1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Barry Sober, Senior Political Correspondence with US. Hey Barry, good afternoon, 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Heather Doss. He seemed to be taking this comment from 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Chris Luxon as it's intended, which is just a bit 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: of banterak. 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: You said in your editorial there are much more important 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: things to be talked true about, and I think you're 7 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 2: absolutely right that. You know, when I heard the story initially, 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: I thought, oh, somebody in the public service is leaking, 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: trying to embarrass the minister. If I was sitting in 10 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: the minister's chair I was writing a letter to my 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: counterpartner Australia, I certainly would have written it in English 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: and not in Maldy. And you know, I think that 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: was to be expected. So what all the brew hahas about, 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. But anyway, it's been sort of 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: built up into this government being out of step with 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: Maldi in some way. And I thought that quit from 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 2: Luxon in the House yesterday saying it pays to be 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: incredibly simple and clear and use English when you're writing 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: to Australians, and the rejoined it today by Alban Easy 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: that you know when you understood, If you understand, listen 21 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: to New Zealand. You have to understand that you might 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: need an interpreter sometimes. I mean, it's good natured banj 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: but you know, I think Paul Goldsmith was absolutely in 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: his right to do that. And there are more important 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: things to be talking about, and I noticed the mainstream 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 2: media hasn't been talking about it, and that is the 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: speech that was made in Parliament yesterday by Riewa Packer, 28 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: the co leader of the MALDI party. And another thing 29 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: that's probably more important to be talking about too here 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: that is Darlene Tanner. 31 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: She got her first question today. 32 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 3: She got her first question today. It was boring and 33 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: it was quite funny because the minister standing in for 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: Shane Jones happened to be Winston Peters. 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Now he was awfully polite to her. It gave her 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: the answer and I thought he could have made as 37 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: I'd remark, but he didn't. And Darlene tada. She asked 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: about three questions, no follow up from anybody else in 39 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: the house, and she sat down about oceans. Yes, that's right, 40 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: that's about effective as an independent MP can be. And 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 2: the Greens, of course, as we know, they'll be considering 42 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: it again, whether they'll be using the waker legislation. They'll 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: be considering that on September first. 44 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: So they give Karen Saw a hard time in parliament again. 45 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: They did, And look, I really admire Karent Sure. I 46 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: think you know she was brought up in a very 47 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: difficult circumstance. She's had all sorts of racial abuse about 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: her not being a maldi. I think she has one 49 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: thing and she's beaten her gums about it constantly. The 50 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: only thing that she's concerned about is the safety of children, 51 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: and I think everyone would empathize with that. And now 52 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: we see her on a tamariki that I've got to 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: report essentially now every quarter to the minister to make 54 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: sure things that have only been reported on once a 55 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: year don't happen. Sure faced, as you said, here a 56 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: barrage of questions in the house today, But she was 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: unflinching in a view that Arama arounga tamariki needs to 58 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: be more accountable. 59 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 4: Clearly things need to change. When a child is killed 60 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 4: every five weeks in this country, and so many more 61 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 4: are abused and neglected by those who are meant to 62 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: care for them, than a new approach is desperately needed. 63 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: By making ordering a Tomadique report every three months and 64 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 4: making these reports public it will give ordering the Timidiki 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 4: the focus it needs to ensure that it is delivering 66 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 4: on its core purpose keeping children and young people safe. 67 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: And on that note, you know, I was reading a 68 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: story in the online today that basically five men and 69 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: Nelson are facing illegal weapons charges. In fact, officers in 70 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: June that were serving a search warrant on a house 71 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: three loaded rifles leading up against a wall in a 72 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: bedroom next to a child's cot were found and all 73 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: of the weapons were loaded with round's chambered in and 74 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 2: they didn't have their safety switches on. You imagine that 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: right next to a cop with little children. 76 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: Pretty crazy people do some weird things, aren't you. Listen 77 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: this water plan that's been announced by Simmy and Brown, 78 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: how far does this go to fixing the funding concerns. 79 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: Well, it creates big loans, doesn't it for councils. And 80 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: what it does is by splitting off the taking apart 81 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: the three waters issue, and I think it had to 82 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: be taken apart, makes councils responsible for their own water supplies. 83 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: What it means is that councils that have been able 84 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: to afford in the past to look after water supply 85 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: like Auckland for example. They won't be impacted terribly on 86 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: this at all. They'll have to note how it come 87 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: up with more infrastructure. But what this does, is you 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: said Hither just before I came on that, what it 89 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: does it allows counsels to get money at a much 90 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: more cheaper rate. More but in the end, more and 91 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: cheaper is the key to this. In the end, the 92 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 2: debt is still there and who ends up paying the debt? 93 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: That's unavoidable though precisely well, we have to spend money 94 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: on war totally. 95 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: You're right, Barry, Thank you appreciate it's very sober, Senior 96 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: political correspondent. 97 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 98 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 3: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 99 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.