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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: It's not your weekend off the right way. Saturday Morning

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Speaker 2: with Jack Taine, News Talks at B.

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Speaker 3: More in a Good Morning New Zealand, Welcome to News

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Speaker 3: Dog ed V. I'm Jack Tame with you through to

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Speaker 3: midday today. You know how marmalade divides people? It does.

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Speaker 3: It divides people. Some people love it, some people not

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Speaker 3: so much. Personally, I'm yeah, I'm a fan. I can't

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Speaker 3: like anything sweet, but I understand why some people aren't,

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Speaker 3: if that makes sense, Like I'm into it, yes, but

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Speaker 3: if you said to me I'm not a fan of marmalade,

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't think that was crazy if you get my

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Speaker 3: drift anyway. The reason I'm pontificating on this is before

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Speaker 3: ten o'clock we have a delicious sounding recipe, at least

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Speaker 3: for those of us who are marmalade fans. Little marmalade cakes.

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Speaker 3: We're by the flavor of marmalade. Just a subtle little

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Speaker 3: flavor of marmalade has spread throughout the cake. So we're

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Speaker 3: going to share that with you very soon. As well

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Speaker 3: as that, I'm going to tell you about a brand

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Speaker 3: new movie starring Silly and Murphy. And then after ten

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Speaker 3: o'clock it is confession time on news talks. He'd be

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Speaker 3: my celebrity crush has a brand new show. I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to tell you who she is just yet, but

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you about her show after ten o'clock this morning.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it is eight minutes past nine Jack Team.

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Speaker 3: I flew to Graymouth the morning after Pike River First Blue.

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Speaker 3: I was there in and out for several weeks, and

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Speaker 3: I keenly remember those first few days of waiting. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like those first few days of hope, you know, checking

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Speaker 3: our phones and checking our phones and checking our phones.

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Speaker 3: It's a cliche, I know, but time moves so slowly

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Speaker 3: when you're watching a clock, and that's what I remember.

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Speaker 3: I remember the calculations, how much air might there be,

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Speaker 3: how much water could they have? How much food? I

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Speaker 3: remember the international media pouring into Graymouth, And I remember

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Speaker 3: the despair on the Wednesday afternoon when the families were

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Speaker 3: called in for an update. The mine had blown again

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Speaker 3: and the men were all dead. One of the great

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Speaker 3: privileges of being a journalist and being a reporter is

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Speaker 3: that you get to meet heaps of interesting people, and

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Speaker 3: you get to experience heaps of different things. And I've

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Speaker 3: certainly had more than my fish year of kind of

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Speaker 3: pinch myself moments over the years, you know. But for

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Speaker 3: all the elections and Olympics and Donald Trump rallies that

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Speaker 3: I've been lucky enough to attend, the most memorable afternoons

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Speaker 3: of my life was the afternoon of the Pike River Memorial.

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Speaker 3: And you might recall it from back in twenty ten,

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Speaker 3: so it was less than a fortnight after the men

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Speaker 3: went missing. They had this big public event at a

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Speaker 3: racecourse just out of town in Greymouth. But instead of going,

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Speaker 3: I decided to stay the afternoon in Graymouth. And I've

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Speaker 3: never experienced anything like it. It was empty, empty, like

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Speaker 3: hauntingly empty. Not a car, not an open shop, not

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Speaker 3: a soul. You could walk down the painted line in

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Speaker 3: Everyone was gone, because in a sense, a piece of

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Speaker 3: been the safest industry, and the coast has more than

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Speaker 3: I watched Pike River the film this week. I found

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Speaker 3: it very affecting. It's interesting to note that director Rob

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Speaker 3: Saki's also directed Out of the Blue, the film about Atamuana.

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Speaker 3: He waited sixteen years after the massacre to make and

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Speaker 3: But there's a big and obvious difference between Out of

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Speaker 3: the Blue and Pike River. The Pike River story still

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Speaker 3: isn't over. Police and the crowns that are still deciding

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Speaker 3: But you get the sense after fifteen years, the little

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Speaker 3: I experienced on that afternoon, still waiting for justice. Jack

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Speaker 3: Team ninety two. Ninety two is our text number. If

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Speaker 3: you want to send us some messages this morning, don't

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Speaker 3: is my email address and after ten o'clock in the

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Speaker 3: studio with us, Anna Osborne and Sonya Rockass the inspiration

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Speaker 3: for the Pike River film. One of the things about

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Speaker 3: the film, and I don't want to give too much

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Speaker 3: think they did a really good job with the Pike

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Speaker 3: River film was not sent to the whole thing on

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Speaker 3: the disaster itself. So that is obviously the kind of context,

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Speaker 3: and the first part of the film focuses on what happened,

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Speaker 3: but it's very much about the relationship between these two women,

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Speaker 3: between Anna and Sonya. Sonya who lost her son, Anna

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Speaker 3: who lost her husband. And so they're going to be

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Speaker 3: with us in studio after ten this morning. Kevin Man

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Speaker 3: will kick us off next It's thirteen minutes past nine

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Speaker 3: Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame. This is News Talks. He'd be.

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Speaker 2: No better way to kick off your weekend with Jack.

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Speaker 2: Saturday Morning with Jack Team News talks'd be sixteen minutes

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your feedback this morning. Peter has emailed

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Speaker 3: me this morning to say Jack, those were moving comments

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Speaker 3: about Pike River. I cannot believe it's fifteen years since

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Speaker 3: the disaster. Those families have been well and truly let

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Speaker 3: down by the system. Can't wait to see the film though.

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Speaker 3: The film is Yeah, it's really affecting for all New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: I think it's also beautiful, like beautiful. It has this

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Speaker 3: incredible opening, the shots of the West Coast that it's

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Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, it's just a stunning part

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Speaker 3: of the country. I'll get to more of you comments

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Speaker 3: in a few minutes ninety two ninety two if you

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Speaker 3: want to send us a text. Kevin Milner's here with

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to seeing the packer of the film too.

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Speaker 4: I'm falling behind a bit with the New Zealand movies.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen Prime Minister and the movie about an artists.

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Speaker 4: We both love Robin White. Yeah seen that yet?

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen either of those documentaries either, which is shocking.

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Speaker 3: So I'm with you. I've got an excuse to Kevin.

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Speaker 3: But you've got a story for us this week about

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Speaker 3: meeting someone where you least expected it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's as you probably know, Jack, I love to

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Speaker 4: tell an anecdote, and sometimes the anecdots and themselves mean

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Speaker 4: very little, but I'm hoping that the listeners will find

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Speaker 4: them moderately interesting. One day, about ten years ago, I

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Speaker 4: I chose not to turn around. This could only be

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Speaker 5: It was the soft voice.

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Speaker 4: Of an elderly man. He clearly felt that he knew me,

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Speaker 4: a hell of a shock. It was a man I'd

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Speaker 4: never met before, Jim Bolger, three term Prime Minister of

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Speaker 4: New Zealand, New Zealand Ambassador to the US and at

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Speaker 4: the time, I think, Chairman of New Zealand Post. What

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Speaker 4: the hell was Gentleman Jim, the Great Helmsman as he

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Speaker 4: was known, and one of New Zealand's most successful leaders,

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Speaker 4: doing sitting at a table on his own in a

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Speaker 4: to the point, why was he trying to get my

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Speaker 4: attention in this most unusual way. The answer to those

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Speaker 4: he didn't know many locals. Two, as he pointed out

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Speaker 4: after it had invited me over to his table, silly,

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Speaker 4: we should both be sitting on our own, separate tables

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Speaker 4: when we both know who the the person is. I

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Speaker 4: Jim Bolger up, pragmatic, unpretentious, speaks his mind friendly And

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Speaker 4: I was going to actually say, and your producers pointed

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Speaker 5: I was going to call.

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Speaker 4: Him Sir Jim Bulger, but he turned down that, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it would be my twoper would be turning in their graves.

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Speaker 3: They knew that I took a knight over from the Queen.

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Speaker 4: I'd always considered Jim Bolgier to be a rather predictable politician,

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Speaker 4: a conservative, rural nat. I think he used to be

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Speaker 4: He had this to say, Jack, in retirement, as I

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Speaker 4: climate change, I'm not convinced we're working hard enough. He

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Speaker 4: then quotes John F. Kennedy. If a free society, he

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Speaker 4: cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save

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Speaker 4: the few who are rich. Jim Bolger pointed out that

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Speaker 4: the party Harker movement should be studied if the world

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Speaker 5: It had accepted large.

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Speaker 4: Numbers of refugees from the land wars and then instead

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Speaker 4: of fighting, declared there was enough for all. He said,

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Speaker 4: if the world embraced that philosophy, we would at last

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Speaker 5: So he was.

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Speaker 4: He is a conservative man, but gush, he he flowed

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Speaker 4: I think when he retired. Yeah, and and got to

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Speaker 4: speak his mind about it around the different things uninhabited

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Speaker 4: by political parties, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So Jim Bolder.

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Speaker 4: Are a great prime minister and miss is a great

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Speaker 4: fellow retiree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lovely story, Kevin. You know what I

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Speaker 3: love about it. It's just it's so New Zealand. There

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Speaker 3: are a handful of countries at most where that would happen,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 7: Just just sitting there and you gets by a former

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Speaker 7: prime minister who's sitting behind you, and both of you know,

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Speaker 7: and it's just it's relaxed enough that he can say, well, look,

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Speaker 7: you know we've never met, but I know who you

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Speaker 7: are and you know who I am, both of Nicola Woods.

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Speaker 3: I come and join me for as gone.

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Speaker 4: You know, only Jim Bolder would say that you know

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Speaker 4: who I am, I know you you are. It's sort

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Speaker 4: of at the same table.

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Speaker 3: Twenty seven minutes past nine on News talks 'B. Yes,

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Speaker 3: A bit of a blowout in the first npcson the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's an outstanding prospect. Played very well again last night.

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Speaker 6: I think they've probably made the right move. Jamie Joseph

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Speaker 6: Pleasure is almost he I would imagine Jack and the

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Speaker 6: as well. So Canterby Hawks Bay tonight either of those

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Speaker 5: I think there's been a fair amount of interest in it.

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Speaker 6: Some of the defenses leave something to be desired, but it's.

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Speaker 6: Some time, looking forward to this tonight seven o'clock, seven

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Speaker 6: thirty seven o'clock start rather on on TV one. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Brendan McCallum, Tim Soudy, Jet and Patel Gilbert and Oaker

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Speaker 6: as well, Phoenix and begin the seasons in Australia and

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Speaker 5: One in America. Big big weekend to hear it. And

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Speaker 5: the Rugby League tests tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: So we've got just to be clear and the three

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know why. I think the cricket's been

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know why on if they didn't have

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Speaker 5: Day game in christ crowd, nothing better.

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Speaker 3: Don't get me going on the scheduling. Hey, I'll put

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Speaker 3: you on the spot very quickly, Sev. Who's your celebrity crush?

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Speaker 6: I think you're going to ask me about my favorite

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, who's gee?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. Whatever I say, get in trouble. So

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Speaker 3: Aint come on, Yeah, you're gotta put your finger on

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Speaker 5: I'm just starting to lose signal.

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Speaker 3: My celebrity crush is Kerrie Russell. I've always had a

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Speaker 3: I promise not to dedicate too much of our hour

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Speaker 3: Your film picks for the weekend. Next, this cool, This

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Speaker 3: is Time and Parlor. It's a brand new song. It's

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Speaker 3: called end of Summer sight. Weird time to be releasing

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Speaker 3: film review of Francesca Rudkin is here with her film

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Speaker 3: Picture this week. Good morning, Good morning. It's like ow,

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Speaker 3: Fat Freddy's used to always, you know, they always like

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Speaker 3: and it's the perfect thing just to ease you into

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Speaker 3: an iice cold winter.

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Speaker 8: Well, we all need to suring us win.

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Speaker 9: If we can be fooled into thinking it's not as

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Speaker 9: bad as it is, that's sort of yeah.

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Speaker 3: You're a Kirie Russell fan. Yes, oh, yes, the different

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Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, we're not doing too much of the

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Speaker 3: focus on the show this morning on Carrie Russell. Just

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Speaker 3: a little bit, just an appropriate amount. I'm a big

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Speaker 3: fan from way back. Anyway, You've got two films for

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Speaker 3: us this morning, so we will kick off with a

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Speaker 3: new film streaming on Netflix, this one starring Kelly and Murphy.

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Speaker 10: Have listen to Steve, so they're asking everyone to describe

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Speaker 10: themselves in three words.

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Speaker 11: These are extraordinary, complex young people.

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Speaker 3: Okay, tell us about Steve Francisca.

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Speaker 8: Yes, So I have got two films today, which are

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Speaker 8: both adaptations of books. Both have gone straight to streaming

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Speaker 8: services to be released here in New Zealand on Netflix,

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Speaker 8: and Kelly and Murphy stars in this film. And the

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Speaker 8: book originally kind of focused on a student at this

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Speaker 8: particular school and they've kind of to make it work

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Speaker 8: for the film, they've switched it around to focus on

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Speaker 8: the headmaster, Steve and Kellyan Murphy plays this headmaster and

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Speaker 8: he runs this very small, last chance rural school in

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Speaker 8: some sort of lovely, big old house in the country.

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Speaker 8: He's really only just holding it together along with his

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Speaker 8: deputy played by Tracy Olwen, and it's great to see

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Speaker 8: her back on screen in a role. These two work

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Speaker 8: really nicely together. It's said in the nineteen nineties, there's

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Speaker 8: real attent into the music, Like if you remember the

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Speaker 8: nineteen nineties and drum and bass, then you'll be right

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Speaker 8: back there in those moments. But these teenagers are really difficult.

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Speaker 8: This is probably the last chance that they have. This

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Speaker 8: is a place where people care for them and look

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Speaker 8: after them and really trying to make sure that they

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Speaker 8: can have a future, because you know, schools have are

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Speaker 8: done with them. You know, often their parents are done

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Speaker 8: with them, society has done with them. Trouble, they have

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Speaker 8: learning disabilities, they have mental health issues that you know,

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Speaker 8: they deal with trauma and things. So this school really

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Speaker 8: does have Yeah is taking their because it's the last

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Speaker 8: chance for these kids to really find their feet, and

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Speaker 8: Steph and his team treat them with a lot of respect.

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Speaker 8: They refuse to give up on them. But the problem

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Speaker 8: is that the school is about to close So this

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Speaker 8: film actually just takes place of a twenty four hours

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Speaker 8: Jack and We had. There's a visitor, a very funny

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Speaker 8: visit from MP A local news crew has come out

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Speaker 8: to do a story on the school. There's also just

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Speaker 8: trying to deal with the chaotic nature of these boys

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Speaker 8: and what they get up to in things. I think

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Speaker 8: this is one of those films where you a film

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Speaker 8: you watch for the performances. Clean Murphy is absolutely fantastic,

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Speaker 8: as are the teenagers who play these boys. They really are.

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Speaker 9: Fantastic, But it just it just gives you a little

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Speaker 9: sort of it's sort of very performance driven, but it

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Speaker 9: does kind of remind you of the you know, the

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Speaker 9: important of their being somewhere for these kind.

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Speaker 8: Of students to go. So, yeah, really really great, really

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Speaker 8: really clear, I really well put together. But I think, yeah,

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Speaker 8: you'd watch this one of the performances. They're really great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Okay, So that's Steve. It's on Netflix, starring

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Speaker 3: Kelly and Murphy mixed up. This is The Woman and

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Speaker 3: Kevin Tin.

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Speaker 12: Laura Blacklock.

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Speaker 3: Laura is an award winning journalist historian.

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Speaker 5: Piece for us on the Foundation.

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Speaker 1: I know this is an unusual approach to charity three

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Speaker 1: days in a luxury yacht.

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Speaker 3: Laura is going to be spyingness Bam Bam Bam, starring

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Speaker 3: Kiera Knightley Die appears a big names.

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Speaker 8: This is an adaptation of a book by Ruth Ware.

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Speaker 8: It's not based on a true story, but she has

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Speaker 8: been inspired by real life experiences. She was inspired by

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Speaker 8: stories where by women their word wasn't sort of taken

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Speaker 8: at face value, you know, they were the word was

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Speaker 8: endlessly sort of dissected or pulled apart. And so what

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Speaker 8: we have here is we had this journalist from The

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Speaker 8: Guardian played by Karen Nightmy who's come back from a

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Speaker 8: very difficult assignment. She's an investigative journalist does very serious pieces.

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Speaker 8: She's invited to go on this super yacht to cruise

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Speaker 8: to Norway for the announcement of the charity launch with

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Speaker 8: this very wealthy couple, and it's sort of thought to

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Speaker 8: be a bit of a puff piece that she can

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Speaker 8: write while also having a bit of time off and

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Speaker 8: taking a little bit of a break.

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Speaker 13: But when she gets on board, the host Richard played

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Speaker 13: by Guy Peers who you heard there, he sort of

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Speaker 13: just appears a little bit dodgy and on her first

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Speaker 13: night there there was a kerfuffle in a cabin next door,

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Speaker 13: and she is sure that someone has gone overboard, and

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Speaker 13: from there we end up with this woman who.

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Speaker 8: Was pretty much gas lit for the rest of the

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Speaker 8: entire film, which gets a little tiresome, to be honest

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Speaker 8: with you, Jack, As you know, she thinks that there

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Speaker 8: is something going on, something strange, something very dangerous is

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Speaker 8: happening on this yacht, and everybody else is implying that

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Speaker 8: she stressed, and she's just losing her mind, and you know,

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Speaker 8: her job's taking a toll, lot.

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Speaker 9: Of it hysterical, she's being hysterical, and to be honest

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Speaker 9: with you, you can kind of imagine cure a night

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Speaker 9: and you're going into this kind of this kind of mode.

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Speaker 8: And then she just sort of stated it. She's a

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Speaker 8: great actress, right, I've given a lot to do here

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Speaker 8: except kind of be guess, And I find that quite

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Speaker 8: frustrating watching someone just be frustrated for the entirety of

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Speaker 8: a film. So it doesn't quite work for me. I'm

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Speaker 8: not sure that the build up is good enough for

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Speaker 8: the twist at the end. Great cast, really good supporting

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Speaker 8: cast as well. Yeah, I just didn't quite farve me

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Speaker 8: it's very Agata Christi esque, which I really like, I

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Speaker 8: really enjoy, but you don't really kind of like you

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Speaker 8: need these characters or anything. So it was just a

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Speaker 8: bit of a misfire for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you know what the problem.

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Speaker 14: Is, We've had too many the women, the woman movies

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Speaker 14: and stories, the woman in the train, the woman behind

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Speaker 14: the curtains, the woman and the otherwise sleepy suburban neighborhoods,

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Speaker 14: the woman and the thing, the woman in my dream, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, the woman at the top of the stairs, the

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Speaker 3: woman in the basement.

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Speaker 8: You know, I thought you're trying to imply that there's

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Speaker 8: too many.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not trying to say there's too many women.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to say, don't you think, like how

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Speaker 3: many I'm going to ask chet GPT in a few minutes,

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Speaker 3: how many the woman things have there been? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: The person and ten?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Okay, beg you very much, Francisca. So that is

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Speaker 3: the Woman in Cabin ten. It's on Netflix, so is

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Speaker 3: Steve will have all the details for those films up

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Speaker 3: on the news talks, he'd be website And speaking of

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Speaker 3: the news Talks, he'd be website. You have to get

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Speaker 3: in quick. If you want to win a double pass

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Speaker 3: to the Intrepid British and Irish Film Festival. You've only

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Speaker 3: got until tomorrow, so you got to get a move on.

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Speaker 3: The film festival is screening across New Zealand from the

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Speaker 3: twenty ninth of October to November nineteenth. It's got an

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Speaker 3: incredible lineup of titles, heaps of star power films featuring

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Speaker 3: the likes of Emma Thompson, Bill Nigh and Ralph Finds

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Speaker 3: So news Talks, he'db dot co dot m z Ford

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Speaker 3: slash Win is the place to go. It closes tomorrow's

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Speaker 3: you Gotta be Quick quarter to ten. Our Cook's in

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Speaker 3: next with her little marmalade Ax recipe for.

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Speaker 2: Us Saturday Morning with Jack Team keeping the conversation going

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Speaker 2: through the weekend news talks.

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Speaker 15: He'd Be The.

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Speaker 3: Woman in Green. That was a Sherlock Holmes film. The

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Speaker 3: Woman in the Room was a short film based on

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Speaker 3: a Stephen King story, The Woman in the Fifth, The

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Speaker 3: Woman in the Window, The Woman in Black, and then

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Speaker 3: of course the the Netflix dark comedy making fun of

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Speaker 3: all the woman movies. The Woman in the House Across

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Speaker 3: the Street from The Girl in the window, very good, right,

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Speaker 3: twelve minutes ten on News Talks, he'd be cook NICKI

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Speaker 3: works is here with us? This kid love that.

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Speaker 8: That's hilarious.

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Speaker 11: And then there's all the girl ones the girl Try.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I didn't even want it. Yeah, could

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Speaker 3: you just.

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Speaker 16: Finished that movie last night? I watched it in two parts,

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Speaker 16: which I recommend for people because the first time is

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Speaker 16: incredibly suspenseful and fantastic.

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Speaker 8: Maybe the second half isn't as.

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Speaker 17: Great, but you don't mind.

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Speaker 3: You don't mind at that stage. Okay, good. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: need to see a glowing review of it, but that's okay.

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Speaker 3: I am right. So I'm a marmalade fan. Marmalade does

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Speaker 3: divide people.

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Speaker 11: It divides me.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: People often give me marmalade, which is great, and I

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Speaker 16: think it is something that you give away because you

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Speaker 16: make it, and you're going.

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Speaker 8: To get through so much marmalade because it's quite intense.

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Speaker 16: I love an orange marmalade, great fruit marmalade.

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Speaker 18: Sometimes a bit bitter, but I do. I do enjoy it.

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Speaker 16: And but I end up with a few jars that

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure what to do, and I'm actually, for

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Speaker 16: the first time in my life, just getting some renovations done,

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Speaker 16: and I am putting in a pantry. I will have

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Speaker 16: a pantry for the first time in my life, which

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Speaker 16: means I discovered that I had three jars with marmalade

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Speaker 16: in there, so I thought, I know, these little beautiful

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Speaker 16: there's a light. They're little buttery cakes. You could make

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Speaker 16: one big one, but I make them a little muffin

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Speaker 16: tins and they're actually gorgeous, and marmalade and a cake

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Speaker 16: is fantastic. It's sort of there's that sweetness to offset

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Speaker 16: the bitterness. I've seen a recipe recently a little while

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Speaker 16: ago from Lovely Olivia Galapley, which was a marmalade chicken baked,

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Speaker 16: and I tried it and it was amazing, So yeah,

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Speaker 16: I think use it in things. Anyway, here we go,

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Speaker 16: oven on one eighty. I knew I'm using a little

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Speaker 16: muffin tin for this, and I line each one with

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Speaker 16: a little square of baking paper as insurance. I'm creaming

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Speaker 16: one hundred and seventy grams of softened butter and a

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Speaker 16: cup of sugar, the proper sugar. Hair, not cast of sugar.

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Speaker 18: Proper sugar.

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Speaker 16: And you want it to be really light and fluffy

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Speaker 16: because we have no baking powder in this recipe. We

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Speaker 16: have a little bit of baking soda. But so we

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Speaker 16: need to get some air into our butter. Creaming of

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Speaker 16: the butter and sugar. Add in two eggs, one at

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Speaker 16: a time. I tend to beat those for about twenty

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Speaker 16: seconds between each one.

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Speaker 8: It will probably curdle in.

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Speaker 16: The slightly you know, slightly cool weather. Still don't worry

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Speaker 16: about that. It doesn't make any difference to the ultimate end.

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Speaker 6: Of the cake.

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Speaker 8: The little cake.

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Speaker 16: Sift in two cups of plain flour and one tablespoon

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Speaker 16: of marmalade and sort of either just beat very briefly

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Speaker 16: or just you know, you don't want to overbeat flour

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Speaker 16: because it makes for a tough cake, so you just

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Speaker 16: want to kind of stir or beat this in briefly

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Speaker 16: until it's combined. You've got no pockets of that flour.

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Speaker 16: And then here's a weird little thing that tells me

651
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Speaker 16: this is a very old recipe or an old style

652
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Speaker 16: of recipe. Siftin in a cup, combine one cup of

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Speaker 16: milk that you stir in one tablespoon of lemon juice,

654
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Speaker 16: and you wait until it curdles. So that you've sort

655
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Speaker 16: of got a buttermilk, Jack, which is fantastic. So you

656
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Speaker 16: do that, and then you stir in one teaspoon of

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Speaker 16: baking soda, and this is what's also going to give

658
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Speaker 16: our cakes some allow little cakes, some ries some levitation

659
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Speaker 16: because that will sort of air eate, and so add

660
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Speaker 16: that into the cake better and just fold that through

661
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Speaker 16: until it's combined. Fill each of your muffin holes to

662
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Speaker 16: about two foods because they do rise a bit. Bake

663
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Speaker 16: for about eight fifteen to eighteen minutes. I love a

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Speaker 16: quick bake on a cake because I want to eat them.

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Speaker 16: They're like brown and sort of quite bring back to

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Speaker 16: the touch. If you listen to cakes too, Jack, I

667
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Speaker 16: know I'm not going mad with innovations. I promise if

668
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Speaker 16: you listen to cakes, you know that they're cooked because

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Speaker 16: you shouldn't really hear a lot of crackling. So if

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Speaker 16: you put your ear down to a cake all these

671
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Speaker 16: little muffin things, it should be pretty quiet, Whereas if

672
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Speaker 16: the cake is still cooking, you'll hear quite a lot

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Speaker 16: of little crackling. So know, yeah, if you can't find

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Speaker 16: that skiller in time, that is, or you don't know

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Speaker 16: how to press it so it springs back to the touch.

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Speaker 11: That's what you do.

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Speaker 16: And then I make a little topping for these, which

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Speaker 16: is half a cup of brown sugar, quart of a

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Speaker 16: cup of the marmalade, So that's good. I've got rid

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Speaker 16: of quite a bit of a marmalade there, and a

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Speaker 16: tablespoon of orange juice and sort of just melt those

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Speaker 16: together and then simmer it just briefly. And then as

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Speaker 16: soon as the muffins are cooled till they're just kind

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Speaker 16: of warm, you can poke some holes and then then

685
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Speaker 16: spoon over the glaze. So it's kind of like that,

686
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Speaker 16: you know what you do with a lemon syrup cake.

687
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Speaker 16: So they're really moist and beautiful. These cakes, they're absolutely delicious.

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Speaker 16: A good cup of tea. Oh I'm feeling it for

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Speaker 16: the sweet sounds fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Yes, film a muffin hole to exactly.

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Speaker 16: I didn't think rather latterly when I was waiting to

692
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Speaker 16: come on, some flake diamonds might be nice on top

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Speaker 16: of the hole.

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Speaker 3: Like sliver, a chicky little sliver.

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Speaker 11: We do, we do it.

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Speaker 16: Whenever I was filming World Kitchen, I had an issue

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Speaker 16: with saying slithered.

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Speaker 8: Or slivered, and I would always substitute the wrong one.

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Speaker 16: So I would often talk about slivers, obviously, but I

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Speaker 16: would say slithers, because you know what it's like when

701
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Speaker 16: you're in front of the camera, you're you're a bit

702
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Speaker 16: weird and we have to cut and then Nikki, it's.

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Speaker 3: Slivered and no, I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 11: Guys.

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Speaker 3: Nothing worse than muffin hole? Is there?

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Speaker 14: You go?

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Speaker 3: I thank you so much. It does sound really nice.

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Speaker 3: I think I'll be into that. So we're going to

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Speaker 3: make sure we share that recipe for Nicky's Little marmalade cakes.

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Speaker 3: So buttery little Marmalade cakes will be up on the

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Speaker 3: News Talks. He'd be website and a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it is seven to ten.

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Speaker 2: Giving you the inside scoop on the board you need

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Speaker 2: to know Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks at the.

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Speaker 3: See what I did when I wanted to find out

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Speaker 3: all the films that started with the woman or books

717
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Speaker 3: that started with the woman. I went to chat GPT

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Speaker 3: on my phone and I said, what films or books

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Speaker 3: start with the woman in the title or similar? Right,

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Speaker 3: That's what I said, but it missed one. So it

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Speaker 3: gave me lots of good examples immediately, but then a

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Speaker 3: missed one and Greg flickmany note to say, Jack, you

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Speaker 3: missed the woman in Red, so chat GBT let me

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Speaker 3: down on that occasion. Speaking of chat GPT, after ten

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Speaker 3: o'clock this morning, we're going to catch up with our

726
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Speaker 3: texpert about the big news in the AI world this week.

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Speaker 3: Chat GPT is getting an adult's only version, so you

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Speaker 3: want to make sure if you are searching the Woman

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Speaker 3: in Red, you're doing it on the right version, otherwise

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Speaker 3: that could be a little bit of a shock to

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Speaker 3: the system. Anyway, he's going to give us all the

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Speaker 3: details that he can about that very soon. We're going

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Speaker 3: to have our screen time segment as well, of course,

734
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Speaker 3: where we recommend three shows to watch or stream from

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Speaker 3: home over the weekend, including the brand new season of

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Speaker 3: The Diplomat. That is the show starring actress Kerry Russell.

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Speaker 3: It's just got its third series streaming on Netflix. But

738
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Speaker 3: if you haven't seen it before, in our screen time segment,

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Speaker 3: we'll give you all the details about that. And then

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Speaker 3: in studio, right after the Tennacott news, Anna Osborne and

741
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Speaker 3: Sonia Rockhouse the inspiration for the film Pike River. They'll

742
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Speaker 3: be with us very soon. It's almost Tenna Coock though.

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Speaker 3: News is next. I'm Jack Tame at Saturday Morning. This

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Speaker 3: is News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 2: Team News Talks at b.

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Speaker 3: Mord In A good morning and welcome to News Talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be with Jack Tame. It's been almost fifteen years

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Speaker 3: since the Pike River mining disaster, in which twenty nine

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Speaker 3: men lost their lives. A new film, Pike River, tells

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Speaker 3: the true story of the tragedy and its aftermath through

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Speaker 3: the eyes of Anna Osborne and Sonya Rockhouse, two women

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Speaker 3: at the forefront of the fight for justice.

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Speaker 19: A decision has been made that this prosecution is not

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Speaker 19: going to proceed.

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Speaker 3: And mind will be permanently sealed. That's the reality.

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Speaker 11: No one is going to go on the earth again.

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Speaker 19: So what are you going to do?

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Speaker 8: We're going to stop them.

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Speaker 3: Anna lost her husband Milton in Pike River. Sonya lost

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Speaker 3: her son Ben, while one of her other sons, Daniel,

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Speaker 3: was one of just two survivors Pike River. The film

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Speaker 3: has just had its week of premiers around New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and Anna Osborne and Sonya Rockass so with us in

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Speaker 3: studio Kilda. Good morning, morning, good morning. It's so good

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Speaker 3: to see you both, and I know you have had

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Speaker 3: a crazy week, so we really appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 3: Before I asked too much about the film, can I

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Speaker 3: ask about the process? How does this kind of thing happen?

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Speaker 3: How does someone like Rob Saky's come to the community

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Speaker 3: and say, you know what I think? I want to

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Speaker 3: tell your story? Anna?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, he actually wasn't He had his eye on Pike River,

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Speaker 20: but he wasn't too interested in making a film as yet.

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Speaker 20: But as time progressed and he saw two women that

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Speaker 20: were actually trying to bring about truth and justice, he thought, well,

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Speaker 20: actually there could be a movie in this. And so

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Speaker 20: he waited and watched for quite a while, and then

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Speaker 20: he approached us as well as a few other film companies,

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Speaker 20: and was interested in making a movie about us. And

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Speaker 20: we were thinking, what the heck? Why would someone want

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Speaker 20: to make a movie about two middle aged women who

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Speaker 20: nothing flash and nothing fens And we're trying to you know,

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Speaker 20: we were trying to do what was right for our

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Speaker 20: loved ones and the twenty you know, the other twenty

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Speaker 20: seven men that were underground. So it was surreal thinking

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Speaker 20: that anyone would want to make a movie about us.

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Speaker 3: Was it a difficult balance? Because I can imagine from

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Speaker 3: your perspective, given everything you've experienced over the last fifteen years,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people in your shoes would find it

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Speaker 3: hard to trust people, and you have to go to

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Speaker 3: someone like Rob and put an increa amount of trust

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Speaker 3: in him to tell your story. How did you feel

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Speaker 3: about this on you?

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Speaker 21: Well, I kind of feel like he's the sort of

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Speaker 21: person that when you meet him, I trust my instinct

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Speaker 21: most of the time, and I just felt I just

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Speaker 21: felt safe with him, and Fiona too. And you can

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Speaker 21: tell when somebody is interested in what you're saying. And

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Speaker 21: we've had plenty of people that, you know, give us

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Speaker 21: lip service but aren't actually listening. But he was listening,

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Speaker 21: and he asked a lot of questions, and he spent

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Speaker 21: a lot of time with us. And one of the

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Speaker 21: big frustrations for Anna and I was that nobody wanted

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Speaker 21: to listen. Everyone had Pike fatigue. They were sick of it,

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Speaker 21: and they didn't want to listen to what we had

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Speaker 21: to say because it went against the grain. And you know,

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Speaker 21: as he was, we know that you know, we're pretty

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Speaker 21: we are pretty conservative people. At you know, of the time,

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Speaker 21: and so we don't like to rock the boat, and

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Speaker 21: we were rocking the boat, and you know, people got

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Speaker 21: annoyed by that. So to have somebody like Rob and

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Speaker 21: Fiona just wanting us to spill everything that we were

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Speaker 21: feeling and thinking, it was so liberating because we felt

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Speaker 21: like finally we were taking control, you know, because for

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Speaker 21: years we just had to sit there and be told

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Speaker 21: what we were being told, and we knew that it

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Speaker 21: wasn't right, but there was nothing we could do about it.

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Speaker 3: We were told to be.

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Speaker 19: To be.

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Speaker 11: To be right, and to be.

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Speaker 21: Dignified because otherwise the government might, you know, walk away.

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Speaker 21: And I actually believe that in the beginning, and then

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Speaker 21: I thought later on, you know, that's just rubbish. They're

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Speaker 21: never going to do that. And so yeah, he just

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Speaker 21: he just sort of built that trust up. It didn't

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Speaker 21: happen immediately, course, but we could that he genuinely wanted

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Speaker 21: to tell our story and so yeah, that's why we

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Speaker 21: went with him.

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Speaker 3: So no doubt you immediately pushed for say over the cast,

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Speaker 3: you said, right, we want Gwyneth Peltrow, we want.

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Speaker 21: We had a lot of fun coming up with all

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Speaker 21: different names that we thought each one should. Never in

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Speaker 21: my wildest dreams could I ever have imagined that Robin

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Speaker 21: Malcolm would be playing me. In fact, when Rob rang

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Speaker 21: me up and said that Robin was going to be

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Speaker 21: playing me, I was gobsmacked. I couldn't speak. And then

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Speaker 21: I said, no, why she cannot play me? And he

839
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Speaker 21: said why and I said, because she is gorgeous, like

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Speaker 21: she's like an eighth my size, and you know, and

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Speaker 21: she just she's just so I mean, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 21: My Outrageous Fortune was just one of my favorite shows.

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Speaker 21: And I and you know who does love Robin Malcolm.

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Speaker 20: So I.

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Speaker 21: Still can't believe it when I look at her and

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Speaker 21: she looks at us with the same ore that we

847
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Speaker 21: look at her, and it's just the weirdest thing.

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Speaker 3: I thought they did an amazing job. I thought Melanie

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Speaker 3: and Robin did an incredible job. So you guys have

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Speaker 3: seen the film a few times now. You've had a

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Speaker 3: series of premiers, kind of like a touring series of

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Speaker 3: premier years. This week, can you tell me about being

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Speaker 3: in Graymouth in it for the first time and seeing

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Speaker 3: the film for the first time. It was quite overwhelming,

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Speaker 3: a lot of emotion because you were there with all

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Speaker 3: the families, right, this is a private private screening.

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Speaker 20: Talking about the one before we yeah, family viewing and yeah,

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Speaker 20: so that was viewed by about forty family members and

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Speaker 20: the response from the families was an overwhelming well done, ladies,

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Speaker 20: because they did not know exactly what Sonya and I

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Speaker 20: had been doing behind the scenes. You know, I would

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Speaker 20: send out emails to the families and say, well, listen,

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Speaker 20: this is what we're trying to do now, or this

864
00:46:15,653 --> 00:46:18,853
Speaker 20: is what has been suggested or whatever. In the families

865
00:46:18,933 --> 00:46:23,333
Speaker 20: for email back and say yep, we support you, thank

866
00:46:23,373 --> 00:46:25,813
Speaker 20: you so much. And that was about it. But for

867
00:46:25,973 --> 00:46:28,293
Speaker 20: Sonya and I, we actually got off our bums and

868
00:46:28,373 --> 00:46:31,853
Speaker 20: we did the hard yards behind the scenes, and the

869
00:46:31,973 --> 00:46:34,253
Speaker 20: film sort of validates everything we.

870
00:46:34,693 --> 00:46:37,693
Speaker 3: Have done because, for want of a better term, you

871
00:46:37,813 --> 00:46:40,973
Speaker 3: guys have been agitators, and I mean that in a

872
00:46:41,013 --> 00:46:42,933
Speaker 3: good way. You're laughing, Sonya, but you know what I mean, Like,

873
00:46:43,293 --> 00:46:47,093
Speaker 3: you guys have been fighting, and for much of that fight,

874
00:46:47,933 --> 00:46:51,373
Speaker 3: you have gone through all of these different processes thinking

875
00:46:51,493 --> 00:46:54,853
Speaker 3: that that work would be unseen, you know. And in

876
00:46:54,933 --> 00:46:57,813
Speaker 3: a way, this is like the amazing thing about the

877
00:46:57,853 --> 00:47:01,053
Speaker 3: film for the first time, not just the other families,

878
00:47:01,093 --> 00:47:03,493
Speaker 3: but the world gets to get.

879
00:47:03,573 --> 00:47:07,453
Speaker 21: So we hope that people I've been asked many times

880
00:47:07,893 --> 00:47:10,133
Speaker 21: what do I hope that people take away from the movie,

881
00:47:10,173 --> 00:47:12,933
Speaker 21: And one of the things that I hope for is

882
00:47:13,053 --> 00:47:16,333
Speaker 21: that people get an understanding of what the families have

883
00:47:16,493 --> 00:47:19,613
Speaker 21: been through and had to go through. I mean, when

884
00:47:19,653 --> 00:47:22,733
Speaker 21: you think about it, logically, we should never have had

885
00:47:22,773 --> 00:47:25,493
Speaker 21: to fight to get what we've done. This was not

886
00:47:25,653 --> 00:47:28,253
Speaker 21: our fault, this was not our men's fault, and so

887
00:47:28,973 --> 00:47:30,853
Speaker 21: the fact that we even had to do it is

888
00:47:31,093 --> 00:47:35,733
Speaker 21: just the most terrible thing. But yeah, I'd like people

889
00:47:35,813 --> 00:47:42,813
Speaker 21: to take away that message, plus the message that about

890
00:47:44,693 --> 00:47:47,093
Speaker 21: if anybody else is in a position where they see

891
00:47:47,133 --> 00:47:50,173
Speaker 21: things in the workplace that are not right, you need

892
00:47:50,293 --> 00:47:53,453
Speaker 21: to speak up. Don't be afraid to speak up because

893
00:47:54,373 --> 00:47:59,693
Speaker 21: health and safety is so important. And our health and

894
00:47:59,733 --> 00:48:02,893
Speaker 21: safety rate in New Zealand is abysmal, and it's one

895
00:48:02,933 --> 00:48:08,253
Speaker 21: of the worst in the western world. And why why

896
00:48:08,413 --> 00:48:08,613
Speaker 21: is that?

897
00:48:09,253 --> 00:48:09,413
Speaker 15: You know?

898
00:48:09,853 --> 00:48:13,213
Speaker 21: So, yeah, that's what I hope that people take away

899
00:48:13,253 --> 00:48:13,493
Speaker 21: from it.

900
00:48:13,813 --> 00:48:16,413
Speaker 3: So it was amazing to me because Rob said to me,

901
00:48:16,573 --> 00:48:18,893
Speaker 3: make sure when I watch it, I have headphones in,

902
00:48:19,373 --> 00:48:21,573
Speaker 3: headphones on so I can really immerse myself on the

903
00:48:21,653 --> 00:48:24,253
Speaker 3: sound and it was really incredible. From the first couple

904
00:48:24,293 --> 00:48:29,613
Speaker 3: of frames of the film, which are beautiful but also haunting.

905
00:48:31,813 --> 00:48:34,253
Speaker 3: It kind of transferred me back from my experience, and

906
00:48:34,293 --> 00:48:38,493
Speaker 3: of course my experience is nothing like your experiences, but

907
00:48:38,613 --> 00:48:41,453
Speaker 3: I wondered, having seen the film a few times now,

908
00:48:41,973 --> 00:48:43,493
Speaker 3: are you seeing different things in it?

909
00:48:43,693 --> 00:48:43,893
Speaker 11: Yeah?

910
00:48:44,493 --> 00:48:48,373
Speaker 20: Absolutely, I mean I think I've seen it about six times.

911
00:48:49,373 --> 00:48:53,093
Speaker 20: There was one where with the music, the orchestra hadn't

912
00:48:53,133 --> 00:48:57,173
Speaker 20: finished doing the sound for it yet, so we went

913
00:48:57,293 --> 00:48:59,973
Speaker 20: through a movie without sound, which was really quite weird.

914
00:49:00,293 --> 00:49:05,413
Speaker 20: As you know, you don't usually have that opportunity that

915
00:49:05,893 --> 00:49:09,573
Speaker 20: we have watched it. And each time we come away

916
00:49:10,053 --> 00:49:13,213
Speaker 20: from seeing it, we turn around and we say, can

917
00:49:13,253 --> 00:49:17,293
Speaker 20: you remember that actually happening? Well, I can't remember seeing

918
00:49:17,373 --> 00:49:20,213
Speaker 20: that the first time we saw the movie, and it's

919
00:49:20,373 --> 00:49:23,373
Speaker 20: just it's really bizarre, really, isn't it, because we just yeah,

920
00:49:23,413 --> 00:49:27,413
Speaker 20: we keep seeing different things, and yeah, it's kind of cool.

921
00:49:27,493 --> 00:49:30,133
Speaker 21: We were there during the filming, so you know, we

922
00:49:30,373 --> 00:49:33,813
Speaker 21: were seeing these scenes being played out, But then when

923
00:49:33,853 --> 00:49:37,573
Speaker 21: you watch it, it's there is in a sad every

924
00:49:37,653 --> 00:49:40,293
Speaker 21: time there's something that I think, oh, I don't remember

925
00:49:40,333 --> 00:49:41,333
Speaker 21: seeing that last.

926
00:49:41,173 --> 00:49:44,893
Speaker 20: Time that we are really proud of what we see

927
00:49:44,973 --> 00:49:50,053
Speaker 20: on the screen and realize, you know, we two ordinary

928
00:49:50,133 --> 00:49:56,373
Speaker 20: women could actually change so many things in New Zealand,

929
00:49:57,773 --> 00:50:02,293
Speaker 20: like laws, health and safety, even the government. You know,

930
00:50:02,373 --> 00:50:04,813
Speaker 20: if the government was going to change. We wanted everyone

931
00:50:04,933 --> 00:50:08,813
Speaker 20: to support Pike. I stand with Pike, and we did that.

932
00:50:08,973 --> 00:50:11,613
Speaker 20: We've got a commitment from all the other parties that

933
00:50:11,733 --> 00:50:15,253
Speaker 20: are the minor parties apart from ACT and of course National.

934
00:50:15,933 --> 00:50:19,093
Speaker 20: All the other parties at the time signed this agreement

935
00:50:19,293 --> 00:50:24,053
Speaker 20: that if Labor got in, they would support Pike River

936
00:50:25,093 --> 00:50:29,093
Speaker 20: and you know they would perform in the.

937
00:50:30,613 --> 00:50:31,373
Speaker 21: Safety entry.

938
00:50:31,453 --> 00:50:31,853
Speaker 3: That's right.

939
00:50:32,013 --> 00:50:35,133
Speaker 20: They create an agency within a hundred days and that's

940
00:50:35,173 --> 00:50:37,853
Speaker 20: what happened. And it's the first time we've been listened to.

941
00:50:39,013 --> 00:50:42,893
Speaker 3: I feel it must be so gratifying to fight and

942
00:50:42,933 --> 00:50:44,813
Speaker 3: fight and fight and then see, even if it's a

943
00:50:44,893 --> 00:50:47,693
Speaker 3: tiny shred, but see a little bit of progress. So

944
00:50:47,813 --> 00:50:51,093
Speaker 3: you talked down before about the family screening in Graymouth,

945
00:50:51,413 --> 00:50:54,373
Speaker 3: but very quickly tell me about the glitzy screaming of

946
00:50:54,453 --> 00:50:55,973
Speaker 3: the last few days, because you've had a couple of

947
00:50:56,013 --> 00:50:56,653
Speaker 3: big premiers.

948
00:50:56,693 --> 00:50:59,173
Speaker 20: Now I'll just talk about the Graymouth one something. Talk

949
00:50:59,173 --> 00:51:00,053
Speaker 20: about the Auklamund.

950
00:51:00,733 --> 00:51:03,853
Speaker 3: When I think glitzy. I think Graymouth, we all do.

951
00:51:05,053 --> 00:51:08,333
Speaker 20: Graymouth had not seen a film in the big cinema

952
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:10,493
Speaker 20: there for fifteen years, believe it or not, So it

953
00:51:10,613 --> 00:51:13,973
Speaker 20: was a huge thing for Graymouth to have this movie

954
00:51:14,053 --> 00:51:17,493
Speaker 20: come to town, and they had. They went all out.

955
00:51:17,653 --> 00:51:17,813
Speaker 8: You know.

956
00:51:17,933 --> 00:51:20,493
Speaker 20: You should have seen the red carpet and the plants

957
00:51:20,533 --> 00:51:23,093
Speaker 20: and the that they decked it all out to be

958
00:51:23,373 --> 00:51:28,093
Speaker 20: something wonderful. And the community support and the community spirit.

959
00:51:28,173 --> 00:51:30,853
Speaker 20: You could feel it in the room, seeing the people

960
00:51:30,933 --> 00:51:32,773
Speaker 20: that were with us in the picket line, you know,

961
00:51:32,853 --> 00:51:37,013
Speaker 20: and occupation bringing us food. All these people you could

962
00:51:37,013 --> 00:51:38,973
Speaker 20: see them in the audience there, and I just thought,

963
00:51:39,413 --> 00:51:42,293
Speaker 20: I'm so proud to be able to bring this movie

964
00:51:42,693 --> 00:51:47,093
Speaker 20: to Graymouth for the premiere and to say thank you

965
00:51:47,373 --> 00:51:51,373
Speaker 20: because Graymouth was a community that really did support and

966
00:51:51,533 --> 00:51:56,653
Speaker 20: embrace the twenty nine families. I've felt the love the

967
00:51:56,813 --> 00:52:00,213
Speaker 20: adela in the room and that it was beautiful.

968
00:52:00,573 --> 00:52:03,453
Speaker 3: It was I don't want to give too much away,

969
00:52:03,813 --> 00:52:05,773
Speaker 3: but I think it's fair to say the film ends,

970
00:52:05,933 --> 00:52:11,013
Speaker 3: but the pe story doesn't, right, And I just wondered

971
00:52:11,093 --> 00:52:15,613
Speaker 3: if there is when you think about the progress or

972
00:52:15,733 --> 00:52:18,773
Speaker 3: lack thereof, when it comes to prosecutions relating to bike,

973
00:52:19,493 --> 00:52:23,853
Speaker 3: is there one last push that you hope this film

974
00:52:23,933 --> 00:52:26,053
Speaker 3: will give powerful people?

975
00:52:26,413 --> 00:52:32,093
Speaker 21: Absolutely, we are hoping that the powers that be that

976
00:52:32,333 --> 00:52:38,373
Speaker 21: make the important decisions will a go and see the movie,

977
00:52:40,253 --> 00:52:44,733
Speaker 21: because how can you make such important decisions about people

978
00:52:46,013 --> 00:52:49,893
Speaker 21: that you've never even met. It really irritates me that

979
00:52:51,573 --> 00:52:54,613
Speaker 21: the people who will be making the important decisions know

980
00:52:55,573 --> 00:52:58,893
Speaker 21: nothing about us, haven't met us, haven't talked to us,

981
00:52:59,413 --> 00:53:03,973
Speaker 21: heard our side of the story. So I'm hoping that

982
00:53:04,253 --> 00:53:08,573
Speaker 21: the movie will highlight whole pile of things and make

983
00:53:08,693 --> 00:53:13,853
Speaker 21: them perhaps think about what their decision might be. But

984
00:53:14,013 --> 00:53:17,173
Speaker 21: at the same time they also need to understand that

985
00:53:18,693 --> 00:53:23,213
Speaker 21: if the right decision doesn't come back, we are done yet.

986
00:53:23,373 --> 00:53:25,293
Speaker 20: We'll put on our big deal pants and we'll do

987
00:53:25,373 --> 00:53:28,493
Speaker 20: it all over again because we need justice.

988
00:53:28,253 --> 00:53:28,773
Speaker 3: For our men.

989
00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:31,973
Speaker 20: Twenty nine men don't go to work and they were killed.

990
00:53:32,013 --> 00:53:34,373
Speaker 20: They didn't die, they were killed at work. This was

991
00:53:34,413 --> 00:53:40,493
Speaker 20: a totally avoidable accident and so that's disgusting that no

992
00:53:40,573 --> 00:53:44,173
Speaker 20: one has been charged over that yet. And we need

993
00:53:44,453 --> 00:53:47,173
Speaker 20: justice for our men, for the families, for New Zealand,

994
00:53:47,293 --> 00:53:51,013
Speaker 20: for the world. Basically, so if the right decision does

995
00:53:51,133 --> 00:53:55,373
Speaker 20: not come we will start kicking up Holy hell again.

996
00:53:55,573 --> 00:53:58,373
Speaker 20: And that's a promise I make doubt.

997
00:53:58,213 --> 00:54:02,333
Speaker 3: You for a moment. Thank you for your courage and

998
00:54:02,453 --> 00:54:05,853
Speaker 3: your work and for your story and for sharing your story.

999
00:54:05,933 --> 00:54:09,613
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thank you. It's Anna Osbourne and

1000
00:54:09,733 --> 00:54:13,613
Speaker 3: Sonia Rockas. They are the inspiration for Pike River. We've

1001
00:54:13,653 --> 00:54:15,693
Speaker 3: got all the details about the film and where you

1002
00:54:15,773 --> 00:54:17,733
Speaker 3: can see it around the country up on the news tooks.

1003
00:54:17,773 --> 00:54:21,213
Speaker 3: He'd be website now before eleven o'clock. We are in

1004
00:54:21,493 --> 00:54:24,733
Speaker 3: the garden. It is that time of year when if

1005
00:54:24,773 --> 00:54:27,053
Speaker 3: you've got any kind of vines, you need to get

1006
00:54:27,213 --> 00:54:29,493
Speaker 3: on top of the passion vine hoppers. They're just such

1007
00:54:29,533 --> 00:54:34,653
Speaker 3: a punish, such a punish, basically impossible, like unless you

1008
00:54:34,773 --> 00:54:38,053
Speaker 3: napalm your entire backyard, they're almost impossible to get rid

1009
00:54:38,093 --> 00:54:40,373
Speaker 3: of them. But anyway, our man in the garden has

1010
00:54:40,413 --> 00:54:42,493
Speaker 3: some tips on trying to control them if you've got

1011
00:54:42,533 --> 00:54:44,133
Speaker 3: like a passion fruit line or something like that at

1012
00:54:44,133 --> 00:54:47,293
Speaker 3: your place. As well as that, our Textbert is here

1013
00:54:47,853 --> 00:54:50,933
Speaker 3: and some big changes are coming to chat GPT. They

1014
00:54:50,973 --> 00:54:54,813
Speaker 3: are releasing an adults only version, so yeah, we'll find

1015
00:54:54,893 --> 00:54:57,933
Speaker 3: a way to navigate that subject. Next up your screen

1016
00:54:57,973 --> 00:55:00,893
Speaker 3: time picks for this week, Three fantastic shows to recommend

1017
00:55:01,013 --> 00:55:02,733
Speaker 3: right now. It's twenty three past ten.

1018
00:55:05,253 --> 00:55:09,213
Speaker 2: Your weekend off right way Saturday Morning with Jack dam

1019
00:55:09,533 --> 00:55:10,373
Speaker 2: News talk z it B.

1020
00:55:11,293 --> 00:55:14,213
Speaker 3: Forty five past ten, which means it's bread up screen

1021
00:55:14,413 --> 00:55:17,493
Speaker 3: time Time. Tara awards our screen time experts. She's here

1022
00:55:17,573 --> 00:55:20,973
Speaker 3: with three shows for the weekend. Get I Tara, Good morning.

1023
00:55:21,213 --> 00:55:23,533
Speaker 3: Let's begin with the show on TVNZ plus. Tell us

1024
00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:24,733
Speaker 3: about the Iris Affair.

1025
00:55:25,693 --> 00:55:28,133
Speaker 22: Yeah, this is a new British thriller that's just landed

1026
00:55:28,173 --> 00:55:31,293
Speaker 22: on TVVZ plus and it's quite a wild ride. You

1027
00:55:31,373 --> 00:55:33,853
Speaker 22: sort of have to suspend belief for this one and

1028
00:55:34,013 --> 00:55:37,373
Speaker 22: just go along with what happens. This is created by

1029
00:55:37,453 --> 00:55:39,893
Speaker 22: Neil Cross who made the show Luther, and it's about

1030
00:55:39,933 --> 00:55:43,413
Speaker 22: a woman named Iris who is a maths genius, a

1031
00:55:43,573 --> 00:55:48,013
Speaker 22: very clever puzzle solver, and Iris wins this global scavenger

1032
00:55:48,093 --> 00:55:51,973
Speaker 22: hunt organized by an eccentric entrepreneur who's played by Tom Hollander,

1033
00:55:52,493 --> 00:55:54,813
Speaker 22: and the prize is that Iris gets to visit this

1034
00:55:55,053 --> 00:56:00,533
Speaker 22: underground bunker where there is this top secret, highly dangerous

1035
00:56:00,613 --> 00:56:05,733
Speaker 22: and powerful supercomputer and the entrepreneur needs Iris to crack

1036
00:56:05,773 --> 00:56:08,533
Speaker 22: a secret code that will bring the computer to life.

1037
00:56:09,213 --> 00:56:11,093
Speaker 22: And there are a few time jumps in the show,

1038
00:56:11,133 --> 00:56:13,693
Speaker 22: but Iris essentially takes off with the code and then

1039
00:56:14,173 --> 00:56:16,053
Speaker 22: it is chased in a game of hide and seek

1040
00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:19,933
Speaker 22: across Italy. This show is tense from the opening scenes.

1041
00:56:20,013 --> 00:56:22,733
Speaker 22: The start throws you right into the action and there

1042
00:56:22,813 --> 00:56:24,573
Speaker 22: are lots of moments in this where you won't know

1043
00:56:24,653 --> 00:56:27,493
Speaker 22: what's going on, but I think hanging there. The story

1044
00:56:27,573 --> 00:56:29,413
Speaker 22: is a bit like a puzzle itself. You kind of

1045
00:56:29,453 --> 00:56:32,173
Speaker 22: have to put it together. It's filmed in Italy during

1046
00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:34,813
Speaker 22: the summer and it looks incredible. It almost has a

1047
00:56:34,853 --> 00:56:36,693
Speaker 22: bit of a James Bond kind of feel to it.

1048
00:56:37,293 --> 00:56:39,693
Speaker 22: It is preposterous, but if you like a twisty kind

1049
00:56:39,733 --> 00:56:40,933
Speaker 22: of thriller, this is a lot of fun.

1050
00:56:41,093 --> 00:56:43,893
Speaker 3: Nice Okay, that's the Iris Affair. It's on TVNZ plus

1051
00:56:44,053 --> 00:56:46,693
Speaker 3: on Disney Plus. Murdoch Death in the Family.

1052
00:56:48,133 --> 00:56:51,413
Speaker 22: This is a new American true crime series about a

1053
00:56:51,653 --> 00:56:54,333
Speaker 22: very bleak set of murders that took place in South

1054
00:56:54,373 --> 00:56:57,093
Speaker 22: Carolina a few years ago, and some people might already

1055
00:56:57,173 --> 00:57:00,733
Speaker 22: be familiar with this story. Netflix did a big documentary

1056
00:57:00,813 --> 00:57:03,533
Speaker 22: series about this a few years ago, and the case

1057
00:57:03,573 --> 00:57:06,693
Speaker 22: has been in the news even quite recently. Now it's

1058
00:57:06,733 --> 00:57:10,093
Speaker 22: been turned into this eight episode dramatized mini series, and

1059
00:57:10,213 --> 00:57:12,453
Speaker 22: it's about the Murdoch family, who were one of South

1060
00:57:12,493 --> 00:57:16,653
Speaker 22: Carolina's most powerful and prominent families, and it follows what

1061
00:57:16,813 --> 00:57:18,853
Speaker 22: happened in the family and the lead up to the murders.

1062
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:21,813
Speaker 23: There's a suspicious death, there's a cover up, there's addiction,

1063
00:57:22,053 --> 00:57:24,773
Speaker 23: and there's a lot of bad behavior, and the show

1064
00:57:24,933 --> 00:57:28,413
Speaker 23: is about how power and wealth and privilege can make

1065
00:57:28,493 --> 00:57:31,093
Speaker 23: people behave in the worst possible ways.

1066
00:57:31,973 --> 00:57:34,413
Speaker 22: The performances and this are really strong. Jason Clark and

1067
00:57:34,493 --> 00:57:37,093
Speaker 22: Patricia Arquette Starr and this as the parents, and there's

1068
00:57:37,093 --> 00:57:40,493
Speaker 22: a great supporting cast as well. I think if you've

1069
00:57:40,533 --> 00:57:43,293
Speaker 22: read the book and listened to the podcast and watched

1070
00:57:43,293 --> 00:57:46,493
Speaker 22: the documentary, I don't know that this drama adds anything

1071
00:57:46,573 --> 00:57:50,013
Speaker 22: more to the story. It's largely rehashing what's already out there.

1072
00:57:50,293 --> 00:57:52,133
Speaker 22: But I think if you're coming to this series without

1073
00:57:52,213 --> 00:57:55,013
Speaker 22: knowing much about it, you'll probably find this a lot

1074
00:57:55,053 --> 00:57:59,253
Speaker 22: more compelling because it is such a shocking and outrageous story.

1075
00:57:59,413 --> 00:58:02,453
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Okay, that's Murdoch Death in the Family. It's

1076
00:58:02,533 --> 00:58:05,533
Speaker 3: on Disney Plus and on Netflix. The Diplomat.

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Speaker 22: I know you've been looking forward to this one.

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Speaker 17: Jack.

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Speaker 22: This is a new season of the very fun political

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Speaker 22: thriller And if you're looking for something smart and entertaining

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Speaker 22: and not too heavy to watch this weekend, I can

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Speaker 22: recommend this season three drop this week. It stars Kerrie

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00:58:22,293 --> 00:58:26,453
Speaker 22: Russell and she plays an American diplomat who is suddenly

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Speaker 22: appointed ambassador to the UK during an international political crisis,

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Speaker 22: and she doesn't want the job, she reluctantly takes it,

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Speaker 22: and she also has to deal with her husband, who's

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Speaker 22: played by Rufus Saul, who is a liability and who

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Speaker 22: pulling a lot of strings behind the scenes to further

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Speaker 22: his own career. And what I like about The Diplomat

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Speaker 22: is that it's a political thriller, but it's not dry

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Speaker 22: or boring. It's funny, it's well paced, the dialogue is punchy,

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Speaker 22: lots of Cliffhanger's great cast. Alison Janney is in this,

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Speaker 22: Celia and Maria's in this as well. You know, it

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Speaker 22: is over the top and probably a bit soapy, but

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Speaker 22: it doesn't take itself seriously as well, and it's having

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Speaker 22: fun without dumbing anything down. So very bungeable, and yeah,

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Speaker 22: it makes politics entertainment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it does. It does move perhaps unrealistically quickly

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Speaker 3: at times, but yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean there's amount

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Speaker 3: of dramatic license as you would expect, but yes, I

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Speaker 3: love it. I'm into it, and I'm very excited about

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Speaker 3: the new series. So that's The Diplomat. That's on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Season three, mood Off, Death and the Family is on

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Speaker 3: Disney Plus. The Iris Affair is on TVNZ Plus and

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Speaker 3: all three shows are on the News talks 'b website.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team

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Speaker 1: on News Talks edb.

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Speaker 11: Capsirser for us.

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Speaker 24: Card.

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Speaker 3: This is Oliver Arnold's a musician whose name you might

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Speaker 3: not heard of before, but you probably have heard his music.

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Speaker 3: So Oliver is a composer. He's known for that kind

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Speaker 3: of sweeping cinematic sound. He actually won a Bafter for

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Speaker 3: his soundtrack for the series broad Church, so you've probably

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Speaker 3: heard that before anyway. Oliver Arnold's, as the name might suggest,

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Speaker 3: is from Iceland and alongside his classical works, he also DJs.

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Speaker 3: Has been a drummer and a hardcore punk and metal

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Speaker 3: bands and it's just like me. He's kind of an

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Speaker 3: all rounder anyway. A lot of his works really collaborative

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Speaker 3: and he's just released a new album working alongside the

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Speaker 3: virtuoso of Irish dream pop who goes by the name

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Speaker 3: of Talos. Anyway, you and French who is the person

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Speaker 3: who goes by the name of Talos, died last year

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Speaker 3: age just thirty six. But oliver Us saw the project

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Speaker 3: through and so the album Adorning has really caught the

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Speaker 3: attention of our music reviewer. He's going to be in

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Speaker 3: a performer day. We'll play you a couple of songs

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Speaker 3: and share a bit more of that. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: your feedback, Jack. There may be they may not be

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Speaker 3: flash necessarily, but my goodness, Sonya and Anna are fighters

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Speaker 3: and not done yet. Fifteen years on is far far

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Speaker 3: too long. I'll see the film, I'll see Park River,

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Speaker 3: and I hope it makes all of New Zealand's stand

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Speaker 3: up and fight for the truth of Park River. Thanks that, Harry.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Jack.

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Speaker 3: It was a lovely interview this morning with Sonya and Anna.

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Speaker 3: Really enjoyed hearing from them. Ninety two ninety two is

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Speaker 3: our text number. If you want to send us a message,

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01:01:56,213 --> 01:01:57,813
Speaker 3: you can email me as well. Of course, Jack at

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01:01:57,853 --> 01:02:00,373
Speaker 3: News Talks, he'd be dot co dot nz what to

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Speaker 3: do with passion vine hoppers, if there's anything you can

1143
01:02:02,693 --> 01:02:04,973
Speaker 3: do at your place before eleven o'clock when we're in

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Speaker 3: the garden. Next up, though, a texpert is in for

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Speaker 3: this week.

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Speaker 1: The Headlines and the Hard Questions. It's the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 3: I can't work out a way round this.

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Speaker 17: I mean, the horse has bolted when it comes to

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Speaker 17: jurisdiction and online, hasn't it.

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Speaker 25: If you're wanting to go after the actual online provider

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01:02:23,453 --> 01:02:26,933
Speaker 25: for defamation, say, for example, a reasonable period of time

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01:02:27,213 --> 01:02:30,333
Speaker 25: after they receive notice to take down the offending content. Obviously,

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01:02:30,373 --> 01:02:33,253
Speaker 25: an platform like TikTok, Facebook, how are they going to

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Speaker 25: know what they're You know, people who are on those

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01:02:35,293 --> 01:02:37,773
Speaker 25: platforms are posting if it's true or false, right, they

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Speaker 25: need to receive notice before they can take it down.

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Speaker 25: And as you said, the horse has already bolted to

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Speaker 25: some extent because it's already been up for a period

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Speaker 25: of time and probably shared by various people.

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Speaker 6: Back Monday from six am, The Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 6: Bailey's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two two eleven Non News Talks ed b Chat

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Speaker 3: GPT is getting an adult's only mode. Why you wonder

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Speaker 3: what I suggested. It has something to do with the

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Speaker 3: fact that the company that owns chet gpt to make

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Speaker 3: a little bit of money. But our textbot, Paul stein House,

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Speaker 3: is here with all of the details, I presume Paul,

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Speaker 3: for the sake of research, you've had to download this

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Speaker 3: new version.

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Speaker 10: I don't think it's out yet because it all hinges

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Speaker 10: on verifying the factor an adult, right, And that's the

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Speaker 10: important part here. You're not alone in thinking that maybe

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Speaker 10: that's why they's starting to do this.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I use a growth is stored.

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Speaker 10: We need to show the investors things are still interesting.

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Speaker 10: I don't know that that's necessarily the case. I think

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Speaker 10: the thesis of chat GPT and open ai and what

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Speaker 10: they're trying to do is probably interesting enough, and you'll

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Speaker 10: you can kind of like connect the dots of where

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Speaker 10: it might be able to go without like factoring in

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Speaker 10: short term growth around adults only mode. But I do

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Speaker 10: think they talk about one of their principles, and one

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Speaker 10: of the principles that open ai is making.

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Speaker 3: Money is exactly that.

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Speaker 10: You know re doing for the shearholderat adults treat adult

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Speaker 10: users like adults. And I kind of like it, right,

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Speaker 10: and especially at the moment, it's difficult because you can't

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Speaker 10: prove who the adult is. You come prove who the

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Speaker 10: child is. So what they're going to do is allow

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Speaker 10: you to verify you are an adult and then that

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Speaker 10: will open up doors to treating you like an adult.

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Speaker 19: Right.

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Speaker 3: There are only one problem is that.

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Speaker 10: You do have to submit your ID to go through

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Speaker 10: the verification process. So I just don't know if you

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Speaker 10: really want to put your adults. Yeah, thoughts and feelings

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Speaker 10: right beside your ID. That to me is just like

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Speaker 10: a real look into someone's brain.

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Speaker 3: Record it on paper, digital paper that you want to go.

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Speaker 3: Very good, there's a very good point. Yeah, I wonder,

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Speaker 3: but you know what I feel like, it's the sort

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Speaker 3: of thing there I say that people are going to

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Speaker 3: be a bit squeamish about it first years to come.

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Speaker 3: It will just be standards, you know.

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Speaker 11: Well, okay.

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Speaker 10: So one of the other reasons they want to treat

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Speaker 10: adults like adults and kind of go about this freedom

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Speaker 10: is that they blocked talking about mental health on the

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Speaker 10: platform and put some real restrictions around it about what

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Speaker 10: chip ChiPT could respond and without do you want to

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Speaker 10: hear some fun facts jack about gen Z.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 10: So, a company called resume dot org surveyed one thousand

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Speaker 10: gen zs. Twenty five percent of gen Z describe AI

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Speaker 10: bots as their therapist or coach, a friend or co worker.

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Speaker 3: Per thirty four.

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Speaker 10: Percent admit to confiding in AI chatbots about things that

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Speaker 10: I've never told another person, their deepest darkest secrets. A

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Speaker 10: third of gen z sixteen percent, so they frequently discussed

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Speaker 10: personal topics such as things like mental health or relationships,

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Speaker 10: and thirty three percent say they do that occasionally. So

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Speaker 10: we're talking about basically like a third of gen Z

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Speaker 10: giving their deepest darkest secrets already.

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Speaker 3: To surprise the AI friends. Doesn't surprise me, Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't surprise me one little bit. This is a changing whirlpool. Hey,

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Speaker 3: Spotify has been found to be working on this thing

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Speaker 3: called a song DNA feature.

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Speaker 5: What is it?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so this is It hasn't been released and one

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Speaker 10: of these kind of like researchers who dives into the

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Speaker 10: code and kind of sees what they're working on in

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Speaker 10: preview versions has found it. But think of it as

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Speaker 10: the people behind the music, right, the writers, collaborators, the engineers,

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Speaker 10: the vocalists, composers, they often don't really get seen. We

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Speaker 10: always just get the name of the person who's singing

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Speaker 10: the song, right, and so this will be a way

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Speaker 10: to sort of dive in potentially and be able to

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Speaker 10: actually understand who worked on it and then discover more

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Speaker 10: of their work more easily.

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Speaker 3: It's something that titled the music service you probably no

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Speaker 3: one's ever heard about. I had Day for about a

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Speaker 3: week ahead.

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Speaker 10: Yeah exactly, there we go, because it had a really

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Speaker 10: good price when it started, and it had high fi,

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Speaker 10: high definition sound. It's still one of the only ones

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Speaker 10: that has like this really top much sound. Anyway, it's

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Speaker 10: very much more artist friendly doing this for some time.

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Speaker 10: Spotify is now kind of getting into the game. But

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Speaker 10: it is fun because if you if you have an

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Speaker 10: artist like Sair, Calvin Harris, yeah you're like I like

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Speaker 10: Calvin Harris, well, you would be able to click on

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Speaker 10: Calvin Harris and go, well, he's also written all of

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Speaker 10: these other songs for all these other pop stars, and

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Speaker 10: there are some like some of the biggest pop songs

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Speaker 10: are written by like the same three people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's going to be it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: really interesting when that.

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Speaker 10: When you can start with you know, people who kind

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Speaker 10: of aren't necessarily in the scene start to see how

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Speaker 10: the scene is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't seeing how the sausage is made a

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Speaker 3: little bit, eh.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, Yeah, you're going behind the curtain.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Paul. That's fascinating, appreciate your time. That is our texpert,

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Speaker 3: Paul Stenhouse. In a couple of minutes, our personal finance

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Speaker 3: expert is in and he's counting down the days to death.

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Speaker 3: And I know that sounds grim, but it's not really.

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Speaker 3: He's trying to get a precise number. He's got a

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Speaker 3: new tool that can help us work it out, a

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Speaker 3: good book, because of course, working out exactly how much

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Speaker 3: longer you might have left in this mortal world is

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01:08:01,653 --> 01:08:04,733
Speaker 3: absolutely vital, and getting your finances sorted to see you

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Speaker 3: through seventeen to eleven news Talks. He'd be.

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Speaker 2: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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Speaker 2: Jack Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks.

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Speaker 5: That'd be according to.

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Speaker 3: Eleven and our personal finance expert, Ebingnight from Opie's Partners

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Speaker 3: is here this morning. Hey, ed, great to be here, Jack,

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Speaker 3: Great to be speaking with you. So it turns out

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Speaker 3: there is a big difference between the wealthy and people

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Speaker 3: like me probably more than one one difference. But the

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Speaker 3: difference you want to focus on this morning is that

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01:08:38,773 --> 01:08:43,293
Speaker 3: wealthy people think about money in terms of decades, whereas

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Speaker 3: a lot of people think of money in much shorter terms. Well,

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Speaker 3: that's exactly right.

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Speaker 26: If you're financially stressed, you tend to have to think

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Speaker 26: about your money in days. You know, you're thinking about

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01:08:55,933 --> 01:08:57,613
Speaker 26: how do I pay my bills this week? How do

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Speaker 26: I get through to the next payday? And that's when

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Speaker 26: you're in survival mode. Now, if you're a little bit

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01:09:01,973 --> 01:09:04,093
Speaker 26: better off, you might think about your money in terms

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Speaker 26: of months. You know, how do I, say for the

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01:09:05,733 --> 01:09:08,173
Speaker 26: next holiday, or you know, maybe I can save up

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Speaker 26: enough money to buy a different car at the start

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Speaker 26: of next year. Well, if that's you, you might be

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Speaker 26: thinking about your money in terms of months, and in

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01:09:14,813 --> 01:09:16,973
Speaker 26: that case, you're in what I call the comfort zone.

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Speaker 26: But it does turn out that really wealthy people do

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01:09:20,093 --> 01:09:23,733
Speaker 26: tend to think about their money in decades, and you're

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01:09:23,773 --> 01:09:25,653
Speaker 26: thinking about, well, how can I build some wealth for

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01:09:25,733 --> 01:09:27,693
Speaker 26: the next two to four decades. And if you're in

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Speaker 26: that mindset, you're really in what I call the wealth mode.

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01:09:31,733 --> 01:09:33,573
Speaker 26: But just before I talk about how do you go

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01:09:33,693 --> 01:09:37,213
Speaker 26: about changing your mindset? Because it's easy to talk about

1305
01:09:37,253 --> 01:09:39,493
Speaker 26: that in theory, but what do you actually do to

1306
01:09:39,573 --> 01:09:42,893
Speaker 26: change your mindset? Why is it that we all know

1307
01:09:43,053 --> 01:09:46,253
Speaker 26: we really should invest more, but we don't do it. Well,

1308
01:09:46,973 --> 01:09:49,213
Speaker 26: there's a nerdy term that I'll teach you today, Deck.

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01:09:49,453 --> 01:09:53,533
Speaker 26: It's called temporal discounting. Now, forget the technical term. What

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01:09:53,653 --> 01:09:58,653
Speaker 26: that really means is our brains love stuff now, and

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01:09:58,813 --> 01:10:01,773
Speaker 26: we don't really value stuff that we might get in

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Speaker 26: the future. So if you've got one hundred bucks, you

1313
01:10:04,773 --> 01:10:07,693
Speaker 26: love to spend it now, you don't really value as

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Speaker 26: much what that money could turn into in the future.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 26: If you go out and spend money on your credit

1317
01:10:15,253 --> 01:10:17,293
Speaker 26: card because it doesn't feel like money is leaving your

1318
01:10:17,333 --> 01:10:19,853
Speaker 26: account now, you don't really value the fact that you

1319
01:10:19,973 --> 01:10:21,973
Speaker 26: might have to pay interest on that in the future.

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01:10:22,413 --> 01:10:25,413
Speaker 26: So our brains are really wired to now now now,

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01:10:25,853 --> 01:10:29,253
Speaker 26: getting stuff now, rather than putting money aside and getting

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01:10:29,333 --> 01:10:30,973
Speaker 26: even more stuff in the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I did. There's a calculator on your website

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01:10:34,453 --> 01:10:36,693
Speaker 3: which is really good. So I worked out my kind

1325
01:10:36,733 --> 01:10:39,453
Speaker 3: of life expectancy given my age and gender and that

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01:10:39,533 --> 01:10:39,853
Speaker 3: kind of thing.

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Speaker 5: At the moment.

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Speaker 3: So there's a fifty percent chance, according to your calculator,

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Speaker 3: that I'll live to eighty nine, which means that I

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01:10:45,493 --> 01:10:47,533
Speaker 3: really do need to try and get past what is

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01:10:47,813 --> 01:10:50,773
Speaker 3: the temporal disconnect and think about the future.

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Speaker 26: This is the interesting thing. Now, to a person with

1333
01:10:55,013 --> 01:10:57,893
Speaker 26: a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. I'm an economist,

1334
01:10:57,933 --> 01:11:00,333
Speaker 26: so I think every problem can be fixed with a calculator.

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01:11:00,693 --> 01:11:04,493
Speaker 26: So if people google the how long will I live calculator,

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01:11:04,533 --> 01:11:06,253
Speaker 26: and you might need to put in put an open

1337
01:11:06,453 --> 01:11:09,053
Speaker 26: my company opes and this will come up. You put

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01:11:09,093 --> 01:11:11,573
Speaker 26: in your age, your gender, when you started working, when

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01:11:11,573 --> 01:11:13,653
Speaker 26: you get to retire, and it gives you a kind

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01:11:13,693 --> 01:11:16,253
Speaker 26: of this is your life. So if you're a forty

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01:11:16,293 --> 01:11:19,533
Speaker 26: five year old woman, you started working at the age

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01:11:19,573 --> 01:11:22,253
Speaker 26: of twenty, and you want to retire at sixty five, well,

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01:11:22,533 --> 01:11:25,653
Speaker 26: you've been working so far for twenty five years. You've

1344
01:11:25,693 --> 01:11:28,173
Speaker 26: got twenty years left in your work life, and you've

1345
01:11:28,213 --> 01:11:31,413
Speaker 26: got to use the next twenty years to set yourself

1346
01:11:31,573 --> 01:11:35,533
Speaker 26: up and pay for the twenty six year retirement that

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01:11:35,733 --> 01:11:38,613
Speaker 26: you're going to eventually have, because you've got a pretty

1348
01:11:38,653 --> 01:11:40,973
Speaker 26: decent chance of living till ninety one, and so just

1349
01:11:41,093 --> 01:11:43,093
Speaker 26: running your numbers Like this gives you a bit of

1350
01:11:43,173 --> 01:11:45,053
Speaker 26: this is your life and SHOWSI there is simply what

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01:11:45,173 --> 01:11:47,173
Speaker 26: your life looks like in decades and that can help

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01:11:47,293 --> 01:11:48,093
Speaker 26: change your mindset.

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Speaker 3: Yeah so good. Hey, thank you very much, Ed. And

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01:11:50,733 --> 01:11:53,173
Speaker 3: like you say, you can access that how long will

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01:11:53,213 --> 01:11:56,693
Speaker 3: you live calculator on the op's website. We'll wake So

1356
01:11:56,813 --> 01:11:58,053
Speaker 3: there's a link on the news that was your b

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01:11:58,173 --> 01:11:59,653
Speaker 3: website as well. Catch your own need.

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01:12:00,653 --> 01:12:04,533
Speaker 1: Jack gardling with steel Sharp's battery system kits get a

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01:12:04,613 --> 01:12:06,173
Speaker 1: second battery half price.

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01:12:06,533 --> 01:12:09,533
Speaker 3: Nine minutes to eleven. On News Talks, he'd be rude.

1361
01:12:09,533 --> 01:12:11,453
Speaker 3: Climb past is our men in the garden at this

1362
01:12:11,533 --> 01:12:13,213
Speaker 3: time every Saturday morning? High rude?

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Speaker 17: Hello Jack? Are you aware it's going to be chaos

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01:12:18,133 --> 01:12:19,293
Speaker 17: gardening next week?

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01:12:19,653 --> 01:12:20,213
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

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01:12:22,293 --> 01:12:22,893
Speaker 5: What does that mean?

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01:12:23,173 --> 01:12:25,653
Speaker 3: Every week is house gardening at our place road? You've

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01:12:25,653 --> 01:12:26,213
Speaker 3: seen our place.

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01:12:27,773 --> 01:12:30,253
Speaker 17: I knew you, I knew you. They have something to

1370
01:12:30,293 --> 01:12:30,893
Speaker 17: say about that.

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01:12:32,173 --> 01:12:33,213
Speaker 5: Yates do this every year.

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Speaker 17: They've got gardening week and this this this year it's

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01:12:37,133 --> 01:12:44,573
Speaker 17: chaos gardening. The wild trend taking route. You know what

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01:12:44,693 --> 01:12:47,373
Speaker 17: that means if you don't throw your lawn and you

1375
01:12:47,573 --> 01:12:51,333
Speaker 17: just you know, but that's that's exactly where it came from.

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01:12:51,653 --> 01:12:53,093
Speaker 3: You know, they tried to do it down the road

1377
01:12:53,453 --> 01:12:54,973
Speaker 3: from us. They had a park down the road where

1378
01:12:55,013 --> 01:12:57,173
Speaker 3: they tried to do it, and they're trying to rewild

1379
01:12:57,253 --> 01:12:58,533
Speaker 3: all of the thing. And then there was a bit

1380
01:12:58,573 --> 01:13:01,173
Speaker 3: of an incident because there was a there was a

1381
01:13:01,253 --> 01:13:06,173
Speaker 3: miscommunication with the council, and so a well meaning contractor came.

1382
01:13:06,973 --> 01:13:08,973
Speaker 3: Having let this grass grow for like, I don't know,

1383
01:13:09,173 --> 01:13:11,253
Speaker 3: a year or something, it was really long, but this

1384
01:13:11,413 --> 01:13:15,493
Speaker 3: well meaning contractor cav along, fired up as his moa

1385
01:13:15,813 --> 01:13:21,333
Speaker 3: and swiftly took to the previously wilding area and mowed

1386
01:13:21,373 --> 01:13:24,133
Speaker 3: it down to size. Yeah, it was a bit of

1387
01:13:24,173 --> 01:13:27,253
Speaker 3: a bit of a local The local Facebook pages were

1388
01:13:27,293 --> 01:13:28,653
Speaker 3: going wild over it. So there you go.

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01:13:29,733 --> 01:13:32,293
Speaker 17: I'm going to tell I'm going to tell you look

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01:13:32,333 --> 01:13:33,973
Speaker 17: out for these guys with these things.

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01:13:34,053 --> 01:13:34,413
Speaker 5: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: There So, passion vine hoppits. These have been the bane

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01:13:38,733 --> 01:13:41,053
Speaker 3: of my life. They've been a major problem in my place,

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01:13:41,173 --> 01:13:44,093
Speaker 3: and I think they are one of the central reasons

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01:13:44,293 --> 01:13:48,293
Speaker 3: that I haven't yet managed to make passion fruit work

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01:13:48,333 --> 01:13:50,533
Speaker 3: at my place. It could also be where I've been

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01:13:50,573 --> 01:13:52,173
Speaker 3: growing up. I've been going into a place that gets

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01:13:52,253 --> 01:13:53,973
Speaker 3: a fair amount of sun not all day sun. I

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01:13:53,973 --> 01:13:55,573
Speaker 3: know you're supposed to have all day sun, but I

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01:13:55,853 --> 01:13:57,453
Speaker 3: gets a fair amount of sun and hot sun. It

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01:13:57,453 --> 01:14:00,013
Speaker 3: gets middle of the day sun. And yet I've now

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01:14:00,093 --> 01:14:03,493
Speaker 3: had three passion fruit plants that have died, and I

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01:14:03,613 --> 01:14:06,253
Speaker 3: blamed the vine hoppers. Yeah, you know they could be

1404
01:14:06,933 --> 01:14:08,813
Speaker 3: little at the best of times. You know your passion

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01:14:08,813 --> 01:14:09,133
Speaker 3: for you.

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01:14:09,173 --> 01:14:12,093
Speaker 17: Know that because we've talked about this before, I've done

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01:14:12,213 --> 01:14:15,293
Speaker 17: I've tried this now for the last fifteen years, Jack

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01:14:15,693 --> 01:14:19,373
Speaker 17: and I have the very first plump actually surviving and going.

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01:14:19,813 --> 01:14:22,053
Speaker 17: So I'm not gonna I'm not going to say too

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01:14:22,133 --> 01:14:24,293
Speaker 17: much at this stage. You'll hear legs on I suppose,

1411
01:14:24,413 --> 01:14:28,773
Speaker 17: but it's finally working for me and no, thank you,

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01:14:28,973 --> 01:14:31,173
Speaker 17: I mean, honestly, you and me, baby, you know we got.

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01:14:31,213 --> 01:14:32,093
Speaker 5: To do this well.

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01:14:32,253 --> 01:14:34,173
Speaker 3: You've got more stickability here than I do. I just

1415
01:14:34,453 --> 01:14:36,973
Speaker 3: I got so because I was literally going out there

1416
01:14:37,013 --> 01:14:39,173
Speaker 3: every day with the eight year old, because you can

1417
01:14:39,253 --> 01:14:41,573
Speaker 3: see the passion for it grows so quickly. Usually that

1418
01:14:41,653 --> 01:14:43,133
Speaker 3: I would go out there every day and we would

1419
01:14:43,173 --> 01:14:45,373
Speaker 3: plot its progress, and then you just got a bit

1420
01:14:45,413 --> 01:14:48,093
Speaker 3: increasing being like, oh no, here come the vine hoppers.

1421
01:14:48,133 --> 01:14:50,853
Speaker 3: On here it is. It's gone again, where's my sister

1422
01:14:51,413 --> 01:14:55,253
Speaker 3: and Nelson? I mean she's They sort of accidentally grow

1423
01:14:55,333 --> 01:14:57,453
Speaker 3: passion fruit, you know, like the passion for it grows

1424
01:14:57,493 --> 01:14:59,933
Speaker 3: and the cracks and the and the driveway and then

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01:14:59,973 --> 01:15:02,653
Speaker 3: it's groaning with fruit. I just think this isn't fair.

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01:15:03,733 --> 01:15:06,533
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's it anyway, and the passion vine hopper. Now,

1427
01:15:06,573 --> 01:15:09,573
Speaker 17: but you're absolutely right. We're talking about a couple of

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01:15:09,653 --> 01:15:12,293
Speaker 17: things that are quite important now because the passion vine

1429
01:15:12,333 --> 01:15:15,133
Speaker 17: opera is the big one, especially in the north. Although

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01:15:15,693 --> 01:15:18,453
Speaker 17: I found out that my neighbors up the road have

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01:15:18,573 --> 01:15:21,733
Speaker 17: got them now here. This blanking thing is going south

1432
01:15:21,813 --> 01:15:23,813
Speaker 17: as much as it likes at the moment. So it's

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01:15:23,813 --> 01:15:26,773
Speaker 17: another one anyway, very quickly for those who are listening.

1434
01:15:26,893 --> 01:15:29,013
Speaker 17: It's all on the website anyway, where there's quite a

1435
01:15:29,053 --> 01:15:31,653
Speaker 17: bit of info. But now's the time to look for

1436
01:15:31,813 --> 01:15:34,973
Speaker 17: those little nymphs of those passion vine operas which are

1437
01:15:35,093 --> 01:15:37,973
Speaker 17: coming out of their eggs now. And if you've got

1438
01:15:37,973 --> 01:15:42,333
Speaker 17: a little bit of good safe works material if you like,

1439
01:15:43,053 --> 01:15:47,893
Speaker 17: or sprays, spray them on a wind still day now

1440
01:15:48,053 --> 01:15:50,533
Speaker 17: in the morning and you will actually get them. This

1441
01:15:50,693 --> 01:15:53,893
Speaker 17: is important. And the second one is sludes and snails

1442
01:15:53,893 --> 01:15:57,253
Speaker 17: are coming up weed control will expose them to predators,

1443
01:15:57,333 --> 01:15:59,733
Speaker 17: the thrushes. So that's one of the ways to go. Oh,

1444
01:15:59,813 --> 01:16:03,533
Speaker 17: you have baked pellets in a puzzle. It's all described

1445
01:16:03,533 --> 01:16:06,533
Speaker 17: and you see the photos again on the website. And

1446
01:16:06,733 --> 01:16:10,773
Speaker 17: that's the second one. But here's another one. Co rabbit beetles,

1447
01:16:10,893 --> 01:16:13,813
Speaker 17: big beetles that we have in New Zealand. They eat

1448
01:16:13,893 --> 01:16:17,693
Speaker 17: slugs and small snails. So I always leave them going

1449
01:16:18,053 --> 01:16:22,093
Speaker 17: that's what they need to do, right, Yeah, they do.

1450
01:16:22,533 --> 01:16:25,933
Speaker 17: They're native once and they eat those things. And and

1451
01:16:26,013 --> 01:16:28,253
Speaker 17: then of course the other alternative is, of course with

1452
01:16:28,373 --> 01:16:32,493
Speaker 17: the the snails, is that you do realize you can

1453
01:16:32,533 --> 01:16:35,053
Speaker 17: eat those because this is the French esca go that

1454
01:16:35,173 --> 01:16:36,093
Speaker 17: we have in New Zealand.

1455
01:16:36,453 --> 01:16:40,173
Speaker 3: You realize that the species of snyl is exactly the same,

1456
01:16:40,293 --> 01:16:40,413
Speaker 3: is it?

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01:16:41,613 --> 01:16:44,653
Speaker 17: Yes, we imported that from Europe and they and the

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01:16:44,773 --> 01:16:48,733
Speaker 17: French imported it from northern from what was it.

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01:16:50,093 --> 01:16:51,413
Speaker 3: We imported snails?

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01:16:52,533 --> 01:16:54,853
Speaker 17: No we didn't. That was by excellent You came here

1461
01:16:54,933 --> 01:16:58,733
Speaker 17: with the gear that everybody that had pots with plants

1462
01:16:58,813 --> 01:17:01,453
Speaker 17: they went to New Zealand in the eighteen hundreds took.

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01:17:04,693 --> 01:17:06,933
Speaker 3: Miss just a deliberately and produce them.

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01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:10,853
Speaker 17: Sure, yeah, there was no Ministry of Anger infreciates in

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01:17:10,933 --> 01:17:16,853
Speaker 17: this so there was no quarantine. And the third thing

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01:17:16,893 --> 01:17:18,773
Speaker 17: I've gone on the list is for you is mites.

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01:17:19,413 --> 01:17:19,693
Speaker 5: Mites.

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01:17:19,733 --> 01:17:22,253
Speaker 17: Two spotted spider mites are really becoming a pain in

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01:17:22,333 --> 01:17:25,173
Speaker 17: the bump. From now on the very fine silk webbing.

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01:17:25,493 --> 01:17:29,213
Speaker 17: You'll find him. From now on mineral oils, fatty acid

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01:17:29,613 --> 01:17:33,333
Speaker 17: and nan oil. And it's again all on your wonderful website.

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01:17:33,413 --> 01:17:34,213
Speaker 17: Thanks to Libby.

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01:17:34,893 --> 01:17:37,813
Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, really appreciate it. Wroud Climb passed in

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01:17:37,893 --> 01:17:39,973
Speaker 3: the garden for us this morning after eleven o'clock on

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01:17:40,053 --> 01:17:43,253
Speaker 3: News Talks. He'd be our travel correspondent is continuing his

1476
01:17:43,453 --> 01:17:46,613
Speaker 3: Indian odyssey this morning. His top tips on visiting Agra

1477
01:17:46,773 --> 01:17:50,293
Speaker 3: and the taj Mahal. Really looking forward to that. It's

1478
01:17:50,293 --> 01:17:52,973
Speaker 3: almost eleven o'clock though, News is next, Yeah, with Jack Tame.

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01:17:53,013 --> 01:17:55,453
Speaker 3: It is Saturday morning, and this is News Talks.

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01:17:55,493 --> 01:17:55,773
Speaker 1: He'd be.

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01:17:58,133 --> 01:18:01,933
Speaker 2: Saturday morning with Jack Tam keeping the conversation, going through

1482
01:18:02,013 --> 01:18:03,333
Speaker 2: the weekend news talks.

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01:18:03,373 --> 01:18:03,653
Speaker 1: It'd be.

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01:18:28,813 --> 01:18:31,453
Speaker 3: Good morning. If you're just turning us on this morning,

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01:18:31,493 --> 01:18:33,253
Speaker 3: it is so good to have you with us. Finally,

1486
01:18:33,733 --> 01:18:36,133
Speaker 3: Jack Taying with you on News Talks. He'd be through

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01:18:36,213 --> 01:18:39,333
Speaker 3: to mid Day. I reckon the Prince Andrew thing. I've

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01:18:39,373 --> 01:18:41,133
Speaker 3: been wrecking my brain. I reckon it might be the

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01:18:41,213 --> 01:18:46,733
Speaker 3: single biggest fall from grace of the modern age, like globally,

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01:18:47,173 --> 01:18:49,333
Speaker 3: I mean, Harvey Weinstein. I supposes up there as well

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01:18:49,373 --> 01:18:51,853
Speaker 3: there did. Look, there will be a few contenders. There

1492
01:18:51,933 --> 01:18:55,213
Speaker 3: be a few contenders. If you haven't heard the news

1493
01:18:55,253 --> 01:18:57,733
Speaker 3: this morning, he is giving up his royal title, so

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01:18:57,813 --> 01:18:59,613
Speaker 3: he will no longer be the Duke of York. But

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01:19:00,253 --> 01:19:02,733
Speaker 3: I mean, it is hardly the greatest surprise in the world,

1496
01:19:02,773 --> 01:19:05,173
Speaker 3: isn't He's been been seen in public for years now.

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01:19:06,493 --> 01:19:10,373
Speaker 3: Obviously continues to deny all allegations, But my goodness, it

1498
01:19:10,493 --> 01:19:12,693
Speaker 3: is really hard to think of a fall from grace

1499
01:19:13,413 --> 01:19:16,973
Speaker 3: of that scale and of that prominence anywhere. Now before

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Speaker 3: Midday on News Talks ed B, we'll tell you about

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Speaker 3: the latest book from PHILIPA. Gregory. She writes these amazing

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01:19:22,933 --> 01:19:26,653
Speaker 3: historical fiction novels, and she's got a brand new book,

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Speaker 3: The Ball and Traitor, that we will tell you about

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01:19:29,373 --> 01:19:31,773
Speaker 3: as well as that. Our travel correspondent is going to

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01:19:31,813 --> 01:19:34,333
Speaker 3: be here. He is on a bit of an Indian odyssey,

1506
01:19:34,533 --> 01:19:37,693
Speaker 3: and this morning he's focusing on Agra and the taj Mahal,

1507
01:19:37,933 --> 01:19:40,733
Speaker 3: part of the famous Golden Triangle in India. He'll have

1508
01:19:40,773 --> 01:19:43,773
Speaker 3: his top tips for visiting Agra and the taj Mahal

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01:19:43,893 --> 01:19:47,733
Speaker 3: very shortly. Right now, it's eight minutes past eleven, Jack

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01:19:47,853 --> 01:19:52,213
Speaker 3: Team and greenwashing is the subject of focus for our

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01:19:52,253 --> 01:19:56,533
Speaker 3: sustainability expert this week. Kate Hall is here, Kiolder, Kate,

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01:19:57,053 --> 01:20:00,093
Speaker 3: what you know you see it every time you walk

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01:20:00,173 --> 01:20:03,093
Speaker 3: through the supermarket aisles. In fact, you should see it,

1514
01:20:03,253 --> 01:20:06,893
Speaker 3: but I reckon, I'm so bombarded by these days of

1515
01:20:07,013 --> 01:20:09,573
Speaker 3: actually stopped seeing which is a problem. I'm talking about

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01:20:09,693 --> 01:20:14,333
Speaker 3: green washing, those little labels on various products that make

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01:20:14,413 --> 01:20:18,013
Speaker 3: you think that they're sustainable or eco friendly, but actually

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01:20:18,333 --> 01:20:22,493
Speaker 3: they're not. So how often do you see green washing examples?

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Speaker 27: Ka, Well, I think these days it's everywhere. I would say, like,

1520
01:20:26,733 --> 01:20:30,973
Speaker 27: it's rare you'd find product without some sort of kind

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01:20:31,013 --> 01:20:33,613
Speaker 27: of green marketing manipulation.

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01:20:33,973 --> 01:20:34,573
Speaker 5: Yeah, and.

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01:20:36,253 --> 01:20:39,453
Speaker 27: Yeah, it's really it's a huge problem because it's creating

1524
01:20:39,453 --> 01:20:43,053
Speaker 27: a hold of distrust around the brands that are actually legitimate.

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01:20:43,293 --> 01:20:43,493
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:20:44,053 --> 01:20:46,893
Speaker 27: People just you know, brands are throwing a green turtle

1527
01:20:47,013 --> 01:20:50,613
Speaker 27: here and you know, a dolphin symbol or packaging there

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01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:52,293
Speaker 27: their products and the color green.

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01:20:52,613 --> 01:20:54,733
Speaker 3: You know, the only the only relationship they have to

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01:20:54,773 --> 01:20:57,093
Speaker 3: the green turtle is actually their packaging has been wrapped

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01:20:57,093 --> 01:20:58,813
Speaker 3: around a sea turtle or two.

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01:20:59,533 --> 01:20:59,733
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:20:59,813 --> 01:21:02,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like how do you define it? How Am I

1534
01:21:02,893 --> 01:21:06,093
Speaker 3: right in thinking it's kind of labels or imagery that

1535
01:21:06,653 --> 01:21:10,453
Speaker 3: purports to suggest something is eco friendly when it's not.

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01:21:11,533 --> 01:21:13,853
Speaker 27: Yes, yes, and no, there's a there's that, but there's

1537
01:21:13,933 --> 01:21:18,293
Speaker 27: also the I mean, sometimes those labels may be true, right,

1538
01:21:18,693 --> 01:21:21,613
Speaker 27: and they may be doing some good stuff. But I

1539
01:21:21,733 --> 01:21:26,333
Speaker 27: define greenwashing as when a company spends more energy and

1540
01:21:26,453 --> 01:21:30,653
Speaker 27: resources and money on saying that they're doing green stuff

1541
01:21:31,173 --> 01:21:32,173
Speaker 27: than actually doing it.

1542
01:21:32,733 --> 01:21:33,613
Speaker 3: That's a good definition.

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01:21:33,893 --> 01:21:36,813
Speaker 27: Yeah, there's a difference between you know, there may be

1544
01:21:37,213 --> 01:21:40,133
Speaker 27: like like MN of ten, they do some awesome green

1545
01:21:40,253 --> 01:21:43,773
Speaker 27: sustainable stuff. They're not perfect, but they do some awesome stuff.

1546
01:21:43,773 --> 01:21:46,853
Speaker 27: So there's a difference between greenwashing and just trying your

1547
01:21:46,893 --> 01:21:48,653
Speaker 27: best and trying to make change, do you know what

1548
01:21:48,693 --> 01:21:48,893
Speaker 27: I mean?

1549
01:21:48,973 --> 01:21:49,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the.

1550
01:21:51,013 --> 01:21:54,173
Speaker 27: Kind of fooling you into think that they are perfect.

1551
01:21:54,533 --> 01:21:57,613
Speaker 27: That's that's a green washing activity.

1552
01:21:57,813 --> 01:22:01,253
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Okay, that's that's a very good distinction, I think,

1553
01:22:01,293 --> 01:22:05,133
Speaker 3: because because you also don't want to come down too

1554
01:22:05,213 --> 01:22:07,533
Speaker 3: hard on companies that trying to do the right thing,

1555
01:22:07,933 --> 01:22:10,613
Speaker 3: showing off that they're doing the right thing understandably, but

1556
01:22:10,813 --> 01:22:13,413
Speaker 3: also you know, you know, it's a it's a balance,

1557
01:22:13,693 --> 01:22:14,253
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying.

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01:22:15,093 --> 01:22:19,133
Speaker 27: It's a misleading element. Yeah, it's like you know the

1559
01:22:19,333 --> 01:22:22,013
Speaker 27: different terms that people that you see on brands that

1560
01:22:22,093 --> 01:22:28,093
Speaker 27: says certified no yeah, yeah, yeah, what you know, or

1561
01:22:28,173 --> 01:22:31,693
Speaker 27: like organic and they just throw out like natural. Any

1562
01:22:31,773 --> 01:22:33,773
Speaker 27: brand can use those terms and put it on.

1563
01:22:33,813 --> 01:22:39,373
Speaker 3: Their marketing, so including organic. That's why anyway, that's wild

1564
01:22:39,413 --> 01:22:41,293
Speaker 3: that there's not a standard for organic that you can

1565
01:22:41,373 --> 01:22:44,693
Speaker 3: just check it on. Yeah, like your your your organic

1566
01:22:46,373 --> 01:22:50,173
Speaker 3: like lollies and your organic soft drinks and all that

1567
01:22:50,333 --> 01:22:53,013
Speaker 3: kind of thing. It's nuts. What like what other things

1568
01:22:53,053 --> 01:22:55,013
Speaker 3: do you sometimes notice? I mean eco would be one

1569
01:22:55,053 --> 01:22:55,773
Speaker 3: that you see all the time.

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01:22:56,013 --> 01:22:59,893
Speaker 27: Yes, eco is everywhere. And sustainable, I mean that's really

1571
01:22:59,973 --> 01:23:02,493
Speaker 27: over you these days, which is hard because you know,

1572
01:23:02,653 --> 01:23:06,573
Speaker 27: I love that word, but yeah, it's just you know,

1573
01:23:06,653 --> 01:23:10,213
Speaker 27: what does sustainable mean? You know when you put it

1574
01:23:10,333 --> 01:23:13,413
Speaker 27: on a piece of food and in the supermarket, and

1575
01:23:13,533 --> 01:23:17,293
Speaker 27: I think just the color green is really really overused.

1576
01:23:17,813 --> 01:23:21,813
Speaker 27: If you walk through the supermarket or go to Knas

1577
01:23:22,013 --> 01:23:25,253
Speaker 27: or something, the color green. I think it's really playing

1578
01:23:25,373 --> 01:23:28,573
Speaker 27: to our kind of green that's environmentally friendly, you know,

1579
01:23:28,653 --> 01:23:32,533
Speaker 27: even if it's unconscious of us. Yeah, we want to

1580
01:23:32,613 --> 01:23:35,253
Speaker 27: do the right thing, but greenwashing is playing on the

1581
01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:38,493
Speaker 27: consumer's drive to do the right thing. You know, at

1582
01:23:38,533 --> 01:23:40,173
Speaker 27: the end of the day, we would all love to

1583
01:23:40,653 --> 01:23:45,213
Speaker 27: support the planet, I'm sure, but yeah, there's just so

1584
01:23:46,013 --> 01:23:49,733
Speaker 27: so much Greene's a green flood, green washing flood.

1585
01:23:49,933 --> 01:23:54,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon. I'm at the stage now where I

1586
01:23:54,373 --> 01:23:57,293
Speaker 3: honestly don't notice it, and I think that is a problem,

1587
01:23:57,653 --> 01:23:59,773
Speaker 3: and that I've just come to expect it so much

1588
01:23:59,893 --> 01:24:01,973
Speaker 3: that it kind of just washes over me and maybe

1589
01:24:02,053 --> 01:24:05,253
Speaker 3: subconsciously I think, oh, yeah, this product, you know, better

1590
01:24:05,373 --> 01:24:09,053
Speaker 3: for the world than actually is. So how how do

1591
01:24:09,133 --> 01:24:11,053
Speaker 3: we spot it? How do we stay attuned to it,

1592
01:24:11,133 --> 01:24:12,333
Speaker 3: and how do we respond.

1593
01:24:13,093 --> 01:24:16,133
Speaker 27: So we spot it by if something sounds too good

1594
01:24:16,173 --> 01:24:19,293
Speaker 27: to be true, you're probably right. So when a brand

1595
01:24:19,373 --> 01:24:22,293
Speaker 27: says one hundred percent eco, one hundred percent sustainable, or

1596
01:24:22,573 --> 01:24:24,413
Speaker 27: it is just kind of one of those generic terms,

1597
01:24:24,773 --> 01:24:28,733
Speaker 27: we asked more questions, so that can actually be you know,

1598
01:24:28,853 --> 01:24:31,133
Speaker 27: using the word organic can be kind of like a

1599
01:24:31,293 --> 01:24:34,413
Speaker 27: distraction from all the other parts of the products that

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01:24:35,333 --> 01:24:39,333
Speaker 27: aren't sustainable, So looking at what are the terms that

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01:24:39,453 --> 01:24:43,413
Speaker 27: they've claimed and how can they support it because there

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01:24:43,453 --> 01:24:48,493
Speaker 27: are organic certifications, you know, proper third party certifications, So

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01:24:48,973 --> 01:24:52,893
Speaker 27: looking at how that brand can support their claims, and

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01:24:53,133 --> 01:24:55,293
Speaker 27: that can be by just reading more into the label

1605
01:24:55,573 --> 01:24:59,333
Speaker 27: or maybe sending them a message on social media. Off

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01:24:59,413 --> 01:25:01,413
Speaker 27: the brands check that these days, and you as a

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01:25:01,493 --> 01:25:05,373
Speaker 27: customer deserved to know, and you have the capabilities of

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01:25:05,453 --> 01:25:10,373
Speaker 27: asking that question, So emailing them just like looking into

1609
01:25:11,133 --> 01:25:13,813
Speaker 27: those kinds and saying, Okay, hey, I really love the

1610
01:25:13,853 --> 01:25:16,293
Speaker 27: sound of your product. You said it sustainable. Can you

1611
01:25:16,373 --> 01:25:19,093
Speaker 27: tell me more what you mean by sustainable? I asked

1612
01:25:19,173 --> 01:25:21,933
Speaker 27: questions also, like how how can you trust that the

1613
01:25:22,013 --> 01:25:25,053
Speaker 27: people who made your products were paid fairly? And they

1614
01:25:25,093 --> 01:25:31,013
Speaker 27: say ethically made. Well, ye, but it's something different to

1615
01:25:31,613 --> 01:25:34,573
Speaker 27: someone else. And a brand may come back and often

1616
01:25:34,653 --> 01:25:36,973
Speaker 27: they say, well, we you know, we adhere to all

1617
01:25:37,013 --> 01:25:39,133
Speaker 27: the minimum wage laws. And I'm like, cool, okay, so

1618
01:25:39,253 --> 01:25:42,853
Speaker 27: you're legal, so you're legally paying people.

1619
01:25:43,413 --> 01:25:48,973
Speaker 7: You know, yeah, you're not paying them a living wage.

1620
01:25:49,373 --> 01:25:50,133
Speaker 3: So yeah.

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01:25:50,253 --> 01:25:53,533
Speaker 27: Just I think we as consumers get quite passive and

1622
01:25:53,733 --> 01:25:57,133
Speaker 27: don't understand we can ask these questions and I know

1623
01:25:57,213 --> 01:25:58,973
Speaker 27: that's time consuming. You won't be able to do it

1624
01:25:59,053 --> 01:26:02,053
Speaker 27: for all products, but maybe just picking one thing that

1625
01:26:02,853 --> 01:26:05,213
Speaker 27: you know you need and need to get out of

1626
01:26:05,253 --> 01:26:09,493
Speaker 27: the shops and look, that's kind of the packaging, the labels,

1627
01:26:09,653 --> 01:26:12,533
Speaker 27: what that company is claiming. And if it feels I

1628
01:26:12,653 --> 01:26:16,373
Speaker 27: fe and wrong, probably your instincts are probably right, and

1629
01:26:16,533 --> 01:26:17,533
Speaker 27: just ask more questions.

1630
01:26:17,653 --> 01:26:19,853
Speaker 3: That's there. That's a really good point. If only there

1631
01:26:19,893 --> 01:26:23,333
Speaker 3: were just a really simple labeling system. Imagine if there

1632
01:26:23,373 --> 01:26:25,893
Speaker 3: was like a universal system. I know we were like, right,

1633
01:26:25,973 --> 01:26:28,453
Speaker 3: every product gets ranked and the you know, think about

1634
01:26:28,453 --> 01:26:30,933
Speaker 3: how we do car safety and you know you've got

1635
01:26:30,973 --> 01:26:33,573
Speaker 3: your five star and cap safety rating and that kind

1636
01:26:33,573 --> 01:26:35,453
Speaker 3: of thing. But imagine if you had that for products

1637
01:26:35,493 --> 01:26:38,253
Speaker 3: where it was like right, this is like yes you

1638
01:26:38,333 --> 01:26:41,373
Speaker 3: are organic, or yes you are paying a living wage

1639
01:26:41,453 --> 01:26:42,893
Speaker 3: or whatever. You know, there could be a variety of

1640
01:26:43,013 --> 01:26:45,493
Speaker 3: metrics by which you get you got scored, make things

1641
01:26:45,533 --> 01:26:46,133
Speaker 3: so much easier.

1642
01:26:47,053 --> 01:26:48,053
Speaker 27: There is Bee Corp.

1643
01:26:48,573 --> 01:26:50,853
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, of course, and you see products that

1644
01:26:50,893 --> 01:26:51,973
Speaker 3: say we're certified Bee Corp.

1645
01:26:52,213 --> 01:26:54,893
Speaker 27: Yeah, but even then be Corp has become quite washy

1646
01:26:55,053 --> 01:27:00,373
Speaker 27: washy and brands like mess So I've gone through so yeah,

1647
01:27:00,453 --> 01:27:04,173
Speaker 27: we need a really strong labeling system that everyone knows about.

1648
01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:06,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, thank you so much. Really appre it Kate.

1649
01:27:06,853 --> 01:27:09,653
Speaker 3: You can find Kate on social media. Just search ethically Kate.

1650
01:27:09,933 --> 01:27:13,893
Speaker 3: She will pop right up. Thanks for your feedback. I've

1651
01:27:13,973 --> 01:27:15,693
Speaker 3: just had a little note here from Muz who's been

1652
01:27:15,733 --> 01:27:18,053
Speaker 3: thinking about the biggest force from Grace O. J. Simpson.

1653
01:27:18,093 --> 01:27:22,573
Speaker 3: He says, Yeah, that's a big one. So it's a

1654
01:27:22,613 --> 01:27:25,653
Speaker 3: confetition no one really wants to win, but OJ's up there.

1655
01:27:25,733 --> 01:27:28,813
Speaker 3: He also suggests Lance Armstrong. I reckon Lance Armstrong not

1656
01:27:28,933 --> 01:27:32,373
Speaker 3: so much. Although it was an almighty fall from Grace,

1657
01:27:32,893 --> 01:27:37,333
Speaker 3: he's kind of managed to rebuild enough of his reputation

1658
01:27:37,453 --> 01:27:38,893
Speaker 3: that he's still a very public figure.

1659
01:27:39,093 --> 01:27:39,253
Speaker 4: Right.

1660
01:27:39,653 --> 01:27:44,173
Speaker 3: I think Ojy's on another level all together, and that

1661
01:27:44,293 --> 01:27:47,853
Speaker 3: the former Duke of York, Prince Andrew's on another level

1662
01:27:47,853 --> 01:27:49,573
Speaker 3: all together. So it turns out that the kind of

1663
01:27:49,653 --> 01:27:52,133
Speaker 3: final straw that broke the camel's back, if you like,

1664
01:27:52,693 --> 01:27:55,893
Speaker 3: when it comes to Prince Andrew giving up his royal titles,

1665
01:27:56,453 --> 01:27:59,053
Speaker 3: is this email from twenty eleven that has been discovered now.

1666
01:27:59,453 --> 01:28:02,853
Speaker 3: And the email was sent from him to Jeffrey Epstein

1667
01:28:02,933 --> 01:28:05,973
Speaker 3: once Jeffrey Epstein was in prison, right, so he'd been convicted.

1668
01:28:06,053 --> 01:28:09,133
Speaker 3: He was in prison at the stage and Prince Andrews

1669
01:28:09,133 --> 01:28:11,533
Speaker 3: sent him an email in which he says, quote, we're

1670
01:28:11,573 --> 01:28:14,093
Speaker 3: in this together, and that's the kind of that That

1671
01:28:14,213 --> 01:28:16,213
Speaker 3: turned out to be the straw that's broken. The camel's

1672
01:28:16,253 --> 01:28:18,493
Speaker 3: back on that front anyway, If you've got any other

1673
01:28:19,653 --> 01:28:22,453
Speaker 3: suggestions for the first Modern Force from Grace on all

1674
01:28:22,493 --> 01:28:24,973
Speaker 3: their seventeen past eleven on news Storks, but our travel

1675
01:28:25,013 --> 01:28:28,053
Speaker 3: correspondence and next travel.

1676
01:28:27,853 --> 01:28:31,213
Speaker 2: With Windy Woo Tours where the world is yours for now.

1677
01:28:31,693 --> 01:28:34,453
Speaker 3: Our travel correspondent is Mike Yardley, but he doesn't just

1678
01:28:34,533 --> 01:28:40,293
Speaker 3: love travel, he loves Christmas. And Mike, my goodness, I've

1679
01:28:40,373 --> 01:28:42,453
Speaker 3: just seen a photograph of your lound room and the

1680
01:28:42,613 --> 01:28:44,973
Speaker 3: tree is well and truly up.

1681
01:28:46,413 --> 01:28:47,373
Speaker 5: Twin twinkle.

1682
01:28:48,893 --> 01:28:52,453
Speaker 3: It looks amazing. Levy and I are very impressed, like

1683
01:28:52,693 --> 01:28:55,093
Speaker 3: really impressed. And what a lounge room you've got. You've

1684
01:28:55,093 --> 01:28:58,693
Speaker 3: got the presidential seal in the so your lowndroom almost

1685
01:28:58,693 --> 01:29:00,653
Speaker 3: looks like a New Zealand version of the of the

1686
01:29:00,733 --> 01:29:03,093
Speaker 3: Oval Office, but with a giant tree in it.

1687
01:29:04,093 --> 01:29:06,293
Speaker 18: I am a bit of an American, a tragic along

1688
01:29:06,493 --> 01:29:09,333
Speaker 18: with being a Christmas tragic. Jack so yes, I spotted

1689
01:29:09,373 --> 01:29:11,853
Speaker 18: these presidential floor rings. I thought I need one of those,

1690
01:29:12,213 --> 01:29:13,293
Speaker 18: and it's actually quite cool.

1691
01:29:13,533 --> 01:29:17,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. So so, in terms of Christmas, do

1692
01:29:18,093 --> 01:29:20,653
Speaker 3: you have an exact date every year when you put

1693
01:29:20,733 --> 01:29:21,533
Speaker 3: up your decorations.

1694
01:29:22,413 --> 01:29:25,053
Speaker 18: Well, actually I did what I did last year, and

1695
01:29:25,693 --> 01:29:29,653
Speaker 18: being election day last Saturday, I thought, oh, I feel

1696
01:29:29,733 --> 01:29:32,133
Speaker 18: nervous for the candidates and I had to do an erection,

1697
01:29:32,493 --> 01:29:35,013
Speaker 18: so I started with the tree. Yeah, and now I've

1698
01:29:35,053 --> 01:29:37,573
Speaker 18: got about ten days more of titillation to do.

1699
01:29:37,933 --> 01:29:40,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, goodness, I'm glad you love it so much. I

1700
01:29:40,613 --> 01:29:43,813
Speaker 3: mean this time next week will be two months and Christmas,

1701
01:29:43,893 --> 01:29:45,973
Speaker 3: So there you go. Crazy, We're going to race up

1702
01:29:45,973 --> 01:29:48,533
Speaker 3: on all of us. Anyway, this morning we are focusing

1703
01:29:48,613 --> 01:29:51,693
Speaker 3: on Agra and the taj Mahal, part of the Golden

1704
01:29:51,813 --> 01:29:55,853
Speaker 3: Triangle in India. And would you consider Agar a pretty city?

1705
01:29:58,293 --> 01:30:00,653
Speaker 18: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Jack, but

1706
01:30:02,373 --> 01:30:06,973
Speaker 18: still strikes me as rough ready an absolute ramshack of

1707
01:30:07,093 --> 01:30:10,533
Speaker 18: a city. The thing, though, is it makes time at

1708
01:30:10,613 --> 01:30:14,133
Speaker 18: the tars all the more spell binding because you think,

1709
01:30:14,573 --> 01:30:17,813
Speaker 18: how can such an ugly city have such a masterpiece.

1710
01:30:18,453 --> 01:30:21,253
Speaker 18: But as you drive out of New Delhi, you do

1711
01:30:21,453 --> 01:30:25,213
Speaker 18: notice a real slippitch in the standard of living on

1712
01:30:25,333 --> 01:30:29,213
Speaker 18: the approach to Agra, and also a collapse in driving behavior.

1713
01:30:29,573 --> 01:30:32,653
Speaker 18: My driver said to me, whenever I come close to Agra,

1714
01:30:32,973 --> 01:30:36,293
Speaker 18: there are three golden rules when it comes to driving

1715
01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:42,453
Speaker 18: in India. You need a good set of brakes, you

1716
01:30:42,693 --> 01:30:45,133
Speaker 18: need a very good horn, and you need a lot

1717
01:30:45,173 --> 01:30:47,653
Speaker 18: of good luck. And I think that's very true about Agra.

1718
01:30:48,093 --> 01:30:50,893
Speaker 18: The other thing is they've got so many crumbling buildings.

1719
01:30:51,013 --> 01:30:55,693
Speaker 18: We passed this derelict building downtown Agra that has been abandoned,

1720
01:30:55,813 --> 01:30:59,053
Speaker 18: and the locals call it the monkey house because the

1721
01:30:59,093 --> 01:31:02,293
Speaker 18: building has been taken over by a master tribe of

1722
01:31:02,533 --> 01:31:06,733
Speaker 18: two hundred reesius muckacks. So when they venture are out

1723
01:31:06,773 --> 01:31:09,773
Speaker 18: to find a bit of food, they cause total traffic

1724
01:31:09,853 --> 01:31:11,613
Speaker 18: mayhem on the adjoining road.

1725
01:31:11,733 --> 01:31:13,013
Speaker 5: Agra is a zoo.

1726
01:31:13,253 --> 01:31:17,253
Speaker 3: Yeah amazing, It's a yeah yeah in every sense I suppose.

1727
01:31:17,813 --> 01:31:21,413
Speaker 3: And apart from being home to a world icon, why

1728
01:31:21,493 --> 01:31:24,173
Speaker 3: would you recommend anyone jaunt to Agra fort?

1729
01:31:25,853 --> 01:31:31,453
Speaker 18: Yeah, This mighty red sandstone fortress is a marvel. So

1730
01:31:31,533 --> 01:31:35,453
Speaker 18: it overlooks the Yamuna River and it was established by

1731
01:31:35,573 --> 01:31:40,013
Speaker 18: the Mogul emperor Akba, who was Genghis Khan's great grandson.

1732
01:31:40,133 --> 01:31:41,413
Speaker 5: Which I think is so amazing.

1733
01:31:42,413 --> 01:31:45,413
Speaker 18: But the complex is such a delight to explore because

1734
01:31:45,933 --> 01:31:49,493
Speaker 18: it just gives you a really good sense of the

1735
01:31:49,813 --> 01:31:54,133
Speaker 18: architectural grandeur of the Mogul Rain. It's that fusion of

1736
01:31:54,693 --> 01:31:59,493
Speaker 18: Persian and Indian design, just the most amazing blend. And

1737
01:31:59,933 --> 01:32:03,453
Speaker 18: there are some really cool highlights, like stepping inside the prison,

1738
01:32:03,533 --> 01:32:07,693
Speaker 18: which is this gilded cage, which is where Shah Jahan

1739
01:32:08,013 --> 01:32:10,973
Speaker 18: of Taj fame spent the last eight years of his

1740
01:32:11,093 --> 01:32:13,253
Speaker 18: life because he was booted off the throne by his

1741
01:32:13,533 --> 01:32:18,293
Speaker 18: Ruh the treacherous Sun. But amazingly, that prison window offers

1742
01:32:18,373 --> 01:32:20,933
Speaker 18: one of the best views of the Taj Mahal, so

1743
01:32:21,053 --> 01:32:23,853
Speaker 18: at least Shah Jahan, you know, spend the last eight

1744
01:32:23,933 --> 01:32:26,773
Speaker 18: years of his life marveling over his masterpiece.

1745
01:32:26,933 --> 01:32:29,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, when's the best time to admire the Taj.

1746
01:32:30,253 --> 01:32:32,773
Speaker 18: Yeah, good question, because a lot of the site seeing

1747
01:32:32,853 --> 01:32:36,413
Speaker 18: tours and agra finish off at the Taj for sunset.

1748
01:32:37,013 --> 01:32:40,093
Speaker 18: But you know, in a place like Argra, you spend

1749
01:32:40,133 --> 01:32:43,053
Speaker 18: all day out there feeling hot, sticky, and by the

1750
01:32:43,133 --> 01:32:46,373
Speaker 18: time you get to the Taj for sunset, your dog tired.

1751
01:32:46,853 --> 01:32:51,093
Speaker 18: That's my experience from fourteen years ago. This time a

1752
01:32:51,173 --> 01:32:54,533
Speaker 18: couple of weeks ago with Wendy Woo Tours. We did

1753
01:32:54,613 --> 01:32:58,333
Speaker 18: it at sunrise, and man, I don't think I've ever

1754
01:32:58,413 --> 01:33:01,693
Speaker 18: felt so rewarded for setting the alarm clock so early.

1755
01:33:02,333 --> 01:33:06,013
Speaker 18: There were only about fifty people on site jack when

1756
01:33:06,093 --> 01:33:08,973
Speaker 18: I arrived at the taj Mahal. So to have that

1757
01:33:09,253 --> 01:33:14,453
Speaker 18: lack of crowd, lack of heat, no queueing to take

1758
01:33:14,493 --> 01:33:19,013
Speaker 18: a season Dyane's famous marble bench that is just priceless.

1759
01:33:19,133 --> 01:33:22,093
Speaker 18: So I cannot recommend sunrise enough.

1760
01:33:22,293 --> 01:33:24,453
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I did when I went to the Taj.

1761
01:33:24,573 --> 01:33:26,613
Speaker 3: I got up really early, got up at alpast four

1762
01:33:26,773 --> 01:33:28,853
Speaker 3: or five am, and was one of the very first

1763
01:33:28,853 --> 01:33:30,853
Speaker 3: people through the gate, and I just remember he was

1764
01:33:30,973 --> 01:33:32,813
Speaker 3: such a good decision. It was one of those places

1765
01:33:32,813 --> 01:33:36,053
Speaker 3: I always thought that, you know, you travel sometimes and

1766
01:33:36,093 --> 01:33:38,093
Speaker 3: places don't don't quite live up to the hype. But

1767
01:33:38,253 --> 01:33:40,093
Speaker 3: my experience, at least going there in the morning, was

1768
01:33:40,133 --> 01:33:42,053
Speaker 3: that it very much did. And how many people you

1769
01:33:42,173 --> 01:33:42,533
Speaker 3: built it?

1770
01:33:43,933 --> 01:33:47,733
Speaker 18: Twenty thousand laborers, but more impressibly a thousand elephants.

1771
01:33:48,053 --> 01:33:51,773
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's slugging away for eight years.

1772
01:33:51,853 --> 01:33:52,093
Speaker 14: I know.

1773
01:33:53,133 --> 01:33:55,973
Speaker 18: They did bring in some specialists from Europe to produce

1774
01:33:56,173 --> 01:33:58,733
Speaker 18: the marble screens and a lot of the inlay work.

1775
01:33:59,253 --> 01:34:02,653
Speaker 18: But like you sort of discover in the wake of

1776
01:34:02,693 --> 01:34:06,773
Speaker 18: the British around the place, the British soldiers actually looted

1777
01:34:06,973 --> 01:34:09,813
Speaker 18: a lot of the gold and the precious stones from

1778
01:34:09,853 --> 01:34:14,173
Speaker 18: the Taj Mahal during the British Rajh. So many ingenious

1779
01:34:14,293 --> 01:34:17,453
Speaker 18: touches to its design, though, Jack Is, I'm sure you

1780
01:34:17,613 --> 01:34:20,653
Speaker 18: appreciate it. I love how those four ornamental men aurets

1781
01:34:20,653 --> 01:34:24,093
Speaker 18: around the main building, they're all subtly tilted away so

1782
01:34:24,253 --> 01:34:26,653
Speaker 18: that in the event of a major quake they won't

1783
01:34:26,813 --> 01:34:29,293
Speaker 18: fall on the main building. And I love how the

1784
01:34:29,693 --> 01:34:34,973
Speaker 18: taj was purposefully positioned to point north so that it's

1785
01:34:35,173 --> 01:34:38,453
Speaker 18: bathed in maximum sunlight from dawn to dusk, which just

1786
01:34:38,693 --> 01:34:43,293
Speaker 18: heightens that creamy luster of the marble and nothing detracts

1787
01:34:43,333 --> 01:34:47,053
Speaker 18: in the background. Ye, that's so ethereal, isn't it, Because

1788
01:34:47,133 --> 01:34:50,973
Speaker 18: that backdrop is only sky because it was built on

1789
01:34:51,053 --> 01:34:54,693
Speaker 18: that raised platform. That really was a master stroke and design.

1790
01:34:54,893 --> 01:34:57,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is gorgeous. It's just an incredible building. Like

1791
01:34:57,573 --> 01:35:01,093
Speaker 3: you said that, that kind of mogul architecture is something else. Say,

1792
01:35:01,373 --> 01:35:03,573
Speaker 3: you know, one thing I remember from my time at

1793
01:35:03,573 --> 01:35:05,693
Speaker 3: the Tarjan. It was a long time ago, fifteen years ago,

1794
01:35:05,733 --> 01:35:09,893
Speaker 3: but I remember going up to the building itself and

1795
01:35:10,053 --> 01:35:14,493
Speaker 3: seeing that someone had tagged it. Someone. Yeah, someone had

1796
01:35:14,573 --> 01:35:16,653
Speaker 3: with a vivid. I've got photos of it. Someone had

1797
01:35:16,733 --> 01:35:19,053
Speaker 3: like like tagged the TAJ file.

1798
01:35:19,333 --> 01:35:19,653
Speaker 5: I was like.

1799
01:35:23,213 --> 01:35:25,733
Speaker 3: This, don't bring a vivid to the targ, Like, are

1800
01:35:25,773 --> 01:35:28,373
Speaker 3: you serious. I'm sure they've cleaned up, but yeah, I

1801
01:35:28,453 --> 01:35:30,333
Speaker 3: just remember It's one of those things that's always stuck

1802
01:35:30,373 --> 01:35:31,933
Speaker 3: with me. You know that you can go anywhere in

1803
01:35:31,933 --> 01:35:33,893
Speaker 3: the world there's still going to be someone being a

1804
01:35:33,973 --> 01:35:35,373
Speaker 3: total you know what.

1805
01:35:37,013 --> 01:35:39,613
Speaker 18: That is worse than that is worse than urinating on

1806
01:35:39,733 --> 01:35:42,173
Speaker 18: the altar of Saint Peter's Basilica, which are good.

1807
01:35:42,173 --> 01:35:43,973
Speaker 3: A few days ages I saw that, Yes, I mean

1808
01:35:44,013 --> 01:35:47,093
Speaker 3: both of them are up there, aren't they disrespectful things

1809
01:35:47,093 --> 01:35:49,333
Speaker 3: to do? But anyway, is the air pollution still a

1810
01:35:49,333 --> 01:35:51,133
Speaker 3: big problem and an a threat to the taj.

1811
01:35:51,813 --> 01:35:54,413
Speaker 18: Yeah, it seems to be this constant worry they have.

1812
01:35:54,693 --> 01:35:59,053
Speaker 18: And I noticed that they have increased the perimeter area

1813
01:35:59,173 --> 01:36:03,653
Speaker 18: around the targ from cars and also they have forced

1814
01:36:04,133 --> 01:36:07,773
Speaker 18: the closure of a lot of factories proximity to the monument.

1815
01:36:07,893 --> 01:36:11,533
Speaker 18: So yeah, it's a constant prep I was intrigued by

1816
01:36:11,853 --> 01:36:16,253
Speaker 18: that ancient face pack recipe. They used to spruit it

1817
01:36:16,373 --> 01:36:18,013
Speaker 18: up from time to time. I think they call it

1818
01:36:18,373 --> 01:36:22,333
Speaker 18: Moltani meaty. So it's this blend of soil and cereal

1819
01:36:22,453 --> 01:36:26,173
Speaker 18: and milk and lime. Supposedly it beautifies the skin. It

1820
01:36:26,213 --> 01:36:27,733
Speaker 18: seems to work on the tars, so I might have

1821
01:36:27,813 --> 01:36:28,693
Speaker 18: to give it a go myself.

1822
01:36:28,853 --> 01:36:29,373
Speaker 5: Yeah. Nice.

1823
01:36:29,613 --> 01:36:32,773
Speaker 3: What about local eats and agra. It's pretty meaty, isn't it.

1824
01:36:33,813 --> 01:36:36,973
Speaker 18: Yeah, they're very proud of all things Mogul and agra.

1825
01:36:37,133 --> 01:36:42,533
Speaker 18: So a rich, meaty aromatic cuisine awaits. If you're partial

1826
01:36:42,613 --> 01:36:45,773
Speaker 18: to a really good calmer or rogan josh, you will

1827
01:36:45,813 --> 01:36:49,133
Speaker 18: be right at home. Think creamy, rich graviies and lots

1828
01:36:49,173 --> 01:36:53,933
Speaker 18: of spices and almonds and cashews and yogurt. I actually

1829
01:36:54,093 --> 01:37:00,413
Speaker 18: became quite partial to this ancient Mogul Empire dessert called

1830
01:37:00,653 --> 01:37:03,413
Speaker 18: Shahi tukta, and I reckon you could make this at home.

1831
01:37:03,733 --> 01:37:06,853
Speaker 18: Shahi Tukta means royal bread, so sort of like a

1832
01:37:06,933 --> 01:37:11,693
Speaker 18: bread pudding, and it's Chris fried bread slices soaked and

1833
01:37:11,813 --> 01:37:15,013
Speaker 18: sugar syrup, and then they top it with this creamy

1834
01:37:15,093 --> 01:37:18,573
Speaker 18: blend of milk and cornflower spices, and thats. It's really

1835
01:37:18,693 --> 01:37:21,293
Speaker 18: delicious and actually I noticed a lot of people were

1836
01:37:21,333 --> 01:37:22,413
Speaker 18: eating it for breakfast.

1837
01:37:22,773 --> 01:37:25,053
Speaker 3: Yeah it does that sounds good. I'm into there.

1838
01:37:25,133 --> 01:37:28,133
Speaker 18: So what's it called again, Shahi Tukta.

1839
01:37:28,053 --> 01:37:33,213
Speaker 3: Shah he tukta. Yeah, okay, it sounds great, sounds really good.

1840
01:37:33,253 --> 01:37:36,173
Speaker 3: Thank you. So you you've got one more little segment

1841
01:37:36,253 --> 01:37:37,613
Speaker 3: right where we're going to discuss India.

1842
01:37:38,453 --> 01:37:40,653
Speaker 18: We'll do a bit of Rajasthan and a bit of

1843
01:37:40,733 --> 01:37:41,173
Speaker 18: New Jeli.

1844
01:37:41,373 --> 01:37:45,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, thank you so much, Mike. It does sound amazing.

1845
01:37:45,173 --> 01:37:47,733
Speaker 3: It makes me yearn for India. So I really appreciate that.

1846
01:37:47,933 --> 01:37:50,693
Speaker 3: All of Mike's tips for visiting Aga and the taj Mahal.

1847
01:37:51,173 --> 01:37:53,013
Speaker 3: We'll be up on the news talk he'd be website

1848
01:37:53,053 --> 01:37:56,533
Speaker 3: before midday. We've got this new music from this Icelandic musician,

1849
01:37:56,613 --> 01:38:00,053
Speaker 3: the guy who wrote the score for broad Church. His

1850
01:38:00,213 --> 01:38:05,613
Speaker 3: name is all on Oliver Arnaut. It sounds easy when

1851
01:38:05,613 --> 01:38:07,853
Speaker 3: I say that, I said, it's like an Icelandic version

1852
01:38:07,893 --> 01:38:10,133
Speaker 3: of Oliver, and then his last name is like an

1853
01:38:10,413 --> 01:38:15,013
Speaker 3: Islandic version of Arnold, Oliver Arnold and Talos. So anyway,

1854
01:38:15,093 --> 01:38:17,293
Speaker 3: the music's really interesting. It kind of blends all sorts

1855
01:38:17,293 --> 01:38:22,013
Speaker 3: of different genres and it's quite rich in melodic and sweeping,

1856
01:38:22,173 --> 01:38:24,213
Speaker 3: so it will play you by the that before midday,

1857
01:38:24,453 --> 01:38:26,333
Speaker 3: I have your book picks for the week as well.

1858
01:38:26,533 --> 01:38:27,893
Speaker 3: Right now this is gone eleven.

1859
01:38:27,653 --> 01:38:37,733
Speaker 1: Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with jack

1860
01:38:37,813 --> 01:38:39,733
Speaker 1: Team on News talks 'b.

1861
01:38:58,333 --> 01:39:02,173
Speaker 3: News Talks. He'd be twenty seven minutes to twelve after midday.

1862
01:39:02,493 --> 01:39:05,053
Speaker 3: Jason Pine is with us with Weekend Sport and it

1863
01:39:05,213 --> 01:39:09,693
Speaker 3: is what thirteen years since Jamie Joseph last coach a

1864
01:39:09,853 --> 01:39:13,333
Speaker 3: New Zealand national team. He is now heading up the

1865
01:39:13,773 --> 01:39:17,133
Speaker 3: New Zealand or All Blacks fifteen on the November Northern

1866
01:39:17,173 --> 01:39:19,573
Speaker 3: Hemisphere tour and he's on the show this afternoon Parney.

1867
01:39:19,813 --> 01:39:21,933
Speaker 24: Indeed, Jackie, I'm just quite interested to know what he

1868
01:39:22,253 --> 01:39:24,253
Speaker 24: sort of perceives the role of the team to be,

1869
01:39:24,453 --> 01:39:26,933
Speaker 24: because clearly it's a New Zealand team and whether you

1870
01:39:27,013 --> 01:39:28,413
Speaker 24: agree or not with the fact that it's called the

1871
01:39:28,453 --> 01:39:31,493
Speaker 24: All Blacks fifteen, they do wear the black jersey. But

1872
01:39:32,293 --> 01:39:34,133
Speaker 24: I think a big part of it is just being

1873
01:39:34,253 --> 01:39:37,213
Speaker 24: there in case of injury for the All Black side

1874
01:39:37,213 --> 01:39:39,253
Speaker 24: who are up in the Northern Hemisphere at the same time.

1875
01:39:39,333 --> 01:39:42,293
Speaker 24: But also I guess to allow players to drop down

1876
01:39:42,373 --> 01:39:44,853
Speaker 24: into his side to get some game minutes. There might

1877
01:39:44,893 --> 01:39:47,893
Speaker 24: be guys that the All Blacks you know, can't utilize

1878
01:39:47,973 --> 01:39:49,933
Speaker 24: fully during the All Blacks tour, and they might say,

1879
01:39:49,933 --> 01:39:51,413
Speaker 24: how we need such and such to get a bit

1880
01:39:51,413 --> 01:39:53,893
Speaker 24: a game time. Jamie will drop them into your side.

1881
01:39:53,973 --> 01:39:56,733
Speaker 24: Can you give this bloke eighty minutes or whatever? It

1882
01:39:56,853 --> 01:40:00,173
Speaker 24: might be, so an interesting little dynamic for Jamie Joseph. Also,

1883
01:40:00,253 --> 01:40:03,133
Speaker 24: he must be loving what's happening in Otago Rugby right now.

1884
01:40:03,533 --> 01:40:04,093
Speaker 5: So good?

1885
01:40:04,613 --> 01:40:06,853
Speaker 3: How good are they? It was amazing last and like

1886
01:40:07,053 --> 01:40:10,573
Speaker 3: just much more emphatic than I think I'd been anticipating.

1887
01:40:10,613 --> 01:40:12,293
Speaker 3: But I was just I was saying in the show

1888
01:40:12,373 --> 01:40:14,653
Speaker 3: how much I've enjoyed the MPC this year, and especially

1889
01:40:14,693 --> 01:40:16,533
Speaker 3: seeing the likes of Hawks Bay and Bay have Pleany

1890
01:40:16,613 --> 01:40:20,733
Speaker 3: doing well in the Semis and Badan promise so much

1891
01:40:20,813 --> 01:40:22,973
Speaker 3: and then thinks they haven't ended up quite as they

1892
01:40:23,013 --> 01:40:25,253
Speaker 3: might have hoped in the at the business end of

1893
01:40:25,293 --> 01:40:26,973
Speaker 3: the season over the last couple of years. But it's

1894
01:40:27,013 --> 01:40:28,333
Speaker 3: fantastic to see, isn't it.

1895
01:40:28,693 --> 01:40:31,893
Speaker 24: Oh, I absolutely love the MPC. And look, you know

1896
01:40:32,213 --> 01:40:33,773
Speaker 24: it can be used as a bit of a punching bag.

1897
01:40:33,853 --> 01:40:35,693
Speaker 24: But when you look at games like last night under

1898
01:40:35,693 --> 01:40:37,973
Speaker 24: the roof thereant and even ten thousand turning up making

1899
01:40:38,053 --> 01:40:40,093
Speaker 24: really a heck of a noise. Yeah, it's just say

1900
01:40:40,253 --> 01:40:43,573
Speaker 24: Otago playing this thrilling brand brand of rugby. I'm not

1901
01:40:43,653 --> 01:40:45,813
Speaker 24: sure that many people would have had them in the conversation,

1902
01:40:46,373 --> 01:40:48,893
Speaker 24: you know, a couple of three months ago as in

1903
01:40:49,013 --> 01:40:51,493
Speaker 24: PC finalists and here we are and I think you know,

1904
01:40:51,613 --> 01:40:54,933
Speaker 24: everybody outside of christ Church probably is hoping Hawks Bay

1905
01:40:54,933 --> 01:40:56,813
Speaker 24: win tonight so we can get back to Duneeda.

1906
01:40:56,573 --> 01:40:57,493
Speaker 3: For the final next week.

1907
01:40:57,533 --> 01:40:59,973
Speaker 24: But you know, I know the Red and Blacks left

1908
01:40:59,973 --> 01:41:02,373
Speaker 24: something to say about that, but it's been really compelling.

1909
01:41:02,453 --> 01:41:05,373
Speaker 24: Dylan Pledger incidentally on the show this afternoon, this young

1910
01:41:05,493 --> 01:41:08,933
Speaker 24: gun halfback who has just been taking the NBC by storm,

1911
01:41:08,933 --> 01:41:10,693
Speaker 24: So would be interested to get inside his head and

1912
01:41:10,773 --> 01:41:12,413
Speaker 24: inside the Otago camp this afternoon.

1913
01:41:12,413 --> 01:41:13,773
Speaker 3: You're going to take a look at the Silver Ferns

1914
01:41:13,813 --> 01:41:15,493
Speaker 3: performance last night in the Constellation Cup.

1915
01:41:15,853 --> 01:41:18,893
Speaker 24: Yeah, the fourth quarter was disappointing, wasn't it? Only behind

1916
01:41:18,933 --> 01:41:21,413
Speaker 24: by four at three quarter time and then twenty four

1917
01:41:21,533 --> 01:41:24,173
Speaker 24: eleven they were outscored in the fourth quarter. What went

1918
01:41:24,253 --> 01:41:28,653
Speaker 24: on there? We'll get the lowdown from coach Yvette McCausland.

1919
01:41:28,773 --> 01:41:31,693
Speaker 24: Jury just want to also headline something we're doing tomorrow

1920
01:41:31,773 --> 01:41:36,453
Speaker 24: after midday Jack lou Vincent will join us after midday tomorrow.

1921
01:41:36,773 --> 01:41:39,613
Speaker 24: We all know the story of lou Vincent, magnificent cricketer

1922
01:41:39,973 --> 01:41:43,213
Speaker 24: drawn into match fixing band for life, had that band

1923
01:41:43,293 --> 01:41:45,973
Speaker 24: relaxed slightly a couple of years ago, on the road

1924
01:41:46,053 --> 01:41:48,653
Speaker 24: back to redemption now and doing work to help others

1925
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Speaker 24: not fall into the same trap that he did. So yeah,

1926
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Speaker 24: lou Vince are looking forward to an extended chat with

1927
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Speaker 24: him after the midday News tomorrow.

1928
01:41:54,933 --> 01:41:57,533
Speaker 3: That'd be great. He's been thinking about lou Vincent. He's

1929
01:41:57,573 --> 01:42:01,853
Speaker 3: really like he's obviously owned what he did, but also

1930
01:42:02,013 --> 01:42:05,493
Speaker 3: just he's made himself vulnerable, right, Like he's really been

1931
01:42:05,533 --> 01:42:07,413
Speaker 3: willing to kind of face up to the consequences but

1932
01:42:07,533 --> 01:42:10,933
Speaker 3: also look to rebuild and to contribute in a positive way.

1933
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Speaker 3: And I think it's his a lot about the man

1934
01:42:13,133 --> 01:42:13,413
Speaker 3: it does.

1935
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Speaker 24: Yeah, he showed complete contrition and I think that was

1936
01:42:16,213 --> 01:42:18,693
Speaker 24: a big part of how why his life band was

1937
01:42:18,733 --> 01:42:21,493
Speaker 24: relaxed and he's now set out to help others, like

1938
01:42:21,573 --> 01:42:23,813
Speaker 24: I say, not fall into the same trap. He addressed

1939
01:42:24,253 --> 01:42:27,253
Speaker 24: a Victorian police conference earlier this week to talk about

1940
01:42:27,333 --> 01:42:31,253
Speaker 24: you know, the integrity and you know the threats to

1941
01:42:31,373 --> 01:42:34,573
Speaker 24: it and high level sports. So yeah, keen to chat Toluvin.

1942
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Speaker 5: So you for it.

1943
01:42:35,253 --> 01:42:37,173
Speaker 24: Also, he got one hundred on Test Day bill against

1944
01:42:37,213 --> 01:42:40,933
Speaker 24: Brett Lee cricketer, Shane warning he was an amazing cricketer.

1945
01:42:41,173 --> 01:42:45,173
Speaker 24: He was an absolutely brilliant bat. And yeah, look so yeah,

1946
01:42:45,333 --> 01:42:47,653
Speaker 24: like I say, luvinsent tomorrow after midday, if people can

1947
01:42:48,293 --> 01:42:49,293
Speaker 24: make time to have a.

1948
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Speaker 3: Listener time, I'm really looking forward to that. Thank you,

1949
01:42:51,213 --> 01:42:53,293
Speaker 3: sir Jason Shane with us for a weekend sport right

1950
01:42:53,373 --> 01:42:55,453
Speaker 3: after the midday news on News talk to you being

1951
01:42:55,493 --> 01:42:57,573
Speaker 3: back tomorrow course with Luvins and so that'd be great.

1952
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Speaker 3: Twenty three to twelve.

1953
01:42:59,773 --> 01:43:03,973
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

1954
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Speaker 1: powered by News Talks.

1955
01:43:05,333 --> 01:43:08,453
Speaker 3: That'd be twitter to twelve on News Talks. He'd be

1956
01:43:08,533 --> 01:43:10,373
Speaker 3: If you've just finished up a book, you're looking for

1957
01:43:10,453 --> 01:43:13,893
Speaker 3: something new, maybe you got a significant birthday around the corner,

1958
01:43:14,653 --> 01:43:18,293
Speaker 3: stuck on ideas or recommendations. Katyin Rains is our book reviewer.

1959
01:43:18,413 --> 01:43:21,493
Speaker 3: She's got two cracking reads for us this week. Good morning, Catherine,

1960
01:43:21,853 --> 01:43:24,933
Speaker 3: good morning. Right, let's start with Philippa Gregory's latest book,

1961
01:43:24,973 --> 01:43:26,533
Speaker 3: tell Us about Bolin Traitor.

1962
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Speaker 28: So Philip had Gregory writes some of the best historical

1963
01:43:30,693 --> 01:43:33,573
Speaker 28: novels and in this she'll lure back into the world

1964
01:43:33,613 --> 01:43:36,413
Speaker 28: of Tudor, England, which she's visited before. But this is

1965
01:43:36,493 --> 01:43:39,373
Speaker 28: from the perspective of Jane, Lady Rochford, wife of George

1966
01:43:39,373 --> 01:43:42,373
Speaker 28: Bollin and sister in law of Anne, and she was

1967
01:43:42,413 --> 01:43:45,053
Speaker 28: a lady in waiting to five of the six wives

1968
01:43:45,093 --> 01:43:47,693
Speaker 28: of Henry Yates. So she's a really interesting view of

1969
01:43:47,813 --> 01:43:50,533
Speaker 28: the court. And she was an informer and a spy

1970
01:43:50,813 --> 01:43:54,453
Speaker 28: for Thomas Cromwell. And so after the first Queen Catherine

1971
01:43:54,493 --> 01:43:57,653
Speaker 28: of Aragon, Jane's role really began to change and she

1972
01:43:57,893 --> 01:44:00,573
Speaker 28: was often one of the closest ladies in waitings to

1973
01:44:00,653 --> 01:44:04,333
Speaker 28: the Queen, so she knew secrets, she heard conversations, so

1974
01:44:04,733 --> 01:44:06,693
Speaker 28: new lots of things and privy to lots of things

1975
01:44:06,733 --> 01:44:09,253
Speaker 28: that most people within the court were not and so

1976
01:44:09,493 --> 01:44:11,613
Speaker 28: it really put her at an advantage and this perfect

1977
01:44:11,653 --> 01:44:14,813
Speaker 28: position to pass on important information into assisted position in

1978
01:44:14,893 --> 01:44:18,333
Speaker 28: court and to the most powerful people in England. And

1979
01:44:18,453 --> 01:44:21,853
Speaker 28: you know, survival and court meant that she was many people.

1980
01:44:22,013 --> 01:44:24,253
Speaker 28: She was a loving wife, a devoted sister, a friend

1981
01:44:24,413 --> 01:44:25,533
Speaker 28: as well as a confidant.

1982
01:44:26,373 --> 01:44:27,493
Speaker 27: But she just gave her.

1983
01:44:27,853 --> 01:44:30,933
Speaker 28: Huge amounts of power and power to this front seat

1984
01:44:31,013 --> 01:44:34,373
Speaker 28: of history as it unfolds. And so she really managed

1985
01:44:34,373 --> 01:44:36,973
Speaker 28: to keep herself one staper ahead of other families that

1986
01:44:37,093 --> 01:44:39,213
Speaker 28: were trying to move up in court as well. And

1987
01:44:39,413 --> 01:44:42,493
Speaker 28: Philippa Gregory just weaves this tale that lures you into

1988
01:44:42,573 --> 01:44:44,973
Speaker 28: that inner workings of the court, and she explains the

1989
01:44:45,093 --> 01:44:47,813
Speaker 28: life of the worlds and the spy and those and

1990
01:44:47,893 --> 01:44:49,773
Speaker 28: a working for the tutor court and the food and

1991
01:44:49,813 --> 01:44:52,013
Speaker 28: the clothes and the entertainments and the balls, and that

1992
01:44:53,053 --> 01:44:55,973
Speaker 28: life and King Henry's the court like was really no other.

1993
01:44:56,213 --> 01:44:58,813
Speaker 28: And yeah, it's the historical novel of ambition, betrayal and

1994
01:44:58,893 --> 01:45:01,293
Speaker 28: survival and that Court of Henry the Eighth. And it's

1995
01:45:01,493 --> 01:45:03,253
Speaker 28: absolutely fascinating.

1996
01:45:02,813 --> 01:45:07,213
Speaker 3: Awesome, it sounds sounds fantastic, Okay. So that's boldin Trader

1997
01:45:07,373 --> 01:45:10,773
Speaker 3: Is by Philippa Gregory. Your second book, Allies and War

1998
01:45:10,893 --> 01:45:11,733
Speaker 3: by Timboo Yeer.

1999
01:45:12,733 --> 01:45:15,853
Speaker 28: So this looks in depth at the Allied Powers during

2000
01:45:15,893 --> 01:45:18,453
Speaker 28: World War Two. So after the fall of France and

2001
01:45:18,613 --> 01:45:22,373
Speaker 28: June nineteen forties, Britain really stood between Hitler and total victory,

2002
01:45:22,933 --> 01:45:25,693
Speaker 28: and they were desperate for allies, and Churchill did everything

2003
01:45:25,773 --> 01:45:27,893
Speaker 28: he could to bring the US into the conflict and

2004
01:45:28,173 --> 01:45:32,333
Speaker 28: drive a week between Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. And

2005
01:45:32,613 --> 01:45:35,013
Speaker 28: you know, when you look back into the late thirties

2006
01:45:35,093 --> 01:45:38,253
Speaker 28: or forties, you realize how isolated the British were in

2007
01:45:38,333 --> 01:45:41,653
Speaker 28: those early stages, because in nineteen thirty nine Moscow had

2008
01:45:41,693 --> 01:45:44,333
Speaker 28: signed a non aggression pack with Nazi Germany, and the

2009
01:45:44,453 --> 01:45:47,813
Speaker 28: following year France ends up into German occupation, and the

2010
01:45:47,933 --> 01:45:51,253
Speaker 28: US is still largely on the sidelines and rarely only

2011
01:45:51,333 --> 01:45:54,053
Speaker 28: come into the party after Japanese attack Pearl Harbor in

2012
01:45:54,413 --> 01:45:57,933
Speaker 28: nineteen forty one, and just before that Germany invaded the

2013
01:45:58,333 --> 01:46:01,973
Speaker 28: Soviet Union in June, and so then Churchill manages to

2014
01:46:02,053 --> 01:46:05,733
Speaker 28: force this alliance with the Soviet leader of Stalin, They

2015
01:46:05,893 --> 01:46:08,013
Speaker 28: and the UN and they have this common enemy that

2016
01:46:08,173 --> 01:46:10,933
Speaker 28: held the alliance together. And so that's where they really

2017
01:46:10,933 --> 01:46:13,933
Speaker 28: are in nineteen forty two. But they were really divided

2018
01:46:13,973 --> 01:46:17,613
Speaker 28: by ideology and politics and lots of mistrust and deceit.

2019
01:46:18,453 --> 01:46:21,253
Speaker 28: And although Churchill reserve out Installing were partners in the

2020
01:46:21,333 --> 01:46:23,973
Speaker 28: fight to defeat Hitler, they were also rivals and they

2021
01:46:24,013 --> 01:46:27,133
Speaker 28: disagreed on strategy and perialism in the future of what

2022
01:46:27,253 --> 01:46:29,973
Speaker 28: Europe was going to look like. And so Timbavier has

2023
01:46:30,133 --> 01:46:32,853
Speaker 28: drawn on this material from hundreds of archives. He's got

2024
01:46:32,933 --> 01:46:36,293
Speaker 28: first hand accounts and unpublished diaries, and you realize how

2025
01:46:36,373 --> 01:46:40,213
Speaker 28: complicated this alliance was and how the country's involved and

2026
01:46:40,293 --> 01:46:42,613
Speaker 28: their unexpected events of the war and all of that

2027
01:46:42,813 --> 01:46:45,173
Speaker 28: kind of international and national politics are condred. And it's

2028
01:46:45,173 --> 01:46:48,853
Speaker 28: a really interesting look at that time and history and

2029
01:46:48,973 --> 01:46:52,453
Speaker 28: how the mechanisms between rules of our Churchill and Stalin

2030
01:46:52,533 --> 01:46:55,333
Speaker 28: and their relationships which formed that alliance really worked at

2031
01:46:55,373 --> 01:46:57,013
Speaker 28: It quite fascinated, right.

2032
01:46:57,093 --> 01:47:00,213
Speaker 3: So that's Allies in War by Tim Bovie. That's really interesting.

2033
01:47:00,733 --> 01:47:02,693
Speaker 3: Your first book, Bold and Traitor by PHILIPA.

2034
01:47:02,733 --> 01:47:03,093
Speaker 5: Gregory.

2035
01:47:03,133 --> 01:47:05,213
Speaker 3: Both of those books and all the details about them

2036
01:47:05,213 --> 01:47:07,853
Speaker 3: will be up on the news he'd be website.

2037
01:47:07,653 --> 01:47:10,453
Speaker 2: Giving you the inside scoop on the ball you need

2038
01:47:10,533 --> 01:47:14,173
Speaker 2: to know. Saturday Morning with Jack Dame and Use talks

2039
01:47:14,213 --> 01:47:14,493
Speaker 2: It be.

2040
01:47:16,533 --> 01:47:24,293
Speaker 15: Oho God well upon. It feels like this wall is adawning.

2041
01:47:26,093 --> 01:47:31,733
Speaker 15: Let it alone, don't run us here, feels like this

2042
01:47:32,013 --> 01:47:39,333
Speaker 15: war is a waking of defain.

2043
01:47:39,133 --> 01:47:40,373
Speaker 17: Of forest.

2044
01:47:41,493 --> 01:47:48,413
Speaker 11: Sing you say, to get us known, reaching a defain

2045
01:47:50,813 --> 01:47:52,933
Speaker 11: and something the pain get us know?

2046
01:47:53,533 --> 01:47:53,933
Speaker 5: All right?

2047
01:47:54,173 --> 01:48:00,213
Speaker 3: This is interesting, isn't it. Songs called Adorning, isn't just

2048
01:48:00,333 --> 01:48:04,213
Speaker 3: as the day is dawning a dawning. The album is

2049
01:48:04,293 --> 01:48:09,973
Speaker 3: also called Adorning. It's Oliver Arnold's and Tellos and James

2050
01:48:10,053 --> 01:48:12,933
Speaker 3: Irwin has been listening. Good morning, James.

2051
01:48:13,053 --> 01:48:17,453
Speaker 19: Kidda, Jack, Oh yeah, I just gives me goosebumps, this

2052
01:48:17,813 --> 01:48:18,733
Speaker 19: particularly that song.

2053
01:48:18,973 --> 01:48:19,213
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2054
01:48:19,893 --> 01:48:22,693
Speaker 19: And today I'm gonna take our audience in a sort

2055
01:48:22,733 --> 01:48:26,373
Speaker 19: of a journey into ambient and neo classical electronic music.

2056
01:48:26,813 --> 01:48:30,173
Speaker 19: And before you raise other my Brown, Yeah, don't worry,

2057
01:48:30,213 --> 01:48:32,173
Speaker 19: there's no sentence candles here, Jack. We're not going to

2058
01:48:32,213 --> 01:48:34,053
Speaker 19: We're not gonna get out the Himalayan salt lamps, and

2059
01:48:34,133 --> 01:48:37,773
Speaker 19: no Lulu lemons are required. This is not day spa music.

2060
01:48:37,853 --> 01:48:40,813
Speaker 19: It's it's soul music, but not the James Brown kind.

2061
01:48:40,933 --> 01:48:44,573
Speaker 19: It's the kind of music that makes your soul, you know, warm,

2062
01:48:44,653 --> 01:48:46,813
Speaker 19: It sneaks up on you when the world's really quiet.

2063
01:48:47,253 --> 01:48:49,293
Speaker 19: And I was kind of thinking, I was thinking this morning,

2064
01:48:49,373 --> 01:48:52,133
Speaker 19: how do I actually introduce our audience to this this

2065
01:48:52,293 --> 01:48:54,653
Speaker 19: genre of music. How do I describe it? And it's

2066
01:48:54,693 --> 01:48:56,773
Speaker 19: probably a little bit like how I heard you before

2067
01:48:56,853 --> 01:48:59,733
Speaker 19: talking about the taj Mahal early in the morning when

2068
01:48:59,853 --> 01:49:01,813
Speaker 19: when I was laying in bed this morning, awake, just

2069
01:49:01,853 --> 01:49:04,333
Speaker 19: sort of around six am, the world outside is just

2070
01:49:04,373 --> 01:49:06,973
Speaker 19: starting to stir. The light and the lot started sort

2071
01:49:06,973 --> 01:49:09,093
Speaker 19: of creeping through the cracks and the curtain, and it

2072
01:49:09,213 --> 01:49:12,493
Speaker 19: slowly turns your room to gold, and everything's kind of

2073
01:49:12,533 --> 01:49:15,933
Speaker 19: felt really cozy. And to me, that's exactly what this

2074
01:49:16,133 --> 01:49:17,653
Speaker 19: album Adawning sounds like.

2075
01:49:18,173 --> 01:49:18,333
Speaker 5: Now.

2076
01:49:18,373 --> 01:49:22,413
Speaker 19: It's a collaboration between Olifer and Albs and Talos, and

2077
01:49:22,573 --> 01:49:25,613
Speaker 19: Olifer is an Icelandic composer who's mastered the art of

2078
01:49:26,133 --> 01:49:29,573
Speaker 19: Melancholy's done a lot of incredible music, and Talos not

2079
01:49:29,693 --> 01:49:32,213
Speaker 19: as so well known. He was an Irish singer. He's

2080
01:49:32,213 --> 01:49:34,853
Speaker 19: an Irish singer whose voice feels like it's echoing off

2081
01:49:34,973 --> 01:49:38,213
Speaker 19: as sort of like a distant cliff as we just heard. Now,

2082
01:49:38,693 --> 01:49:41,733
Speaker 19: this album was already appearing on early Album of the

2083
01:49:41,853 --> 01:49:46,573
Speaker 19: year's lists. I know that you know that's subjective. It

2084
01:49:46,693 --> 01:49:49,173
Speaker 19: carries a lot of atmosphere with it, It carries memory,

2085
01:49:49,693 --> 01:49:52,533
Speaker 19: but this album also carries great loss and grief. So

2086
01:49:52,773 --> 01:49:55,813
Speaker 19: I'm going to tell you about that shortly. Musically, there's

2087
01:49:55,933 --> 01:50:01,093
Speaker 19: sort of delicate, delicate piano throughout. It's really hesitant piano playing.

2088
01:50:01,373 --> 01:50:05,373
Speaker 19: It kind of tiptoes around Talos's layered, ghostly vocals, and

2089
01:50:05,493 --> 01:50:08,493
Speaker 19: there's really sweet, beautiful electronic texture.

2090
01:50:08,693 --> 01:50:09,333
Speaker 3: But it's subtle.

2091
01:50:09,413 --> 01:50:11,773
Speaker 19: It's not like it's not banging at the club. It's

2092
01:50:11,933 --> 01:50:16,573
Speaker 19: really light, you know, subtle pulses and swells. Nothing is

2093
01:50:16,693 --> 01:50:20,093
Speaker 19: really overwhelming. It's kind of this album's all about restraint,

2094
01:50:20,133 --> 01:50:21,973
Speaker 19: but there's a whole lot of space in it. So

2095
01:50:22,413 --> 01:50:24,053
Speaker 19: the first time I heard it, actually I was I

2096
01:50:24,173 --> 01:50:27,013
Speaker 19: was walking up behind Willington Zoo just after sunrise, and

2097
01:50:27,133 --> 01:50:29,333
Speaker 19: I had my black labrador trotting beside me, and I'm

2098
01:50:29,333 --> 01:50:31,853
Speaker 19: pretty sure there was a pea whacker pea wocka woaka

2099
01:50:31,933 --> 01:50:35,053
Speaker 19: dancing alongside with us, and the streets were super quiet,

2100
01:50:35,133 --> 01:50:37,093
Speaker 19: you know, at that sort of five point forty five am.

2101
01:50:37,493 --> 01:50:40,293
Speaker 19: The year had that early spring chill, and this music

2102
01:50:40,373 --> 01:50:42,773
Speaker 19: it didn't kind of didn't grab me for my attention,

2103
01:50:43,013 --> 01:50:45,333
Speaker 19: just kind of settled in in the background, wrapping around me,

2104
01:50:45,653 --> 01:50:47,573
Speaker 19: and it kind of waits. It was kind of like

2105
01:50:47,693 --> 01:50:50,173
Speaker 19: it was waiting for me to realize the magnitude of it.

2106
01:50:50,733 --> 01:50:54,893
Speaker 19: So Talos, known as Owen French, he actually passed away

2107
01:50:54,933 --> 01:50:57,493
Speaker 19: in twenty twenty four before the album was even finished.

2108
01:50:57,653 --> 01:51:00,333
Speaker 19: So it's really hard to talk about this album A

2109
01:51:00,413 --> 01:51:02,813
Speaker 19: Dawning without feeling the weight of that. You can hear

2110
01:51:02,893 --> 01:51:05,253
Speaker 19: it all in the spaces between the notes a lot.

2111
01:51:05,293 --> 01:51:08,613
Speaker 19: Like I said last week with with Tweety, these piano

2112
01:51:08,813 --> 01:51:12,573
Speaker 19: pedals that you can hear creaking and and things groaning

2113
01:51:12,653 --> 01:51:14,493
Speaker 19: in the room, and I always adore that kind of

2114
01:51:14,813 --> 01:51:16,933
Speaker 19: sound in the background. There's there's a quiet eight to

2115
01:51:17,013 --> 01:51:19,573
Speaker 19: this album, something that's kind of slipping out of your reach.

2116
01:51:20,133 --> 01:51:20,293
Speaker 5: Now.

2117
01:51:20,413 --> 01:51:23,533
Speaker 19: These two met during a residency, and Cork so rest assured.

2118
01:51:23,573 --> 01:51:25,293
Speaker 19: I imagine there was a lot of Guinnesses in their

2119
01:51:25,333 --> 01:51:29,093
Speaker 19: first meeting, and they decided to make music together. And

2120
01:51:29,253 --> 01:51:32,333
Speaker 19: when Owen became seriously ill, they both knew that this

2121
01:51:32,533 --> 01:51:35,933
Speaker 19: was gonna be their first and last collaboration. So Adorning

2122
01:51:36,053 --> 01:51:37,773
Speaker 19: is gonna be his final work. It's gonna be his

2123
01:51:37,973 --> 01:51:39,373
Speaker 19: closing message to the world.

2124
01:51:39,973 --> 01:51:41,213
Speaker 3: And that kind of got me thinking.

2125
01:51:41,253 --> 01:51:43,493
Speaker 19: I don't know if you know this book, Eric Winner's book,

2126
01:51:43,733 --> 01:51:46,893
Speaker 19: The Geography of Genius. You know when when you get

2127
01:51:48,093 --> 01:51:51,933
Speaker 19: really talented people come together and the creative dial completely

2128
01:51:52,013 --> 01:51:56,093
Speaker 19: shifts seismically, you know, like bringing out the very best

2129
01:51:56,173 --> 01:51:57,973
Speaker 19: of each other. So you know, if I was throwing

2130
01:51:57,973 --> 01:52:00,853
Speaker 19: out names, you know, maybe Elton John and Bernie Torpen,

2131
01:52:01,733 --> 01:52:03,093
Speaker 19: definitely Lennon and McCartney.

2132
01:52:03,893 --> 01:52:05,293
Speaker 3: I personally think Nick.

2133
01:52:05,213 --> 01:52:07,173
Speaker 19: Cave and Warren Allis. I think Warren Allis has just

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Speaker 19: made Nick Cave just sing. In the last twenty years,

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Speaker 19: this project became a kind of preservation. It's kind of

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Speaker 19: capturing something fragile and beautiful before it kind of slipped away.

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Speaker 19: And every note is very intentional, and every note feels

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Speaker 19: really sacred when you're listening to it. You know, I

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Speaker 19: know I'm throwing around a whole lot of words, but

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Speaker 19: Adorning just isn't an album. It's a man's final offering

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Speaker 19: to the world. It's a quiet act of holding on

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Speaker 19: even as his life was letting go. So it was

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Speaker 19: actually finished after he passed away, and there's so much

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Speaker 19: care and detail in it. It's really emotional this album

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Speaker 19: once you know the story, but it's not mournful. It's

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Speaker 19: like a gentle farewell. It's again it's a bit like

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Speaker 19: that creeping light I said at the start, behind the curtain,

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Speaker 19: just coming in and just kind of lingering in a room.

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Speaker 19: There's eight tracks. Each one glows. It's twenty nine minutes.

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Speaker 5: Jack.

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Speaker 19: You know, I always love music that makes you feel

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Speaker 19: like a place, and adorning feels like a place that

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Speaker 19: you go to to reset. You know, when we're soft

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Speaker 19: and gentle, isn't we That stillness is healing and oh

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Speaker 19: my days? You know, I would say give it a listen.

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Speaker 19: Not while you're rushing around, but maybe when the sky's

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Speaker 19: doing that pink blue thing it does late in the day,

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Speaker 19: early in the morning. Let it unfold, let it breathe,

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Speaker 19: because music doesn't just fill a room, it can change

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Speaker 19: the ear around you.

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Speaker 3: I love this album. That sounds great, Jays, So what

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Speaker 3: did you give it? Well, look, I want to give

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Speaker 3: it a ten.

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Speaker 19: I'm going to give it a very hard nine. Okay,

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Speaker 19: twenty nine minutes.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 19: There's not going to be another. It deserves a ten.

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Speaker 19: I would say go and listen to it. It's ONNLD

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Speaker 19: streaming SUPERB love it. Thank you so much, James. So

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Speaker 19: the album is Adawning. It's by Oliver Arnold and Talos.

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Speaker 19: We'll make sure that the details of the album are

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Speaker 19: up on the news talks. He'd be website because I

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Speaker 19: know those names can be a bit tricky, but a

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Speaker 19: dawning is the one you want to search if you've

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Speaker 19: got the streaming platforms up and you'll be able to

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Speaker 19: listen to it at home. We will pick another song

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Speaker 19: from the album and play you that in a couple

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Speaker 19: of minutes. It's eight minutes to twelve.

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Speaker 2: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with JT

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Speaker 2: News Talks AB.

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Speaker 3: And in a blink of the eye, the more blink

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Speaker 3: of an eye, the morning is over. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for being with us on News Talks. He'd b

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Speaker 3: it's just coming up to midday, which means that Jason

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Speaker 3: Pine is standing by with a big afternoon planned on

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Speaker 3: weekend sport. Jamie Joseph is going to be with them.

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Speaker 3: He'll be looking at these Silver Fern's performance in the

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Speaker 3: first Constellation Cup Test against Australia last night as well

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Speaker 3: considering how they can turn things around. We're gonna be

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Speaker 3: with you next Saturday morning. But until then for everything

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Speaker 3: from our show, go to Newstalks, HEDB dot co dot

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Speaker 3: nz ed Ford slash Jack. You'll find it all there.

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Speaker 3: Thanks as always to my awesome producer Libby for doing

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Speaker 3: all of the tough stuff and keeping me in line.

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Speaker 3: We're Gonna Leave You with Oliver Arnold and Talos. The

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Speaker 3: new album is a Dawning Adawning and this song's called

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Speaker 3: Signs See You next Saturday.

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Speaker 12: Selling Space.

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Speaker 11: Burns across the orcan.

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Speaker 15: Clods, a loss on the Breaking ray Probes and all

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Speaker 15: They're closing.

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Speaker 12: All the tape, the fallen, All hat on, Tag Delights falls,

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Speaker 12: speak as all divice.

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Speaker 15: Orderly as bidespeak, Go boy, get a home name Buffy,

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Speaker 15: let us.

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Speaker 11: See suns or us or did I ask you?

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Speaker 3: Or did I see whig.

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Speaker 17: In the wall?

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Speaker 3: Name a key sor a.

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Speaker 11: Bh Did I ask me?

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Speaker 15: Or did a speak boy in the wall?

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Speaker 14: Name?

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Speaker 11: Don't breaking the peace?

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Speaker 3: So so for forget the peach?

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Speaker 11: How did I ask you?

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Speaker 15: Or did I seek close bog in the wall? Name

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Speaker 15: I've taken a piece, So I've taken the piece.

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Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live

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