1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: So the European Union has been holding an emergency security 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: summit with European leaders in Paris. The meeting was called 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: to discuss concerns around Huish officials meeting with Russia to 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: end the war in Ukraine, and that's happening in Saudi. 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: Andrew Ritman is the EU Observer Foreign editor, and he 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: joins me. Now, Hello, Andrew, Hi, nice to meet you. 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for inviting me on. 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: It's a place, a remarkable meeting, A bit of a 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: last minute scramble. 10 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah. I think Europe has been taken by surprise 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: at the speed with which the Trump administration has moved 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: with its Russia plans and as well by some of 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: its intervention to the Munich Security conference over the weekend. 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: So what are they hoping to get out of this? 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: And by the way, can I just say Donald Trump 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: has had telegraph what he was going to do for 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: a very long time. I'm surprised. People were surprised by it. 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: But now they are meeting, and now they're talking. What 19 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: do you think they are hoping to get out of it? 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, to come back to your telegraph, I think you know, 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: Trump says so much and in the end does something 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: completely different that the fact that he's actually taken action 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: on this with the meeting in Dubai tomorrow is quite surprising. 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: But moreover, it's what has been said around it. When 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: his Defense secretary Pete Hexath came to Brussels last week, 26 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: he basically gave away the crown jewels. He said Ukraine 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: would have to make all the concessions if it wanted 28 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: peace with Russia and that Europe wasn't even invited to 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: the table. So with your question, what are they trying 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: to achieve the day in Paris, I think they're trying 31 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: to show that the United that they're relevant, that the 32 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: stakeholders in this, and that they have some answers to 33 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: what's coming next. 34 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: Something that happened that has not happened for a very 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: long time in my lifetime is that Sakia Stamer came 36 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: out and said he is ready and willing to put 37 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: UK troops on the ground in the Ukraine. This is 38 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: a very strong stance other leaders prepared to follow. 39 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: It's a bold move. Yeah, and I think we've heard 40 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: similar comments today from the Spanish Primate. The Dutch didn't 41 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: rule it out. I think even German chance that Olive 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: Schultz said he might go for it, which is quite 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: a big deal given the German Russian history around World 44 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: War Two and all the messaging there. Of course, fans 45 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: had already floated that bubble a long time ago. But 46 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: I think that this is the thing that's going to 47 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: come out of the summit today, a pledged by European countries, 48 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: including mister Starmer, to put together a peacekeeping contingent in Ukraine. Now, 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: whether we'll actually go forward with that is another matter, 50 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: because a European peacekeeping contingent without a US security guarantee. 51 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: Experts don't think that's going to scare put in the way. 52 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 2: And Pete, he said, had also spelled out in excruciating 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: detail that any peacekeeping force made up of NATO allies 54 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: on Ukrainian soil won't be covered by Article five. That 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: means that if Russia attacks them next spring the spring after, 56 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: the Americans won't come and bail out the Europeans like 57 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: they have done since World War Two. 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I understand the meeting just wrapped up, so 59 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: we'll wait to see what releases come out of it. 60 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: And Andrew Reritman, I thank you so much for giving 61 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: us an insight into what is quite a remarkable day 62 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: in history. 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