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Speaker 2: Hello, are you going to New Zealanism? And Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Full Show Podcasts Number one forty four, Friday,

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Speaker 2: the sixth of June twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today.

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Speaker 2: It was like it was like trying to it was

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Speaker 2: like a rodeo trying to hold on to that first topic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty tough staying on that ball.

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Speaker 2: About previous about politicians, retired politicians or ex politicians having

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Speaker 2: to say about things. Yeah, it got into a deep

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Speaker 2: philosophical chat about whether Trump is a dictator or not.

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Speaker 2: And like, I just got to say this before we

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Speaker 2: get to it. You know, if you say anything about

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Speaker 2: Trump that isn't just pure spitting victor vitriol, then people

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Speaker 2: accuse you of supporting Trump. But you can say that

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Speaker 2: Trump isn't a dictator because he was elected yep, and

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Speaker 2: because there is the still the three Let's not get.

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Speaker 3: Anyway anyway, skit off social media, stop listening to what

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Speaker 3: they're feeding you.

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Speaker 2: If you can't see that China is a dictatorship and

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Speaker 2: for all its flaws America isn't then I feel like

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Speaker 2: you might be in a bubble. Yeah, but then again,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm in a freaking bubble.

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Speaker 3: It's a crazy old world. It's crazy old Well and

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Speaker 3: in an awesome chat about New Zealand's greatest day of

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Speaker 3: a sporting coach.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed today. So I hope you enjoy the pod.

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Speaker 3: Yes, download, subscribe, hang in a minute, give us a review.

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Speaker 3: I'm still a bit dusty after the last night to y.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do we celebrate how many? How many awards I

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Speaker 2: wont at the radio awards on the show.

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Speaker 3: You will find out. So he was up for sex.

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Speaker 3: You'll find out how many he won.

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Speaker 2: We do celebrate there? Oh good, I forgot it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we didn't celebrate it enough multiple times. Love

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Speaker 5: Stories, the league issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: And Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk said me, good afternoon to you. Welcome into Friday's show,

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Speaker 3: seven past one. Hope you're doing fantastic wherever you're listening

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Speaker 3: in the country. Get a Mets, get a Tyler good

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Speaker 3: a great New Zealanders and welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: So good to be here today.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and what a night last night the New Zealand

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Speaker 3: radi on Podcast awards and Matt Heath, well done, mate,

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Speaker 3: well done, Thank you, good night for Matt Heath.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look and we won a few and look that that

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Speaker 2: was fantastic. Yeah. And when we say when I say we,

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Speaker 2: I mean me. Yeah. But also news Storks heb did

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Speaker 2: very well and congratulations to hear the Dupercy Ellen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: fantastic from here, Ye, fantastic.

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Speaker 3: She got the supe Paul Holmes Award, which is a

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Speaker 2: I mean the biggest award I got was the Blackie

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Speaker 2: won the prize for the Pino wa movement. Yes, which

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Speaker 2: But man, it was it was. It was a long time.

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Speaker 3: Onto Today's show, as we always do on Friday, after

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Speaker 3: three o'clock New Zealander of the Week.

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Speaker 2: The jury is still in deliberation. Yes, that's right. So

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that after three o'clock. Also after three

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Speaker 3: o'clock Gary Stead. His replacement has now been named Rob Walter,

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Speaker 3: former South Africa at Tigo Central District's boss. But no

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Speaker 3: doubt Gary Stead will go down as one of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. What is the greatest ever coach in

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Speaker 2: Carriton's coach. Yep, you know Don Trickle trackle softball coach. Yes,

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Speaker 2: of course, Sir Stephen Hanson big yes, in the mix.

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Speaker 2: But who was our greatest ever ever coach?

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Speaker 3: I saw Gordon Kitchens in there. Gordon Titchens was a

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Speaker 2: Old man Titchens. Yes. Pushing people so hard that they

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Speaker 2: Does anyone support these open plan classrooms? You know what

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Speaker 2: Are they still building them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you had a choice, would you pay

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Speaker 3: Yeah that is after two o'clock. Looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about this. Open letters.

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Speaker 3: So the statement in the form of an open letter

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Speaker 3: Sir Jeffrey Palmer and Helen Clark, National leader Don Brash,

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Speaker 3: It has been published as an advertisement in various newspapers

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's foreign policy with China. So Winston Peters has

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Speaker 3: For a good afternoon to you. It's twenty past one.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about an open letter that has been addressed

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I said before that Bill English when he

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Speaker 3: Different to me, absolutely, it's different if any of these

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Speaker 2: And you'd have to say that Helen Clarke has been

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Speaker 9: Tell how you going? Like Matt just reading this letter,

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm ready between greg, I'm ready between the lines here.

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Speaker 9: The US They're not without fault. We all realize that

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Speaker 9: I think it's really stupid, as I've just said that

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Speaker 9: Well, they're not democracy, are they in your silence. Look

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Speaker 10: I'm measuring the three.

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Speaker 9: And who was just a pull by it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Greg, so that

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Speaker 2: this Texas says here, actually I'll respond to this text

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Speaker 2: When we get back. But one hundred at eighty ten eighty,

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking break.

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Speaker 11: For Parliament, endorse the Privileges Committee recommendation around the Mallory

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Speaker 12: Which it's not about the Harker, It's not about there

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Speaker 2: That's the arrogance of it, isn't it.

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Speaker 11: I don't I can't work out whether they want to

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Speaker 2: In other words, I I just don't take them seriously.

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Speaker 11: I just I'm so fed up and sick of the

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Speaker 3: We're talking about this open letter addressed to the Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister Christopher Lux and it has been signed by Helen Clark's,

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Speaker 3: They effectively target Winston Peters, but our foreign policy when

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Speaker 3: And we'll read you a little bit of that letter shortly,

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, someone says, Matt, you are totally negative about

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Speaker 2: Helen Clark. You run her down weekly, sometimes daily, have

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Speaker 2: her on your show. She's a good person. I've met

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Speaker 2: Helen Clark a number of times. In fact, once in

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Speaker 2: an event, I spilt a glass of wine on her

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Speaker 2: feet and I was surprised that I wasn't attacked by

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Speaker 2: diplomatic services. And I have a lot of respect for

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Speaker 2: Helen Clark, but I live in near Eden Park and

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Speaker 2: her dishonest and in hypocritical way that she behaved around

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Speaker 2: how Eden Park wanted to do concerts just shock me.

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Speaker 2: It shocked me. It seemed to be the exact opposite

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Speaker 2: of what she had believed in the past. And then

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Speaker 2: since then I've been looking at her responses to things,

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Speaker 2: and she's not the Helen Clark that I thought was

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Speaker 2: a reason to good and solid prime minister back in

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Speaker 2: the day. She's not that person anymore. And if you

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Speaker 2: if you watch this, this interview with her on three now,

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Speaker 2: I believe you know what what was it on.

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Speaker 3: It was on It was Samantha Hayes. So yeah, if

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Speaker 3: you google it.

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Speaker 2: You be able to see that interview, and I think

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Speaker 2: you will be surprised that some of the conspiracy theories

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Speaker 2: that she she spouts out as if as if they're

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Speaker 2: the truth. And it makes me think that she's been

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Speaker 2: in a bubble. And if I was Helen Clark, I

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Speaker 2: might try and spend more time with different people and

461
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Speaker 2: maybe cleanse her algorithm, decase your computer, and maybe read

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Speaker 2: a couple of other things. That's good advice for a

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Speaker 2: lot of people. Things that she was saying have been

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Speaker 2: very very adequately debunked.

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Speaker 3: How did you spare one on her feet?

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Speaker 2: By the way, I was at the launch of a

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Speaker 2: New Zealand music initiative and I just went over to

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Speaker 2: say hello, because you know, I wanted to talk to

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. Just a little bit stumble on the

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Speaker 2: nervous Yeah, no, a bit drunk, yep standard. He just

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Speaker 2: tripped a little bit and splashed a little bit on it.

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Speaker 2: And what did she say? Well, I got to say

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Speaker 2: she was very magnanimous about it. Yeah this is a

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Speaker 2: long long time ago. Yeah yeah, times changed now yeah

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Speaker 2: yeah at that point she you know, she didn't get

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Speaker 2: me shot or anything.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

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Speaker 3: I just want to read out a bit of this

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Speaker 3: letter here. So the joint letter singles out Winston Peters

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Speaker 3: for what it's his a statements he made which seek

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Speaker 3: to position New Zealand alongside the United States as an

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Speaker 3: adversary of China.

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Speaker 2: Right quote.

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Speaker 3: For example, since coming to office, your government has signed

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Speaker 3: New Zealand up to a number of strategic groupings, groupings

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Speaker 3: led by the United States. You have authorized the naval

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Speaker 3: vessel to sail through the Taiwan Strait, despite knowing that

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Speaker 3: would antagonize China. You have strength and defense ties with

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Speaker 3: the Philippines at a time when it is a low

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Speaker 3: level military standoff with China in the south of China Sea.

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Speaker 3: And you have allowed one of your MPs both last

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Speaker 3: year and again recently to lead a large delegation of

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Speaker 3: MP's to Taiwan, despite many years of avoiding such a

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Speaker 3: scale of political contacts. There is more in that letter,

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Speaker 3: and you can read it online, but that is the

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Speaker 3: gist of it. Winston Peters, by the way, has has

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Speaker 3: sent a statement saying he doesn't care what they say.

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Speaker 2: They're irrelevant. Yeah, And essentially what their letter is saying,

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Speaker 2: if you cut through it is China is problematic, but

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Speaker 2: hold your nose because we trade with them and they're

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Speaker 2: our biggest trading partner.

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Speaker 3: YEP, exactly oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number to call. Headlines with Rayling coming up.

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Speaker 1: Jus talks it'd be headlines with blue bubble taxes.

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Speaker 13: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. A former paramedic

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Speaker 13: has told a coronial inquest about not tending to an

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Speaker 13: Auckland terrorist's wounds in twenty twenty one. He says he

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Speaker 13: triarge the victims who needs he did help and only

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Speaker 13: surgery would have helped the attacker. The White House says

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump staying his course during a public blowout with

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Speaker 13: Elon Musk, who's called for the President to be impeached

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Speaker 13: and criticized his spending bill. Musks also threatened to decommission

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Speaker 13: the SpaceX craft used by NASA. A thirty eight year

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Speaker 13: old man has been charged with murder over the death

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Speaker 13: of a Hamilton woman, killed when a ute hit a

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Speaker 13: powerpole she was standing next to. A second Canterbury school

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Speaker 13: is paying to revert to single cell classrooms. Shirley Boys Hires,

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Speaker 13: following the footsteps of rangiora high and abandoning open plan setups.

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Speaker 13: Kiwi music legend Neil finn Is putting his weight behind

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Speaker 13: a bid to bring music to Auckland's Western Springs Stadium

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Speaker 13: by CRS Records. Why more keiw So taking a punt

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Speaker 13: on Wall Street Read this and more stock takes at

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Speaker 13: enz Herald Premium. Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylan.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about this open letter addressed to the Prime Mini,

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Speaker 3: a stiff from former Labor Prime Minister Sir Jeffrey Palmer,

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Speaker 3: Helen Clark, National Leader, former National Leader Dom Brash, which

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Speaker 3: expressed grave concern about the current direction of New Zealand's

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Speaker 3: foreign policy when it comes to China.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's that's people from both sides of

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Speaker 2: the aisle. Yeah, isn't it. You got Don Brash, You've

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Speaker 2: got Helen Clark, So you can't say it's, you know,

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Speaker 2: just a left wing thing or just a right wing thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. And there's a few officials and former

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Speaker 3: ambassadors in there as well.

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Speaker 2: Lind says she knows what she's talking about. Uncle Winnie

538
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Speaker 2: needs to pull as hidden there you go, Hey, guys,

539
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Speaker 2: they have all had their day and we're all voted

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Speaker 2: out of parliament. I don't know why they feel that

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Speaker 2: their opinions are relevant. Personally, I'm sick to death appearing

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Speaker 2: from Helen Clark. I think she wished she could just

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Speaker 2: go I just wish she could go away. Yeah. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: keep those teas coming through. You get the gist of

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Speaker 2: that one. Yeah so, But but I mean a lot

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Speaker 2: of people are saying they should shut up people. No

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Speaker 2: one should shut up. I mean, it's free speech. They

548
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Speaker 2: can definitely have their opinion, and I guess some would

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Speaker 2: argue from the other side that we're not really getting

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Speaker 2: is that they have experience and insight that most of

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Speaker 2: us don't. More than I do, more than you do, Tyler, yeap,

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Speaker 2: more than most people texting. I mean, they have dealt

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Speaker 2: with China, and they have personally dealt with the United

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Speaker 2: States of America. They've been involved in these foreign policy decisions,

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Speaker 2: and look, maybe they've got it wrong at the time,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes people get things wrong and then they look

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Speaker 2: back and go, well, I've learned from that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very true. But the question I've got is

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Speaker 3: how much weight should we put on what they've got

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Speaker 3: to say versus Winston Peters and Judith Collins who are

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Speaker 3: currently in government. They see the latest information at hand.

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Speaker 3: They see, you know, they get information that nobody else gets,

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Speaker 3: the secret information from our strategic partners about what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Should we put more weight on what they have to

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Speaker 3: say about the state of that part of the world.

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Speaker 2: Well, they rate themselves by writing the letter talking about

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Speaker 2: a hubris to it. Yeah, that our opinion is worth

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Speaker 2: more than other people's opinions and when we get together,

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Speaker 2: more powerful as a group and should be listened to

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Speaker 2: because of who we previously were.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is the number to call, Peter. You support what they've

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Speaker 3: got to say.

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Speaker 4: Well, and former Prime Minister called Keating disagrees with Australia

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Speaker 4: spending all this money on nuclear submarines. And then you

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Speaker 4: look at former Prime Minister John Keayr who desperately tried

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Speaker 4: to get a free trade deal with Russia and Prusion

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Speaker 4: wasn't interested, probably because we just saw he's probably saw

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Speaker 4: in New Zealand as a spy vessel for the USA. And

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Speaker 4: we're part of five Eyes, We're a target from five Eyes.

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Speaker 4: Point of view. We're also helping train people in Ukraine

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Speaker 4: and under the Official Information Act, I asked all about

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Speaker 4: you know, where is all this information that New Zeald's

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Speaker 4: supposed to have an independent foreign policy and those decisions

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Speaker 4: of supporting the US with respect to Ukraine and everything

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Speaker 4: else we do. Where is our independent foreign policy? It's

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Speaker 4: this lipstick on a pig, you know. Can I ask

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Speaker 4: you to guys now, as America says to remain with US,

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Speaker 4: in Australia says the same thing. You have to stop

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Speaker 4: trading with China. Are you going to do it? Yes

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Speaker 4: or no? To be a friend of America?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I think Peter, you've cut straight to

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Speaker 2: the point, and that is the problem that we're in

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Speaker 2: right now. We're our biggest trading partner is China and

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Speaker 2: our only strategical ally is Australia in the US in

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Speaker 2: any kind of signed treaty. So yeah, I mean that

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Speaker 2: that is the crux of it. But equally, if we

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Speaker 2: distance ourselves from from the United States, are we all

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Speaker 2: in with China? I mean the question is is it

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Speaker 2: about economics or is it about your where you feel

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Speaker 2: that you're morale, morally, politically aligned. So Peter, I'd ask

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Speaker 2: you what would happen if we if we distance ourselves

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Speaker 2: from America, and then what looks increasingly lightly in the

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Speaker 2: next few years China invades Taiwan.

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Speaker 4: Well, China doesn't have to invade Taiwan because New Zealand

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Speaker 4: and American Australia recognize that China is Taiwan is part

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Speaker 4: of China, and they did that to trade it and

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Speaker 4: to have an agreement with China that was a non

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Speaker 4: negotiable item, and the Europeans and the British have all

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Speaker 4: signed up to that. So it's just saber rattling.

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Speaker 6: Really.

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Speaker 4: The thing about New Zealand if you look at US,

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Speaker 4: we borrow money from the US. The Federal Reserve creates

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Speaker 4: the money from nowhere. The Australians have about with their

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Speaker 4: banks about thirty ages ago, their profits came from New

616
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Speaker 4: Zealand for the publicly listed banks in Australia. So we're

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Speaker 4: borrowing money from both countries if you like, and we're

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Speaker 4: not looking after our own sovereigntory. And last time we

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Speaker 4: did that was when Michael Joseph Savage was the Primers

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Speaker 4: and used the reserve bag to create money to fund

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Speaker 4: STAF housing. Now we're just borrowing money. We want to

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Speaker 4: borrow more money to fund defense. At nine billion, it's

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Speaker 4: not going to make us safer. We're not saying anything

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Speaker 4: to the US enabling genocide with respect to supplying weapons

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Speaker 4: and funds to Israel, and America is supposed to have

626
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Speaker 4: our values. Are our values general?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're going to.

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Speaker 2: But you could then list a whole lot worse from China, couldn't.

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Speaker 4: You will tell me one thing worse from China.

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Speaker 2: Well, the fact they're a dictatorship, the fact that that

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Speaker 2: there's no free speech in their country.

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Speaker 4: People, Yes, what about the killing people.

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Speaker 2: Populations they are? What about the and one of them

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Speaker 2: is not a democracy. There's no way, Peter, that you

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Speaker 2: could stand here and say that that China is morally

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Speaker 2: superior to the United States of America. You surely don't

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Speaker 2: believe that, do you, Peter, Well, well.

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Speaker 4: If you look at China and America, China, you know,

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Speaker 4: charges families for the bullet to kill people and organ

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Speaker 4: transplants and all that. In America, you had journalism like

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Speaker 4: the Australian during the start, who was locked up without

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Speaker 4: trial for many years just to say that America is

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Speaker 4: free speech. And then you've got the universities who can't

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Speaker 4: criticize Israel, and they're going to be you know, so

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Speaker 4: you can't say you've got free speech.

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Speaker 2: You've got you can definitely say one hundred percent that

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Speaker 2: you've got free speech in America. You absolutely have free

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Speaker 2: speech in America. That's one thing we have to agree.

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Speaker 2: And you look at the amount of abuse Trump gets.

650
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Speaker 2: Trump gets just unrelenting abuse from from the media social media.

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Speaker 2: Anyone can say anything. You cannot abuse Jijingping. You cannot.

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Speaker 2: You cannot even post a picture of poo beer because

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Speaker 2: he looks like Jijingping. So there's definitely free speech in America.

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Speaker 2: Is any There's more free speech in America than there

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Speaker 2: is anywhere else in the world.

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Speaker 4: Well, what why do social media people get the platformed

657
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Speaker 4: if it's free speech, and you know, search engines can

658
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Speaker 4: only show certain things, and you have to go to

659
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Speaker 4: the Russian search and engine, you know, yandex whatever to

660
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Speaker 4: get another.

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Speaker 2: Talk about Peter. If you're going to the Russian search engines,

662
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Speaker 2: then you're getting a heavily censored search engine. But the

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Speaker 2: I mean, it gets incredibly complicated with social media platforms

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Speaker 2: because they're private businesses, right, So that that becomes incredibly difficult.

665
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Speaker 2: But if you go on any social media right now

666
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Speaker 2: in the United States of America, you will find just

667
00:32:43,653 --> 00:32:49,053
Speaker 2: screeze and screeze and screeze of abuse of the current regime.

668
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Speaker 2: We've lost Peter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter, thank you very much for your call, and

670
00:32:54,773 --> 00:32:57,253
Speaker 3: he took it to the extremes there. But just to

671
00:32:57,573 --> 00:32:59,573
Speaker 3: bring it back, it is a tight rope that we

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Speaker 3: have to walk, as in New Zealand, right between the

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Speaker 3: relationship with China as our biggest export partner and our

674
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Speaker 3: strategic military partnerships with the likes of you West. The

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Speaker 3: argument that Judith Collins and Winston Peters would make is

676
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Speaker 3: that we move too far away on the other side

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Speaker 3: of that tightrope towards China and we started to lose

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Speaker 3: that strategic relationship military relationship with the United States, Canada,

679
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Speaker 3: Australia and the UK. So that is where the argument lies,

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Speaker 3: right is where in that type rope should we be

681
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Speaker 3: leaning to And then Helen Clark and Don Brash and

682
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Speaker 3: Sir Jeffrey Palmer thinks we need to go back to

683
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Speaker 3: cosey up to China. That's the crux of the argument.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and often when we have these discussions. We

685
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Speaker 2: think there's a right and a wrong answer. And you

686
00:33:43,453 --> 00:33:46,813
Speaker 2: know New Zealand currently needs to trade with China. Yeah,

687
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Speaker 2: you know we need them ex at the moment. It's

688
00:33:49,373 --> 00:33:52,733
Speaker 2: not a use or no answer, and that directly affects

689
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Speaker 2: how our citizens, the quality of our citizens' lives, our healthcare,

690
00:33:57,613 --> 00:34:00,173
Speaker 2: so many different things are affected by our trade with China.

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Speaker 2: Just so we've got some money coming into the economy, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So that is an incredibly complicated trade off. And you're

693
00:34:06,373 --> 00:34:09,813
Speaker 2: exactly right, Tyler. It's how far we move towards China

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Speaker 2: and away from America, or towards America a historical ally

695
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Speaker 2: that has you know, democratic democratic institutions in the line

696
00:34:19,453 --> 00:34:21,813
Speaker 2: with ours, yeah, or how far we moved to a dictatorship,

697
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Speaker 2: communistic taorship. Yeah, it's complicated as a day one. Maybe

698
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Speaker 2: there's no true answer. I mean, it's almost certain that

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Speaker 2: there's no clean answer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're keen on your views on it. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty It is fourteen to two.

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Speaker 1: A fresh take on Talkback. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 1: eighty US talks.

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Speaker 3: B Good afternoon. We're talking about this open letter that

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Speaker 3: has been signed by Helen Clark, Don Brash, the former Speaker,

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Speaker 3: Sir David Carter, among others, and it is stressed to

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister. It does take aim at Winston Peters

709
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Speaker 3: as Foreign Minister. They believe we are moving too far

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Speaker 3: away from our relationship with China and they are worried

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Speaker 3: about our foreign policy direction.

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Speaker 2: So do we care what ex politician have to say?

713
00:35:09,013 --> 00:35:12,253
Speaker 2: Should we hold their opinions in high regard or do

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Speaker 2: we just think, look, you had you go and leave

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Speaker 2: it to the new people, because you know they've got

716
00:35:17,613 --> 00:35:21,212
Speaker 2: experience and insight, don't they Yes, because they've been there,

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00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:23,533
Speaker 2: but they've also got bias and grudges.

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Speaker 3: Exactly one hundred and eighteen eighty number to call.

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Speaker 2: Gett Daniel, Yeah, geto boys.

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Speaker 14: How are we doing very good?

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Speaker 3: What's your thoughts?

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Speaker 15: So I just.

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Speaker 14: Wanted to bring it made after that last call. I

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Speaker 14: wanted to bring it right back to your original discussion,

725
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Speaker 14: which is the relevance that that these people have and

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Speaker 14: to me, as a three term prime minister in what

727
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Speaker 14: I would call a modern time. I gave Helen Clark

728
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Speaker 14: as much relevance as I was John Key, and I

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Speaker 14: think that they've been prime ministers in this country for

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Speaker 14: over a decade or for almost a decade, so I

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Speaker 14: think they have the right to make comments in regards

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Speaker 14: to to foreign policy and any issues they think. Well.

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Speaker 14: I think that the other thing that he has to

734
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Speaker 14: take into account is the only way they can get

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Speaker 14: there those comments out to the public is that chosen

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Speaker 14: an open letter. Whether that's the right vehicle or not.

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Speaker 14: The same thing as he was talking about Bill English

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Speaker 14: before I give fill English, you'd be right to comment

739
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Speaker 14: on our financial state. But he was only a one

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Speaker 14: term prime minister. I don't I feel as finance minister

741
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Speaker 14: he was. He did a fantastic job, but he doesn't

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Speaker 14: have the right to comment on the likes of China.

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Speaker 14: He was only a one term prime minister and didn't

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Speaker 14: have as much thing dealings with China where it all

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00:36:42,573 --> 00:36:46,933
Speaker 14: goes wrong. As Winston's just taken this classic Trump sort

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Speaker 14: of role of just personality politics. I'm not even going

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Speaker 14: to discuss what they have said in an open letter.

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Speaker 14: I'm just going to say they're irrelevant, and I think

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Speaker 14: that that's to me, that's washing. We're just washing away

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Speaker 14: the content of the discussion, at least the last guy

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Speaker 14: and you guys got into the actual content, which is

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00:37:07,693 --> 00:37:11,133
Speaker 14: what is our relationship with the stake who are very

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00:37:11,173 --> 00:37:14,933
Speaker 14: different used to be what is our relationship with China?

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Speaker 14: And what do we want that to look like going forward? Well,

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Speaker 14: I'd say that's actually the crux of this latter and

756
00:37:22,293 --> 00:37:25,413
Speaker 14: to me, if you want to talk about relevant, Helen

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00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:29,773
Speaker 14: Clark has got as much right the comments as we

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Speaker 14: turn to we turned to any we turn into an

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Speaker 14: ex all black to talk about how they how the

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Speaker 14: Blues are doing.

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Speaker 2: It that.

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Speaker 14: Mate, justin Marshall's got no right to comment.

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Speaker 16: On now sometimes I think that I just I just

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Speaker 16: feel like he's out of the game for twenty years

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Speaker 16: and he doesn't really have but in the workings.

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Speaker 14: But we still go to people in the in the

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Speaker 14: sector and we asked their advice.

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Speaker 2: Or were well, thank you so much, Daniel, and that's

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Speaker 2: thank you for bringing back to the very crux of

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Speaker 2: the question we're asking. Yeah, and he says, yes, they do, yep,

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Speaker 2: and and look either whether they you know, how however

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00:38:07,413 --> 00:38:09,573
Speaker 2: much you listen to them is up to you. But

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Speaker 2: we're hopefully everyone listening supports as much free speech as

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Speaker 2: we possibly can get, so you certainly wouldn't want to

775
00:38:15,493 --> 00:38:18,133
Speaker 2: silence people. No, but it's how much weight you give

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Speaker 2: it and how relevant you think their comments are exactly.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is and number to call.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your call, Daniel. It is

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Speaker 3: seven to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

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00:38:34,093 --> 00:38:36,253
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons News DOGSB.

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Speaker 2: It is five to two. This is an interesting point

784
00:38:41,053 --> 00:38:43,252
Speaker 2: because it's sort of left and right. I've come through

785
00:38:43,253 --> 00:38:45,973
Speaker 2: on this message fellas Clark and Palmer are communists, so

786
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't put too much stock in what they say. However,

787
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Speaker 2: the interesting one is Brash. Whilst he's right of Gigga's karn,

788
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of respect for her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right on east side this letter too, isn't he

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Speaker 3: the right of gis car? And this one says getto Matt,

791
00:39:01,853 --> 00:39:04,172
Speaker 3: just tuned in. How many awards did you win last night?

792
00:39:04,213 --> 00:39:06,013
Speaker 3: Congratulations News DOGSB.

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Speaker 2: Just the four? Gary? Why did I read that?

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00:39:08,813 --> 00:39:09,213
Speaker 13: Just that?

795
00:39:09,333 --> 00:39:11,133
Speaker 2: I read that one out? Hey, let's keep this topic

796
00:39:11,173 --> 00:39:12,973
Speaker 2: going because we've got so many calls on the line

797
00:39:13,133 --> 00:39:15,373
Speaker 2: and so many texts coming through. If you we have

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Speaker 2: full lines, but keep trying on one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty. We're trying to get to as many calls

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Speaker 2: as we can in the next hour.

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00:39:20,013 --> 00:39:22,813
Speaker 3: Yep, how much wait do you give to former politicians

802
00:39:22,853 --> 00:39:25,652
Speaker 3: when it comes to foreign policy? Love to hear your thoughts.

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00:39:25,693 --> 00:39:27,493
Speaker 3: I wait, one hundred eighty, ten eighty.

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00:39:27,573 --> 00:39:28,773
Speaker 2: It is four.

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00:39:28,693 --> 00:39:31,973
Speaker 3: Minutes to do new sport and weather on its way,

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00:39:32,053 --> 00:39:33,893
Speaker 3: but a crowded house to see you.

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00:39:34,373 --> 00:39:35,693
Speaker 2: We will see you on the other side.

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Speaker 1: We know fair talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen,

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Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.

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Speaker 3: Seven past two. Now, just before we carry on with

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Speaker 3: this discussion about the open letter signed by Helen Clark

813
00:40:37,373 --> 00:40:40,692
Speaker 3: and Don Brash, among others, about our foreign policy decisions,

814
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Speaker 3: I've got to create a correction to make in a

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Speaker 3: bit of an apology. We are going to talk about

816
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Speaker 3: these modern learning environments, these open planned classrooms. Hopefully in

817
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Speaker 3: about twenty five minutes. Cheeryboys high at spending eight hundred

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars of their own money to change those open

819
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Speaker 3: plan classrooms because they say they're not working for their boys.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of school share that sentiment. But I

821
00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:04,973
Speaker 3: did say when we were talking about that particular topic

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Speaker 3: that it was instituted by Labor.

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Speaker 2: I was wrong.

824
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Speaker 3: It was instituted by Heikia Parata under the National government

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Speaker 3: in twenty ten after the christ At earthquakes. There was

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Speaker 3: a lot of schools to rebuild. But then the Labor Party,

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Speaker 3: who got an after the John Key government, carried it

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Speaker 3: on so quick correction there there was a few texts

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Speaker 3: on that. Yeah, so there it is.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be a party issue, does it. No, exactly,

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Speaker 2: it's just our open plan schools classrooms a good idea

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Speaker 2: or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but thank you. It also

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Speaker 2: get your facts right Tyler, jeez.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to the Texas and there is your correction.

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Speaker 3: Right back to this discussion because it is a fascinating discussion.

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Speaker 3: The open letter has been signed, as I mentioned by

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Speaker 3: Helen Clark, Don Brash of Jeffrey Palmer, the former Speaker

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Speaker 3: of the House, Sir David Carter. They are worried about

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Speaker 3: foreign policy decisions made by this government they've taken particular

840
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Speaker 3: aim of Foreign Minister Winston Peters over some of these decisions.

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters, however, said, I quote, I see no value

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Speaker 3: in indulging the tight arguments of various former politicians or

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00:42:00,933 --> 00:42:05,413
Speaker 3: officials who appeared to be suffering from relevance deprivation syndrome.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, as it was called it was a

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Speaker 2: Daniel before pointed out he hasn't really addressed the issue directly,

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Speaker 2: there has he. But it's classic Winston Peter's get to

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Speaker 2: life laugh. But the question is do we care what

848
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Speaker 2: these ex politicians think? It does because they were in

849
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Speaker 2: these positions of power in the past, elevate their opinion

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Speaker 2: to a higher level than other people. I mean, they've

851
00:42:24,133 --> 00:42:27,733
Speaker 2: had experience and insight that you and I haven't, Tyler,

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Speaker 2: That is true, you know. But they'd also have perceived

853
00:42:31,293 --> 00:42:35,533
Speaker 2: biases and grudges, don't they They do, yeah, so, and

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00:42:35,853 --> 00:42:39,373
Speaker 2: you know they had their charts yep. But what's interesting

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Speaker 2: about this letter is you've got Don Brash and Helen

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Speaker 2: Clarke coming together, and you'd have to say that they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't agree on a lot together, would they? No? Not?

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Speaker 8: Not?

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Speaker 3: Traditionally O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call. Love your thoughts on this. Plenty of

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Speaker 3: teachers coming through as well, which will get too shortly.

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Speaker 3: But Phil, you think we should consider the letter?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I think so. Funny enough, I was going to

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Speaker 17: I'm in the process of writing to the Foreign Minister,

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Speaker 17: to the Prime Minister. Because I do all this sort

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Speaker 17: of stuff, I don't always get it. I don't always

867
00:43:13,013 --> 00:43:17,573
Speaker 17: get a good response because obviously they have their own

868
00:43:18,053 --> 00:43:19,093
Speaker 17: thoughts and ideas.

869
00:43:19,093 --> 00:43:23,773
Speaker 2: But at last, Fiel, you're participating actively in democracy, which

870
00:43:23,813 --> 00:43:24,732
Speaker 2: is what we like to see.

871
00:43:24,973 --> 00:43:28,893
Speaker 17: Well, I think we all should. I feel that, you know,

872
00:43:29,053 --> 00:43:31,772
Speaker 17: just going back to our previous election, if we'd had

873
00:43:31,773 --> 00:43:35,293
Speaker 17: an eighty percent turnout of people voting, wouldn't it have

874
00:43:35,373 --> 00:43:38,053
Speaker 17: been a better turnout sort of result?

875
00:43:38,653 --> 00:43:39,373
Speaker 6: Really? Surely?

876
00:43:39,773 --> 00:43:41,813
Speaker 2: Well, well, well, you know if that the higher the turnout,

877
00:43:41,853 --> 00:43:44,453
Speaker 2: then the you know, the less complaining people can do,

878
00:43:44,573 --> 00:43:47,732
Speaker 2: because you would argue that it's a stronger mandate. But yeah,

879
00:43:48,693 --> 00:43:51,053
Speaker 2: your thoughts on those thoughts onil?

880
00:43:52,053 --> 00:43:54,333
Speaker 17: Well, well, I knew the letter was coming up, and

881
00:43:54,373 --> 00:43:57,293
Speaker 17: then of course I saw it in today's paper. And

882
00:43:57,773 --> 00:44:03,212
Speaker 17: I do believe that my interest in what happens in

883
00:44:03,733 --> 00:44:08,732
Speaker 17: China is China's business. Now, I can assure you, from

884
00:44:08,773 --> 00:44:14,253
Speaker 17: my personal notation of all the stuff I read, whether

885
00:44:14,253 --> 00:44:17,693
Speaker 17: it's true or not true, that we are not not

886
00:44:18,293 --> 00:44:24,293
Speaker 17: no country, no country is going to change China's internal politics.

887
00:44:25,053 --> 00:44:29,212
Speaker 17: So we can say goodbye to telling them about their

888
00:44:30,093 --> 00:44:34,732
Speaker 17: bad dealings with their people, with the Tibetans and all that,

889
00:44:34,853 --> 00:44:39,933
Speaker 17: because they will not move from that. Historically, that is

890
00:44:40,013 --> 00:44:45,773
Speaker 17: the case, even before communism, China was ruled in a

891
00:44:45,853 --> 00:44:51,013
Speaker 17: way that is alien probably to Western world. So you

892
00:44:51,093 --> 00:44:55,013
Speaker 17: can say goodbye to trying to change their mind. You

893
00:44:55,053 --> 00:44:57,652
Speaker 17: can talk to them about it, but it won't make

894
00:44:57,773 --> 00:45:02,173
Speaker 17: an iota of difference in my opinion. However, since we

895
00:45:02,453 --> 00:45:08,853
Speaker 17: are very much involved with trade with China, I think

896
00:45:08,893 --> 00:45:12,493
Speaker 17: we should be a little bit more circumspect about the

897
00:45:12,573 --> 00:45:18,293
Speaker 17: fact that we are. Now we've seen in America mister

898
00:45:18,373 --> 00:45:23,053
Speaker 17: Trump has come up with his pencil board of tariff

899
00:45:23,893 --> 00:45:27,293
Speaker 17: and mister Trump is now backing down, but he's not

900
00:45:27,493 --> 00:45:31,693
Speaker 17: quite backing down. What he's doing. He's picking off each

901
00:45:31,893 --> 00:45:36,013
Speaker 17: country one by one to see what he can extract

902
00:45:36,133 --> 00:45:40,293
Speaker 17: out of us. And that's that's the problem. The other problem,

903
00:45:40,773 --> 00:45:44,093
Speaker 17: the other thing I feel is that we will never

904
00:45:44,213 --> 00:45:50,013
Speaker 17: we New Zealand will never get a free trade agreement

905
00:45:50,173 --> 00:45:53,293
Speaker 17: with the United States of America. I don't know how

906
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:56,933
Speaker 17: Australia's managed it, but they have. I don't think you

907
00:45:57,053 --> 00:46:00,853
Speaker 17: will get us to get one because we are.

908
00:46:02,133 --> 00:46:04,733
Speaker 2: It doesn't have a free trade deal with the United States.

909
00:46:05,173 --> 00:46:07,333
Speaker 17: Oh well, it said so in the paper the other day.

910
00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:10,413
Speaker 17: I thought that they're.

911
00:46:10,053 --> 00:46:14,093
Speaker 2: Currently and currently being hit by tariffs like the rest

912
00:46:14,093 --> 00:46:14,533
Speaker 2: of us.

913
00:46:15,413 --> 00:46:18,813
Speaker 17: The same ten percent. But anyhow, I just feel that,

914
00:46:19,093 --> 00:46:21,973
Speaker 17: I mean, I buy like most people, I buy a

915
00:46:22,013 --> 00:46:25,613
Speaker 17: lot of goods that are made in China, and a

916
00:46:25,653 --> 00:46:27,853
Speaker 17: lot of rubbish comes out of China. I don't buy

917
00:46:27,893 --> 00:46:30,613
Speaker 17: the rubbish China stuff. I buy the good China stuff,

918
00:46:30,933 --> 00:46:34,733
Speaker 17: mostly clothing, and I find it very good. I wouldn't

919
00:46:34,773 --> 00:46:39,213
Speaker 17: be able to buy clothing from America because America can't

920
00:46:39,253 --> 00:46:44,773
Speaker 17: produce good quality clothing at the price that I could afford.

921
00:46:44,893 --> 00:46:47,453
Speaker 2: So, Peter, if we take if we take economics out

922
00:46:47,493 --> 00:46:50,333
Speaker 2: of the situation, so clearly we have a very successful

923
00:46:50,333 --> 00:46:53,733
Speaker 2: trading relationship with China, and I'm not sure if it's

924
00:46:53,733 --> 00:46:56,853
Speaker 2: still sitting there. But last Vegas, the United States past

925
00:46:56,893 --> 00:47:00,013
Speaker 2: Australia in terms of our trading partners, but we're much

926
00:47:00,013 --> 00:47:05,333
Speaker 2: bigger with China. So if we're in that situation, that's

927
00:47:05,653 --> 00:47:09,053
Speaker 2: that's one part of it. But then there is the

928
00:47:09,053 --> 00:47:12,773
Speaker 2: defense part of it, and that kind of alliance, and

929
00:47:12,813 --> 00:47:16,893
Speaker 2: that is really where this discussion sits. It's between the

930
00:47:17,013 --> 00:47:20,733
Speaker 2: trade and the and the and the defense part and

931
00:47:20,773 --> 00:47:24,613
Speaker 2: where allegiances lie in that regard and that and that

932
00:47:24,893 --> 00:47:27,693
Speaker 2: is the very difficult line, isn't it. Peter, So, I mean, Phil, Sorry,

933
00:47:27,733 --> 00:47:30,853
Speaker 2: So how far do you think we should move towards

934
00:47:31,053 --> 00:47:35,493
Speaker 2: China for the economic gains and away from America? I

935
00:47:35,493 --> 00:47:36,293
Speaker 2: guess is the question?

936
00:47:36,773 --> 00:47:41,293
Speaker 17: Well, I think we're already very much locked in economically

937
00:47:41,333 --> 00:47:44,733
Speaker 17: with them now. Whether we go any further or not, really,

938
00:47:45,613 --> 00:47:48,493
Speaker 17: I don't know how. You know, nobody could predict how

939
00:47:48,573 --> 00:47:52,253
Speaker 17: that how far we would be more reliant on them

940
00:47:52,293 --> 00:47:55,613
Speaker 17: that we already are. I do believe we are very

941
00:47:56,093 --> 00:47:58,813
Speaker 17: reliant on them buying our goods, and they like to

942
00:47:58,853 --> 00:48:02,293
Speaker 17: sell to us. When it comes to America. I know

943
00:48:02,413 --> 00:48:05,773
Speaker 17: that we do buy stuff from them, but if we

944
00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:09,893
Speaker 17: want to sell our primary produce to America, as you know,

945
00:48:10,173 --> 00:48:14,133
Speaker 17: it's pretty much we can sell stuff, but we can't

946
00:48:14,133 --> 00:48:19,933
Speaker 17: sell more. The farming lobby in America is extremely strong

947
00:48:20,493 --> 00:48:23,493
Speaker 17: and has been all the time that I've been taking

948
00:48:23,573 --> 00:48:27,013
Speaker 17: notice of it, and that's probably forty plus years.

949
00:48:27,813 --> 00:48:30,813
Speaker 2: So they well did it. But we did export nine

950
00:48:30,893 --> 00:48:34,773
Speaker 2: billion dollars worth of meat essentially, while some of it

951
00:48:34,813 --> 00:48:36,253
Speaker 2: was meat, but a lot of it was meat awful.

952
00:48:36,613 --> 00:48:38,453
Speaker 2: So we're getting into the market a lot with that

953
00:48:38,573 --> 00:48:40,933
Speaker 2: with their meat awful into the United States at the moment.

954
00:48:42,093 --> 00:48:46,652
Speaker 17: Yeah, I just feel that if we were wanting to

955
00:48:46,693 --> 00:48:52,093
Speaker 17: sell unlimited, I don't expect any country to take unlimited

956
00:48:53,173 --> 00:48:55,973
Speaker 17: primary produce from US. But if we wanted to double it,

957
00:48:56,253 --> 00:49:00,133
Speaker 17: that wouldn't I don't think that would happen because they

958
00:49:00,133 --> 00:49:04,733
Speaker 17: are very protectionists and there's more inside the United Staff.

959
00:49:05,333 --> 00:49:08,732
Speaker 17: We're always told that the United States is a free

960
00:49:08,773 --> 00:49:13,693
Speaker 17: and open society and it's a great place to do business. Well,

961
00:49:15,093 --> 00:49:17,973
Speaker 17: I've been looking at stuff in America, and it's not

962
00:49:18,333 --> 00:49:23,253
Speaker 17: within Internally in America, there's all sorts of things that

963
00:49:23,333 --> 00:49:26,733
Speaker 17: you cannot do to get your business cracking. I couldn't

964
00:49:26,773 --> 00:49:30,373
Speaker 17: believe it until I researched it and went, I wonder

965
00:49:30,373 --> 00:49:31,973
Speaker 17: if this is right. So I looked at it at

966
00:49:31,973 --> 00:49:38,333
Speaker 17: another angle. So even within their own country there's protection,

967
00:49:38,573 --> 00:49:43,613
Speaker 17: but from competitors in your same industry. Some states in

968
00:49:43,693 --> 00:49:49,533
Speaker 17: America have got protectionism against within their own state of

969
00:49:49,693 --> 00:49:54,613
Speaker 17: say three farmers wanting to enter the market, say with

970
00:49:54,813 --> 00:49:59,373
Speaker 17: a farmer's shop, and one of them was one of

971
00:49:59,413 --> 00:50:02,693
Speaker 17: them will be told, well, there's already two in the market,

972
00:50:02,893 --> 00:50:05,453
Speaker 17: and you could upset their profitability.

973
00:50:05,653 --> 00:50:08,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Phil, Thank you very much for your cool.

974
00:50:08,813 --> 00:50:11,973
Speaker 2: But a certain of information bias that we get because

975
00:50:11,973 --> 00:50:14,773
Speaker 2: we get absolutely every piece of information out of the

976
00:50:14,853 --> 00:50:19,413
Speaker 2: United States because it's free speeches in its constitution, So

977
00:50:19,493 --> 00:50:22,772
Speaker 2: you hear absolutely everything that's going on, every deal that's

978
00:50:22,813 --> 00:50:24,893
Speaker 2: going on. When something goes wrong, you hear about it.

979
00:50:24,893 --> 00:50:27,933
Speaker 2: Everyone talks about it on social media. That's what you

980
00:50:27,973 --> 00:50:30,973
Speaker 2: get from a free speech from a democracy. A lot

981
00:50:30,973 --> 00:50:34,173
Speaker 2: of corruptions happening in China, a lot of deals have

982
00:50:34,173 --> 00:50:36,773
Speaker 2: been done, a lot of stuff that would shock us.

983
00:50:36,933 --> 00:50:39,493
Speaker 2: We just don't know about it because there is no

984
00:50:39,493 --> 00:50:41,093
Speaker 2: free speech, so you just don't hear about it. So

985
00:50:41,533 --> 00:50:43,453
Speaker 2: a lot of people that are angry and complaining about

986
00:50:43,493 --> 00:50:45,973
Speaker 2: the United States of America. That is the function of

987
00:50:45,973 --> 00:50:49,893
Speaker 2: a democracy that you will hear all you'll see, all

988
00:50:49,933 --> 00:50:50,933
Speaker 2: the good and all the bad.

989
00:50:51,053 --> 00:50:53,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he mentioned there. I'll pick this up

990
00:50:53,053 --> 00:50:54,893
Speaker 3: after the break, but he mentioned there the idea of

991
00:50:54,933 --> 00:50:57,813
Speaker 3: soft diplomacy, and this was an element that Halen Clark

992
00:50:57,893 --> 00:51:00,573
Speaker 3: tilted during the free trade agreement. But I'll pick that

993
00:51:00,693 --> 00:51:02,893
Speaker 3: up very shortly. It is seventeen past.

994
00:51:02,773 --> 00:51:08,333
Speaker 1: Two your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

995
00:51:08,493 --> 00:51:12,212
Speaker 1: afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk ZIB.

996
00:51:14,013 --> 00:51:16,053
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. We are talking about this

997
00:51:16,093 --> 00:51:19,213
Speaker 3: open letter that has been signed by Helen Clark, it

998
00:51:19,213 --> 00:51:21,573
Speaker 3: has been signed by Don Brash, and it's been signed

999
00:51:21,613 --> 00:51:25,292
Speaker 3: by Sir Jeffrey Palmer, among others that effectively take zame

1000
00:51:25,413 --> 00:51:28,293
Speaker 3: at our foreign policy, at the government's foreign policy decisions,

1001
00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:31,053
Speaker 3: Winston Peter's in particular. But they say that we are

1002
00:51:31,133 --> 00:51:34,853
Speaker 3: losing our relationship with China to our detriment?

1003
00:51:35,053 --> 00:51:37,853
Speaker 2: Do you agree? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty And if

1004
00:51:37,853 --> 00:51:41,013
Speaker 2: you textas pushing back on the previous caller, such as

1005
00:51:41,093 --> 00:51:44,453
Speaker 2: this text of being saying the US is our largest

1006
00:51:45,093 --> 00:51:47,813
Speaker 2: market for ground beef. Yeah, you know, we had berg

1007
00:51:47,933 --> 00:51:49,853
Speaker 2: exports to them with that in the in the Offel

1008
00:51:50,333 --> 00:51:53,732
Speaker 2: situation last year. So but I was, well, the question

1009
00:51:53,773 --> 00:51:56,493
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about is if we could in

1010
00:51:56,533 --> 00:52:00,493
Speaker 2: the in the dream world, perfect world. Do people look

1011
00:52:00,533 --> 00:52:03,853
Speaker 2: at this? If we had the opportunity to only trade

1012
00:52:03,853 --> 00:52:07,413
Speaker 2: with democracies, would we take it? Because we are in

1013
00:52:07,413 --> 00:52:10,853
Speaker 2: this horrible position in New Zealand are too What was

1014
00:52:10,893 --> 00:52:13,772
Speaker 2: the saying that someone said before, you know, when elephants fight,

1015
00:52:13,893 --> 00:52:16,533
Speaker 2: might skit trample. Yeah, we're in that situation now where

1016
00:52:16,533 --> 00:52:19,813
Speaker 2: we have to trade with China and we need their

1017
00:52:19,813 --> 00:52:22,133
Speaker 2: money and we need their trade, but we don't necessarily

1018
00:52:22,173 --> 00:52:27,413
Speaker 2: like their politics. We've got America, we aligned with them historically,

1019
00:52:27,493 --> 00:52:31,013
Speaker 2: we're a democracy politically aligned more or less depending how

1020
00:52:31,053 --> 00:52:33,253
Speaker 2: you feel, but we don't trade with them as.

1021
00:52:33,253 --> 00:52:36,853
Speaker 3: Much diversify and that's a part of the India push

1022
00:52:36,933 --> 00:52:38,652
Speaker 3: to get a free trade agreement, right, is that we

1023
00:52:38,693 --> 00:52:42,013
Speaker 3: need more trading partners, and we need more free trading deals.

1024
00:52:43,133 --> 00:52:46,253
Speaker 3: And at the moment, China is our most lucrative one.

1025
00:52:46,293 --> 00:52:48,773
Speaker 3: So until we get some other deals across the line,

1026
00:52:48,933 --> 00:52:51,133
Speaker 3: we are in a real complicated situation.

1027
00:52:51,293 --> 00:52:52,253
Speaker 2: Glenn, your thoughts on this?

1028
00:52:53,293 --> 00:52:57,813
Speaker 18: Oh, look, gentlemen, this is a great topic, possibly the

1029
00:52:57,893 --> 00:53:02,573
Speaker 18: most important topic facing our country in my view. Okay,

1030
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:06,773
Speaker 18: so I think for the future of our country, let's

1031
00:53:06,773 --> 00:53:10,733
Speaker 18: hope that Our current prime minister listens to this advice

1032
00:53:10,773 --> 00:53:16,853
Speaker 18: from these former leaders on his upcoming trip to Beijing. Look,

1033
00:53:17,293 --> 00:53:19,893
Speaker 18: two thousand and eight, we're the first country to have

1034
00:53:19,973 --> 00:53:23,613
Speaker 18: a free trade agreement with China. There's a lot of

1035
00:53:23,653 --> 00:53:26,133
Speaker 18: other people who said they're now our biggest trading partner

1036
00:53:26,173 --> 00:53:30,373
Speaker 18: by far, and it is it's a worry that whinst

1037
00:53:30,373 --> 00:53:33,933
Speaker 18: Peters is positioned in New Zealand alongside the United States

1038
00:53:34,053 --> 00:53:38,933
Speaker 18: is an adversary of China. Really, in my opinion, this

1039
00:53:39,053 --> 00:53:43,813
Speaker 18: is crazy. You know, if China gets annoyed with US

1040
00:53:43,853 --> 00:53:47,573
Speaker 18: and cancels our exports of dairy products, meat, forestry and fruit,

1041
00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:55,013
Speaker 18: this could have catastrophic consequences. Our exports are worth twenty billion,

1042
00:53:55,133 --> 00:53:56,653
Speaker 18: am I correct to China?

1043
00:53:56,893 --> 00:53:57,093
Speaker 6: Yep?

1044
00:53:57,973 --> 00:54:00,773
Speaker 2: And it was last year, yeah.

1045
00:54:00,373 --> 00:54:04,373
Speaker 18: Twenty twenty four. We also, as other people have said,

1046
00:54:04,533 --> 00:54:07,093
Speaker 18: or you've said, we also do export a lot to

1047
00:54:07,213 --> 00:54:08,813
Speaker 18: United States. Not forget that.

1048
00:54:10,613 --> 00:54:11,373
Speaker 6: But you know what.

1049
00:54:13,133 --> 00:54:16,813
Speaker 18: People took about democracy and you know, we've gone to

1050
00:54:16,933 --> 00:54:21,413
Speaker 18: war over decades for the freedom of democracy. But I

1051
00:54:21,733 --> 00:54:24,253
Speaker 18: wonder I've had a lot of good discussions with friends

1052
00:54:24,253 --> 00:54:28,573
Speaker 18: over coffee about this. Is it the most is it

1053
00:54:28,693 --> 00:54:32,093
Speaker 18: the best thing? The best? Is it always cracked up

1054
00:54:32,133 --> 00:54:33,733
Speaker 18: to me, is what I'm trying to say. Can I

1055
00:54:33,773 --> 00:54:38,652
Speaker 18: give an example, So the United States for eight years

1056
00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:41,613
Speaker 18: have been trying to build a bullet train between Los

1057
00:54:41,693 --> 00:54:47,373
Speaker 18: Angeles and San Francisco. They still haven't built this Shoka

1058
00:54:47,653 --> 00:54:52,613
Speaker 18: And in those eight years, China, being a one party state,

1059
00:54:53,213 --> 00:54:57,253
Speaker 18: have cracked on and have built thousands and thousands of

1060
00:54:57,333 --> 00:55:03,253
Speaker 18: kilometers of train, bullet trains criss crossing their country. You know,

1061
00:55:04,253 --> 00:55:07,133
Speaker 18: they get things done. I mean, you look at as

1062
00:55:07,133 --> 00:55:09,172
Speaker 18: an example here and you sell it. I'm getting off

1063
00:55:09,173 --> 00:55:11,933
Speaker 18: topics slightly, but they're going to build this rapid rail

1064
00:55:11,973 --> 00:55:14,613
Speaker 18: from the airport the CBD right, labor is going to

1065
00:55:14,613 --> 00:55:17,333
Speaker 18: do it. National gets in, they scrap it, and someone

1066
00:55:17,413 --> 00:55:19,933
Speaker 18: goes back and forth, back and forth. Nothing gets done.

1067
00:55:20,653 --> 00:55:23,732
Speaker 18: China would have had it built finished years ago.

1068
00:55:23,973 --> 00:55:26,692
Speaker 2: Yes, so this is a good point, Glenn, But you've

1069
00:55:26,733 --> 00:55:31,373
Speaker 2: just rung open. You've criticized the government. So you've had

1070
00:55:31,453 --> 00:55:34,453
Speaker 2: taken an opposing opinion to what the current government in

1071
00:55:34,493 --> 00:55:37,413
Speaker 2: New Zealand is doing under the system in China. Would

1072
00:55:37,413 --> 00:55:39,813
Speaker 2: you feel comfortable to do that? And is that something

1073
00:55:40,133 --> 00:55:42,253
Speaker 2: there was that something you'd be willing to give up

1074
00:55:42,253 --> 00:55:45,333
Speaker 2: the right to criticize your government for the returns you

1075
00:55:45,333 --> 00:55:47,293
Speaker 2: get an efficiency around infrastructure.

1076
00:55:49,493 --> 00:55:52,973
Speaker 18: Look, I think it is because the thing I think

1077
00:55:53,013 --> 00:55:55,613
Speaker 18: this govern has unreasonably well. But the worst and the most

1078
00:55:55,653 --> 00:55:59,293
Speaker 18: disastrous thing they've done is cracking are scrapping rather the

1079
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Speaker 18: cook straight ferries roll on. They're on order from Korea,

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Speaker 18: purpose built. We needed them desperately and they scraped them.

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Speaker 18: You know, there's so many things I quite like Winston Peters.

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Speaker 18: I mean, I'm a super neuritan. He's the guy that

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Speaker 18: got us the Gold card. So I don't dislike Winston's fair,

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Speaker 18: you know what I mean, But I do think the

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00:56:22,413 --> 00:56:25,493
Speaker 18: way he's you say, look the way he's sucking up

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Speaker 18: to Americans. The only people that have stood up to

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Speaker 18: the Yanks are Canada, Mexico and Ukraine. Might be wrong,

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00:56:33,093 --> 00:56:36,613
Speaker 18: it might be others, but a lot of the countries

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Speaker 18: around the world, including us, we're all just bowing and scraping.

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Speaker 18: And to Trump's you call him a dictator, for sure.

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Speaker 2: He's definitely not. I mean, he's definitely not a dictator. Glenn.

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00:56:47,293 --> 00:56:50,053
Speaker 2: He was in the election, so he got more votes

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00:56:50,093 --> 00:56:52,693
Speaker 2: in the opposition and he'll be out in four years.

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00:56:52,973 --> 00:56:54,653
Speaker 2: I mean, there's absolutely no way. Trump is that you

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00:56:54,773 --> 00:56:57,493
Speaker 2: might not like Trump, but he's involved in a democratic

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00:56:57,533 --> 00:56:59,413
Speaker 2: process to the point where he's getting thwarted in a

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Speaker 2: lot of what he wants to do. He's not a

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00:57:02,133 --> 00:57:05,293
Speaker 2: dictator like the Chinese Communist Communist Party is. He's not

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00:57:05,533 --> 00:57:09,173
Speaker 2: being able to get his own way, just blanket. And

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Speaker 2: I think part of the problem is we only hear

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Speaker 2: the positive stories out of China because they they control

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Speaker 2: the message. But there's other analysis. And thank you so

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00:57:17,853 --> 00:57:19,453
Speaker 2: much for your call, Glenn. We've just got to go

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00:57:19,493 --> 00:57:22,253
Speaker 2: to an ad really appreciate man. But there's other analysis

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00:57:22,293 --> 00:57:25,333
Speaker 2: that you can look into China about the population collapse

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00:57:25,413 --> 00:57:28,693
Speaker 2: in China and a huge amount of problems in terms

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00:57:28,733 --> 00:57:33,693
Speaker 2: of their what what they're dealing now, timu profits having

1108
00:57:34,053 --> 00:57:36,373
Speaker 2: and such. There's there's a huge amount of problems in China.

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00:57:36,413 --> 00:57:37,973
Speaker 2: You don't really hear about as much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look to Glenn's point, and thank you very

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00:57:40,533 --> 00:57:42,173
Speaker 3: much for it for your call, Glenn. But he did

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00:57:42,213 --> 00:57:45,733
Speaker 3: say that China gets things done, and that is Glenn,

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00:57:45,733 --> 00:57:47,853
Speaker 3: I'm not being facetious here, but that is advocating for

1114
00:57:47,893 --> 00:57:53,173
Speaker 3: a dictator style operation. The dictators get things done. But

1115
00:57:53,173 --> 00:57:53,933
Speaker 3: but at what cost.

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00:57:54,093 --> 00:57:56,093
Speaker 2: Well, at the cost is you can't ring up new stills.

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00:57:56,093 --> 00:57:57,973
Speaker 2: He'd be and complain about the government without getting a

1118
00:57:58,013 --> 00:57:59,973
Speaker 2: knock on your door exactly twenty.

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Speaker 1: Seven fast too, matd Heathen, Tyler Adams. Afternoons call Oh

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty on News Talk ZV.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We're talking about our relationship with China versus

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00:58:14,533 --> 00:58:19,013
Speaker 3: our relationship with US and other format allies in terms

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Speaker 3: of a strategic partnership military partnership. It is based on

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Speaker 3: an open letter that has been signed by Helen Clark,

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Speaker 3: Don Brash, among others. It is addressed to our Prime Minister,

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Speaker 3: and it says we have moved away from China at

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Speaker 3: our own detriment.

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Speaker 8: Do you know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really concerning, and I think why people

1130
00:58:35,413 --> 00:58:37,213
Speaker 2: get so angry about this is the text like this,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. If you don't think Trump is a dictator,

1132
00:58:39,213 --> 00:58:41,413
Speaker 2: I suggest you ask the majority of Americans that question.

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00:58:41,573 --> 00:58:44,213
Speaker 2: Just because he was elected democratically doesn't mean he's not

1134
00:58:44,253 --> 00:58:46,973
Speaker 2: a dictator. Now, once again, no logic in what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Give me one example of something dictatorial that he's done.

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00:58:50,933 --> 00:58:55,853
Speaker 2: He's not a dictator, you know, That's what it says.

1137
00:58:56,093 --> 00:59:00,053
Speaker 2: On certain social media to get you remaining on that

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00:59:00,133 --> 00:59:03,173
Speaker 2: social media. That's how the algorithms work. But there's no

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Speaker 2: way you can say that that Trump is a dictator.

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00:59:06,413 --> 00:59:10,013
Speaker 2: It's just not true. They ran an election, you know.

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00:59:10,373 --> 00:59:13,293
Speaker 3: And he got voted in. On the other side said

1142
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Speaker 3: it is fair and open election and democracy, and it is.

1143
00:59:17,853 --> 00:59:19,853
Speaker 2: There's a Congress that can vote down his bills.

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00:59:20,493 --> 00:59:22,973
Speaker 3: There are disagreements in America, of course there is, but

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00:59:23,013 --> 00:59:24,933
Speaker 3: it is still a democracy.

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Speaker 2: There are judges that are shutting down Trump's agenda that

1147
00:59:29,853 --> 00:59:33,773
Speaker 2: if this was China, those Trumps, those judges would disappear,

1148
00:59:34,933 --> 00:59:39,013
Speaker 2: you know exactly. You try running an opposition party in China.

1149
00:59:39,173 --> 00:59:39,973
Speaker 2: Let's see how you go.

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Speaker 3: But it is it's this sort of language, you know,

1151
00:59:44,013 --> 00:59:46,773
Speaker 3: it's a dictatorship in the year where so it's getting

1152
00:59:46,773 --> 00:59:49,333
Speaker 3: back to nineteen thirty nine. It's it's sort of language

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00:59:49,373 --> 00:59:53,373
Speaker 3: that gets promoted on social media and it is just lunacy.

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Speaker 2: And that's so much. That's why I was kind of

1155
00:59:55,533 --> 00:59:59,973
Speaker 2: horrified when I watched Helen Clark's interview with Samantha Hayes,

1156
01:00:00,333 --> 01:00:03,973
Speaker 2: where she was saying things that were so overtly untrue

1157
01:00:03,973 --> 01:00:05,893
Speaker 2: that it made me think, oh my God, they've even

1158
01:00:05,933 --> 01:00:09,093
Speaker 2: got to an ex Prime Minister of New Zealand. She

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01:00:09,333 --> 01:00:11,653
Speaker 2: has even been twisted by the algorithm to the point

1160
01:00:11,653 --> 01:00:16,933
Speaker 2: where she believed things that are just so clearly untrue.

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Speaker 2: And look, Trump does that to him. He's a black hole.

1162
01:00:19,333 --> 01:00:22,453
Speaker 2: People spin around him. That twists them. Trump arrangement syndrome

1163
01:00:22,533 --> 01:00:25,933
Speaker 2: is a real thing. He warps people's minds to the

1164
01:00:25,973 --> 01:00:28,253
Speaker 2: point now that people will say that you're an idiot

1165
01:00:28,293 --> 01:00:30,933
Speaker 2: if you don't think he's a dictator. You don't have

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01:00:30,973 --> 01:00:32,733
Speaker 2: to agree with them, you don't have to like. The

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01:00:32,773 --> 01:00:35,213
Speaker 2: reason why you care about that, The reason why you

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Speaker 2: care about it, Texter, is because social media is generated

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Speaker 2: out of America, which practices the most robust free speech

1170
01:00:45,813 --> 01:00:49,333
Speaker 2: rules in the world thanks to their constitution. So you

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01:00:49,413 --> 01:00:52,453
Speaker 2: hear everything, everything dirty and disgusting out of America is

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01:00:52,573 --> 01:00:54,733
Speaker 2: laid out for us to look at and pack over

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01:00:55,173 --> 01:00:58,093
Speaker 2: and gossip about and get angry about. The reason why

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01:00:58,133 --> 01:00:59,973
Speaker 2: you don't have the same amount of information coming out

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01:00:59,973 --> 01:01:02,093
Speaker 2: of China that for you to be angry about is

1176
01:01:02,133 --> 01:01:04,693
Speaker 2: because it's shut down because they're not a democracy.

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Speaker 3: How nicely said headlines with ray Lean coming up, then

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Speaker 3: we're going to carry this.

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Speaker 13: On you talk, said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis,

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Speaker 13: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. Fertilizer company balance

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Speaker 13: Agrin Nutrients has confirmed sixty people will lose their jobs

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Speaker 13: when it ceases production of super phosphate in mart Manganui

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Speaker 13: this year. It will continue to manufacture in Vicargo in

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Speaker 13: Taranaki and import. A man's told an inquest about helping

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Speaker 13: people stabbed by a terrorist in an Auckland countdown in

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Speaker 13: twenty twenty one and telling him his God wouldn't condone

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Speaker 13: what he did. Police are looking for a red ute

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Speaker 13: and its driver who fled after hitting in seriously injuring

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Speaker 13: a woman near the Rutadurs, Tutanikai and Hopappa streets last night.

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Speaker 13: High winds and large swells have forced the cancelation of

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Speaker 13: ends in Herald Premium. Back to Matt Ethan Tyner Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Ray Lean, I'm really concerned about the state of people's

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Speaker 2: minds because if you seriously think that the United States

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Speaker 2: isn't a representative democracy and that it is somehow analogous,

1201
01:02:34,773 --> 01:02:37,773
Speaker 2: no matter how much you hate Trump, no matter how

1202
01:02:37,853 --> 01:02:41,453
Speaker 2: much you hate Trump, if you think that America is

1203
01:02:41,493 --> 01:02:43,613
Speaker 2: in a democracy in the same way that China is

1204
01:02:43,653 --> 01:02:46,213
Speaker 2: in a democracy, I seriously suggest you get out of

1205
01:02:46,253 --> 01:02:52,173
Speaker 2: whatever social media bubble or whatever group you're in and

1206
01:02:52,213 --> 01:02:53,973
Speaker 2: have a look around and talk to some more things.

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01:02:54,013 --> 01:02:56,253
Speaker 2: Because you are being played by the algorithm. You're being

1208
01:02:56,333 --> 01:03:00,853
Speaker 2: played by people that gain from making you scared, and

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01:03:00,933 --> 01:03:03,013
Speaker 2: you are spending more time being scared than you need

1210
01:03:03,053 --> 01:03:06,573
Speaker 2: to be scared. Because America is still well and truly

1211
01:03:06,693 --> 01:03:11,613
Speaker 2: absolutely a democracy. It's propaganda, I mean democracy, it's not

1212
01:03:11,653 --> 01:03:14,013
Speaker 2: a pure democracy. Hey, guys, great chat. I think that

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Speaker 2: Trump thing is he can't be a dictator, but he

1214
01:03:16,253 --> 01:03:18,013
Speaker 2: would love to be one. Well, that's a different issue.

1215
01:03:18,813 --> 01:03:20,533
Speaker 2: That could be true. Yeah, I mean, and you don't

1216
01:03:20,533 --> 01:03:21,853
Speaker 2: have to be a fan of Trump to say that

1217
01:03:21,893 --> 01:03:26,293
Speaker 2: he's not a dictator. He's objectively not a dictator, whereas

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01:03:26,533 --> 01:03:31,453
Speaker 2: China is objectively a one party country, whatever you think

1219
01:03:31,453 --> 01:03:32,293
Speaker 2: about anything else.

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01:03:32,493 --> 01:03:35,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, good to clear that one up, Paul, how are

1221
01:03:35,293 --> 01:03:36,693
Speaker 3: you not too bad?

1222
01:03:36,773 --> 01:03:40,133
Speaker 4: Lets look quick quick one for you. This open letter

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01:03:40,933 --> 01:03:46,213
Speaker 4: we've got yep, wouldn't make a difference if those people

1224
01:03:46,213 --> 01:03:47,813
Speaker 4: that have got the names at the bottom of that

1225
01:03:47,893 --> 01:03:51,613
Speaker 4: letter would say, receive one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

1226
01:03:51,693 --> 01:03:54,213
Speaker 4: for their John hancoffs on the bottom of that document.

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01:03:55,213 --> 01:03:58,133
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I suppose it depends on who's who's writing

1228
01:03:58,133 --> 01:03:58,533
Speaker 3: that check.

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01:03:58,613 --> 01:04:01,493
Speaker 2: So this is just a thought experiment.

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Speaker 4: Well not really. No, you're talking about Sergiffrey Palmer. There's

1231
01:04:06,093 --> 01:04:09,093
Speaker 4: Chin and Tarma. That's the number one lobbyist you know

1232
01:04:09,733 --> 01:04:11,893
Speaker 4: in the country. Right, You're talking about people that have

1233
01:04:12,013 --> 01:04:16,373
Speaker 4: had previous leap unfitted access to the back doors of government.

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01:04:16,533 --> 01:04:16,733
Speaker 6: Right.

1235
01:04:17,093 --> 01:04:20,253
Speaker 4: These are people that put their names on something it

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01:04:20,373 --> 01:04:24,253
Speaker 4: costs somebody some money. They are lobbyists, right, and you

1237
01:04:24,293 --> 01:04:27,773
Speaker 4: know there is no two ways about it, right. But

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01:04:28,373 --> 01:04:31,333
Speaker 4: further on from that, you know there are things that

1239
01:04:31,613 --> 01:04:33,613
Speaker 4: you know, the average key we the average New Zealander

1240
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Speaker 4: does not need to know with regards to you know,

1241
01:04:37,093 --> 01:04:41,733
Speaker 4: our angoepecific security strategy, what we're doing without a space

1242
01:04:41,813 --> 01:04:44,053
Speaker 4: you know, that's by no mistake that Rocket Lab have

1243
01:04:44,093 --> 01:04:46,813
Speaker 4: got a six hundred percent year on year bloody earned

1244
01:04:46,853 --> 01:04:50,373
Speaker 4: coming up for the next thirty years. Right, you know

1245
01:04:50,573 --> 01:04:52,653
Speaker 4: when you look at it, and this is something that

1246
01:04:52,693 --> 01:04:55,493
Speaker 4: will really ticked the box, right, and this is free

1247
01:04:55,533 --> 01:04:58,213
Speaker 4: information available to anyone who wants to look it up.

1248
01:04:58,453 --> 01:05:01,533
Speaker 4: Healium three, right, which is something that I hadn't heard

1249
01:05:01,573 --> 01:05:05,813
Speaker 4: of until about two three weeks ago. Helium three is

1250
01:05:05,893 --> 01:05:09,693
Speaker 4: being mined by China on the backside the moon has

1251
01:05:09,773 --> 01:05:13,253
Speaker 4: done for the last twenty four months. That there is

1252
01:05:13,333 --> 01:05:18,293
Speaker 4: something that would actually end our fossil fuels. No need

1253
01:05:18,373 --> 01:05:20,893
Speaker 4: to have any more energy crisis anywhere in the world

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01:05:20,973 --> 01:05:23,293
Speaker 4: than ext thousand years for the globe.

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Speaker 2: Well, Paul, I don't. I would have to look into that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that. I haven't heard anything

1257
01:05:27,893 --> 01:05:32,213
Speaker 2: about China mining three of the moon. But if I

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01:05:32,333 --> 01:05:34,573
Speaker 2: just go back a step, can you not imagine a

1259
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Speaker 2: situation where some ex politicians get together and from opposite

1260
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Speaker 2: ends of the aisle, and just because they love their

1261
01:05:42,133 --> 01:05:45,933
Speaker 2: country and they care about the way it's going, and

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01:05:46,053 --> 01:05:51,013
Speaker 2: that they have you know that they are experienced because

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01:05:51,013 --> 01:05:52,853
Speaker 2: they have been in government and they have insights that

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01:05:52,893 --> 01:05:55,373
Speaker 2: they might not just come together out of them, but

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Speaker 2: because they want to make the country a better place.

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Speaker 2: Because Paul, if you had that kind of influence, would

1267
01:06:01,853 --> 01:06:04,453
Speaker 2: you and you had the ability to get media talking

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01:06:04,493 --> 01:06:07,733
Speaker 2: about your point of view, and would you not take

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01:06:07,733 --> 01:06:09,453
Speaker 2: that opportunity for the good of the nation to get

1270
01:06:09,493 --> 01:06:11,813
Speaker 2: your point across you? Would you would?

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Speaker 4: You would need absolutely.

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Speaker 2: No no, but you would do it without it. You

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Speaker 2: wouldn't need. I don't think you. I think this is

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Speaker 2: quite likely.

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Speaker 4: With with you, with you, Winston, with back in Winston

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Speaker 4: and in due to columns and.

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Speaker 2: Enough good on you one hundred percent, and you should.

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Speaker 2: But I just think even if you disagree with what

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01:06:28,813 --> 01:06:31,133
Speaker 2: they have to say, I think there's a good chance

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Speaker 2: that Halen Clark, Don Brash and the other members of

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Speaker 2: this letter believe that what they are doing is right.

1282
01:06:38,733 --> 01:06:41,973
Speaker 2: And and I mean I think it's more likely that

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01:06:41,973 --> 01:06:44,853
Speaker 2: they're doing it for no financial financial game. I mean,

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01:06:45,093 --> 01:06:48,213
Speaker 2: maybe maybe their motivations are as Whinston Peter says, to

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Speaker 2: remain relevant. Maybe there's that that could be an accusation

1286
01:06:51,853 --> 01:06:54,293
Speaker 2: against against them, But I think it's more likely that

1287
01:06:54,293 --> 01:06:56,333
Speaker 2: they're getting so much more likely that they're getting no

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Speaker 2: money and they just believe, rightly or wrongly, that this

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Speaker 2: is this that the country is going in the wrong direction,

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Speaker 2: and they want to have some influence on it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, definitely not.

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Speaker 2: No, b can't convince ball.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, man. I mean this is you know,

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Speaker 3: it's about ideology, right, is that these these particular people

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Speaker 3: appreciate your corporul Yeah, thank you very much, Paul, when

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Speaker 3: they're on different side of the fences here on Don

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Speaker 3: Brash and Helen Clark. But clearly they firmly believe that

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Speaker 3: US moving away from China and strengthening our times with

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Speaker 3: the US is to our detriment. But that is because

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Speaker 3: they firmly believe that for no, you know, no other

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Speaker 3: reason of needed for that.

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Speaker 2: And I'll just look up that Chinese mining on the

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Speaker 2: dark side of the Moon.

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Speaker 3: Well, I had a look at helium three and there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of sources saying that it does exist on

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Speaker 3: the moon, and there is some efforts to try and

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Speaker 3: produce the technology to get up there and harvest it.

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Speaker 3: But I have yet to find any information about China

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Speaker 3: trying to get this helium three from the dark side

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Speaker 3: of the Moon. So we'll look into that and find

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Speaker 3: out oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call. It is nineteen to three.

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Speaker 5: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 5: everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be very good afternoons you. So the previous caller mention

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Speaker 3: this helium three that is believed to exist on the Moon.

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Speaker 3: So where he got his information from, as far as

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Speaker 3: I can tell, is a retired Air Force general. He

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Speaker 3: spoke to a podcaster but his name is Stephen Quast,

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Speaker 3: and he claimed that China had already started mining helium

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Speaker 3: three from the Moon. It is a rare form of

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Speaker 3: gas and NASA estimates that a million tons of it

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Speaker 3: is on the Moon. Scientists believe that helium three could

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Speaker 3: provide nuclear energy and a fusion reactor, but since it's

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Speaker 3: not radioactive, it would not produce dangerous waste. But he

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Speaker 3: made that claim to the Sean Ryan Show. So that

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Speaker 3: is where that information comes from. Whether he's a reliable

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Speaker 3: source just by himself as a retired US Air Force

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Speaker 3: lieutenant general, Well, you'd have to look into it further yourself.

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Speaker 2: Well, how great is that story that's been out this

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01:09:01,173 --> 01:09:03,333
Speaker 2: week about and obviously he's been working out for a

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01:09:03,333 --> 01:09:05,452
Speaker 2: long time. I forget his name, that's working on They

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Speaker 2: got the plasma going for the fusion on the steps.

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Speaker 2: What do you think he's got three more trials before

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Speaker 2: he thinks he can turn into react to and little

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Speaker 2: old New Zealand trying to get the dream of fusion going.

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Speaker 3: What an absolute legend that guy is.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this ticks here. What a load of nonsense. I'm

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Speaker 2: only influenced by social media. How insulting? Well, you know,

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01:09:24,213 --> 01:09:27,013
Speaker 2: it's just I don't I'm happy to insult people. I'm

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01:09:27,013 --> 01:09:29,772
Speaker 2: watching Trump's dictator actions now. I have been studying him

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01:09:29,812 --> 01:09:34,813
Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen. That is how I make my deductions.

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01:09:34,853 --> 01:09:37,053
Speaker 2: Nothing to do with social media's opinion. It's my own

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01:09:37,093 --> 01:09:39,532
Speaker 2: summarizing from watching his behavior for the last eight years.

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01:09:39,933 --> 01:09:42,892
Speaker 2: It's you Trumps who can't change your cult light attitude.

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01:09:42,933 --> 01:09:44,973
Speaker 2: I definitely want sale was a trumpet. That's ridiculous. But

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying is you can objectively show that Trump

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01:09:48,933 --> 01:09:51,852
Speaker 2: is not a dictator. But China is a one party state,

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01:09:52,133 --> 01:09:55,292
Speaker 2: and so if you believe that, then I seriously suggest

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01:09:55,333 --> 01:09:58,412
Speaker 2: for your own mental health that you read outside of

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01:09:58,412 --> 01:10:00,812
Speaker 2: the circles that you're reading and now and try and

1353
01:10:00,893 --> 01:10:04,412
Speaker 2: challenge that view, because I worry, I worry for you

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01:10:04,492 --> 01:10:08,092
Speaker 2: if you think Trump's a dictator. I just, seriously, seriously,

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01:10:08,133 --> 01:10:10,173
Speaker 2: I think thing that we all need to get outside

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01:10:10,213 --> 01:10:11,972
Speaker 2: of our bubbles and read more stuff.

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Speaker 3: The information is insidious, isn't it as really insidious? But

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Speaker 3: thank you very much for that text, Nat show you

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Speaker 3: want to have a chat about Winston Peters.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, how are you guys for Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Good for a Friday mate, how are you? Oh good?

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Speaker 16: Thank you good. I'll keep it so. There's probably other

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01:10:29,013 --> 01:10:30,892
Speaker 16: people wanted to get on heavy on as well, but

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Speaker 16: I just I think Winston Peter for some Winston Peter's

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Speaker 16: for someone who's been in politics for as long as

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Speaker 16: he is, he can he can certainly cut up with

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Speaker 16: the best of them, and he can. He gave the

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Speaker 16: Married Party a bit of a serious yesterday, and I

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01:10:45,372 --> 01:10:48,572
Speaker 16: thought it was quite enjoyable. When he called the leader

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Speaker 16: of the Married Party. He kept going on about how

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Speaker 16: he had his cowboy head on and he and and

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Speaker 16: he didn't like because he was, you know, he'd been colonialized.

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Speaker 16: And I just I just thought Winston Peters, it was

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Speaker 16: it was a good series, you know, and he ended

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Speaker 16: up having to apologize to a point of water or

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Speaker 16: whatever happened there. You know, he ended up offering up

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01:11:09,013 --> 01:11:11,253
Speaker 16: an apology, but you know, he kind of gaves them

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Speaker 16: a good serve and it's just, you know, it just

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Speaker 16: goes to show that Onst Peter's has been around all

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Speaker 16: this time and they can still swing with the best

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Speaker 16: of them, you know, give as good as he gets.

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Speaker 2: And what was this comment, Tyler? What was sorry, Natio Tyler?

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01:11:24,893 --> 01:11:28,052
Speaker 2: What was on Peter's comment pushing back on this letter

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01:11:28,093 --> 01:11:31,092
Speaker 2: from people including Don Brash and Helen Clark.

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Speaker 3: So he said, I quote, this is the direct quote.

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Speaker 3: I see no value in indulging the tight arguments of

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Speaker 3: various former politicians or official officials who appeared to be

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01:11:40,412 --> 01:11:42,972
Speaker 3: suffering from relevant deprivation syndrome.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got a quick that shuts people down.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily address the contents of the letter. But

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Speaker 2: but Naco, he's always got he's always he's very quick

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Speaker 2: asn't he He's eighty and he's as quick as ever.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, it was just yeah, it was just I

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01:11:55,532 --> 01:11:57,612
Speaker 16: just happened to see a little TikTok video that popped

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01:11:57,652 --> 01:12:00,892
Speaker 16: up on my social media and I sat there and

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01:12:00,893 --> 01:12:02,293
Speaker 16: watched it for a couple of minutes, and it was

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01:12:02,612 --> 01:12:05,492
Speaker 16: it was just so entertaining in one sense, but you know,

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01:12:05,532 --> 01:12:07,692
Speaker 16: it kind of gives them a serve and one. But look,

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Speaker 16: I don't I don't think we have to follow China.

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Speaker 16: You know, if they don't want our more or if

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01:12:12,612 --> 01:12:15,172
Speaker 16: I don't want our meat, well plenty of other countries

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01:12:15,213 --> 01:12:17,772
Speaker 16: it will take our take our meat, and take our wine,

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01:12:17,772 --> 01:12:20,213
Speaker 16: and take our probably not probably not as much as

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Speaker 16: what China takes, but you.

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Speaker 3: Know, we'll go to diversifying, right, That's that is an

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01:12:26,572 --> 01:12:28,812
Speaker 3: important strategy if you can make that work, and hence

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Speaker 3: why our Prime minister made a big play for India

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01:12:32,372 --> 01:12:34,892
Speaker 3: and are certainly making big plays for free trade agreements

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01:12:34,893 --> 01:12:37,452
Speaker 3: with other countries. That's all about diversifying and if we

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Speaker 3: can do that, then we're all the better for it.

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Speaker 2: But that is difficult to do. Yeah, well, that's what

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm trying to say. I think that there's

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Speaker 2: no often in these situations, there is no right answer.

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01:12:48,853 --> 01:12:51,492
Speaker 2: There's just trade offs, right, and we're currently as we've

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Speaker 2: been saying for this whole hour, and I fear we

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01:12:54,293 --> 01:12:57,213
Speaker 2: never quite got to the conversation that we wanted to have,

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01:12:58,213 --> 01:13:01,293
Speaker 2: but probably because the bigger elephant of the room was

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01:13:01,333 --> 01:13:05,092
Speaker 2: just the difficult position that New Zealand's in between historical

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01:13:05,133 --> 01:13:07,932
Speaker 2: allies and dealing with the democracy of the United States

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01:13:07,933 --> 01:13:11,012
Speaker 2: of America with all its problems, and there's no doubt

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01:13:11,093 --> 01:13:15,893
Speaker 2: there's corruption and there's a horror show an American democracy,

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01:13:16,093 --> 01:13:20,652
Speaker 2: it's all laid bare. But against China that we wouldn't

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Speaker 2: even recognize how that's run. We would not like it.

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Speaker 2: And I think there's a big problem coming if there's

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Speaker 2: ever any an invasion of Taiwan, and you know, some

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01:13:28,612 --> 01:13:31,213
Speaker 2: people have been saying it's been geared up to some

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01:13:31,253 --> 01:13:35,453
Speaker 2: people are putting a date like the you know, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight, twenty twenty nine, who knows, who knows what

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01:13:37,692 --> 01:13:39,692
Speaker 2: will happen, But that's going to put us in an

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Speaker 2: incredibly terrible position if China should invade Taiwan. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know what's going to happen under those circumstances.

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Speaker 2: So it's all about where the line goes towards our

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01:13:51,612 --> 01:13:56,012
Speaker 2: defense of allegiance with the Western Bloc, and how far

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01:13:56,253 --> 01:13:59,892
Speaker 2: we have to compromise that to keep trading with China

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01:13:59,933 --> 01:14:01,692
Speaker 2: exactly so we can paye our bills.

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Speaker 3: And Judith Collins, whatever you may think personally, a Judith Colin,

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01:14:04,853 --> 01:14:07,773
Speaker 3: she is switched on person and she has seen intelligence

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01:14:07,812 --> 01:14:09,893
Speaker 3: that we are not seen and talking to counterparts in

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01:14:09,933 --> 01:14:12,252
Speaker 3: other parts of the world, and some of the language

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01:14:12,293 --> 01:14:15,932
Speaker 3: she was using in terms of the need to increase

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01:14:15,973 --> 01:14:19,933
Speaker 3: that budget for a military. You know, I put a

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01:14:19,933 --> 01:14:23,532
Speaker 3: lot of trust into the intelligence that she's seen that

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01:14:23,612 --> 01:14:26,492
Speaker 3: we cannot see on the value of doing that.

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Speaker 2: But great discussion. Well, a lot of people are texting

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01:14:30,333 --> 01:14:31,852
Speaker 2: through I've got to answer this on nine two ninety

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01:14:31,853 --> 01:14:36,293
Speaker 2: two saying that people can be elected and then become dictators.

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01:14:36,612 --> 01:14:38,933
Speaker 2: That's absolutely true, but it's not through democracy that they

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01:14:39,013 --> 01:14:42,572
Speaker 2: become dictators. It's a subversion of democracy right now and

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01:14:43,213 --> 01:14:47,452
Speaker 2: right now in America objectively speaking, there is a representative

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01:14:47,452 --> 01:14:52,812
Speaker 2: democracy going on, yeah with you know, and we don't

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01:14:52,893 --> 01:14:55,452
Speaker 2: understand the powers that a president has, which is different

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01:14:55,452 --> 01:14:56,973
Speaker 2: from what we have in New Zealand because we've got

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01:14:56,973 --> 01:14:59,412
Speaker 2: a different form of democracy than they do. But they

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01:14:59,532 --> 01:15:04,732
Speaker 2: have they give special powers to the president and commander

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01:15:04,772 --> 01:15:06,972
Speaker 2: in chief, head of the executive branch that we don't

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01:15:06,973 --> 01:15:09,612
Speaker 2: really understand here, but it is democracy and it's not

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01:15:09,652 --> 01:15:11,932
Speaker 2: a one party state like China, and we're.

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01:15:11,772 --> 01:15:13,133
Speaker 3: Going to have to keep saying it because you're up

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01:15:13,133 --> 01:15:14,812
Speaker 3: against the algorithms on social media.

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01:15:14,812 --> 01:15:15,772
Speaker 2: I'm not pretty powerful.

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01:15:16,213 --> 01:15:18,333
Speaker 3: Great discussion, thank you very much.

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01:15:18,372 --> 01:15:20,492
Speaker 2: If you're getting your politics from TikTok, then then I

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01:15:20,532 --> 01:15:21,933
Speaker 2: fear for yourself.

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01:15:21,933 --> 01:15:25,973
Speaker 3: Is nine to three, the issues that affect you and

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01:15:26,093 --> 01:15:27,372
Speaker 3: a bit of fun along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks'd be.

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01:15:32,612 --> 01:15:34,012
Speaker 3: Afternoon. It is six to three.

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01:15:34,253 --> 01:15:37,852
Speaker 2: It's quad a good text from any here, Matt and Tyler.

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01:15:37,853 --> 01:15:40,173
Speaker 2: So after Winston's words, I take it he won't comment

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01:15:40,213 --> 01:15:41,093
Speaker 2: after retirement.

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Speaker 4: He will.

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Speaker 2: He will. He'll be commenting till his last breath, that's

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01:15:47,812 --> 01:15:51,492
Speaker 2: for sure. Absolutely good text. Yeah, anyway, let's put that conversation.

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01:15:51,572 --> 01:15:54,852
Speaker 2: But it was a very good conversation, wide ranging, challenge.

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01:15:54,933 --> 01:15:58,372
Speaker 2: Enjoyed it. Now let's take this conversation to finish the earth.

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01:15:58,452 --> 01:16:00,532
Speaker 2: I want to take it back in part into the past.

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01:16:01,053 --> 01:16:03,572
Speaker 2: And like this, AI is terrifying. There's a lot of

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01:16:03,572 --> 01:16:05,492
Speaker 2: stuff that it's doing that we don't like, but there's

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01:16:05,492 --> 01:16:08,293
Speaker 2: also a lot of fantastic stuff that it's doing. Out there.

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01:16:08,372 --> 01:16:12,213
Speaker 2: It's hugely entertaining and if you spend any time of

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01:16:12,253 --> 01:16:14,372
Speaker 2: the wall on the internet, you see that the vox

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01:16:14,412 --> 01:16:17,492
Speaker 2: pop has made a huge return and people just going

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01:16:17,492 --> 01:16:20,732
Speaker 2: ask people on the street for content. So this person

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01:16:21,053 --> 01:16:24,572
Speaker 2: decided to run through AI. It comes with a video,

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01:16:24,772 --> 01:16:28,093
Speaker 2: but the audio is good enough, asking people doing vox

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01:16:28,093 --> 01:16:32,173
Speaker 2: pops with people from the fifteen hundreds in England and

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01:16:32,213 --> 01:16:35,772
Speaker 2: the fifteen hundreds. So it's created a video asking AI

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01:16:35,933 --> 01:16:37,892
Speaker 2: to generate what people would say if there were asked

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01:16:37,933 --> 01:16:40,892
Speaker 2: questions on the streets in the fifteen hundreds. What's lifelike

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01:16:40,973 --> 01:16:41,652
Speaker 2: for you right now?

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01:16:42,333 --> 01:16:46,933
Speaker 18: Woke up, stepped in, done, got taxed and that was

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01:16:46,973 --> 01:16:47,853
Speaker 18: before breakfast.

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01:16:48,652 --> 01:16:49,732
Speaker 3: Do you enjoy your work?

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01:16:50,572 --> 01:16:50,732
Speaker 14: Eh?

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01:16:51,572 --> 01:16:56,572
Speaker 2: It's honest work and no one talks back. What do

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01:16:56,572 --> 01:16:57,492
Speaker 2: you think of King Henry?

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01:16:58,053 --> 01:17:00,972
Speaker 14: Oh, well, he's very committed to.

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01:17:03,452 --> 01:17:05,772
Speaker 2: Marrying. How's the health situation looking?

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01:17:06,293 --> 01:17:06,572
Speaker 1: Well?

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01:17:07,772 --> 01:17:13,293
Speaker 2: Everyone I saw yesterday is dead today. So how do

1501
01:17:13,333 --> 01:17:17,692
Speaker 2: you respond to the witch accusations? If I were a witch,

1502
01:17:18,372 --> 01:17:19,572
Speaker 2: you'd already be a frog.

1503
01:17:20,452 --> 01:17:23,772
Speaker 3: What's the biggest challenge for a noble woman these days?

1504
01:17:23,812 --> 01:17:27,773
Speaker 16: Three hours to get dressed and still no pockets?

1505
01:17:28,333 --> 01:17:31,933
Speaker 2: That's business flower shortage.

1506
01:17:32,133 --> 01:17:36,052
Speaker 14: The oven is cursed and rats, lots of rats.

1507
01:17:36,372 --> 01:17:38,092
Speaker 2: What's life like for a farmer right now?

1508
01:17:38,412 --> 01:17:41,333
Speaker 3: Hard work, saw back, but the soil is good this year.

1509
01:17:41,933 --> 01:17:45,333
Speaker 2: Might even eat something with meat next week. It's pretty good.

1510
01:17:45,452 --> 01:17:47,572
Speaker 3: So good, isn't it so good? But it makes you

1511
01:17:47,612 --> 01:17:49,852
Speaker 3: thankful for living? And twenty twenty five, I've got to say.

1512
01:17:49,692 --> 01:17:51,293
Speaker 2: It's to be here. It's kind of bitter when you

1513
01:17:51,293 --> 01:17:53,492
Speaker 2: can see the doctor they're talking to as the plague

1514
01:17:53,492 --> 01:17:55,093
Speaker 2: doctor and one of those plague masks and one of

1515
01:17:55,133 --> 01:17:57,412
Speaker 2: the people they're talking to as an executioner. But it's

1516
01:17:57,492 --> 01:17:59,572
Speaker 2: very good. There's some good stuff coming out of AI.

1517
01:17:59,812 --> 01:18:03,652
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely right. Coming up after three o'clock, we want

1518
01:18:03,692 --> 01:18:07,572
Speaker 3: to talk about the greatest New Zealand coach of all time.

1519
01:18:07,893 --> 01:18:10,093
Speaker 3: There's been some fantastic texts that have come through, but

1520
01:18:10,173 --> 01:18:11,933
Speaker 3: really can to get your view on eight hundred and

1521
01:18:12,013 --> 01:18:15,333
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty it is four minutes to three.

1522
01:18:15,412 --> 01:18:18,012
Speaker 2: New Sport and Weather coming up, and don't forget Tyler.

1523
01:18:18,133 --> 01:18:21,092
Speaker 2: We'll be announcing the Matt and Tyler afternoons New Zealander

1524
01:18:21,093 --> 01:18:23,333
Speaker 2: of the Week. Oh yeah, that is coming next.

1525
01:18:46,893 --> 01:18:51,172
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1526
01:18:51,412 --> 01:18:54,692
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1527
01:18:54,612 --> 01:18:59,652
Speaker 3: Sebby afternoon, Welcome back into the show, seven past three

1528
01:18:59,732 --> 01:19:02,412
Speaker 3: on a Friday. Right, we're going to have a chat

1529
01:19:02,532 --> 01:19:05,932
Speaker 3: very shortly about New Zealand's greatest coach of all time

1530
01:19:06,013 --> 01:19:07,572
Speaker 3: sporting coach of courses on.

1531
01:19:07,532 --> 01:19:08,812
Speaker 2: The back of Gary Steared.

1532
01:19:09,013 --> 01:19:14,333
Speaker 3: He has retired and his replacement has been named Rob Walter,

1533
01:19:14,452 --> 01:19:17,652
Speaker 3: former South Africa Otago in Central District, Bosford. No doubt

1534
01:19:17,853 --> 01:19:21,093
Speaker 3: Gary Stead one of the greatest coaches of all time.

1535
01:19:21,293 --> 01:19:23,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to say, I mean winning that Test

1536
01:19:23,612 --> 01:19:27,293
Speaker 2: series in India, that was phenomenal, winning the World Test Championship.

1537
01:19:27,333 --> 01:19:30,372
Speaker 2: He's had an incredible amount of success in his times

1538
01:19:30,652 --> 01:19:35,333
Speaker 2: as coach. He's stepping down and you know who, you

1539
01:19:35,333 --> 01:19:39,173
Speaker 2: can't blame him that. The stress and the workload of

1540
01:19:39,213 --> 01:19:41,973
Speaker 2: being a cricket coach across all three formats in New

1541
01:19:42,013 --> 01:19:42,612
Speaker 2: Zealand is.

1542
01:19:42,652 --> 01:19:45,052
Speaker 3: Phenomenal, absolutely, but it's at a great job.

1543
01:19:45,853 --> 01:19:48,933
Speaker 2: There might be an argument that he's the most successful

1544
01:19:49,933 --> 01:19:53,012
Speaker 2: cricket coach in New Zealand's history. So I would say

1545
01:19:53,173 --> 01:19:56,973
Speaker 2: that Mike Heessen. I personally think Mike Kessen was a

1546
01:19:57,093 --> 01:20:01,133
Speaker 2: more a transformative coach yep. I feel like he turned

1547
01:20:01,133 --> 01:20:03,892
Speaker 2: New Zealand cricket round and that Gary Stead was smart

1548
01:20:03,973 --> 01:20:06,212
Speaker 2: enough to follow on with a lot of what Mikeysen

1549
01:20:06,213 --> 01:20:07,492
Speaker 2: had done. But that's by the bye. Let's think get

1550
01:20:07,492 --> 01:20:09,133
Speaker 2: into it. We want to talk about across the board.

1551
01:20:09,133 --> 01:20:13,253
Speaker 2: It's boarded out to who is New Zealand's greatest ever

1552
01:20:13,452 --> 01:20:14,812
Speaker 2: coach across all codes?

1553
01:20:14,933 --> 01:20:17,372
Speaker 3: Yeap oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1554
01:20:17,492 --> 01:20:19,452
Speaker 3: number to call love to hear your thoughts on. This

1555
01:20:19,492 --> 01:20:20,972
Speaker 3: is going to be a fun chat, but right now

1556
01:20:21,013 --> 01:20:22,533
Speaker 3: it is eight past three.

1557
01:20:22,732 --> 01:20:25,532
Speaker 2: Every Friday on Matt and Tyler Afternoons on ZB we

1558
01:20:25,652 --> 01:20:27,973
Speaker 2: name the New Zealander of the Week and honor that

1559
01:20:28,013 --> 01:20:30,412
Speaker 2: we bestow on your behalf to a newsmaker who has

1560
01:20:30,412 --> 01:20:32,852
Speaker 2: had an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation

1561
01:20:33,253 --> 01:20:36,372
Speaker 2: over the previous seven days. As always, there'll be three nominees,

1562
01:20:36,412 --> 01:20:39,293
Speaker 2: but only one winner. And remember, as I say every week,

1563
01:20:39,692 --> 01:20:41,892
Speaker 2: like the Time magazine Person of the Year, the New

1564
01:20:41,973 --> 01:20:45,333
Speaker 2: Zealand of the Week isn't always an agent of good.

1565
01:20:45,412 --> 01:20:47,732
Speaker 2: So without further ado, the nominees for Matt and Tyler

1566
01:20:47,772 --> 01:20:50,812
Speaker 2: Afternoons New Zealand of the Week are nominee one also

1567
01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:53,012
Speaker 2: gets the time to poople get off the Poty Award.

1568
01:20:53,452 --> 01:20:55,612
Speaker 2: She's in the news again this week. Do we knock

1569
01:20:55,612 --> 01:20:57,612
Speaker 2: her down? Do we work out a one hundred year

1570
01:20:57,692 --> 01:20:59,772
Speaker 2: lease so someone can knock her into shape? Or do

1571
01:20:59,853 --> 01:21:03,732
Speaker 2: we bankrupt ourselves keeping her from becoming stinky, rotten and gross.

1572
01:21:04,053 --> 01:21:06,892
Speaker 2: You are beautiful, We love you, but two million dollars

1573
01:21:06,933 --> 01:21:11,492
Speaker 2: a year to keep you close as freaking crazy chateau

1574
01:21:11,692 --> 01:21:16,412
Speaker 2: tonguereo fast becoming the shitto tonguerero. You are nominated for

1575
01:21:16,492 --> 01:21:20,972
Speaker 2: New Zealander of the Week. Gone. Nominee two also gets

1576
01:21:21,053 --> 01:21:23,973
Speaker 2: the looks a lot like a hot Yoda Award. He

1577
01:21:24,013 --> 01:21:27,452
Speaker 2: has written some of our greatest songs Welcome Home, Be Mine, Tonight,

1578
01:21:27,532 --> 01:21:30,293
Speaker 2: Slice of Heaven. He's had his health issues, but that

1579
01:21:30,412 --> 01:21:33,372
Speaker 2: isn't stopping him just yet. You will not see a

1580
01:21:33,372 --> 01:21:37,052
Speaker 2: better sing along live show. Sir Dave Dobbin for being

1581
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:41,253
Speaker 2: a musical genius and a legend for decades and for

1582
01:21:41,412 --> 01:21:44,333
Speaker 2: absolutely ripping the Auckland Town Hall. And you won this week.

1583
01:21:44,492 --> 01:21:47,012
Speaker 2: You are nominated for New Zealander of the Week. Yeah

1584
01:21:47,133 --> 01:21:50,772
Speaker 2: to Dave, all right, but sadly there can be only

1585
01:21:50,772 --> 01:21:55,012
Speaker 2: one and the winner also gets the explosively heartwarming award.

1586
01:21:55,973 --> 01:21:58,492
Speaker 2: There is a new crematorium coming to Havelock North. Some

1587
01:21:58,572 --> 01:22:01,133
Speaker 2: want at some don't. But what a caller to Matton

1588
01:22:01,133 --> 01:22:05,132
Speaker 2: Tyler Uffnu's wife wanted was a glass coffin. That wasn't possible,

1589
01:22:05,253 --> 01:22:09,452
Speaker 2: So this great New Zealander lovingly put several of lacquer

1590
01:22:09,492 --> 01:22:12,093
Speaker 2: on her casket. It was a thing of beauty. It

1591
01:22:12,173 --> 01:22:14,772
Speaker 2: was a fitting tribute to a lovely lady. It also

1592
01:22:14,853 --> 01:22:18,253
Speaker 2: exploded when it went into the oven for overlacquering your

1593
01:22:18,253 --> 01:22:20,892
Speaker 2: wife's coffin and blowing the bricks out the back of

1594
01:22:20,933 --> 01:22:24,972
Speaker 2: the crematorium. Call it Tony, you ah the met antyla

1595
01:22:25,093 --> 01:22:27,732
Speaker 2: afternoons new Zelander of the week.

1596
01:22:28,173 --> 01:22:29,813
Speaker 6: Take it away, howie.

1597
01:22:29,412 --> 01:22:35,892
Speaker 15: Whoo, congratulations Tony, give him a taste of peeweed, God

1598
01:22:35,973 --> 01:22:40,213
Speaker 15: bless God speed, and blow the bricks out of the

1599
01:22:40,372 --> 01:22:41,973
Speaker 15: back of that granatorium.

1600
01:22:42,173 --> 01:22:45,532
Speaker 8: Your beauty, Tony, she's always one of the glass coffin,

1601
01:22:45,893 --> 01:22:47,973
Speaker 8: so I had to do the next best thing. When

1602
01:22:48,013 --> 01:22:51,133
Speaker 8: I built it, there was pale tank, but there was

1603
01:22:51,173 --> 01:22:54,133
Speaker 8: twenty two coats of clear lacquer on it and it

1604
01:22:54,213 --> 01:22:58,252
Speaker 8: looked like glass. When they put it on the cremator,

1605
01:22:58,293 --> 01:23:02,293
Speaker 8: it went off like a bomb. They were gonna build

1606
01:23:02,333 --> 01:23:04,372
Speaker 8: me for it. I said no, no. I mean the

1607
01:23:04,452 --> 01:23:07,572
Speaker 8: Undertaker knew what was done, and it was him that

1608
01:23:07,612 --> 01:23:10,652
Speaker 8: presented the coffin to you. I know, you're not allowed

1609
01:23:10,652 --> 01:23:13,612
Speaker 8: to have guns or ammunition or anything. That twenty two

1610
01:23:13,692 --> 01:23:17,932
Speaker 8: coats of clear lacker is also very explosive.

1611
01:23:17,772 --> 01:23:23,932
Speaker 3: Far out ye yeah, blew the brooks out bricks.

1612
01:23:24,133 --> 01:23:27,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what do you think he said that is?

1613
01:23:27,173 --> 01:23:33,293
Speaker 3: I mean, that is a heck of a story to finish.

1614
01:23:31,612 --> 01:23:36,133
Speaker 2: But bless yeah. But just the torpedo like vision of that,

1615
01:23:36,213 --> 01:23:40,133
Speaker 2: and I thought he said, some bless you. But it

1616
01:23:40,532 --> 01:23:42,093
Speaker 2: blew the It blew the bricks out.

1617
01:23:42,133 --> 01:23:46,172
Speaker 1: Okay, Brack, Yeah, Mattie and Tyler Adams.

1618
01:23:46,853 --> 01:23:48,852
Speaker 3: World done, Tony, very well deserved.

1619
01:23:49,093 --> 01:23:50,732
Speaker 2: And you've got to say, what a what a feel

1620
01:23:50,853 --> 01:23:53,133
Speaker 2: to keep Gary Stead out of the you know, he

1621
01:23:53,213 --> 01:23:56,612
Speaker 2: wasn't even nominated, no, after such a fantastic tenure with

1622
01:23:56,652 --> 01:23:57,412
Speaker 2: the black Caps.

1623
01:23:58,133 --> 01:24:00,372
Speaker 3: But maybe next week, Gary, maybe next week.

1624
01:24:00,452 --> 01:24:01,973
Speaker 2: Well he didn't lack her up a coffin to the

1625
01:24:02,013 --> 01:24:04,452
Speaker 2: point that blow up a crematorium, so you know, he's

1626
01:24:04,492 --> 01:24:07,012
Speaker 2: not going to be in contention this week. Maybe another week.

1627
01:24:07,013 --> 01:24:11,052
Speaker 3: He got through exactly exactly it was tough nominations this week,

1628
01:24:11,293 --> 01:24:13,213
Speaker 3: all right, and that is what we are chatting about,

1629
01:24:13,253 --> 01:24:16,252
Speaker 3: not Tony blowing up the crematorium, but about New Zealand's

1630
01:24:16,253 --> 01:24:19,852
Speaker 3: greatest coach of all time. Gary Stead has stepped down

1631
01:24:20,093 --> 01:24:23,973
Speaker 3: as black Caps coach across all disciplines and his replacement

1632
01:24:24,013 --> 01:24:26,293
Speaker 3: has been announced. But we want to take it wider

1633
01:24:26,293 --> 01:24:29,372
Speaker 3: than that. Who is the greatest sporting coach of all

1634
01:24:29,412 --> 01:24:34,212
Speaker 3: time across every discipline, whether that is over the Olympics.

1635
01:24:33,772 --> 01:24:39,852
Speaker 2: The rugby, leg cricket, netball, Yeah eight hundred how oh.

1636
01:24:39,732 --> 01:24:42,173
Speaker 3: My god, geez, you haven't done that for we will no,

1637
01:24:42,612 --> 01:24:44,973
Speaker 3: so you get a Blackie Award, yeah, And then this

1638
01:24:45,053 --> 01:24:46,732
Speaker 3: sort of behavior slips back in won a.

1639
01:24:46,652 --> 01:24:49,213
Speaker 2: Few awards last night with my previous radio station. I

1640
01:24:49,372 --> 01:24:51,133
Speaker 2: just gave the number out, boy boy, how long have

1641
01:24:51,173 --> 01:24:53,093
Speaker 2: we doing the show? Titus? Six months? So this is

1642
01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:55,293
Speaker 2: why I never win New Zealander of the Week. Six

1643
01:24:55,333 --> 01:24:58,092
Speaker 2: months in this shob, I'm still giving another radio station's number.

1644
01:24:59,213 --> 01:25:03,053
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot ten eighty. The conversation. You know you

1645
01:25:03,093 --> 01:25:05,372
Speaker 2: don't look, Just ring up and we'll discuss who you

1646
01:25:05,452 --> 01:25:07,612
Speaker 2: think the best coaches. Maybe it's the sport you love.

1647
01:25:08,452 --> 01:25:11,253
Speaker 2: Maybe you're not one hundred percent sure about it. We'll

1648
01:25:11,293 --> 01:25:15,213
Speaker 2: just have the conversation because it's one of these one

1649
01:25:15,253 --> 01:25:16,852
Speaker 2: of these subjective things, isn't it.

1650
01:25:16,853 --> 01:25:19,293
Speaker 3: It is absolutely Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten

1651
01:25:19,372 --> 01:25:21,572
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Let's get into it.

1652
01:25:21,572 --> 01:25:26,652
Speaker 3: It's thirteen past three, good afternoon, sixteen past three, and

1653
01:25:26,692 --> 01:25:29,492
Speaker 3: we've asked the question, who is the greatest sporting coast

1654
01:25:29,492 --> 01:25:30,892
Speaker 3: New Zealand has ever seen?

1655
01:25:31,333 --> 01:25:36,213
Speaker 2: Yeah? Gary Stead has retired. Well he that's complicated, but anyway,

1656
01:25:36,213 --> 01:25:38,892
Speaker 2: he's no longer the coach, yes, yeah, because they wanted

1657
01:25:38,893 --> 01:25:42,452
Speaker 2: a coach that does all three codes, all three formats

1658
01:25:42,492 --> 01:25:44,852
Speaker 2: of the game. So he's no longer. I think he's

1659
01:25:44,853 --> 01:25:48,013
Speaker 2: been a fantastic coach for the black Caps and what

1660
01:25:48,053 --> 01:25:50,572
Speaker 2: a great New Zealand is great eyebrows sometimes they're longer,

1661
01:25:50,652 --> 01:25:53,812
Speaker 2: sometimes very look looks a bit like pikachuw yep. But

1662
01:25:53,973 --> 01:25:58,013
Speaker 2: fantastic coach, absolutely, But who is the greatest coach of

1663
01:25:58,093 --> 01:26:00,732
Speaker 2: all time across all codes? And it's a very hard

1664
01:26:00,812 --> 01:26:01,572
Speaker 2: question to answer.

1665
01:26:01,612 --> 01:26:04,173
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty, but we're going

1666
01:26:04,253 --> 01:26:05,333
Speaker 3: to discuss it dead.

1667
01:26:05,412 --> 01:26:06,573
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1668
01:26:07,293 --> 01:26:09,213
Speaker 19: Hey guys, Actually, how you're all doing?

1669
01:26:09,732 --> 01:26:11,653
Speaker 2: Very good. Hey, that was simultaneous.

1670
01:26:11,692 --> 01:26:17,732
Speaker 19: Til yeah, how can you choose? How can you choose?

1671
01:26:19,213 --> 01:26:21,772
Speaker 19: I mean I had a very only thought in my

1672
01:26:21,812 --> 01:26:26,372
Speaker 19: head was which coaches have taken teams to the World

1673
01:26:26,452 --> 01:26:33,812
Speaker 19: Cups okay full times and won them and are really

1674
01:26:34,013 --> 01:26:38,372
Speaker 19: coaching the most visible codes? And I mean, how can

1675
01:26:38,412 --> 01:26:39,732
Speaker 19: you pass Nolan Toto?

1676
01:26:39,732 --> 01:26:39,812
Speaker 7: Her?

1677
01:26:41,452 --> 01:26:45,013
Speaker 19: She's dame, She's huge, she continues, She's come back what

1678
01:26:45,173 --> 01:26:45,892
Speaker 19: three times?

1679
01:26:45,933 --> 01:26:46,133
Speaker 1: Now?

1680
01:26:46,652 --> 01:26:49,532
Speaker 19: They keep bringing you back because she's a legend. Steve Hanson,

1681
01:26:49,812 --> 01:26:52,892
Speaker 19: there's just there's no point in talking about him. Everybody

1682
01:26:52,933 --> 01:26:54,973
Speaker 19: knows that he's just the greatest of all time in

1683
01:26:55,013 --> 01:27:01,372
Speaker 19: his code. And and then you've got the the women's rugby,

1684
01:27:01,572 --> 01:27:04,613
Speaker 19: you know, and what Wayne Hanson did there was just phenomenal.

1685
01:27:05,133 --> 01:27:09,572
Speaker 19: So not Wayne Hanson, Wayne's.

1686
01:27:09,412 --> 01:27:12,093
Speaker 2: It's an interesting It's an interesting question because criteria is

1687
01:27:12,133 --> 01:27:14,333
Speaker 2: an important part of it, isn't it? Because you could say,

1688
01:27:14,412 --> 01:27:18,933
Speaker 2: with Steve Hanson, right, fantastically successful coach, but what a

1689
01:27:19,013 --> 01:27:22,333
Speaker 2: team he had underneath him. You've got your Richmally because

1690
01:27:22,452 --> 01:27:26,333
Speaker 2: your care and Reeds, you droon Kino's, you Ben Smith's,

1691
01:27:26,412 --> 01:27:28,893
Speaker 2: your Dan Carter's. That was a hell of a team

1692
01:27:29,133 --> 01:27:32,692
Speaker 2: he was coaching and sometimes.

1693
01:27:32,253 --> 01:27:34,092
Speaker 19: It was a crazy time in terms of choice.

1694
01:27:34,133 --> 01:27:35,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's why I've got a lot of time for

1695
01:27:35,692 --> 01:27:38,053
Speaker 2: Mike Hessen because he had a lot of talent and

1696
01:27:38,053 --> 01:27:40,572
Speaker 2: the black Cats, but he turned around and recreated and

1697
01:27:40,973 --> 01:27:46,333
Speaker 2: it was transformative coach. So you think Nolan Toto is

1698
01:27:47,213 --> 01:27:51,333
Speaker 2: a more significant Letble coach than Lowis Muir, Yes, I.

1699
01:27:51,333 --> 01:27:53,572
Speaker 19: Do, because she's current and she's modern.

1700
01:27:53,812 --> 01:27:54,132
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1701
01:27:54,293 --> 01:27:56,213
Speaker 19: Yeah, And I mean you can go back years and

1702
01:27:56,293 --> 01:27:59,692
Speaker 19: years and years and pull out coaches some previous years

1703
01:27:59,732 --> 01:28:04,372
Speaker 19: right for codes all over the world. But you're the

1704
01:28:04,412 --> 01:28:06,412
Speaker 19: problem with that is that they were modern and that

1705
01:28:06,572 --> 01:28:09,532
Speaker 19: they were they were coaching in their time. But today

1706
01:28:09,652 --> 01:28:12,452
Speaker 19: what we're dealing with is modern sport as a completely

1707
01:28:12,492 --> 01:28:15,972
Speaker 19: different base. Acts if you put them into the modern time,

1708
01:28:17,173 --> 01:28:19,412
Speaker 19: may not do as well as what they had done

1709
01:28:19,492 --> 01:28:21,812
Speaker 19: back then, you know. I mean they're all amazing people.

1710
01:28:22,933 --> 01:28:26,972
Speaker 19: I just think that some people have that X factor as.

1711
01:28:26,812 --> 01:28:29,253
Speaker 3: Well and the face of adversity for Noline as well.

1712
01:28:29,293 --> 01:28:32,173
Speaker 3: I mean when she's interviewed and what she's gone through

1713
01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:33,892
Speaker 3: and the pressure that was put on her, she has

1714
01:28:33,933 --> 01:28:34,733
Speaker 3: been phenomenal.

1715
01:28:35,732 --> 01:28:37,892
Speaker 19: Yeah, And I mean she's had her bad times and

1716
01:28:37,973 --> 01:28:42,213
Speaker 19: her good times, so she hasn't just been this icon

1717
01:28:42,692 --> 01:28:45,772
Speaker 19: when it's all been roses and fantastic. She'd come in

1718
01:28:45,812 --> 01:28:48,133
Speaker 19: when we were at our lowest and gone back down

1719
01:28:48,213 --> 01:28:50,372
Speaker 19: there but built it back up. And she's not only

1720
01:28:50,412 --> 01:28:55,173
Speaker 19: done it based on her success, she's also done it

1721
01:28:55,213 --> 01:29:00,013
Speaker 19: with models and processes and really smart, intelligent theory. And

1722
01:29:00,133 --> 01:29:02,773
Speaker 19: you know, she's not just the player. She does everything.

1723
01:29:04,093 --> 01:29:06,093
Speaker 2: You know, there's more than just inheriting a team that's

1724
01:29:06,133 --> 01:29:10,293
Speaker 2: already functional and doing very very well and then continuing

1725
01:29:10,333 --> 01:29:12,213
Speaker 2: it on. So yeah, that's that's the sort of that

1726
01:29:12,253 --> 01:29:13,492
Speaker 2: what what makes a great coach.

1727
01:29:13,532 --> 01:29:15,652
Speaker 19: And I mean and she brought Amelia here. It's a

1728
01:29:15,692 --> 01:29:19,412
Speaker 19: good example about bringing players through as those coaches Amelia

1729
01:29:19,452 --> 01:29:20,893
Speaker 19: around their canascio.

1730
01:29:21,652 --> 01:29:21,852
Speaker 4: You know.

1731
01:29:22,133 --> 01:29:24,372
Speaker 19: I mean, she recognized her talent from her time in

1732
01:29:24,372 --> 01:29:27,452
Speaker 19: Australia and said we want this girl, and she got

1733
01:29:27,492 --> 01:29:29,213
Speaker 19: her over here and got her playing in New Zealand.

1734
01:29:29,213 --> 01:29:32,173
Speaker 19: Now she would never have got into the Timonds. That's

1735
01:29:32,213 --> 01:29:35,092
Speaker 19: only a little example, but you know, I just how

1736
01:29:35,133 --> 01:29:38,492
Speaker 19: do you choose? So Jane Smith is amazing. Look what

1737
01:29:38,572 --> 01:29:40,652
Speaker 19: he's done for women's rugby.

1738
01:29:40,692 --> 01:29:42,492
Speaker 3: Winesmith is an incredible coach here.

1739
01:29:42,692 --> 01:29:46,452
Speaker 19: Now and and how he helped that team build their

1740
01:29:46,492 --> 01:29:48,732
Speaker 19: own persona incredible.

1741
01:29:48,372 --> 01:29:51,012
Speaker 2: Now in the world of netty, you've got to say

1742
01:29:51,213 --> 01:29:54,892
Speaker 2: Australian national coach Normal Plumber in her day was surely

1743
01:29:54,933 --> 01:29:57,652
Speaker 2: the most terrifying coach anywhere in the world ever, of

1744
01:29:57,732 --> 01:30:04,333
Speaker 2: any sports. Yeah, side of normal, it's funny when you

1745
01:30:04,333 --> 01:30:06,532
Speaker 2: see a smile, you know, she's got a beautiful smile.

1746
01:30:09,412 --> 01:30:12,612
Speaker 19: I was listening to Von Millarding the other day talking

1747
01:30:12,973 --> 01:30:15,333
Speaker 19: with one of the AZ Premiership things while it was

1748
01:30:15,333 --> 01:30:19,532
Speaker 19: on down South. Still mystics, I think, and she is.

1749
01:30:19,732 --> 01:30:22,013
Speaker 19: She is still terrifying as well, you know.

1750
01:30:22,933 --> 01:30:24,973
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got to be terrifying to be a

1751
01:30:24,973 --> 01:30:28,213
Speaker 2: netball coach. There's something about it. There's there's something about

1752
01:30:28,253 --> 01:30:31,173
Speaker 2: the netball world that I find quite scary when when

1753
01:30:31,173 --> 01:30:33,133
Speaker 2: I've been down to multiple net courts. It's a harsh

1754
01:30:33,213 --> 01:30:34,093
Speaker 2: it's a harsh world.

1755
01:30:34,133 --> 01:30:36,293
Speaker 3: If you're not an iron lady, you're not going to

1756
01:30:36,293 --> 01:30:36,932
Speaker 3: achieve much.

1757
01:30:38,293 --> 01:30:42,133
Speaker 19: Harsh When you're dealing with hundreds and hundreds of women

1758
01:30:42,173 --> 01:30:44,253
Speaker 19: on a daily basis, you're probably about right.

1759
01:30:44,093 --> 01:30:47,172
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, And it's always it's played in the initial

1760
01:30:47,253 --> 01:30:49,612
Speaker 2: stages in a cauldron of just lots and lots of

1761
01:30:49,652 --> 01:30:52,812
Speaker 2: courts and you know, small courts and a tight area,

1762
01:30:52,933 --> 01:30:58,652
Speaker 2: often on tarmac, and it's never canceled because of the weather. Yeah. Anyway,

1763
01:30:58,652 --> 01:31:00,013
Speaker 2: I thank you so much you called to ever really

1764
01:31:00,013 --> 01:31:00,692
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

1765
01:31:01,372 --> 01:31:03,293
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. O. One hundred and eighty ten

1766
01:31:03,372 --> 01:31:05,532
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call who is the greatest

1767
01:31:05,532 --> 01:31:09,532
Speaker 3: sporting coach of all time in New Zealand? And Look,

1768
01:31:09,572 --> 01:31:12,093
Speaker 3: it's hard to pick a winner here, but we're keen

1769
01:31:12,173 --> 01:31:15,932
Speaker 3: who you want to try and promote in nine nine two.

1770
01:31:15,933 --> 01:31:17,812
Speaker 2: There's a few techs coming through as well. Yeah, and

1771
01:31:17,853 --> 01:31:20,372
Speaker 2: look there's someone that we're going to go to after

1772
01:31:20,412 --> 01:31:24,812
Speaker 2: the break that is suggesting a coach, famous coach which

1773
01:31:24,973 --> 01:31:26,173
Speaker 2: with a family connection to me.

1774
01:31:26,253 --> 01:31:27,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is twenty two pars three.

1775
01:31:28,213 --> 01:31:36,813
Speaker 2: Okay, well very loose one. I'll take it.

1776
01:31:37,053 --> 01:31:40,732
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

1777
01:31:40,772 --> 01:31:42,733
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk zby.

1778
01:31:42,853 --> 01:31:45,492
Speaker 3: We're talking about the greatest ever sporting coach in New

1779
01:31:45,572 --> 01:31:47,732
Speaker 3: Zealand and Kenny get your views on at eight hundred

1780
01:31:47,772 --> 01:31:49,333
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. So it was quite the teas

1781
01:31:49,412 --> 01:31:52,492
Speaker 3: before the break, Matt, you mentioned there's a few techs

1782
01:31:52,492 --> 01:31:56,372
Speaker 3: and callers suggesting this particular person who has a family

1783
01:31:56,372 --> 01:31:57,333
Speaker 3: connection to yourself.

1784
01:31:57,452 --> 01:32:02,173
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let's not spoil it, Malcolm, welcome to the show,

1785
01:32:03,013 --> 01:32:03,492
Speaker 2: your coach.

1786
01:32:04,812 --> 01:32:05,852
Speaker 8: You can go on forever.

1787
01:32:05,933 --> 01:32:09,253
Speaker 7: And you've got guys like Russy Robinson, who else we

1788
01:32:09,372 --> 01:32:12,093
Speaker 7: got Fred Allen, et cetera, et cetera. But I'm a

1789
01:32:12,093 --> 01:32:14,612
Speaker 7: bit of an old bugger, and I'd probably say the

1790
01:32:14,652 --> 01:32:17,933
Speaker 7: greatest coach I've either had to deal with or know

1791
01:32:18,053 --> 01:32:21,492
Speaker 7: about it is probably up a Lidiady. People would even

1792
01:32:21,973 --> 01:32:23,973
Speaker 7: not a lot of people would even know who he was,

1793
01:32:24,053 --> 01:32:24,933
Speaker 7: but he.

1794
01:32:25,812 --> 01:32:30,132
Speaker 20: Snell absolutely when then he had that went to Norway

1795
01:32:30,133 --> 01:32:34,012
Speaker 20: and coached that Norwegian guy and he won the five

1796
01:32:34,053 --> 01:32:37,132
Speaker 20: thousand and ten thousand, so you know, and he coached

1797
01:32:37,173 --> 01:32:42,053
Speaker 20: dozens of athletes and but still using his methods.

1798
01:32:41,572 --> 01:32:45,132
Speaker 7: Today even you know, you look to talk about Wayne Smith,

1799
01:32:45,173 --> 01:32:47,452
Speaker 7: you talk about you know, I'm a rugby coach myself,

1800
01:32:47,492 --> 01:32:52,093
Speaker 7: but what we and netball coaches you can talk about them.

1801
01:32:52,093 --> 01:32:54,813
Speaker 4: But what Arthur Lyddiy did was probably.

1802
01:32:54,452 --> 01:32:57,972
Speaker 7: Second to none. Yeah, and he did it for about ten,

1803
01:32:58,372 --> 01:32:59,733
Speaker 7: ten fifteen years.

1804
01:32:59,973 --> 01:33:03,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely leading gold medals. Now you know you said

1805
01:33:03,893 --> 01:33:06,053
Speaker 2: that some people probably don't even heard about him. I

1806
01:33:06,213 --> 01:33:10,333
Speaker 2: have because guess what, Malcolm, Yes, what the last name

1807
01:33:10,692 --> 01:33:14,612
Speaker 2: of my partner is Lydia really and is she.

1808
01:33:14,772 --> 01:33:15,492
Speaker 18: Related to him?

1809
01:33:15,572 --> 01:33:20,013
Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely awesome the Lydia family and close to the

1810
01:33:20,053 --> 01:33:24,333
Speaker 2: Lydiad shoes company as well. Wow, yeah isn no, but

1811
01:33:24,412 --> 01:33:26,492
Speaker 2: we are going down to the Pola to Poe in

1812
01:33:26,612 --> 01:33:32,012
Speaker 2: Topol tomorrow to run this kind of six hour relay situation.

1813
01:33:32,612 --> 01:33:36,932
Speaker 2: But it's awesome. But being a Lydia, she's always asked

1814
01:33:36,933 --> 01:33:39,772
Speaker 2: if she's a runner, and I think she's just decided

1815
01:33:39,772 --> 01:33:41,572
Speaker 2: to not be a runner just to sort of prove

1816
01:33:41,572 --> 01:33:43,932
Speaker 2: people wrong. Although well, I say that she is being

1817
01:33:43,973 --> 01:33:46,492
Speaker 2: involved in the six hour relay with me, so you

1818
01:33:46,492 --> 01:33:47,932
Speaker 2: know that's that's a certain amount of running.

1819
01:33:47,973 --> 01:33:50,372
Speaker 4: But she would know how great he was.

1820
01:33:52,093 --> 01:33:57,492
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, so no, they're very proud of that. Of Arthur.

1821
01:33:58,652 --> 01:33:59,933
Speaker 7: She would totally agree with me.

1822
01:34:00,013 --> 01:34:03,253
Speaker 2: Then, yeah, she would totally agree with here. But she's

1823
01:34:03,253 --> 01:34:08,973
Speaker 2: also shockingly bys so I think, of course you're not. No,

1824
01:34:09,173 --> 01:34:11,372
Speaker 2: of course I'm not. How you thank you so much

1825
01:34:11,372 --> 01:34:12,132
Speaker 2: for your call, Malcolm.

1826
01:34:12,372 --> 01:34:14,253
Speaker 3: And there's a heck of a lot of texts coming

1827
01:34:14,293 --> 01:34:16,173
Speaker 3: through for Arthur Lydiard as well.

1828
01:34:16,492 --> 01:34:18,252
Speaker 2: I see is liliad okay?

1829
01:34:18,452 --> 01:34:18,652
Speaker 14: Right?

1830
01:34:21,213 --> 01:34:23,532
Speaker 2: So it's just not not not not just my partner? Yeah,

1831
01:34:24,293 --> 01:34:27,412
Speaker 2: alligences as well, Malcolm my partner and A.

1832
01:34:29,173 --> 01:34:30,492
Speaker 3: Carl how are.

1833
01:34:30,412 --> 01:34:32,093
Speaker 2: You hey good?

1834
01:34:34,053 --> 01:34:37,732
Speaker 21: I think someone is probably equally and he's still alive.

1835
01:34:39,173 --> 01:34:41,412
Speaker 21: I've done a bit of an AI thinger Met was

1836
01:34:41,492 --> 01:34:45,852
Speaker 21: alluding to AI. But this guy, I'll name the guy

1837
01:34:46,253 --> 01:34:52,052
Speaker 21: named the guys that he's coached. This guy's coach numerous

1838
01:34:52,053 --> 01:34:57,892
Speaker 21: Olympic middleists living the sisters right, Marke Drisdale, Nicky Cole,

1839
01:34:58,652 --> 01:35:01,412
Speaker 21: hey hey much fond and Erck Murray, and I think

1840
01:35:01,492 --> 01:35:05,612
Speaker 21: Big he's probably one of those. Yeah, he is controversial coach,

1841
01:35:06,173 --> 01:35:09,572
Speaker 21: he doesn't seem to get himself out there, but he's

1842
01:35:09,572 --> 01:35:12,933
Speaker 21: one of the helboo five times as the coach of

1843
01:35:12,933 --> 01:35:15,572
Speaker 21: the year end. I think he's probably one of those

1844
01:35:16,333 --> 01:35:20,652
Speaker 21: guys that really produces the goods. But I mean, you know,

1845
01:35:20,812 --> 01:35:26,412
Speaker 21: I remember watching Pamous, Bondon and Murray say that they

1846
01:35:26,612 --> 01:35:31,452
Speaker 21: hated training with him to get the very best, and

1847
01:35:31,492 --> 01:35:33,612
Speaker 21: I think that's what the whole aim of it. Coaches

1848
01:35:34,532 --> 01:35:40,173
Speaker 21: producer goods. So he's he's got six gold medal. I

1849
01:35:40,173 --> 01:35:42,452
Speaker 21: think he goes on it mostly because he's not always

1850
01:35:42,452 --> 01:35:45,093
Speaker 21: in the media, and he he's got this mistique about

1851
01:35:45,133 --> 01:35:47,492
Speaker 21: him and he's yeah, so I think that Tonks is

1852
01:35:47,492 --> 01:35:49,372
Speaker 21: probably up there with Martha Lydiat.

1853
01:35:49,572 --> 01:35:54,053
Speaker 2: Yeah so he he got a silver meta himself, didn't he, Yeah,

1854
01:35:55,093 --> 01:35:58,372
Speaker 2: back in the day. And yeah, so okay, like I'm

1855
01:35:58,412 --> 01:36:00,732
Speaker 2: just looking at here. He's been involved in thirteen gold medals.

1856
01:36:00,772 --> 01:36:05,772
Speaker 2: Coach for thirteen gold medals. That's pretty no, no, sorry,

1857
01:36:05,772 --> 01:36:07,852
Speaker 2: that's world championship medals. I got that wrong. Yeah, you're right,

1858
01:36:07,893 --> 01:36:10,452
Speaker 2: a total of seven Olympic medals, six of which were gold.

1859
01:36:10,692 --> 01:36:13,173
Speaker 2: That's I mean, coaching to six gold medals is quite something,

1860
01:36:13,213 --> 01:36:13,492
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1861
01:36:15,093 --> 01:36:18,173
Speaker 21: And And like because Rick Bey and that we get

1862
01:36:18,213 --> 01:36:21,412
Speaker 21: a lot of profile on the ball, but I mean

1863
01:36:21,452 --> 01:36:24,492
Speaker 21: he's one of those reluctant guys to come to the

1864
01:36:24,612 --> 01:36:27,053
Speaker 21: you know, jump in front of the camera. And I

1865
01:36:27,053 --> 01:36:30,213
Speaker 21: think he's also been named as World Ruins Coach of

1866
01:36:30,213 --> 01:36:34,852
Speaker 21: the Year three times. Yeah, so he's he's he's pretty

1867
01:36:34,893 --> 01:36:37,012
Speaker 21: up there, and I thought, you know, he's probably needs

1868
01:36:37,053 --> 01:36:40,972
Speaker 21: to Yeah, in my eyes, he's probably on the same

1869
01:36:41,053 --> 01:36:42,533
Speaker 21: part as Lydia's.

1870
01:36:42,652 --> 01:36:44,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good on you, Carl. And what a name,

1871
01:36:44,732 --> 01:36:45,372
Speaker 2: Dick Tonks.

1872
01:36:45,612 --> 01:36:47,932
Speaker 3: That's a great name. But I'm just reading up on,

1873
01:36:48,612 --> 01:36:51,092
Speaker 3: you know, and Hamish Bond and Eric Murray both talked

1874
01:36:51,133 --> 01:36:54,293
Speaker 3: about some pretty uh you know, argie bargie times with

1875
01:36:54,372 --> 01:36:56,572
Speaker 3: Dick Tonks. But I'm just reading this article here, so

1876
01:36:57,452 --> 01:37:00,212
Speaker 3: Hamish Bond said. Tonks wasn't impressed by him or teammate

1877
01:37:00,293 --> 01:37:02,732
Speaker 3: Eric murray A for asking to complete a training session

1878
01:37:02,732 --> 01:37:04,412
Speaker 3: in christ toch so he could spend time with his

1879
01:37:04,452 --> 01:37:06,852
Speaker 3: girlfriend before they went overseas. This was in twenty twenty.

1880
01:37:06,933 --> 01:37:09,213
Speaker 3: We ended up getting called back into the Eric and

1881
01:37:09,293 --> 01:37:11,732
Speaker 3: I that afternoon by the Rowing New Zealand manager and

1882
01:37:11,732 --> 01:37:14,572
Speaker 3: basically Dick stormed into the room tours strips off us.

1883
01:37:14,612 --> 01:37:17,093
Speaker 3: He caught us every word that could possibly come into

1884
01:37:17,173 --> 01:37:21,012
Speaker 3: his mind. Arrogant mother sea word, just tour into us.

1885
01:37:21,133 --> 01:37:23,812
Speaker 3: I don't know what he thought. Eric got racked up

1886
01:37:23,973 --> 01:37:26,692
Speaker 3: and got into a physical altercation. It was tough times,

1887
01:37:26,732 --> 01:37:29,293
Speaker 3: so you go, but he got results.

1888
01:37:29,253 --> 01:37:31,532
Speaker 2: Well, and he would have been about seventy at that point. Yeah,

1889
01:37:31,732 --> 01:37:33,532
Speaker 2: firing up with that kind of language and Eric's a

1890
01:37:33,532 --> 01:37:35,093
Speaker 2: big boy. Well what do you do you That's an

1891
01:37:35,093 --> 01:37:37,452
Speaker 2: interesting thing. That's it's kind of a modern discussion now

1892
01:37:37,492 --> 01:37:41,013
Speaker 2: because there's often chats about the type of coaching you do.

1893
01:37:41,133 --> 01:37:43,892
Speaker 2: Are you a coach that screams and yells at your

1894
01:37:44,772 --> 01:37:48,012
Speaker 2: you know the people you're coaching to get results, or

1895
01:37:48,133 --> 01:37:53,612
Speaker 2: do you have a more sort of inclusive discussion with them. Yeah,

1896
01:37:53,732 --> 01:37:58,412
Speaker 2: Dick Tonk sounds like he's a screamer, and you know,

1897
01:37:58,612 --> 01:38:00,812
Speaker 2: and now these days, if you're coaching and you're yelling

1898
01:38:00,853 --> 01:38:03,772
Speaker 2: at screaming, actually there's often a opportunity might be accused

1899
01:38:03,772 --> 01:38:06,293
Speaker 2: of bullying. Yeah, it is true. But we're in my

1900
01:38:06,572 --> 01:38:10,732
Speaker 2: incredibly lame sporting career. I always I was responded to

1901
01:38:10,772 --> 01:38:14,293
Speaker 2: being screened at. Yeah it works man. My coach Carl Dikell,

1902
01:38:14,492 --> 01:38:16,933
Speaker 2: my basketball coach. Boy, oh boy, would he rip me

1903
01:38:16,973 --> 01:38:17,492
Speaker 2: a new one?

1904
01:38:17,492 --> 01:38:20,053
Speaker 3: That's another great name, Carl Dickkell. Yeah, yeah, oh on

1905
01:38:20,053 --> 01:38:22,013
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

1906
01:38:22,173 --> 01:38:25,133
Speaker 3: Who is the greatest sporting coach in New Zealand? And

1907
01:38:25,173 --> 01:38:28,052
Speaker 3: your eyes love to hear from you? It is twenty nine.

1908
01:38:27,973 --> 01:38:28,412
Speaker 18: To four.

1909
01:38:30,772 --> 01:38:34,333
Speaker 13: US talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis. It's

1910
01:38:34,412 --> 01:38:37,812
Speaker 13: no trouble with a blue bubble. Tomorrow's cook Straight ferry

1911
01:38:37,853 --> 01:38:41,573
Speaker 13: services have been canceled because of high winds and expected

1912
01:38:41,652 --> 01:38:45,732
Speaker 13: six meter swells. All Into Islander and Blue Bridge Saturday

1913
01:38:45,812 --> 01:38:49,532
Speaker 13: sailings are off as well as Blue Bridge's early Sunday crossing.

1914
01:38:50,372 --> 01:38:54,133
Speaker 13: Fletcher's says it will vigorously defend against legal action from

1915
01:38:54,213 --> 01:38:57,372
Speaker 13: Sky City over the delays to the belt of Auckland's

1916
01:38:57,372 --> 01:39:03,333
Speaker 13: International Convention Center, nearly finished but seven years late. Deputy

1917
01:39:03,372 --> 01:39:06,972
Speaker 13: Prime Minister David Seymour's narrowly lost at an Oxford Union

1918
01:39:07,013 --> 01:39:10,253
Speaker 13: debate in England, opposing the moot no one can be

1919
01:39:10,333 --> 01:39:16,892
Speaker 13: illegal on stolen landspat's escalating between Donald Trump and Elon Musk,

1920
01:39:17,173 --> 01:39:20,732
Speaker 13: who's posted allegations about the US president and criticism of

1921
01:39:20,772 --> 01:39:24,532
Speaker 13: his spending bill. Mask has responded to Trump's threat to

1922
01:39:24,572 --> 01:39:28,533
Speaker 13: cut his federal contracts by saying head decommission the SpaceX

1923
01:39:28,612 --> 01:39:33,492
Speaker 13: craft used by NASA. Can we music legend Neil finn

1924
01:39:33,732 --> 01:39:36,333
Speaker 13: is putting his weight behind a bid to bring music

1925
01:39:36,333 --> 01:39:40,613
Speaker 13: to Auckland's Western Springs Stadium, the bid by CRS Records.

1926
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Speaker 13: In addiction, I can't get rid of and Rexia in

1927
01:39:44,853 --> 01:39:48,893
Speaker 13: Middle Age and beyond. See the story at Enzen Herald Premium.

1928
01:39:48,893 --> 01:39:50,692
Speaker 13: Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1929
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylan. We're talking about the greatest

1930
01:39:52,772 --> 01:39:56,093
Speaker 3: sports coaches New Zealand has had in your eyes. On

1931
01:39:56,093 --> 01:39:59,772
Speaker 3: the back of Gary Steed stepping down altogether as Black

1932
01:39:59,812 --> 01:40:03,973
Speaker 3: Caps coach? What is or who is the greatest New

1933
01:40:04,053 --> 01:40:05,093
Speaker 3: Zealand coach of all time?

1934
01:40:05,133 --> 01:40:05,333
Speaker 14: A weight?

1935
01:40:05,333 --> 01:40:08,173
Speaker 3: One hundred eighteen eighty is the number calls?

1936
01:40:08,412 --> 01:40:10,452
Speaker 2: And how are you sure?

1937
01:40:10,532 --> 01:40:14,612
Speaker 10: Very yeah, happy happy fly to you. Yeah yeah, coaches

1938
01:40:14,652 --> 01:40:16,852
Speaker 10: and all the people involved with sports and his day,

1939
01:40:16,893 --> 01:40:18,492
Speaker 10: it goes a long way.

1940
01:40:18,933 --> 01:40:22,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And who do you reckon?

1941
01:40:22,133 --> 01:40:22,972
Speaker 2: Who is it for you? Man?

1942
01:40:23,812 --> 01:40:27,333
Speaker 10: I was thinking Gordon pititions but now mate, after Olivia last,

1943
01:40:27,372 --> 01:40:28,333
Speaker 10: Olivia has got it.

1944
01:40:28,333 --> 01:40:32,892
Speaker 3: Mate, Malcolm won and obviously Matt's connection and you know

1945
01:40:32,933 --> 01:40:36,293
Speaker 3: that helps a little bit as well well.

1946
01:40:36,492 --> 01:40:38,692
Speaker 10: The seventh ornament for a long time, bro, but then

1947
01:40:38,732 --> 01:40:39,492
Speaker 10: they just lost it.

1948
01:40:39,893 --> 01:40:41,972
Speaker 3: He was another tough coach, wasn't he, Jason?

1949
01:40:41,973 --> 01:40:42,173
Speaker 6: You know?

1950
01:40:42,213 --> 01:40:44,253
Speaker 3: And I get there can be an element with a

1951
01:40:44,253 --> 01:40:47,053
Speaker 3: lot of coaching at that elite sport level, but no

1952
01:40:47,093 --> 01:40:47,732
Speaker 3: doubt about it.

1953
01:40:47,772 --> 01:40:51,093
Speaker 2: He was you know, he worked as players.

1954
01:40:50,652 --> 01:40:55,092
Speaker 10: Hard promoted, promoted the team, bro, He promoted our black

1955
01:40:55,133 --> 01:40:55,572
Speaker 10: fern bro.

1956
01:40:55,652 --> 01:40:56,132
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1957
01:40:56,333 --> 01:40:59,652
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was famous for training people so hardy. But

1958
01:41:00,013 --> 01:41:02,532
Speaker 2: you know, seven's so important fitness and so he was

1959
01:41:02,732 --> 01:41:06,613
Speaker 2: very very focused on speed bro. Yeah mate, yeah, speeding

1960
01:41:06,692 --> 01:41:09,692
Speaker 2: fitness and he would push posh people to they throw up.

1961
01:41:09,893 --> 01:41:13,173
Speaker 2: He's famous. Anyone that's been trained with him would end

1962
01:41:13,253 --> 01:41:14,013
Speaker 2: up throwing up at.

1963
01:41:13,933 --> 01:41:14,412
Speaker 9: The end of it.

1964
01:41:16,093 --> 01:41:16,372
Speaker 6: World.

1965
01:41:16,572 --> 01:41:20,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. Jason. Yep, he's got

1966
01:41:20,772 --> 01:41:23,972
Speaker 2: to be in the conversation there. Yeah, old man Titchens, yep.

1967
01:41:24,053 --> 01:41:30,212
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Now there's a few texts here for the greatest

1968
01:41:30,253 --> 01:41:32,532
Speaker 3: All Blacks coach of all time, which comes in obviously

1969
01:41:32,532 --> 01:41:35,253
Speaker 3: to the greatest sporting coach. A couple of texts for

1970
01:41:36,492 --> 01:41:40,133
Speaker 3: Sir Brian Law obviously obviously got the World Cup in

1971
01:41:40,213 --> 01:41:43,652
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven, but in terms of tess, winds not

1972
01:41:43,812 --> 01:41:46,692
Speaker 3: high when you look at the likes of Steve Hansen

1973
01:41:47,013 --> 01:41:48,772
Speaker 3: and Sir Graham Henry.

1974
01:41:49,412 --> 01:41:51,213
Speaker 2: But can you get your views O one hundred eighty

1975
01:41:51,452 --> 01:41:53,892
Speaker 2: and eighty Yeah, but I think as I was saying

1976
01:41:53,933 --> 01:41:56,372
Speaker 2: before this, and how do you quantify it? Because if

1977
01:41:56,412 --> 01:42:02,372
Speaker 2: you are transforming or team or coaching a team that

1978
01:42:02,612 --> 01:42:05,932
Speaker 2: didn't have maybe the stars that it needed, but somehow

1979
01:42:05,973 --> 01:42:08,772
Speaker 2: you brought them together to be a unit bigger than

1980
01:42:08,772 --> 01:42:10,933
Speaker 2: the sum of their parts. Yeah, then can you be

1981
01:42:10,973 --> 01:42:15,372
Speaker 2: held up against someone who inherited great players? Because you

1982
01:42:15,372 --> 01:42:19,492
Speaker 2: could argue that anyone could have coached the Richie McCaw,

1983
01:42:20,053 --> 01:42:25,772
Speaker 2: Karen Reid, Jern Kano, Ben Smith, Dan Carter Era Rugby.

1984
01:42:25,933 --> 01:42:28,932
Speaker 2: Yeah and done very very well. Yeah. So then yeah,

1985
01:42:28,973 --> 01:42:30,852
Speaker 2: I mean that is look at that. Look at the

1986
01:42:30,893 --> 01:42:34,013
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen World Cup team. Yeah, I mean that is

1987
01:42:34,053 --> 01:42:36,333
Speaker 2: a crazy team. Absolutely.

1988
01:42:36,732 --> 01:42:36,852
Speaker 6: Oh.

1989
01:42:36,893 --> 01:42:38,732
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1990
01:42:38,812 --> 01:42:42,012
Speaker 3: Love your thoughts on the greatest sporting coach in New Zealand?

1991
01:42:42,013 --> 01:42:43,173
Speaker 3: It is twenty two to four.

1992
01:42:43,173 --> 01:42:45,173
Speaker 2: Where are the grizz right Wiley fans out there? Where

1993
01:42:45,173 --> 01:42:46,173
Speaker 2: are the grizz Wiley fans?

1994
01:42:47,452 --> 01:42:51,012
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

1995
01:42:51,013 --> 01:42:55,132
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons.

1996
01:42:54,532 --> 01:42:57,293
Speaker 3: News Talks'd be good afternoon, and we're talking about the

1997
01:42:57,372 --> 01:43:00,213
Speaker 3: greatest sporting coach New Zealand has ever seen. In your view,

1998
01:43:00,772 --> 01:43:04,173
Speaker 3: obviously it is objective for getting some great texts coming through.

1999
01:43:04,333 --> 01:43:06,533
Speaker 2: Do we consider coaches who have had to go overseas

2000
01:43:06,652 --> 01:43:08,692
Speaker 2: to coach in their sport because it's barely rerecks in

2001
01:43:08,692 --> 01:43:13,333
Speaker 2: New Zealand like Jason locked and Beach volleyball coach teams

2002
01:43:13,333 --> 01:43:15,452
Speaker 2: to Olympic gold medals, but not in New Zealand. We

2003
01:43:15,572 --> 01:43:18,053
Speaker 2: just don't fund or develop the sport here. I'm sure

2004
01:43:18,053 --> 01:43:20,492
Speaker 2: there are others. Yeah, we allow them, any of them.

2005
01:43:20,492 --> 01:43:23,852
Speaker 2: It's your criteria to be argued. Yep. You know you

2006
01:43:23,893 --> 01:43:25,532
Speaker 2: could be as I said before, you can be really

2007
01:43:25,532 --> 01:43:27,933
Speaker 2: successful with a great team, or you can turn an

2008
01:43:27,973 --> 01:43:30,173
Speaker 2: average team to become a very successful team, or an

2009
01:43:30,173 --> 01:43:32,612
Speaker 2: obscure sport into a success. All these kind of things.

2010
01:43:32,612 --> 01:43:34,612
Speaker 2: People might think McCullum as well in the cricketing realm.

2011
01:43:34,652 --> 01:43:37,372
Speaker 2: He's never coached in New Zealand, but certainly coaches overseas.

2012
01:43:37,412 --> 01:43:40,173
Speaker 2: Is Gey week bas Ball. That's a good point. Yeah,

2013
01:43:40,293 --> 01:43:41,812
Speaker 2: I mean you've got to say he'd be one of

2014
01:43:41,853 --> 01:43:45,652
Speaker 2: the most successful New Zealand culture coaches in terms of

2015
01:43:45,652 --> 01:43:52,013
Speaker 2: how much money is Yeah, exactly, Brady, very well here

2016
01:43:52,013 --> 01:43:52,532
Speaker 2: do you reckon?

2017
01:43:52,853 --> 01:43:56,133
Speaker 23: Yeah, I agree with the earlier ones in terms of

2018
01:43:56,253 --> 01:44:00,732
Speaker 23: after Lydiard, Like I think, yeah, pretty much can't go

2019
01:44:00,853 --> 01:44:04,213
Speaker 23: past after Lydiard. We've got with your deck Tonks and

2020
01:44:04,412 --> 01:44:08,333
Speaker 23: now I guess gorda Walker with the kayaking Maker, Yeah,

2021
01:44:08,372 --> 01:44:12,412
Speaker 23: had run for some level and I think it's not Yeah,

2022
01:44:12,412 --> 01:44:15,253
Speaker 23: well it's not just Lisa though, right, Like he's you know,

2023
01:44:15,372 --> 01:44:18,532
Speaker 23: you think Lydiad had snow, but then it created a

2024
01:44:18,612 --> 01:44:21,972
Speaker 23: group and Gordy's done that, Dick Tonks has done that.

2025
01:44:22,933 --> 01:44:25,973
Speaker 23: But I think the reason why Arthur pips them is

2026
01:44:27,532 --> 01:44:33,293
Speaker 23: Arthur pretty much invented fitness, like like he invented every

2027
01:44:33,333 --> 01:44:38,732
Speaker 23: sport and that needs endurance uses his principles, and that

2028
01:44:38,893 --> 01:44:42,452
Speaker 23: is Dick Tonks, that is Gordy Walker, it's horse racing.

2029
01:44:42,492 --> 01:44:47,093
Speaker 23: They trained horses after Lydiard's way like it, which is

2030
01:44:47,133 --> 01:44:51,572
Speaker 23: a long run, two hard sessions, you know, like the periodization.

2031
01:44:52,412 --> 01:44:56,892
Speaker 23: So he kind of invented, like you're just fitness in general.

2032
01:44:58,333 --> 01:45:00,492
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I love I love with the Lydiad

2033
01:45:00,492 --> 01:45:02,253
Speaker 2: and she is always hastening to me to go to

2034
01:45:02,253 --> 01:45:05,372
Speaker 2: the gym or go for a run. So runs in

2035
01:45:05,412 --> 01:45:07,732
Speaker 2: the family. She's in the blood. I hadn't never thought

2036
01:45:07,732 --> 01:45:10,932
Speaker 2: about that. Why she's constantly hassling me over fitness. It's

2037
01:45:10,973 --> 01:45:12,772
Speaker 2: in the blood for the family genetics. But you one

2038
01:45:12,812 --> 01:45:15,333
Speaker 2: hundred percent. Right back back in the day, people didn't

2039
01:45:15,372 --> 01:45:17,013
Speaker 2: really think it was a good idea to train a

2040
01:45:17,053 --> 01:45:19,652
Speaker 2: lot for fitness. They thought that there was this belief

2041
01:45:19,692 --> 01:45:21,253
Speaker 2: that you only had so many heart beats in your

2042
01:45:21,253 --> 01:45:23,892
Speaker 2: life and if you're wasting too many of them getting

2043
01:45:24,133 --> 01:45:27,053
Speaker 2: getting to exerting yourself too much, you might run out

2044
01:45:27,053 --> 01:45:29,652
Speaker 2: of them. They didn't realize that your heartbeats slowed down

2045
01:45:29,812 --> 01:45:31,932
Speaker 2: once you were fit, so it was better to do

2046
01:45:31,973 --> 01:45:34,532
Speaker 2: this stuff. But people weren't pushing themselves to the limits

2047
01:45:34,532 --> 01:45:37,853
Speaker 2: that Lydia had pushed people to until.

2048
01:45:38,213 --> 01:45:43,093
Speaker 23: Even even boxing. Like I listened to a podcast with

2049
01:45:43,333 --> 01:45:46,452
Speaker 23: Mike Tyson and he spoke about that on a Sunday

2050
01:45:46,492 --> 01:45:49,213
Speaker 23: here to hit the heavy bag for two hours without stopping,

2051
01:45:49,253 --> 01:45:51,893
Speaker 23: which is your Sunday long run, you know, like it.

2052
01:45:52,612 --> 01:45:55,452
Speaker 23: So yeah, like every single sport that needs any endurance

2053
01:45:55,772 --> 01:45:59,372
Speaker 23: as his aeries. And but then and then you think

2054
01:45:59,412 --> 01:46:01,692
Speaker 23: of new coaches in New Zealand and you've got you know,

2055
01:46:01,772 --> 01:46:06,852
Speaker 23: Eugene Berriman City kickboxing pretty yeah, very.

2056
01:46:06,692 --> 01:46:11,372
Speaker 2: Successful, I mean into in terms of high profile, I mean.

2057
01:46:11,412 --> 01:46:14,013
Speaker 23: And getting like lydiad was really a cheap code, like

2058
01:46:14,093 --> 01:46:18,732
Speaker 23: he invented something no one new, so his athletes were

2059
01:46:18,772 --> 01:46:22,053
Speaker 23: just phenomenal at the time, where Eugene Berryman might be

2060
01:46:22,133 --> 01:46:23,492
Speaker 23: more of a guy who can get.

2061
01:46:23,333 --> 01:46:23,852
Speaker 22: In your head.

2062
01:46:24,013 --> 01:46:27,812
Speaker 2: I often think often thinking about the Fosbury Fosbury flop

2063
01:46:28,532 --> 01:46:31,652
Speaker 2: in that regard, and you come up with a new

2064
01:46:31,692 --> 01:46:34,173
Speaker 2: thing and then you have an advantage for a while. Yeah,

2065
01:46:34,213 --> 01:46:36,692
Speaker 2: but you know those techniques of Lydia, they went on

2066
01:46:36,772 --> 01:46:39,013
Speaker 2: to be used, you know, not directly by him, but

2067
01:46:39,213 --> 01:46:42,372
Speaker 2: you know John Walkers.

2068
01:46:41,973 --> 01:46:46,612
Speaker 23: Now there's yeah, et Lorraine Moller, you know, all of

2069
01:46:46,692 --> 01:46:50,253
Speaker 23: them came throughout his principles. And it's only now the

2070
01:46:50,412 --> 01:46:53,812
Speaker 23: earlier callers in Norway it was actually Finland and unless

2071
01:46:53,853 --> 01:46:58,492
Speaker 23: a varn who he was meaning, But yeah, there's it's

2072
01:46:58,572 --> 01:47:01,772
Speaker 23: only now the Norwegian runners is a new the Norwegian way,

2073
01:47:01,853 --> 01:47:05,492
Speaker 23: which looks like the first time since the sixties that

2074
01:47:05,692 --> 01:47:07,093
Speaker 23: something might change.

2075
01:47:06,933 --> 01:47:11,772
Speaker 2: The Yeah, all right, and what is that exactly?

2076
01:47:11,853 --> 01:47:12,133
Speaker 13: What is that?

2077
01:47:12,213 --> 01:47:12,612
Speaker 2: Precisely?

2078
01:47:12,692 --> 01:47:14,612
Speaker 12: Sorry, it's.

2079
01:47:16,133 --> 01:47:19,213
Speaker 23: Double like never putting yourself right in to say six

2080
01:47:19,333 --> 01:47:22,452
Speaker 23: gear always been one gear back, but training twice a day,

2081
01:47:23,093 --> 01:47:28,293
Speaker 23: hard and really slow like these the guy Ainger bretton

2082
01:47:29,372 --> 01:47:33,213
Speaker 23: the fifteen hundred meter runner it's and then the Norwegian

2083
01:47:34,572 --> 01:47:37,252
Speaker 23: triathlete they use it, the guy that won the Olympics

2084
01:47:37,253 --> 01:47:38,333
Speaker 23: and behaved one tom.

2085
01:47:38,492 --> 01:47:38,772
Speaker 1: Is that like?

2086
01:47:39,053 --> 01:47:40,973
Speaker 3: Is that like zones bread that they talk about now

2087
01:47:41,053 --> 01:47:42,173
Speaker 3: you get into the different zones.

2088
01:47:42,253 --> 01:47:46,892
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's some lapt they test. Yeah, they tested blood

2089
01:47:46,933 --> 01:47:51,692
Speaker 23: and stuff to know when to train next and yeah, noise.

2090
01:47:51,492 --> 01:47:53,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally wasn't testing anyone's blood. Yeah, I was talking

2091
01:47:53,853 --> 01:47:56,333
Speaker 2: about Dick Fosbury. You know, the Fostbury flot in the

2092
01:47:56,412 --> 01:48:00,253
Speaker 2: ninety sixty eight Summer Olympics in Mexico. So Dick just

2093
01:48:00,293 --> 01:48:02,093
Speaker 2: comes up with this idea of going backwards over the

2094
01:48:02,173 --> 01:48:03,892
Speaker 2: high jump and no one has been doing that. Yeah,

2095
01:48:04,133 --> 01:48:06,612
Speaker 2: and so for one year he's the greatest, wins the

2096
01:48:06,652 --> 01:48:08,532
Speaker 2: gold medal. But he's not the best at it. He's

2097
01:48:08,572 --> 01:48:10,772
Speaker 2: just the first that came up for it, and I

2098
01:48:10,893 --> 01:48:13,012
Speaker 2: came up with it. Everyone was still using the old scissor,

2099
01:48:13,053 --> 01:48:14,572
Speaker 2: and then everyone else and then yeah, next thing you know,

2100
01:48:14,572 --> 01:48:17,652
Speaker 2: everyone's doing the Fosbury Fop and Dick Fosbury is not

2101
01:48:17,973 --> 01:48:20,093
Speaker 2: not the best person at the Fosbury Fop anymore, but

2102
01:48:20,173 --> 01:48:22,093
Speaker 2: he was the first on it. Great legal he won

2103
01:48:22,173 --> 01:48:24,333
Speaker 2: that goal. Yes, he's still got the name on it.

2104
01:48:24,412 --> 01:48:26,652
Speaker 2: I love that there's a few teas coming through for

2105
01:48:26,973 --> 01:48:28,852
Speaker 2: this crazy idea that to just go I'm going to

2106
01:48:28,893 --> 01:48:32,692
Speaker 2: go backwards over it work from though, I mean, he's

2107
01:48:33,133 --> 01:48:36,053
Speaker 2: absolutely but it's almost like a crazy professor as well

2108
01:48:36,093 --> 01:48:37,812
Speaker 2: as well. But you can see what it took. Nineteen

2109
01:48:38,173 --> 01:48:39,812
Speaker 2: mid nineteen sixties for anyone to think of it.

2110
01:48:40,013 --> 01:48:42,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a few teas coming through for Arch Jelly,

2111
01:48:44,013 --> 01:48:47,972
Speaker 3: Arch Jelly, fantastic coach, one of our greatest athletics coach,

2112
01:48:48,013 --> 01:48:51,173
Speaker 3: the likes of John Walker and Hamish Carson. Yet certainly

2113
01:48:51,253 --> 01:48:57,692
Speaker 3: be up there, Tony, Hello, mates, mates.

2114
01:48:57,812 --> 01:48:58,412
Speaker 2: Who do you reckon?

2115
01:48:59,372 --> 01:49:01,132
Speaker 6: I reckon Gordon Walker.

2116
01:49:03,692 --> 01:49:04,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

2117
01:49:04,452 --> 01:49:08,012
Speaker 6: So I mean just one during each time at the moment.

2118
01:49:08,333 --> 01:49:11,012
Speaker 6: Six Olympic gold medals and ten world titles.

2119
01:49:11,492 --> 01:49:12,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty good, isn't it.

2120
01:49:13,093 --> 01:49:15,133
Speaker 6: I mean, and they were recognized this year to help

2121
01:49:15,173 --> 01:49:20,372
Speaker 6: with awards the Coach and Athletes of the decade. And

2122
01:49:20,492 --> 01:49:25,812
Speaker 6: notwithstanding the likes of Steve Hanson, Dan.

2123
01:49:25,772 --> 01:49:28,293
Speaker 2: Nolan, yeah, Tom yep.

2124
01:49:28,452 --> 01:49:34,052
Speaker 6: And also you know the partnership with with Lisa Carrington,

2125
01:49:34,093 --> 01:49:37,932
Speaker 6: and also Arthur Olidiad and Peter Snow, Jimmy and John

2126
01:49:38,013 --> 01:49:42,532
Speaker 6: Walker and Thoms and he's various rowers. So that's my

2127
01:49:43,572 --> 01:49:46,852
Speaker 6: my vote Gordon Walker. Result.

2128
01:49:47,093 --> 01:49:48,732
Speaker 2: Thank you so much Tony for that. Yet there's a

2129
01:49:48,732 --> 01:49:50,412
Speaker 2: few coming through for Gordon Water. I mean, just the

2130
01:49:50,452 --> 01:49:52,812
Speaker 2: sheer success and it's not just Lisa Carrington that he coaches,

2131
01:49:52,853 --> 01:49:54,972
Speaker 2: but the sheer success he said with Lisa Carrington's enough

2132
01:49:55,093 --> 01:49:57,572
Speaker 2: to to definitely get you in the conversation.

2133
01:49:57,732 --> 01:50:03,253
Speaker 3: Ye go in the boat, Uh, Simon, what's your thoughts?

2134
01:50:04,333 --> 01:50:04,492
Speaker 21: Well?

2135
01:50:05,053 --> 01:50:08,893
Speaker 22: I met Arthur Lydiad. He was the full pack, you know,

2136
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Speaker 22: he had aura and charisma, drive And one thing that

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Speaker 22: Favir listeners haven't mentioned was he was the I think

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Speaker 22: the first sports nutritionist as well. You know, like he

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Speaker 22: could just you know, it didn't matter if you were

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Speaker 22: a Peter Snoll or a Halberg, if you were the

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Speaker 22: average person in the street, he could give you that list.

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Speaker 22: And yeah, I just found him completely inspiring. There's another

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Speaker 22: couple as well, Marilyn Marshall. I don't know if you've

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Speaker 22: ever heard of her. He's a double international. She was

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Speaker 22: a pioneer of women's football. She coached women's football and softball.

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Speaker 22: She captain New Zealand and both those sports as well

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Speaker 22: as a coach. Her players would dine a ditch for

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Speaker 22: her because she was honest, she was strategic, and she

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Speaker 22: was somebody that mentored young players through her experience. I

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Speaker 22: thought that she was outstanding. And another one that comes

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Speaker 22: to mind immediately, I've had a career around sport with

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Speaker 22: my photography. Louri Mains many. Yeah, Lurie Mains was a

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Speaker 22: seriously good coach, underrated, but I think that you watch

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Speaker 22: what he achieved with the nineteen ninety five team that

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Speaker 22: went on under John Hart to beat the South Africans,

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Speaker 22: you know, I think that you know, he deserves some

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Speaker 22: recognition as well.

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Speaker 2: And the other one and a good Dunedin Land as well,

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Speaker 2: so that counts.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: And the other one is Sir Brian Lahore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a few teas. It was really really interesting

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Speaker 2: I concept that Sir Brian Lahore because the difference between

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Speaker 2: professional and amateur rugby in New Zealand and that transition

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Speaker 2: between those two stages is quite quite something. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to get a head around the idea of someone working

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Speaker 2: on a farm one day and then being called up

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Speaker 2: to the All Blacks the next as opposed to you know,

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Speaker 2: the current situation where you're a professional and you train

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Speaker 2: all you know all week for the game. And so

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Speaker 2: Brian Hall sort of transitioned that era, didn't he he did?

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Speaker 22: He was he was the pioneer because I believe that

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Speaker 22: he was. He was very professional. Had the had the

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Speaker 22: era come earlier, he still would have been very relevant

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Speaker 22: and would have been that that again, you know, strategic, motivating,

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Speaker 22: fair and reasonable and and and his his players would

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Speaker 22: would go into bat for him, and that they did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a huge part of it as well,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. You know your processes. But also if people

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Speaker 2: are willing to listen to you and follow you and

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Speaker 2: you can motivate them, that's a huge part of being

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Speaker 2: a great coach.

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Speaker 22: Well, that's why Lydiad was the best I think. I

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Speaker 22: think it was just an absolute full package. And so

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Speaker 22: many other sports learned from internationally, not just in New Zealand,

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Speaker 22: learned from from what he applied and and you know

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Speaker 22: the fact that you know, he was just such a pioneer.

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Speaker 2: But so Simon, you sound like you signed quite knowledgeable

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Speaker 2: on Lydiad.

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Speaker 8: Have you?

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Speaker 2: Is there a particular book you've read on Lydia? Is

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Speaker 2: there like the ultimate Arthur Lydiad Book.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 22: I just spent time with him, right and as a photographer,

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Speaker 22: I had him in a chair for an hour and

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Speaker 22: I felt like he picently uplifted my photography as well.

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Speaker 22: He challenged you. But he was at that stage, he

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Speaker 22: was in his eighties and he was a he was

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Speaker 22: an ambassador for the for arthritis New Zealand And and

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Speaker 22: he was. He was just magnificent at getting people to

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Speaker 22: to do the right things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call. Simon. There

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Speaker 2: you go. Tell you Arthur Lydiad is the guy the

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Speaker 2: majority of the votes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, so that was pretty clear cut. What a

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Speaker 3: great discussion. Just a couple of tecks to wrap this

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Speaker 3: one up. Steve Williams and Duncan Lang, Daniel Loader trained,

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Speaker 3: Daniel Loader and Steve Williams. Of course, Kady Kendy for

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Speaker 3: Tiger Woods here. I mean we have look, we punch

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Speaker 3: above our weight, don't we when it comes to our

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Speaker 3: um coaches in New Zealand's Thank you very much. We've

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