1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,587 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:12,987 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB All. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:15,427 Speaker 2: Black's Fiji San Diego two thirty five. While the All 4 00:00:15,427 --> 00:00:19,107 Speaker 2: Blacks are firm favorites, Fiji are no longer a rugby 5 00:00:19,147 --> 00:00:25,467 Speaker 2: mino those passionate fans, But Australia one more chance. The 6 00:00:25,547 --> 00:00:27,627 Speaker 2: scrum disintegrates all over the place. 7 00:00:27,667 --> 00:00:28,667 Speaker 1: Pedal g fig. 8 00:00:31,147 --> 00:00:34,707 Speaker 2: We've got a love for a fig drum. Look good 9 00:00:34,747 --> 00:00:38,147 Speaker 2: at Man's To these fiften players, it's the first time 10 00:00:38,267 --> 00:00:41,267 Speaker 2: since nineteen fifty four of their bet in Australia. 11 00:00:41,867 --> 00:00:43,827 Speaker 1: What a time, What a pasta jets. 12 00:00:43,987 --> 00:00:46,707 Speaker 2: Now that's Fiji beating Australia at Rugby World Cup last year, 13 00:00:46,747 --> 00:00:49,467 Speaker 2: getting into the quarterfinals where they lost to England by 14 00:00:49,707 --> 00:00:53,467 Speaker 2: eight points. From memory having beaten England at Twickenham pre tournament. 15 00:00:53,627 --> 00:00:56,987 Speaker 2: So here Fiji making big strides in the fifteen man 16 00:00:57,107 --> 00:01:00,147 Speaker 2: game to help preview this afternoon's test. It's a great 17 00:01:00,147 --> 00:01:04,067 Speaker 2: pleasure to welcome into Weekend Sport. Former Chiefs and Saracen's 18 00:01:04,147 --> 00:01:09,507 Speaker 2: first five former leading Internet national referee, including controlling thirty 19 00:01:09,547 --> 00:01:13,707 Speaker 2: two Test matches. Former assistant coach of Fiji, including at 20 00:01:13,747 --> 00:01:16,947 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three Rugby World Cup and having served 21 00:01:17,067 --> 00:01:20,827 Speaker 2: as assistant coach the newly appointed head coach of the 22 00:01:20,907 --> 00:01:24,627 Speaker 2: Fiji and Drewer Super Rugby side, Glenn Jackson. Of course, 23 00:01:24,707 --> 00:01:27,747 Speaker 2: what a CV you're building, Glenn. Thanks for joining us, mate, 24 00:01:27,787 --> 00:01:28,107 Speaker 2: How are you? 25 00:01:28,827 --> 00:01:31,587 Speaker 3: Yeah? Good? Thanks for this introduction. I can understand now 26 00:01:31,627 --> 00:01:33,667 Speaker 3: while most my hair is falling out, it's been pretty 27 00:01:33,707 --> 00:01:35,747 Speaker 3: long in the game, but I still would great to 28 00:01:35,787 --> 00:01:36,307 Speaker 3: be involved. 29 00:01:36,627 --> 00:01:39,827 Speaker 2: Alright, let's look straight away at this game this afternoon. 30 00:01:39,907 --> 00:01:43,187 Speaker 2: How much of a threat do you perceive Fiji to 31 00:01:43,307 --> 00:01:45,227 Speaker 2: be to the All Blacks and San Diego today? 32 00:01:46,587 --> 00:01:48,947 Speaker 3: Oh? Look at the pretty settled side really from the 33 00:01:48,987 --> 00:01:52,707 Speaker 3: World Cup that we had last year. It's a pretty 34 00:01:52,747 --> 00:01:55,027 Speaker 3: well settled side with a couple of new guys from 35 00:01:55,067 --> 00:01:57,547 Speaker 3: the Drawer that were in there. So look, they've got 36 00:01:57,587 --> 00:02:00,587 Speaker 3: some really experienced overseas players. I think the back rows 37 00:02:00,867 --> 00:02:05,707 Speaker 3: is pretty special with Bill Marta and Lakeima from Poe, 38 00:02:05,867 --> 00:02:08,547 Speaker 3: so that the back rows really good. The young boy 39 00:02:08,627 --> 00:02:10,947 Speaker 3: that had actually missed out on the World Cup as 40 00:02:11,067 --> 00:02:13,307 Speaker 3: Kiddy Salawa, who plays the Drawer, he definitely would have 41 00:02:13,347 --> 00:02:16,347 Speaker 3: been there, but he fortunly got an injury. So there's 42 00:02:16,347 --> 00:02:20,067 Speaker 3: certainly some good experience in the team. Obviously, playing the 43 00:02:20,107 --> 00:02:22,507 Speaker 3: All Blacks is a different, different approach for any team, 44 00:02:22,587 --> 00:02:25,707 Speaker 3: especially Fiji in a little island like we are. So no, 45 00:02:25,867 --> 00:02:28,107 Speaker 3: but you know, I like what Mixed done in terms 46 00:02:28,107 --> 00:02:29,707 Speaker 3: of the selection and it should be a big game. 47 00:02:30,227 --> 00:02:32,227 Speaker 2: Do you think there's the belief in the team now 48 00:02:32,307 --> 00:02:35,267 Speaker 2: that they can topple the All Blacks? They beat England 49 00:02:35,307 --> 00:02:37,667 Speaker 2: at Twickenham, beat Australia at the World Cup last year. 50 00:02:37,907 --> 00:02:39,907 Speaker 2: Do you think that belief is there that they could 51 00:02:39,907 --> 00:02:40,787 Speaker 2: topple the All Blacks. 52 00:02:42,787 --> 00:02:45,867 Speaker 3: I definitely think so. I think if you look back 53 00:02:45,907 --> 00:02:48,067 Speaker 3: on history, I think the Fiji always looked up to 54 00:02:48,067 --> 00:02:50,107 Speaker 3: the All Blecks. I mean, you know, the sprinting of 55 00:02:50,267 --> 00:02:52,107 Speaker 3: or not sprinkling a lot of Fijians that have played 56 00:02:52,147 --> 00:02:54,827 Speaker 3: for the All bleckses. It's probably where you come from 57 00:02:54,827 --> 00:02:56,627 Speaker 3: an island nine hundred thousand. They looked up to the 58 00:02:56,667 --> 00:03:00,267 Speaker 3: All Blacks as heroes in sort of the the gurus 59 00:03:00,267 --> 00:03:02,347 Speaker 3: of rugby. But I think with super Rugby now and 60 00:03:03,427 --> 00:03:05,147 Speaker 3: you know we've we've been lucky enough to win a 61 00:03:05,187 --> 00:03:07,507 Speaker 3: couple of games and feed ye games. He's on teams 62 00:03:08,627 --> 00:03:10,667 Speaker 3: they like you said, did pretty well against the World 63 00:03:10,707 --> 00:03:15,507 Speaker 3: Cup with Ben in England and then Australia, so certainly 64 00:03:15,787 --> 00:03:18,587 Speaker 3: that area of of being able to win big matches 65 00:03:18,627 --> 00:03:20,507 Speaker 3: has sort of gone away a little bit. And you've 66 00:03:20,507 --> 00:03:24,547 Speaker 3: got those like Semi Ridargra and weiss Our captain there, 67 00:03:24,547 --> 00:03:27,227 Speaker 3: who's who's done there. They played a lot of rugby, 68 00:03:27,307 --> 00:03:31,227 Speaker 3: won big cups in France, so certainly well experienced. I 69 00:03:31,267 --> 00:03:34,107 Speaker 3: think at the age age bracket of the team's really good. 70 00:03:34,507 --> 00:03:38,307 Speaker 3: Janasai from from mass playing at tens as first proper 71 00:03:38,347 --> 00:03:41,067 Speaker 3: game at twenty, so the experience around him it should be, 72 00:03:41,467 --> 00:03:43,987 Speaker 3: you know, there's certainly the belief. I believe we have the. 73 00:03:43,987 --> 00:03:47,187 Speaker 2: Big improvements come Glenn and Fie Jane rugby in the 74 00:03:47,267 --> 00:03:49,227 Speaker 2: last three or four years in terms of the way 75 00:03:49,347 --> 00:03:50,667 Speaker 2: they play the game. 76 00:03:52,627 --> 00:03:55,307 Speaker 3: Oh, discipline, this one was number one for us going 77 00:03:55,387 --> 00:03:57,267 Speaker 3: into the into the World Cup. I think it was 78 00:03:57,347 --> 00:04:01,267 Speaker 3: something that we had to really change which became which 79 00:04:01,747 --> 00:04:05,947 Speaker 3: was fitness. I think the twenty David sevest As a 80 00:04:05,987 --> 00:04:09,947 Speaker 3: trainer with Fiji who's still with them, that we had 81 00:04:09,987 --> 00:04:12,387 Speaker 3: in the World Cup. He'd been to five World Cups, 82 00:04:12,427 --> 00:04:15,507 Speaker 3: I think mostly with England, so the way he trained 83 00:04:15,667 --> 00:04:18,307 Speaker 3: and got our boys to be fit is carried on 84 00:04:18,787 --> 00:04:24,347 Speaker 3: so also obviously playing continuous rugby with the drawer and 85 00:04:24,547 --> 00:04:27,467 Speaker 3: playing eighty minutes is the biggest one because even in 86 00:04:27,547 --> 00:04:29,747 Speaker 3: France and probably England, a lot of those boys were 87 00:04:29,907 --> 00:04:32,827 Speaker 3: either impact players or didn't play for eighty minutes, and 88 00:04:32,867 --> 00:04:35,027 Speaker 3: that was something that we really looked at it at 89 00:04:35,027 --> 00:04:38,907 Speaker 3: the World Cup. So the change around of Fiji playing 90 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:40,907 Speaker 3: well for sixty and then falling off the last twent 91 00:04:40,947 --> 00:04:42,987 Speaker 3: years has been a real big change around. 92 00:04:43,307 --> 00:04:45,827 Speaker 2: Yeah, alluded to it there, but how crucial to the 93 00:04:45,907 --> 00:04:49,867 Speaker 2: success of the Fijian national side have and will continue 94 00:04:49,907 --> 00:04:52,187 Speaker 2: to be the Fiji and drawer and Super rugby. 95 00:04:53,587 --> 00:04:57,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's massive. I think it's something that obviously we 96 00:04:57,547 --> 00:04:59,667 Speaker 3: tried for a long long time to get team in 97 00:04:59,747 --> 00:05:02,707 Speaker 3: Super rugby with Fiji hair being and now you've got 98 00:05:02,747 --> 00:05:07,387 Speaker 3: the ability of players earning pretty good money, been able 99 00:05:07,427 --> 00:05:10,027 Speaker 3: to stay home. Even next year we're getting a few 100 00:05:10,027 --> 00:05:12,747 Speaker 3: players back from France and from around the place. So 101 00:05:12,867 --> 00:05:18,107 Speaker 3: it's certainly a massive part of Fiji and also in 102 00:05:18,267 --> 00:05:20,947 Speaker 3: the public right and behind the rugby, and there was 103 00:05:21,027 --> 00:05:24,587 Speaker 3: never an issue around support. But I think seeing proper 104 00:05:25,947 --> 00:05:28,027 Speaker 3: super rabby games played in the country is really good. 105 00:05:28,107 --> 00:05:31,747 Speaker 3: Got everyone in behind the national team as well. So yeah, 106 00:05:31,827 --> 00:05:34,747 Speaker 3: it's certainly been massive. You know, I don't think we'll 107 00:05:35,227 --> 00:05:38,227 Speaker 3: truly see the real effects probably until sort of two 108 00:05:38,347 --> 00:05:41,307 Speaker 3: or three more years on top of that, But when 109 00:05:41,347 --> 00:05:44,267 Speaker 3: you've got a twenty year old ten we were lucky 110 00:05:44,347 --> 00:05:46,987 Speaker 3: enough to get from from New Zealand now playing for Fiji, 111 00:05:47,747 --> 00:05:49,907 Speaker 3: you know, that's the big change. We're not only just 112 00:05:49,947 --> 00:05:52,787 Speaker 3: getting great Fijian players, We're also getting Fijian players that 113 00:05:52,907 --> 00:05:55,787 Speaker 3: played overseas and learned their trade in New Zealand schools, 114 00:05:55,787 --> 00:05:56,947 Speaker 3: in Australian schools. 115 00:05:57,067 --> 00:05:58,547 Speaker 2: I want to come back to the drawer in the moment. 116 00:05:58,627 --> 00:06:02,107 Speaker 2: But in terms of the Fiji national sides improvement in 117 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:05,347 Speaker 2: recent times, Ken, can you talk a bit about Vern 118 00:06:05,427 --> 00:06:08,307 Speaker 2: Cotter's influence on that improvement. 119 00:06:09,667 --> 00:06:12,747 Speaker 3: Well, which we obviously know how good Werner's as a 120 00:06:12,867 --> 00:06:15,387 Speaker 3: key coach. I mean he's just gone from strength to strength. 121 00:06:15,467 --> 00:06:18,027 Speaker 3: He won one on France and did a great job 122 00:06:18,067 --> 00:06:19,587 Speaker 3: with Fiji when he was with us, and then goze 123 00:06:19,627 --> 00:06:22,787 Speaker 3: Win's super rugby. So just bringing that sort of hard 124 00:06:22,907 --> 00:06:29,507 Speaker 3: edge mentality towards towards our full pack I think was outstanding. Also, 125 00:06:29,587 --> 00:06:31,707 Speaker 3: he just he knows how to win. You know, we're 126 00:06:32,107 --> 00:06:34,907 Speaker 3: extremely lucky to have Vern for three years. It was 127 00:06:35,067 --> 00:06:37,187 Speaker 3: you know, obviously disappointing that we he didn't go to 128 00:06:37,267 --> 00:06:40,067 Speaker 3: the World Cup with us and Simon Raylon he took 129 00:06:40,067 --> 00:06:44,107 Speaker 3: over and I think also the same sort of mentality 130 00:06:44,307 --> 00:06:47,947 Speaker 3: as Vern around no nonsense and just getting your four 131 00:06:48,067 --> 00:06:51,267 Speaker 3: pack a pretty hard edge. And and as you can 132 00:06:51,307 --> 00:06:53,827 Speaker 3: see what the Blues Blues did magnificently well was you 133 00:06:53,907 --> 00:06:56,587 Speaker 3: count win without a fod pack? And I think I 134 00:06:56,667 --> 00:06:58,307 Speaker 3: think Fiji at the moment has got a really good 135 00:06:58,307 --> 00:07:03,267 Speaker 3: full pack. So you know, Ronnie playing and Saracen's Tavita 136 00:07:03,387 --> 00:07:06,547 Speaker 3: is obviously a great hooker playing for for for us 137 00:07:06,587 --> 00:07:09,467 Speaker 3: at the drawer Asacond Dogie also, you know, so you've 138 00:07:09,507 --> 00:07:13,107 Speaker 3: got a front row that can can compete with the 139 00:07:13,147 --> 00:07:15,267 Speaker 3: All Blacks. And then like I said, with the background, 140 00:07:15,267 --> 00:07:19,587 Speaker 3: I think the back rod of Fiji is just amount 141 00:07:19,667 --> 00:07:21,507 Speaker 3: of people that can play in there for this test. 142 00:07:21,627 --> 00:07:24,827 Speaker 3: So it's a full pack that's been started with Burn 143 00:07:25,187 --> 00:07:27,547 Speaker 3: carried on as Simon and then obviously now mis and 144 00:07:28,067 --> 00:07:29,907 Speaker 3: Graham Jews has done a good job with with that 145 00:07:30,067 --> 00:07:32,867 Speaker 3: with that team beating Georgia and Georgia just last week, 146 00:07:32,947 --> 00:07:35,147 Speaker 3: so which is no mean fake and. 147 00:07:35,467 --> 00:07:37,027 Speaker 2: How do you reckon mcbern will go? It's hard to 148 00:07:37,027 --> 00:07:38,587 Speaker 2: protect the future, I know, but how do you reckon 149 00:07:38,627 --> 00:07:38,827 Speaker 2: we'll go? 150 00:07:40,787 --> 00:07:44,147 Speaker 3: Mcburn's been unbelievable for the for for the drawer. He 151 00:07:44,227 --> 00:07:46,067 Speaker 3: started up and he's been there for three years. And 152 00:07:46,187 --> 00:07:48,827 Speaker 3: the great thing about mcke he knows Fijian's. He knows, 153 00:07:48,947 --> 00:07:51,947 Speaker 3: he's lived there, He's lived and Breeze Fiji. He never left, 154 00:07:52,587 --> 00:07:56,107 Speaker 3: so he knows that. You know, the pressure I suppose 155 00:07:56,147 --> 00:07:59,867 Speaker 3: also from the Fijian public on performances, but he also 156 00:08:00,027 --> 00:08:02,547 Speaker 3: understands the boys and and what makes them teck. And 157 00:08:03,147 --> 00:08:05,867 Speaker 3: you know, I think it's been a fabulous appointment from 158 00:08:06,387 --> 00:08:09,227 Speaker 3: Fiji Raby to sort of get the continuity from the 159 00:08:09,307 --> 00:08:10,787 Speaker 3: draw now into the national side. 160 00:08:11,507 --> 00:08:14,907 Speaker 2: This game this afternoon, playing in San Diego. Does that 161 00:08:15,947 --> 00:08:19,067 Speaker 2: disadvantage Fiji or could it fact? Could it in fact 162 00:08:19,107 --> 00:08:21,547 Speaker 2: be an advantage being the fact that it's at a 163 00:08:21,627 --> 00:08:22,347 Speaker 2: neutral venue. 164 00:08:24,707 --> 00:08:27,267 Speaker 3: No, I think it would have been fabulous in Fiji. 165 00:08:27,347 --> 00:08:30,627 Speaker 3: I think it's where it was first muted to be there, 166 00:08:30,707 --> 00:08:35,227 Speaker 3: but unfortunately it didn't happen. Fiji's had a three hectic 167 00:08:35,387 --> 00:08:39,547 Speaker 3: sort of month, obviously with Barbierians Bushey straight after the 168 00:08:39,667 --> 00:08:41,667 Speaker 3: quarter Final, then they had Georgia and then they had 169 00:08:41,707 --> 00:08:43,907 Speaker 3: a week off, so it's sort of been overseas. The 170 00:08:43,987 --> 00:08:46,747 Speaker 3: good thing about that you're living and breathing with each other, 171 00:08:46,867 --> 00:08:49,907 Speaker 3: You're getting to know each other. So but as you know, 172 00:08:50,147 --> 00:08:51,867 Speaker 3: if you just look at drew as results from home 173 00:08:51,947 --> 00:08:54,587 Speaker 3: and away, a game in Fiji would be would be 174 00:08:54,667 --> 00:08:57,507 Speaker 3: would have been fabulous today. But I think San Diego 175 00:08:57,627 --> 00:09:00,907 Speaker 3: is obviously great for a couple of reasons. I think 176 00:09:00,947 --> 00:09:03,987 Speaker 3: the North American market with the World Cup, it's great. 177 00:09:04,067 --> 00:09:06,907 Speaker 3: It's hopefully going to be a fantastic game. Fiji will 178 00:09:06,907 --> 00:09:09,227 Speaker 3: playing so well so with the or blocks. So if 179 00:09:09,267 --> 00:09:11,187 Speaker 3: it's if it's a great game of footy, then it's 180 00:09:11,227 --> 00:09:13,547 Speaker 3: only good for the game. Obviously marketing up in the 181 00:09:13,907 --> 00:09:15,227 Speaker 3: in the US. 182 00:09:15,907 --> 00:09:18,707 Speaker 2: That's the positive spin. But you're right, Glen, I mean, 183 00:09:18,827 --> 00:09:20,587 Speaker 2: how good would it have been to have this game 184 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:23,187 Speaker 2: in Suver, for example, or Lautoka. 185 00:09:25,067 --> 00:09:28,467 Speaker 3: Yeah, look at really amazing and harp on about it, 186 00:09:28,507 --> 00:09:31,547 Speaker 3: but we've all seen what superad. We needed something a 187 00:09:31,667 --> 00:09:32,987 Speaker 3: bit of a change, and I think the drawer has 188 00:09:32,987 --> 00:09:37,227 Speaker 3: brought that around. The passion. I've had plenty of mates 189 00:09:37,267 --> 00:09:38,867 Speaker 3: come up here and just say it's the best sporting 190 00:09:38,947 --> 00:09:42,627 Speaker 3: experience they've ever had. Suvera would have been pumped and 191 00:09:42,987 --> 00:09:46,907 Speaker 3: jammed in with I think it oldt eighteen to twenty four, 192 00:09:46,987 --> 00:09:49,547 Speaker 3: but there would have been thirty five thousand and bunched 193 00:09:49,587 --> 00:09:51,987 Speaker 3: into that those hills, So yeah, it would have been 194 00:09:52,027 --> 00:09:53,427 Speaker 3: It would have been amazing. It would have been amazing, 195 00:09:53,427 --> 00:09:56,027 Speaker 3: but not only for for the Fijian boys, but also 196 00:09:56,347 --> 00:09:59,467 Speaker 3: for the or Blacks to experience, you know, an atmosphere 197 00:09:59,547 --> 00:10:01,987 Speaker 3: that like you don't often get now I suppose, just 198 00:10:02,827 --> 00:10:05,707 Speaker 3: pure passion of the wonderful Fijian people and how much 199 00:10:05,747 --> 00:10:08,267 Speaker 3: they love the game. And also of course two and 200 00:10:08,267 --> 00:10:11,467 Speaker 3: a half hours from juieon so the traveling community would 201 00:10:11,467 --> 00:10:12,707 Speaker 3: have been up there as well. So it would have 202 00:10:12,747 --> 00:10:15,307 Speaker 3: been a great experience not only for Fiji but also 203 00:10:15,387 --> 00:10:19,187 Speaker 3: for the for the tourism market at the time of 204 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:19,467 Speaker 3: the year. 205 00:10:19,867 --> 00:10:22,707 Speaker 2: One per agree. Yeah, the scenes in super Rugby were 206 00:10:22,747 --> 00:10:25,587 Speaker 2: just just to refect obviously mixed move into head coaching 207 00:10:25,707 --> 00:10:28,747 Speaker 2: Fiji saw you promoted to head coach of the Fiji 208 00:10:28,867 --> 00:10:31,387 Speaker 2: and Drewer, how much are you looking forward to to 209 00:10:31,547 --> 00:10:32,307 Speaker 2: taking the reins? 210 00:10:33,827 --> 00:10:38,267 Speaker 3: Oh? Super excited. I think obviously it's my first effort 211 00:10:38,267 --> 00:10:40,867 Speaker 3: as a head coach, there's always always a bit of 212 00:10:40,907 --> 00:10:44,667 Speaker 3: a well, not pressure, but just demands of obviously carrying on, 213 00:10:44,907 --> 00:10:47,627 Speaker 3: how well mixed done making quarter finals two to three 214 00:10:47,707 --> 00:10:51,787 Speaker 3: years looking forward to that. Love the idea of trying 215 00:10:51,827 --> 00:10:56,107 Speaker 3: to take this young team another step further and very 216 00:10:56,147 --> 00:10:58,307 Speaker 3: settled squad which always helps. And now we're just going 217 00:10:58,347 --> 00:11:00,707 Speaker 3: to get a couple of w's on the road, which 218 00:11:01,107 --> 00:11:03,107 Speaker 3: is something we've already been looking at pretty hard, and 219 00:11:03,667 --> 00:11:06,547 Speaker 3: some experience of you know, some nineteen year olds in 220 00:11:06,587 --> 00:11:09,387 Speaker 3: now twenty so that's that's fabulous. So we're getting our 221 00:11:09,427 --> 00:11:11,507 Speaker 3: team a little bit older. We're still I think we've 222 00:11:11,507 --> 00:11:13,507 Speaker 3: got one guy over twenty seven and the whole squad, 223 00:11:13,547 --> 00:11:16,827 Speaker 3: so we're very, very massively young squad that are always learning. 224 00:11:16,907 --> 00:11:20,707 Speaker 3: So it's great to be given the opportunity to lead 225 00:11:20,747 --> 00:11:21,747 Speaker 3: such an amazing thing. 226 00:11:21,987 --> 00:11:25,907 Speaker 2: How do you wint away games clean? I, like I said, 227 00:11:26,267 --> 00:11:26,547 Speaker 2: I just. 228 00:11:26,587 --> 00:11:29,387 Speaker 3: Think, you know, you look at you know, our teen 229 00:11:29,507 --> 00:11:33,307 Speaker 3: was nineteen, one of our wingers was nineteen. You know, 230 00:11:33,987 --> 00:11:37,867 Speaker 3: it's just it's experience and I think belief is one 231 00:11:37,907 --> 00:11:40,467 Speaker 3: of the things we've talked about long and hard. Sometimes 232 00:11:41,187 --> 00:11:43,187 Speaker 3: our boys are playing in front of their family and 233 00:11:43,227 --> 00:11:45,867 Speaker 3: the fans, and they just don't want to let them down. 234 00:11:46,067 --> 00:11:48,747 Speaker 3: And that takes a lot out of the young boys 235 00:11:48,747 --> 00:11:50,187 Speaker 3: as well, when you're at home and the pressure of 236 00:11:50,267 --> 00:11:52,067 Speaker 3: them trying to win in front of their home crowd. 237 00:11:52,107 --> 00:11:55,427 Speaker 3: Sometimes just going away as is the relief of obviously 238 00:11:55,587 --> 00:11:57,427 Speaker 3: just living in a pretty nice hotel and the eating 239 00:11:57,467 --> 00:11:58,987 Speaker 3: different food. So we've just got to get all that 240 00:11:59,067 --> 00:12:02,547 Speaker 3: ballots right, and I don't believe it's it is going 241 00:12:02,587 --> 00:12:05,147 Speaker 3: to be a massively hard thing to change around more 242 00:12:05,227 --> 00:12:07,027 Speaker 3: experience to get, the more the boys are going to 243 00:12:07,107 --> 00:12:10,347 Speaker 3: understand how what professional raby is about. So try and 244 00:12:10,427 --> 00:12:12,027 Speaker 3: get one of those and then hopefully it just do 245 00:12:12,107 --> 00:12:13,947 Speaker 3: there's a flow on effect of the belief around that. 246 00:12:14,267 --> 00:12:17,467 Speaker 2: Indeed, in terms of your coaching journey, it wasn't just 247 00:12:17,507 --> 00:12:19,467 Speaker 2: from playing to coach. You had that decade of top 248 00:12:19,587 --> 00:12:23,187 Speaker 2: level refereeing in the middle. How helpful has that been 249 00:12:23,827 --> 00:12:25,467 Speaker 2: in your transition to coaching. 250 00:12:27,547 --> 00:12:31,227 Speaker 3: Massively, massively helpful, I think most of all. Look I 251 00:12:31,307 --> 00:12:34,227 Speaker 3: looked at going and coaching straight away from from playing. 252 00:12:34,707 --> 00:12:38,507 Speaker 3: I think referrings even though it's an amazing part of 253 00:12:38,587 --> 00:12:40,627 Speaker 3: the game and being part of it, but it's actually 254 00:12:40,627 --> 00:12:44,027 Speaker 3: an individual aspect of still our great game of rugby, 255 00:12:44,147 --> 00:12:47,467 Speaker 3: So it gave me a good understanding of myself, I 256 00:12:47,507 --> 00:12:49,707 Speaker 3: suppose more than anything. Just going from team to team 257 00:12:49,787 --> 00:12:52,707 Speaker 3: and the support you have around what you are about 258 00:12:52,747 --> 00:12:55,947 Speaker 3: as a team gave me a little different approach of 259 00:12:56,107 --> 00:12:58,787 Speaker 3: how to prepare and how to look after yourself more 260 00:12:58,867 --> 00:13:03,187 Speaker 3: than everyone else. So that twelve years of referring, as 261 00:13:03,227 --> 00:13:04,907 Speaker 3: we all know, it's not the easiest job in the world, 262 00:13:04,987 --> 00:13:07,347 Speaker 3: so you learn to live the ups and downs of 263 00:13:07,747 --> 00:13:12,427 Speaker 3: your performance. And I guess I still get shirty at 264 00:13:12,587 --> 00:13:15,227 Speaker 3: times with referees and their decisions, but I've got more 265 00:13:15,227 --> 00:13:17,187 Speaker 3: of an understanding of how hard it is, and it's 266 00:13:18,027 --> 00:13:20,307 Speaker 3: you know, it's not always the easiest job in the 267 00:13:20,347 --> 00:13:21,907 Speaker 3: worst it's not always the rest fault, so I try 268 00:13:21,947 --> 00:13:23,227 Speaker 3: and be a little bit balance to that. I'm not 269 00:13:23,267 --> 00:13:26,067 Speaker 3: I'm not fantastic at that, but it's just a passion 270 00:13:26,107 --> 00:13:31,547 Speaker 3: of it. So it's I've really enjoyed the opportunity just 271 00:13:31,627 --> 00:13:34,027 Speaker 3: to learn the refing stuff was still for me was 272 00:13:34,067 --> 00:13:37,507 Speaker 3: one of the highlights and of of been involved in 273 00:13:37,587 --> 00:13:37,827 Speaker 3: the game. 274 00:13:38,027 --> 00:13:41,547 Speaker 2: Yeah, a great journey mate player, referee and now moving 275 00:13:41,627 --> 00:13:43,507 Speaker 2: into our head coaching role with the Fiji and Drew 276 00:13:43,667 --> 00:13:46,067 Speaker 2: look really enjoyed your insight this afternoon, Glenn, thanks for 277 00:13:46,147 --> 00:13:48,107 Speaker 2: joining us. What does a what does a good performance 278 00:13:48,187 --> 00:13:50,347 Speaker 2: or what does a good result look like for for 279 00:13:50,467 --> 00:13:53,707 Speaker 2: Fiji this afternoon? Just finally, Oh, they. 280 00:13:53,627 --> 00:13:55,507 Speaker 3: Would definitely be abule to win. I think with the 281 00:13:55,707 --> 00:14:00,307 Speaker 3: changes the orblects are made. New team is always that pressure. 282 00:14:00,347 --> 00:14:04,227 Speaker 3: I suppose a razor making making the substitution or the 283 00:14:04,307 --> 00:14:07,227 Speaker 3: changes that he's made from the England series, I don't 284 00:14:07,267 --> 00:14:09,907 Speaker 3: think even though they won two series that could have 285 00:14:09,947 --> 00:14:13,027 Speaker 3: easily probably sloped just about lost both games, so there's 286 00:14:13,227 --> 00:14:15,187 Speaker 3: a bit of pressure on them. So you know, the 287 00:14:15,227 --> 00:14:16,987 Speaker 3: Fijian boys that were definitely out there to win. But 288 00:14:18,347 --> 00:14:20,787 Speaker 3: I think last time we played them was in Hamilton 289 00:14:20,907 --> 00:14:22,827 Speaker 3: and the result blew out a bit. But the gaming 290 00:14:23,067 --> 00:14:26,147 Speaker 3: in Dunedin was quite a close game, so I think 291 00:14:26,667 --> 00:14:28,787 Speaker 3: anything within ten points would be it would be an 292 00:14:29,027 --> 00:14:32,787 Speaker 3: amazing result. But yeah, I've got sever resource is always 293 00:14:32,787 --> 00:14:34,907 Speaker 3: the one that concerns me a little bit every time 294 00:14:34,947 --> 00:14:37,467 Speaker 3: he plays either the draw or Fiji needs up scoring 295 00:14:37,507 --> 00:14:39,667 Speaker 3: bloody trice of fun. So as long as they look 296 00:14:39,747 --> 00:14:41,947 Speaker 3: after our little Fijian buddy, we should be we should 297 00:14:41,947 --> 00:14:42,547 Speaker 3: be okay. 298 00:14:43,467 --> 00:14:45,587 Speaker 2: Amazing great to check Glenn, thanks for your time, mate 299 00:14:46,027 --> 00:14:47,187 Speaker 2: good Man, thanks many. 300 00:14:47,067 --> 00:14:47,467 Speaker 3: No, thank you. 301 00:14:47,627 --> 00:14:51,187 Speaker 2: That's Glenn Jackson, of course, our former top class player 302 00:14:51,707 --> 00:14:54,627 Speaker 2: a decade or more as a top class referee, now 303 00:14:55,107 --> 00:14:58,067 Speaker 2: a coach. 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