have a nineteen fifty five

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Speaker 4: Act that, by the way, covers the lives and controls

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Speaker 4: the lives of over one hundred thousand people in New

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Speaker 4: any kind of records that may exist for that adoption

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Speaker 4: become secret. They're completely hidden at the point of the

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Speaker 2: Right. So what that sounds like to me is so

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Speaker 2: Nicole McKee has only temporarily suspended the adoptions, and obviously

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Speaker 2: some things need to change before she lifts that suspension

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Speaker 2: and obviously what needs to change according to you, as

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of legislation.

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Speaker 4: You can't change one without the other if you are

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Speaker 4: just bant international adoptions from countries that are not signatories

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Speaker 4: to the Hay Convention on Into Country Adoption. But it

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Speaker 4: doesn't change the fact that these children come in and

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Speaker 4: are then controlled under a seventy year old act. And

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Speaker 4: you know, in arang Tamariki has made a number of

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Speaker 4: where we're at with it, and it's very easy to

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Speaker 4: tell you exactly how it is. So for instance, o

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Speaker 4: Anga Tamariki said recently in their most recent submission that

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Speaker 4: adoptions that they make sure that the adoption would serve

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Speaker 4: the best interests of the child. But no, we have

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Speaker 4: no data that tells us what best interest is we

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Speaker 4: have There are not a single there's not a single

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Speaker 4: outcome study in New Zealand seventy years. We have no

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Speaker 4: idea of what the long term impacts of adoption are,

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Speaker 4: whether they are in the best interests of the person.

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Speaker 2: Well as I say, lots of work to do while

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Speaker 2: the suspension is underway. Thank you very much, Barbara, Doctor

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Speaker 2: Barbara Sumner, adoption researcher. Listen quick update on the priests

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Speaker 2: that these are the ones chained to Nikola Willis's electorate office. Literally,

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Speaker 2: the update I'm going to give you is that they're

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Speaker 2: wearing adult nappies. That was the up I was gonna

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Speaker 2: was about to tell you, I thought, jez, your childish,

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Speaker 2: aren't you? Yes, I am. They're wearing adult nappies. I

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Speaker 2: think that's relevant. It explains how they manage to stake

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Speaker 2: it out because as far as I'm aware, they are

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Speaker 2: you know, you can do that. You can go without

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Speaker 2: I apologize. Anyway, They now say that they are planning

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Speaker 2: don't think Nicholas going to meet with them, so we'll

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Speaker 2: be the old tummy that needs a bit of food.

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Speaker 2: Sorry Heather. I eat peaches each day for breakfast. I

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Speaker 2: buy what is because they're New Zealand grown. I don't

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Speaker 2: buy the others as they aren't, but I will buy

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Speaker 2: any brand oh as in like no no brand loyalty

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Speaker 2: as long as it's New Zealand. I'd love to know

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Speaker 2: how many people out there are like that. Reckon are

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Speaker 5: Hello does walking on the beaches looking at the peach

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Speaker 5: as Dan and at the stranglers. That's all I think

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Speaker 5: about when I hear peaches? Do you yeah? So what?

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Speaker 5: There's news something about pizzas well?

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Speaker 2: Have you one with one? Have you ever heard of

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Speaker 2: the musician peaches?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm not going to sing any of her

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Speaker 5: I choast not to, but the Stranglers that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Because that is some rating stuff right there. Anyway, listen,

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Speaker 2: can we get any more out of eden Park? Do

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Speaker 2: you think what is this? What is this league game

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Speaker 2: that the Minister Louise Upston slipped to us yesterday on

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Speaker 2: the show that eden Park is trying to secure but

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Speaker 5: They're thrown up the concept of having a state of

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Speaker 2: And the state of origin is a weakn.

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Speaker 5: Well and also the state of origin has to be

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Speaker 5: late and then starting at ten o'clock and finishing it.

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Speaker 2: And at week nights, eden Park's only allowed seven thirty

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Speaker 2: to nine thirty, so no state of origin, completely impossible

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Speaker 2: to even before pretty much yeah, okay, but that.

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Speaker 5: Seems a little insane. I mean, you look at dispensation.

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Speaker 5: Here's what I get about this. And Helen Clark's going

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Speaker 5: to join the program Sports Talk up after seven o'clock's

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Speaker 5: talk about this, because she's obviously been very vocal and

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Speaker 5: at criticism and a lot of that is based on well,

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Speaker 5: you don't maximize what you've got anyway, so why we

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Speaker 5: want to give you any more. It's all we've got.

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Speaker 5: That's what I that's what I'm working on. We're not

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Speaker 5: going to get a downtown stadium. Maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 5: My child's children might get to go to one, but

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Speaker 2: Said me, Heather, did you see John Thommerhead's response? He so,

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Speaker 2: There is so much more.

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Speaker 10: And that's the deal we reached.

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Speaker 2: And finally, two people in Zambia have gone to prison

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Speaker 10: So it's still not across the line yet Carralbo, but

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Speaker 10: Well, I think most Australians are already on board with this.

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Speaker 2: by the way, it.

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Speaker 3: Is Heather do for Clan Heather.

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Speaker 2: The general public. Blaming National is like blaming the fire

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Speaker 2: department rather than the arsonists. It's crazy, Matt Will. In

439
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Speaker 2: this analogy, you do realize National being the fire department,

440
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Speaker 2: are trying to put the fire out the kitchen tap

441
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Speaker 2: while having beers in the corner. That's the problem. That's

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Speaker 2: why Nationals coppying the blame here. Anyway, we'll talk to

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Speaker 2: Chippy about it later. Yeah, So what's going on with

444
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Speaker 2: the Maori Party is now Maori Party President John Talmahera

445
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Speaker 2: has backed up Tarkuter Feris for that weird eight minute

446
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Speaker 2: midnight post where he was just unbelievably racist towards migrant

447
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Speaker 2: communities and Parqui Ha as well. JT says, basically what

448
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Speaker 2: Tarkuter said was right, having a crack at the migrant

449
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Speaker 2: communities helping labor in the by election. He just could

450
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Speaker 2: have said it better and is a little too aggressive.

451
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Speaker 2: He said what Tarkuter said in substance was right. It

452
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Speaker 2: is wrong for other folks to politic in Marori seats

453
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Speaker 2: because I don't go over to their countries like the

454
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Speaker 2: British raj and destroy India. I don't rage the Opium

455
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Speaker 2: War as the British did with the Chinese. I don't

456
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Speaker 2: place all people from Africa into slavery like white Europe did, right,

457
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Speaker 2: so I expect some co mutuality of respect. God only

458
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Speaker 2: knows what he means, Like literally, who knows what he means? Anyway,

459
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Speaker 2: there is something though weird going on here, and I'm

460
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Speaker 2: hoping Chippy can explain this because I don't understand there's

461
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Speaker 2: two possibilities here. Remember Debbie has apologized for this. When

462
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Speaker 2: Chippy called Debbie, She's like, oh, sorry, this doesn't reflect

463
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Speaker 2: our vues. Now, either Debbie is playing Chippy and that's

464
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Speaker 2: a possibility, right that she was like Thorry but then

465
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Speaker 2: actually isn't sorry at all. That's a possibility. Or there

466
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Speaker 2: is a massive breakdown going on in the Maori Party

467
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Speaker 2: because Debbie's come down on Takoota apparently and said he's

468
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Speaker 2: got to get rid of the post. He won't get

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Speaker 2: rid of the post. JT backs him up. What's her face?

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Speaker 2: Couple king, he's lost the Whipso a whole bunch of

471
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Speaker 2: stuff is going on there, either a breakdown or somebody's

472
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Speaker 2: being made the fool off. So anyway, we'll have a

473
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Speaker 2: chat to Chippy after five and then to udud Or

474
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Speaker 2: Flavel who was co leader when the Mary Party was

475
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Speaker 2: still respectable. He will be with us after half past

476
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Speaker 2: five seventeen to two.

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Speaker 1: The politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting stuff's come out of a separate poll altogether

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Speaker 2: about what we're predicting is going to happen in the

481
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Speaker 2: next twenty five years. I'll run you through that shortly

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Speaker 2: right now, fourteen away from five. Barry so Per, Senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondence with us A Barry Good afternoon. Hea it right,

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Speaker 2: So the adoption laws, what do you make of this?

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Speaker 7: Well, I must have had my head buried in the

486
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Speaker 7: sand or something. I didn't realize there was so much

487
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Speaker 7: abuse going on with the kids being brought to this country.

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Speaker 7: There was a woman I was reading about, Chris Takamata,

489
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Speaker 7: who's a social worker, and last May she spoke about

490
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Speaker 7: the harrowing cases that she's encountered. Between twenty nineteen and

491
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Speaker 7: twenty twenty four, she helped ten some on teenagers who

492
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Speaker 7: managed to escape homes and slavery. She said, two boys

493
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Speaker 7: and eight girls. And she said when they arrived, they

494
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Speaker 7: generally told they're going to have a better life over here,

495
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Speaker 7: and then they're put into slavery. And what they do

496
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Speaker 7: is they get up at five or six in the morning,

497
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Speaker 7: they start cleaning, They do breakfast, to the wash and

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Speaker 7: go to school, come home, do cleaning again, dinner and

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Speaker 7: other chores. And that goes on day after day after day.

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Speaker 7: Acts Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee, who's the sponsor of

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Speaker 7: today's bill, says they can't wait to stop this, which

502
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Speaker 7: is why they're putting controls on the Family Court right now.

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Speaker 11: The court can make adoption orders for applicants and children

504
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Speaker 11: anywhere in the world. We're going to limit that power

505
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Speaker 11: so the court generally only makes adoption orders where both

506
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Speaker 11: the child and adoptive parents live.

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Speaker 7: In New Zealand.

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Speaker 11: Mister Speaker, we are progressing this bill under urgency because

509
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Speaker 11: we cannot in good conscience stand by while children are

510
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Speaker 11: at risk. We do need to act now. I acknowledge

511
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Speaker 11: that this change won't be easy news for some families,

512
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Speaker 11: but keeping children safe is our top priority.

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Speaker 7: You'd have to agree with that, and I heard the

514
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Speaker 7: interview you had earlier. She was absolutely right totally.

515
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Speaker 2: What did you make of that poll out today?

516
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Speaker 7: It was interesting. I know the aspect that interested you

517
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Speaker 7: who was blame the blame the blame game. But I'll

518
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Speaker 7: tell you what it interests me is because that could

519
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Speaker 7: well be The poll shows a hung parliament sixty apiece,

520
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Speaker 7: but if the Maldi Party retained the six seats it

521
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Speaker 7: currently holds, there would be an overhang of one seat,

522
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Speaker 7: so that there'd be one hundred and twenty one seats

523
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Speaker 7: in parliament, sixty one to the center left, sexty to

524
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Speaker 7: the center right. And it means that the Maori Party

525
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Speaker 7: itself would be probably that well not probably would be

526
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Speaker 7: the most powerful junior party in the House because they

527
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Speaker 7: would either determine whether Labour could govern or not, so

528
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Speaker 7: that gives him a very powerful position. Indeed, well, I

529
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Speaker 7: know you're going to be talking to Chris Hopkins after five,

530
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Speaker 7: but today he casts out on that after the comments

531
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Speaker 7: of Takuta Ferris about minor ethnicities campaigning for Labor and

532
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Speaker 7: Maldy seats.

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Speaker 12: I've made it very clear that I don't see any

534
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Speaker 12: place in New Zealand politics for that kind of sentiment.

535
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Speaker 12: We should be focused on bringing people together that reins

536
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Speaker 12: recognizing the huge contribution that all of our communities make

537
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Speaker 12: to Altado. If Takuta Ferris's comments reflect the broader views

538
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Speaker 12: of the Maori Party, that would make it very difficult

539
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Speaker 12: for Labor to work with them. Before the next election,

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Speaker 12: we will set out very clearly which parties we can

541
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Speaker 12: and can't work with.

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Speaker 7: See that's that is a big problem I think for

543
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Speaker 7: Labor this poll. And that's an acknowledgment obviously by Chris

544
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Speaker 7: Hopkins there.

545
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest, right as the numbers are,

546
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Speaker 2: it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 7: But it's interesting the number of overhangs you get, and

548
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Speaker 7: I didn't realize we'd had so many. I mean this

549
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Speaker 7: current parliament's one hundred and twenty three members. Yeah, look

550
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Speaker 7: at an overhang of three. It's the biggest overhang that

551
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Speaker 7: we've had since MMP started in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 2: That is fascinating. So what has my name been?

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Speaker 7: Yes, well, the Reserve Bank Kerfuffel with the resignations of

554
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Speaker 7: the Governor, Adrian Or and then the board chair Neil

555
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Speaker 7: Quigley at god Neering in Parliament today again Nichola willis

556
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Speaker 7: being in the firing line. Labour's finance spokes woman Barbara

557
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Speaker 7: Edmonds used a comment from you Heather to make a

558
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Speaker 7: point here.

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Speaker 11: She is does she agree with Heather Duplessy Allen that says, quote,

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Speaker 11: it just looks like a giant cover up, doesn't it.

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Speaker 11: Unquote mister speaker.

562
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Speaker 13: No, although I have made clear that I'm very disappointed

563
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Speaker 13: with the way the Reserve Bank has handled this matter.

564
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Speaker 1: Is the Minister concerned about her government's management of the

565
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Speaker 1: public service given the number of high profile senior resignations

566
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Speaker 1: that have occurred since she took office.

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Speaker 13: Mister Speaker, it simply observes that in some cases, resignations

568
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Speaker 13: would be better for the reputation of organizations than people

569
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Speaker 13: not resigning, staying on, defying their leadership and saying very

570
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Speaker 13: racist things.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's somewhat Backbard on White to Tea somehow.

572
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Speaker 2: Hey, how good is it that Babs listens to the show?

573
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Speaker 7: Well there you go, yeah she does, Law pointed out

574
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Speaker 7: to it.

575
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Speaker 2: I want no very stop ruining it, stop ruining the moment.

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Speaker 7: Well, you're at Hansards now forever in a day, pitle me.

577
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Speaker 2: And Babs connected forever. Thank you, Barry Arry so for

578
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Speaker 2: senior political correspondent, nine away from five, putting.

579
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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers the mic, asking Breakfast to.

580
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Speaker 14: Review into the role of Eden Park.

581
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Speaker 3: They are current rules.

582
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Speaker 14: There are only six artists allowed to play twelve shows

583
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Speaker 14: a year, only on certain days. And it's just embarrassing

584
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Speaker 14: how bad we are as the country. Chris Bishop is

585
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Speaker 14: the REMA reform ministries, well as do you feel the

586
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Speaker 14: same way.

587
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Speaker 3: It's just pathetic. It's comical, isn't it.

588
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Speaker 15: And the worst is therely allowed four concerts in a

589
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Speaker 15: four week period. So if you want a good run

590
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Speaker 15: of acts come out, you can't.

591
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Speaker 14: So why is the announcement about an investigation as opposed

592
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Speaker 14: to just getting on and doing it.

593
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Speaker 15: Because the law required me to do that, so we

594
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Speaker 15: gave ourselves the ability and central government to do this

595
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Speaker 15: just a couple of weeks ago. This is a very

596
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Speaker 15: new power and it requires me to start an investigation

597
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Speaker 15: and consult with people, and then I have to make

598
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Speaker 15: an assessment.

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Speaker 14: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 14: Maybe's Real Estate News talks.

601
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Speaker 2: Before I get to the pole, five away from five

602
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Speaker 2: obviously middle distance star Jordy Beamish, this has made some

603
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: big news today, won a history making gold medal for

604
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Speaker 2: New Zealand in the three thousand meter men's steeple chase

605
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Speaker 2: at the World Athletics Championships and apparently came out of nowhere.

606
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Speaker 16: We are as tes pretty trying to hang on to

607
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Speaker 16: the poms, but here comes Tony Beamish Albert carving over

608
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Speaker 16: that last barrier. Watch the kywi he finishes so quickly,

609
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Speaker 16: How he is coming? How is closing best sidey side?

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Speaker 1: And this time it.

611
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Speaker 2: Comes to Tamish abayat to Alec McNabb, who's his high

612
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Speaker 2: school coach and probably incredibly proud today he'll be with

613
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Speaker 2: us quarter pass now. Apparently. Okay, So there's another poll

614
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Speaker 2: out today and it's full of predictions, which is actually

615
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Speaker 2: more interesting than it sounds. Apparently, I'm to start with

616
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Speaker 2: the boring one first. Apparently most of us think that

617
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Speaker 2: there will be a capital games tax in the next

618
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Speaker 2: twenty five years. This pole is from Talbot Mills. They

619
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Speaker 2: ask key we adults to judge how likely a series

620
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Speaker 2: of events would be in twenty fifty and the question

621
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Speaker 2: will there be a capital gains tax? Fifty five percent

622
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Speaker 2: of us said yes, only nineteen percent of us said no,

623
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Speaker 2: and twenty six percent of us were unsure. Then people

624
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Speaker 2: were asked will the country be richer or poorer in

625
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Speaker 2: twenty fifty Forty four percent of us the most of

626
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Speaker 2: the plurality forty four percent said we will be poorer

627
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: in twenty five years time, Thirty seven percent said we

628
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: will be richer in nineteen percent We're not sure. Asked

629
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Speaker 2: if cannabis will be legal, sixty four percent said yes,

630
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: twenty five percent said no. Asked if we will have

631
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Speaker 2: to make a huge retreat, I don't really do you

632
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: conduct a huge retreat in land from rising seas? Fifty

633
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Speaker 2: three percent of us said we will ha ha. We're

634
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: not doing that, you guys. We're not on mass going

635
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Speaker 2: to migrate up the hills because the sea's coming up.

636
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: But anyway, glad Fifty three percent of us think that's

637
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: going to happen. Fifty eight percent of us predict a

638
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: collapse in coastal property values more likely, but also probably

639
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: not going to happen. Now we can laugh at these

640
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: predictions as being you know, like you're ridiculous, it's not

641
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: going to happen, but apparently we often get it right.

642
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety nine, forty percent of ki we was

643
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Speaker 2: predicted there would be a large global pandemic, which is

644
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: a weird thing to predict, but they did and they

645
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: got it right. Fifty seven percent predicted that gay marriage

646
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Speaker 2: would be legalized, and look it happened. Now we're going

647
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Speaker 2: to deal with Chippy next. Despite your texts telling me

648
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Speaker 2: that your ears are bleeding and stuff like that, it's

649
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Speaker 2: going to happen. And then also the mayor of rue

650
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Speaker 2: Pair who Western Curtain, there's a move on to try

651
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Speaker 2: to save the chateau. He's taken a petition to Parliament

652
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Speaker 2: today fifteen thousand people want the government to do something

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Speaker 2: about it. Have chat to the pair of them soon newstogs'd.

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Speaker 10: Be I did care of finey came.

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Speaker 17: We did break.

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Speaker 3: Person, weak person, We do break in the seeing the

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Speaker 3: newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather dup cl and drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: to coverage like no one else News Dog ZIV.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. It turns out more voters blame this government than

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Speaker 2: Justinder's government for the state of the economy. According to

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Speaker 2: the latest R and Z Reid Research poll, thirty eight

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Speaker 2: percent of voters blame the coalition government, thirty one percent

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Speaker 2: of voters blamed the previous labor government, and twenty four

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Speaker 2: percent of voters blame both. Chris Hopkins is the labor leader.

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Speaker 2: Hidhchippie good A.

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Speaker 3: Jeez.

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Speaker 2: People have short memories for what you people did to

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Speaker 2: the economy.

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Speaker 12: Ah ah here they drop you drop your National Party spin.

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Speaker 12: I think New Zealanders can see that things are going

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Speaker 12: backwards under this government. They came in. They said they

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Speaker 12: were going to fix the cost of living. They're making

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Speaker 12: it worse. They said they were going to get people

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Speaker 12: into work. Unemployments going up. They said they were going

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Speaker 12: to grow the economy, economic growth is stalled, and in

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Speaker 12: fact evidence suggests it's going backwards. People can see that

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Speaker 12: things are getting worse rather than better.

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Speaker 2: Oh dis government, Okay, what's what's your plan to fix it?

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Speaker 12: Well, we're going to have to take some long term

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Speaker 12: ch make some long term decisions as a country. We've

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Speaker 12: got to get New Zealand investing in productive businesses rather

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Speaker 12: than just relying on the housing market going up in

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Speaker 12: value in order to grow our economy. We've also got

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Speaker 12: to make sure that we're not just relying on population

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Speaker 12: growth to grow our economy. We actually have to.

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Speaker 2: Productivity, which we already know. But what I you. You

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Speaker 2: haven't got any plans yet, have you.

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Speaker 12: We're going to set out well, we'll set out a

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Speaker 12: few things before the end of the year about how

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Speaker 12: we will do things differently. But right now the ball

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Speaker 12: is in the government's court. They are the ones who

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Speaker 12: are governing the country on a daily basis and making

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Speaker 12: things worse.

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Speaker 2: Is your plan, including your CGT, Are you finally going

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Speaker 2: to get that off your chest?

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Speaker 12: Well, well, I've said that we'll set out of text

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Speaker 12: policy before the end of the year and we will

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Speaker 12: definitely do that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, Now, what is going on with the Maori Party.

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Speaker 18: I'm not entirely sure.

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Speaker 12: I think that, you know, Taku to Varus' comments last

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Speaker 12: week and John Tummyheady's comments today are really of they're unhelpful,

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Speaker 12: and you know, I absolutely don't think there's any place

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Speaker 12: for them in political debate in New Zealand. You know,

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Speaker 12: we should be focused on bringing the country together, on

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Speaker 12: finding ground where people can come together in a spirit

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Speaker 12: of unity. And I just think that the Mardi Party's comments,

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Speaker 12: you know, mostly tarkuter Ferus' comments, but also are the

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Speaker 12: ones John Tamerheady made today are incompatible with that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So is there internal disagreement going on given that

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Speaker 2: Debbie has apologized to you, but then tarcuter won't take

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Speaker 2: it down, and then John John talmerhead is back him up.

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Speaker 2: Is there is there a breakdown between them?

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Speaker 12: That's really a question for the Mardi Party. I take

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Speaker 12: DeBie at her word. Well, when I spoke to Debbie

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Speaker 12: Nadi Wapaka, she said that they didn't reflect the views

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Speaker 12: that tarkuter Ferus' comments did not. She played the Mardi Party,

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Speaker 12: and well, I took it to be very genuine. I've

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Speaker 12: found her and my communications with her previously to be

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Speaker 12: very genuine and I have no reason to doubt.

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Speaker 2: That because it's one of the two, isn't it chippy?

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Speaker 2: It's either that she is played and you or there

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Speaker 2: is a breakdown between her and John Palmerhetty which is

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Speaker 2: reasonably significant.

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Speaker 12: Well, that's really a question for them rather than for me.

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Speaker 12: I mean I accepted Debbie Nadie were Packer's word last

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Speaker 12: week that you know that didn't reflect her party's view.

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Speaker 12: John Tamahetty's comments this morning aren't particularly helpful in that regard.

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Speaker 2: No, look, I know that it is a question for her,

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Speaker 2: but she doesn't that none of them speak to the

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Speaker 2: mainstream media. So what can we do about that? The

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Speaker 2: problem for you that I fillesee is that if you

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Speaker 2: were to form a government with them, which you would

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Speaker 2: need to do on current numbers, you can't just take

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Speaker 2: this kind of hands off approach. Right If they start

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Speaker 2: acting up like this, you're going to be the prime

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Speaker 2: minister who has to explain what you're going to do

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Speaker 2: about it. What can you actually do about it? If

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Speaker 2: Takuta doesn't even listen to his leader, he's not going

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Speaker 2: to listen to you.

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Speaker 12: I'm encouraged by where Labor's out at the polls. Now

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Speaker 12: we're doing much better than we were yet the last election, clearly.

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Speaker 12: But my goal between now and this time next year

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Speaker 12: when we're heading into the next election, is to grow

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Speaker 12: Labour's support significantly more.

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Speaker 2: Are you trying to say, you say you don't need

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Speaker 2: the Malori Party.

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Speaker 12: Well, in an ideal world, you know we'd get a

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Speaker 12: Labor majority. We don't live in an ideal world. That's

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Speaker 12: highly unlikely only MMP. We'd need to work with other parties.

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Speaker 12: But if we can get Labour support up to the

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Speaker 12: point where we can where we have other options, that

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Speaker 12: would be much much better. So that's my goal is

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Speaker 12: to try and get Labor support as high as I can.

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Speaker 2: All right, should be good luck with that, Chris Hopkins.

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Speaker 2: Labor Party leader Heather Duplessy Ellen to repair Who's mayor

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Speaker 2: has delivered a petition to Parliament today asking the government

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Speaker 2: to save the chateau. More than fifteen thousand people have

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Speaker 2: signed the petition asking for a repair and then reopening

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Speaker 2: of the building, which has now been closed for two years.

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Speaker 2: And the mayor Western Cursion is with us a Western.

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Speaker 19: Yes, sir, good evening.

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Speaker 3: Hell on, So do you want that.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, that's so time mate, It's right, Okay, what

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Speaker 2: do you want the government to do repair it?

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Speaker 20: Eh?

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Speaker 19: Well, what we want to do is actually get them

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Speaker 19: to break down some of the barriers and provide a

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Speaker 19: pathway for the future. And we know that there are

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Speaker 19: investors out there that are prepared to put forward their

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Speaker 19: money towards us. So we're not talking about taxpayer funding

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Speaker 19: this project. We're talking about getting a platform for investors.

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Speaker 19: And we know that they've got.

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Speaker 3: The belogi there.

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Speaker 2: Why aren't they doing it?

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Speaker 17: Oh?

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Speaker 19: Well, the government obviously don't know who's out there yet,

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Speaker 19: and they don't know what we know in terms of

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Speaker 19: the investors that are prepared to put forward their aspirations

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Speaker 19: and get on with the job. But at the moment

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Speaker 19: we're talking with government to actually get that started.

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Speaker 2: Is the problem for the investors the length of the

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Speaker 2: concession that would be offered to them, Like how long

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Speaker 2: they're able to have that building once they've prepared it.

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Speaker 19: Yes, that's spot on. It's really a batter. Is the

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Speaker 19: government prepared to allow a long term arrangement with investors

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Speaker 19: based on the sort of magnitude of the fundingness requires?

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Speaker 2: Weston, what's the available length. Is it five years at

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Speaker 2: the moment.

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Speaker 19: No, it's a bit more than that, Heather. We're talking

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Speaker 19: thirty years plus. But we don't know what the government's

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Speaker 19: thinking are with the chateau on its own, or we're

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Speaker 19: looking at the possibility of one hundred odd years. Hundred

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Speaker 19: and twenty years is what the investors are talking about.

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Speaker 19: To do that, we need to have properly intervention by

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Speaker 19: the government to provide that the sort of people.

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Speaker 2: And you know what you're asking for are because this

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Speaker 2: is not a government problem, this is the EWI, So

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Speaker 2: you're asking the government to overrule the eerie here.

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Speaker 19: I don't think we should be beating up ELI on.

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Speaker 2: This, I think, but that's how the concessions work well.

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Speaker 19: I think they have an important part to play in

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Speaker 19: terms of getting concessions or any arrangement we have with

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Speaker 19: our area. And we're working hard with EWI to actually

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Speaker 19: engage with them to make sure that they are aware

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Speaker 19: of what's a going on and b can they be

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Speaker 19: involved in it. And so far we're getting very good

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Speaker 19: vibes on e WEI and the representatives. Harpo concluded, to

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Speaker 19: see what is involved in getting this over the line,

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Speaker 19: and so far we're getting good feedback from them because

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Speaker 19: they want to be part of the success story of

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Speaker 19: this because it's such a huge interest in the area

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Speaker 19: here of combination and also other activities that we've got

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Speaker 19: in the park.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm so please to hear that. In good luck

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Speaker 2: with that Western Curtain to a pair who district mayor Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you don't know how the concessions work, Doc hands

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Speaker 2: out the concession which is basically are like a lease period,

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Speaker 2: but the ere we get the final sale on how

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Speaker 2: long that is an ere. We have shortened up concession

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Speaker 2: periods all over the country, so if they lengthen this out,

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Speaker 2: that would be a wonderful thing and would also be

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Speaker 2: a bit of a surprise, to be honest. Fourteen past five.

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Speaker 3: Ever, do for CLA, I have excellent news.

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Speaker 2: For you on the environment, which I think will probably

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Speaker 2: be overdue, because you know what the world's going. I

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Speaker 2: don't know to hell in a handcut over the climate.

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Speaker 2: The ozone layer, however, is moving in the opposite direction

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Speaker 2: and repairing itself. It should be fully repaired by twenty

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Speaker 2: fifty so by the time my children are adults, they

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Speaker 2: will not have to worry so much about getting burned.

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Speaker 2: The UN says the ozone hole over the Antarctic is

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Speaker 2: smaller last year than it was in recent years. They

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Speaker 2: say it's because we've all been trying to not hair

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Speaker 2: spray so much and with the fridges and stuff. But

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Speaker 2: also it is partially due to naturally occurring atmospheric factors

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Speaker 2: which drive year to year fluctuations, which we all knew

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Speaker 2: the case, didn't we It's just how it works. Quarter

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Speaker 2: past Hey, if you're thinking about getting a bid and

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Speaker 2: if you are, you need to look at the shark sex.

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Speaker 2: If you're thinking about it, but you're worried about the

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Speaker 2: things that you've heard about electric vehicles, how about we

844
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Speaker 2: dispel some of those ev myths for you. You know

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Speaker 2: how they tell you that the batteries only last a

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Speaker 2: few years. That's not true. The bid Blade battery has

847
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Speaker 2: an eight year warranty, but it's designed to last a

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Speaker 2: lot longer. In fact, it's actually known as the hundred

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Speaker 2: year battery, and it should last thirty odd years in

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Speaker 2: the car, and then another fifty to seventy years as

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Speaker 2: stand by storage battery for maybe your house if you

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Speaker 2: need it. And you know when they say that you

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Speaker 2: can't charge you can't fast charge the EV batteries to

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent all the time. That's all so wrong

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Speaker 2: because BYD batteries can be rapper charged all of the

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Speaker 2: time with no effect on the warranty. In fact, BYD

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Speaker 2: has actually invented flash charging, which is a thousand killer.

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Speaker 2: What's charging It fills the vehicle from empty to full

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Speaker 2: in under five minutes. And they've got the tech in

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Speaker 2: China right now. It's going to come to New Zealand

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Speaker 2: in the not so distant future. And then you know

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Speaker 2: how they say that evs are expensive, no surprise to you.

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Speaker 2: Wrong again. In fact, b D is celebrating the fact

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Speaker 2: that they've increased their sales in a year by four

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. So what they're doing is they're landing more

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Speaker 2: of the Shark six YU to New Zealand, which is awesome.

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Speaker 2: And then they're offering you four thousand dollars worth of

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Speaker 2: accessories free for a limited time. That'll bring that price

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Speaker 2: down even further. So check it out for yourself at

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Speaker 2: BYD auto dot Co dot m z ever duplicy Allen

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Speaker 2: nineteen past five now huge win overnight for Jordy Beamish

872
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Speaker 2: at the World Athletics in Tokyo chnick.

873
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Speaker 16: Kywait, Heath finishes so quick? Kay he is coming? How's closing?

874
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: Best side?

875
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 16: Flice side and this time it goes to Bemish Albercarni

876
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 16: is beaten on the line.

877
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 2: Now, the twenty eight year old one goal in gold

878
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: in the three thousand meters steeple chase, the first ever

879
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: medal of any kind on the track at the World

880
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: Champs level. His finish has been compared to running legend

881
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: Peter Snell in his prime. Cam Mitchell is the chief

882
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: executive of Athletics New Zealand and with us hey.

883
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 17: Cam Hey, they help things good.

884
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: How are you? You were at the race as your

885
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Speaker 2: heart's slowed down.

886
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 3: Slowly getting there.

887
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 21: It was a pretty special night. It was amazing to

888
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 21: be there.

889
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: How did we not know that he had this in him?

890
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 2: Did you know he had this in him?

891
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 9: I did?

892
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 17: I believed.

893
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 21: I mean, I'm not sure if you saw the World

894
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 21: Indoor fifteen hundred meters where he kicked off the back

895
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 21: straight with two hundred togo and won in a similar style.

896
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 21: So he certainly got that impressive speed at the tail

897
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 21: end of the race. And yeah, it was just an

898
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 21: amazing race from him to sort of come from.

899
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 17: Eighth or teenth.

900
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 21: I think he was with four hundred to go, and

901
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 21: I guess the storyline with the heat where he got

902
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 21: knocked over and took a shoe to the face and

903
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 21: picked himself up and finished the race. So he's built

904
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 21: an a massive following over here. It's been really awesome

905
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 21: to see.

906
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 2: Do you think the comparisons with Peter Snell are fair?

907
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 9: Oh?

908
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 21: Look, I think if any New Zealanders winning at this level,

909
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 21: then they deserve to be held in that esteem with

910
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 21: people like Peter and John Walker and various other amazing

911
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 21: track athletes that we've had in our history of athletics.

912
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: And when where do you reckon Geordie is in his career?

913
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: Is he sort of at the start of it, part

914
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: way through reaching the end? I mean twenty eight for

915
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Speaker 2: running that seems the old.

916
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 21: No, No, he's still got a long way to go.

917
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 21: So he's I mean, he's sort of sort of flip

918
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 21: flopped between the fifteen hundred and the steeple. He's now

919
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Speaker 21: landed on the steeple and he's world class that we've

920
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 21: seen last night, So yeah, I mean the kick that

921
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 21: he has the ability to finish a race with that

922
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 21: level of speed is pretty impressive. So yeah, he's certainly

923
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Speaker 21: got a huge future and I guess the Olympics in

924
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Speaker 21: la is a couple of years away and we're hopeful

925
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 21: that he'll be able to put on a strong footing there.

926
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: How's he going? Has he come down from the high

927
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: of the wind?

928
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 21: Yeah, he's having a great day. He's had a lot

929
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 21: of media interests as mum and dad and brother is

930
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 21: over here as well, so he's been enjoying time with

931
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Speaker 21: his family and naturally on a pretty of a high.

932
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: I bet he is okay. So this is a name

933
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: we need to get to know.

934
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Speaker 21: Yeah, sure do and Hamish Kurz jumping tonight in the final,

935
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Speaker 21: and then we've got our three female pole waddles along

936
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Speaker 21: the final on Wednesday nights. So lots more metal opportunities

937
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 21: we hope for the New Zealand athletes here in Tokyo.

938
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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Hey, Cam, thank you very much. Enjoy yourself.

939
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Speaker 2: It's Cam Mitchell, the chief executive of Athletics New Zealand.

940
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Speaker 2: We were going to speak to his high school coach,

941
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Speaker 2: by the way, but unfortunately Cam got in touch with

942
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Speaker 2: us and so Cam's there, so we had to speak

943
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Speaker 2: to cam goodness here, the lots of people have short memories. Grant,

944
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: Jinda and Chris are getting off too easy. They absolutely

945
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Speaker 2: ruined the economy. That's a fair point, though, isn't it.

946
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Speaker 17: It is?

947
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: And isn't that disappointing that you can go and just

948
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Speaker 2: vandalize something and then get away with it. Anyway, Let's

949
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Speaker 2: talk about this next in a little bit more detail.

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Speaker 2: Five twenty two on your.

951
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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car

952
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: on your drive home, it's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with

953
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Speaker 1: one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news

954
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Speaker 1: talks they'd be.

955
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Speaker 2: It's twenty five past five. Now, I tell you what

956
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: I think is the most interesting thing in that Ara

957
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: and zed Reed research poll which came out today. It's

958
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Speaker 2: actually the number of ACT and New Zealand First and

959
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: National party voters who are blaming ACT and New Zealand

960
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: First and National for the state of the economy. Now

961
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 2: we've already discussed across all voters, right left, right, middle whatever,

962
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: across all of them, most of them blame the coalition

963
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: government at thirty eight percent, then thirty one percent blame

964
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 2: Justinder's government, and then twenty four percent says they're both

965
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 2: to blame. Now, that's worrying enough for the current government,

966
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: but they can probably put that down to the end

967
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: of a long winter and the end of a long recession.

968
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Speaker 2: And left is blaming a right leaning government because that

969
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: is what tribal voters do and that would be fair enough.

970
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: But what they're going to struggle with a lot more

971
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: is that their own voters are blaming them too. So

972
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: when you add the proportion of their voters who blame

973
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: this government or who blame blame both governments equally, it

974
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Speaker 2: is a lot of their voters who are pretty grumpy

975
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: with them. It's one third of Act voters who blame

976
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 2: the coalition government. It's more than half of New Zealand

977
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: First voters who blame the coalition government. And it's more

978
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: than a quarter of National voters who blame the coalition government. Now,

979
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Speaker 2: now what that tells you is that these voters expected better, obviously,

980
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: but also I suspect expected more. I think a lot

981
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: of us suspect that what this country is going through

982
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: right now is not just the end of a hard

983
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: recession which we will bounce back up from like we

984
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: always do, but that what we're going through right now

985
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: is just another big lurch down, a long decline of

986
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: New Zealand growing poorer and poorer and poorer, which you

987
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: cannot simply just bounce your way back out of. This

988
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: government has talked a lot about the fact that we

989
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: need to learn from Singapore and Ireland and how they

990
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: grew wealthy. Well, what did both of those countries do

991
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: in order to grow wealthy? They drop the corporate tax rate.

992
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: Doing something like dropping the corporate tax rate takes a

993
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: lot of courage, right, That's bold. That is the kind

994
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: of courage we haven't seen from this government. Now. I

995
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: love the idea of getting more concerts at Eden Park,

996
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: but let's stop pretending that doing that kind of thing

997
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: is going to fix the economy, because it's not going to.

998
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: That's just tinkering. And as long as ACT and New

999
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: Zealand First and National tinker like they are instead of

1000
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: Roger douglassing this economy likes necessary, they will cop the

1001
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: blame as badly as they are in this poll.

1002
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: Heather do for Sea Allen.

1003
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: Although I never really agreed with John Tammerhead his political views,

1004
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 2: at least they were coherent and rational, but nowadays, I

1005
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: wonder if the cheese is slid off the cracker. I've

1006
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: no idea what that means, but I really like it. Anyway,

1007
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: to Dudu, a Flavel is going to be with us next.

1008
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: He was the co leader of the Marty Paddy back

1009
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: in the day when the cheese was still on the cracker.

1010
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: So we'll find out from him what he thinks is

1011
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: going on here. News talks that'd.

1012
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: Be cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's

1013
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: Heather Deficy Ellen Drive with One Zealand coverage like no

1014
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: one else.

1015
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: News Talks. They'd be.

1016
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: Right consuming. New Zealand's going to be with us after

1017
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: six o'clock talk us through whether a bine New Zealand

1018
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: made campaign would save the Watties peaches being grown in

1019
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: Hawks Bay hither. What some people don't realize is our

1020
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: government inherited about one hundred and seventy five billion dollars

1021
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: worth of debt. No government is going to solve that

1022
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 2: problem in two years, probably not in two terms. Well

1023
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: they could start doing something Ricky anyway, twenty five away

1024
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: from seven huddles standing by now, the Takuzafera situation is

1025
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: getting more confusing so you'll remember he posted an eight

1026
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: minute video at midnight full of anti immigrant comments and

1027
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: then his co leader Debingari were apologized for it, but

1028
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: then he doubled down and refused to delete it. And

1029
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: now the Marii Party president John Tomaheada is backing him up,

1030
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: saying he agrees with what Peris was meaning. So Udunor

1031
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: Flavel is a former co leader of the Maori Party.

1032
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: Hi Todor can I hear that? What do you think

1033
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: of what Tarku dea Pera said?

1034
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't quite see the sense of it, and

1035
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 9: the sense that already throughout even the Mary Party in

1036
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 9: my time, many people gave of their time and the

1037
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 9: energy to deliver pempht on behalf of the Marti Party.

1038
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 9: Why because they believed them what we're trying to do.

1039
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 9: They believed in the part that the Mary Party played

1040
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 9: in trying to bring some unity to Altero and the

1041
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 9: involvement in politics. So there's a president dating be since

1042
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 9: the startings of the Mighty Party, So for the comment

1043
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 9: doesn't really sit in that regard. I'm pretty sure that

1044
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 9: even now currenty MP's of the Mighty Party would gratefully

1045
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 9: receive any support given to them from any ethnicity. Why,

1046
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 9: because politics at stake, there's a lot at stake, and

1047
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 9: people actually believe in some of the policies that the

1048
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 9: various parties hold from time to time.

1049
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what John Palmerhare has said, it is wrong

1050
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: for other folks to politic and Maori seats because I

1051
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: don't go over to their country like the British raj

1052
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: and destroy India. I don't rage the opium war as

1053
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: the British did with the Chinese. Do you agree with that?

1054
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 9: I think it's a totally different context here. We have

1055
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 9: an out there rite, an opportunity for and under our

1056
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 9: political system in the city to provide a party vote

1057
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 9: to the Mighty Party of the Green Party, to the

1058
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 9: Bring Back Buck Party doesn't really matter. And I'm pretty

1059
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 9: sure that over the years that non Maori from across

1060
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 9: the world would have provided some their vote having become

1061
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 9: New Zealand citizens to the Maori Party. And the belief

1062
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 9: that of the principles or a coproper the Maori Party

1063
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 9: because that was always the guiding principles that we thought

1064
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 9: people would would come to. So I think that while

1065
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 9: people talk about this stuff, reality is totally different now,

1066
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 9: what do you think.

1067
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: Is going on here? Because I can't figure out if

1068
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: there's actually really internal disagreement within the Maori Party here

1069
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: about this.

1070
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can't tell you, to be truthful, I'm not

1071
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 9: not too sure what's going on. It sort of seems

1072
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 9: in total contradiction to what at least in my day,

1073
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 9: our day, the days of Tadana Tuty and Peter Sharples

1074
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 9: that while we were absolutely pro Maori, we weren't anti

1075
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 9: Parker how or anybody else. In fact, we tried to

1076
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 9: be an inclusive party, saying that what's right for Maori

1077
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 9: is right for the whole nation. And I would have

1078
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 9: hoped that none of that had changed, and that people

1079
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 9: did gravitate to that sort of view from you know,

1080
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 9: across the various ethnic group throughout all of old because

1081
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 9: they saw that there was something about it. And in fact,

1082
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 9: some of our candidates in the general seats were not Maori.

1083
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 9: They were Pacifica, they were Chinese, they were Korean. I

1084
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Speaker 9: remember back in the day. All of that was a

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Speaker 9: part of trying to bring inclusivity into the whole discussion,

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Speaker 9: and that Maori Party was advocating in a sense, as

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Speaker 9: we've set out in a number of over the years,

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Speaker 9: is to be a treaty based party that accepts that

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Speaker 9: everybody has a role to play, but also accept the

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Speaker 9: importance of Maori in the leadership positions of the party

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Speaker 9: simply because that is that they are the ones that

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Speaker 9: understand and know the cope of the party mad but

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Speaker 9: never at the detriment of leaving other people out. That's

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Speaker 9: the difference sortally.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think this is I think the anti

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Speaker 2: other people thing makes a lot of people feel sad.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about it?

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Speaker 9: I had to say that I feel a little bit

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Speaker 9: sad about that as well. A lot of people, as

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Speaker 9: I've said, have given a lot to the party over

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Speaker 9: the years, and I think that they will be saddened

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Speaker 9: by such comments, believing that gee, what is they're real

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Speaker 9: with within the party. So it's disappointing from the personal view.

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Speaker 9: I don't think that that's the general consensus of the

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Speaker 9: party across the board. And I can't figure out why

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Speaker 9: some of our members have gone are gone this way

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Speaker 9: because it's contrary to where our co proper stands and

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Speaker 9: has always stood from the very beginnings.

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Speaker 2: So er, thanks for your time, appreciate it's le Flavel,

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Speaker 2: former Maori Party co leader twenty away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your

1112
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Speaker 1: one of a kind on the Huddle.

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Speaker 2: Of Us this evening we have David Farakiwi blog and

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Speaker 2: Curie Opolster and Ali Jones have read pr hello.

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Speaker 3: You too, Hello, hi head David.

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Speaker 2: What is going on here? Are they playing chippy or

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00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: is there true disagreement within the party.

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Speaker 17: Oh, there's no doubt he's true disagreement. And look I've

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Speaker 17: been thinking grab about that, and I nectually get quite

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Speaker 17: angry because what people forget when these people say, if

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Speaker 17: you're not Marie, you can't get involved in the selection.

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Speaker 17: The MP for Tommcky macru isn't just a social worker

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Speaker 17: for their consistions, they vote in Parliament on the lords

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Speaker 17: of New Zealand. We're not immune from that. So really,

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Speaker 17: what coma here in Pharis are saying is that if

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Speaker 17: you're the wrong race, you don't get to have a

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Speaker 17: say and who goes into parliament, who decides the laws.

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Speaker 17: And that's just absolutely outrageous. I said, if it was

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Speaker 17: just a local advocate role, you could well make that case,

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Speaker 17: but you cannot tell New Zealand citizens that they have

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Speaker 17: no right to have a view or to get involved

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Speaker 17: with a party's campaign for a season in New Zealand Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point, Alie. What do you think?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I think that's right. I think gosh, it was

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Speaker 22: great listening to mister Flavel. Then actually hears some particulate conciliatory. Well,

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Speaker 22: you know, wonder because we're seeing it in the Greens,

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Speaker 22: We're seeing it in some of the labor as well.

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Speaker 22: It's becoming more activist. And you know, he talked about

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Speaker 22: the old fucker puppa and I do wonder about that.

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Speaker 22: But the thing here is that Mary sets are there

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Speaker 22: to ensure a Marrii voice in parliament, right, that's one argument.

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Speaker 22: So then it comes down to can a non Mary

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Speaker 22: candidate be a voice for Mary in parliament? And we

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Speaker 22: heard in your interview that they can. And I think

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Speaker 22: if you start David's right, if you start saying you

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00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 22: cannot run for parliament because you are not of this

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Speaker 22: ethnicity or this race, that is undemocratic. And I think

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Speaker 22: that's the line that some of the people in the

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Speaker 22: Marti Party in are walking.

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Speaker 2: David, just explain to me why you're so convinced that

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Speaker 2: there is disagreement within the party.

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Speaker 17: There's a couple of reasons. The first is they've just

1153
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 17: sat there. What Yeah, you don't do that. That just

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00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 17: doesn't happen without some significant ructions within the party. The

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00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 17: seconds you've actually had the MP have the leaders apologize

1156
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 17: for them, double down with an eight minute the fart video,

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00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 17: and also interestingly say basically, well, they're not in charge

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Speaker 17: of me. We're all equal in this party. Now. Now

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Speaker 17: let me tell you.

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Speaker 6: If you're a National wear be with your keepers, drive

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Speaker 6: and stuff, and you said you're not the boss of me, John,

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Speaker 6: we're all equal, Well you probably wouldn't be a National

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Speaker 6: web p for very long. So what we've seen as

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Speaker 6: a symptom. But there's obviously deperruptions are there. And this

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Speaker 6: is not perhaps surprising because how he said, they're more

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Speaker 6: a party of active us a very good generating anger,

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Speaker 6: but not a party what discipline. What Hey, we're here

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00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 6: to improve laws to see what policy gains we can get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point. Next, I don't even know how parliament

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Speaker 2: actually works. All right, we'll take a break with you

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Speaker 2: to come back very shortly talk about where the National

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00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: and Act and New Zealand First should be worried about

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Speaker 2: that poll seventeen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the global

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Speaker 1: leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 2: You're back of the huddle, Allie Jones and David Farrett. Now, Ali,

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Speaker 2: what do you think should National Act New Zealand First

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Speaker 2: be worried that they're coppying the lion's share of the

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00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: blame for the economy, plus so much of it from

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Speaker 2: their own voters.

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Speaker 22: Absolutely, they should, you know, I think this is more

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Speaker 22: David's area. One thing I was interested in those figures though,

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Speaker 22: is was there a breakdown geographically? And I've said on

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Speaker 22: your show before, Heather, how things are doing so well.

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Speaker 22: You know, things are really going well in christ Church

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Speaker 22: at the moment. So I don't know whether that would,

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Speaker 22: you know, people would feel that down here. My girlfriend

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00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 22: and Wellington and has sent me a picture of a

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Speaker 22: billboard that's on the way to Wellington Airport's got a

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Speaker 22: picture of our mayor film major on it that says

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Speaker 22: the beehive maybe in Wellington, but the buzzes in christ Church,

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Speaker 22: which I think is just brilliant. But yeah, I wonder

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Speaker 22: if there's a geographical breakdown. I do think the PM

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00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 22: has got to stop saying things like a growing economy

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Speaker 22: is actually how key wes get ahead. I really applauded

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Speaker 22: that when I first heard it and over the last

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Speaker 22: couple of years. But I am out of patients now,

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Speaker 22: and I think a lot of people are running out

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Speaker 22: of money. And as I heard you say earlier, we've

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Speaker 22: got to start seeing some action and some change otherwise

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Speaker 22: people are just going to give up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you say, David?

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Speaker 17: Look, I read it is very alarming for the government

1204
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Speaker 17: because inflation in the economy are the two biggest issues

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Speaker 17: they are elected on and will probably be the biggest

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Speaker 17: issues gained into next election. And well, you and I

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Speaker 17: could have a discussion about whether it's fear, et cetera,

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00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 17: et cetera. The end of the day, two years in

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00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 17: people are still hurting. We've still got not inflation's not

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00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 17: five percent, but food inflation just five percent I think

1211
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Speaker 17: in the stats out today, et cetera. So it is

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Speaker 17: going to be a real challenge for them.

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Speaker 23: Now.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, there's some good signs in the economy and the

1215
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Speaker 17: rural sector are it's a matter of whether that's going

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Speaker 17: to come through quickly enough.

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Speaker 2: Do you think, Ellie, like I do, that they should

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00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: have From my perspective, the problem is they came in

1219
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: and they just look like the Labor Party and drag.

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Speaker 2: They didn't change very much up they spent more than

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00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: the Labor Party. I think they ought to have done

1222
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: something quite structurally significant, like there should have been really

1223
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: big changes to turn this economy around. What do you think?

1224
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 24: Yet?

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Speaker 22: I agree with you, and I think there's only so

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Speaker 22: long that you can say, oh, look, we had to

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Speaker 22: open the books, we had to review everything. There was

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Speaker 22: a lot to mop up that we had. That only

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Speaker 22: works for you so long. And I think you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 22: I don't know how far you could go. But at

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00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 22: the moment, I'm looking at what we had with labor

1232
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 22: and going, my god, I don't want them back. And

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00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 22: I'm looking at this three headed monster and thinking, well,

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Speaker 22: I'm not very impressed with them either.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a fair point, David. I can understand

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Speaker 2: from a political point of view why they decided to

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00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: go with incrementalism as opposed to Roger Douglass in the place,

1239
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: But did they actually make a mistake by choosing that.

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Speaker 17: I think they did make a mistake and at least

1241
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 17: not being more aggressive. Why spending reductions, especially with the

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00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 17: public seat a lot you might have seen at Auckland

1243
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 17: well into the local newspaper rans five stories a day

1244
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 17: about public service cuts. Either a poll the average person

1245
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 17: thinks a third of the public sector got facked fifteen

1246
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 17: thousand people. Actually we've got more people than in June

1247
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 17: sixty three, you know, slightly less than what what came

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01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 17: in and until like, well, if you're going to take

1249
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 17: months and months of these headlines about how terrible you

1250
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 17: are and itch you only cut us a few hundred,

1251
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Speaker 17: must as well have cut the fifteen doun to you know,

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01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 17: that's what the media convinced people.

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Speaker 1: You were doing it for a day.

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Speaker 22: How much how much of this is to do with

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Speaker 22: the fact that it's coalition.

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Speaker 20: This is what I'm really interested in.

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Speaker 22: Has National been limited in what they can do or

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01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 22: any of the others been limited in what they can

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Speaker 22: do because they have to get agreement between the three parties?

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Speaker 17: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely always.

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Speaker 17: I don't think it's made from blame though. A lot

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01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 17: this because there's something like if you go in first,

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01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 17: wasn't there you would raise the two frage for sixty seven,

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Speaker 17: which one affect their connia that currently is, but would

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01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 17: be a very good policy for sustainability long term. But

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Speaker 17: there's not going to be a single party government possibly

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01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 17: ever again in New Zealand, to be honest, It's all

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 17: going to be two and three party coalitions. And this

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Speaker 17: is NMP and it's deliberately designed to stop the Bold government. Yeah,

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Speaker 17: because people didn't like Rodgernomics.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Ali, do you care if your peaches are grown

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Speaker 2: in Hawk's Bay all China?

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Speaker 22: I do, I really do, And I care about.

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Speaker 2: Dollars for the hawks Bay peaches instead of the one

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Speaker 2: dollar for the China peachers.

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Speaker 22: No, I would make my own, but I do care

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01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 22: where they come from. So my point is, if I've

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Speaker 22: got a choice between hawks Bay and Chinese peaches, if

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01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 22: the Chinese ones are cheaper, I will bottle my own.

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Speaker 22: If the Hawk's Bay ones are pretty close to the

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Speaker 22: Chinese ones, I'll buy the hawks Bay ones. But it's

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Speaker 22: not a matter of choosing one over the other because

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Speaker 22: I'll always do my own. It's cheaper and it's satisfying.

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Speaker 2: I don't even have a skill. Do you have the

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Speaker 2: skilled David? Could you just be like I'm just going

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Speaker 2: to do my own peaches.

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Speaker 17: No, I could not do my own teachers. But but

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Speaker 17: look I do look at country a weeber astricial respirt.

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Speaker 17: New Zealand strawberries tend to be much fresher than the

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Speaker 17: important ones. Of course, you only get something year. New

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Speaker 17: Zealand garlic has probably six times Chinese garlic, but so

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Speaker 17: much nicer when it comes to peachers, though, I can't

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Speaker 17: say that's one of the ones where I've got strong

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Speaker 17: view on. You know it is, so I won't look

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Speaker 17: at you know, say, only get New Zealand. But if

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 17: I know New Zealand has better quality, then yes, I'll

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Speaker 17: do it.

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Speaker 22: What about the air miles though you're you're an environmentalist,

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Speaker 22: don't you, David, You'd be thinking about how far they'd

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Speaker 22: come from.

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Speaker 2: It must stay you rolling your eyes, David, I'm rolling

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Speaker 2: my eyes. Are you rolling your eyes?

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Speaker 17: No?

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Speaker 9: Look at the.

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Speaker 17: Whole world exports and them pots like take strawberries, we

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01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 17: don't grow them nine months of the year, so of

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Speaker 17: course they get important. Yeah, and the reality is they

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01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 17: would rather keep selling news own peaches, but people just

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Speaker 17: aren't buying them. Yeah, And you can't stop three million

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Speaker 17: people from buying the wrong thing.

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Speaker 2: No, and I mean buying in season is always a

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Speaker 2: smart thing to do. Guys, listen, I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: My mind is blown by the pair review Ali for

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Speaker 2: doing her own peaches and David for knowing the garlic story.

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Speaker 2: David Farrer Ali Jones are huddled eight away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Hard Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 2: Heather, I've just been to New World and the canned

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Speaker 2: peaches PAMs is a dollar forty, SPC is two dollars

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: and what is is two dollars seventy. So I bought

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Speaker 2: SPC straight down the middle, went for the middle one.

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Speaker 2: I love that, Craig, just not the cheap one, not

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Speaker 2: the expensive one down the middle. Now you remember Lassette

1325
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: Raymer who was the TV three Europe correspondent and did

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Speaker 2: a fabulous job while she was over there. She's back

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand and she's gone public with the fact

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Speaker 2: that she's using a week OV you know, the weight

1329
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 2: loss thing, and talked a lot about what it's like

1330
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: and it's actually a really interesting account of what you

1331
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: go through when you're on it. So she reckons that

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Speaker 2: she took her first jab. She does her jabs seven

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Speaker 2: pm on a Thursday. She reckons, she was pretty nauseous

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01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: pretty quickly after the first jab, started vomiting. The hunger subsided,

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Speaker 2: she reckons immediately, like immediately, she stopped thinking about food,

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Speaker 2: barely thought about it. Withinin hours, She reckons, for the

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Speaker 2: first time ever, she didn't even really want to eat

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Speaker 2: Duck Island ice cream, which if you haven't, if you

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01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: haven't tried, is just it's widely regarded as of the

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Speaker 2: best ice cream. So normally she'd go in and she'd

1341
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Speaker 2: be like, oh, I need four flavors. This time she

1342
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: only went in and got one scoop and she didn't

1343
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: even finish the cone. Vomited every morning, by the sounds

1344
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: of things, didn't lose any weight, was lethargic, was grumpy,

1345
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: was always bloated, always felt full, rarely burpie, and then

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01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: all of a sudden she started losing weight. She lost

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01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 2: five cag's within a fortnight. She as I said, remember

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Speaker 2: she jabs herself Thursday, seven pm once a week, you

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Speaker 2: should do it, And then all week it'd sort of

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Speaker 2: been like that, And then come around to Wednesday, day

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Speaker 2: before the JAB, she would start to feel the medication

1352
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: wearing off. Breakfast on Thursday, the day of the JAB,

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01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 2: she would start actually fantasizing about what she'd have for dinner, right,

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01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: so that was like really wearing off at that stage,

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Speaker 2: and then before dinner should give herself the JAB, barely

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Speaker 2: think about food for another six days. She has done

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Speaker 2: seven weeks now, lost eleven CAGs. Now I bumped into

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Speaker 2: somebody who I know about ten days ago. Talk to

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Speaker 2: me about she's also on the WIGOVI. She reckons. It

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01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: doesn't just it's like it kills off all of your

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01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: reward pathways in your brain. So it doesn't just stop

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01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: you making, doesn't just stop you wanting. The food stops

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Speaker 2: you drinking. She drinks a lot. She drinks a lot.

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01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,959
Speaker 2: She'ldn't drink anymore. Basically, she doesn't scroll on the phone,

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01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: she doesn't care about the social media, doesn't care about shopping.

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Speaker 2: All of that stuff has just gone just just made

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Speaker 2: her kind of give up on all of that. So

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. So we'll keep it. Now, we'll be watching Lissette.

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Speaker 2: See how the wait is going from here anyway. Consumer

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Speaker 2: Next on the Peaches.

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Speaker 1: Business meets Insight Love Business Hour with Heather Duplicleen and

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Speaker 1: Mares for Insurance.

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Speaker 3: Investments and Kiwye Safer. You're in good hands News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Said b even. In coming up in the next hour,

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Speaker 2: we're going to get you across the car to Holt

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Speaker 2: Harvey Mill closure. In Talkarawa Jamie mackay and end Brady's

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Speaker 2: out of the UK for US seven past six. Now,

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Speaker 2: what is is blaming consumers for the company's decision to

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Speaker 2: stop using Kiwi peaches at least cut back on it.

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Speaker 2: It says demand for New Zealand grown can fruit has dropped,

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Speaker 2: with shoppers more inclined to buy cheaper imports, and so

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Speaker 2: it's encouraged us to buy local. Jessica Walker's Consumer New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's acting head of Research and Advocacy and with us

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Speaker 2: how low Jessica, Hi, Heather, do you think encouraging us

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01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: to buy locally produced is going to work?

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Speaker 25: It's really interesting because we know right now price is

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Speaker 25: trumping absolutely everything else, and so we do lots of

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Speaker 25: research around consumous sentiments, not specifically around fruit and vegetable

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Speaker 25: but in general, and what we're seeing is the percentage

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Speaker 25: of people saying that locally owned when as being a

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Speaker 25: purchas in consideration, we're seeing that drop off massively. At

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Speaker 25: the same time, we're seeing concerns about price cost of

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01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 25: food and groceries ratchet up to the point that you

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Speaker 25: know in our latest supermarket survey, and more and more

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Speaker 25: people are cutting back on fruit and veg and meat

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Speaker 25: all together. So I'm not surprised to see that if

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Speaker 25: it's a case of having cheaper tend or no tin fruit,

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Speaker 25: than they're going for the cheaper option.

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Speaker 2: At what point do you think, but how much more

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Speaker 2: would we pay for local before we stop paying more

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Speaker 2: for local? Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, So that's really interesting. And as I say, so,

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Speaker 25: we've been looking at goods in general, so not specifically

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Speaker 25: tinned fruit, but we've said only five percent of people

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01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 25: have told us that they're willing to pay a lot more,

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Speaker 25: and about fourteen percent of people have said that this

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01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 25: is a consideration. So I think there are definitely people

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Speaker 25: in the market who are willing to pay more for

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Speaker 25: a local or what would be a premium product, but

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Speaker 25: for most people it's just about stocking the pantry, and

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Speaker 25: so sadly, right now, price trumps everything.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean part of the reason I don't think

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Speaker 2: this is going to work from what is and they're

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: only giving it a very half hearted a team. But

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Speaker 2: part of the reason I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 2: work is because buy New Zealand made has never actually worked,

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Speaker 2: does it.

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Speaker 25: So I was just talking to your producer, and I

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Speaker 25: always have ten peaches in my pantry, and I'll be honest,

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Speaker 25: I've never looked at where they come from, so it's

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Speaker 25: not a purchasing consideration of mine. But even today we've

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Speaker 25: had emails from somebody saying that outraged by this decision

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Speaker 25: because for them, the most important thing is New Zealand made.

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01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 25: And so there's definitely going to be a subset of

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Speaker 25: consumers that wants these hawks bay beautiful peaches that were

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Speaker 25: growing down the road that you can see in the orchards,

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Speaker 25: and so yeah, I can understand why some people are

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Speaker 25: outraged by their decision. So New Zealand Made for a

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01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 25: subset of consumers is a really important factor. But as

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Speaker 25: I say, right now, for the vast majority, that's not

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Speaker 25: even a consideration.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any viewer as to whether we are

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Speaker 2: seeing China dumping peaches.

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Speaker 20: Again?

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Speaker 25: Really interesting? So this is a concept that I wasn't

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Speaker 25: aware of until this afternoon, and we were looking at

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Speaker 25: the peach situation and it seems like what is a

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01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 25: well within the rights you know, to be asking MB

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Speaker 25: to looking to this because it sounds like there's been

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Speaker 25: an influx of much cheaper product, which of course is

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Speaker 25: going to have an impact on the domestic market. And

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Speaker 25: so it sounds like in the past different countries dumping

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Speaker 25: things here has led to levees being put on, and

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Speaker 25: so it'd be interesting to see if this request does

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Speaker 25: lead to a levee of more Chinese peaches and what

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01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 25: that would do for the domestic market.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks very much, Jessica appreciate. That's just a walker

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Speaker 2: consuming New Zealand's acting head of Research and Advocacy. So

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Speaker 2: what there is a suspicion it may be possible the

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Speaker 2: reason that we have such cheap peaches, and there is

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say a suspicion. No more than that

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01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: is because China maybe dumping peaches in New Zealand. So

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Speaker 2: what is win to MB I think maybe about twenty

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01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: twenty three as them to take a look at it.

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Speaker 2: They looked at it. They said, now there's no evidence

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Speaker 2: that China has done because we just can't find it,

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01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 2: so they close that investigation moved on. It looks like

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01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: what he's has gone back to MB again this year,

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Speaker 2: just a few months ago and ask them to look

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Speaker 2: at it again. Possible that that is what's happening, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't. At this stage MB hasn't found anything. If

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Speaker 2: MB finds something, then we start adding some anti dumping

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Speaker 2: levies on which we were actually doing on Chinese peaches

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Speaker 2: until twenty seventeen. So it's a possibility as well six eleven.

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Speaker 3: Would together do for Sea Allen.

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Speaker 2: By the way, on that, one of the reasons why

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01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: it may not be significant is that actually PAMs, which

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Speaker 2: is the cheapest, get their peaches from South Africa. I'm

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Speaker 2: getting a lot of texts suggesting that to me. By

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Speaker 2: the way, let me tell you something. If they are

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Speaker 2: getting their peatrees from South Africa, PAMs, then buy it

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: because those will be delicious peaches. Because South Africa grows

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 2: their peaches in a place called Series which just beautiful,

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01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: beautiful fruits like the fruit bowl over there, but also

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: a little place called the Klang Kreu, and that is

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Speaker 2: where you will find that perhaps my mother is from.

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01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 2: They produce amazing peaches as well, because semi desert area,

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01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: so lots and lots and lots of sunlight, not a

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01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: lot of water. You know how that works, just makes

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 2: it makes beautiful fruits. So again, you're not going to

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01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,759
Speaker 2: be having stink fruit if you're eating the Pam's peaches

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: from South Africa. Now, speaking of South Africa, and while

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Speaker 2: we're on the subject, because we've had a lot of

1485
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: weird South Africa news on the show in the last

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Speaker 2: couple of days, I got another weird one for you.

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Speaker 2: Three people have gone on trial in South Africa's just

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01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: started now for stealing banknotes that we're hidden in the

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Speaker 2: couch of Cyril Ramaposa, the president, and it sounds like

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01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: it's about ten million rands worth of banknotes. So it's

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Speaker 2: not like you and I, oh gotta, I mean, I

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01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 2: don't do this, or there's four hundred dollars for if

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01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 2: the f post goes down again, I'll just shove it

1494
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: down the side of the coach couch. I wouldn't do that, obviously,

1495
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: nor would you, because we're not weird and dodgy. However

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 2: he is, and he didn't just stick four hundred dollars

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: down there, did he sticks ten million rand down there, which,

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01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 2: let me tell you, is a lot of banknotes, isn't it,

1499
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 2: Because even when your inflation has done weird things to

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Speaker 2: your currency, that's still a lot of notes to make

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: up ten million. Anyway, he hit them in the couch

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01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 2: at the game farm that he owns, and he said

1503
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: at the time it was from the legitimate sale of

1504
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: a bunch of his animals, which works. That argument works

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01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: until you go, yeah, but why did you stick it

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Speaker 2: down the side of your couch. That's where it kind

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01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: of falls apart. It was he was accused of tax

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Speaker 2: evasion when this first came out. He was accused of

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01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 2: money laundering. He was accused of breaching foreign currency rules.

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Speaker 2: It was it blew up. It almost cost him as job.

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: And why it got even more dodgy than him sticking

1512
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 2: it down the side of the couch was that the

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01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 2: theft happened in twenty twenty, but it was only revealed

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01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. You can put all those dots

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Speaker 2: together and figure it out, can't you.

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Speaker 1: Six fourteen It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show

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01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:47,919
Speaker 1: podcast on my Heart Radio empowered by Newstalg Zeppi whether.

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01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 3: It's the macro micro or just playing economics.

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01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

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01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: and Mass for Insurance Convestments and Kwye Saber.

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01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 3: You're in good hands either.

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01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 2: I remember when peanut butter was an issue and the

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01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 2: peanuts came from China and then there was outrage and

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01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: then Sanitarium returned it to Australian peanuts. Peter, you're right,

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01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: and then what happened after they did that They stopped

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01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: making the peanut butter all together. So now you can't

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01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: get Sanitarium peanut butter because that didn't work, did it

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01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 2: from an economic perspective. By the way, listen, I've got

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01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: to talk to you about the latest idea that New

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01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 2: Zealand First has had on the judges seventeen past six.

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Speaker 3: The Rural Report on hither due to see Allen Drive.

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Speaker 2: Jammie McKay, Host of the Countries with us Elo Jamie Helloa.

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Speaker 23: Then in a bit of breaking news for you, I

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01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 23: don't know whether you've covered this. If you have, feel

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 23: free to stop me. But you know how Eric is

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01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 23: standfor From the Ministry of Education, we're talking about getting

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01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 23: egg off the school curriculum.

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Speaker 5: Have you covered that?

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01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 23: Have they done a press release this afternoon?

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01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, have that?

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01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 18: No?

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01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 5: No, I do know.

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 23: I'm asking you because I've been out of circulation. So

1544
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 23: this is sort of breaking news. I think it's good

1545
01:13:54,720 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 23: for the primary sector, and Agriculture and Horticultural science main

1546
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 23: standalone ministry led subjects for years twelve and thirteen. So

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01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 23: what happened as Erica decided with the ministry to change

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01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 23: it some heavy hitters and agriculture that like some old

1549
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 23: mate Shane mcmanuway, a bloke who built a hospital in

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01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 23: a spare time, community minded sort of fellow. They've been

1551
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 23: chewing on the air of people in high places and

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01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 23: they've got a well, I don't know whether you'd call

1553
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 23: it a backflip or a back down, but certainly they're

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01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 23: going to retain agricultural and Horticultural science WI for years

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01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 23: twelve and thirteen. That's good news story. And I heard

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01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 23: you talking about the price of food, Well, jeez, the

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01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 23: markets might fix all. I'm standing like an act sounding

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01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 23: like an ACT party member there ever, but we've got

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Speaker 23: a global dairy trade auction tonight and things are looking

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 23: a wee bit more on the downside, especially for the

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01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,799
Speaker 23: likes of butter. So we're going to await tonight's crucial

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01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 23: GDT auction with a lot of interest. Futures are forecasting

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01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 23: a fall across the board. Homework powdered down or more

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01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,919
Speaker 23: than two percent butter we don't know, but the Chinese

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01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,799
Speaker 23: are buying most of it, and the US spot butter

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01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 23: price has taken a bit of a tumble. Interestingly, our

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01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 23: forecast prices for the twenty six season, that's the one

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01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 23: we've just entered into now I've dropped down to nine

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01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 23: dollars eighty one for the twenty six to twenty seven season.

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Speaker 23: This is futures of course, nine dollars thirty six. So

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01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 23: that's the trouble with commodities. They're always cyclical and what

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01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 23: goes up will eventually come down. As I say, buttergate

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01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 23: could be self fulfilling.

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Speaker 9: Yeah too.

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Speaker 2: Right now, what's environment Southland been doing?

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Speaker 23: Well, there's been it's been a bit of a story

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01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 23: for the past couple of days on my show. Well,

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Speaker 23: according to the president of Federated Farmers down the adjacent Herrick,

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01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 23: they've been taking a heavy handed approach to compliance, creating

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01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 23: unprecedented stress and financial pressure for farmers. And this is

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Speaker 23: all to do with the winter grazing practices so environments

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Speaker 23: Southland and to their credit they've done it good job

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01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 23: and tidying up what was a bit of an issue

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01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 23: down south, especially ten or fifteen years ago. They're doing

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01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 23: these flyovers and they're spotting anyone from the air who's

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01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 23: not using good winter grazing practices. But then they go

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01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 23: back and they have a look at these farms and

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01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 23: even if a farm has done nothing, a federated farmers

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01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 23: are claiming they're getting bills of up to four thousand

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Speaker 23: dollars for the pleasure of having the Environment South and

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 23: inspector run around their farm. And this is sort of

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01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 23: a common theme around the country now. Yesterday and it

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01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 23: got a lot of traction on social media. Former Mid

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01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 23: Canterbury President David Clark was talking about the issues he

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Speaker 23: had to try and get a consent just to farm

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01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 23: his sheep, beef and arable property in Mid Canterbury, jumping

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01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 23: through all sorts of hoops to get permission to farm.

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Speaker 23: He's not changing his farming practice or hardly at all.

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Speaker 23: He's already spent up to fifty thousand dollars heather On consultant.

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Speaker 23: The irony of a situation is he has been advised

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01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 23: that the easiest way to get a consent would be

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01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 23: to withdraw his current one for his current farming practice

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Speaker 23: mainly sheep and arable, and then apply for a dairy

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01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 23: conversion and that will be an easier way to get

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Speaker 23: a consent. Well, how does that work? Heaven help me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ridiculous. Jamie, thank you so much for talking

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01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: us through it. Jamie Mackay, host of the Country. Right,

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01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 2: So in New Zealand Verst now you know New Zealand

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01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 2: first and in particular, Shane Jones has the beef right

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01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 2: that with the judges. He's been having beef with judges

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01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 2: for a long time because he's accused the judges of

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01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: being activist and work and you know, when it comes

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01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 2: to the activism, I feel like he's largely actually right there.

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Speaker 2: The latest idea that he has in this long, long

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01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 2: running battle now is that he wants to get foreign

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01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 2: judges to sit on certain cases. He hasn't said which

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 2: cases he's talking about, but the suggestion is just kind

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01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 2: of judging by what he's saying that he might be

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01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 2: thinking about Treaty related cases where you know, because maybe

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Speaker 2: if you're a foreign judge you don't have an opinion

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01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 2: on the Treaty as opposed to basic everybody in this country.

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01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 2: He suggested we would get our judges from Singapore and

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Speaker 2: Australia and in particular New South Wales. Now, from what

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01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 2: I understand, the Attorney General Judith Collins has shot this

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01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 2: idea down today, but she can't. She can shoot it

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01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 2: down for this term, but she might not be able

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 2: to shoot it down for next term. Sounds like he

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01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 2: is going to run on it as election policy. Andrew

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Speaker 2: Gettis has weighed in on this and pointed out that

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01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,440
Speaker 2: it is ironic and he's right here. It is ironic

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Speaker 2: that New Zealand first wants to replace New Zealand judges

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01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 2: with foreign judges. But keep an eye on it might

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01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: be a thing that they come out with the head

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01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 2: of the election six twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1636
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 1: with Heather Dup c Ellen and Mass for insurance investments

1637
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: and Huy Safer and you're in good hands news.

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01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 2: Talks that'd be listen, we have another mill closing. You

1639
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 2: will have heard it in the news today. This time

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01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: it's the car to hold Harvey Mill. They're looking to

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01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 2: close their took It or applywood manufacturing plant. They haven't

1642
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: confirmed it, but you know how these things go. They

1643
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: float it, then they do it.

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01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 2: You basically read betwe in the lines about one hundred

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01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 2: and twenty full time jobs. It's cheaper to get imported plywood.

1647
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 2: So we'll have a chat to the mayor of South

1648
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 2: Waikattle after the news. Right now, it's six twenty five.

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01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 2: Got some show.

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01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 3: Buz news for you.

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01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 2: Is to Stay and it's about justin Yes it is.

1652
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: So he's been a little bit all over the show recently, right,

1653
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 2: and the fans have worried about his health and his marriage.

1654
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 2: He seemed to go off the rails a little bit

1655
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 2: in the past year. He is doubling down now on

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01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 2: his role as a family man. So he's been posting

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01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: lots of pictures with his son Jack and he's now

1658
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 2: posted the Baber family values that he and his wife

1659
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 2: Hayley live by now just to paint a picture, right.

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01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: What they've done is they've they've printed them out on

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01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 2: what looks like I want to say a four, but

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01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 2: it could be a three. Like it could be one

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01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 2: size up and it's got the Baber family in the corner,

1664
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 2: and then it's got one to ten of these family

1665
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: values and they put them up in a frame, put

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01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 2: them up in the living room, and this is them

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01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 2: Number one rest as Worship. So look, get yourself in this,

1668
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: get yourself in the settled into this, because we're going

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01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 2: full evangelical Christian, which is kind of what the guiding

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01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: principles here are one rest as Worship. Two longevity and

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01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 2: a sustainable pace of life. Three Quality and excellence of production.

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01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 2: Four innovation and moving the human experience forward. Five Health

1673
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 2: and physical wellness as an act of stewardship. So I know,

1674
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry. I can't remember all of them myself.

1675
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: Now I don't really know what all of this means.

1676
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 2: Six Sustainability in creating products that serve humanity. Seven. Seven

1677
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 2: servanthood and making people feel like that can fly. H

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01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 2: Generosity and graciously giving time, money, and respect to people

1679
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 2: on our path. Nine Life is a gift in practice

1680
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: daily gratitude for the day that has been given to us.

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01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: And ten value human beings and believe in their dignity

1682
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: and eternal worth. Now you have to see it, to

1683
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 2: understand that English is not a strength for these people

1684
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: because there's random capitalization like you can see those aren't

1685
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 2: even proper sentences right, And that's not even this doesn't

1686
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: make sense english wise? Do you know what I mean?

1687
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 2: Just to prove that I'm part of the group english wise,

1688
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: but the random some words just start with the capital randomly.

1689
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 2: Some words are all in capitals randomly. But it has

1690
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: now made me wonder, is am I missing? Do I

1691
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 2: need to do this for my family? Am I missing

1692
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 2: a trick? Do you do this for your family? Nine

1693
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: nineteen News is next.

1694
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1695
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,520
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Dup, c Ellen and Mas

1696
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: for insurance investments and Huy Safer and you're in good

1697
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: heads news talks.

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01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 17: He'd be.

1699
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 3: Broken.

1700
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 2: Brady is going to be with us out of the

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01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 2: UK shortly. RAWI has only spoken through Omari all day anyway.

1702
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 2: Luckily for us my he can speak it too, so

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01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 2: I'll get you across that shortly. It's twenty five away

1704
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 2: from seven. Now the bad news just keeps coming for

1705
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 2: talka or Carthold Harvey today announced it's closing its Plywood

1706
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: manufacturing plant. Instead, what it's going to do is import cheap,

1707
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 2: ap plywood from Australia. Now that means about one hundred,

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred and twenty jobs are going to be lost.

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01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: That's already on top of seventy people who'd already been

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: made redundant at Christmas last year. Gary Petley is the

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01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 2: South White cattle man with us.

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01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 20: Now, Hey, Gary, hither hell are you?

1713
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 2: I'm very well? Thank you all man? You sound bummed out,

1714
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 2: are you?

1715
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: Oh?

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01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 20: I just can't get a trick at the moment, mate, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Feels like that. Eh, Now what's going on? Is it

1718
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 2: just that much cheaper to import the plywood?

1719
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Speaker 9: Is it?

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Speaker 17: Oh?

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01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 20: Yeah, Well apparently we can only go on with their

1722
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 20: well what they're saying and what the figures are, and

1723
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 20: I haven't had a lot of detail apart from the

1724
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 20: fact that they are losing jobs. So I guess when

1725
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 20: you add that on to the what happened in the

1726
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 20: paperm all and then potential closing of Toyo hall My

1727
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,839
Speaker 20: and Toko or it doesn't ring that well for the council.

1728
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 20: But we've we've got some positive things too and everything

1729
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 20: that you know, when it's a negative we try and

1730
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 20: find the positive. So we have an industrial development there

1731
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 20: that's been on on the go for about a year now,

1732
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:22,799
Speaker 20: developing that for new business. The vander Heyden families. They're

1733
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 20: looking at doing an industrial park on the southern boundary

1734
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 20: of the Postara township, which will all which will bring jobs.

1735
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 20: So it's not all not all doom and gloom.

1736
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 2: What happens at this industrial park.

1737
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 20: There's going to be new new businesses that are coming here.

1738
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 20: They haven't no announcements have been made yet because they're

1739
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,839
Speaker 20: leaving that for when they start building.

1740
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to take how long Gary before they

1741
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: actually get the thing up and running.

1742
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 20: Everything is, everything is, everything is ready to go. Should

1743
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 20: be finished by the infrastructure, which should be completed by

1744
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 20: the end of this year to the beginning of next year,

1745
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 20: and they will come and then start building what they

1746
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 20: need to build and put all their plants in place.

1747
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 20: The one in Patata, who is a turning of the

1748
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 20: side towards the end of end of September now, and

1749
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 20: the timing hasn't been great, but these these things have

1750
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 20: been in train for for a little while now, and

1751
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 20: discussing that we had over over probably two years, so

1752
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 20: we're chasing ourselves a little bit around in the circle

1753
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 20: to try and make things happen. But we'll continue to

1754
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 20: do that.

1755
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 2: How many jobs have you guys lost? Just run me

1756
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 2: through it because I can't quite remember. Was did og

1757
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: Fiber also close the paper mill?

1758
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 20: Yeah, they closed the paint meal down. There was the

1759
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 20: last paper machine, number six painte machine and that was

1760
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 20: down with about one hundred and one hundred and fifty

1761
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:55,440
Speaker 20: something jobs in the end, and then and then with

1762
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 20: with the plooid mill, probably another another hundred they will

1763
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 20: they will keep it. About twenty are small small work

1764
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 20: for some one to rework rework the pl that comes

1765
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 20: in from from Australia and then get it up to

1766
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 20: New Zealand speck and then then on sell it.

1767
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 2: And then you also have toy or Hoomi Toyo we've.

1768
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 20: Got we've got a work in party working towards with

1769
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 20: Toyo Ormai too to basically work out what what courses

1770
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 20: we actually need and took it all and then and

1771
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 20: Minister Upston has said that there's funding available to do that.

1772
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 20: They just want to hear from the community as to

1773
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 20: what's relevant.

1774
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 2: All right, well, listen, best of like Gary, because that

1775
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 2: is a tough time for a town like yours. Gary Petley, Southway, Cuttlemere, Heather,

1776
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: I can't believe you missed the Duchess of Sussex's Netflix

1777
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: episode on creating your family values. I will send it

1778
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: through Cheers Craig. Craig, thank you, and I also appreciate

1779
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 2: that Craig went to the effort, I think deliberately to

1780
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 2: just randomly capitalize some letters in that text, just like

1781
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 2: the Babers do twenty one away from seven hever do

1782
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: for thee So Maori party co leader Rawi white Tees.

1783
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 2: He was in Parliament today, which is unusual in and

1784
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: of itself, because it's not every day that they bother

1785
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 2: turning up for work in that party. And of course

1786
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 2: all everybody wanted to talk to him about was what's

1787
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 2: going on with Taku to feris, what's going on with

1788
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 2: Tarku to Ferris. Well, he refused to speak anything other

1789
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 2: than tell Marii mem and what he said is if

1790
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 2: you have questions of Marii, I will answer them, and

1791
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 2: if you have questions in English, I won't answer them,

1792
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 2: which is no problem for TV and Z Political edit

1793
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 2: to Mikey Sherman, who asked, because she can speak mari

1794
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 2: as well, why he wouldn't answer questions in English, and

1795
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 2: he said it's because it's Maori Language Week. Yes, that's right,

1796
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 2: it'll be because of that. It will be nothing to

1797
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: do with the fact that there's some weird stuff going

1798
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: on with Tarku to Ferris, and he also said to

1799
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: her the question is foolish because obviously it's the el

1800
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 2: Maori language Marii Language Week. Anyway, Mikey then asks them

1801
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 2: whether there's conflict within the party because it appears the

1802
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: leadership is at odds over Taku. The Ferris's comments.

1803
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: Kata more quetato u Marii hepera and what you doing

1804
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,679
Speaker 1: amarikhana hukia.

1805
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 3: Ka huki were in Avocaro.

1806
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: What he was saying is, you know, our Maori people

1807
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 2: have different views, whether on the Marii at Kordonnehana people

1808
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: express their different views, which is a complete cop out

1809
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 2: and probably tells you exactly what we think is going on,

1810
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 2: which is that there is some sort of weird disagreement

1811
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 2: within the party. Now I've got two things to tell you, okay.

1812
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 2: The first thing is yesterday on the program, Nikola Willis

1813
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: said to us, oh, look, because I was asking her

1814
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 2: about the Pavlova flight. You know the date between lux

1815
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,600
Speaker 2: and Elbow, where they flew up to the top of

1816
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 2: the Queen'stown mountain to eat some pavlova just between themselves

1817
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 2: and there was no media to capture the event. And

1818
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 2: I say, how on earth did you get How did

1819
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 2: it cost you forty four thousand dollars for two choppers,

1820
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,799
Speaker 2: because that's a lot of money because people were texting

1821
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 2: in going listen, those chopper flights should only have cost

1822
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 2: about twelve dollars. It's where the rest come from. So

1823
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: I said to Nichola, where the rest come from? And

1824
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 2: then Nicholas said to me, oh, look, just go to

1825
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's office and they'll be able to tell

1826
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 2: you what I did. And they're not telling me. They said, oh,

1827
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 2: they don't have a breakdown. No, I don't have a breakdown,

1828
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 2: is what they said. But I'll let you know when

1829
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: I have a breakdown. And then that didn't. I don't

1830
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: know about you, but when somebody says to me, I'll

1831
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 2: let you know when I do, no, I don't. I

1832
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 2: don't feel very confident about this. I don't feel very

1833
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 2: confident about this. But fortunately enough, I do know how

1834
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: to do a bit of asking a question properly. So

1835
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 2: I have filed an Official Information Act request. I have

1836
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 2: asked them under the Official Information Act some questions which

1837
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you what those questions are

1838
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 2: right now because I don't want to be I don't

1839
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 2: want to be casting aspersions, do you know what I mean?

1840
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 2: But there are some pointed questions and they have been

1841
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 2: referred to the Department of Internal Affairs, who will be

1842
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 2: asking those questions. I did say to the Department of

1843
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 2: Internal Affairs, I said, hey, you know you've got twenty

1844
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 2: working days, which meant you better get on with it.

1845
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, So anyway, I done all the things we'll

1846
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 2: find out. I don't feel like some shady stuff going

1847
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 2: on here, don't you. We has a Pavlova and two

1848
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 2: flights costing you forty four thousand dollars. Anyway, On another subject,

1849
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: which we have covered extensively on this show, there is

1850
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,959
Speaker 2: a piece that's popped up in stuff with the headline

1851
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 2: suppressed information is being shared everywhere, no one seems to care.

1852
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 2: And what this is about is the Tom Phillips case. Now,

1853
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 2: why I care about this is because I've written the

1854
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 2: column on Sunday about this And if you haven't read

1855
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 2: the column on Sunday in The Herald, go and read it. Yeah,

1856
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 2: I'm not one to refer you back to my own work,

1857
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 2: but I feel like it covers off a lot of

1858
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 2: this stuff.

1859
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 17: Right.

1860
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: But since since publishing the column on Sunday and today

1861
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 2: being Tuesday, it would appear that people have just gone

1862
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 2: forth and shared more of the suppressed information. Like I

1863
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 2: predict in the column, there is going to be no

1864
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 2: stopping it. You cannot stop it. So what stuff says

1865
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 2: is there are people posting suppressed information and comments on TikTok,

1866
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,520
Speaker 2: Facebook x formerly known as Twitter, read It and Instagram

1867
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 2: about the Tom Phillips case. Even Google is implicated. New

1868
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: Zealand based media, though are abiding by the court orders.

1869
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 2: So is there anything the government or police can do

1870
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 2: to reign in the tech companies? And then they go

1871
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 2: and they ask this is it stuff? They go and

1872
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 2: they ask Paul Goldsmith, who is the Justice Minister, what

1873
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 2: he's going to do about it? Because the courts have

1874
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 2: suppressed the information. All of us in the media are

1875
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 2: abiding by it and being good people. But it is

1876
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 2: spreading like wildfire on the internet, and he basically says

1877
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 2: he gives the most tepid response and basically says, yeah,

1878
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 2: it's a problem, but there is no effective solution, and

1879
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 2: he hasn't asked his officials even to look for one.

1880
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 2: I haven't made a specific request, he said, adding that

1881
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 2: he will go and seek information advice about a solution

1882
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 2: this afternoon, sort of like might now go and ask

1883
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 2: about it now. My read of that situation is that

1884
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 2: it's possible. Two things are possible here. The first thing

1885
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 2: is that Paul knows a problem that he cannot fix

1886
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 2: when he sees it, and I suspect this is one

1887
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 2: of them. But also the other thing that is possible

1888
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: is that there may be members of the government and

1889
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:03,879
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Paul is one of them, but maybe,

1890
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 2: but there may be members of the government who look

1891
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 2: at it and go that's information that should probably be

1892
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 2: out there, if you know what I mean. Sixteen away

1893
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 2: from seven.

1894
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 3: Encouraging the numbers and getting the results.

1895
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 1: It's hither to the c Ellen with the Business Hour

1896
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 1: and meys for insurance investments and QUI savor, you're in

1897
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: good hands, news talk, said be.

1898
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run you through some fascinating stets on the

1899
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 2: creative industry in this country. And just to take right

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01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 2: now though thirteen away from seven and into Brady, our

1901
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 2: UK correspondent is with us, Ello Inda Heather.

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Speaker 18: Great to speak to you again.

1903
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 2: So Trump's arriving at you tonight? Is he?

1904
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 18: He is? He will fly into London's Stansted Airport in

1905
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 18: about twelve hours time. And what we're seeing is an

1906
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 18: unprecedented second state visit for a United States president. It's

1907
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 18: never happened before, an unprecedented security operation. I think there

1908
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 18: won't be a spare police officer in the country. I

1909
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 18: think I'll leave within fifty miles of London will have

1910
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 18: been canceled and a very very height security operation. It

1911
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 18: will be so a lot of it will focus around

1912
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 18: Windsor Castle, and then he will be over at Checkers

1913
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 18: as well, where the Prime Minister has a Grace and

1914
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 18: Favor country mansion to entertain dignitaries from overseas. It's a huge,

1915
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 18: huge week in more ways than one for Keir Starmer

1916
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 18: and Donald Trump.

1917
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 2: Do you think it's gonna go? Okay?

1918
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Speaker 18: Look, there will be some protests, but I think as

1919
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 18: vocal as they will be they will be kept out

1920
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 18: of sight and the people will be given space to protest.

1921
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 18: But the news cameras, I think, will be doing their

1922
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 18: best to just focus on stuff that paints the UK

1923
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 18: in a positive light. Britain needs this week to go well.

1924
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 18: Britain needs trade deals with America, Britain needs friends right now,

1925
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 18: and I think Starmer really needs this week to be

1926
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 18: brilliant because he's had a rocky few weeks and months.

1927
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 18: He's languishing in the polls. There's talk of replacing him

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Speaker 18: within Labor and that will only grow. So I think

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Speaker 18: what we're seeing this week will probably be Starmer at

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Speaker 18: his best doing the international stuff. But an awful lot

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Speaker 18: of people feel that the Prime Minister has taken his

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Speaker 18: eye off the ball domestically.

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Speaker 6: For some time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but am I right in thinking he's still got

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Speaker 2: a big gruel today of the Mendelsohn affair.

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Speaker 18: Yes, so three hours have been allocated this morning in

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Speaker 18: Parliament and he gave quite a feisty interview by Starmer

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Speaker 18: standards last night defending his own handling of everything, in

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Speaker 18: the timing of everything and who knew what. So for

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Speaker 18: anyone who hasn't followed this. Peter Mandelsson was the UK

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Speaker 18: ambassador to America. Last Wednesday Prime Minister's question, Starmer defended

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Speaker 18: him even though there were question marks over his long

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Speaker 18: friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, and it became quickly clear that

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Speaker 18: that position was untenable because there were so many emails

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Speaker 18: got leaked to the media from Mandelsson writing to Epstein

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Speaker 18: after he had been convicted of abusing children, saying fight this,

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Speaker 18: fight for an early release. We love you, your friends love you,

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Speaker 18: will stand by you. Cringey, cringey stuff from Peter Mandelsson,

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Speaker 18: and then within twenty four hours Starmer had to come

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Speaker 18: out and say he's gone. I've had to get rid

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Speaker 18: of him. So it's not a good look for Starmer.

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Speaker 18: And I think the whole accusation that his critics make

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Speaker 18: is that he's a flip flop. Prime Minister says one

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Speaker 18: thing and then the next day does something else. It

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Speaker 18: just keeps playing out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, why has Connor McGregor pulled out.

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Speaker 18: So he had no chance of ever becoming President of Ireland.

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Speaker 18: We will elect our next president for seven years on

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Speaker 18: October twenty fourth. It's kind of like a job nobody

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Speaker 18: wants at the moment, not that many front runners or

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Speaker 18: big names have gone into the race, but McGregor has

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Speaker 18: made a big deal of going to America, popping up

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Speaker 18: in the Oval Office on Saint Patrick's Day and channeling

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Speaker 18: all that Trump energy and the friendships he's made in

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Speaker 18: the Maga world, and he was painting himself out to

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Speaker 18: be the savior of Ireland. I don't quite know who

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Speaker 18: he's saving Ireland from. We're running a budget surplus of

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Speaker 18: nine billion. I mean, it's the money washing around Ireland

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Speaker 18: and government at the moment is insane. Compared to when

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Speaker 18: I was a kid growing up in the eighties, we

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Speaker 18: were on our knees. Our life in Ireland is pretty

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Speaker 18: pretty good right now, but McGregor riles up this far

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Speaker 18: right kind of fringe. I would say it's a percentage

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Speaker 18: of one percent in Ireland. But unfortunately he was never

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Speaker 18: going to get the support and he saw that and

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Speaker 18: he has pulled out. He couldn't get the county councils

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Speaker 18: to back him, or twenty elected representatives. And then it's

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Speaker 18: a shame because I actually got asked if I'd run,

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Speaker 18: and I would like nothing better than getting in the

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Speaker 18: ring with Connor McGregor. I just would have. I would

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Speaker 18: have eaten them alive.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, So why didn't you say yes?

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Speaker 18: Because I'm forty nine and I've an awful lot more

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Speaker 18: to achieve. Seven years time might be a different story,

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Speaker 18: but watch this space.

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Speaker 2: Ay, good tip, Thank you very much. Into Indo Brady, UK, correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm fascinating. Steps on the creative industry in this country.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I didn't realize it is our fourth

1989
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Speaker 2: biggest export industry. Contributed nearly thirteen billion dollars to the

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Speaker 2: economy from just ninety thousand jobs three years ago. Eighty

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Speaker 2: percent of the people who work in creative industries do

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Speaker 2: not hold formal creative qualifications, while more than eighty percent

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Speaker 2: of those with formal creative qualifications do not go into

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Speaker 2: the creative industries. Isn't that fascinating? What that says is

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Speaker 2: if you want to go into the creative industries, do

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Speaker 2: not get a qualification. Just go in. If you get

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Speaker 2: a qualification, you're not going to end up there. Now,

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Speaker 2: there is a scandal, a cheating scandal in the skimming Championships.

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Speaker 2: I'm around you through that next eight away from seven.

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Speaker 3: It's the heather too.

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Speaker 1: For see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by Newstalk ZBI.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is what five away from seven. This

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Speaker 2: is what's been going on at the World Stone Skimming Championships,

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Speaker 2: which yeah, I didn't either know that that existed, but

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Speaker 2: it is exactly what it sounds like. They all get together,

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Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of them, about twenty two hundred

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Speaker 2: of them get together this time in the West coast

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Speaker 2: of Scotland and in Easdale, on a tiny island, and

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Speaker 2: they go and they select their stones and then they

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Speaker 2: skim them across the water, right, and each competitor is

2012
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Speaker 2: allowed three skims, and the stones have to bounce at

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Speaker 2: least twice on the water before sinking, and they have

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Speaker 2: to pick their stones up there. They have to be

2015
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Speaker 2: naturally occurring stones, and then they have to put it

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Speaker 2: through a piece of metal. Like it's like, it looks like,

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Speaker 2: how can I describe this to you? Oh gosh, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a cocktail analogy. Nah, that's a rubbish one.

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Speaker 2: It's just like it's a flat piece. It's like a

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Speaker 2: flat piece of metal that's round with a circle in

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Speaker 2: the middle, right, and the stone has to fit through

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Speaker 2: that circle. That circle is three inches in diameter. It's

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Speaker 2: called the Ring of Truth. But what's been going on

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Speaker 2: is that people have been picking up their stones and

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Speaker 2: they've been doctoring them, picking up kind of biggish ones

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Speaker 2: because the bigger, obviously, you know, the more likely it's

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Speaker 2: going to do the thing that you wanted to do. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: so they have been getting them and then they've been

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Speaker 2: like making them as perfectly circular as possible to fit

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Speaker 2: through the Ring of Truth. They didn't notice it at

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Speaker 2: the time, but when they heard the rumor rings, then

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Speaker 2: they had them up. And then all the guilty people

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Speaker 2: put their hands up and say year with me. So

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Speaker 2: problem solved. But what a scandal, Libby.

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Speaker 24: I've got some gos on the Coachella lineup. Oh yes, tonight.

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Speaker 24: So the Coachella lineup has just come out today, and

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Speaker 24: obviously the big names are in it. Sabrina Carpenter's on

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Speaker 24: the Friday, Justin Biever's on the Saturday, someone called Carol

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Speaker 24: Geers on the Sunday. I got to say I'm out of.

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Speaker 2: It with that one.

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Speaker 24: But some people have spotted in the lineup. Something called

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Speaker 24: the Bunker Debut of Radio had Kid amnesia, and they

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Speaker 24: think it's a cryptic message that Radiohead will come back

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Speaker 24: for a surprise appearance.

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Speaker 2: Well, would the message be because Radiohead's name isn't there?

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Speaker 24: I think so? It gives it away?

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Speaker 2: Does give it away? They'd be exciting that I'd go

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Speaker 2: and see Radiohead. Would you go see Radiohead?

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Speaker 24: I would go and see that.

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Speaker 2: I'd go see Radiohead before too, Lennie out, Okay, pump it,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Libby. See tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.

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