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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes,

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Speaker 1: Uniquely for you, I'm the huddle with me.

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Speaker 2: This evening, we have Trish Sharson of Sheerson Willis pr

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Speaker 2: And in studio with Stuart Nash, former Labor Police Minister.

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Speaker 1: Hello you too, Llo.

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Speaker 2: I love that that's what they've labeled you, former Labor

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Speaker 2: Police Minister instead of your current job. Anyway, it's nice

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Speaker 2: to have you here, Stu, and it's obviously nice to

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Speaker 2: have you here Trish. Trish, do you think the surcharged

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Speaker 2: ban is a good move?

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Speaker 3: I think the government is banking on this being good

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Speaker 3: retail politics. Excuse the pun. There's a lot of grumpiness

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Speaker 3: amongst people, and I know I'm one of them because

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Speaker 3: I love to use payWave, but the minute I go

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Speaker 3: and use payWave, there's an extra surcharge put on. I

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Speaker 3: think one of the problems for the government is, and

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Speaker 3: you hear it from these small businesses coming in tonight,

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Speaker 3: that they are increasingly seen as a government that's more

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Speaker 3: about consumers than for business. And they might think that's

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Speaker 3: a good thing, but from in terms of their course base,

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Speaker 3: a national government cannot afford to lose the business audience

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Speaker 3: big or small.

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Speaker 2: So do you think it's a political miscalculation.

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Speaker 3: I think they think they're on the right side of

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Speaker 3: the calculation. And I have to say I do think

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Speaker 3: that anything a searcharge. When I go and there's anything

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Speaker 3: over one or two percent, I think, actually this is

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Speaker 3: just building in an additional reveuge. Very Manu stream in Margin.

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Speaker 2: Are you still cross about the ticketmaster in the air

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Speaker 2: New Zealand because they can keep on doing it they're

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Speaker 2: unaffected by the band.

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Speaker 3: But isn't that the thing? As a consumer, there is

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Speaker 3: nothing worse than seeing here's the price, here's the price,

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Speaker 3: and then you get to the end and the price

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Speaker 3: has gone up by ten, twenty to thirty dollars because

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Speaker 3: of all these extra charges. I think that's really poor,

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Speaker 3: and I agree with you that needs to be addressed

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is good to you. I don't

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Speaker 2: think this is going to impress anybody else.

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Speaker 4: It's gone after the wrong people. They should be going

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Speaker 4: after the banks. The banks are the guys that put

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Speaker 4: the searcharge for the retailers got to pay. When I

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Speaker 4: was mister small business, which is nothing we did. We

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Speaker 4: had a good look at this and you know we're

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Speaker 4: paying about twice as much as they do in Australia,

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Speaker 4: about three times as much as they do in the UK.

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Speaker 4: Shane Jones, if he was doing this, he would go

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Speaker 4: after the banks. Now that is good politics, not going

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Speaker 4: after the retailers. But the guys that.

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Speaker 2: Are making it good politics. Those to you. But it

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Speaker 2: is the actual problem. I mean, it's a billion dollars

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Speaker 2: in costs every year. That's just in the interchange fee right.

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Speaker 2: There will be more on top of that in the

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Speaker 2: total merchant fee. So why not do it? This feels

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Speaker 2: to me like a rush.

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Speaker 4: Job, an absolute rush job. And I completely agree with Trish.

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Speaker 4: You know, this has got to be seen as as

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Speaker 4: a party that is business freely. You know this was

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Speaker 4: lux and trusts me Iran in New Zealand. I know

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Speaker 4: what I'm doing. He doesn't know what he's doing at all.

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Speaker 4: But going after retailers. Man, at this point in the

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Speaker 4: economic cycle, wrong play.

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Speaker 2: Now the point I know that you've you know, people

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Speaker 2: who are in government because you're sucking up that heart

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Speaker 2: just New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: First, at the moment.

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Speaker 2: I had heard, I had heard that this is unfortunately

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Speaker 2: a government that is lurching from week to week coming

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Speaker 2: up with announcements and the smacks of that is that

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Speaker 4: You know, I've said this time and time again. I

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Speaker 4: think there is a level of ineptitude on the ninth

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Speaker 4: floor for listeners who don't know that's the Prime Minister's

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Speaker 4: office that we haven't seen in a long, long term.

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Speaker 2: Well there hasn't been that long since. Just no, I

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Speaker 2: mad come on, come on, well if you think.

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Speaker 4: We would have seen this under Wayne Eagleson and John

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Speaker 4: this is really this is back to Tricia's point, this

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Speaker 4: is just bad politics if nothing else. At a point

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Speaker 4: in time when people are beginning to think, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 4: who will I vote for? Views are getting formed, political

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Speaker 4: decisions are being made, and this sort of thing is

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Speaker 4: just noise that I don't think the government needs to

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Speaker 3: Three quick points. Number one, Let's remember someone has to

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Speaker 3: pay for the system. Someone has to pay for the

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Speaker 3: system that hooks all of this up. So the government

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Speaker 3: has had a look at interchange fees as well, and

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Speaker 3: they're going after the front end and this is similar

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Speaker 3: to what's happened in Australia. Number two, just on a

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Speaker 3: higher level around the present government and the previous I've

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Speaker 3: got two two main issues. Number one, we are becoming

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Speaker 3: more and more short termism and reactionary. And number two

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Speaker 3: what we're seeing, And I would argue this is one

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Speaker 3: of those announcements today we are seeing the generation of

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Speaker 3: politicians who were helicopter parented are now in charge of

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Speaker 3: the country. Everyone is being helicopter parented. No one can

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Speaker 3: lose ever, you know, all our battles are forty or

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Speaker 3: you can't be paying too much.

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Speaker 2: For buttons while we go up the steps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And I think if I lift up to

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Speaker 3: that higher level, that is as a voter, that's my

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Speaker 3: biggest concern with governments, the previous one, your mates, Hue,

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Speaker 3: and also this current government.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but let's get back to the point. Go after

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Speaker 4: the banks. The banks are making literally billions of dollars

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Speaker 4: off bloody Kiwis, and this is another way they're wraughting

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Speaker 4: us completely and matterly. But the government's going after the retailers.

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Speaker 4: Bad politics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. It's another example of the government's

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Speaker 2: going after the Kiwis on this one instead of the

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Speaker 2: Aussie banks.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with new Zealand Southeby's International Realty. The ones

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Speaker 1: fun last results.

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Speaker 2: But you're back with the huddle Stewart Nash and Trishurson. Stu,

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Speaker 2: what do you make of the Prime Minister getting booed

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Speaker 2: at the netball Look?

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Speaker 4: No matter what you think of the guy, that's just

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Speaker 4: bad for when did Key we start booing politicians? I mean,

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Speaker 4: for goodness sake the guy. My view on this is

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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily like who the Prime Minister is at times,

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Speaker 4: but you've got to respect the position. The guy's there,

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Speaker 4: he's representing Ze and he's working really really hard. Like

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Speaker 4: I said, it doesn't matter where you like or not,

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Speaker 4: but booing a prime minister, come on, Key Wis you

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Speaker 4: can do better than that.

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Speaker 2: I agree Barry Soper reckons that netball crowds are just

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Speaker 2: left and working class and it's to be expected.

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Speaker 3: I heard I heard Barry lame to a netball game

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Speaker 3: and I thought, we need to book Barrier ticket to

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Speaker 3: the next netball game and send her off with a

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Speaker 3: big sign hello, I'm Barry so so, but the crowd

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Speaker 3: can identify it. A couple of things on this I

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Speaker 3: agree with Stu. I think this is really performed and

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Speaker 3: if you and I love the way the MC at

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Speaker 3: that event tried to bring it back to the sport

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Speaker 3: and say, hey, hey guys, come on, this is you know,

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Speaker 3: it's about the game. A couple of things. I think

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Speaker 3: this will be tough for the Nats at the stage

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Speaker 3: in the electoral cycle. I think it reflects the mood

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Speaker 3: music that is around at the moment people are feeling.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think at the moment it's not just

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Speaker 3: people not liking politicians. They're feeling so much in their

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Speaker 3: So that's fair enough. The other thing to think about

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Speaker 3: in this, I'd say this to you, Barry Soper, if

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Speaker 3: you're listening at home, the netball crowd. Isn't the Wellington

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Speaker 3: protest fringe to me? This is Middle New Zealand mums

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Speaker 3: in that big bell curve of voters that National needs. Yes,

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Speaker 3: they are women taking their girls predominantly to these games.

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Speaker 3: And there is a problem for National which they already

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Speaker 3: know about about the women's vote. So you know, you

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Speaker 3: can put aside the noise, but they need to hear

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Speaker 2: And if you are getting booed by women in west Aukland.

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Speaker 2: You've got a problem, haven't you.

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Speaker 4: You got to mess a problem. The Nats have always

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Speaker 4: had a problem, and Luxon and particular's have got a

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Speaker 4: problem with the woman vote. I don't know what they

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Speaker 4: point in time. But Tritius, right, there's a general there's

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Speaker 4: a general dissatisfaction with politicians. Right. There is no hero

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Speaker 4: is not John Key, Hipkins is not just Cinda when

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Speaker 4: she was really popular. There's no Helen Clark there. There's

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Speaker 4: no one who you can identify in any party and

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Speaker 4: say that is a future prime minister. Where we did

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Speaker 4: with John Key, we kind of did with Jasinda. No

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Speaker 4: one there. So people are, people are becoming more and

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Speaker 4: more disenfranchised, which just opens the you know, opens the

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Speaker 4: way for others potentially.

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Speaker 3: Well, and think about John I didn't you should ask

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Speaker 3: with short here, but you know, remember think about John

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Speaker 3: john Key. He was mobbed wherever he went, when he

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Speaker 3: I think this is pretty unusual.

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Speaker 2: I think it's unusual too. I mean, it is dead

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Speaker 2: of winter, and you know, worst recession in maybe thirty

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Speaker 2: to fifty years, but it's still.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a sign of times, right.

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Speaker 3: But also that's a great point to remember, Heather, this

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Speaker 3: politicians tend to gloss over that, and there's a lot

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Speaker 3: have seen some green shoots, but now they're frostbitten.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but let's be aware. Let's not make excuses for

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Speaker 4: what I consider to be really bad behavior. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 4: just a boy from the regions, a little bit out

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Speaker 4: of touch, but you know, you don't boo prime ministers

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Speaker 4: at sports games like this if you don't like them.

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Speaker 4: Just keep quiet. For God's saying.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I think you bang on. Now, did either of

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Speaker 2: you guys, I'm going to talk about gentle parenting in

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Speaker 2: a minute. Did either of you guys do the gentle

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Speaker 2: parenting with the kids?

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Speaker 3: What on earth is that gentle parenting?

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Speaker 2: You go, oh, Eggie, you had mummy in the face

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Speaker 2: or you must be having a really big emotion. Would

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Speaker 2: you like to talk to me about? Absolutely not, I

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Speaker 2: mean time, what is the problems?

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Speaker 3: The first rule with children is never negotiate with the rist.

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Speaker 3: And from the minute that child appears in the world,

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Speaker 3: they need to know who is in charge.

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Speaker 4: Look, it's a parent's job to teach them respect, right.

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Speaker 4: Guess Look, I've got four kids. Two of them are one,

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Speaker 4: twenty three, one twenty one. They are my friends. I've

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Speaker 4: the younger ones and the old ones, as it should be,

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Speaker 4: and they more from you know, they more from young

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Speaker 4: ones that you need to teach about life in two

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Speaker 4: people who can live their own life, and then they

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Speaker 4: become friends. This whole bullshit that you're talking about here

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Speaker 2: Place, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Ark. Can I give you an old fashioned view on

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Speaker 3: what the way to really help kids know how to

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Speaker 3: be a great human being. If parents focus on teaching

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Speaker 3: children how to sit at a dinner table and eat

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Speaker 3: it and interact with everyone around the table, that is

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Speaker 3: pretty much every life lesson you will need going forward.

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Speaker 3: So in our house it was always dinner time was

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Speaker 3: have great chat, and you have to whatever's put on

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Speaker 4: Would you be like, oh, come, so what you can't

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Speaker 4: same time.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely cannot.

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Speaker 4: You need to come out to our place. I completely

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Speaker 4: agree manners engaging, no cell phones, no TV. It's a

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Speaker 4: time when the family gathers one hundred percent agree, go

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Speaker 4: back to that were halfway.

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Speaker 3: I saw a parent recently. I loved it. This was

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Speaker 3: little girl, absolutely gorgeous, is probably about three or four.

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Speaker 3: She knew she had dad, absolutely on the ropes, and

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Speaker 3: she reaches out and takes it, snatches something off the

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Speaker 3: candy bar. You could see him. He actually went pale

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Speaker 3: because he knew the minute he approached her she was

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Speaker 3: going to just he.

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Speaker 2: Was tiptoeing around her little emotion, she was.

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Speaker 3: Going to take the alert level from amber to read,

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Speaker 3: which is exactly what she did. And so do you

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Speaker 3: know what he did? He went, Oh, we'll just have it.

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Speaker 4: You know who that knowing your audience. I doubt there's

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Speaker 4: anyone out there here to agree with this. What do

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Speaker 4: you call it? Wake parenting wouldn't took care of the

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Speaker 4: vast majority understand that parents are there for a reason.

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Speaker 4: They're they're there to teach their kids about right and wrong.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes I don't get it right, but more often not

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Speaker 4: they do. Gingle parent I.

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Speaker 2: Think you're speaking like a man from Hawks Bay. You

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Speaker 3: Here's a little plug for my kids, which were classic,

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Speaker 3: you know, Grayland grown up kids. They are absolutely top

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Speaker 3: human beings. They are great because they were not gentle,

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Speaker 3: because they were certainly not gentle parented.

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Speaker 2: Look, I've got to be honest. I did not expect

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Speaker 2: you just go for five minutes.

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Speaker 4: Well, here are you going to make sure you don't

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Speaker 4: gentle parent? I can't imagine bears being a gentle parent.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no.

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Speaker 3: Well, and if we if we keep gentle parenting kids,

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Speaker 3: we're going to end up with more governments like we've

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Speaker 3: just been complaining.

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Speaker 2: About exactly anyway I'm going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: It's lovely to have the pair of you in studio.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Stu Nash, and Tris Sharson.

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