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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon Squid Skoda News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: A very good afternoon. Do you welcome?

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Speaker 4: And Thursday show a long weekend awaits many of us.

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Speaker 4: How good, great dev your company is always Matt, Hey,

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Speaker 4: how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Thank you? Tyler? Hello everyone, I'm down in Wellington,

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Speaker 2: love it, very excited about cave and the bed Seas concert.

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Speaker 2: I'm going tomorrow night. This is a concert tonight. The

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Speaker 2: town is buzzing for the great man, one of the

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest human beings on on planet Earth.

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Speaker 2: So you know, not just as music, but if you

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Speaker 2: ever get a chance to read his writing, He's written

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Speaker 2: a couple of novels, but he also does this writing

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Speaker 2: online under the Red Hand Files. He's just the most smart,

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Speaker 2: brilliant you know, and he will just answer people. Write

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Speaker 2: a question on anything, and he'll answer it in the

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Speaker 2: most incredible philosophical way. He's just a great human being,

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Speaker 2: and he was a bad human being in his time. Yep,

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Speaker 2: he's been a loose unit. He's been a bit violent,

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Speaker 2: he's been a bit caustic and cynical. But as he's

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Speaker 2: he's done everything, he's experienced everything, and he has just

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Speaker 2: great wisdom and it's almost a religious experience for me

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Speaker 2: to go and see Neck Cave. I love him so much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a hell of a life he's lived,

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Speaker 4: absolutely one of the greatest. Very jealous of you, mate,

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Speaker 4: It's going to be a hell of a show.

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Speaker 2: I actually read this really interesting letter this morning that

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Speaker 2: people confuse him with Nicholas Cage because he's that Cave

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Speaker 2: some really difficult timestones. Who just doesn't tell him? He

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a great story. He didn't that Cage a

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Speaker 4: favor there. Hey, on to today's show. It is a

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Speaker 4: So Push Push, the iconic New Zealand bands that took

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Speaker 4: as Tripping. They are getting the band back together for

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Speaker 4: four shows this month. Of course, they were worldly successful

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Speaker 4: up with frontman and national treasure Mikey Havoc to talk

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great man, Mikey. And when Push Push

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Speaker 4: Yeah, brilliant band and looking forward to having Mikey Havoc

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Speaker 3: You would have seen this meta.

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Speaker 4: I met his global head of Safety and Tonia Davis.

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Speaker 4: She argued that a full band won't stop young people

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Speaker 4: But right now, talking about fascinating new research out of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you think of boo can see, you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, text, let's just come through. Get a guys.

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Speaker 4: I'm having a Kiwi fruit every day, just like you, Matts.

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Speaker 4: That's a good start. Mass up on the kiwi fruit.

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Speaker 2: it in trump because that's the thing. The things that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh undred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 4: to cool. Love to hear from you. How hard is

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have a chat with Beal Cancer New Zealand

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Speaker 4: Patient Support Team lead Victoria Thompson and get her thoughts

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: That'd be very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 4: So researchers are investigating to discover why cases of bow

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Speaker 4: cancer are rapidly increasing in under fifty year olds. To

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Speaker 4: we are joined by Bell Cancer New Zealand Patient Lead

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Speaker 4: Support Victoria Thompson. Victoria, very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 8: That's known there boys. How are you going up there

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Speaker 2: Very good? Except I'm in Wellington, So half of us Auckland,

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Speaker 5: Oh Wang and Nuie, Oh what a world we live in?

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Speaker 2: Freeway conversation going out to the whole nation. Are under

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Speaker 8: Yes, unfortunately they are. We are following that international trend

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Speaker 8: It's actually our twenty thirties, forties and fifty year olds now.

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Speaker 2: And over what time frame has that graft tended upwards.

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Speaker 8: Recent research has showed it's probably kind of around twenty

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Speaker 2: And what do you think it is?

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Speaker 8: You know, I think there's there's kind of things I

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Speaker 8: So but it's also about how we're living. We're much

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, hence why the researchers are doing all that

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Speaker 4: on the on the ultra processed food victoria, is it

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Speaker 4: But do you think there's enough information out there for

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Speaker 8: I think it's really confusing for people. I mean, how

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Speaker 8: don't grow in nature. So there is we do need

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Speaker 8: it's really confusing for people, like really confusing. You know,

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Speaker 2: Now I'll just read a text you that's just come through.

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Speaker 6: Well, yes, a.

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Speaker 8: Lot of people are asking that. But this increase in

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Speaker 8: you know, the research out there is certainly not supporting that,

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Speaker 8: and particularly when you look back historically, this trend started

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Speaker 3: And yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 4: And what are the symptoms that people should look out for?

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Speaker 4: What are the warning signs that you probably should go

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, look really good. That one some of the

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Speaker 8: that's probably the most important is anything that's not normal

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Speaker 8: So knowing what's normal for you, for example, you go

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Speaker 8: Does it smell different, does it look different, does it

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Speaker 8: come out different? Is it harder, is it softer? All

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Speaker 11: A chat with your GP.

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Speaker 8: Believe me, they talk about pooh regularly. Any sort of

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Speaker 12: Carry on.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, no, no, those are probably the two main ones.

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Speaker 8: The other ones are things like really bad pain and

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Speaker 4: Is facing Victoria, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 4: It is an important issue, but really appreciate your time

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Speaker 4: this afternoon.

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Speaker 8: You are more than welcome and enjoy yours.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: That is Victoria Thompson Bowcanson, New Zealand Patient Support Team Lead.

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Speaker 4: So we are taking your calls. I eight one hundred

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Speaker 4: the nutrition, ultra process foods. Do you generally find it

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Speaker 2: Love to hear from you boys. Don't take away my bacon.

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Speaker 2: I love the bacon. Don't take away the bacon. My

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Speaker 2: son was saying this to me yesterday. Dad, it's the bacon.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but I really don't want it to

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Speaker 12: So true?

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Speaker 4: Come on through I e one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 14: At my point, wastewater treatment plant is seen, it shut

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Speaker 15: We all know about the plant.

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Speaker 16: It's thirty years old and it's at all the.

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Speaker 3: Z B Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: To you, it's twenty nine past one. We're talking about

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Speaker 4: the increase in bow cancer cases for those under fifty.

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Speaker 4: But the question we'll put to you is how hard

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Speaker 2: Texas sys bollocks. Eat what you like, drink what you like.

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Speaker 2: It's the stress that kills you. I mean there is

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Speaker 2: more stressed over and you know, they've made themselves more

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Speaker 2: I blame social media for that. I have never once

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Speaker 3: Good on.

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Speaker 2: that is very true. Healthy food is cheap, boys, bag

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Speaker 2: of rice, sacked potatoes, a bit of chicken, canned fish,

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Speaker 2: much cheaper than junk food. Everyone's a victim. Now we

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Speaker 2: You're not a victim, You're a gluttony.

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Speaker 4: You get a guys making lunch whilst listening to your

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Speaker 4: great show. It's all about the food we eat, and

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Speaker 4: it is so simple to eat well. I am pan

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Speaker 2: It's definitely the vaccine, says this Texter. But you're never

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Speaker 2: But why do people that talk about the vaccine always

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Speaker 2: It's two that said what was that one before you?

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Speaker 2: You will never ask this question because you were a

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Speaker 5: Straight?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, proved you're wrong right there, And we'll keep reading

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Speaker 2: And I'm not I don't get any money from Big

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Speaker 2: Farmer if I'll tell you. If I Big Farmer start

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Speaker 4: Right taking your calls OZ one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 5: You've talked, said the headlines.

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Speaker 17: Maria man Or Kapakinghi and her former Party to Party

438
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Speaker 17: Mahdi general manager and co leader Raweri Waititi's wife, Kerry

439
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Speaker 17: Tamaheri Waititi joined in a hukka following her husband's speech

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Speaker 17: at the event. As Tamaheri Waititi returned to her side

441
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Speaker 17: of the poor Fitry Kappakingi reportedly said go back in today.

442
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Speaker 17: Springston Primary School in Canterbury has confirmed one of its students.

443
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Speaker 3: Died after being by car.

444
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Speaker 17: The child was struck by a vehicle on Leiston Road

445
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Speaker 17: in Springston. At around three thirty yesterday, the government says

446
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Speaker 17: no options are off the table for Chateau Tongaledo, following

447
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Speaker 17: a petition from Ruepe, who's mayor, calling for the building

448
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Speaker 17: to be done up so it can be used as

449
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Speaker 17: a hotel. Again, what does New Zealand do when the

450
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Speaker 17: world ruptures? You can see the full column at enzid

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Speaker 17: Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tanner Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Raylean. So we're talking about the

453
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Speaker 4: rise of bow cancer and under fifty year olds. There's

454
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Speaker 4: researchers in the UK right now looking through one hundred

455
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Speaker 4: years of bow cancer samples to try and figure out

456
00:22:46,133 --> 00:22:48,573
Speaker 4: a little bit more about why. But the heavy suspicion

457
00:22:48,733 --> 00:22:51,053
Speaker 4: is the rise of ultra process food over the last

458
00:22:51,333 --> 00:22:53,973
Speaker 4: twenty five to thirty years. So the question we've put

459
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Speaker 4: to you is how easy is it to eat healthy?

460
00:22:57,173 --> 00:22:59,613
Speaker 4: Do you get confused by some of the packaged goods

461
00:22:59,653 --> 00:23:01,933
Speaker 4: in the supermarket about whether they're actually good for you?

462
00:23:02,013 --> 00:23:03,893
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

463
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Speaker 3: to call.

464
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Speaker 2: I wonder about that though, I think you know, people go, oh,

465
00:23:07,813 --> 00:23:10,533
Speaker 2: you get confus used by the packaging and such. But

466
00:23:11,413 --> 00:23:13,133
Speaker 2: you know, the food that's good for you doesn't really

467
00:23:13,173 --> 00:23:17,493
Speaker 2: have packaging. You can see it, right. So a potato

468
00:23:17,973 --> 00:23:20,653
Speaker 2: as a potato, yeah, And an apple is an apple.

469
00:23:20,773 --> 00:23:24,053
Speaker 2: A kiwi fruit is a kiwi fruit, right, So you

470
00:23:24,093 --> 00:23:27,173
Speaker 2: don't need to look at those and go there I'm

471
00:23:27,213 --> 00:23:29,253
Speaker 2: being tricked. You don't get tracked by a potato.

472
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Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. N is the text number as well.

473
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Speaker 2: Hi guys, I'm hardly a glutton, but recently diagnosed with diabetes,

474
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Speaker 2: and only yesterday I got text from doctors saying blood

475
00:23:39,293 --> 00:23:41,973
Speaker 2: tests suggest I'll have a heart attack within five years. Geez,

476
00:23:41,973 --> 00:23:45,213
Speaker 2: sorry to hear that. I'm still young, sixty two. So

477
00:23:45,533 --> 00:23:47,773
Speaker 2: you read a text from someone saying eat, drink whatever

478
00:23:47,853 --> 00:23:51,693
Speaker 2: you want as it's stress that kills not quite right, Yeah,

479
00:23:51,733 --> 00:23:55,213
Speaker 2: I mean the person that texts that through what bollocks.

480
00:23:55,253 --> 00:23:56,933
Speaker 2: Eat what you like, drink what you like. It's the

481
00:23:56,973 --> 00:23:59,533
Speaker 2: stress that kills you. Yeah. I mean when I said

482
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Speaker 2: that stress will kill you, I wasn't saying I wasn't

483
00:24:02,413 --> 00:24:04,733
Speaker 2: supporting that text that you can eat what you like

484
00:24:04,813 --> 00:24:06,413
Speaker 2: and drink you like. But I was just saying that

485
00:24:06,493 --> 00:24:10,733
Speaker 2: there is truth to the fact that that stress will

486
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Speaker 2: will have a bad effect on your Health's a lot

487
00:24:13,173 --> 00:24:16,533
Speaker 2: of reading stress. It's a great book by Max Dickens

488
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Speaker 2: called Actually, I'll just find what the name of the

489
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Speaker 2: book is, called The Expectation Effect. I think that's not

490
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Speaker 2: I'll look up who it is, but it's this whole

491
00:24:24,253 --> 00:24:26,373
Speaker 2: book I read recently. No, that's a different author anyway,

492
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Speaker 2: I find out. And it was just just talking about

493
00:24:29,773 --> 00:24:33,333
Speaker 2: the huge effects of stress and having you know, high

494
00:24:33,373 --> 00:24:36,453
Speaker 2: periods of cortisol running through your system, long periods, and

495
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Speaker 2: what the damage it does to you.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah, scary, are andy? How are you mate?

497
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Speaker 6: Good?

498
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Speaker 16: How are you guys doing today?

499
00:24:42,493 --> 00:24:45,573
Speaker 3: Very good? You're a food supplier, well, yeah, I.

500
00:24:45,613 --> 00:24:50,253
Speaker 16: Supply some some products to supermarkets, et cetera. But I'd

501
00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:54,093
Speaker 16: just like to agree with Matt on that one. How

502
00:24:54,253 --> 00:24:57,693
Speaker 16: confusing can it be to know what's good for you?

503
00:24:58,373 --> 00:25:02,133
Speaker 16: If it comes in a packet, it probably isn't give

504
00:25:02,173 --> 00:25:05,093
Speaker 16: you an example a potato, like Matt said, or what

505
00:25:05,293 --> 00:25:10,133
Speaker 16: a pre meshed potato and a frozen bag in the freezer. Well,

506
00:25:10,973 --> 00:25:14,532
Speaker 16: I don't think anything's changed from back into our great grandparents' year.

507
00:25:14,613 --> 00:25:19,133
Speaker 16: Is good quality meat, homegrown vegetables, or fresh vegetables from

508
00:25:19,173 --> 00:25:22,893
Speaker 16: the supermarket. We all know that's good for us. But

509
00:25:24,013 --> 00:25:25,653
Speaker 16: one thing that I think a lot of people probably

510
00:25:25,653 --> 00:25:28,773
Speaker 16: wouldn't be aware of is you think you could buy

511
00:25:28,773 --> 00:25:30,333
Speaker 16: a bit of meat off the shelf and it's going

512
00:25:30,373 --> 00:25:32,413
Speaker 16: to be good for you. But lots of the meat

513
00:25:32,453 --> 00:25:38,532
Speaker 16: out there is fed on genetically modified grains, animals loaded

514
00:25:38,613 --> 00:25:42,292
Speaker 16: up with antibiotics to get them off thickness so they

515
00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:44,293
Speaker 16: can be chopped up and serve to you on the

516
00:25:45,053 --> 00:25:49,653
Speaker 16: shelves there. So I work for a meat company and

517
00:25:49,733 --> 00:25:52,453
Speaker 16: what we do is we feed all our animals nothing

518
00:25:52,533 --> 00:25:56,013
Speaker 16: but grass. If we give them antibiotics, we don't sell

519
00:25:56,053 --> 00:26:00,053
Speaker 16: them to you as food, and their hormone free as well.

520
00:26:00,253 --> 00:26:02,453
Speaker 16: And I think that's the way to go, isn't it.

521
00:26:03,453 --> 00:26:05,613
Speaker 4: Yeah, But look in my case, and people will come

522
00:26:05,693 --> 00:26:07,453
Speaker 4: at me and please do nine two nine too. If

523
00:26:07,453 --> 00:26:09,293
Speaker 4: you want to call me a late easy glutton, I'm

524
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Speaker 4: all for it. But for example bread, you know, for

525
00:26:11,853 --> 00:26:14,933
Speaker 4: example breads or we have raps quite a lot and

526
00:26:15,053 --> 00:26:17,253
Speaker 4: we buy the wraps. It says it's whole meal or

527
00:26:17,293 --> 00:26:19,373
Speaker 4: whole grain or whatever. It says low carb all the

528
00:26:19,453 --> 00:26:21,413
Speaker 4: rest of it. I like to think, you know, if

529
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Speaker 4: you're putting that on the packaging, it's got to be

530
00:26:23,773 --> 00:26:27,373
Speaker 4: somewhat better than most of the processed stuff out there. Yeah,

531
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Speaker 4: I know it's not as good as making a wrap myself.

532
00:26:29,413 --> 00:26:31,613
Speaker 4: But do I really have the time to sit down

533
00:26:31,693 --> 00:26:34,453
Speaker 4: there and knead the dough and figure out how to

534
00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:36,813
Speaker 4: make a rap before I put my bread and chicken

535
00:26:36,893 --> 00:26:37,093
Speaker 4: in there?

536
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Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't.

537
00:26:38,493 --> 00:26:40,653
Speaker 4: But my point is, you know, when you've got that

538
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Speaker 4: packaging that says low carb, whole grain healthy for you,

539
00:26:44,293 --> 00:26:46,693
Speaker 4: five stars, that's confusing as all hell for a lot

540
00:26:46,693 --> 00:26:49,573
Speaker 4: of people. They think that's that's just as healthy as

541
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Speaker 4: making it yourself.

542
00:26:51,373 --> 00:26:52,973
Speaker 16: Well is it confusing? Really?

543
00:26:53,053 --> 00:26:53,173
Speaker 6: Though?

544
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Speaker 16: If it says it's five stars and it's whole grain

545
00:26:56,093 --> 00:26:59,053
Speaker 16: and it's low carb, and I'd probably say it's good

546
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Speaker 16: for you. Now, yeah, you're eating fifteen. If you're eating

547
00:27:01,853 --> 00:27:05,573
Speaker 16: fifteen a day, it probably isn't good for you. But

548
00:27:05,693 --> 00:27:08,173
Speaker 16: I would suggest that if you're eating fifteen apples to day,

549
00:27:08,453 --> 00:27:09,253
Speaker 16: it's not good for you.

550
00:27:09,853 --> 00:27:10,533
Speaker 3: That's a good point.

551
00:27:11,453 --> 00:27:14,213
Speaker 16: If you're having a rap as part of your diet

552
00:27:14,413 --> 00:27:16,893
Speaker 16: once a week with the family and having one to

553
00:27:16,973 --> 00:27:20,093
Speaker 16: two raps per person and it's a low carb, whole

554
00:27:20,173 --> 00:27:23,133
Speaker 16: grain holemeal wrap, I would agree with the health rating

555
00:27:23,493 --> 00:27:25,973
Speaker 16: that it's okay or good for you to eat this

556
00:27:26,413 --> 00:27:28,933
Speaker 16: as part of a balanced diet, But if you're going

557
00:27:29,013 --> 00:27:31,292
Speaker 16: to live on them, it's a problem.

558
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Speaker 2: So yeah, But but I think as well, no one's

559
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:35,773
Speaker 2: ever going to have You don't have to have the

560
00:27:35,853 --> 00:27:38,013
Speaker 2: perfect diet. You just have to have a better diet,

561
00:27:38,453 --> 00:27:40,493
Speaker 2: you know, Like if you're having nothing but twinkies at

562
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Speaker 2: the far end of it, then you're going to going

563
00:27:42,573 --> 00:27:44,693
Speaker 2: to get yourself in a bit of trouble. But if

564
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Speaker 2: you're having a rap with some good stuff in it,

565
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Speaker 2: I don't think the rap is the problem. I think

566
00:27:48,253 --> 00:27:50,133
Speaker 2: you're probably doing all right. It's probably the breaded chicken

567
00:27:50,173 --> 00:27:51,213
Speaker 2: that's your problem there, Tyler.

568
00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:52,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and.

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Speaker 16: Even the breaded chicken. I mean, nothing wrong with a

570
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Speaker 16: bit of breaded chicken. If you're eating four kilos of

571
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Speaker 16: breaded chicken, then there's a problem. Like what we do

572
00:28:03,013 --> 00:28:04,653
Speaker 16: at home for me, I do all the cooking at

573
00:28:04,693 --> 00:28:07,693
Speaker 16: home as well. And when my partner and fat mate

574
00:28:07,733 --> 00:28:10,133
Speaker 16: go for me, what are we having for dinner? I'll

575
00:28:10,173 --> 00:28:13,693
Speaker 16: say protein and either vegetables or salad.

576
00:28:15,093 --> 00:28:19,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, make a good point. Well, yeah, it's a moderation.

577
00:28:19,693 --> 00:28:20,013
Speaker 3: I eat it.

578
00:28:20,013 --> 00:28:21,853
Speaker 4: I eat a truckload of cheese. I've got to be honest.

579
00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:25,373
Speaker 4: So that's probably where my my big belly is coming from.

580
00:28:25,693 --> 00:28:28,453
Speaker 4: But I think, hey, it's cheese. It's a pretty you know,

581
00:28:28,613 --> 00:28:31,253
Speaker 4: unprocessed product all around, a little bit processed.

582
00:28:31,333 --> 00:28:33,413
Speaker 2: Pretty process cheese is very processed.

583
00:28:34,413 --> 00:28:37,293
Speaker 3: Between my raps and I think I'm going healthy, and

584
00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:39,693
Speaker 3: then I add, you know, two kg a cheese in there.

585
00:28:39,733 --> 00:28:40,733
Speaker 3: It's probably wrong.

586
00:28:40,853 --> 00:28:42,893
Speaker 2: If you think cheese isn't processed, then that might be

587
00:28:42,973 --> 00:28:43,373
Speaker 2: the problem.

588
00:28:45,053 --> 00:28:48,053
Speaker 16: Look, the other night, guys go to the supermarket twelve

589
00:28:48,133 --> 00:28:51,733
Speaker 16: dollars two bits of tairakee, take them home, fry it

590
00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:55,253
Speaker 16: in the pan, meshed up some potatoes, made some homemade

591
00:28:55,333 --> 00:28:58,573
Speaker 16: fresh cakes. Made up fourteen fresh cakes out of twelve

592
00:28:58,653 --> 00:29:02,173
Speaker 16: dollars worth of beautiful New Zealand fresh tiikee. And the

593
00:29:02,293 --> 00:29:06,893
Speaker 16: ingredients were first potato, onion, and a few herbs. You

594
00:29:07,013 --> 00:29:09,933
Speaker 16: buy some fresh cakes and the open sections, there'll be

595
00:29:10,053 --> 00:29:11,933
Speaker 16: twenty five ingredients on that thing.

596
00:29:12,813 --> 00:29:15,573
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that sums it up, Andy quite right.

597
00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:17,893
Speaker 4: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

598
00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:21,573
Speaker 4: Call nine two nine to two is the text. Quick

599
00:29:21,613 --> 00:29:23,613
Speaker 4: takes here, Tyler. Sorry mate, of course you have the

600
00:29:23,653 --> 00:29:25,773
Speaker 4: time to eat properly. You only work four hours a day.

601
00:29:26,013 --> 00:29:29,573
Speaker 4: That just joking, mate, love you both and all serious.

602
00:29:29,653 --> 00:29:31,573
Speaker 4: Make time to have a better diet as it will

603
00:29:31,573 --> 00:29:33,213
Speaker 4: give you more tea time later in life.

604
00:29:33,573 --> 00:29:35,733
Speaker 2: Well, what I do get though, is someone that's worked

605
00:29:35,813 --> 00:29:38,253
Speaker 2: a full day and you talk about the trading diet,

606
00:29:38,613 --> 00:29:43,333
Speaker 2: which is basically a pie, a sig and an energy drink, right,

607
00:29:43,893 --> 00:29:46,773
Speaker 2: because they're tired and then and they're in the hurry

608
00:29:47,613 --> 00:29:50,173
Speaker 2: and they just don't you know, in the in the

609
00:29:50,213 --> 00:29:51,733
Speaker 2: back of your mind. You know, if you work with

610
00:29:51,853 --> 00:29:55,053
Speaker 2: if you're working a physical job, you may know that

611
00:29:55,213 --> 00:29:58,133
Speaker 2: it's it's you should be eating something different, but you're

612
00:29:58,253 --> 00:30:02,413
Speaker 2: just too shagged and you just time poor, right, it's it.

613
00:30:03,493 --> 00:30:03,613
Speaker 8: Uh.

614
00:30:03,973 --> 00:30:06,693
Speaker 2: And so I think that's and in the old days,

615
00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:09,413
Speaker 2: people will would the system was just set up that

616
00:30:09,453 --> 00:30:11,813
Speaker 2: you'd eat good. Right, you'd go home and people would

617
00:30:11,813 --> 00:30:15,653
Speaker 2: sit around the table and have a meal together or whatever,

618
00:30:15,853 --> 00:30:18,813
Speaker 2: and you know, have meat and and some vegetables, right exactly.

619
00:30:19,333 --> 00:30:21,653
Speaker 2: It's just not set up that way anymore. Families aren't

620
00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,973
Speaker 2: set up that way anymore. Yeah, Because let's be honest,

621
00:30:23,973 --> 00:30:25,453
Speaker 2: if you go home and you try and make a

622
00:30:25,533 --> 00:30:27,973
Speaker 2: healthy nutritious dinner. That's probably an hour of your time.

623
00:30:28,213 --> 00:30:31,053
Speaker 2: Takes me an hour anyway, And realistically, I mean I

624
00:30:31,173 --> 00:30:32,773
Speaker 2: do have an hour because I do only work four

625
00:30:32,813 --> 00:30:35,093
Speaker 2: hours a day. But for most people out there, ye know,

626
00:30:35,413 --> 00:30:37,253
Speaker 2: that's a good chunk of time to try and make

627
00:30:37,253 --> 00:30:39,893
Speaker 2: a nutritious meal. I think it's concerning that you think

628
00:30:39,933 --> 00:30:42,533
Speaker 2: what you're doing right now is work. The book I

629
00:30:42,613 --> 00:30:45,053
Speaker 2: was talking about was The Expectation of Effect, How Your

630
00:30:45,133 --> 00:30:48,613
Speaker 2: Mindset Can Change Your World by David Robinson. It's Robson.

631
00:30:49,053 --> 00:30:51,813
Speaker 2: It's just it's a fantastic book. But it just talks

632
00:30:51,853 --> 00:30:55,413
Speaker 2: about how what a massive effect on our lives the

633
00:30:55,453 --> 00:30:58,173
Speaker 2: amount of stress we take on has as well. You know,

634
00:30:58,333 --> 00:31:00,693
Speaker 2: just back to that text before about about stress being

635
00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:01,093
Speaker 2: bad for you.

636
00:31:01,213 --> 00:31:02,413
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got to be a big part of it

637
00:31:02,493 --> 00:31:05,253
Speaker 4: for sure. Right, got to play some messages, but taking

638
00:31:05,333 --> 00:31:07,413
Speaker 4: more of your calls. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

639
00:31:07,533 --> 00:31:10,693
Speaker 4: eighty loved thoughts about how easy or hard you think

640
00:31:10,773 --> 00:31:13,573
Speaker 4: it is to actually buy healthy food. It's a quarter

641
00:31:13,653 --> 00:31:14,013
Speaker 4: to two.

642
00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:20,573
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Mattiat and Tyner Adams Afternoons

643
00:31:20,773 --> 00:31:21,533
Speaker 1: with Skoda.

644
00:31:21,853 --> 00:31:24,413
Speaker 5: Can you crack the Scoda Code? News Talk say'd be

645
00:31:24,693 --> 00:31:25,333
Speaker 5: afternoon to you.

646
00:31:25,453 --> 00:31:28,013
Speaker 4: It is thirteen to two, and we've asked the question

647
00:31:28,133 --> 00:31:30,853
Speaker 4: how easy is it to eat healthy or to avoid

648
00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:31,933
Speaker 4: ultra processed foods.

649
00:31:32,733 --> 00:31:34,773
Speaker 2: It's pretty good if you you know, if you can

650
00:31:34,853 --> 00:31:38,333
Speaker 2: afford to you know, I go them my food bag

651
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:42,733
Speaker 2: way and then you can select this. I mean, this

652
00:31:42,893 --> 00:31:45,253
Speaker 2: isn't you know. Not everyone can afford to do this, obviously,

653
00:31:45,653 --> 00:31:47,733
Speaker 2: but that's a good way to outsize it. Outsource it

654
00:31:47,813 --> 00:31:49,693
Speaker 2: because you come home and you've ordered, you make the

655
00:31:49,733 --> 00:31:53,213
Speaker 2: selection such that you get healthy food and the recipes

656
00:31:53,253 --> 00:31:54,693
Speaker 2: there to cook every night, so you don't have to

657
00:31:54,773 --> 00:31:56,573
Speaker 2: think yep, because I think a lot of it when

658
00:31:56,573 --> 00:31:58,653
Speaker 2: you're shagged after work. It's just having to come up

659
00:31:58,693 --> 00:32:01,013
Speaker 2: with the solution for dinner every night. What are we

660
00:32:01,093 --> 00:32:03,813
Speaker 2: going to eat? And the processed food is just the

661
00:32:03,893 --> 00:32:07,093
Speaker 2: instant solution. It's done right or ordering in food or

662
00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:10,373
Speaker 2: whatever it is. But the you know, with with those

663
00:32:10,453 --> 00:32:14,453
Speaker 2: pre pre organized meals, put them together. You know you've

664
00:32:14,493 --> 00:32:16,693
Speaker 2: selected one you're gonna have. You have the vig, you're

665
00:32:16,693 --> 00:32:17,333
Speaker 2: gonna have the meat.

666
00:32:17,413 --> 00:32:19,813
Speaker 4: It's good to go, so right. I mean that's what

667
00:32:19,973 --> 00:32:21,733
Speaker 4: gets me, and I think it gets a lot of people.

668
00:32:21,893 --> 00:32:24,453
Speaker 4: Is we do the grocery shopping with a hassan a

669
00:32:24,493 --> 00:32:27,853
Speaker 4: raw and buy all this beautiful New Zealand lamb and

670
00:32:27,973 --> 00:32:30,373
Speaker 4: New Zealand chicken and all this fruit and veg. But

671
00:32:30,453 --> 00:32:32,413
Speaker 4: then you get into the week and we're both shagged,

672
00:32:32,453 --> 00:32:33,733
Speaker 4: and I get home and say, I can't we bother

673
00:32:33,813 --> 00:32:35,733
Speaker 4: with us? Just whip out the bread of chicken and

674
00:32:35,813 --> 00:32:36,093
Speaker 4: let's go.

675
00:32:38,093 --> 00:32:39,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you're throwing out a bunch of viage

676
00:32:39,773 --> 00:32:42,773
Speaker 2: at the into the week out of your veggie crisper,

677
00:32:42,813 --> 00:32:45,413
Speaker 2: aren't you Exactly. That's the most depressing thing when you

678
00:32:45,493 --> 00:32:48,053
Speaker 2: had the best intentions and then it's all being thrown

679
00:32:48,093 --> 00:32:51,293
Speaker 2: out because you haven't used that and you've spent more

680
00:32:51,373 --> 00:32:54,733
Speaker 2: money on crap. Right, Yeah, that can actually happen. But

681
00:32:54,933 --> 00:32:56,813
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people are texting through and saying,

682
00:32:56,933 --> 00:32:59,533
Speaker 2: you know, New Zealand beef and lamb is very you know,

683
00:32:59,613 --> 00:33:00,533
Speaker 2: it's the best in the world.

684
00:33:00,693 --> 00:33:00,853
Speaker 5: Yep.

685
00:33:01,013 --> 00:33:03,533
Speaker 2: You know, if you're going to get anything that's that's

686
00:33:03,613 --> 00:33:06,413
Speaker 2: healthy and natural, it's just New Zealand beef and lamb.

687
00:33:06,493 --> 00:33:14,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, grass feed beautiful. Darren, How are you mate now

688
00:33:14,213 --> 00:33:16,013
Speaker 4: keen to carry?

689
00:33:16,493 --> 00:33:16,653
Speaker 6: Yeah?

690
00:33:16,933 --> 00:33:18,653
Speaker 11: No, I've just got a couple of points to add,

691
00:33:18,813 --> 00:33:21,693
Speaker 11: I guess with the topic you've got here, it's quite

692
00:33:21,773 --> 00:33:24,533
Speaker 11: close to me. I've just been diagnosed with the cancer

693
00:33:24,653 --> 00:33:30,253
Speaker 11: at the start of December last year, and I would just,

694
00:33:30,533 --> 00:33:33,053
Speaker 11: I guess like to just share my thoughts on the

695
00:33:33,133 --> 00:33:38,053
Speaker 11: diet thing and the relations to that. I mean, I've

696
00:33:38,493 --> 00:33:41,293
Speaker 11: come from a farming background and always known how to

697
00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:45,333
Speaker 11: cook a home cook meal and limited takeaways, and always

698
00:33:46,093 --> 00:33:48,573
Speaker 11: was pretty good at school and knew what processed foods

699
00:33:48,573 --> 00:33:52,373
Speaker 11: were about and tried to, you know, keep a healthy diet,

700
00:33:52,573 --> 00:33:55,373
Speaker 11: ate plenty of fresh VG's home kill meat and.

701
00:33:55,413 --> 00:34:03,653
Speaker 4: That I mean really sorry to hear that you've been diagnosed, Darren,

702
00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:07,333
Speaker 4: but you know, for a lot of people listening out

703
00:34:07,373 --> 00:34:10,453
Speaker 4: there though in look unfortunately, as you say, there's some

704
00:34:10,573 --> 00:34:16,093
Speaker 4: other factors involved here, but the ultra process element is,

705
00:34:16,693 --> 00:34:20,773
Speaker 4: you know, scientists are getting closer and closer to narrowing

706
00:34:20,853 --> 00:34:23,933
Speaker 4: that down as a big suspicion for many people, not everybody.

707
00:34:25,053 --> 00:34:27,453
Speaker 11: Yeah, my father died of it when he was seventy two,

708
00:34:28,693 --> 00:34:31,493
Speaker 11: and I get that. A lot of the specialists been

709
00:34:31,893 --> 00:34:35,293
Speaker 11: talking too lately have said that it is a favorit

710
00:34:35,373 --> 00:34:38,413
Speaker 11: of genetics and also a bit of bad luck. And

711
00:34:39,853 --> 00:34:42,772
Speaker 11: I guess yeah, I mean there's a lot of things

712
00:34:42,853 --> 00:34:46,893
Speaker 11: around today that aren't around, weren't around years twenty five

713
00:34:47,013 --> 00:34:49,773
Speaker 11: years ago or whatever. And I guess there's an air

714
00:34:49,853 --> 00:34:52,933
Speaker 11: quality thing, like there's more cars and more exhausts around.

715
00:34:54,453 --> 00:34:59,013
Speaker 11: Things are easier to like, you know, I don't know,

716
00:34:59,173 --> 00:35:01,973
Speaker 11: just the life general lifestyle things may definitely have an

717
00:35:02,013 --> 00:35:02,613
Speaker 11: effect on it.

718
00:35:03,053 --> 00:35:03,893
Speaker 6: I would agree with that.

719
00:35:04,253 --> 00:35:08,453
Speaker 2: But yeah, as you say it, I mean, and that

720
00:35:08,533 --> 00:35:10,893
Speaker 2: there's so much meaning and what you're saying there genetics

721
00:35:11,133 --> 00:35:13,013
Speaker 2: and luck, and I guess there is luck in the

722
00:35:13,093 --> 00:35:15,893
Speaker 2: generics part of it as as well. And that's that's

723
00:35:16,893 --> 00:35:18,933
Speaker 2: a hard thing for people to get their heads around,

724
00:35:19,133 --> 00:35:21,773
Speaker 2: isn't it that these things can happen to someone like

725
00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:24,053
Speaker 2: you that has done all the all the right things.

726
00:35:24,813 --> 00:35:27,813
Speaker 11: Yeah, tried to live healthy. I mean, I'm fifty four,

727
00:35:28,853 --> 00:35:31,933
Speaker 11: I'm not exactly super young. There's your way younger people

728
00:35:32,013 --> 00:35:35,093
Speaker 11: than me that I've been reading about since I've been

729
00:35:35,253 --> 00:35:39,933
Speaker 11: involved with this that that are worse worse off, like

730
00:35:40,093 --> 00:35:44,693
Speaker 11: for their agents and more. Yeah, it's hard hard to explain,

731
00:35:46,293 --> 00:35:48,652
Speaker 11: but yeah, that's that's kind of what I've well, I've

732
00:35:48,693 --> 00:35:52,013
Speaker 11: got to say on that on the topic, You've got no.

733
00:35:52,133 --> 00:35:53,933
Speaker 4: Good on your Darren, thanks for giving us a buzz

734
00:35:53,973 --> 00:35:56,413
Speaker 4: and all the very best for whats ahead of you, mate?

735
00:35:57,053 --> 00:35:57,212
Speaker 6: Right?

736
00:35:57,293 --> 00:36:00,133
Speaker 4: It is eight minutes to two back very shortly. It

737
00:36:00,613 --> 00:36:03,172
Speaker 4: is one eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

738
00:36:03,693 --> 00:36:05,093
Speaker 4: You're listening to Matt and Tyler back.

739
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Speaker 5: In the mite.

740
00:36:06,253 --> 00:36:09,813
Speaker 1: Mattis Taylor Adams taking all calls on Oh, eight hundred

741
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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons

742
00:36:13,333 --> 00:36:14,253
Speaker 1: News Talks.

743
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Speaker 3: V News Talks EDB.

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00:36:17,533 --> 00:36:20,813
Speaker 2: We are talking about the increase in bow cancer symptoms

745
00:36:20,853 --> 00:36:25,053
Speaker 2: for under fifty. Researchers in the UK are investigating ancient

746
00:36:25,693 --> 00:36:28,413
Speaker 2: cases of bow cancer to try and figure it out.

747
00:36:28,453 --> 00:36:31,053
Speaker 2: But suspicion is resting on ultra processed food. So the

748
00:36:31,133 --> 00:36:32,613
Speaker 2: question we've got for you is how hard is it

749
00:36:32,733 --> 00:36:36,133
Speaker 2: to eat healthy? Plenty of texts coming through on nine

750
00:36:36,253 --> 00:36:40,732
Speaker 2: to nine to two. This one here from James's Guys.

751
00:36:40,813 --> 00:36:42,933
Speaker 2: Gut health is the key to being healthy. Look at

752
00:36:42,973 --> 00:36:45,773
Speaker 2: how much hormones are being used in chicken farming, or

753
00:36:45,773 --> 00:36:49,733
Speaker 2: the amount of chemicals being sprayed on some veggies, or

754
00:36:49,853 --> 00:36:53,293
Speaker 2: even the fact flower is bleached to have an attractive appearance.

755
00:36:53,373 --> 00:36:55,893
Speaker 2: These are things we can't handle as humans from James

756
00:36:56,533 --> 00:37:00,093
Speaker 2: and Jackie says beef and lamb are not fed with

757
00:37:00,213 --> 00:37:04,333
Speaker 2: genetically modified grains as has been suggested. Getting a bunch

758
00:37:04,373 --> 00:37:08,093
Speaker 2: of people that are texting that through. It's just interesting,

759
00:37:08,333 --> 00:37:10,812
Speaker 2: you know, think about what Darren just said there. That's

760
00:37:11,253 --> 00:37:14,133
Speaker 2: you know, the genetic side of it, the hereditary aspect

761
00:37:14,493 --> 00:37:16,733
Speaker 2: of it, and the luck side of it. You can

762
00:37:16,773 --> 00:37:20,973
Speaker 2: do everything right, but I guess there's no guarantees, but

763
00:37:21,373 --> 00:37:25,493
Speaker 2: eating healthily and non processed foods it gives you a

764
00:37:25,533 --> 00:37:26,093
Speaker 2: better chance.

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00:37:26,253 --> 00:37:26,453
Speaker 11: Yeah.

766
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Speaker 2: But I mean if you're Darren and you have done

767
00:37:28,813 --> 00:37:30,573
Speaker 2: that your whole life and you still get bell cancer,

768
00:37:30,653 --> 00:37:32,013
Speaker 2: I mean, what can you say to that.

769
00:37:32,253 --> 00:37:34,652
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a cruel thing for many people out there. Right,

770
00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:36,493
Speaker 4: we are going to carry this song. Oh one hundred

771
00:37:36,493 --> 00:37:38,933
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call love

772
00:37:39,013 --> 00:37:41,533
Speaker 4: to hear your thoughts on how hard it is to

773
00:37:41,613 --> 00:37:44,652
Speaker 4: eat healthy. And of course we are playing Nick Cave

774
00:37:44,853 --> 00:37:49,413
Speaker 4: all afternoon, another beautiful song to play us into the news.

775
00:37:49,493 --> 00:37:50,973
Speaker 3: Stay right here, we'll be back soon.

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00:37:53,133 --> 00:37:53,813
Speaker 1: Into my.

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Speaker 5: Into my.

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Speaker 1: Loo, looking with you all afternoon. It's madd Heathen Taylor

779
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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoon SWI Skoda News Talk Set.

780
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Speaker 3: Be welcome back into the show six past two.

781
00:38:18,573 --> 00:38:21,693
Speaker 4: Great to have your company as always, and we're picking

782
00:38:21,773 --> 00:38:24,733
Speaker 4: back up on our discussion last hour. We have been

783
00:38:24,773 --> 00:38:27,453
Speaker 4: talking about the rise in bell cancer under fifty year olds.

784
00:38:27,493 --> 00:38:29,533
Speaker 4: This is on the back of scientists over in the UK.

785
00:38:30,173 --> 00:38:35,253
Speaker 4: They are working through one hundred years of tissue samples

786
00:38:35,693 --> 00:38:38,933
Speaker 4: of bow cancer patients to try and determine the exact

787
00:38:39,093 --> 00:38:42,293
Speaker 4: cause about why that rapid increase is coming through. But

788
00:38:42,413 --> 00:38:45,053
Speaker 4: there is high suspicion that the rise of ultra processed

789
00:38:45,093 --> 00:38:46,973
Speaker 4: food is a big part to planet. So the question

790
00:38:47,093 --> 00:38:49,093
Speaker 4: we've put to you is how hard is it to

791
00:38:49,253 --> 00:38:51,893
Speaker 4: eat healthy in twenty twenty six oh eight one hundred

792
00:38:51,893 --> 00:38:52,973
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighties and number to COO.

793
00:38:53,773 --> 00:38:56,053
Speaker 2: It's interesting a bunch of people are texting through and

794
00:38:56,893 --> 00:39:04,013
Speaker 2: saying that it is Wi Fi. Now you've got to

795
00:39:04,053 --> 00:39:07,493
Speaker 2: understand that Wi fi is an electromannetic radiation right just

796
00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:09,573
Speaker 2: at a low frequent Do you know what, as the

797
00:39:09,733 --> 00:39:15,293
Speaker 2: Burgess producer electric electromagnetic radiation, No, the sun. We're getting

798
00:39:15,493 --> 00:39:18,733
Speaker 2: absolutely pelted with it. The amount that comes out of

799
00:39:18,813 --> 00:39:21,853
Speaker 2: Wi fi or radio signals. If you're listening on the FM,

800
00:39:22,013 --> 00:39:25,732
Speaker 2: this is coming through electromagnetic radiation. Radio waves right. Yeah,

801
00:39:25,813 --> 00:39:29,773
Speaker 2: So if you're so, it's always been there. They've been everywhere.

802
00:39:30,173 --> 00:39:35,053
Speaker 2: But the chances of Wi Fi ever getting within any

803
00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:40,293
Speaker 2: kind of anywhere near approaching what the Sun's doing and

804
00:39:40,373 --> 00:39:42,373
Speaker 2: has been doing for an entire time human has been

805
00:39:42,413 --> 00:39:44,533
Speaker 2: around and the entire time this planet has been around,

806
00:39:45,253 --> 00:39:47,093
Speaker 2: it's not even on the it's not even on the scale.

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00:39:47,213 --> 00:39:49,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good, And the list of things I'm concerned

808
00:39:49,213 --> 00:39:51,773
Speaker 3: about Wi Fi signals are not up there at all.

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00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:55,493
Speaker 3: Nine two is the text. But let's have a chat

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Speaker 3: to Donna. How are you Donna?

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Speaker 8: Hello?

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00:39:58,373 --> 00:39:58,613
Speaker 5: Great?

813
00:39:58,693 --> 00:39:59,333
Speaker 10: How are you guys?

814
00:39:59,733 --> 00:40:01,172
Speaker 3: Very good? So can you hear your thoughts?

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00:40:02,653 --> 00:40:07,813
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's another complex topic. I think again it's Smallti

816
00:40:07,933 --> 00:40:10,652
Speaker 10: fatt and I will say that I think it's quite

817
00:40:10,733 --> 00:40:13,772
Speaker 10: difficult for people to find and navigate their way around

818
00:40:13,773 --> 00:40:17,373
Speaker 10: the supermarket. I myself, I mean, don't get me wrong.

819
00:40:17,453 --> 00:40:20,653
Speaker 10: We still have takeaways, but we do try when I

820
00:40:20,693 --> 00:40:22,533
Speaker 10: can be bothered. So if I'm doing a lamb or

821
00:40:22,573 --> 00:40:26,453
Speaker 10: something like that, do home cooking freezer, so then at

822
00:40:26,533 --> 00:40:28,493
Speaker 10: least I've got a meal in the fridge when we

823
00:40:28,533 --> 00:40:31,573
Speaker 10: can't be fagged, you know, to to cook orse something.

824
00:40:32,133 --> 00:40:34,693
Speaker 10: But there's a lot of things that I didn't know

825
00:40:34,813 --> 00:40:37,013
Speaker 10: to look out for, and it's kind of like it's

826
00:40:37,053 --> 00:40:40,212
Speaker 10: hidden everywhere. It's seed oils in your pastries, and they're

827
00:40:40,293 --> 00:40:41,093
Speaker 10: so bad for you.

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00:40:41,453 --> 00:40:42,413
Speaker 8: I mean, they're.

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Speaker 9: Actually toxic for your body.

830
00:40:43,853 --> 00:40:46,613
Speaker 10: It's if you pick a canister of salt, you know,

831
00:40:46,773 --> 00:40:49,093
Speaker 10: just the blue and white canister of salt. The second

832
00:40:49,253 --> 00:40:52,533
Speaker 10: ingredient ingredient on there is anti caking agents. So it's

833
00:40:52,613 --> 00:40:54,853
Speaker 10: kind of the things that are added to the food.

834
00:40:55,493 --> 00:40:56,893
Speaker 10: So I know, Tyler, when you say, you know, you

835
00:40:57,013 --> 00:40:59,732
Speaker 10: go and get some bread or something, and it may say,

836
00:41:00,893 --> 00:41:04,253
Speaker 10: you know, it's got exed amount of fiber or wheat

837
00:41:04,373 --> 00:41:07,133
Speaker 10: or what have you. It's what's added sometimes to the

838
00:41:07,533 --> 00:41:09,493
Speaker 10: food that makes it's a bit bad for your body.

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Speaker 2: You want the olive oil, is that right?

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00:41:13,213 --> 00:41:15,613
Speaker 10: Yeah, you do, And even then there's like varying degrees

841
00:41:15,693 --> 00:41:18,373
Speaker 10: of how good that is with the polyphenals and antioxidants.

842
00:41:18,413 --> 00:41:20,333
Speaker 10: I mean, you might get you know, olive oil at

843
00:41:20,413 --> 00:41:23,413
Speaker 10: some something on the shelf seats forever, and then to

844
00:41:23,533 --> 00:41:25,172
Speaker 10: make it worse, you go and cook it at high

845
00:41:25,333 --> 00:41:26,853
Speaker 10: temperature and that's just not.

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00:41:26,933 --> 00:41:27,293
Speaker 9: Good for you.

847
00:41:27,373 --> 00:41:29,373
Speaker 10: Whereas if you get a really good quality one use

848
00:41:29,453 --> 00:41:31,613
Speaker 10: less of it. But pour it over a salade, do

849
00:41:31,653 --> 00:41:31,813
Speaker 10: you know.

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Speaker 16: What I mean?

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00:41:32,173 --> 00:41:36,013
Speaker 10: There's so many, so many things I think that we

852
00:41:36,173 --> 00:41:39,133
Speaker 10: do without even realizing it, and it doesn't help when

853
00:41:39,213 --> 00:41:42,733
Speaker 10: your you know, things are getting laiden with petticides and

854
00:41:43,053 --> 00:41:46,893
Speaker 10: glacifate and sprays and things that it might look pretty,

855
00:41:47,013 --> 00:41:50,213
Speaker 10: but it may not have the ingredients and the nutrients

856
00:41:50,293 --> 00:41:52,333
Speaker 10: from the soil that we used to have one hundred

857
00:41:52,413 --> 00:41:55,453
Speaker 10: years ago. That we're kind of depleting our food without

858
00:41:55,493 --> 00:41:57,933
Speaker 10: even really being aware of it, if you get what

859
00:41:58,053 --> 00:42:01,293
Speaker 10: I mean. But yeah, I just I don't know. I

860
00:42:01,413 --> 00:42:05,213
Speaker 10: just find that it was education myself, because you know,

861
00:42:05,333 --> 00:42:08,573
Speaker 10: I've had a few health issues myself. The started reading

862
00:42:08,773 --> 00:42:12,213
Speaker 10: a lot. Just spoke to you guys ages ago in

863
00:42:12,293 --> 00:42:15,173
Speaker 10: regards to a book called The Great Cholesteromes. I remember

864
00:42:15,173 --> 00:42:17,773
Speaker 10: you had people ringing up about that, but it is

865
00:42:17,893 --> 00:42:22,053
Speaker 10: it's just so interesting when you find out about history

866
00:42:22,133 --> 00:42:25,573
Speaker 10: leaves clues, I think, and you know, there's always like

867
00:42:25,653 --> 00:42:27,933
Speaker 10: a wave of something and if you peel it back

868
00:42:28,013 --> 00:42:31,333
Speaker 10: and look at what was happening around the time, like

869
00:42:31,613 --> 00:42:35,013
Speaker 10: when we went onto the Jazzu side and Margarine low

870
00:42:35,133 --> 00:42:37,653
Speaker 10: fat diets and heart rates went up because everyone was

871
00:42:37,653 --> 00:42:39,973
Speaker 10: scared of avocado and eggs and all the good things

872
00:42:40,013 --> 00:42:41,053
Speaker 10: that you should be ingesting.

873
00:42:41,173 --> 00:42:41,293
Speaker 6: You know.

874
00:42:41,453 --> 00:42:44,893
Speaker 10: It's just yeah, I just find it quite interesting and

875
00:42:45,053 --> 00:42:48,733
Speaker 10: a very multi faceted sort of topic. But yeah, I

876
00:42:48,813 --> 00:42:51,253
Speaker 10: do think even if you change one thing out like

877
00:42:51,333 --> 00:42:55,573
Speaker 10: your salt, and then maybe you're oil and maybe cooked

878
00:42:55,653 --> 00:42:58,453
Speaker 10: with coconut oil or avocado oil that can handle a

879
00:42:58,533 --> 00:43:01,453
Speaker 10: bit of a higher heat and use those good things

880
00:43:01,653 --> 00:43:04,533
Speaker 10: in other ways. I think it because I do believe

881
00:43:04,653 --> 00:43:08,693
Speaker 10: that the food is definitely the thing that's causing a

882
00:43:08,733 --> 00:43:10,773
Speaker 10: lot of these cancer and you're not just bowel cancer,

883
00:43:10,893 --> 00:43:13,893
Speaker 10: but a lot of the cancers that are coming through,

884
00:43:14,013 --> 00:43:17,493
Speaker 10: and obviously, like you said before, stress.

885
00:43:17,813 --> 00:43:18,733
Speaker 6: It is not good.

886
00:43:20,733 --> 00:43:21,053
Speaker 16: Part of it.

887
00:43:21,373 --> 00:43:24,093
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I just think, I don't know,

888
00:43:24,173 --> 00:43:25,692
Speaker 10: it's kind of do you remember when we had all

889
00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:28,213
Speaker 10: the opsical equal that we used to pop into our

890
00:43:28,933 --> 00:43:31,293
Speaker 10: coffees and seat of sugar because sugar is bad and

891
00:43:31,413 --> 00:43:34,493
Speaker 10: I'm not saying sugar's great, but that was even worse,

892
00:43:34,733 --> 00:43:36,653
Speaker 10: and it was, you know, your body thought or what

893
00:43:36,733 --> 00:43:38,053
Speaker 10: the hell is this? I don't know what to do

894
00:43:38,173 --> 00:43:40,573
Speaker 10: with it? Where do I put this? It's not natural,

895
00:43:40,613 --> 00:43:43,893
Speaker 10: it shouldn't be in here, And you sort of get

896
00:43:43,973 --> 00:43:46,013
Speaker 10: that with. Like I say, the seed oils that are

897
00:43:46,053 --> 00:43:49,933
Speaker 10: extracted at high h they're not actually good for you,

898
00:43:50,173 --> 00:43:53,213
Speaker 10: and again your body doesn't like it. But just and

899
00:43:54,253 --> 00:43:58,053
Speaker 10: over time, if you keep doing you know, all of

900
00:43:58,093 --> 00:44:00,212
Speaker 10: that sort of stuff, it is going to make quite

901
00:44:00,253 --> 00:44:05,333
Speaker 10: a difference on you know, reflecting back on the food

902
00:44:05,373 --> 00:44:06,053
Speaker 10: that we're eating now.

903
00:44:07,053 --> 00:44:09,493
Speaker 2: It's when you go back to the seed oils and

904
00:44:09,533 --> 00:44:11,812
Speaker 2: the oils and olive oil and such. Because the extra

905
00:44:12,493 --> 00:44:15,613
Speaker 2: extra virgin olive oil just means it's the oil that

906
00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:19,013
Speaker 2: comes from the first mechanical extraction, so it is made

907
00:44:19,053 --> 00:44:22,732
Speaker 2: purely mechanically, no refining, no solvents. That's that's the point

908
00:44:22,773 --> 00:44:25,053
Speaker 2: of it. Where you want extra virgin, it's had less

909
00:44:25,213 --> 00:44:30,213
Speaker 2: and cold crest less less, you know processing. But you

910
00:44:30,293 --> 00:44:32,333
Speaker 2: also need way less of all these oils. You know,

911
00:44:32,933 --> 00:44:35,732
Speaker 2: if you frying some up in a pan. That's something

912
00:44:35,773 --> 00:44:38,253
Speaker 2: I've only just realized how little you need and how

913
00:44:38,333 --> 00:44:40,413
Speaker 2: much more that you end up putting in than you need.

914
00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:45,773
Speaker 2: You need the smallest amount of olive oil and a

915
00:44:45,893 --> 00:44:47,413
Speaker 2: pair to lubricate the pan.

916
00:44:48,413 --> 00:44:50,373
Speaker 10: Absolutely, so I mean, if you do change it out,

917
00:44:50,373 --> 00:44:53,733
Speaker 10: I know, the avocado oil for example, is expensive, you know,

918
00:44:53,853 --> 00:44:55,692
Speaker 10: so if you have that you have a little bit less,

919
00:44:55,773 --> 00:44:58,173
Speaker 10: but it was a really great arm on accountany what

920
00:44:58,213 --> 00:44:59,493
Speaker 10: it's called. But I do have a bottle in the

921
00:44:59,573 --> 00:45:02,053
Speaker 10: kitchen for you sparingly. I've even got a label on there.

922
00:45:02,093 --> 00:45:04,693
Speaker 10: Do not put with us for pouring over salads because

923
00:45:04,693 --> 00:45:06,853
Speaker 10: it was quite expensive, you know, so I don't can't

924
00:45:06,893 --> 00:45:09,653
Speaker 10: afford it all the time. But it was on country calendar,

925
00:45:09,893 --> 00:45:13,613
Speaker 10: and they were fastidious of putting you know, they were

926
00:45:13,733 --> 00:45:16,213
Speaker 10: putting all the nutrients back into the soil, so you

927
00:45:16,613 --> 00:45:18,973
Speaker 10: had everything and they're all the elements that you needed,

928
00:45:19,093 --> 00:45:22,973
Speaker 10: so you're not just kind of ingesting this oil out

929
00:45:23,013 --> 00:45:25,693
Speaker 10: of a bottle. You're actually getting loads of goodness from it.

930
00:45:25,933 --> 00:45:30,853
Speaker 10: So there's quality that real marketing comes in and isn't

931
00:45:30,893 --> 00:45:33,133
Speaker 10: it a brilliant job for someone to market something? And

932
00:45:33,173 --> 00:45:36,133
Speaker 10: we all go, yes, that sounds fantastic until we find

933
00:45:36,173 --> 00:45:38,333
Speaker 10: out years later that you know, it was actually really

934
00:45:38,373 --> 00:45:41,213
Speaker 10: crap and it's called something else. But it's all the

935
00:45:41,373 --> 00:45:44,653
Speaker 10: layering of bad stuff. So it's so much like the

936
00:45:44,693 --> 00:45:48,053
Speaker 10: guy said earlier about you know, antibiotics and all of

937
00:45:48,093 --> 00:45:52,013
Speaker 10: the different things. I think it comes down to, Yeah,

938
00:45:52,213 --> 00:45:54,373
Speaker 10: just you can walk around and think you've got loads

939
00:45:54,413 --> 00:45:56,533
Speaker 10: of goodness in your trolley. But then you have to ask,

940
00:45:56,853 --> 00:45:59,253
Speaker 10: you know, what soil was that grown and is it depleted?

941
00:46:00,333 --> 00:46:02,893
Speaker 10: Are you really getting all the nutrients you possibly could

942
00:46:02,893 --> 00:46:05,172
Speaker 10: be getting, you know? And that makes up for when

943
00:46:05,173 --> 00:46:06,893
Speaker 10: you want to go and have caves thing at the weekend.

944
00:46:07,013 --> 00:46:09,453
Speaker 10: You know you've eaten really well and you think, biggert,

945
00:46:09,493 --> 00:46:11,413
Speaker 10: I'm going to go and have you know, ppers and

946
00:46:11,493 --> 00:46:15,933
Speaker 10: a female But your body can handle it. It's been

947
00:46:16,053 --> 00:46:17,933
Speaker 10: looked after most of the time. But like I said,

948
00:46:17,933 --> 00:46:19,773
Speaker 10: I'm quite lazy. So when I'm really in the mood

949
00:46:19,813 --> 00:46:22,813
Speaker 10: for cooking, I try to do more and then freeze

950
00:46:22,853 --> 00:46:25,213
Speaker 10: meals so you know, I've got something and they're just

951
00:46:25,293 --> 00:46:27,893
Speaker 10: to pull out and have. So yeah, I don't know,

952
00:46:28,093 --> 00:46:29,252
Speaker 10: but we're not perfect.

953
00:46:28,933 --> 00:46:29,533
Speaker 15: By no means.

954
00:46:29,573 --> 00:46:32,133
Speaker 10: But I do get really annoyed when I walk around.

955
00:46:32,173 --> 00:46:34,493
Speaker 10: I'm picking up salt and I think I even knew

956
00:46:34,733 --> 00:46:38,653
Speaker 10: all these years the second ingredients anti caking agent, you know,

957
00:46:38,733 --> 00:46:40,573
Speaker 10: and some of it's not not nice.

958
00:46:40,453 --> 00:46:43,172
Speaker 3: It's just and now that was my point.

959
00:46:43,493 --> 00:46:44,813
Speaker 4: It was some of the things that I buy that

960
00:46:44,893 --> 00:46:47,973
Speaker 4: I think are healthy, like yogurt for example. You know,

961
00:46:48,093 --> 00:46:50,333
Speaker 4: we've I've gone a bit knee deep, probably too too

962
00:46:50,453 --> 00:46:53,253
Speaker 4: deep into cemented food. So I buy kefia, which is

963
00:46:53,333 --> 00:46:55,173
Speaker 4: just like a yogurt. They look on the bottle and

964
00:46:55,293 --> 00:46:58,253
Speaker 4: see about seventy ingredients. I think, I don't know if

965
00:46:58,333 --> 00:47:00,573
Speaker 4: this is actually as good for me as trying to

966
00:47:00,613 --> 00:47:01,053
Speaker 4: make out.

967
00:47:01,173 --> 00:47:03,173
Speaker 12: But yeah, yeah, yeah, and sugar.

968
00:47:03,253 --> 00:47:05,413
Speaker 10: But I think that's the key thing that you just

969
00:47:05,453 --> 00:47:07,693
Speaker 10: had on their tyler as a reading or learning and

970
00:47:07,813 --> 00:47:10,893
Speaker 10: knowing the ingredient's main and being able to read a label.

971
00:47:12,013 --> 00:47:14,333
Speaker 10: I find that really really important. And sometimes I think,

972
00:47:14,493 --> 00:47:16,933
Speaker 10: you know, when i'm super market, I'm sure they think

973
00:47:16,973 --> 00:47:19,173
Speaker 10: I'm stealing stuff because I'm in there so long reading

974
00:47:19,813 --> 00:47:20,773
Speaker 10: find the labels.

975
00:47:20,853 --> 00:47:21,772
Speaker 9: You know, you've got to put your.

976
00:47:21,653 --> 00:47:24,333
Speaker 10: Glasses on because I where they make those labels so tiny?

977
00:47:24,533 --> 00:47:27,333
Speaker 2: Squeezing stuff? Are you also squeezing stuff?

978
00:47:27,813 --> 00:47:30,013
Speaker 10: Squeeze everything? I see reading guys?

979
00:47:30,053 --> 00:47:33,773
Speaker 2: But do you do you take when you're buying you know, corn,

980
00:47:34,053 --> 00:47:36,812
Speaker 2: corn for the barbecue corn with the corn on the card,

981
00:47:36,893 --> 00:47:39,573
Speaker 2: with the do you peel the to you peel the

982
00:47:40,053 --> 00:47:40,573
Speaker 2: wrapping off?

983
00:47:41,413 --> 00:47:41,453
Speaker 11: No?

984
00:47:41,853 --> 00:47:45,013
Speaker 10: Never, never ever ever home and put it in the compost.

985
00:47:45,693 --> 00:47:48,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see people peeling it off. I'm like, what

986
00:47:48,133 --> 00:47:49,373
Speaker 2: are you what are you trying to do to you who.

987
00:47:51,013 --> 00:47:52,652
Speaker 10: You know what if it's if it's a bad one,

988
00:47:52,733 --> 00:47:54,093
Speaker 10: or just pick it at the birds love it. You

989
00:47:54,293 --> 00:47:56,133
Speaker 10: just ram it onto a stick and the birds coming

990
00:47:56,173 --> 00:47:57,373
Speaker 10: eat it and I just go to the next one.

991
00:47:57,453 --> 00:47:59,453
Speaker 10: So yeah, no problem, No, I can't be bothered.

992
00:47:59,253 --> 00:47:59,692
Speaker 8: With their crap.

993
00:48:00,533 --> 00:48:02,652
Speaker 3: Donna, you're onto it. Thank you very much for giving

994
00:48:02,733 --> 00:48:04,733
Speaker 3: us a buzz. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is

995
00:48:04,813 --> 00:48:06,453
Speaker 3: the number to call. Do you find it easy to

996
00:48:06,493 --> 00:48:07,013
Speaker 3: eat healthy?

997
00:48:07,213 --> 00:48:09,493
Speaker 4: Would you get a bit confused by the mixed messaging

998
00:48:09,653 --> 00:48:12,813
Speaker 4: from the supermarkets and nutrition experts love to hear from you?

999
00:48:13,093 --> 00:48:15,973
Speaker 4: It is sixteen past two, bag very shortly.

1000
00:48:17,893 --> 00:48:22,013
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons

1001
00:48:22,293 --> 00:48:25,333
Speaker 1: call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said.

1002
00:48:25,213 --> 00:48:25,293
Speaker 7: Be.

1003
00:48:27,493 --> 00:48:30,493
Speaker 4: Afternoon tune nineteen past two. How easy is it to

1004
00:48:30,653 --> 00:48:33,172
Speaker 4: eat healthy and avoid ultra processed foods? Oh eight hundred

1005
00:48:33,173 --> 00:48:34,413
Speaker 4: and eighteen eighty is the number to call.

1006
00:48:34,853 --> 00:48:37,413
Speaker 2: The sexer says, if you eat less of whatever you eat,

1007
00:48:37,493 --> 00:48:40,772
Speaker 2: you get less of the bad stuff. I mean there's

1008
00:48:40,813 --> 00:48:42,732
Speaker 2: some truth in that, right. So if you're if you're

1009
00:48:42,853 --> 00:48:46,613
Speaker 2: over eating, if you're over indulging on bad stuff, you

1010
00:48:46,733 --> 00:48:50,773
Speaker 2: get significantly more bad stuff than if you're just slightly

1011
00:48:50,813 --> 00:48:53,813
Speaker 2: indulging in bad stuff, And even if you're indulging in

1012
00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:55,813
Speaker 2: a lot of good stuff, if you're indulging a lot

1013
00:48:55,853 --> 00:48:58,333
Speaker 2: of good stuff. The processing of a huge amount of

1014
00:48:58,373 --> 00:49:00,692
Speaker 2: food is bad for you, right, Yeah, a lot of lots.

1015
00:49:00,773 --> 00:49:03,573
Speaker 2: So there's a lot to be said for smaller, smaller

1016
00:49:03,613 --> 00:49:06,933
Speaker 2: helpings of whatever you're eating, and your heart loves that

1017
00:49:07,013 --> 00:49:07,333
Speaker 2: as well.

1018
00:49:07,573 --> 00:49:10,172
Speaker 4: Yep, absolutely hard to do, though, I'm going to say

1019
00:49:10,173 --> 00:49:13,413
Speaker 4: I'm not. I don't eat lunch, So then I, for

1020
00:49:13,573 --> 00:49:15,413
Speaker 4: my I find myself in the trap of driving home

1021
00:49:15,453 --> 00:49:18,013
Speaker 4: at four o'clock. I'm massively hungry. I drive past the

1022
00:49:18,093 --> 00:49:22,333
Speaker 4: Kentucky fried chicken, smell it, and massively hungry and just

1023
00:49:22,413 --> 00:49:24,292
Speaker 4: sweeping and get myself some chicken.

1024
00:49:24,413 --> 00:49:26,053
Speaker 2: Well, well, why don't you eat some lunch? In mate?

1025
00:49:26,493 --> 00:49:29,453
Speaker 3: That's a good idea maybe I should do. How are

1026
00:49:29,493 --> 00:49:32,653
Speaker 3: you matey?

1027
00:49:32,813 --> 00:49:33,013
Speaker 5: Hello?

1028
00:49:34,773 --> 00:49:34,973
Speaker 7: Good?

1029
00:49:35,053 --> 00:49:38,252
Speaker 15: Oh, good stuff? How easy is it to eat clean?

1030
00:49:39,533 --> 00:49:42,333
Speaker 15: I believe once you wake up to the fact that

1031
00:49:44,813 --> 00:49:50,413
Speaker 15: you've you know, the food has been stripped and refortified.

1032
00:49:51,933 --> 00:49:55,533
Speaker 15: It's all the goodness has been stripped out of the food,

1033
00:49:55,613 --> 00:50:00,613
Speaker 15: and in the refortification. I believe that they make it

1034
00:50:00,893 --> 00:50:09,173
Speaker 15: totally totally addictive because food is engineered to be addictive.

1035
00:50:09,293 --> 00:50:12,253
Speaker 15: That's why it's hard for you to kick the habit.

1036
00:50:12,333 --> 00:50:12,533
Speaker 5: We know.

1037
00:50:13,373 --> 00:50:16,573
Speaker 15: I think it's quite fair to say that a lot

1038
00:50:16,613 --> 00:50:22,573
Speaker 15: of fast food chains their food is purposely made to

1039
00:50:22,613 --> 00:50:27,213
Speaker 15: be addictive. Once we can actually see the addiction for

1040
00:50:27,333 --> 00:50:29,772
Speaker 15: exactly what it is, and see the way that we've

1041
00:50:29,853 --> 00:50:36,733
Speaker 15: been deceived at the expense of our health, that the

1042
00:50:36,813 --> 00:50:40,493
Speaker 15: food industry really doesn't care about us. They just want

1043
00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:45,933
Speaker 15: their profits. So they've made us lovely addictive food, very

1044
00:50:46,013 --> 00:50:50,413
Speaker 15: easily palatable, salty and sweet, and we are addicted to it.

1045
00:50:50,893 --> 00:50:55,653
Speaker 15: And it's that deception that really got my goat that

1046
00:50:56,053 --> 00:51:00,212
Speaker 15: when I woke up to how they, you know, would

1047
00:51:00,213 --> 00:51:02,813
Speaker 15: put sugar and food that didn't need it, only only

1048
00:51:02,933 --> 00:51:06,413
Speaker 15: to make it more addictive and palatable. So that was

1049
00:51:06,493 --> 00:51:11,212
Speaker 15: the start of my press. I'm very lucky. I don't

1050
00:51:11,293 --> 00:51:16,973
Speaker 15: have a health concern. People who have been diagnosed with something,

1051
00:51:17,573 --> 00:51:20,333
Speaker 15: you know, if you if you ask them, you know,

1052
00:51:20,533 --> 00:51:24,212
Speaker 15: how easy is it for you to change your your

1053
00:51:24,373 --> 00:51:27,533
Speaker 15: diet now because of what you've been diagnosed with. Well,

1054
00:51:27,693 --> 00:51:30,173
Speaker 15: I think it's a lot easier because they've got a

1055
00:51:30,413 --> 00:51:35,692
Speaker 15: huge motivation to do so. So if you wake up

1056
00:51:35,733 --> 00:51:40,493
Speaker 15: to the addiction and and think, well, I want to

1057
00:51:41,133 --> 00:51:45,213
Speaker 15: mitigate every every you know, make sure that this doesn't

1058
00:51:45,293 --> 00:51:50,293
Speaker 15: happen to me, and use that as your focus. You're

1059
00:51:50,293 --> 00:51:53,013
Speaker 15: going to drive past KFC and go, oh sorry, drive

1060
00:51:53,093 --> 00:51:56,973
Speaker 15: past any US food out there and smell it and go,

1061
00:51:57,213 --> 00:51:59,453
Speaker 15: why on earth would I want to put that inside

1062
00:51:59,533 --> 00:52:04,813
Speaker 15: my body? Food that has food labels. The labels are

1063
00:52:04,853 --> 00:52:11,053
Speaker 15: warning labels. They're not they're they're made be confusing. That's

1064
00:52:11,133 --> 00:52:14,213
Speaker 15: why we all get confused what's healthy what's not, because

1065
00:52:14,253 --> 00:52:17,413
Speaker 15: they've designed it to be confusing. I know I sound

1066
00:52:17,493 --> 00:52:21,973
Speaker 15: like a conspiracy theorist, but the food is made to

1067
00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:31,013
Speaker 15: be addictive, highly hyper palatable. The food labeling is confusing.

1068
00:52:31,493 --> 00:52:36,013
Speaker 15: So although everything stacked against me until I either get

1069
00:52:36,133 --> 00:52:38,093
Speaker 15: diagnosed with something or see.

1070
00:52:37,973 --> 00:52:38,773
Speaker 7: It for what it is.

1071
00:52:38,933 --> 00:52:41,093
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think there's a lot of truth in that.

1072
00:52:41,213 --> 00:52:41,373
Speaker 16: Tim.

1073
00:52:41,413 --> 00:52:43,252
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your call.

1074
00:52:44,093 --> 00:52:47,213
Speaker 2: This is an interesting text here, Hi, guys, such a

1075
00:52:47,253 --> 00:52:49,533
Speaker 2: first world conversation. Please balance it off with the fact

1076
00:52:49,533 --> 00:52:52,733
Speaker 2: that processed food has resulted and billions of people not

1077
00:52:52,773 --> 00:52:56,533
Speaker 2: suffering malnutrition starvation. It truly is not as simple as

1078
00:52:56,613 --> 00:53:00,413
Speaker 2: all processed foods being bad versus starvation. That's from granted. Yeah,

1079
00:53:00,493 --> 00:53:03,813
Speaker 2: I mean that is absolutely true. And you know, I

1080
00:53:03,893 --> 00:53:05,653
Speaker 2: did that show with Stephen Pinker the other day and

1081
00:53:05,693 --> 00:53:08,733
Speaker 2: he talks about these stats and we don't ignore them.

1082
00:53:09,693 --> 00:53:13,493
Speaker 2: You know, we have abundance now and that is our problem,

1083
00:53:13,853 --> 00:53:19,973
Speaker 2: and abundance has replaced scarcity. But historically, famines were hugely common.

1084
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Speaker 2: In the twentieth century feminist so for most of human history,

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00:53:25,933 --> 00:53:29,173
Speaker 2: roughly ninety percent of the population lived in extreme poverty

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00:53:29,413 --> 00:53:31,653
Speaker 2: on the brink of starvation. There's ninety percent of the

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00:53:31,693 --> 00:53:36,653
Speaker 2: population today in twenty twenty six, ten percent of the

1088
00:53:36,693 --> 00:53:41,533
Speaker 2: global population now lives in living on the brink of starvation.

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00:53:42,173 --> 00:53:45,733
Speaker 2: So it has changed so massively, and it's absolutely right.

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00:53:45,813 --> 00:53:48,253
Speaker 2: Processed foods have a lot to do with that. The

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00:53:48,333 --> 00:53:51,413
Speaker 2: ability to get that amount of calories to people who

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00:53:51,533 --> 00:53:55,213
Speaker 2: are just trying to have something to eat as opposed

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00:53:55,253 --> 00:53:57,652
Speaker 2: to have something to eat that's also really really good

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00:53:57,693 --> 00:54:00,812
Speaker 2: for them has changed the world. I mean there's also

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00:54:01,253 --> 00:54:04,253
Speaker 2: you know, their developments and crops that can survive in

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00:54:04,333 --> 00:54:06,813
Speaker 2: different environments, and all that kind of stuff has all

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00:54:07,213 --> 00:54:10,253
Speaker 2: fed into it. But yeah, I mean it's not as

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00:54:10,413 --> 00:54:11,813
Speaker 2: simple as process food bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. Oh and one hundred eighty ten eighty

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00:54:14,533 --> 00:54:16,493
Speaker 3: is that number to call? Beg very surely. It's twenty

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Speaker 3: five past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

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00:54:24,453 --> 00:54:26,493
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon twenty eight past two. We're talking about how hard

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00:54:31,213 --> 00:54:33,533
Speaker 4: it is to actually buy healthy food with all the

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00:54:33,613 --> 00:54:34,773
Speaker 4: ultra processed around.

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Speaker 3: Bobby, how are you doing?

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00:54:37,973 --> 00:54:39,093
Speaker 18: Very hotsh how about yourself?

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00:54:40,093 --> 00:54:40,293
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1110
00:54:40,293 --> 00:54:42,693
Speaker 4: About the same, very humid up here in Auckland. But

1111
00:54:43,093 --> 00:54:44,893
Speaker 4: it's going to be a beautiful day tomorrow for white

1112
00:54:44,893 --> 00:54:45,692
Speaker 4: tonguey day I've heard.

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00:54:46,693 --> 00:54:49,333
Speaker 18: Well, I'm in the white Cutter and it's stifling. I'm

1114
00:54:49,413 --> 00:54:52,453
Speaker 18: just waiting to go into the pool. But what I'd

1115
00:54:52,533 --> 00:54:55,133
Speaker 18: like to say is I've spent too I don't know,

1116
00:54:55,133 --> 00:54:56,413
Speaker 18: about a year and a half or so on my

1117
00:54:56,493 --> 00:54:58,933
Speaker 18: bid waiting for a hip operation last year and a

1118
00:54:58,973 --> 00:55:00,813
Speaker 18: bit of the year before, and I researched a lot

1119
00:55:00,853 --> 00:55:03,933
Speaker 18: of things because I was bored. I researched baking, powdered.

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Speaker 15: Don't ask you why.

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Speaker 18: But when you look at the back of tackets of everything,

1122
00:55:07,413 --> 00:55:09,333
Speaker 18: it'll tell you the position, or it'll give you a

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Speaker 18: number that relates to something that's actually in the food,

1124
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Speaker 18: like that guy was talking about a little while ago.

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Speaker 18: So I researched baking powder and I had to read

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Speaker 18: through screeds and screeds and screeds and pages, but I

1127
00:55:18,853 --> 00:55:22,172
Speaker 18: kept going and in there is one sentence that says,

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Speaker 18: part of the composition of baking powder is actually a luminium.

1129
00:55:26,253 --> 00:55:28,652
Speaker 18: And it was like, you've got to be joking. I'm

1130
00:55:28,693 --> 00:55:30,933
Speaker 18: going to go and research aluminium and make sure it's aluminium,

1131
00:55:31,013 --> 00:55:33,013
Speaker 18: like I think it's aluminium. Man, it is aluminium like

1132
00:55:33,053 --> 00:55:36,093
Speaker 18: you've put around your windows. And so the lady that

1133
00:55:36,213 --> 00:55:39,813
Speaker 18: spoke a couple of people ago, she's writing in so

1134
00:55:39,933 --> 00:55:42,093
Speaker 18: far as all the editives that are in food, that

1135
00:55:42,133 --> 00:55:45,093
Speaker 18: you've got no idea what's there. It was only because

1136
00:55:45,093 --> 00:55:47,373
Speaker 18: I had the time and I was determined to read

1137
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Speaker 18: through and find out exactly what was in baking powder

1138
00:55:49,533 --> 00:55:52,252
Speaker 18: because I was bored that I found that one little

1139
00:55:52,333 --> 00:55:54,573
Speaker 18: sentence and hipped in there right in the middle somewhere

1140
00:55:54,613 --> 00:55:56,973
Speaker 18: that if you skimmed through you wouldn't see it. And

1141
00:55:57,093 --> 00:55:59,613
Speaker 18: I thought, gee, that's about cheeky buck. Can I tell

1142
00:55:59,653 --> 00:56:03,493
Speaker 18: you one more thing? During the war, the Last World War,

1143
00:56:03,533 --> 00:56:06,333
Speaker 18: I think it was they produced in America a lot

1144
00:56:06,373 --> 00:56:09,292
Speaker 18: of cotton because they were making the uniforms and socks

1145
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:11,213
Speaker 18: and all sorts of things that are cotton. When the

1146
00:56:11,253 --> 00:56:13,973
Speaker 18: war ended, they had all these cotton fields, plantations, everything,

1147
00:56:14,013 --> 00:56:15,893
Speaker 18: and they thought, oh my gosh, what are we going

1148
00:56:15,933 --> 00:56:18,293
Speaker 18: to do all this cotton? And some bright spark, this

1149
00:56:18,453 --> 00:56:20,573
Speaker 18: is another thing I read, by the way, some bright

1150
00:56:20,653 --> 00:56:26,373
Speaker 18: spark decided, oh, let's make oil. So they use chemicals.

1151
00:56:26,573 --> 00:56:28,973
Speaker 18: Chemicals we use because cotton seed doesn't have oil in it.

1152
00:56:29,693 --> 00:56:31,973
Speaker 18: They used chemicals and the cotton seeds or the cotton

1153
00:56:32,053 --> 00:56:34,933
Speaker 18: or whatever it was to actually make oil. When they

1154
00:56:34,973 --> 00:56:37,213
Speaker 18: made the oil and it was palatable, what they did

1155
00:56:37,373 --> 00:56:40,652
Speaker 18: was they spent two years advertising right throughout the whole

1156
00:56:40,693 --> 00:56:43,613
Speaker 18: of America pushing this cottonseed oil because they didn't want

1157
00:56:43,613 --> 00:56:44,973
Speaker 18: their crops to go to waste, and they made a

1158
00:56:45,053 --> 00:56:47,013
Speaker 18: way to make money out of it, so they pushed

1159
00:56:47,053 --> 00:56:48,453
Speaker 18: it and pushed it. And what they also did was

1160
00:56:48,573 --> 00:56:50,373
Speaker 18: lots of advertising. So it was better for you than

1161
00:56:50,413 --> 00:56:53,093
Speaker 18: butter and large and all those things. That's better for

1162
00:56:53,173 --> 00:56:55,973
Speaker 18: your hearsh all this oil. And they also gave away

1163
00:56:56,093 --> 00:56:59,293
Speaker 18: free cookbooks so that you could see the conversion. So

1164
00:56:59,373 --> 00:57:01,253
Speaker 18: if you normally use butter a large you could go, well,

1165
00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:02,933
Speaker 18: you use this much oil. So they pushed it so

1166
00:57:03,093 --> 00:57:06,093
Speaker 18: much and gave away free cookbooks. Of course, people took

1167
00:57:06,133 --> 00:57:07,773
Speaker 18: to cookbooks come and thought, oh this is free. Our

1168
00:57:07,853 --> 00:57:10,733
Speaker 18: user old this oil, and people in the world started

1169
00:57:10,813 --> 00:57:14,613
Speaker 18: using oil that was processed through chemicals that wasn't a

1170
00:57:14,733 --> 00:57:17,813
Speaker 18: natural oil that we're ingesting. Are we still ingested today?

1171
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Speaker 11: Yeah?

1172
00:57:18,413 --> 00:57:20,213
Speaker 3: I think a lot to do is marketing.

1173
00:57:20,293 --> 00:57:22,613
Speaker 4: You know, fifty years ago, I think a lot of

1174
00:57:22,653 --> 00:57:26,533
Speaker 4: food manufacturers were very clever with their marketing to make

1175
00:57:26,613 --> 00:57:29,173
Speaker 4: the illusion that it was better for you than you know,

1176
00:57:29,453 --> 00:57:31,013
Speaker 4: the whole food, so to speak.

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00:57:33,613 --> 00:57:34,573
Speaker 3: Right, we are going to.

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00:57:36,733 --> 00:57:38,733
Speaker 2: Just got a text coming through this baking sodl Laddy

1179
00:57:38,813 --> 00:57:42,293
Speaker 2: is full of crap. Okay, very good, Right, there's two

1180
00:57:42,373 --> 00:57:45,293
Speaker 2: sides of that argument. Yeah, absolutely, Thank you to everybody

1181
00:57:45,333 --> 00:57:48,533
Speaker 2: who called and text on that one. After the headlines,

1182
00:57:48,733 --> 00:57:51,093
Speaker 2: we do want to have a chat about Meta and

1183
00:57:51,373 --> 00:57:55,173
Speaker 2: the band for under sixteens for social media. The global

1184
00:57:55,213 --> 00:57:58,693
Speaker 2: head of Safety, Antigony Davis, is in the country. She's

1185
00:57:58,773 --> 00:58:00,173
Speaker 2: pushing back on that band.

1186
00:58:00,253 --> 00:58:02,413
Speaker 4: So we're going to talk about that after the headlines

1187
00:58:02,453 --> 00:58:04,733
Speaker 4: and take your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten,

1188
00:58:04,893 --> 00:58:06,373
Speaker 4: eighty bag very shortly.

1189
00:58:09,693 --> 00:58:12,053
Speaker 5: You've talk said be headlines.

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Speaker 17: With your Ride, New Zealand's number one taxi app. Download

1191
00:58:16,133 --> 00:58:21,133
Speaker 17: your Ride today. Politicians have spoken about unity at White Tangy,

1192
00:58:21,453 --> 00:58:25,813
Speaker 17: but drama continues with heckels echoing out during speeches. ACT

1193
00:58:25,893 --> 00:58:28,453
Speaker 17: leader David Seymour spoke about the idea of the Treaty

1194
00:58:28,493 --> 00:58:33,013
Speaker 17: Principal's Bill coming back stronger and the importance of equal rights,

1195
00:58:33,533 --> 00:58:35,853
Speaker 17: while ins at First leader Winston Peter says he did

1196
00:58:35,933 --> 00:58:38,973
Speaker 17: not come to White Toungy to be insulted when someone

1197
00:58:39,093 --> 00:58:44,013
Speaker 17: yelled during his speech. Israeli forces have bull dozed the

1198
00:58:44,133 --> 00:58:47,133
Speaker 17: graves of some Kiwi soldiers who died in World War

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Speaker 17: one and two. The section destroyed is understood to contain

1200
00:58:50,653 --> 00:58:54,653
Speaker 17: the graves of twenty New Zealand and two Rutongan soldiers.

1201
00:58:55,733 --> 00:58:59,293
Speaker 17: Wellington Waters CEO says he's never seen a wastewater treatment

1202
00:58:59,373 --> 00:59:04,253
Speaker 17: plant so severely damaged. Rain flooded the city's wastewater treatment plant,

1203
00:59:04,333 --> 00:59:07,293
Speaker 17: causing it to shut down. Millions of letters of sewage

1204
00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:11,893
Speaker 17: pouring into the ocean. School uniform costs are increasingly putting

1205
00:59:12,013 --> 00:59:16,613
Speaker 17: families under financial strain. Nowt at micro Finance Trust is

1206
00:59:16,733 --> 00:59:20,613
Speaker 17: urging schools to consider affordable options, with some uniforms costing

1207
00:59:20,693 --> 00:59:23,973
Speaker 17: up to five hundred dollars. Can the new All Blacks

1208
00:59:24,013 --> 00:59:26,893
Speaker 17: coach please bring a new style of play. You can

1209
00:59:26,933 --> 00:59:29,173
Speaker 17: see the full column at ENZ and Herald Premium. Now

1210
00:59:29,253 --> 00:59:31,133
Speaker 17: back to matt Eth and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, right, let's have a

1212
00:59:34,733 --> 00:59:38,213
Speaker 4: chat about this. So Meta's global head of Safety Antigony Davis.

1213
00:59:38,293 --> 00:59:41,293
Speaker 4: She has been in the country this week. She visited

1214
00:59:41,333 --> 00:59:44,693
Speaker 4: Auckland to push back on proposals to ban under sixteens

1215
00:59:44,733 --> 00:59:48,013
Speaker 4: from social media. We know Australia implemented that ban a

1216
00:59:48,093 --> 00:59:50,893
Speaker 4: few months ago. They are instead and she is instead

1217
00:59:51,013 --> 00:59:55,653
Speaker 4: urging a stronger legislative and regulatory alternative focused on parental

1218
00:59:55,733 --> 00:59:59,613
Speaker 4: control and safety tool. She was on with Mike Hosking

1219
00:59:59,773 --> 01:00:02,413
Speaker 4: this week and here's a little bit of what she

1220
01:00:02,533 --> 01:00:03,013
Speaker 4: had to say.

1221
01:00:03,453 --> 01:00:03,853
Speaker 2: I get it.

1222
01:00:04,133 --> 01:00:06,853
Speaker 19: I understand why they're concerned about it. I think the

1223
01:00:07,013 --> 01:00:09,093
Speaker 19: impetus to go to a band is that it provides

1224
01:00:09,133 --> 01:00:12,693
Speaker 19: a very neat and simple solution. But I think it's

1225
01:00:12,933 --> 01:00:15,613
Speaker 19: probably a little bit of a fool's air and in

1226
01:00:15,693 --> 01:00:18,733
Speaker 19: the sense that teens are going to move outside and

1227
01:00:18,853 --> 01:00:22,053
Speaker 19: around bands. You can't make a band for the entire Internet,

1228
01:00:22,173 --> 01:00:24,933
Speaker 19: So how do you find a way to really put

1229
01:00:24,973 --> 01:00:26,573
Speaker 19: in place what they're trying to do, which is to

1230
01:00:26,613 --> 01:00:29,293
Speaker 19: basically create friction? And this is where I think if

1231
01:00:29,333 --> 01:00:32,293
Speaker 19: you put parental approval, so anytime you download an app,

1232
01:00:32,533 --> 01:00:34,773
Speaker 19: a team goes to download an app, a parent has

1233
01:00:34,853 --> 01:00:37,253
Speaker 19: to say yes or no. In other words, you're starting

1234
01:00:37,333 --> 01:00:41,173
Speaker 19: with a restriction around entering and you're basically saying Okay,

1235
01:00:41,253 --> 01:00:43,533
Speaker 19: yes you can do this or no you can't. That's

1236
01:00:43,813 --> 01:00:45,773
Speaker 19: a better way to do that across.

1237
01:00:45,413 --> 01:00:46,213
Speaker 9: The entire Internet.

1238
01:00:46,453 --> 01:00:48,893
Speaker 14: So how come you could 'n argue that successfully to

1239
01:00:48,933 --> 01:00:49,573
Speaker 14: the Australians.

1240
01:00:49,813 --> 01:00:51,653
Speaker 3: I think Australia moved very quickly.

1241
01:00:51,773 --> 01:00:54,253
Speaker 19: They didn't have a chance to really consult with experts

1242
01:00:54,333 --> 01:00:56,253
Speaker 19: that came up during the time. I think if we'd

1243
01:00:56,373 --> 01:00:58,333
Speaker 19: had more time, we would have been in a better

1244
01:00:58,373 --> 01:00:59,493
Speaker 19: position to make that case.

1245
01:00:59,773 --> 01:01:02,573
Speaker 14: Do you have a solution in the dark corners of

1246
01:01:02,693 --> 01:01:06,173
Speaker 14: meta that could technically achieve what they want to do,

1247
01:01:06,333 --> 01:01:08,613
Speaker 14: but you just don't want to do it because this

1248
01:01:08,733 --> 01:01:10,413
Speaker 14: is all about you losing customer buzz?

1249
01:01:10,533 --> 01:01:10,693
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1250
01:01:10,853 --> 01:01:13,613
Speaker 19: No, I think it's actually really really hard to do

1251
01:01:14,533 --> 01:01:17,693
Speaker 19: what they are asking us to do. There's no simple

1252
01:01:17,733 --> 01:01:21,333
Speaker 19: way without asking everybody to provide some kind of an

1253
01:01:21,373 --> 01:01:26,253
Speaker 19: idea to to verify age. That means that every app

1254
01:01:26,333 --> 01:01:29,333
Speaker 19: and kids use about tenses about forty apps are then

1255
01:01:29,453 --> 01:01:32,413
Speaker 19: taking that information. This is again why we're going to

1256
01:01:32,493 --> 01:01:33,973
Speaker 19: this sort of multi layered approach.

1257
01:01:34,573 --> 01:01:39,413
Speaker 4: So that is Antigony Davis a head of safety at META,

1258
01:01:39,733 --> 01:01:42,613
Speaker 4: very high level position. But you made the point there

1259
01:01:42,933 --> 01:01:45,693
Speaker 4: that they think the broad brush approach of an overall

1260
01:01:45,733 --> 01:01:48,453
Speaker 4: band for under sixteens, as she mentioned in her words,

1261
01:01:48,493 --> 01:01:51,813
Speaker 4: a fool's errand far better they think to actually look

1262
01:01:51,853 --> 01:01:55,213
Speaker 4: at controls that they can help with, like age identification

1263
01:01:55,453 --> 01:01:58,053
Speaker 4: when you're downloading the app. Any child that downloads an

1264
01:01:58,053 --> 01:02:00,413
Speaker 4: app would have to get the parental sign off first.

1265
01:02:01,213 --> 01:02:02,693
Speaker 4: And I think she made the point a little bit

1266
01:02:02,773 --> 01:02:05,013
Speaker 4: later in that interview as well, that the idea about

1267
01:02:05,053 --> 01:02:07,773
Speaker 4: a band, very rarely in history with a lot of

1268
01:02:07,813 --> 01:02:10,933
Speaker 4: these things, doesn't work the way as well as people

1269
01:02:11,053 --> 01:02:13,173
Speaker 4: may think it would work. That kids are still going

1270
01:02:13,213 --> 01:02:15,213
Speaker 4: to get around the idea of a ban and figure

1271
01:02:15,253 --> 01:02:17,853
Speaker 4: out how to get into the dark races of the

1272
01:02:17,933 --> 01:02:21,573
Speaker 4: Internet and find the stuff that they're going to inevitably find.

1273
01:02:22,213 --> 01:02:26,213
Speaker 2: Well, is that where people are doing that. I mean,

1274
01:02:27,773 --> 01:02:29,493
Speaker 2: you know there's browsers, right.

1275
01:02:30,573 --> 01:02:33,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, that asked for the age identification before.

1276
01:02:33,573 --> 01:02:37,333
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying that the ways that people can get

1277
01:02:37,413 --> 01:02:40,413
Speaker 2: to bad material is through a browser, so it's not

1278
01:02:40,533 --> 01:02:41,013
Speaker 2: just apps.

1279
01:02:41,213 --> 01:02:41,413
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1280
01:02:42,013 --> 01:02:46,333
Speaker 2: Right, And doesn't it seem to you odd to anyone? Well,

1281
01:02:46,333 --> 01:02:48,093
Speaker 2: it won't seem odd to anyone at all that her

1282
01:02:48,213 --> 01:02:51,293
Speaker 2: solution involves them not doing it someone else doing it, right, Yeah,

1283
01:02:51,573 --> 01:02:55,013
Speaker 2: I mean, I absolutely believe that any solution in the

1284
01:02:55,093 --> 01:02:57,173
Speaker 2: space will come down to parents in the end, because

1285
01:02:57,253 --> 01:02:58,013
Speaker 2: kids will get around it.

1286
01:02:58,093 --> 01:02:58,213
Speaker 5: Right.

1287
01:02:58,613 --> 01:03:00,933
Speaker 2: So if you think that the government banning something or

1288
01:03:02,293 --> 01:03:04,893
Speaker 2: you know, big tech taking charge of it is going

1289
01:03:04,973 --> 01:03:07,693
Speaker 2: to save your kids, then you're dreaming because they won't.

1290
01:03:08,173 --> 01:03:09,373
Speaker 6: You have to.

1291
01:03:09,613 --> 01:03:11,253
Speaker 2: You have to do the line's share of saving your

1292
01:03:11,293 --> 01:03:14,653
Speaker 2: kids yourself. What the the idea of the ban is?

1293
01:03:14,733 --> 01:03:18,053
Speaker 2: I guess that it's parents can blame the government for

1294
01:03:18,213 --> 01:03:21,413
Speaker 2: the band instead of the kids having a go at

1295
01:03:21,413 --> 01:03:23,293
Speaker 2: the parents about it. But then again, what kind of

1296
01:03:23,333 --> 01:03:25,293
Speaker 2: parents are you where you can't just tell your kids

1297
01:03:25,333 --> 01:03:25,653
Speaker 2: what to do?

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Speaker 3: Mmm?

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Speaker 2: I mean you've got to fight the fight. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's easy to say that because

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Speaker 2: anyone with kids like I have knows that the sometimes

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01:03:33,453 --> 01:03:35,053
Speaker 2: the fight there is just so much of your life

1303
01:03:35,133 --> 01:03:38,133
Speaker 2: that you don't want it to continue, right, So maybe

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01:03:38,173 --> 01:03:39,973
Speaker 2: it's a legal for you to get on. I can

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01:03:40,053 --> 01:03:42,893
Speaker 2: kind of see that. But it is kind of as

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Speaker 2: I said before, asking Facebook what they think should do

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Speaker 2: about its matter, what they should think they should do

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01:03:47,853 --> 01:03:52,213
Speaker 2: about it, because you know their Instagram, WhatsApp, But asking

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Speaker 2: them what they want to do about it is like

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01:03:53,693 --> 01:03:56,213
Speaker 2: asking the you know, the stoaate, what to do about

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01:03:56,213 --> 01:03:56,933
Speaker 2: the ducklings and the.

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01:03:56,973 --> 01:03:59,773
Speaker 3: Barn massive course of interest, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they would say, let all the ducklings out at night.

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Speaker 3: It's great, it's great for us, it's good.

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01:04:06,213 --> 01:04:08,613
Speaker 2: There's no way to keep the ducklings in. Just let

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01:04:08,653 --> 01:04:10,293
Speaker 2: them out. Yeah, just let them out and we'll look

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Speaker 2: after them.

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Speaker 4: And that is exactly what the likes of Antigony Davis

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01:04:14,213 --> 01:04:16,093
Speaker 4: is clearly trying to do that. If they don't have

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Speaker 4: these young people coming through on their product early and

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01:04:19,253 --> 01:04:21,213
Speaker 4: building that habit, clearly they're not going to get them

1322
01:04:21,293 --> 01:04:22,853
Speaker 4: later in life. But the question we've got for you,

1323
01:04:23,013 --> 01:04:26,173
Speaker 4: because our government they have still yet to announce what

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01:04:26,213 --> 01:04:29,413
Speaker 4: they're going to do, ask about progress towards those online

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01:04:29,453 --> 01:04:33,413
Speaker 4: safety messages measures rather than a possible ban. Erica Stanford,

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01:04:33,453 --> 01:04:36,853
Speaker 4: the Education Minister, told the Herald Cabinet has recently taken

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01:04:36,893 --> 01:04:39,293
Speaker 4: decisions on a first set of proposals and an announcement

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01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:41,693
Speaker 4: will be made in the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking at if you go back to facebooks,

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01:04:45,973 --> 01:04:49,173
Speaker 2: so if you look over in Australia, they removed access

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01:04:49,333 --> 01:04:53,373
Speaker 2: to five hundred and fifty thousand accounts with the under sixteens.

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01:04:54,573 --> 01:04:57,853
Speaker 2: They this broke down into these meta owned companies. The

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01:04:57,933 --> 01:05:03,173
Speaker 2: breakdown includes three hundred and thirty thousand Instagram accounts, one

1334
01:05:03,293 --> 01:05:06,733
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy three thousand Facebook accounts, and a small

1335
01:05:06,733 --> 01:05:08,773
Speaker 2: amount of Threads accounts because no one is on Threads.

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01:05:08,773 --> 01:05:12,173
Speaker 2: Obviously it was their ex tweadal ripoff that didn't work.

1337
01:05:12,693 --> 01:05:15,893
Speaker 2: But I mean you look at their business in Australia,

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01:05:16,253 --> 01:05:18,933
Speaker 2: how much is that that you know, that's half a million,

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01:05:19,293 --> 01:05:21,733
Speaker 2: half a million people removed from their accounts. So you've

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01:05:21,733 --> 01:05:23,653
Speaker 2: got to take that into it and you've got to

1341
01:05:23,733 --> 01:05:25,893
Speaker 2: keep that in your mind when you listen to what

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01:05:26,173 --> 01:05:27,253
Speaker 2: their advice.

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01:05:26,973 --> 01:05:27,253
Speaker 15: Is on it.

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01:05:27,413 --> 01:05:27,573
Speaker 2: Right.

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01:05:27,773 --> 01:05:30,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, they're losing a lot of customers there, no doubt.

1346
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Speaker 2: Amen and they make their money by telling you, and

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01:05:33,813 --> 01:05:36,253
Speaker 2: you know they get rumbled all the time for messing

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01:05:36,293 --> 01:05:38,053
Speaker 2: with the numbers, but by telling you, we can give

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01:05:38,093 --> 01:05:40,133
Speaker 2: you this many people to advertise your product to.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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01:05:40,573 --> 01:05:42,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you move five hundred thousand from them

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01:05:42,893 --> 01:05:46,013
Speaker 2: in Australia, you know that's a half thousand in New

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01:05:46,093 --> 01:05:49,293
Speaker 2: Zealand that would be removed if you know, if the

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01:05:49,373 --> 01:05:51,933
Speaker 2: population and the numbers and match up in terms of

1355
01:05:51,973 --> 01:05:54,613
Speaker 2: our population, their population, how many kids we have online?

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01:05:55,453 --> 01:05:58,733
Speaker 2: So I don't know if she's the right person to

1357
01:05:58,773 --> 01:05:59,093
Speaker 2: listen to.

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01:05:59,533 --> 01:06:01,813
Speaker 3: It seems like damaged control, a little bit of damaged

1359
01:06:01,813 --> 01:06:03,093
Speaker 3: control from Meta. But what do you say?

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Speaker 4: We're still yet to make a decision as a country

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01:06:05,093 --> 01:06:07,253
Speaker 4: about whether we follow the likes of Australia. There's many

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01:06:07,293 --> 01:06:10,413
Speaker 4: countries in Europe looking at the under sixteen band for

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01:06:10,533 --> 01:06:12,853
Speaker 4: social media? Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1364
01:06:13,133 --> 01:06:14,813
Speaker 4: Do we need to take a step back and just

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01:06:14,893 --> 01:06:17,493
Speaker 4: see how it operates for Australia and maybe some of

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01:06:17,533 --> 01:06:20,533
Speaker 4: the European countries before making the move ourselves, as that

1367
01:06:20,613 --> 01:06:23,373
Speaker 4: broad brush brush approach the right way to go. Or

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01:06:23,493 --> 01:06:25,533
Speaker 4: does this woman from Meta, even if she does have

1369
01:06:25,573 --> 01:06:29,213
Speaker 4: a massive conflict of interest, make some valid points about

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01:06:29,933 --> 01:06:31,613
Speaker 4: how we can solve this issue together.

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Speaker 2: And thirdly, on this list, what where precisely do you

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01:06:36,693 --> 01:06:40,693
Speaker 2: think her accent is from? Good question, it's American accent,

1373
01:06:40,733 --> 01:06:43,253
Speaker 2: but it's quite distinctive. Someone that knows American accents will

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01:06:43,253 --> 01:06:44,933
Speaker 2: be able to tell us on eight hundred and eighteen

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01:06:44,973 --> 01:06:47,133
Speaker 2: eighty or nine two ninety two. I feel like there's

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01:06:47,173 --> 01:06:49,453
Speaker 2: someone in the movies, someone on a TV show with

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01:06:49,493 --> 01:06:52,813
Speaker 2: a very similar accent. It's a specific region of the

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Speaker 2: United States.

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Speaker 3: Very unique.

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Speaker 4: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is at number to

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01:06:56,053 --> 01:06:58,173
Speaker 4: call nine two ninety two back very shortly.

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Speaker 3: It is eighteen two three.

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Speaker 5: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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Speaker 5: along the way.

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01:07:05,013 --> 01:07:09,533
Speaker 1: Matten afternoons with Scoter please go codes every day.

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Speaker 5: And sko do dot co dot NZ news Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, Jue. It is a quarter to three.

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01:07:15,093 --> 01:07:17,813
Speaker 4: We're talking about one of the meta executives being in

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01:07:18,053 --> 01:07:19,893
Speaker 4: town to try and convince us not to have a

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01:07:20,013 --> 01:07:22,573
Speaker 4: full band for under sixteens on social media. Has she

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01:07:22,693 --> 01:07:25,213
Speaker 4: got some valid points or is it just a massive

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01:07:25,213 --> 01:07:27,093
Speaker 4: conflict of interest? Though one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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01:07:27,173 --> 01:07:27,813
Speaker 4: is the number to call.

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01:07:29,133 --> 01:07:31,293
Speaker 2: I guess, I mean, I suppose about it. We should

1395
01:07:31,573 --> 01:07:35,053
Speaker 2: outline her argument in a way that people can arguments,

1396
01:07:35,053 --> 01:07:37,333
Speaker 2: because because just because someone has a vested interest doesn't

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01:07:37,373 --> 01:07:39,693
Speaker 2: mean that they don't get things right. Yeah, you know,

1398
01:07:40,333 --> 01:07:43,493
Speaker 2: they are an expert in it, so would Her argument

1399
01:07:43,573 --> 01:07:47,693
Speaker 2: is basically that bands tend to be uneven. They drive

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01:07:47,853 --> 01:07:52,773
Speaker 2: people to VPNs and work arounds, so they don't necessarily

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01:07:52,893 --> 01:07:56,613
Speaker 2: work like people would think they would. And also, you know,

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01:07:57,533 --> 01:08:03,413
Speaker 2: make kids more you know, spending more time on areas

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01:08:03,453 --> 01:08:07,133
Speaker 2: that aren't regulated at all, and that they that these

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01:08:07,213 --> 01:08:09,773
Speaker 2: bands risk cut young people off from you know, the

1405
01:08:09,853 --> 01:08:12,933
Speaker 2: good parts of the Internet, which you know, community identities,

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01:08:13,053 --> 01:08:18,013
Speaker 2: you know, learning and such and shift you know, put

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01:08:18,013 --> 01:08:23,253
Speaker 2: a surveillance, heavy age verification you know, from the government

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01:08:23,773 --> 01:08:26,772
Speaker 2: on young people, which isn't necessarily a great thing, and

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01:08:26,973 --> 01:08:29,612
Speaker 2: potentially older people as well get caught up in the

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01:08:29,692 --> 01:08:32,412
Speaker 2: next and that move that away instead of like practical

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01:08:32,452 --> 01:08:34,933
Speaker 2: harm reduction tools, you know, you just a ban is

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01:08:35,013 --> 01:08:38,612
Speaker 2: so blanket that it's it's a blunt tool, is really

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01:08:38,652 --> 01:08:42,612
Speaker 2: what she's saying, That that probably won't work. It's I mean,

1414
01:08:42,893 --> 01:08:45,412
Speaker 2: I butchered that attempt at steal, meaning her argument, But

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01:08:45,692 --> 01:08:47,052
Speaker 2: that's roughly what she's saying, right.

1416
01:08:47,013 --> 01:08:48,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've articulated that well.

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01:08:48,452 --> 01:08:51,532
Speaker 4: That the idea of a full broad brush ban is

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01:08:51,732 --> 01:08:55,852
Speaker 4: that in many essences, you lose control of actually coming

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01:08:55,973 --> 01:09:00,213
Speaker 4: up with valid ways to be able to direct kids

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01:09:00,372 --> 01:09:03,492
Speaker 4: into the right places into the internet, or at least

1421
01:09:03,572 --> 01:09:06,093
Speaker 4: bring the parents in to have a little bit more say,

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01:09:06,133 --> 01:09:08,412
Speaker 4: because every parent is different. You mentioned that in the

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01:09:08,532 --> 01:09:11,333
Speaker 4: in the interview, these different circumstances, and bang on. I

1424
01:09:11,372 --> 01:09:12,892
Speaker 4: thought you articulated that beautifully.

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01:09:13,093 --> 01:09:14,333
Speaker 3: The idea of the.

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01:09:14,372 --> 01:09:16,772
Speaker 2: Other side of it is social media's full of bullying.

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01:09:17,372 --> 01:09:20,612
Speaker 2: It's got it's harmful for kids, hardful for their mental health,

1428
01:09:20,692 --> 01:09:24,053
Speaker 2: that's got addictive patterns. The whole thing's designed to make

1429
01:09:24,093 --> 01:09:27,612
Speaker 2: you addicted to it. The rules like this the ban

1430
01:09:28,893 --> 01:09:31,572
Speaker 2: alleviate peer pressure for people being on it, and it

1431
01:09:31,652 --> 01:09:32,652
Speaker 2: gives parents backups.

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01:09:32,692 --> 01:09:35,612
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, good argument there as well. East of arm,

1433
01:09:35,652 --> 01:09:39,612
Speaker 3: what do you say, Hi, I'm an American.

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Speaker 12: I'll first answer, what accent was that individual from? I

1435
01:09:43,532 --> 01:09:46,572
Speaker 12: think she's just from northern California. I tell you, you know,

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01:09:46,572 --> 01:09:48,532
Speaker 12: I don't know if anybody else maybe answered that. I

1437
01:09:48,572 --> 01:09:51,452
Speaker 12: don't think there's anything too strange now, I'm I'm from Texas,

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01:09:52,013 --> 01:09:53,492
Speaker 12: so but I don't really have too much of an

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01:09:53,532 --> 01:09:54,572
Speaker 12: accent there now.

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01:09:54,692 --> 01:09:56,812
Speaker 2: I think with an accent, you got a bit of

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01:09:56,812 --> 01:09:58,572
Speaker 2: an accent there, mate, you go, You've got a pretty

1442
01:09:58,572 --> 01:10:00,532
Speaker 2: good accent there. You sound wise, I sound like.

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01:10:00,532 --> 01:10:01,012
Speaker 6: One of y'all.

1444
01:10:01,093 --> 01:10:02,053
Speaker 7: I sound like one of y'all.

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01:10:02,893 --> 01:10:05,492
Speaker 12: But I think the thing you got to keep in

1446
01:10:05,532 --> 01:10:09,452
Speaker 12: mind with muddy here is that you know, they the

1447
01:10:09,572 --> 01:10:12,692
Speaker 12: children's time, right, and time is a currency. And if

1448
01:10:12,732 --> 01:10:16,012
Speaker 12: you're pro business, I think if you want more businesses

1449
01:10:16,093 --> 01:10:19,253
Speaker 12: to exist to occupy children's times, you know, other activities

1450
01:10:19,253 --> 01:10:21,732
Speaker 12: things like that, you'd prefer them to be off social media, right,

1451
01:10:21,853 --> 01:10:23,812
Speaker 12: you know, you want that opportunity to exist for them

1452
01:10:23,853 --> 01:10:26,452
Speaker 12: to spend time maybe with families, going out doing other things.

1453
01:10:26,973 --> 01:10:29,133
Speaker 12: Who knows, But I think one thing that's not really

1454
01:10:29,173 --> 01:10:32,133
Speaker 12: being considered to hear why it's really important for youth

1455
01:10:32,253 --> 01:10:34,812
Speaker 12: to be on Meta it's because they're evolving into more

1456
01:10:34,853 --> 01:10:37,812
Speaker 12: of an AI platform. So the more youth that are

1457
01:10:37,893 --> 01:10:41,173
Speaker 12: on it, using their chat services and contributing data to

1458
01:10:41,333 --> 01:10:43,492
Speaker 12: these AI tools that they're baking into every future of

1459
01:10:43,532 --> 01:10:46,532
Speaker 12: every app that they have, allows them to continue to

1460
01:10:46,572 --> 01:10:50,333
Speaker 12: be competitive in the marketplace. For future iterations of their services. Now,

1461
01:10:50,372 --> 01:10:53,212
Speaker 12: I'm not saying that maybe older people aren't using those services,

1462
01:10:53,333 --> 01:10:55,572
Speaker 12: but that's really the core intent of them is to

1463
01:10:56,093 --> 01:10:59,212
Speaker 12: of course get data from individuals and build their products

1464
01:10:59,372 --> 01:11:03,453
Speaker 12: for the purposes of advertising and you know, molding behaviors.

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01:11:03,612 --> 01:11:03,732
Speaker 6: Right.

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01:11:03,893 --> 01:11:06,012
Speaker 12: So I think that's really important to keep in mind

1467
01:11:06,053 --> 01:11:09,612
Speaker 12: when limiting children's access, because it's not just about doom

1468
01:11:09,652 --> 01:11:13,252
Speaker 12: scrolling and seeing ads or being in an online conversation.

1469
01:11:13,412 --> 01:11:15,213
Speaker 12: It's kind of how do they use these tools to

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01:11:15,253 --> 01:11:18,492
Speaker 12: answer their own questions and in return give data to

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Speaker 12: influence how again the product evolves now and.

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Speaker 2: Of course when you talk about molding behaviors, it's also

1473
01:11:25,572 --> 01:11:29,773
Speaker 2: molding the behaviors of getting them young, when they're more malleable,

1474
01:11:30,412 --> 01:11:35,452
Speaker 2: such that they're addicted to the products, and you know,

1475
01:11:35,572 --> 01:11:38,173
Speaker 2: that's how they socialize, that's how they say the world,

1476
01:11:38,253 --> 01:11:39,452
Speaker 2: that's how their brain is geared.

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01:11:40,812 --> 01:11:41,852
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, it could be.

1478
01:11:41,933 --> 01:11:42,293
Speaker 16: It could be.

1479
01:11:42,372 --> 01:11:44,173
Speaker 12: I mean, at the end of the day, it's pick

1480
01:11:44,253 --> 01:11:46,372
Speaker 12: any of one of the apps, right. I would also

1481
01:11:46,492 --> 01:11:48,892
Speaker 12: argue they're not even using meta, right, I mean they're

1482
01:11:48,893 --> 01:11:51,852
Speaker 12: probably just on TikTok or Snapchat or some alternative, right,

1483
01:11:51,893 --> 01:11:54,452
Speaker 12: But it's all about the blanket ban on social media,

1484
01:11:54,532 --> 01:11:56,932
Speaker 12: and I think it's healthier to get you know, allow

1485
01:11:57,093 --> 01:12:00,372
Speaker 12: children and use slender sixteen to develop habits outside of

1486
01:12:00,452 --> 01:12:04,213
Speaker 12: their phones and apps and all that, but don't want

1487
01:12:04,253 --> 01:12:04,652
Speaker 12: them on the.

1488
01:12:05,612 --> 01:12:09,053
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think it would? I mean,

1489
01:12:09,093 --> 01:12:11,093
Speaker 2: that's the thing you can say. You can say that

1490
01:12:11,173 --> 01:12:12,492
Speaker 2: the band would be good, and I think a lot

1491
01:12:12,532 --> 01:12:15,213
Speaker 2: of people would say. What's interesting about these surveys in

1492
01:12:15,253 --> 01:12:18,492
Speaker 2: New Zealand and the surveys of New zealandteresting because so

1493
01:12:18,652 --> 01:12:21,093
Speaker 2: many people, by far the most majority of parents, say

1494
01:12:21,692 --> 01:12:23,973
Speaker 2: I think this is a good idea, But most of

1495
01:12:24,013 --> 01:12:25,412
Speaker 2: them also say that they don't think it'll work.

1496
01:12:26,853 --> 01:12:29,093
Speaker 12: I don't think it will work now, I mean, I mean,

1497
01:12:29,093 --> 01:12:32,093
Speaker 12: I don't think it will work to totally keep them off,

1498
01:12:32,213 --> 01:12:35,372
Speaker 12: but I mean you should try. It's better than letting

1499
01:12:35,412 --> 01:12:37,973
Speaker 12: meta have control over your children's future, right, That's the

1500
01:12:38,053 --> 01:12:39,412
Speaker 12: kind of selling point here. Do you want to be

1501
01:12:39,492 --> 01:12:41,532
Speaker 12: the one to influence them or would you rather than

1502
01:12:41,572 --> 01:12:43,572
Speaker 12: be the ones to influence them? That's kind of it.

1503
01:12:44,213 --> 01:12:46,732
Speaker 2: Well, what do you think about the argument that meta

1504
01:12:46,973 --> 01:12:51,293
Speaker 2: is better than whatever dark recesses of the Internet that

1505
01:12:52,013 --> 01:12:53,732
Speaker 2: they'll end up on? If you know, what I mean,

1506
01:12:53,772 --> 01:12:56,213
Speaker 2: at least Meta is a big company that can get pressure,

1507
01:12:56,293 --> 01:12:58,492
Speaker 2: can get called in front of hearings, and it has

1508
01:12:58,572 --> 01:13:01,532
Speaker 2: to justify itself and send an agent around the world,

1509
01:13:01,933 --> 01:13:03,852
Speaker 2: an exec around the world to try and sell the thing,

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01:13:03,893 --> 01:13:05,932
Speaker 2: whereas these parts of the Internet where the kids could

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Speaker 2: end up, where there's no such thing.

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Speaker 12: I mean, look at kind of the political situation in

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Speaker 12: America right now. It's sort of the direct result of

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01:13:14,412 --> 01:13:17,612
Speaker 12: social media influencing people's perspectives, right. I mean, I don't

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01:13:17,652 --> 01:13:20,892
Speaker 12: know if that's truly any better. The whole global scenario

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01:13:20,933 --> 01:13:23,492
Speaker 12: around social media is because they exists, right, So I mean,

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01:13:23,732 --> 01:13:26,133
Speaker 12: what dark corner of the Internet are we talking about?

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01:13:26,173 --> 01:13:27,892
Speaker 12: It's the one we all use, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're in a pretty dark corner of the Internet,

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Speaker 2: even we're in the in the above board parts.

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Speaker 4: Correct, absolutely, Thank you very much, Yester. I'm beautiful accent

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Speaker 4: as well. Back very shortly, it is eight to three.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1524
01:13:45,133 --> 01:13:49,052
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be news talks. It as it'd be.

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01:13:51,692 --> 01:13:53,333
Speaker 4: It is five to three, and we have been talking

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01:13:53,372 --> 01:13:55,572
Speaker 4: about a Meta executive in the country to try and

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01:13:55,652 --> 01:13:58,692
Speaker 4: convince us not to have a full ban on social media.

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01:13:58,893 --> 01:14:01,892
Speaker 4: Plenty of texts have come through on nine two nine two.

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01:14:03,133 --> 01:14:06,173
Speaker 4: This one says, guys, the horse has bolted on pornography

1531
01:14:06,253 --> 01:14:08,692
Speaker 4: and the smart kids know all the ways of around it,

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01:14:08,772 --> 01:14:12,013
Speaker 4: so a band wouldn't make any difference, which is a

1533
01:14:12,053 --> 01:14:15,133
Speaker 4: fair point. And this one getto guys, maybe we should

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01:14:15,173 --> 01:14:17,852
Speaker 4: let kids smoke and drink as well, maybe take some

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01:14:18,013 --> 01:14:19,732
Speaker 4: pee while we're at it. If there's no point in

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01:14:19,812 --> 01:14:23,972
Speaker 4: banning anything, can the can the government have control over

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01:14:24,133 --> 01:14:25,173
Speaker 4: anything that's from Dave?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a good point. We'll just have

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01:14:29,612 --> 01:14:32,652
Speaker 2: to mute you there, Tyler. Sorry in Wellington as if

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01:14:32,652 --> 01:14:36,173
Speaker 2: your tech issues going on today, so bear with us. Yeah,

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01:14:36,253 --> 01:14:38,293
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that is a good point. But

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01:14:39,572 --> 01:14:41,852
Speaker 2: you also can ask whether a band will be efficient

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01:14:41,973 --> 01:14:44,013
Speaker 2: or not. Right, So when you're coming in to look

1544
01:14:44,053 --> 01:14:46,852
Speaker 2: at how we ban alcohol, we ban anything, you go

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01:14:46,933 --> 01:14:49,652
Speaker 2: around and say is it efficient? So if you're banned

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01:14:49,652 --> 01:14:53,812
Speaker 2: on alcohol, was meant that a whole lot of kids

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01:14:53,853 --> 01:14:56,612
Speaker 2: started bootlegging and you had a bunch of fourteen year

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01:14:56,612 --> 01:15:01,372
Speaker 2: olds just ending up with moonshine facilities. You know in

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01:15:01,412 --> 01:15:04,772
Speaker 2: their bedrooms, under their beds, then you'd question the value

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01:15:04,812 --> 01:15:07,413
Speaker 2: of banning it. So you know you have these discussions,

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01:15:07,452 --> 01:15:07,692
Speaker 2: don't you.

1552
01:15:07,812 --> 01:15:10,412
Speaker 3: Yep, goes both ways. Great discussion, Thank you very much.

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01:15:10,492 --> 01:15:12,372
Speaker 4: Coming up after three o'clock, we want to have a

1554
01:15:12,452 --> 01:15:14,213
Speaker 4: chat with you about the best way to get your

1555
01:15:14,333 --> 01:15:17,013
Speaker 4: kids into exercise and met you're going through this at

1556
01:15:17,053 --> 01:15:17,773
Speaker 4: the moments.

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01:15:18,173 --> 01:15:20,772
Speaker 2: I might have the ultimate solution.

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01:15:21,253 --> 01:15:22,572
Speaker 3: This is good, This is good.

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01:15:22,612 --> 01:15:24,253
Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:15:24,253 --> 01:15:25,932
Speaker 4: to call love to get your thoughts on the best

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01:15:25,973 --> 01:15:27,533
Speaker 4: way to get kids into exercise.

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01:15:27,933 --> 01:15:30,893
Speaker 3: And of course going to the news a bit of

1563
01:15:31,013 --> 01:15:31,452
Speaker 3: Nick Cave.

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01:15:32,532 --> 01:15:36,093
Speaker 2: Oh, this is such a great song, the Ship song

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01:15:37,053 --> 01:15:40,933
Speaker 2: from the good Son album. Very excited about this concert tomorrow.

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Speaker 13: You are.

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Speaker 5: You're home for insightful and entertaining talk.

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01:15:58,093 --> 01:16:01,652
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons with Skoda on

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Speaker 1: News Talks Beat.

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Speaker 4: Very good afternoon, Chier, welcome back into the show. Seven

1571
01:16:06,772 --> 01:16:10,172
Speaker 4: past three. Great of your company is always just a reminder.

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01:16:10,213 --> 01:16:13,213
Speaker 4: In about twenty five minutes, we've got Mikey Havoc on

1573
01:16:13,293 --> 01:16:16,213
Speaker 4: the show. Push Push has banned from the nineties, getting

1574
01:16:16,253 --> 01:16:18,812
Speaker 4: back together for four shows only he's a hell of

1575
01:16:18,893 --> 01:16:20,772
Speaker 4: a great guy and it's a hell of a band.

1576
01:16:20,893 --> 01:16:22,772
Speaker 4: So looking forward to avenue chat with him very shortly.

1577
01:16:23,492 --> 01:16:25,372
Speaker 4: But right now, let's get into this one. That's going

1578
01:16:25,412 --> 01:16:27,333
Speaker 4: to be a great chat. What is the best way

1579
01:16:27,612 --> 01:16:29,853
Speaker 4: to get your kids into exercise?

1580
01:16:30,492 --> 01:16:33,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've just been talking about the social media ban.

1581
01:16:33,293 --> 01:16:35,612
Speaker 2: What's the opposite of social being on social media? I

1582
01:16:35,692 --> 01:16:38,452
Speaker 2: guess it's out doing some kind of fitness, playing some

1583
01:16:38,612 --> 01:16:43,492
Speaker 2: kind of sporting, being active. Although my solution to getting

1584
01:16:43,532 --> 01:16:47,652
Speaker 2: one of my kids, you know, to get active and

1585
01:16:47,732 --> 01:16:51,093
Speaker 2: get out, actually involves an app, right, So there's a

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01:16:51,173 --> 01:16:54,213
Speaker 2: portion of it, and I think that's why it's partially successful,

1587
01:16:54,732 --> 01:16:59,732
Speaker 2: because the getting out and doing exercise has the you know,

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01:17:00,732 --> 01:17:04,572
Speaker 2: the digital side to it. Yeah, and that maybe that's

1589
01:17:04,612 --> 01:17:06,452
Speaker 2: the secret source. A little bit for them, a little.

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01:17:06,253 --> 01:17:06,532
Speaker 6: Bit for you.

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01:17:06,812 --> 01:17:08,692
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot plays into it. So just

1592
01:17:08,772 --> 01:17:11,093
Speaker 4: tell us a little bit more about this particular app.

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01:17:11,612 --> 01:17:13,933
Speaker 2: Okay, I mentioned it before on the show, but I

1594
01:17:14,053 --> 01:17:17,293
Speaker 2: just think it's so good the app. And I'm getting

1595
01:17:17,333 --> 01:17:19,013
Speaker 2: nothing from these guys. I don't know even know where

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01:17:19,013 --> 01:17:23,253
Speaker 2: they're based, you know, but they their apps called the

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01:17:23,412 --> 01:17:28,492
Speaker 2: con It's called Conqueror, yep. So it's called the Conqueror,

1598
01:17:28,772 --> 01:17:31,532
Speaker 2: and you go on these little journeys on the app.

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Speaker 2: So the one I'm doing is the Lord of the

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01:17:34,213 --> 01:17:38,013
Speaker 2: Rings journey where you travel to Mortal from the Shire right.

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01:17:38,133 --> 01:17:41,932
Speaker 2: It's right, yes, And so my son and I are

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01:17:42,093 --> 01:17:44,612
Speaker 2: doing it. We run alternate days, so we're doing it

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01:17:44,652 --> 01:17:46,933
Speaker 2: as a team. And whilst I just running around the

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01:17:46,973 --> 01:17:50,692
Speaker 2: streets of Mount Eden. It marks it off the map

1605
01:17:50,812 --> 01:17:53,372
Speaker 2: to how far you are on the big famous map

1606
01:17:53,452 --> 01:17:56,213
Speaker 2: of Middle Earth that's on the Appy right, and it's

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01:17:56,213 --> 01:17:59,812
Speaker 2: all tied in officially with the movies. So you get

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01:18:00,213 --> 01:18:03,253
Speaker 2: you get postcards and updates. And when you do a

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Speaker 2: big you know, arrive in a big place like a

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Speaker 2: couple of days ago. We arrived in three or four

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01:18:08,853 --> 01:18:11,692
Speaker 2: days ago. We arrived in Brie. Took us about two

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01:18:11,812 --> 01:18:15,133
Speaker 2: hundred and something case to get there. And you get

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01:18:15,173 --> 01:18:20,053
Speaker 2: sent out these beautiful metal medals, a fantastic metal I'll

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01:18:20,053 --> 01:18:22,412
Speaker 2: put a picture of the metal up on my Matt

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01:18:22,452 --> 01:18:26,133
Speaker 2: heath enz on Instagram and my story. Give me a

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01:18:26,173 --> 01:18:30,732
Speaker 2: few minutes to get it up there, bigger pardon and

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01:18:31,093 --> 01:18:32,972
Speaker 2: inside this medal on the back it has the one ring,

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01:18:33,173 --> 01:18:34,692
Speaker 2: so you then put the one ring on for the

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01:18:34,772 --> 01:18:36,772
Speaker 2: rest of your run because you're you know, you're taking

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Speaker 2: it to mortar, so there's a physical aspect to it

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01:18:40,333 --> 01:18:42,293
Speaker 2: as well, and that well, the app doesn't but someone

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01:18:42,452 --> 01:18:45,213
Speaker 2: the app signals that you're there and then you get

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Speaker 2: the metal sent out. So it costs a bit of money,

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Speaker 2: but what a fantastic way to get my son out running.

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Speaker 2: And after each run we'll post a picture. When he's

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Speaker 2: with his mum, I'll send him a picture of me

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Speaker 2: doing the run. And we started dressing up in stupid costumes,

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Speaker 2: like we just like put a hat on and we

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01:19:01,732 --> 01:19:04,052
Speaker 2: had this fake pipe to make us look like Hobbits

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Speaker 2: and sent the pictures to each other. And when he's

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Speaker 2: with me, we do that together because I have a

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01:19:07,532 --> 01:19:10,692
Speaker 2: week on, week off, but he's just powering out and

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Speaker 2: doing it. And so I'll run ten k every second day.

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Speaker 2: He'll run a minimum of six. But he was up

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01:19:17,572 --> 01:19:20,053
Speaker 2: north when there were the terrible weather was on and

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01:19:20,812 --> 01:19:24,452
Speaker 2: so he couldn't get out and run because it was

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01:19:24,492 --> 01:19:27,732
Speaker 2: basically flooded. So he was so into it that he

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01:19:27,812 --> 01:19:31,293
Speaker 2: then added an extra two k's to his running for

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01:19:31,372 --> 01:19:32,972
Speaker 2: the next three runs to make up for the six

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01:19:33,093 --> 01:19:37,492
Speaker 2: k he missed. He did that on his own volition.

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01:19:37,612 --> 01:19:39,893
Speaker 2: He said, oh no, because he got the sense of

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01:19:39,933 --> 01:19:41,932
Speaker 2: purpose that he was letting me down if he didn't

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01:19:41,933 --> 01:19:43,612
Speaker 2: do the runs, because I had to do the k's

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01:19:43,652 --> 01:19:45,933
Speaker 2: for us to get to the next spot. Now with

1645
01:19:46,053 --> 01:19:49,812
Speaker 2: pass bri and we're onto a rivet down. So it's

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Speaker 2: just such a brilliant, brilliant idea and such a fantastic

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01:19:52,412 --> 01:19:54,973
Speaker 2: way to get involved with fitness for a kid like

1648
01:19:55,093 --> 01:19:58,052
Speaker 2: my son, who's one of my sons is very sporty.

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01:19:58,053 --> 01:19:59,692
Speaker 2: The other one isn't. He does very well at school

1650
01:19:59,732 --> 01:20:03,452
Speaker 2: and he's a very good boy, but it's just he

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01:20:03,532 --> 01:20:06,852
Speaker 2: doesn't tend towards physical activity. It's just not his thing really,

1652
01:20:07,372 --> 01:20:09,932
Speaker 2: But his thing is Lord the Ranks. Yeah, and there's

1653
01:20:09,933 --> 01:20:11,892
Speaker 2: other missions on here. I'm not sure how you do them.

1654
01:20:11,933 --> 01:20:14,892
Speaker 2: But there's a Star Wars mission as well, so I'm

1655
01:20:14,933 --> 01:20:16,532
Speaker 2: not sure how you run through space or how they

1656
01:20:16,572 --> 01:20:17,213
Speaker 2: work that one out.

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01:20:17,412 --> 01:20:19,253
Speaker 3: It's a long way, very long way.

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01:20:20,053 --> 01:20:22,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe on Tattoine or something and trying to get

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01:20:22,372 --> 01:20:23,372
Speaker 2: to Mossile Eisley.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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01:20:23,973 --> 01:20:25,852
Speaker 2: I'll lock into that in the future, but it's just

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01:20:26,492 --> 01:20:30,333
Speaker 2: a unique way to get a kid to do physical

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01:20:30,412 --> 01:20:33,333
Speaker 2: exercise that doesn't do physical exercise, and ironically it is

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01:20:33,532 --> 01:20:35,293
Speaker 2: involved with an app.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's a genius idea because it's effectively

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01:20:38,253 --> 01:20:42,093
Speaker 4: the gamification of exercise, right, which you know works for

1667
01:20:42,253 --> 01:20:42,972
Speaker 4: a lot of young people.

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Speaker 3: Don't think that works for adults as well. But incredibly

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01:20:45,412 --> 01:20:48,452
Speaker 3: incredibly smart and clearly working a treat for you, guys.

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Speaker 3: Can you hear from you?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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01:20:49,293 --> 01:20:52,412
Speaker 4: Eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty are you doing

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01:20:52,452 --> 01:20:54,253
Speaker 4: something similar? Or what is the best way to get

1674
01:20:54,293 --> 01:20:57,412
Speaker 4: your kid into exercise? Of exercise isn't really their thing?

1675
01:20:57,933 --> 01:20:59,612
Speaker 4: If you want to send a text? Nine two nine

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01:20:59,652 --> 01:21:02,372
Speaker 4: to two is that number? Plenty of texts coming through.

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01:21:02,612 --> 01:21:04,092
Speaker 4: We'll get to a few of those in the minute.

1678
01:21:04,093 --> 01:21:06,492
Speaker 3: But love, do you hear from you how or what

1679
01:21:06,692 --> 01:21:08,812
Speaker 3: is the best way to get your kids into exercise

1680
01:21:08,812 --> 01:21:09,812
Speaker 3: if it's not really their thing?

1681
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Speaker 6: Back?

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01:21:10,213 --> 01:21:12,133
Speaker 3: Very shortly, it is twelve past three.

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Speaker 5: News talk said, be very good.

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01:21:14,933 --> 01:21:16,772
Speaker 4: Afternoon, che We're talking about the best way to get

1685
01:21:16,893 --> 01:21:18,412
Speaker 4: kids into exercise.

1686
01:21:18,532 --> 01:21:22,013
Speaker 2: And breaking news, breaking news. So here I am. I

1687
01:21:22,133 --> 01:21:25,972
Speaker 2: discover this app randomly. I just I find out it's

1688
01:21:26,013 --> 01:21:29,532
Speaker 2: the you know, the best thing for forgetting my kid

1689
01:21:29,572 --> 01:21:32,732
Speaker 2: out running. I think it's so ingenious And then I

1690
01:21:32,812 --> 01:21:34,772
Speaker 2: find out it's invented by a New Zealander.

1691
01:21:34,893 --> 01:21:37,452
Speaker 3: How good? Give them a taste, Give them a taste

1692
01:21:37,492 --> 01:21:37,972
Speaker 3: a Kiwi.

1693
01:21:38,652 --> 01:21:42,412
Speaker 2: So that is phenomenal. So this this Conqueror app the

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01:21:42,492 --> 01:21:48,253
Speaker 2: Conqueror Challenges it's it's invented by a kei We entrepreneur. Yeah,

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01:21:49,013 --> 01:21:50,612
Speaker 2: Adam l a Jiz.

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Speaker 4: And when we realized that, we thought, hey, let's let's

1697
01:21:53,492 --> 01:21:54,932
Speaker 4: say we can get a hold of at him because

1698
01:21:54,973 --> 01:21:56,652
Speaker 4: how good this say is that it's a key we

1699
01:21:56,772 --> 01:21:58,652
Speaker 4: that started out. We've just had a yarn to them

1700
01:21:58,933 --> 01:22:00,333
Speaker 4: and we are going to get them on the show

1701
01:22:00,372 --> 01:22:01,253
Speaker 4: in about five minutes.

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01:22:01,572 --> 01:22:02,612
Speaker 2: Do I live in a simulation?

1703
01:22:03,452 --> 01:22:05,093
Speaker 3: It feels like it's like, what's going on here?

1704
01:22:05,093 --> 01:22:07,213
Speaker 2: I've been going around. It's about a third time brought

1705
01:22:07,253 --> 01:22:09,492
Speaker 2: up on the show. How great this? And then it

1706
01:22:09,532 --> 01:22:11,532
Speaker 2: turns out it's invented by a Kiwi.

1707
01:22:12,173 --> 01:22:13,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely a simulation.

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01:22:13,933 --> 01:22:18,093
Speaker 2: See that's it. That just just proves my Kiwi exceptionalism

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01:22:18,213 --> 01:22:19,692
Speaker 2: is an actual thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how good?

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01:22:21,333 --> 01:22:22,893
Speaker 4: And we are going to just a reminder to have

1712
01:22:22,933 --> 01:22:25,692
Speaker 4: a chat to Adam our gears in about five minutes.

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01:22:25,732 --> 01:22:28,612
Speaker 4: But taking your cool one hundred and eighty ten eighty Rena,

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Speaker 4: how are you very good? In your sounds very good?

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01:22:31,933 --> 01:22:33,692
Speaker 3: So you did a similar thing to what Matt's and

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01:22:33,772 --> 01:22:34,372
Speaker 3: his boys doing.

1717
01:22:35,173 --> 01:22:37,932
Speaker 9: Yeah, my souf and my daughter in the COVID time,

1718
01:22:38,973 --> 01:22:41,732
Speaker 9: we were bored silly, So we got a bike at

1719
01:22:41,772 --> 01:22:44,133
Speaker 9: home and you know, one of those on the boat

1720
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Speaker 9: stand things, and we did the Netherlands and we've got

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Speaker 9: a wonderful badge and a windmill, a quite large metal windmill.

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Speaker 8: To do it.

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Speaker 11: It was great, it was really good.

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Speaker 3: How good?

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01:22:56,532 --> 01:22:58,852
Speaker 4: And so how did you get you know, the idea

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01:22:59,013 --> 01:23:02,372
Speaker 4: to jump on the bike and bike across a virtual

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01:23:02,412 --> 01:23:03,293
Speaker 4: country so to speak.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's actually my daughter. She was bored silly, and

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01:23:07,812 --> 01:23:09,852
Speaker 9: she said, well, we've got to do something different. So

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01:23:10,053 --> 01:23:11,492
Speaker 9: she now she went off and did it, and she

1731
01:23:11,612 --> 01:23:13,933
Speaker 9: wandered off on some random thing. I don't know what

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01:23:14,093 --> 01:23:16,093
Speaker 9: it was, but anyhow she came back with this and

1733
01:23:16,173 --> 01:23:17,053
Speaker 9: she said, you want to do it with me?

1734
01:23:17,093 --> 01:23:17,173
Speaker 8: Mom?

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01:23:17,253 --> 01:23:19,532
Speaker 9: I said, yeah, sure, give it a go. So we

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01:23:19,612 --> 01:23:21,732
Speaker 9: did a period of days and then she got quite

1737
01:23:21,772 --> 01:23:24,652
Speaker 9: hooked into the number of different different countries over the

1738
01:23:25,253 --> 01:23:28,293
Speaker 9: COVID break and sort of stopped the boredom so much.

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01:23:28,572 --> 01:23:30,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, how long? How long was the bike ride. How

1740
01:23:30,532 --> 01:23:31,013
Speaker 3: far did you go?

1741
01:23:32,293 --> 01:23:34,772
Speaker 9: Well, I went only I only did it in the

1742
01:23:34,853 --> 01:23:37,013
Speaker 9: Netherlands and I just went from one side to the other,

1743
01:23:37,173 --> 01:23:39,892
Speaker 9: which isn't long. But I didn't know how good I would.

1744
01:23:40,013 --> 01:23:42,093
Speaker 9: You know, we have a time limited. I mean you

1745
01:23:42,173 --> 01:23:43,852
Speaker 9: can do your own time limit and stuff like that,

1746
01:23:44,013 --> 01:23:46,012
Speaker 9: but between the two of us, we had a time limited,

1747
01:23:46,053 --> 01:23:47,612
Speaker 9: and I figured I could do that in the time

1748
01:23:47,652 --> 01:23:51,812
Speaker 9: limit we had without killing myself. But other than that, yeah, no,

1749
01:23:51,973 --> 01:23:53,412
Speaker 9: she she got into it quite a few and we

1750
01:23:53,492 --> 01:23:55,213
Speaker 9: got it. She got quite a number of little medals

1751
01:23:55,253 --> 01:23:57,372
Speaker 9: and it was quite novel. And then just getting the

1752
01:23:57,412 --> 01:23:59,532
Speaker 9: medal in the mail, it was just a sort.

1753
01:23:59,372 --> 01:24:00,492
Speaker 8: Of yeah, it was really cool.

1754
01:24:01,492 --> 01:24:03,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that idea of the gamification of exercise

1755
01:24:04,053 --> 01:24:04,972
Speaker 3: it's a wonderful thing.

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01:24:05,452 --> 01:24:08,652
Speaker 2: You know, whether it's the gamification of exis size have

1757
01:24:08,732 --> 01:24:12,372
Speaker 2: been around for a long time, like rugby, for example, what.

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01:24:12,492 --> 01:24:15,213
Speaker 9: Thet what the interesting part was? You'd be sitting at

1759
01:24:15,253 --> 01:24:18,053
Speaker 9: home and watching something and should say, oh, gosh, I've

1760
01:24:18,133 --> 01:24:19,372
Speaker 9: just gone through the tulip field.

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01:24:19,452 --> 01:24:20,093
Speaker 6: I said, oh have you?

1762
01:24:20,452 --> 01:24:23,333
Speaker 9: And yeah, what what color were they?

1763
01:24:23,492 --> 01:24:23,892
Speaker 7: Or whatever?

1764
01:24:24,093 --> 01:24:25,612
Speaker 9: And we just just to talk about it like that,

1765
01:24:25,812 --> 01:24:27,772
Speaker 9: just like you would with the Star Wars. Who'd you

1766
01:24:27,812 --> 01:24:30,133
Speaker 9: shoot or who did you miss? Or who missed you one?

1767
01:24:30,173 --> 01:24:31,293
Speaker 9: And when you went through?

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01:24:32,013 --> 01:24:33,692
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's just good thing.

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01:24:34,093 --> 01:24:37,692
Speaker 4: Yeah, renetha Irena, Sorry, thank you so much for giving

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01:24:37,772 --> 01:24:40,772
Speaker 4: us a buzz. Dave, you're involved in the exercise industry.

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01:24:42,333 --> 01:24:43,293
Speaker 6: Yeah, hi, guys.

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01:24:44,692 --> 01:24:50,053
Speaker 13: I am and I represent a brand international brand of

1773
01:24:50,933 --> 01:24:55,213
Speaker 13: wearables in New Zealand and we've we've got a new

1774
01:24:55,412 --> 01:25:00,652
Speaker 13: product out there, specifically four Kids that doesn't game a fight,

1775
01:25:00,812 --> 01:25:03,492
Speaker 13: but it does have the warrible has what games on it,

1776
01:25:03,612 --> 01:25:10,172
Speaker 13: but it it animates their exercise with whether it be running, swimming, skiing,

1777
01:25:10,973 --> 01:25:14,732
Speaker 13: you know, netball, whatever, basketball, and it just makes it

1778
01:25:14,812 --> 01:25:18,333
Speaker 13: more entertaining for them and it rewards them with digital

1779
01:25:18,532 --> 01:25:24,093
Speaker 13: medals and things like that. So it makes a heck

1780
01:25:24,133 --> 01:25:28,053
Speaker 13: of a difference to you know, to incentivize kids to

1781
01:25:28,732 --> 01:25:31,213
Speaker 13: you know, get out and try some things, do some

1782
01:25:31,333 --> 01:25:34,893
Speaker 13: different exercises, see all the different metrics that can be

1783
01:25:35,093 --> 01:25:38,333
Speaker 13: generated and just how cool they are and how cool

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01:25:38,333 --> 01:25:39,493
Speaker 13: they are when they're exercising.

1785
01:25:39,893 --> 01:25:43,492
Speaker 4: Yeah, great stuff, Dave, fantastic, Thank you very much taking

1786
01:25:43,532 --> 01:25:45,612
Speaker 4: your calls. O. Eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty nineteen

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01:25:45,732 --> 01:25:48,372
Speaker 4: ninety two is the text but coming up after the break,

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01:25:48,933 --> 01:25:50,492
Speaker 4: we are going to have a chat to Adam e.

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Speaker 3: Algaz.

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Speaker 4: He's a key week and he's one of the brains

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01:25:53,412 --> 01:25:55,572
Speaker 4: behind the Conquerors. This is going to be a great

1792
01:25:55,692 --> 01:25:59,293
Speaker 4: chat that is coming up next. It is nineteen past three.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

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01:26:07,572 --> 01:26:09,452
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

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01:26:09,893 --> 01:26:13,052
Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to It is twenty two past three.

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01:26:13,293 --> 01:26:15,692
Speaker 4: So we started this conversation. The question was the best

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01:26:15,732 --> 01:26:18,612
Speaker 4: ways to get your kids into exercise, because Matt, you've

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01:26:18,652 --> 01:26:21,333
Speaker 4: been fizzing on this challenge you're doing with your son

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01:26:21,492 --> 01:26:22,333
Speaker 4: called the Conqueror.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's been so good. It's been so fun

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01:26:26,452 --> 01:26:29,492
Speaker 2: just running across Middle Earth. And then I'm talking it

1802
01:26:29,612 --> 01:26:31,452
Speaker 2: up on air and saying it's a great option. And

1803
01:26:31,532 --> 01:26:33,652
Speaker 2: then it turns out that the guy that invented it

1804
01:26:33,692 --> 01:26:35,973
Speaker 2: as a key we entrepreneur. How good is that? And

1805
01:26:36,013 --> 01:26:37,012
Speaker 2: then we've tracked him down.

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01:26:36,973 --> 01:26:37,612
Speaker 3: We certainly have.

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01:26:37,772 --> 01:26:40,293
Speaker 4: His name is Adam our a years and he joins

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01:26:40,372 --> 01:26:42,692
Speaker 4: us on the line. Now, Adam, very good afternoon to you.

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01:26:43,732 --> 01:26:45,093
Speaker 7: Good afternoon to you too.

1810
01:26:45,532 --> 01:26:48,372
Speaker 2: Also, how did you come up with the idea for

1811
01:26:48,853 --> 01:26:51,132
Speaker 2: the conqueror challenges.

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01:26:52,013 --> 01:26:54,492
Speaker 7: Oh, just a bit of you know, frustration with my

1813
01:26:54,572 --> 01:26:58,052
Speaker 7: own exercise. Journey really started.

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01:26:58,333 --> 01:27:01,372
Speaker 20: We got a treadmill and wanted to get on it,

1815
01:27:01,452 --> 01:27:04,852
Speaker 20: but found it hard to keep motivated. So it was

1816
01:27:04,853 --> 01:27:06,652
Speaker 20: actually my wife got a map and put it on

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01:27:06,692 --> 01:27:08,732
Speaker 20: the wall of New Zealand, and then every time she

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01:27:08,853 --> 01:27:10,492
Speaker 20: did a bit of a you know, a walk on

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01:27:10,572 --> 01:27:14,412
Speaker 20: the treadmill, she kind of made a pathway and cumulatively

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01:27:14,492 --> 01:27:16,652
Speaker 20: did the length of New Zealand. And I gave it

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01:27:16,732 --> 01:27:20,013
Speaker 20: a go after her. But yeah, it wasn't quite doing

1822
01:27:20,093 --> 01:27:22,572
Speaker 20: it for me with paper and writing things down. So

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01:27:22,853 --> 01:27:24,652
Speaker 20: I thought there must be an app for this, went

1824
01:27:24,732 --> 01:27:28,253
Speaker 20: looking for one, couldn't find one, foolishly decided to start one,

1825
01:27:29,532 --> 01:27:32,572
Speaker 20: And yes, that was how we got there.

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01:27:32,492 --> 01:27:33,012
Speaker 7: With the idea.

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01:27:34,372 --> 01:27:38,092
Speaker 2: It's such a simple idea, but it's such a brilliant idea.

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01:27:38,412 --> 01:27:40,732
Speaker 2: So when I found it, I thought, wow, of course,

1829
01:27:40,853 --> 01:27:42,892
Speaker 2: what an amazing idea. And everyone wants to come up

1830
01:27:42,893 --> 01:27:45,973
Speaker 2: with an idea for an app, yes they do, but

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01:27:46,333 --> 01:27:48,652
Speaker 2: you guys manage to what was the first challenge that

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01:27:48,732 --> 01:27:51,253
Speaker 2: you turned into the actual app version of it?

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01:27:53,013 --> 01:27:55,412
Speaker 20: So it actually started under different names at the moment,

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01:27:55,452 --> 01:27:57,812
Speaker 20: it's called The Conqueror, which will be what Matt's doing.

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01:27:58,412 --> 01:28:01,213
Speaker 20: But it started as my virtual mission, which was where

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01:28:01,253 --> 01:28:03,612
Speaker 20: a person kind of decided which pathway they wanted to

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01:28:03,692 --> 01:28:06,492
Speaker 20: do themselves, and that was actually a barrier because there's

1838
01:28:06,492 --> 01:28:07,412
Speaker 20: sort of a bit of a pain in the ass

1839
01:28:07,452 --> 01:28:09,652
Speaker 20: for people to go and sit up their own map.

1840
01:28:10,732 --> 01:28:12,732
Speaker 20: And then everyone I sort of noticed was doing the

1841
01:28:12,933 --> 01:28:17,853
Speaker 20: same sorts of pathways. So then about twenty and sixteen

1842
01:28:18,692 --> 01:28:20,932
Speaker 20: came up with this idea which was called The Conqueror,

1843
01:28:20,973 --> 01:28:24,253
Speaker 20: which was basically a whole bunch of preset challenges, and

1844
01:28:24,372 --> 01:28:26,572
Speaker 20: I launched in the UK first, so we did the

1845
01:28:26,692 --> 01:28:29,852
Speaker 20: length of the UK and then into the US, which

1846
01:28:29,973 --> 01:28:32,932
Speaker 20: was Route sixty six, which so those were the first

1847
01:28:32,973 --> 01:28:35,492
Speaker 20: two challenges. Now were I think over one hundred and

1848
01:28:35,532 --> 01:28:40,013
Speaker 20: twenty around the world, including the virtual one, the sort

1849
01:28:40,053 --> 01:28:41,652
Speaker 20: of fantasy style ones like the Lord of the Rings

1850
01:28:41,692 --> 01:28:42,732
Speaker 20: and Harry Potter and all of that.

1851
01:28:43,253 --> 01:28:45,093
Speaker 3: How good. How many of the challenges have you done

1852
01:28:45,133 --> 01:28:45,772
Speaker 3: yourself at them?

1853
01:28:46,452 --> 01:28:49,612
Speaker 20: That's quite embarrassing to ask you, actually, so I'll probably

1854
01:28:49,612 --> 01:28:50,293
Speaker 20: done about three.

1855
01:28:50,612 --> 01:28:50,972
Speaker 5: It's good.

1856
01:28:51,053 --> 01:28:53,812
Speaker 20: Nutch, Yeah, I gave it a nuge. I just my

1857
01:28:53,893 --> 01:28:56,852
Speaker 20: body's not designed for that sort of exercise. I decided,

1858
01:28:56,893 --> 01:28:58,852
Speaker 20: but I'm glad that it is for a lot of people,

1859
01:28:59,093 --> 01:29:00,732
Speaker 20: and it's definitely helped whole bunch of people, you know,

1860
01:29:01,213 --> 01:29:03,053
Speaker 20: start and stick to exercise, which was the goal.

1861
01:29:03,612 --> 01:29:05,812
Speaker 2: The Lord of the Rings one that seems perfect because

1862
01:29:05,853 --> 01:29:07,532
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings is so much about the map

1863
01:29:07,973 --> 01:29:11,933
Speaker 2: of Yeah. Yeah, so what did you When did you

1864
01:29:12,013 --> 01:29:13,932
Speaker 2: get the Lord of the Rings tire and happening?

1865
01:29:14,612 --> 01:29:16,692
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was just a massive swing for the fence.

1866
01:29:17,772 --> 01:29:19,452
Speaker 20: I just was, you know, things are going pretty well

1867
01:29:19,572 --> 01:29:22,972
Speaker 20: after a really really rough start, and it was sort

1868
01:29:22,973 --> 01:29:25,013
Speaker 20: of getting it bit a momentum, and I thought, you

1869
01:29:25,133 --> 01:29:28,812
Speaker 20: know what, like Middle Earth is the perfect non real

1870
01:29:28,893 --> 01:29:34,133
Speaker 20: world challenge for us to do. And I literally just

1871
01:29:34,213 --> 01:29:37,812
Speaker 20: reached out to them by email and they got back

1872
01:29:37,853 --> 01:29:39,772
Speaker 20: to me and I had a call with the guy

1873
01:29:39,933 --> 01:29:42,333
Speaker 20: half an hour later and he was just fizzing on it,

1874
01:29:42,572 --> 01:29:44,732
Speaker 20: and then yeah, we just went from there. It was,

1875
01:29:44,772 --> 01:29:47,173
Speaker 20: honestly that one of the easiest things that I've ever done.

1876
01:29:48,612 --> 01:29:50,492
Speaker 20: It just I think it was just a whole bunch

1877
01:29:50,532 --> 01:29:54,333
Speaker 20: of stars aligning, getting the right person. They were probably

1878
01:29:54,412 --> 01:29:58,133
Speaker 20: looking for opportunities and this guy who I work with

1879
01:29:58,173 --> 01:30:00,173
Speaker 20: originally was a real legend and he just pushed it

1880
01:30:00,293 --> 01:30:00,972
Speaker 20: and yeah.

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01:30:00,772 --> 01:30:01,532
Speaker 7: It just made it happen.

1882
01:30:02,732 --> 01:30:04,532
Speaker 2: One of the coolest things about it is the physical

1883
01:30:04,572 --> 01:30:05,892
Speaker 2: side of it. So you sign up for the app,

1884
01:30:05,893 --> 01:30:08,932
Speaker 2: you're running around your neighborhood, but it's marking off the map.

1885
01:30:09,372 --> 01:30:11,572
Speaker 2: We get to breathe my son and I and then

1886
01:30:11,612 --> 01:30:14,492
Speaker 2: it triggers the metal Metal comes out. I bring it

1887
01:30:14,532 --> 01:30:17,492
Speaker 2: into work to show tailer because the middle so so cool.

1888
01:30:17,692 --> 01:30:20,052
Speaker 2: Beau turned around the back. You open open the metal

1889
01:30:20,173 --> 01:30:21,692
Speaker 2: envelope and it's got the one ring in it.

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01:30:22,133 --> 01:30:23,892
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the one. Now, now you have to get

1891
01:30:23,973 --> 01:30:24,812
Speaker 7: all five challenges.

1892
01:30:26,133 --> 01:30:30,772
Speaker 2: When did the when did that physical side come into it?

1893
01:30:30,933 --> 01:30:33,093
Speaker 2: Because that's that's great. When the when the when you're

1894
01:30:33,093 --> 01:30:34,852
Speaker 2: getting that actual thing that you can hold on too

1895
01:30:34,933 --> 01:30:35,932
Speaker 2: that you've done this challenge.

1896
01:30:36,612 --> 01:30:37,372
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1897
01:30:37,412 --> 01:30:39,812
Speaker 20: I Mean that was the whole Conqueror concept was was

1898
01:30:39,893 --> 01:30:42,692
Speaker 20: bringing right online offline connection.

1899
01:30:43,692 --> 01:30:45,133
Speaker 7: The cold metal thing came about.

1900
01:30:45,173 --> 01:30:47,372
Speaker 20: I was sort of, you know, depressively scrolling through Instagram

1901
01:30:47,412 --> 01:30:48,973
Speaker 20: one day when it was kind of failing, and I

1902
01:30:49,053 --> 01:30:51,893
Speaker 20: was looking all these people, you know, showing off the

1903
01:30:52,053 --> 01:30:55,333
Speaker 20: la real shitty as metals on a Monday, just these

1904
01:30:55,372 --> 01:30:57,812
Speaker 20: little trainy like things, you know, they're holding them up

1905
01:30:57,812 --> 01:30:59,652
Speaker 20: they're so proud and it's like, oh my god, you

1906
01:30:59,973 --> 01:31:01,852
Speaker 20: literally ran a marathon and that's all they gave you.

1907
01:31:03,612 --> 01:31:04,692
Speaker 7: So I kind of that was a little of.

1908
01:31:04,732 --> 01:31:06,293
Speaker 20: Light bulb moment when I was like, Nah, we're going

1909
01:31:06,372 --> 01:31:08,532
Speaker 20: to do like epic metal or something that actually, you know,

1910
01:31:08,772 --> 01:31:13,253
Speaker 20: really rewards the person for for their journey. So yeah,

1911
01:31:13,253 --> 01:31:15,012
Speaker 20: I just wanted to kind of do the best metals

1912
01:31:15,013 --> 01:31:17,213
Speaker 20: in the world, make them big, make them chunky, make

1913
01:31:17,253 --> 01:31:24,892
Speaker 20: them interactive, and yeah, yeah, I just wanted to kind

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01:31:24,933 --> 01:31:28,732
Speaker 20: of revolutionize the whole you know, metal component. I mean,

1915
01:31:28,772 --> 01:31:30,892
Speaker 20: a medal is it's a it's a it's an award

1916
01:31:30,933 --> 01:31:33,253
Speaker 20: for achievement, you know, and it should represent that in

1917
01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:35,133
Speaker 20: some way rather than just being this token thing. And

1918
01:31:35,173 --> 01:31:37,852
Speaker 20: if you're an event organizer, it literally is just a cost,

1919
01:31:37,933 --> 01:31:39,972
Speaker 20: you line item cost that you're just trying to minimize

1920
01:31:39,973 --> 01:31:40,612
Speaker 20: as much as you can.

1921
01:31:41,013 --> 01:31:44,612
Speaker 4: Yeah, stunning metal absolutely must make you incredibly proud at him.

1922
01:31:45,053 --> 01:31:47,253
Speaker 4: You know, you've created this thing, but the number of

1923
01:31:47,372 --> 01:31:50,093
Speaker 4: people that you've helped get out there and get exercise,

1924
01:31:50,133 --> 01:31:52,772
Speaker 4: which is incredibly good for them, that's got to give you.

1925
01:31:52,812 --> 01:31:53,372
Speaker 3: The feel goods.

1926
01:31:54,213 --> 01:31:54,572
Speaker 7: Definitely.

1927
01:31:55,173 --> 01:31:57,852
Speaker 20: Never, never my wildest dreams that I think it would

1928
01:31:57,893 --> 01:32:00,652
Speaker 20: reach this many people and have this much effect on them.

1929
01:32:02,013 --> 01:32:04,052
Speaker 20: I was kind of doing it, you know, originally for myself,

1930
01:32:04,213 --> 01:32:06,133
Speaker 20: and then I knew it would help some people. But

1931
01:32:06,692 --> 01:32:09,612
Speaker 20: it definitely is the key for motivation for a lot

1932
01:32:09,652 --> 01:32:12,093
Speaker 20: of our customers. I've tried everything, I've never been able

1933
01:32:12,133 --> 01:32:15,173
Speaker 20: to stick to exercise, and then I've picked this up

1934
01:32:15,253 --> 01:32:17,093
Speaker 20: and I've run with it and gone, hey, this is

1935
01:32:17,213 --> 01:32:19,173
Speaker 20: you know, this is this is as important as a

1936
01:32:19,213 --> 01:32:22,293
Speaker 20: pair of running shoes or a fitbit or whatever. It's

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01:32:22,333 --> 01:32:24,732
Speaker 20: like literally part of their their exercise setup.

1938
01:32:25,173 --> 01:32:27,692
Speaker 2: It's actually a beautiful thing because father and son, like

1939
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Speaker 2: I'm doing it with, It's just a great way for

1940
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Speaker 2: us to bond. He's more into that world than he

1941
01:32:32,333 --> 01:32:36,972
Speaker 2: is into the physical world, so he's a grais. You've

1942
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Speaker 2: done a fantastic thing, and congratulations that it's been successful.

1943
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Speaker 2: Good on you, And I'm just stoked that it's a

1944
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Speaker 2: key we that came up with it. I'm raving about

1945
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Speaker 2: this thing and then I find out which makes it

1946
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Speaker 2: doubletally amazing.

1947
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Speaker 7: Yeah, serves me with toy.

1948
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Speaker 20: Thank you, thanks so much, Thanks for being customer, and

1949
01:32:52,973 --> 01:32:55,053
Speaker 20: I'm glad that you're glad that you're loving it.

1950
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Speaker 7: And it's connecting you with your family as well.

1951
01:32:57,213 --> 01:32:59,972
Speaker 4: Adam, you're brilliant. You're an absolute legend. Thanks very much

1952
01:33:00,013 --> 01:33:02,333
Speaker 4: for having a chat with us. Go well and hopefully

1953
01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:03,213
Speaker 4: we'll catch up again soon.

1954
01:33:03,812 --> 01:33:04,652
Speaker 7: Awesome. Thanks guys.

1955
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Speaker 3: That is Adam l.

1956
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Speaker 4: Algiz, who is the creative for the Conqueror series and

1957
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Speaker 4: a keyw to boot. How good I mean simulation.

1958
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Speaker 2: Again, Matt Yeah, crazy right, yeah, amazing. Run around your

1959
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Speaker 2: neighborhood and marks it off the Middle Earth app.

1960
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Speaker 3: It's great.

1961
01:33:19,412 --> 01:33:21,293
Speaker 2: I'm in the Middle Earth map. It's fantastic.

1962
01:33:21,372 --> 01:33:23,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant Conker, Yes, go check it out. It's right.

1963
01:33:24,053 --> 01:33:27,053
Speaker 4: Headlines with Raylene are coming up, and very shortly we

1964
01:33:27,133 --> 01:33:30,173
Speaker 4: will be catching up with Mikey Havoc Push Push is

1965
01:33:30,333 --> 01:33:33,093
Speaker 4: coming back together. That's all coming up very soon. Stay

1966
01:33:33,213 --> 01:33:34,853
Speaker 4: right here, we'll be back shorty.

1967
01:33:36,532 --> 01:33:39,172
Speaker 5: Used talk said. Be headlines with your.

1968
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Speaker 17: Ride, New Zealand's number one taxi app. Download your Ride today.

1969
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Speaker 17: Politicians have spoken about unity at White tonguey as Heckels

1970
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Speaker 17: echoed Art during some speeches, including the Prime ministers. Dozens

1971
01:33:53,213 --> 01:33:55,412
Speaker 17: of schools have already applied for a one off grant

1972
01:33:55,492 --> 01:33:59,293
Speaker 17: to help cover the cost of removing asbestos contaminated sand.

1973
01:34:00,372 --> 01:34:03,732
Speaker 17: US President Donald Trump is bound to pressure pulling some

1974
01:34:03,973 --> 01:34:08,173
Speaker 17: Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE agents out of Minneapolis.

1975
01:34:08,772 --> 01:34:12,412
Speaker 17: Seven hundred ICE officers will be withdrawn immediately, but there's

1976
01:34:12,412 --> 01:34:15,492
Speaker 17: still more than two thousand immigration agents on the ground.

1977
01:34:16,732 --> 01:34:21,133
Speaker 17: Former Mackenzie District mayor Anne Munroe has died after being

1978
01:34:21,213 --> 01:34:26,173
Speaker 17: diagnosed with cancer two years ago. Westport's only airlink could

1979
01:34:26,213 --> 01:34:29,852
Speaker 17: be cut within months or Origin Air won't guarantee it's

1980
01:34:29,893 --> 01:34:33,452
Speaker 17: Westport Wellington service beyond May after failing to secure a

1981
01:34:33,532 --> 01:34:37,213
Speaker 17: government and local funding Polise, say a paper more. A

1982
01:34:37,253 --> 01:34:40,213
Speaker 17: woman missing in the Kaimai range since Tuesday has been

1983
01:34:40,293 --> 01:34:44,173
Speaker 17: found safe and well. They say Nicola O'Connor proactively made

1984
01:34:44,213 --> 01:34:48,412
Speaker 17: contact with them late this morning. Storms and holidays dent

1985
01:34:48,492 --> 01:34:52,213
Speaker 17: to modest rise in January retail spending Read more at

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Speaker 17: NSID Herald Premium. Now back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

1987
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It's twenty seven to four.

1988
01:34:58,812 --> 01:35:00,973
Speaker 2: How good is it that you find out that this

1989
01:35:01,213 --> 01:35:04,852
Speaker 2: app that's fantastic is made by a kiwi and then

1990
01:35:04,933 --> 01:35:06,492
Speaker 2: you just get hold of it, it'll jump on the

1991
01:35:06,572 --> 01:35:07,372
Speaker 2: radio five minutes.

1992
01:35:07,452 --> 01:35:10,372
Speaker 4: Yeah, make your brad Yeah, so key we so yeah,

1993
01:35:10,372 --> 01:35:11,812
Speaker 4: sure boys over here in New Zealand.

1994
01:35:11,933 --> 01:35:15,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, love to talk about in Australia down in Wellington

1995
01:35:15,452 --> 01:35:17,173
Speaker 2: because I'm going along to see Nick Caven the Bad

1996
01:35:17,253 --> 01:35:21,052
Speaker 2: Seeds tomorrow night. They're playing here tonight as well. Fantastic band.

1997
01:35:21,812 --> 01:35:24,893
Speaker 2: I think they've had seventeen albums, Nick Cave and the

1998
01:35:24,933 --> 01:35:28,093
Speaker 2: Bad Seeds, but their best one, in my opinion, is

1999
01:35:28,173 --> 01:35:31,412
Speaker 2: the latest one. So Nick Cave must be in his

2000
01:35:32,013 --> 01:35:34,812
Speaker 2: mid to late sixties, right, And how many musicians do

2001
01:35:34,933 --> 01:35:37,092
Speaker 2: their best work when they're in the mid to late sixties,

2002
01:35:37,572 --> 01:35:39,812
Speaker 2: just from Her to Eternity nine to eighty four to

2003
01:35:39,973 --> 01:35:41,892
Speaker 2: Wild God. This is the Wild God tour that he's

2004
01:35:43,013 --> 01:35:47,372
Speaker 2: traveling around now, so forty years on when that album

2005
01:35:47,452 --> 01:35:49,612
Speaker 2: came on, and it's just so fantastic. I'm so excited

2006
01:35:49,652 --> 01:35:51,972
Speaker 2: about that about the show tonight. But the thing about

2007
01:35:52,053 --> 01:35:54,892
Speaker 2: Nick Cave, if you're a fan, he's an incredible person

2008
01:35:55,412 --> 01:35:57,732
Speaker 2: as well. I think that's a big part of why

2009
01:35:57,973 --> 01:36:00,692
Speaker 2: Nick Cave fans like me absolutely love the man because

2010
01:36:00,692 --> 01:36:04,612
Speaker 2: he's such a thinker. He's brilliant and I heard this.

2011
01:36:05,812 --> 01:36:08,053
Speaker 2: He also has this thing that he does called that

2012
01:36:08,452 --> 01:36:11,492
Speaker 2: you can follow these newsletters at the Red Hand files

2013
01:36:11,933 --> 01:36:13,732
Speaker 2: go along and he just writes about certain things and

2014
01:36:13,772 --> 01:36:17,133
Speaker 2: answers any question. But I heard this one the other

2015
01:36:17,253 --> 01:36:19,372
Speaker 2: day and he read it out and this was his

2016
01:36:20,572 --> 01:36:22,772
Speaker 2: thoughts on hope, and I just thought it was such

2017
01:36:22,812 --> 01:36:26,612
Speaker 2: a brilliant, brilliant piece of writing that I wanted to

2018
01:36:26,652 --> 01:36:29,052
Speaker 2: play there just show how much I love the music,

2019
01:36:29,133 --> 01:36:31,133
Speaker 2: but how much I also love the man as well.

2020
01:36:31,853 --> 01:36:32,732
Speaker 7: So the question.

2021
01:36:33,333 --> 01:36:37,692
Speaker 21: Someone who has written in, called Valerio from Stockholm has

2022
01:36:37,732 --> 01:36:41,253
Speaker 21: written in saying, following the last few years, I'm feeling

2023
01:36:41,293 --> 01:36:45,293
Speaker 21: empty and more cynical than ever. I'm losing faith in

2024
01:36:45,412 --> 01:36:48,772
Speaker 21: other people, and I'm scared to pass these feelings onto

2025
01:36:48,853 --> 01:36:52,732
Speaker 21: my little son. Do you still believe in us human beings?

2026
01:36:53,732 --> 01:36:57,172
Speaker 21: So this is the letter that I wrote, Dear Valerio.

2027
01:36:57,973 --> 01:37:00,852
Speaker 21: Much of my early life was spent holding the world

2028
01:37:01,013 --> 01:37:03,812
Speaker 21: and the people in it in contempt. It was a

2029
01:37:03,893 --> 01:37:08,013
Speaker 21: position both seductive and indulgent. The truth is I was

2030
01:37:08,093 --> 01:37:10,812
Speaker 21: young and had no idea what was coming down the line.

2031
01:37:11,293 --> 01:37:14,692
Speaker 21: It took a devastation to teach me the preciousness of

2032
01:37:14,812 --> 01:37:18,293
Speaker 21: life and the essential goodness of people. It took a

2033
01:37:18,372 --> 01:37:22,333
Speaker 21: devastation to reveal the precariousness of the world of its

2034
01:37:22,492 --> 01:37:25,812
Speaker 21: very soul and to understand that the world was crying

2035
01:37:25,893 --> 01:37:29,452
Speaker 21: out for help. It took a devastation to understand the

2036
01:37:29,572 --> 01:37:32,732
Speaker 21: idea of mortal value, and it took a devastation to

2037
01:37:32,853 --> 01:37:39,533
Speaker 21: find hope. Unlike cynicism, hopefulness is hard, earned, makes demands

2038
01:37:39,612 --> 01:37:43,293
Speaker 21: upon us, and can often feel like the most indefensible

2039
01:37:43,412 --> 01:37:47,732
Speaker 21: and lonely place on earth. Hopefulness is not a neutral position.

2040
01:37:48,213 --> 01:37:52,133
Speaker 21: It is adversarial. It is the warrior emotion that can

2041
01:37:52,253 --> 01:37:57,213
Speaker 21: lay waste to cynicism. Each redemptive or loving act as

2042
01:37:57,293 --> 01:37:59,972
Speaker 21: small as you like, such as reading to your little

2043
01:38:00,053 --> 01:38:03,132
Speaker 21: boy or showing him a thing you love, or singing

2044
01:38:03,253 --> 01:38:06,173
Speaker 21: him a song or putting on his shoes, keeps the

2045
01:38:06,333 --> 01:38:09,692
Speaker 21: devil down in the hole. Says the world and its

2046
01:38:09,772 --> 01:38:13,812
Speaker 21: inhabitants have value and are worth defending. It says the

2047
01:38:13,933 --> 01:38:17,532
Speaker 21: world is worth believing in. In time we come to

2048
01:38:17,612 --> 01:38:20,012
Speaker 21: find that this is so love.

2049
01:38:20,133 --> 01:38:27,412
Speaker 3: Nick man, I jeepers mate that it's hard. It's really hard.

2050
01:38:27,492 --> 01:38:28,452
Speaker 3: I haven't heard that before.

2051
01:38:29,333 --> 01:38:34,053
Speaker 2: He's a great man, an incredible musician, an incredible lyricist,

2052
01:38:34,412 --> 01:38:38,572
Speaker 2: and just an incredible thinker. And I'm so very very

2053
01:38:38,652 --> 01:38:42,253
Speaker 2: excited about going to the concert in Wellington tomorrow night

2054
01:38:42,452 --> 01:38:45,133
Speaker 2: and those that are going tonight just I hope you

2055
01:38:46,133 --> 01:38:49,732
Speaker 2: have a religious experience there. Yeah, because the man is phenomenal.

2056
01:38:49,772 --> 01:38:51,012
Speaker 3: It's going to be a hell of a night, mate,

2057
01:38:51,133 --> 01:38:51,973
Speaker 3: very jealous right.

2058
01:38:52,053 --> 01:38:55,333
Speaker 4: Coming up after some messages, we're going to catch up

2059
01:38:55,372 --> 01:38:58,253
Speaker 4: with National Treasure Mikey Havoc. He's getting the band Push

2060
01:38:58,333 --> 01:39:00,692
Speaker 4: Push back together, so it's going to be great to

2061
01:39:00,812 --> 01:39:01,492
Speaker 4: chat with him.

2062
01:39:01,732 --> 01:39:04,092
Speaker 3: Very shortly. It is twenty three to four.

2063
01:39:04,652 --> 01:39:08,053
Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler with you as your afternoon rolls ont

2064
01:39:08,412 --> 01:39:10,812
Speaker 1: Dan Tyler Adams Afternoon SWI Skoda.

2065
01:39:10,973 --> 01:39:13,452
Speaker 5: Can you crack the code? Please go to codes every

2066
01:39:13,532 --> 01:39:26,812
Speaker 5: Day News Talks 'db Yeah, New Talks.

2067
01:39:27,133 --> 01:39:30,012
Speaker 4: Has been thirty five years since auband rock band Push

2068
01:39:30,093 --> 01:39:32,812
Speaker 4: Push hit the top of the charts with the iconic tripping.

2069
01:39:33,133 --> 01:39:35,133
Speaker 4: The band's now back together and hitting the road this

2070
01:39:35,293 --> 01:39:38,052
Speaker 4: month to celebrate, and they've got a brand new EP

2071
01:39:38,293 --> 01:39:41,133
Speaker 4: on the way to boot. How good frontman lyricists and

2072
01:39:41,253 --> 01:39:44,253
Speaker 4: all round National treasure Mikey Havak joins us now.

2073
01:39:44,492 --> 01:39:45,652
Speaker 3: Mikey, good afternoon.

2074
01:39:45,772 --> 01:39:47,333
Speaker 6: Oh, thank you, thank you very much. Thank you for

2075
01:39:47,372 --> 01:39:50,213
Speaker 6: having me too on this auspicious day, on the release

2076
01:39:50,333 --> 01:39:53,372
Speaker 6: day of our brand New eph How good.

2077
01:39:53,452 --> 01:39:55,692
Speaker 2: We'll get to that soon. Now, I just want to

2078
01:39:55,732 --> 01:39:59,013
Speaker 2: take you back to the you know when Push Push, Well,

2079
01:39:59,053 --> 01:40:01,532
Speaker 2: when I first saw Push Push, it was so different

2080
01:40:01,572 --> 01:40:03,933
Speaker 2: from anything else happening in New Zealand. The confidence that

2081
01:40:04,093 --> 01:40:09,612
Speaker 2: you guys bought to everything you did was like, it's

2082
01:40:09,652 --> 01:40:12,093
Speaker 2: hard for people to understand how different that was from

2083
01:40:12,133 --> 01:40:15,612
Speaker 2: what was going on there. So where did that confidence

2084
01:40:15,772 --> 01:40:19,333
Speaker 2: come from? For you guys just just be so different

2085
01:40:19,452 --> 01:40:22,412
Speaker 2: than the way New Zealanders were baving at the time.

2086
01:40:24,013 --> 01:40:26,293
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not, I'm not quite sure. I think

2087
01:40:26,333 --> 01:40:28,133
Speaker 6: about that a lot. Actually, I think about it because

2088
01:40:28,372 --> 01:40:31,093
Speaker 6: because it was so different, But at the same time

2089
01:40:31,173 --> 01:40:33,652
Speaker 6: it was it was really just latching onto how much

2090
01:40:33,652 --> 01:40:35,893
Speaker 6: of stuff that we were noticing from overseas and and

2091
01:40:36,013 --> 01:40:37,692
Speaker 6: music that would have listened to you know, that we

2092
01:40:37,772 --> 01:40:40,893
Speaker 6: were sort of discovering at that age. And I don't know,

2093
01:40:41,253 --> 01:40:44,053
Speaker 6: I think I think there was this initial sort of

2094
01:40:44,213 --> 01:40:46,892
Speaker 6: ridiculous or we don't really want to do anything else,

2095
01:40:47,013 --> 01:40:49,572
Speaker 6: bravado sort of thing, and then that sort of set

2096
01:40:49,612 --> 01:40:52,092
Speaker 6: that that sort of set the bar for the amount

2097
01:40:52,093 --> 01:40:53,932
Speaker 6: of effort that we put into it from then normal.

2098
01:40:54,372 --> 01:40:56,692
Speaker 6: When we when we first practiced with the only place

2099
01:40:56,732 --> 01:41:00,652
Speaker 6: we could practice work either in school classrooms in the

2100
01:41:00,692 --> 01:41:05,093
Speaker 6: weekends or at Andyogataris's dad's factory. But the stipulation was

2101
01:41:05,173 --> 01:41:07,253
Speaker 6: nobody else was allowed there, so it was only over

2102
01:41:07,372 --> 01:41:10,013
Speaker 6: us there regimented when we were there, so were it

2103
01:41:10,093 --> 01:41:11,893
Speaker 6: was like a real it was like sports practice, you know,

2104
01:41:12,612 --> 01:41:14,772
Speaker 6: and it was like it was it was like you

2105
01:41:14,812 --> 01:41:16,213
Speaker 6: turn up me and just said slog it out and

2106
01:41:16,293 --> 01:41:18,572
Speaker 6: and you know, so that's what we did every single

2107
01:41:18,893 --> 01:41:20,893
Speaker 6: a couple of days a week sort of thing for

2108
01:41:21,133 --> 01:41:22,973
Speaker 6: for a couple of years. And you know, we were

2109
01:41:23,133 --> 01:41:24,732
Speaker 6: terrible at the beginning, but we were, but then we

2110
01:41:25,013 --> 01:41:27,173
Speaker 6: got there was so much fun and god is what

2111
01:41:27,253 --> 01:41:29,852
Speaker 6: we would have done with that energy if we hadn't

2112
01:41:29,893 --> 01:41:32,812
Speaker 6: had done that. Likes that's that that weirds me out now,

2113
01:41:32,893 --> 01:41:34,572
Speaker 6: you know. Like and as far as the confidence and

2114
01:41:34,612 --> 01:41:36,452
Speaker 6: it goes, I think it was just it was kind

2115
01:41:36,452 --> 01:41:39,612
Speaker 6: of like we worked a lot of the people that

2116
01:41:39,732 --> 01:41:42,572
Speaker 6: were that were sort of enjoying the band as well,

2117
01:41:42,612 --> 01:41:44,652
Speaker 6: you know, like you know, somehow we managed to get

2118
01:41:44,692 --> 01:41:47,932
Speaker 6: ourselves to open for like before we even released any music,

2119
01:41:48,133 --> 01:41:50,892
Speaker 6: we would open for a Poison skooed Row and Alice

2120
01:41:50,933 --> 01:41:53,333
Speaker 6: Cooper Wow, and like the fact that we even got

2121
01:41:53,412 --> 01:41:56,133
Speaker 6: those gigs and that we didn't get booed off the

2122
01:41:56,173 --> 01:41:59,052
Speaker 6: stage was pretty that's pretty that's pretty good view confidence,

2123
01:41:59,053 --> 01:42:00,412
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. Like, so, I don't know

2124
01:42:00,893 --> 01:42:02,933
Speaker 6: that's that's kind of strange, but it was. It was

2125
01:42:03,053 --> 01:42:04,572
Speaker 6: just so much fun. Man, it was like it was

2126
01:42:04,612 --> 01:42:06,412
Speaker 6: a lot of fun and I kind of I kind

2127
01:42:06,452 --> 01:42:08,253
Speaker 6: of I know, personally for me, it was like, really

2128
01:42:08,612 --> 01:42:11,213
Speaker 6: it was quite nice of being different to whatever it

2129
01:42:11,293 --> 01:42:13,932
Speaker 6: was expecting, you know. And I've got to think that's

2130
01:42:14,253 --> 01:42:16,013
Speaker 6: why people pay attention to us.

2131
01:42:16,213 --> 01:42:18,412
Speaker 2: Been growing up in Dunedin and then you know the

2132
01:42:18,492 --> 01:42:22,053
Speaker 2: tripping video, the confidence, the energy that you're talking about.

2133
01:42:22,093 --> 01:42:25,173
Speaker 2: It makes sense that you guys were getting in together

2134
01:42:25,253 --> 01:42:28,612
Speaker 2: in classrooms because you hit that that video. It just

2135
01:42:29,173 --> 01:42:30,452
Speaker 2: smashed out of the screen.

2136
01:42:31,492 --> 01:42:33,772
Speaker 6: Had to because we had we had limited, limited time

2137
01:42:33,812 --> 01:42:35,452
Speaker 6: in the day to make it. We had hardly any

2138
01:42:35,492 --> 01:42:37,772
Speaker 6: money to make it with, and if we'd been any

2139
01:42:37,893 --> 01:42:40,532
Speaker 6: less enthusiastic than that, it wouldn't want.

2140
01:42:44,173 --> 01:42:45,333
Speaker 16: That's the only way it was going to do, the

2141
01:42:45,372 --> 01:42:46,892
Speaker 16: only way it was going to sort of work because

2142
01:42:46,893 --> 01:42:47,853
Speaker 16: it was revolutionary.

2143
01:42:47,933 --> 01:42:50,133
Speaker 2: But it was just a performance video. It was a

2144
01:42:50,173 --> 01:42:52,892
Speaker 2: performance video, but at the same time revolutionary, dude, how

2145
01:42:52,973 --> 01:42:55,052
Speaker 2: much you gave it well.

2146
01:42:55,053 --> 01:42:57,652
Speaker 6: And also also what you might not know, Matt, is

2147
01:42:57,732 --> 01:43:00,652
Speaker 6: that it was the cost us at the time cost

2148
01:43:00,692 --> 01:43:04,013
Speaker 6: US five thousand dollars to make, which was which was

2149
01:43:04,133 --> 01:43:06,053
Speaker 6: not not a lot of money, but because it got

2150
01:43:06,133 --> 01:43:09,692
Speaker 6: shown I think was seventy something times on TV that year,

2151
01:43:10,652 --> 01:43:13,973
Speaker 6: that's the that's the model that they used for the

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Speaker 6: New Zealand on their funding Ryan initially for music videos

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01:43:19,053 --> 01:43:21,692
Speaker 6: and for the New Zealand on models. Well, if these

2154
01:43:21,732 --> 01:43:24,053
Speaker 6: guys can make a video for five grand and get

2155
01:43:24,173 --> 01:43:26,612
Speaker 6: played that many, get to played that many times, then

2156
01:43:26,812 --> 01:43:30,052
Speaker 6: then if we give five grand to these new bands

2157
01:43:30,093 --> 01:43:32,932
Speaker 6: starting out, you know, then maybe they can do the same,

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01:43:33,053 --> 01:43:34,532
Speaker 6: which is quite cool. That's pretty cool, you know.

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01:43:34,772 --> 01:43:36,972
Speaker 2: And then it was five thousand for about fifteen years after.

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Speaker 4: Let's now mate, when you when you listen back to

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01:43:42,612 --> 01:43:44,732
Speaker 4: the likes of Tripping, I mean it took New Zealand

2162
01:43:44,772 --> 01:43:46,772
Speaker 4: by store, no doubt about it, and rapped up to

2163
01:43:46,853 --> 01:43:48,492
Speaker 4: the top of the charts. When you hear that song now,

2164
01:43:48,572 --> 01:43:50,892
Speaker 4: does it make make you feel like that was yesterday?

2165
01:43:51,013 --> 01:43:53,452
Speaker 4: Or is it a completely different lifetime for you now?

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01:43:54,013 --> 01:43:55,532
Speaker 6: When we when we play it in the like when

2167
01:43:55,572 --> 01:43:58,253
Speaker 6: we play it with each other and the like in

2168
01:43:58,333 --> 01:43:59,933
Speaker 6: the band and the practice room and stuff like that.

2169
01:44:01,253 --> 01:44:03,293
Speaker 6: That's a that's a full on that's it's actually it's

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01:44:03,372 --> 01:44:05,812
Speaker 6: wild help young. It makes you feel you know. But

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01:44:06,372 --> 01:44:09,253
Speaker 6: but yeah, I've come to I've come to really like

2172
01:44:09,372 --> 01:44:11,053
Speaker 6: over the years, as you have, you really come to

2173
01:44:11,133 --> 01:44:14,492
Speaker 6: appreciate why people liked it and how much. It's like,

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01:44:14,572 --> 01:44:17,372
Speaker 6: it blows me away that people still love it so much.

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01:44:17,452 --> 01:44:19,532
Speaker 6: And it's when you and when you come to come

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01:44:19,572 --> 01:44:21,852
Speaker 6: to understand that it for a lot of people at

2177
01:44:22,013 --> 01:44:24,732
Speaker 6: marked a certain point in their lives that they really liked,

2178
01:44:25,053 --> 01:44:27,893
Speaker 6: They really liked being around in the early nineties and

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01:44:27,973 --> 01:44:29,532
Speaker 6: it was a good time, you know, like life was

2180
01:44:29,532 --> 01:44:31,932
Speaker 6: good for them. They were teenagers or they were having

2181
01:44:31,973 --> 01:44:33,412
Speaker 6: fun and stuff like that, and it sort of marks

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01:44:33,452 --> 01:44:35,452
Speaker 6: and memory for them. And to be the song, to

2183
01:44:35,532 --> 01:44:38,932
Speaker 6: be the song that they choose for that, that's an

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01:44:38,973 --> 01:44:39,652
Speaker 6: incredible honor.

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Speaker 16: Man.

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Speaker 6: It's like it's and I think I love it more

2187
01:44:42,973 --> 01:44:45,133
Speaker 6: now than I've ever loved it. I think what made it?

2188
01:44:45,173 --> 01:44:47,053
Speaker 2: You feel like this is the right moment to head

2189
01:44:47,093 --> 01:44:48,572
Speaker 2: back out on the road again, and.

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01:44:50,253 --> 01:44:55,213
Speaker 6: Because it's not right but we're way too old and

2191
01:44:55,253 --> 01:44:57,372
Speaker 6: we were families and half a band of over in

2192
01:44:57,412 --> 01:45:01,812
Speaker 6: Australia and putting out music's completely different than it was

2193
01:45:01,973 --> 01:45:05,173
Speaker 6: when we first did it. And and you know we've

2194
01:45:05,173 --> 01:45:07,372
Speaker 6: written you songs and not supposed to do that when

2195
01:45:07,372 --> 01:45:09,013
Speaker 6: you're just old and did like I don't know, it's

2196
01:45:09,053 --> 01:45:11,532
Speaker 6: like it's I don't know, it's just something we we

2197
01:45:11,893 --> 01:45:14,213
Speaker 6: we came up, you know, we've sort of just for

2198
01:45:14,253 --> 01:45:16,532
Speaker 6: a long time, we didn't we sort of were apart

2199
01:45:16,572 --> 01:45:18,412
Speaker 6: from each other, like one days. We were in the

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01:45:18,452 --> 01:45:20,133
Speaker 6: same room for like twenty years at or five of

2201
01:45:20,253 --> 01:45:22,412
Speaker 6: us or once. But then but then when we did

2202
01:45:22,492 --> 01:45:24,013
Speaker 6: get together, it was just so much sort of like

2203
01:45:24,572 --> 01:45:26,293
Speaker 6: it just felt right and it just felt fun. And

2204
01:45:26,372 --> 01:45:29,333
Speaker 6: so we just started doing some jamming and then someone

2205
01:45:29,412 --> 01:45:31,053
Speaker 6: meet you and laws you do some song writing, and

2206
01:45:31,492 --> 01:45:33,253
Speaker 6: I scoffed at that thing, and good luck, and then

2207
01:45:33,532 --> 01:45:35,293
Speaker 6: it happened. You know, it didn't happen as quickly as

2208
01:45:35,333 --> 01:45:37,333
Speaker 6: it used to because we used to just stand there

2209
01:45:37,333 --> 01:45:38,812
Speaker 6: in the practice room and just stare at each other

2210
01:45:38,893 --> 01:45:42,812
Speaker 6: and basically just mentally critique each other sort of until

2211
01:45:42,853 --> 01:45:45,293
Speaker 6: we watch all the songs and into shape sort of thing.

2212
01:45:45,372 --> 01:45:47,053
Speaker 6: But this was that we had to do the sort

2213
01:45:47,093 --> 01:45:49,333
Speaker 6: of transpasmin and so that's a little bit longer. Plus

2214
01:45:49,412 --> 01:45:51,932
Speaker 6: when you're older, you have got a lot more things

2215
01:45:51,973 --> 01:45:53,692
Speaker 6: you want to say, and so what you do is

2216
01:45:53,933 --> 01:45:55,492
Speaker 6: say them all and then you just get rid of

2217
01:45:55,532 --> 01:45:56,973
Speaker 6: them all because it's just that no one has to

2218
01:45:57,053 --> 01:45:59,692
Speaker 6: hear all that. So so you just got to write

2219
01:45:59,692 --> 01:46:01,572
Speaker 6: a song again from as a song, you know, And

2220
01:46:01,812 --> 01:46:05,093
Speaker 6: that's pretty interesting thing to do. Never expected to be

2221
01:46:05,173 --> 01:46:07,532
Speaker 6: doing that again, you know. And so I don't know

2222
01:46:07,612 --> 01:46:10,293
Speaker 6: why now, but people are excited and just a little

2223
01:46:10,412 --> 01:46:13,492
Speaker 6: just a little clutch of of hard rock and shows

2224
01:46:13,572 --> 01:46:15,333
Speaker 6: that we're practicing really hard all.

2225
01:46:15,253 --> 01:46:17,053
Speaker 4: By the way, yeah, beautifully said, a lot of people

2226
01:46:17,133 --> 01:46:19,652
Speaker 4: fizzing for it. So glad to hear you're practicing hard. Like,

2227
01:46:19,933 --> 01:46:22,572
Speaker 4: let's talk about the new EP. So these songs span

2228
01:46:22,692 --> 01:46:25,253
Speaker 4: decades from the early nineties to stuff finished in twenty

2229
01:46:25,333 --> 01:46:28,293
Speaker 4: twenty four. What has it been like stitching together all

2230
01:46:28,372 --> 01:46:29,173
Speaker 4: that stuff for the EP?

2231
01:46:29,692 --> 01:46:33,173
Speaker 6: I kind of feel like there's one there's sort of

2232
01:46:33,253 --> 01:46:34,973
Speaker 6: one song which is like a reboot of one of

2233
01:46:35,013 --> 01:46:37,932
Speaker 6: the songs that we did on our original album, which

2234
01:46:37,973 --> 01:46:42,612
Speaker 6: came out in ninety two. In ninety two, remember back

2235
01:46:42,652 --> 01:46:48,692
Speaker 6: in ninety two, Beyond two thousand and and then the

2236
01:46:48,772 --> 01:46:51,572
Speaker 6: other four, like two of them are the three of

2237
01:46:51,572 --> 01:46:53,932
Speaker 6: them are pretty much brand new, and one's a germ

2238
01:46:54,692 --> 01:46:57,093
Speaker 6: of a song that we have we have played live

2239
01:46:57,133 --> 01:46:59,572
Speaker 6: a couple of times, and really life we've just sort

2240
01:46:59,612 --> 01:47:02,852
Speaker 6: of made it to something special now and it's like

2241
01:47:03,253 --> 01:47:05,572
Speaker 6: I feel I feel like the new songs anyway, but

2242
01:47:06,093 --> 01:47:09,532
Speaker 6: most like the Truth, which is a single that's like

2243
01:47:09,612 --> 01:47:13,293
Speaker 6: pretty much that's twenty twenty four we wrote that, Yeah,

2244
01:47:13,333 --> 01:47:15,812
Speaker 6: and yeah, about about three and three of them I

2245
01:47:15,893 --> 01:47:18,933
Speaker 6: say would be brand new of the five, which just

2246
01:47:18,973 --> 01:47:19,812
Speaker 6: pretty good, eh.

2247
01:47:19,812 --> 01:47:23,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good, pretty good. Speaking of great and good,

2248
01:47:24,452 --> 01:47:26,852
Speaker 2: back when you first were touring New Zealand, you played

2249
01:47:26,933 --> 01:47:29,572
Speaker 2: the show in Duneda and me and my Bogan mates

2250
01:47:29,612 --> 01:47:32,933
Speaker 2: went along and it was fantastic. It was, It was phenomenal.

2251
01:47:33,293 --> 01:47:35,932
Speaker 2: It was at a I think it was at a restaurant.

2252
01:47:35,973 --> 01:47:37,452
Speaker 2: It was at a venue that no one had ever

2253
01:47:37,532 --> 01:47:42,452
Speaker 2: played before, and it just absolutely went off. It was packed.

2254
01:47:42,452 --> 01:47:45,532
Speaker 2: Have you got any memories of this gig? It wasn't

2255
01:47:45,772 --> 01:47:48,173
Speaker 2: in a venue as it normally would.

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01:47:48,253 --> 01:47:49,452
Speaker 8: It wasn't.

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01:47:50,853 --> 01:47:52,452
Speaker 2: I would have remembered if it was Sammy's because I

2258
01:47:52,452 --> 01:47:54,733
Speaker 2: went to say, how many times did you play in Dunedin.

2259
01:47:56,013 --> 01:48:00,972
Speaker 6: Like times. But there must be something we played before

2260
01:48:01,053 --> 01:48:01,852
Speaker 6: set where we was.

2261
01:48:02,053 --> 01:48:05,293
Speaker 3: We was it felt like a lone staff that would

2262
01:48:05,293 --> 01:48:05,972
Speaker 3: be a hell of a show.

2263
01:48:07,173 --> 01:48:10,372
Speaker 6: Well, I can't remember with the terminus of that.

2264
01:48:11,492 --> 01:48:14,253
Speaker 2: It was down there of it it was it was

2265
01:48:14,532 --> 01:48:17,013
Speaker 2: south of the oct and anyway, the key point is

2266
01:48:17,452 --> 01:48:19,253
Speaker 2: you ripped it a new one and it was. It

2267
01:48:19,412 --> 01:48:21,852
Speaker 2: was quite a quite a show. Me and about four

2268
01:48:21,893 --> 01:48:23,052
Speaker 2: mats were on top of a table.

2269
01:48:23,652 --> 01:48:25,253
Speaker 15: Uh, your man.

2270
01:48:25,612 --> 01:48:27,973
Speaker 2: We were dangerously steamed. We couldn't believe that there was

2271
01:48:28,053 --> 01:48:30,213
Speaker 2: a New Zealand band. That was because we were used

2272
01:48:30,213 --> 01:48:33,333
Speaker 2: to the need and music scene. We conclude that someone

2273
01:48:33,333 --> 01:48:36,012
Speaker 2: had turned up to entertain us. We couldn't have been happier.

2274
01:48:36,492 --> 01:48:38,972
Speaker 6: Oh I do that's major men you are today?

2275
01:48:39,372 --> 01:48:41,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, making dreams happen then in South Dneda.

2276
01:48:42,053 --> 01:48:44,412
Speaker 2: I think it probably did. And I think your radio

2277
01:48:44,492 --> 01:48:46,652
Speaker 2: broadcasting also made me the man I am today as well.

2278
01:48:46,732 --> 01:48:49,732
Speaker 2: So I owe a lot to you, Mikey, Thank you mate,

2279
01:48:49,893 --> 01:48:50,452
Speaker 2: Thank you mate.

2280
01:48:50,612 --> 01:48:52,572
Speaker 6: Now mate, coming to the I just want you to

2281
01:48:52,612 --> 01:48:53,093
Speaker 6: come to the show.

2282
01:48:53,253 --> 01:48:53,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will be.

2283
01:48:54,133 --> 01:48:57,012
Speaker 3: Will be there front and see that shows. Yeah, finally

2284
01:48:57,093 --> 01:48:59,213
Speaker 3: my key. So the brand new single to drop today

2285
01:48:59,333 --> 01:49:01,492
Speaker 3: what do you hope fans hear or feel when they

2286
01:49:01,572 --> 01:49:02,053
Speaker 3: press play?

2287
01:49:02,333 --> 01:49:03,652
Speaker 6: I just want them to enjoy. I just wanted to

2288
01:49:03,732 --> 01:49:05,412
Speaker 6: listen to it and go, hey, that doesn't sound like

2289
01:49:05,492 --> 01:49:10,132
Speaker 6: you know, sounds like maybe like what Pushed would do nowadays.

2290
01:49:10,213 --> 01:49:13,412
Speaker 6: You know, it's and I won't say anything. I won't

2291
01:49:13,532 --> 01:49:15,333
Speaker 6: go into what the song is about apart from it's

2292
01:49:15,372 --> 01:49:18,812
Speaker 6: just it's just a sage warning in these times to

2293
01:49:19,933 --> 01:49:22,173
Speaker 6: just just be careful what you're putting into your head.

2294
01:49:22,412 --> 01:49:23,492
Speaker 6: You know, I think everyone did it.

2295
01:49:23,572 --> 01:49:23,692
Speaker 16: Man.

2296
01:49:24,772 --> 01:49:25,892
Speaker 6: If you don't try to listen, good.

2297
01:49:25,772 --> 01:49:27,372
Speaker 5: Again and then you do them too, right.

2298
01:49:27,612 --> 01:49:29,652
Speaker 4: We are absolutely, Mikey. We're going to play some of

2299
01:49:29,692 --> 01:49:32,213
Speaker 4: that very shortly as well, So Push Push. They are

2300
01:49:32,253 --> 01:49:35,932
Speaker 4: playing four shows over February Thursday, February nineteen, Last Place

2301
01:49:35,973 --> 01:49:39,692
Speaker 4: in Hamilton, Friday February twentieth, Double Whammy and Auckland, Saturday

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01:49:39,772 --> 01:49:43,813
Speaker 4: the twenty first at the original Kaipit Tavern in Helensville

2303
01:49:44,013 --> 01:49:46,932
Speaker 4: and Sunday the February twenty second and tortal As Street,

2304
01:49:47,013 --> 01:49:49,333
Speaker 4: Mount mong and Nui. If you want to get your tickets,

2305
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Speaker 4: just go to event finder, dot co, dot n Z.

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01:49:51,893 --> 01:49:54,092
Speaker 4: It's going to be a hell of a show. Mikey,

2307
01:49:54,133 --> 01:49:55,333
Speaker 4: have it fantastic to catch up.

2308
01:49:55,412 --> 01:49:57,333
Speaker 6: Thank you very much for having me, and thanks to

2309
01:49:57,492 --> 01:50:00,213
Speaker 6: everybody that's been into the band for this long. This

2310
01:50:00,853 --> 01:50:02,372
Speaker 6: could be the last time we played together. So just

2311
01:50:03,013 --> 01:50:04,492
Speaker 6: there's your opportunity to come.

2312
01:50:04,452 --> 01:50:04,772
Speaker 11: And see us.

2313
01:50:04,812 --> 01:50:07,772
Speaker 4: Now, come on, absolutely, go go get down there see

2314
01:50:07,812 --> 01:50:11,053
Speaker 4: Push Push four shows this month of February. If you

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01:50:11,093 --> 01:50:15,333
Speaker 4: want tickets, go to eventfinder dot co dot nz. Mikey Havoc.

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01:50:15,372 --> 01:50:16,973
Speaker 4: What an absolute legend it is.

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01:50:17,133 --> 01:50:17,692
Speaker 3: Nine to four.

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Speaker 5: Are you ready to crack the Scotera code?

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Speaker 4: So if you've been to the scoter website for today's

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Speaker 4: Scoter code but needs some help, here is your clue

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Speaker 4: for today. Cyclists in the Tour de France, go buy

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Speaker 4: de France, go buy in a blur slightly cryptic clue today.

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Speaker 4: But we're confident you'll crack the code. Make sure you're

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Speaker 4: You're listening to news talks edb back very shortly, the.

2330
01:50:56,093 --> 01:50:59,972
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

2331
01:51:00,053 --> 01:51:00,532
Speaker 1: in between.

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01:51:00,772 --> 01:51:04,452
Speaker 5: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used TALKSB.

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01:51:04,893 --> 01:51:09,133
Speaker 2: News TALKSB. It is five to four and that brings

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01:51:09,213 --> 01:51:11,653
Speaker 2: us the end of the show. Have a great long weekend.

2335
01:51:11,772 --> 01:51:14,173
Speaker 2: If you're getting the weekend off. Tyler and I will

2336
01:51:14,173 --> 01:51:18,852
Speaker 2: be back live twelve o'clock Monday with four hours of

2337
01:51:19,013 --> 01:51:21,412
Speaker 2: conversation For you're looking forward to that, ye wee, not

2338
01:51:21,452 --> 01:51:22,932
Speaker 2: as much as I'm looking forward to the cave.

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01:51:23,372 --> 01:51:25,173
Speaker 3: Go well down and Wellington made. It's going to be

2340
01:51:25,213 --> 01:51:26,732
Speaker 3: a hell of a show right now.

2341
01:51:26,853 --> 01:51:29,852
Speaker 4: Though, we are playing the brand new EP from Push

2342
01:51:29,973 --> 01:51:33,293
Speaker 4: Push a reminder they're playing four shows this February. This

2343
01:51:33,532 --> 01:51:36,532
Speaker 4: song is called the Truth I reckon. It's a banger,

2344
01:51:36,612 --> 01:51:40,012
Speaker 4: but let's crank it. Have a great weekend, see next week.

2345
01:52:41,213 --> 01:52:42,812
Speaker 12: Don't trust it.

2346
01:52:42,933 --> 01:52:48,852
Speaker 1: In the way about the story, I'll see you will

2347
01:52:48,893 --> 01:52:50,852
Speaker 1: be in You don't seeve you.

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Speaker 12: Take y.

2349
01:52:56,572 --> 01:52:57,733
Speaker 13: Up people.

2350
01:52:59,853 --> 01:53:03,173
Speaker 6: And the captain the promise they loved yourself and they

2351
01:53:03,293 --> 01:53:03,732
Speaker 6: loved you.

2352
01:53:04,013 --> 01:53:05,013
Speaker 5: Welth and up.

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Speaker 17: Him up mm hmmm.

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