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Speaker 1: Turns out Carmela's pick for VPS and old mate of

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Speaker 1: China's will find out more with Peter Lewis shortly Barry

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Speaker 1: Soper on the week that was and Gavin Grays with

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Speaker 1: us out of the UK at seven past six. Now

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Speaker 1: Auckland's mayor has launched his biggest move on Auckland Transport

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Speaker 1: yet he wants to bring them back under council control.

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Speaker 1: AT was made independent from the council years ago to

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Speaker 1: try to take the politics out of transport, but now

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Speaker 1: the public just loads the agency, possibly even more. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk to Wayne Brain Wayne Brown Highwayne, Yeah, how'd the

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Speaker 1: boss of AT take this?

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Speaker 2: The chairs not a bit grumpy with me, but he'll

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Speaker 2: learn a liver that.

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Speaker 1: Why is the chair grumpy?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's asking that. I think they feel that I'm

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Speaker 2: kind of attacking them, but I'm not. Really. What I'm

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Speaker 2: doing is defending Auckland. Yeah, I'm here for the right

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Speaker 2: players of Auckland. Then to fix Orkland. That's what drives me.

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Speaker 1: Yeh, Look is this simple? I mean, is this just

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Speaker 1: a case of you just need your counsel to agree

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Speaker 1: ad he comes back under the politician's control or is

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Speaker 1: it more complicated than that.

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Speaker 2: Well, even just getting my councilors agree with took a

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Speaker 2: bit of work, but they've all agreed that that the CEOs.

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Speaker 2: I did amongst the five things I stood for, stop

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Speaker 2: wasting money. But number two is get back control of

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Speaker 2: the CEOs, because the only control we he is selecting

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Speaker 2: boarding him is and I'm only twenties of the votes

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Speaker 2: for that, and that just isn't enough control at all.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sick of being blamed for things I don't control.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just stat because that the mean there's

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Speaker 2: been a few embarrassments from iky Panucu and from Tara

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Speaker 2: Taki and from not so much from all. We've solved

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Speaker 2: water care and we've got ports of work into stop

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Speaker 2: being and not for profit and actually make some money.

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Speaker 2: So those ones are kind of solved, but the other

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Speaker 2: two needs something or other. We can as a council

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Speaker 2: get back more control of a of Ekey Peruca and

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Speaker 2: Tara Teki than we have and so get going with

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Speaker 2: that anyhow. And the chairs of those ones are not

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Speaker 2: a post at has had twelve years of complete independence

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Speaker 2: to the point of just almost we're a nuisance rather

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Speaker 2: than the owner. And they're listening, but not as much

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Speaker 2: as I'd like. But they were set up by Rodney

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Speaker 2: id and Stephen Jewish who wanted to say, oh, they

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Speaker 2: didn't like the idea of elected officials having any to

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Speaker 2: do it making policies about transport. The public think that

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Speaker 2: we're in charge and expect that we're in charge. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I've built roads, owned roads, bought roads, and

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Speaker 2: sold roads, and designed roads, so I know a lot

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Speaker 2: about it. Now I'm annoyed to find that the board

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Speaker 2: don't know as much about that sort of stuff of ideas.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I can't blame Stephen Joyce

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Speaker 1: and those guys for going down this path because you

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Speaker 1: would think that the experts would actually be half decent

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Speaker 1: to their jobs. And this has been the surprise of

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Speaker 1: this experiment. Isn't it that the experts are so bad

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Speaker 1: at the job.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me at all. Who well they followed

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Speaker 2: that coool aid from the institutive directors are having nice

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Speaker 2: boards of balanced racial and gender neutrality and all its stuff,

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Speaker 2: and most event um being accounts and lawyers. Somehow they

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Speaker 2: helps I had to step in to fix vector because

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Speaker 2: they did that transper because they did that Auckhan Hospital

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Speaker 2: because they did that. It doesn't work. You need to

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Speaker 2: have people who understand the business and foremost.

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Speaker 1: Now I mean do you reckon though it will necessarily

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Speaker 1: improve things, because for example, if you were comparing ourselves

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Speaker 1: with Wellington, by ourselves, I mean Auckland. In Wellington, the

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Speaker 1: transport there is controlled by the politicians, are still pretty rubbish.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be compared to Willing because mayor of Wellington

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Speaker 2: is the mayor of a suburb of Wellington, and there

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Speaker 2: are several mayors in Wellington, and there's regional councils and

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Speaker 2: there's all sorts of shambles. Auckland is completely different. Is

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Speaker 2: it's a regional government really? And I'm restoring the manner

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Speaker 2: of the mayoralties that was lost by the two predecessors.

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Speaker 1: No, not fair enough. I didn't get to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of it. So is it a simple decision for counsel

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Speaker 1: to make rebringing Auckland transport back under your control? Or

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Speaker 1: do you need the government's help?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I need the government's help with this. And do

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Speaker 2: they have to legislate, Yes, but that's not an awful amount.

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Speaker 2: They're going to have to legislate for quite a lot

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Speaker 2: of things that we've got untangled. I think you've had a.

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Speaker 1: Fight with Simeon Brown. Is he going to want to

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Speaker 1: help you?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've had a fight with sim Brown. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I get I'm pretty good. Where did you think we

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Speaker 2: had a fight.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, come on the way, you've been having

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Speaker 1: fights about about the bus linker of all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 2: None at all. Simon and I work very well together.

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Speaker 2: That's a beat up from the press.

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Speaker 1: Did you not pack a tantrum about losing the regional

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Speaker 1: fuel tax?

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Speaker 2: I didn't pack a tantrum. I simply pointed out that

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Speaker 2: that's their right to do that, but it leaves a

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Speaker 2: sort of money to do things. So we'll just do this, okay.

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Speaker 1: So I'll take you at your words. So Simeon's going

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Speaker 1: to help you on this.

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Speaker 2: One, Oh, I'm sure he will, you know, absolutely, he's

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Speaker 2: very much in support of this. I'm sure. The other

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Speaker 2: thing is that Auckland changed the government. You know, if

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Speaker 2: Aukland had voted like the rest of New Zealand, we

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Speaker 2: never love the government. But Auckland didn't. Auckland voted for

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Speaker 2: national and so they've got to keep looking after aucan

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Speaker 2: We looked after them. That's a good relationship. I've got

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Speaker 2: a good relationships. I mean I've got a very good

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Speaker 2: relationship with Bishop and with the Prime Minister. So no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: you're wrong here. We're going to fight.

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Speaker 1: Good luck of being able to do this. I think

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Speaker 1: we'll want to see you when score some points against

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Speaker 1: Auckland Transport. That's Wayne Brown, Auckland's mayor. For more from

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