1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: The good news from the F one is we're in 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: the middle of a three header Japan last weekend. Of course, 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: this weekend we're heading to bah Rain before we hit 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: to Sadi next weekend. The thinking is it gives Liam 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Lawson time to adjust to the new car as well 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: as dealing with the tracks he knows. Of course, we 7 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: promise to get Peter Winsor back on. He's a former 8 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: Williams team manager when they won both the constructors and 9 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: the driver's championships, so he's next. Bert in the field 10 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: knows what he's talking about. He's with us once again 11 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: from from Spain. Peter Windsor morning, Good morning to you. 12 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for having me on the show. Not at all. 13 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Let's start with our obsession in this part of the world, 14 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: the Liam's story. How much of last weekend was him? 15 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: How much was the strategy? How much was the car? 16 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: Do you think? 17 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: I think so it was him? Act The only yardstick 18 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: you have is your teammate. In Formula one, there's two 19 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: cars in every team, they're both basically identical, and you've 20 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: got to judge what you're doing alongside the guy you 21 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: don't want to be beaten by. Is your teammate bottom line, 22 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: and although Liam could take a little bit of satisf actually, 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: I think from out qualifying Yuki Sonoda who was in 24 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: the A team, that they are different cars, as as 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: Liam well knows. And then his only yardstick was iszak 26 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: Haja in the in the B team, and Izak sadly 27 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: looked a lot better than Liam all weekend. 28 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: Can we cut Liam some slack given he's reacquainting himself 29 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: with the car, and I look at somebody like Carlos, 30 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: for example, who's still struggling with there's Williams, and maybe 31 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: give him a couple of more weekends before we make 32 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: that direct comparison or not. 33 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: I think I think you can say that Cep goes on, 34 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: Liam will drive better and better and we'll see a 35 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: lot of the old Liam that we saw last year. 36 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: Whether or not that Liam is now going to be 37 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: good enough to beat his teammate is zak Haja, who's 38 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: a driver of enormous talent quite clearly, is another matter. 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: So there's a two different answers really, and I think 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: you have to take into account that Suzuka is a 41 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: driver's circuit. It's a circuit where a driver can part 42 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: more into the car than he can. For example, in 43 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: Bahrain that where we're racing this weekend and on that 44 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: circuit as a rookie is like Agile was unbelievably good, 45 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: and that's something Liam needs to be really focused on. 46 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: Let me come back to that. In the moment, Helmet 47 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Marco suggested that Liam needs to score some points this 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: weekend and next. Is that fair or is that the 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: old red bull pressure? 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: Well, it's fair, but it's kind of stating the obvious, 51 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: isn't it. I think Liam, like your racing drab. It 52 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: goes into every Grand Prix knowing that they've got the 53 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: score points and wanted to score points. So there's nothing 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: new there, and all Marco is doing is just stating 55 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: the obvious that you know, it would make sense if 56 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 2: Liam had said, actually, I don't think I want to 57 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: score any points in Bahrain or Saudi Arabia. I'm not 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: going to go for the points at all. I mean, 59 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: then you could possibly say, yeah, Helmet Marco's comment makes sense. 60 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: But Liam is not saying that any more than anybody 61 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: else would ever say that, So I don't really understand 62 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: what it's all about. Obviously, Liam's giving it one hundred 63 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: percent every weekend, doing the best he can. But I'd 64 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: say it's very lost at the moment because you know, 65 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: the season started badly with the A team and now 66 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: with this young rookie alongside him, he's getting blown away 67 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: and that's a big problem. 68 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: You're speaking so well of Hedger, Hedger, I wonder if 69 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: he's flying slightly under the radar, because if you want 70 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: to talk about talented rookies, Antonelli seems to be getting 71 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: all the headlines. 72 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: Well incorrectly so because Antonelli is in a factory Mercedes 73 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: and you know he should be doing that. Well, it's 74 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: a very good car. But if you look at where 75 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: the other other B team, you know, the Racing Bulls is, 76 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: where is it. It's in the hands of Liam Lawson. 77 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: And look what is zak Haja is doing with it? 78 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: That isak Haja's performance actually was much more meritorious than 79 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: Kimi Antonelli's in opinion in Japan for sure. And obviously 80 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: the Mercedes is a better car. It's a better team, 81 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: huge budget, whole huge operation. This is the Bee Red team, 82 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: you know, Red Bull be team. So you know you've 83 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: got to be nothing but impressed with isac Haja. He 84 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: was a great driver to walks. And it's not only 85 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: the el, it's the way he drives. I mean the 86 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: way he was showing up a lot of very very experienced, 87 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: very very good racing drivers. I've been looking at a 88 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: picture today of him when he was leading Lewis Hamilton 89 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: at one point, and he's got his car in such 90 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: a nice position compared with Lewis going up through the 91 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: es and that sort of detail you would not expect 92 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: of a rookie, to be honest, and that's another problem 93 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: for Lin. Now, this guy is really good. 94 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: Is he so good that if Sonoda isn't he's the 95 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: third player for red Bull this season? Or is that 96 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: just too crazy? 97 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: Oh? I think Red Bull would already be thinking, Wow, 98 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: we've got somebody very special here and great that he's 99 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: going to do a year now in the B team, 100 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: but we need to be thinking about him for the 101 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: A team next year. Yeah, I'm sure already they'll be 102 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: thinking that. 103 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it's exciting to tell me if 104 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But the season so far is brilliant. This 105 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: is this McLaren thing we saw in Japan, and presumably 106 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: it's going to be a talking point in Bahrain this 107 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: weekend as well, these papaya rules and what you do 108 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: with pstre and who's got bit of pace? And do 109 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: you you chase down the step and was that a mistake? 110 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: Did they blow that? 111 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: In my opinion they did because I think there's a 112 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: lot of downside in running two very quick drivers in 113 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: a team because it detracts from one driver. If you've 114 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 2: got a Lando Norris, you don't really need somebody as 115 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: good as Oscar in the other car, and vice versa. 116 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 2: You put somebody is a little bit easier to handle, 117 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: somebody like say Daniel Ricardo would have. It was a 118 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: perfect teammate to Lando, but they went this route of 119 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: having somebody very very quick in the other car and 120 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: there are a lot of downsides and he took points 121 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: from Lando last year for sure. If the upside is 122 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: that in the situation they were in Japan, there was 123 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 2: a perfect situation there for McLaren to say to Lando, Okay, 124 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: let Oscar pass. We're going to give him twenty laps 125 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: to wear down Max, and we'll tell him to let 126 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: you get in front again towards the end race. You 127 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: can win the race. But he's going to he's got 128 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: more in his car at the moment, he can push 129 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: Max a bit harder or get Max to use up 130 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: his tires and then New Lando can win the race. 131 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: That would have been a really clever strategy and we 132 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: could easily have done that, but they didn't. They just 133 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: let them both sit there and they were like sort 134 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: of rabbit called in the headlight, didn't know what to do, 135 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: and they were just both going around. You know. Obviously 136 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: Oscar wanted to get to up the pace. Lando was 137 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: sort of mesmerized into thinking that Max might make some 138 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: sort of mistake or something. I didn't want to get 139 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: too close to him because it's dirty air and it 140 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 2: damages the front tires, et cetera, and the front wing. 141 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: And so they went round and round and round, and 142 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: it was it was a lost opportunity for McLaren. Yet again, 143 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: if you're going to have two quick guys, use. 144 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: Them, it makes sense. Listen, tell me a different what's 145 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: different this week in right in terms of the track 146 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: because a lot of people he contacted the program, a 147 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: lot of New IF one fans in the country were 148 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: all fizzed about lie and were all on board. But 149 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: they said last week in Suzuka was boring. Might be 150 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: a great track, but what a boring race, what a precision? 151 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: What's different this week? 152 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: In Well, First of all, I would say it was 153 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: a crawling race because although there were very few overtakes, 154 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: it was non stop tension and defense and attack. It 155 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: was a wonderful race. So that's the first thing to 156 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: realize about the Japanese Japanese Grand Prix bah Rain easier 157 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: to overtake, There'll be a lot more overtaking. People will 158 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: probably say it's more exciting in that sense. It's a 159 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: bit banal, bit sort of you know, in your face, 160 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: not really finesse as a circuit. There's one really nice 161 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: section of road turn nine, turn ten. The rest of 162 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: it's fairly basic, and even an averagely good racing driver 163 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: will be pretty quick around there, so you'll see the 164 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: grid very close, very competitive. Liam will be very near 165 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: is Zach Hadja there. I suspect he might even be 166 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: quicker than Hadja there. It's not a circuit where it's 167 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: particularly demanding in any area apart from turns nine and ten, 168 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: and they really only come into play during the race 169 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: when the tis are going away. Then that corner becomes 170 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: a great corner. But in terms of qualifying, it'll be 171 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: defined by the performance of the cars, which cars have 172 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: got the most efficient downforce, and you'll see them pairing 173 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: up on the grid, the two you know, the two 174 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: racing balls, probably the two McLaren's, the two Merks, the 175 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: two Ferraris. They'll be very near one another. There's not 176 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: a lot of drivers can do that. It's not a 177 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: driver's circuit really. Apart from that nine to ten section. 178 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 1: Have you got a sense of the season yet, Peter, 179 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: drivers versus constructors any clue or are we still guessing? 180 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: Oh? I think the season? So the season is McLaren 181 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: for sure have the best package that probably will have 182 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: the best package all year. There will be racist when 183 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: they get it wrong, but it's going to be their 184 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: championship to lose. Certainly they're going to win the constructors championship. 185 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 2: I'd say. The only thing, of course, is that Max 186 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: is just a much better, not much better, but a 187 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: better racing driver than both Lando and Oscar, and a 188 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 2: good racing driver in an average car probably about thirty 189 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: percent time in the season can do something. You know, 190 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: when it's wet or it's a circuit like Suzuka, or 191 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: there's a lot of wind or something else comes into play, 192 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: then a guy like Max can do what he can do. 193 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: But in terms of a straight fight, McLaren by far 194 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: and have the best car at the moment, the best package, 195 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: and it's difficult to see that changing as the season progresses. 196 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: You've been around a long time and hung out with 197 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: a lot of really really good drivers. Where do you 198 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: put the stepping and the grand scheme of things? 199 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: Well, I put him right up there with the very best. 200 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: I think that the era in which he races I 201 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: call it the two pedal era. It's the era in 202 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: which we no longer have a manual gear shift in 203 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: the car, the type that At and Senna used. We 204 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: don't have a clutch pedal. It's just two pedals, accelerator 205 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: and a break. Michael Schumacher was in the middle of 206 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: the transition to that era, but Max has only known 207 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: that era. He's probably never changed gear with a clutch 208 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: in his life. I wouldn't have thought so in that 209 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: two pedal era, I would say he is the best 210 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: driver now for sure. I think Lewis has kind of 211 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: lost the plot at the moment in terms of where 212 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: he's going with the car and how to drive the car. 213 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: And Charlotte Clerk's not far away from Max. I thought 214 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: he drove beautifully at the weekend sensational drive by Butt Blerk. 215 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: But he's a bit more emotional it more. You know, 216 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: he's grown up with the whole Ferrari thing. He's French, 217 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: you know, he's very prone to all the historyonics and 218 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: the emotion that comes with that, whereas Max has had 219 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: like this copybook career where he's just gone into this 220 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: beautiful team Red Bull, which is a great race team, 221 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: and he's Dutch, and he's calm, and he's very simple 222 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: in the way he goes racing. He doesn't over complicate it, 223 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 2: he doesn't let the data dominate the way he thinks. 224 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: He thinks like a racing driver, racing in italics, as 225 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: I think from a professional Formula one driver. And I 226 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: think most of the young guys out there aspire these 227 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: days to be professional Formula one drivers. And that's the mistake. 228 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: They made too much data, too much information, not enough 229 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: gut feel. 230 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: Exactly, Peter, Always a pleasure, appreciate it. We'll get you 231 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: back on again. Peter Wins, a former Williams team manager 232 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: out of spaying this morning. By the way, he does 233 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: a very good podcast called Short Corners. It's a highly 234 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: detailed you can be down a rabbit hole there the 235 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: Minuti I and if it's for the lovers of bit 236 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: of one. So he's got that Short Corners. He's got 237 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: a YouTube channel called Peter as well. Surely, Mike, we 238 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: want passing in a Grand Prix, not a procession. Yeah, 239 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: it was interesting. He said that it's like it I 240 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: liken it to five day cricket. You know, the people 241 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: who are passionate about five day cricket get it, whereas 242 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: those of us who don't get it look on and go, well, 243 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: what the hell he's spending five days for? And a 244 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: lot of the drivers in fact post Japan said what 245 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: a procession? How boring it was. But for the officionado, 246 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: the subtlety and nuance, pit strategy, tires, et cetera. What 247 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: was going on Japan was interesting, but for the wider 248 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: world not so much. Good to have them on the program. 249 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 250 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: news Talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 251 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.