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Speaker 1: The government at last has decided to move against those

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Speaker 1: who don't pay their court fines. New technology is going

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Speaker 1: to scan number plates have parked cars and we'll clamp

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Speaker 1: or sees those with unpaid fines going to be trial

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Speaker 1: as of this weekend, will include police checkpoints. The Justice

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Speaker 1: Minisipaul Goldsmith is with us on this very good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: Let's deal with this first. The technology is that new.

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Speaker 1: Who's got it and how they're using it?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the court bailiffs who have it, and so

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Speaker 2: they'll be alongside the police at checkpoints from tonight in

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Speaker 2: some places and scanning things. And you haven't paid your fine,

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Speaker 2: you better get yourself an uber or something like that

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Speaker 2: to get home because your car can be clamped. And

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Speaker 2: you know, we've talked to you in the past about

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Speaker 2: how frustrating it is that people get fines and court

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Speaker 2: reparations they don't pay them. They paid two dollars a week,

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Speaker 2: or they don't pay them at all, and we needed

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Speaker 2: some more rigor in the system and this is part

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 1: Can be clamped or will be clamped.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a judgment for the bailiff at any time.

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Speaker 2: But yes, they'll be clamping them, so all towed away and.

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Speaker 1: Take it off. When you say scan, is it like

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Speaker 1: a scanner at the supermarket? I do, yeah, to scan

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Speaker 1: the So go to a computer system and it'll go

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Speaker 1: there's Bob and he owes US three two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty bucks.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and then bring out the clamp.

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Speaker 1: Okay, simple as that. What are you going to do

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Speaker 1: with the cars?

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Speaker 2: Well, ultimately they can be sold or they can be

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Speaker 2: held on to to people pay their fines.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there will be a lot of cars

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Speaker 1: actually clamped? In other words, will this be effected?

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Speaker 2: Well? I hope there is, because the message needs to

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Speaker 2: get through that, you know, the rest of the country

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Speaker 2: sick of people not paying their fines and not dealing

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Speaker 2: with the consequences of the things that they've done.

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Speaker 1: How many people are we dealing with? Is it like crime?

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Speaker 1: Generally it's a small group of the same people over

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Speaker 1: and over.

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Speaker 2: I've add the exact figure, but there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of Look, there's more than one hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 2: one hundred million of unpaid fines. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: money there that needs to be collected.

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Speaker 1: Okay. The other matter is, of course, this morning, this

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Speaker 1: business of electoral reform. The most controversial bit I suppose

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Speaker 1: is that you can't enroll on the day anymore, which

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Speaker 1: is a shame, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, look in a perfect world that would be easy,

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Speaker 2: but it isn't that. You might recall that we used

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Speaker 2: to have the final outcome of elections two weeks after

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Speaker 2: the election date. Then it was three weeks last time.

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Speaker 2: All my advice is that we're going to even struggle

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Speaker 2: to get that. It might be into four weeks. And

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Speaker 2: if you're waiting for that long to actually find out

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Speaker 2: the final result before you start the coalitions, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of uncertainty, and the system is under an enormous

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Speaker 2: pressure because if people enroll on election day, then that

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Speaker 2: enrollment has to be checked before the final votes are counted.

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Speaker 2: It's all complicated. We don't think it's at all unreasonable.

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Speaker 2: In other countries they do it. They just have a

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Speaker 2: deadline before voting starts and you've got to be enrolled.

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Speaker 1: Is there any move anywhere at high levels to move

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Speaker 1: us more towards tech or we're so scared of tech

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Speaker 1: that it wouldn't work on the day that we've given

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Speaker 2: I've encouraged the Electoral Commission to start working very much

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Speaker 2: quickly on vote counting, electronic vote counting, that's first step. Actually,

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Speaker 2: the electronic voting has lots of security sort of issues

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Speaker 2: around it as well. I don't think we're ready to

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Speaker 2: do that. I think we do need to make greater

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Speaker 2: use of technology.

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Speaker 1: Why we like Germany because when the polls closed in Germany,

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen a German election at six o'clock?

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Speaker 1: At six o one, they give you the result.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Germans are very efficient.

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Speaker 1: Why, it's a very good question.

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Speaker 2: And we've got a system that's a very sort of

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Speaker 2: old fashioned and there's a lot of work to be

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Speaker 2: done to turn it around. And so the starting point

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Speaker 2: is to take a little bit of pressure off by

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Speaker 2: making these changes. And there's a whole lot of other things.

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Speaker 2: I mean that the law requires them to send letters

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Speaker 2: out of vast volumes and things of that at enormous costs,

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Speaker 2: and so we're changing that so you can send emails.

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Speaker 1: So Andrew Getters was on and he claims it's a

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Speaker 1: fact that left wing voters are the more disorganized of us,

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Speaker 1: and therefore the late thing's going to break your way.

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Speaker 1: Do you accept that in any way or not.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, it's impossible to tell because people will change

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Speaker 2: their behavior at the moment they've been told doesn't matter,

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Speaker 2: you don't need to enroll. You can just rock up

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Speaker 2: and vote and you can enroll yourself at that time.

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Speaker 2: We're going to send a different message now, which is

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Speaker 2: if you want to vote, you need to get enrolled.

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Speaker 2: And people will change their behavior. And I'm sure if

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Speaker 2: a party was to go out and say that our

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Speaker 2: voters are uniquely incapable of getting enrolled, well, that's a

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Speaker 2: very strange way to treat your voters.

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Speaker 1: The food thing that was that a major consume within

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Speaker 1: the government, drink and all.

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Speaker 2: That, well, I mean, look that there were a couple

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Speaker 2: of examples where it was pretty messy. And we want

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Speaker 2: to be very clear that we can't have treating we

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Speaker 2: can't have people offering incentives to come and vote.

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Speaker 1: Right, I haven't got to get us gave us a

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Speaker 1: decent answer to it. But this business comes out of

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Speaker 1: timmicky macaro. Of course, if the serious fraud officers come

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Speaker 1: back and they find something, you know, really bad that

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Speaker 1: has happened there. We don't appear to have a law

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Speaker 1: in this country that allows the result to be revisited. So,

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Speaker 1: in other words, you can steal an election and then

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Speaker 1: nothing happens to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, no, there is. They could have had a

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Speaker 2: formal recounter or a.

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Speaker 1: This that that handed thirty days look at whether the

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Speaker 1: investigation is ye, yes, well I mean yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, so say they find something really bad.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a mechanism in this country. They say

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Speaker 1: they stole the election and we know that, yes, and

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Speaker 1: that's what they find and the charges are laid and

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Speaker 1: it's off to the court. You can't do anything about

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Speaker 1: fixing that. It's the weirdest thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, I suppose you've got to have some certainty and

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Speaker 2: things move on. But it's a fair point thirty days

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Speaker 2: as an artificial time frame, and we could argue about that.

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Speaker 1: Right now, what about yesterday? What do you want to

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Speaker 1: tell me about yesterday? What happened yesterday? Well, you were

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Speaker 1: in the house and I was watching you, yes, and

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Speaker 1: you were asked questions. Now, what happened was interesting for

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Speaker 1: people who didn't watch the house, and I do you said,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote Paul Goldsmith that you listen to Morning Report

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Speaker 1: every morning and you find it in what was your

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Speaker 1: word and highly motivational. Highly motivational. Now the product, now

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Speaker 1: there's nothing right. The personal choice is fine. You can

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Speaker 1: listen to what it is that doesn't say I don't

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Speaker 1: listen to you from no, don't try and call your

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Speaker 1: way out of this. So you said highly motivational and

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Speaker 1: everyone burst out laughing. Now did they burst out laughing

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Speaker 1: because of course that's fascical or did they burst out

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Speaker 1: laughing because you're an unusual person who finds it motivational?

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Speaker 2: Well, now, I remember telling Guy and Esmond at once

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Speaker 2: I listened to him and I listened only for a

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Speaker 2: short time, and I get angry, and that gets me

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Speaker 2: motivated for the day. And so that was that was.

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Speaker 2: It was a cheap shot. And look, the media and

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Speaker 2: I think all told, we're well served by the media

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand, and I appreciate the work that you do,

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Speaker 2: particularly well served by some more than others. Though. Well,

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Speaker 2: there's no question that you're a highly successful show that

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Speaker 2: show the people. The people vote with their feet, don't they.

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Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's how it works.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see you have a good weekend. Justice Minister

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Speaker 1: Paul Goldsmith

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