1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:21,133 Speaker 1: from News Talk sedbtitute. 3 00:00:38,613 --> 00:00:41,253 Speaker 2: Kyoda, you're a jactaime on News Talks EDB. That is, 4 00:00:41,293 --> 00:00:44,653 Speaker 2: of course you may zoomer the gold standard for ethereal 5 00:00:45,053 --> 00:00:48,813 Speaker 2: dream pop. After a decade together, the Kiwi quartet has 6 00:00:48,853 --> 00:00:52,973 Speaker 2: really honed their shimmering eerie sound. But with the release 7 00:00:52,973 --> 00:00:55,413 Speaker 2: of their fifth album, No Love Lost to Kindness, the 8 00:00:55,453 --> 00:00:58,573 Speaker 2: band wanted to push the envelope just a bit and 9 00:00:58,653 --> 00:01:02,293 Speaker 2: New Zeoma guitarists Charlie and Josh join me in studio 10 00:01:02,413 --> 00:01:02,893 Speaker 2: this morning. 11 00:01:02,973 --> 00:01:04,933 Speaker 3: Kyoda, Welcome home, Surra. 12 00:01:05,173 --> 00:01:08,293 Speaker 4: Great to be back in in New Zealand, especially in 13 00:01:08,373 --> 00:01:13,093 Speaker 4: the Southern Hemisphere versus our Northern Hemisphere winter times. It's 14 00:01:13,133 --> 00:01:13,693 Speaker 4: been lovely. 15 00:01:13,813 --> 00:01:16,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been pretty pritty because you guys aren't here 16 00:01:16,453 --> 00:01:17,853 Speaker 3: altogether often, right. 17 00:01:18,493 --> 00:01:21,173 Speaker 5: Very rarely, only when we're touring. And it's been a 18 00:01:21,173 --> 00:01:24,493 Speaker 5: few years since we release an album, right, So yeah. 19 00:01:24,053 --> 00:01:25,493 Speaker 3: How about how often are you together? 20 00:01:26,253 --> 00:01:26,413 Speaker 2: Is it? 21 00:01:27,133 --> 00:01:27,333 Speaker 4: You know? 22 00:01:27,453 --> 00:01:27,573 Speaker 2: More? 23 00:01:28,013 --> 00:01:29,813 Speaker 4: More and more has the project's gone on? Like the 24 00:01:29,853 --> 00:01:33,493 Speaker 4: project started as a full remote project back in twenty thirteen, 25 00:01:34,253 --> 00:01:35,813 Speaker 4: and since that time. 26 00:01:35,813 --> 00:01:36,893 Speaker 3: The project isn't the band. 27 00:01:37,013 --> 00:01:40,093 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the band is Yumi Zooma. Yeah, and you know, 28 00:01:40,133 --> 00:01:43,293 Speaker 4: since that time, we've been lucky that each record we do, 29 00:01:43,373 --> 00:01:45,373 Speaker 4: we managed to get together in a studio sort of 30 00:01:45,573 --> 00:01:50,853 Speaker 4: three or four times for intensive working, and so yeah, 31 00:01:51,093 --> 00:01:53,253 Speaker 4: definitely more and more of the year. So maybe by 32 00:01:53,293 --> 00:01:55,893 Speaker 4: the time we retire, we'll be looking at sort of 33 00:01:56,053 --> 00:01:58,573 Speaker 4: six to eight months together if we can stomach that. 34 00:01:59,213 --> 00:02:02,853 Speaker 3: How uncommon is that to be doing things remote to 35 00:02:02,893 --> 00:02:06,293 Speaker 3: be creating remotely from one another as. 36 00:02:06,173 --> 00:02:06,893 Speaker 4: You have been. 37 00:02:07,413 --> 00:02:10,533 Speaker 5: I think it was probably more uncommon before the pandemic, 38 00:02:10,893 --> 00:02:13,373 Speaker 5: and then when COVID came around our label, it was like, oh, okay, 39 00:02:13,453 --> 00:02:15,413 Speaker 5: will be completely used to this, right, you've been doing 40 00:02:15,413 --> 00:02:18,893 Speaker 5: this for years. But even then, it's not the most 41 00:02:18,933 --> 00:02:21,933 Speaker 5: comfortable experience because you don't get the benefit of bouncing 42 00:02:22,013 --> 00:02:24,693 Speaker 5: ideas off each other in the studio. The one pro 43 00:02:25,013 --> 00:02:27,413 Speaker 5: is someone gets to work during the night when everyone 44 00:02:27,413 --> 00:02:29,413 Speaker 5: else is asleep, and they have time to experiment on 45 00:02:29,533 --> 00:02:31,933 Speaker 5: ideas that you wouldn't get when you're all in the 46 00:02:32,013 --> 00:02:34,773 Speaker 5: room together. But it's nice to be together, and we're 47 00:02:34,773 --> 00:02:37,133 Speaker 5: all best friends, so we love hanging out as much 48 00:02:37,133 --> 00:02:37,653 Speaker 5: as possible. 49 00:02:37,773 --> 00:02:41,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean it's very much like you seend 50 00:02:41,213 --> 00:02:44,893 Speaker 3: each other what you've recorded or what you've done as 51 00:02:44,933 --> 00:02:48,213 Speaker 3: opposed to getting on like a zoom call together. Yeah, 52 00:02:48,253 --> 00:02:50,053 Speaker 3: and all being like, oh, what do you think because 53 00:02:50,053 --> 00:02:52,453 Speaker 3: the times and stuff are complicated. 54 00:02:52,133 --> 00:02:54,853 Speaker 4: Certain parts of the process. Yeah, have like and as 55 00:02:54,893 --> 00:02:57,653 Speaker 4: technology is progress, like, for instance, our drummer is in 56 00:02:57,733 --> 00:03:00,613 Speaker 4: Wellington and we can zoom into that now and we 57 00:03:00,653 --> 00:03:03,453 Speaker 4: can watch a live feed and we can give notes 58 00:03:03,493 --> 00:03:06,733 Speaker 4: and feedback and stuff like that. But definitely even in 59 00:03:06,773 --> 00:03:09,493 Speaker 4: the last five years that we've just been impossible to do. 60 00:03:09,653 --> 00:03:13,973 Speaker 4: So it's slowly getting more and more dystopian that you 61 00:03:14,053 --> 00:03:18,693 Speaker 4: can be really remote end in real time. But yeah, 62 00:03:18,933 --> 00:03:21,933 Speaker 4: it's less of sort of like band practice with headphones 63 00:03:21,973 --> 00:03:24,133 Speaker 4: and different parts of the world and someone tapping in. 64 00:03:24,293 --> 00:03:27,693 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm gonna ask about Mexico City in a 65 00:03:27,733 --> 00:03:32,293 Speaker 3: minute because I love that as a is it creatively 66 00:03:32,373 --> 00:03:36,253 Speaker 3: stimulatory place? But tell me about the shift, because I 67 00:03:36,253 --> 00:03:40,133 Speaker 3: think it's fair to say, without wanting to pinhole or 68 00:03:40,173 --> 00:03:43,453 Speaker 3: peakop people to genres too much, this no love lost 69 00:03:43,453 --> 00:03:45,133 Speaker 3: to kindness definitely marks a bit of a bit of 70 00:03:45,133 --> 00:03:48,173 Speaker 3: a shift day crunchyer kind of guitar licks, and clearly 71 00:03:48,213 --> 00:03:51,333 Speaker 3: you guys have quite consciously made a bit of a move, 72 00:03:51,413 --> 00:03:52,253 Speaker 3: So tell me about. 73 00:03:52,893 --> 00:03:55,813 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's when you listen to just albums. 74 00:03:55,853 --> 00:03:58,893 Speaker 5: Maybe it's like a seismic shift. But previously, on our 75 00:03:58,933 --> 00:04:01,733 Speaker 5: last record, we did something called EP four where we 76 00:04:01,773 --> 00:04:04,293 Speaker 5: started putting distortion on our guitars for the first time. 77 00:04:04,693 --> 00:04:06,893 Speaker 5: We were listening to like a lot of nineties alternative 78 00:04:06,973 --> 00:04:10,013 Speaker 5: rock and so slightly moving away from a dream pop space, 79 00:04:10,053 --> 00:04:13,013 Speaker 5: but not totally. And then yeah, on this album, leaning 80 00:04:13,053 --> 00:04:16,933 Speaker 5: that and leaning into that direction even more. When you 81 00:04:16,973 --> 00:04:19,133 Speaker 5: compare it to like our first records back in two 82 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:22,253 Speaker 5: thousand and fourteen fifteen sixteen, where we were very much 83 00:04:22,293 --> 00:04:26,693 Speaker 5: a bedroom pop kind of synthpop band, it definitely has 84 00:04:27,053 --> 00:04:29,213 Speaker 5: you know, there's a big juxtaposition. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But 85 00:04:29,533 --> 00:04:31,973 Speaker 5: for us, it's just been a natural progression. I think 86 00:04:32,053 --> 00:04:35,053 Speaker 5: we listened to a lot of music of different genres 87 00:04:35,133 --> 00:04:38,653 Speaker 5: that includes like rock music, heavy stuff, and at the time, 88 00:04:39,213 --> 00:04:41,613 Speaker 5: I think, yeah, we it made sense to us to 89 00:04:41,653 --> 00:04:45,053 Speaker 5: go in more of a grungier, harder direction because after 90 00:04:45,133 --> 00:04:48,213 Speaker 5: releasing five albums and I guess like a hundred songs, 91 00:04:48,253 --> 00:04:50,933 Speaker 5: you know, you can't just keep doing the same thing 92 00:04:50,933 --> 00:04:51,613 Speaker 5: over and over again. 93 00:04:51,773 --> 00:04:55,373 Speaker 3: No, And it's I mean, yeah, it must be exciting 94 00:04:55,413 --> 00:04:58,213 Speaker 3: to kind of hid in a new direction. But I suppose, 95 00:05:00,413 --> 00:05:02,773 Speaker 3: you know, not least because you're in different parts of 96 00:05:02,773 --> 00:05:05,613 Speaker 3: the world. You've got to make sure that you're all 97 00:05:05,613 --> 00:05:07,413 Speaker 3: pulling in the same direc if you you know, if 98 00:05:07,413 --> 00:05:09,573 Speaker 3: you're going, if you're going to go, say we pursue 99 00:05:09,573 --> 00:05:11,693 Speaker 3: a different sound, and I can imagine that there's some 100 00:05:11,733 --> 00:05:12,653 Speaker 3: creative tension there. 101 00:05:13,173 --> 00:05:16,093 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that like intentionality can be like 102 00:05:16,133 --> 00:05:18,053 Speaker 4: a real double ed sword that like if you get 103 00:05:18,053 --> 00:05:20,613 Speaker 4: everyone in a room and say, hey, everyone, we are 104 00:05:21,333 --> 00:05:24,453 Speaker 4: you know, we are going this direction, it can be 105 00:05:24,613 --> 00:05:26,653 Speaker 4: kind of jarring. So you kind of just need to 106 00:05:26,813 --> 00:05:30,093 Speaker 4: have everyone in for the ride, for the process of 107 00:05:30,133 --> 00:05:31,773 Speaker 4: the ride, And I think that's where you start to 108 00:05:31,853 --> 00:05:35,893 Speaker 4: find your footing with changes like this. Like I sometimes 109 00:05:35,973 --> 00:05:39,973 Speaker 4: think that artists get more credit for like big seismic 110 00:05:40,093 --> 00:05:43,773 Speaker 4: changes that they are intentional. They sort of slowly reveal themselves. 111 00:05:43,813 --> 00:05:46,213 Speaker 4: So like for us, it was something that kind of 112 00:05:46,333 --> 00:05:49,413 Speaker 4: came together over the space of you know, months and 113 00:05:49,533 --> 00:05:52,093 Speaker 4: months of working. It's not like we sort of flicked 114 00:05:52,093 --> 00:05:53,413 Speaker 4: the switch and we're. 115 00:05:53,293 --> 00:05:57,693 Speaker 3: Like Cowboy Carter, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 116 00:05:57,853 --> 00:05:59,373 Speaker 5: We never sat down and had a band meeting and 117 00:05:59,533 --> 00:06:01,373 Speaker 5: or like right right. 118 00:06:01,453 --> 00:06:04,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's kind of organic in that sense, Yeah, totally. 119 00:06:04,893 --> 00:06:07,053 Speaker 4: And you know, like the way that we started this 120 00:06:07,093 --> 00:06:09,653 Speaker 4: record was in between touring, like we had a two 121 00:06:09,693 --> 00:06:12,373 Speaker 4: three week space off touring the US, and then often 122 00:06:12,373 --> 00:06:14,693 Speaker 4: when you're playing live, you're sort of being a lot 123 00:06:14,733 --> 00:06:16,853 Speaker 4: more dynamic, and a lot of the feedback we get 124 00:06:16,893 --> 00:06:19,773 Speaker 4: from our shows is that it's a lot more rock anyway, 125 00:06:19,893 --> 00:06:23,133 Speaker 4: and I think we kind of bought that into those sessions. 126 00:06:23,173 --> 00:06:25,333 Speaker 4: You know, other records had come at the end of 127 00:06:25,853 --> 00:06:29,213 Speaker 4: a touring cycle of fifty sixty seventy shows and maybe 128 00:06:29,213 --> 00:06:32,093 Speaker 4: you're craving quieter, delicate of things. With us, we were 129 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:34,733 Speaker 4: sort of like, you know, to a fit that we 130 00:06:34,773 --> 00:06:37,813 Speaker 4: wanted to really kind of like thrash things around a 131 00:06:37,813 --> 00:06:38,773 Speaker 4: bit like we had been. 132 00:06:39,293 --> 00:06:42,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's nice. It's yeah, yeah, that's it seems 133 00:06:42,293 --> 00:06:45,213 Speaker 3: like a yeah, like I said, like a kind of 134 00:06:45,293 --> 00:06:48,013 Speaker 3: organic way to pursue things. Does it come through you 135 00:06:48,013 --> 00:06:50,213 Speaker 3: said you listened to a lot of like nineties alternative 136 00:06:50,253 --> 00:06:52,093 Speaker 3: rock and kind of grungy you stuff as well. Is 137 00:06:52,133 --> 00:06:54,893 Speaker 3: there just a you know, is it like a band 138 00:06:55,053 --> 00:06:57,413 Speaker 3: group chat on WhatsApp where you guys are sending each 139 00:06:57,453 --> 00:06:59,733 Speaker 3: other links to albums or something that you that you're 140 00:07:00,453 --> 00:07:01,133 Speaker 3: you know, listening to. 141 00:07:01,453 --> 00:07:04,373 Speaker 5: H it's an I message. Yeah, we definitely do that 142 00:07:04,453 --> 00:07:07,413 Speaker 5: a lot stuff. I think we were listening to a 143 00:07:07,453 --> 00:07:11,053 Speaker 5: lot of nineties New Zealand like alternative Rocket at the time. 144 00:07:11,173 --> 00:07:14,213 Speaker 5: Like I keep talking about the Tadpole album of Buddafinger 145 00:07:14,813 --> 00:07:18,213 Speaker 5: and mixed by Stellar. There's a big reference points for me. 146 00:07:19,533 --> 00:07:23,253 Speaker 4: Yeah. I finally watched the Shehad documentary which came out 147 00:07:23,493 --> 00:07:25,773 Speaker 4: maybe five or six years ago, and sort of fell 148 00:07:25,813 --> 00:07:28,013 Speaker 4: in love with that band again. And it's like one 149 00:07:28,013 --> 00:07:30,573 Speaker 4: of the great things of music, especially like stuff you'd 150 00:07:30,613 --> 00:07:33,053 Speaker 4: listened to earlier, you go back and listen to it 151 00:07:33,093 --> 00:07:35,933 Speaker 4: with different ears, and there was so much texture and 152 00:07:35,973 --> 00:07:40,173 Speaker 4: stuff in that music. But like, definitely the group chat 153 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:46,133 Speaker 4: was getting getting full of Placebo and Stellar and silver Chair. 154 00:07:46,533 --> 00:07:46,773 Speaker 1: Yeah. 155 00:07:47,213 --> 00:07:51,013 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Okay, so Australasian stuff. Yeah, yeah, a real 156 00:07:51,093 --> 00:07:52,413 Speaker 3: kind of antipathy and flavor. 157 00:07:52,453 --> 00:07:56,973 Speaker 5: Though we've always been very influenced by antipathy and bands especially. 158 00:07:57,053 --> 00:07:59,733 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said that a part of it came 159 00:07:59,773 --> 00:08:02,253 Speaker 3: through kind of being on the you know, when you 160 00:08:02,373 --> 00:08:05,933 Speaker 3: when your match for touring and your shows are maybe 161 00:08:05,933 --> 00:08:12,213 Speaker 3: slightly slightly grungier than that pure dream pop sound. Does 162 00:08:12,253 --> 00:08:16,493 Speaker 3: that mean that it's safer for your audience? You know 163 00:08:16,533 --> 00:08:19,333 Speaker 3: that that the shift is actually kind of more organic 164 00:08:19,373 --> 00:08:21,813 Speaker 3: for the audience as well, and that they lot lots 165 00:08:21,813 --> 00:08:24,453 Speaker 3: of your fans will have already heard a slightly heavier 166 00:08:24,533 --> 00:08:25,413 Speaker 3: sound at your shows. 167 00:08:26,133 --> 00:08:28,613 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would like to think so, because you know, 168 00:08:28,653 --> 00:08:30,773 Speaker 4: when you come to see us live, we you know, 169 00:08:30,893 --> 00:08:33,853 Speaker 4: it's a lot of live drums and sort of like 170 00:08:34,013 --> 00:08:38,253 Speaker 4: almost like a classic like rock formation of guitar, bass 171 00:08:38,293 --> 00:08:41,613 Speaker 4: and drums. So it's not like when we were live. 172 00:08:41,693 --> 00:08:44,453 Speaker 4: We were really we were more leaning towards the direction 173 00:08:44,533 --> 00:08:47,373 Speaker 4: of this record live for a long time anyways. So 174 00:08:48,813 --> 00:08:49,293 Speaker 4: but yeah, I. 175 00:08:49,293 --> 00:08:51,373 Speaker 3: Mean, I mean, you're not gonna you're not gonna isolate 176 00:08:51,413 --> 00:08:53,133 Speaker 3: your fans. As my point, You're not gonna say, like, 177 00:08:53,173 --> 00:08:55,373 Speaker 3: here we go, guys, new album and for your fans 178 00:08:55,373 --> 00:08:56,333 Speaker 3: is gonna go, what is this? 179 00:08:56,413 --> 00:09:00,213 Speaker 5: We definitely had some of that. Yeah, Unintentionally, we chose 180 00:09:00,213 --> 00:09:02,093 Speaker 5: a lot of the singles to be the heavier songs 181 00:09:02,133 --> 00:09:04,573 Speaker 5: because that's what we're excited about, I guess. And so 182 00:09:04,853 --> 00:09:07,813 Speaker 5: some people in Lane we're like, oh, abandoned us, And 183 00:09:07,933 --> 00:09:09,653 Speaker 5: to that I would always say, just swait to the 184 00:09:09,653 --> 00:09:12,093 Speaker 5: rest of the there are songs for you, we just haven't. 185 00:09:12,493 --> 00:09:15,933 Speaker 4: I fell down the unadvisable whole of replying to people 186 00:09:15,973 --> 00:09:19,173 Speaker 4: on what Yeah, I just you know, saying well, so, 187 00:09:19,253 --> 00:09:21,533 Speaker 4: you know, sorry to hear that you're not feeling this, 188 00:09:21,773 --> 00:09:24,213 Speaker 4: but I few and then people are very apologetic when 189 00:09:24,693 --> 00:09:26,373 Speaker 4: when somebody readtorts back. 190 00:09:26,453 --> 00:09:29,213 Speaker 3: But also my experience on read it is that people 191 00:09:29,253 --> 00:09:33,133 Speaker 3: are less horrible than some other generally speaking, than some 192 00:09:33,173 --> 00:09:34,693 Speaker 3: other social media platforms. 193 00:09:34,733 --> 00:09:38,893 Speaker 4: It's true. I haven't combed the Instagram or the dreaded Facebook. 194 00:09:39,333 --> 00:09:41,373 Speaker 3: It's the it's the it's the Twitter, it's the X 195 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:43,653 Speaker 3: where you really get into a kind of cesspit these days. 196 00:09:43,933 --> 00:09:46,813 Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no, you don't what're doing that? But well, 197 00:09:46,893 --> 00:09:48,373 Speaker 3: you guys are engaging at that level. 198 00:09:48,573 --> 00:09:48,773 Speaker 4: Yeah. 199 00:09:48,813 --> 00:09:50,613 Speaker 5: We just did have read it ask me anything yesterday 200 00:09:50,613 --> 00:09:52,093 Speaker 5: as well, so we are very included. 201 00:09:52,373 --> 00:09:57,773 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, And despite some nervousness from your fans 202 00:09:57,773 --> 00:10:01,053 Speaker 3: about the kind of changing direction, generally people are pretty 203 00:10:01,053 --> 00:10:01,613 Speaker 3: positive about it. 204 00:10:01,853 --> 00:10:02,053 Speaker 4: Yeah. 205 00:10:02,053 --> 00:10:04,533 Speaker 5: I think so because on album release day we released 206 00:10:04,533 --> 00:10:06,693 Speaker 5: Cowboy without a Clue, which is probably like our most 207 00:10:07,053 --> 00:10:09,533 Speaker 5: quintessential unisumer sounding song off this album. So I think 208 00:10:09,573 --> 00:10:11,213 Speaker 5: that has plicated a few people as well. 209 00:10:11,253 --> 00:10:13,413 Speaker 3: Did you record some of that in India? 210 00:10:13,573 --> 00:10:16,173 Speaker 4: Yeah? I did. I was traveling through India and I 211 00:10:16,253 --> 00:10:20,333 Speaker 4: was in Chennai and I just google maps recording studio 212 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:23,373 Speaker 4: near me and found a great studio called River Studios, 213 00:10:23,413 --> 00:10:26,133 Speaker 4: and I spent a week in there just tinkering around, 214 00:10:26,173 --> 00:10:27,933 Speaker 4: and I said, hey, do you happen to know any 215 00:10:28,013 --> 00:10:31,973 Speaker 4: like local players. It was a really great sitar player, 216 00:10:32,413 --> 00:10:35,773 Speaker 4: Kumar Kashore, who came in and did this thing for 217 00:10:35,933 --> 00:10:39,133 Speaker 4: twenty minutes. We went and had a meal and that 218 00:10:39,293 --> 00:10:41,333 Speaker 4: was that. Yeah, and then there was an incredible experience 219 00:10:41,413 --> 00:10:42,333 Speaker 4: to really like. 220 00:10:42,333 --> 00:10:43,333 Speaker 3: John Lennon nineteen. 221 00:10:44,013 --> 00:10:48,093 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was sort of my long lost weekend 222 00:10:48,413 --> 00:10:51,573 Speaker 4: in India, but yeah, it was. There was a really 223 00:10:52,013 --> 00:10:55,653 Speaker 4: cool experience, especially for something like a star is just 224 00:10:55,733 --> 00:10:58,013 Speaker 4: so far from the world of I didn't even know 225 00:10:58,013 --> 00:11:00,333 Speaker 4: how to give direction on it, and then just hearing 226 00:11:00,373 --> 00:11:02,053 Speaker 4: it on there it kind of just gave that track 227 00:11:02,493 --> 00:11:04,253 Speaker 4: a really different feel. But yeah, it was. 228 00:11:04,413 --> 00:11:06,933 Speaker 3: It was good fun, what an amazing experience. Yeah, so 229 00:11:07,013 --> 00:11:08,693 Speaker 3: you were just traveling through India at the time. 230 00:11:08,933 --> 00:11:11,053 Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, the thing with Yumi Zuomer is 231 00:11:11,053 --> 00:11:13,733 Speaker 4: like we kind of never really stop working on music, 232 00:11:13,853 --> 00:11:17,053 Speaker 4: you know, we always have things that we're tinkering around on, 233 00:11:18,293 --> 00:11:22,133 Speaker 4: and yeah, I like to find studios in different places. 234 00:11:22,893 --> 00:11:24,733 Speaker 4: They do a lot of solo travel, and at a certain 235 00:11:24,733 --> 00:11:27,133 Speaker 4: point you can only go to so many museums and 236 00:11:27,813 --> 00:11:30,573 Speaker 4: UNESCO heritage sites or whatever before you're sort of like, 237 00:11:30,613 --> 00:11:33,133 Speaker 4: I feel like I should be doing something, you know. 238 00:11:33,293 --> 00:11:35,573 Speaker 4: So the studio was yet a great resource. 239 00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:39,333 Speaker 3: And do you find it creatively stimulating to be traveling 240 00:11:39,333 --> 00:11:39,533 Speaker 3: like that? 241 00:11:39,693 --> 00:11:42,573 Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. In sort of the genesis of 242 00:11:42,613 --> 00:11:45,293 Speaker 4: like starting this record was a studio. We booked in 243 00:11:45,533 --> 00:11:49,733 Speaker 4: Mexico City and part of that, and we've done this before. 244 00:11:49,773 --> 00:11:52,493 Speaker 4: I feel like when you take people out of where 245 00:11:52,533 --> 00:11:55,533 Speaker 4: their home is and you're all having new experience at 246 00:11:55,533 --> 00:11:56,453 Speaker 4: the same time. 247 00:11:56,453 --> 00:11:58,973 Speaker 5: And you're not getting distracted by your friends and family. 248 00:11:58,933 --> 00:12:01,573 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you kind of open up in a way. 249 00:12:01,613 --> 00:12:04,533 Speaker 4: You're all seeing new things for the first time, you're 250 00:12:04,573 --> 00:12:06,893 Speaker 4: eating new foods for the first time. I think that 251 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:10,173 Speaker 4: that kind of gets a collective buy in to just 252 00:12:10,933 --> 00:12:14,133 Speaker 4: be a little bit more uninhabited. Yeah. So Mexico City 253 00:12:14,213 --> 00:12:16,773 Speaker 4: was a fantastic place to start this record. 254 00:12:16,893 --> 00:12:19,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so you're all there together for that day, Yeah, 255 00:12:19,653 --> 00:12:19,973 Speaker 3: we were. 256 00:12:20,253 --> 00:12:23,573 Speaker 5: We just played in Mexico City, man, And so we'd 257 00:12:23,573 --> 00:12:25,173 Speaker 5: go out and people would stop us in the streets 258 00:12:25,173 --> 00:12:25,533 Speaker 5: and stuff. 259 00:12:27,173 --> 00:12:30,133 Speaker 4: Really, yeah, they are huge music fans in Mexico, and 260 00:12:30,693 --> 00:12:34,293 Speaker 4: music is everywhere in that country, in particularly in that city, 261 00:12:34,373 --> 00:12:38,053 Speaker 4: like every corner you turn. And actually, I hadn't even 262 00:12:38,053 --> 00:12:40,813 Speaker 4: really thought of this. They are huge fans of alternative rock, 263 00:12:41,253 --> 00:12:43,653 Speaker 4: like some of the biggest bands there, like I think 264 00:12:43,693 --> 00:12:47,493 Speaker 4: the Deftones are one of the biggest bands in Mexico. 265 00:12:47,693 --> 00:12:49,933 Speaker 4: So maybe that was sort of pushing us in that 266 00:12:49,973 --> 00:12:50,653 Speaker 4: direction too. 267 00:12:51,293 --> 00:12:53,893 Speaker 5: And we found a great studio, Lucerna Studios. Yeah, they 268 00:12:53,893 --> 00:12:55,733 Speaker 5: looked after us very well, and we'd take us out 269 00:12:55,813 --> 00:12:57,213 Speaker 5: after recording and things like that. 270 00:12:57,253 --> 00:13:01,293 Speaker 4: So very colorful, draped and all draped in pink, pink carpet, 271 00:13:01,413 --> 00:13:05,333 Speaker 4: pink curtains, which you know, sometimes studios are quite drab 272 00:13:05,413 --> 00:13:08,453 Speaker 4: and have a bit of an eye key. Are modernists them? 273 00:13:08,773 --> 00:13:11,733 Speaker 4: Where this was? Yeah, this was a pop of refreshing 274 00:13:11,773 --> 00:13:12,573 Speaker 4: color for sure. 275 00:13:12,853 --> 00:13:14,533 Speaker 3: Oh how special, man, You guys that live in the 276 00:13:14,613 --> 00:13:20,013 Speaker 3: dream make it the same variy Chennai one minute, Mexico City, 277 00:13:20,053 --> 00:13:21,773 Speaker 3: the next off to Europe to start the tour. 278 00:13:21,853 --> 00:13:24,093 Speaker 5: Now, yeah, we'll be going to a few places. We 279 00:13:24,133 --> 00:13:29,733 Speaker 5: haven't been before, like Warsaw and Poland being there in Austria. 280 00:13:28,693 --> 00:13:31,693 Speaker 4: And we're actually trying really hard to predominantly do it 281 00:13:31,733 --> 00:13:34,173 Speaker 4: by train, which has been a long sort of dream 282 00:13:34,453 --> 00:13:37,933 Speaker 4: of mine to do the concert halls of Europe via trains. 283 00:13:38,133 --> 00:13:42,933 Speaker 4: So yeah, we are incredibly lucky like to just continue 284 00:13:42,973 --> 00:13:45,453 Speaker 4: to do it over a decade, continue to find an 285 00:13:45,493 --> 00:13:49,653 Speaker 4: audience and find ways to keep creatively stimulated. And I 286 00:13:49,693 --> 00:13:51,293 Speaker 4: think one of the things is we do sort of 287 00:13:51,453 --> 00:13:54,933 Speaker 4: switch it up. You know, the distance can be tough, 288 00:13:55,013 --> 00:13:58,093 Speaker 4: but it's meant that no record is the same, no 289 00:13:58,253 --> 00:14:00,933 Speaker 4: tour is the same. So yeah, very fortunate. 290 00:14:01,213 --> 00:14:03,613 Speaker 3: Oh how good, Well, congratulations, I'll know Love Lost to 291 00:14:03,733 --> 00:14:06,813 Speaker 3: Kindness have an amazing time on the road again, and 292 00:14:06,853 --> 00:14:08,533 Speaker 3: thank you so much for giving us your time this 293 00:14:08,653 --> 00:14:09,853 Speaker 3: brief window that you're home. 294 00:14:10,053 --> 00:14:11,693 Speaker 4: Thank you, Jack, thanks for having us. 295 00:14:12,013 --> 00:14:15,053 Speaker 3: Charlie and Josh from m ZOOMA. The new album is 296 00:14:15,173 --> 00:14:17,773 Speaker 3: No Love Lost to Kindness. 297 00:14:18,333 --> 00:14:21,453 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 298 00:14:21,533 --> 00:14:24,333 Speaker 1: to News Talks ed B from nine am Saturday, or 299 00:14:24,413 --> 00:14:26,333 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.