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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: All right, our thirteen away from five. Barry Soper, senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondent, is with us.

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Speaker 3: Now, Hi, Barry, Oh, good afternoon. This is pretty.

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Speaker 2: Unusual, isn't it? The High Court ordering an MP back

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Speaker 2: into the past.

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Speaker 3: Well, highly unusual. I can never remember it happening. I

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Speaker 3: remember Winston Peter's had a fight with the National Party

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Speaker 3: in the early ninth ordered back in. No, he wasn't

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Speaker 3: ordered back, And I think it's probably unprecedented. But I

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Speaker 3: know you're going to have a legal expert on talking

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Speaker 3: about that, because I certainly in my time it hasn't happened.

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Speaker 3: And this, you know, this was a case significantly I

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Speaker 3: think against John Tammahetty as the president of the party.

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Speaker 3: I mean he was the third respondent in this, along

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Speaker 3: with the Council of the Maldi Party and essentially the

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Speaker 3: judge came out saying that she has to be reinstated.

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Speaker 3: I've also applied for restraining orders until a hearing will

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Speaker 3: be old next year. That's a restraining order against John

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Speaker 3: Tamaherry acting in his role as president of the party,

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Speaker 3: restraining the Council and executive including Tamihrry from passing any

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Speaker 3: resolution at the AGM, which is I think this weekend.

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Speaker 2: So oh, that'll be waker jumping, won't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yes, exactly, And you can imagine what it's

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Speaker 3: going to be like now for Maremento Cappakinghi in the

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Speaker 3: caucus because she will now be reinstated to the caucus.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure what will happen to Takuta Ferris. It

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Speaker 3: may be that the leadership of the party will look

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Speaker 3: at him and say, well, has he offended any worse

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Speaker 3: than their view than Kappa Kingy and restore him as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's an absolute unmitigated mess in the Maldi party,

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Speaker 3: and certainly from a party that doesn't deserve any part

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Speaker 3: of government in just a year's time.

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Speaker 2: So the restraint of mister Tamaheri from acting as the

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Speaker 2: part they Maldy president, is that acting in any capacity

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Speaker 2: as the present or just pertaining to her.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. The finding is a very large one.

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Speaker 3: I've sort of speed read it and I couldn't quite

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Speaker 3: find out whether that was in fact going to be

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Speaker 3: the case.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll have a bit of a reader, but we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to Grahame Echeler about it. After five o'clock, Lord,

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Speaker 2: have you come in with a bit of TDS again? Well,

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Speaker 2: have you.

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Speaker 3: No Trump dearrangement syndrome?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I just think that you know, we all we it's

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Speaker 3: easy to put labels on people. And I know that

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Speaker 3: you've often accused me of suffering from Trump derangement syndrome. Well,

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Speaker 3: I've got to say either that I'm in pretty good company.

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Speaker 3: You have a listen to Prince Harry on the show

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Speaker 3: fronted by Jacinda Durn's mate Stephen Colbert. But your Americans

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Speaker 3: are obsessed with Christmas movies and you're truly obsessive with royalty,

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Speaker 3: so why not.

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Speaker 1: Hold on?

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Speaker 3: Hold on? Look, look, I wouldn't say we're obsessed with royalty. Really,

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Speaker 3: I heard you. I heard you elected a king. He's

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Speaker 3: got a point, good, good point.

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Speaker 2: But you do Barry. That's so scripted, right, No, No, No,

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Speaker 2: Harry is reading his line.

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Speaker 3: No he wasn't. If you saw I watched him on

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Speaker 3: the show, he wasn't reading lines.

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Speaker 2: Heather, I see the Germans shaking her head and U

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Speaker 2: she's that whatever, Boomer.

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Speaker 3: Go tell the German to go and have a lock

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Speaker 3: and listen to the language being spoken, and watch the

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Speaker 3: mannerisms of the people in the studio. It wasn't Darry.

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Speaker 2: Whatever brings you joy.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't bring me any joy at all. Because look,

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Speaker 3: the esteemed President Trump, the work he's doing on ending

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Speaker 3: the war in the Ukraine. There's a leak telephone call.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether you've seen that, Heather, that was

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Speaker 3: among European leaders, and Alexander Stubb, the President of Finland,

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Speaker 3: warned that europe shouldn't leave Ukraine and Vladimir alone with

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Speaker 3: these guys. And that's referring to Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner,

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Speaker 3: Trump's son in law, and the leak, the highly sensitive

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Speaker 3: telephone call, the lavish praise on Trump in the past,

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Speaker 3: these leaders, but now they seem to be heaping on

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Speaker 3: them or ganging up on him. So he's not as

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Speaker 3: popular as some people might like to make out. And

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Speaker 3: even the man that called him Daddy, the NATO Secretary General,

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Speaker 3: he's expressed agreement with Stubb when the latter suggested the

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Speaker 3: US negotiating team couldn't be trusted. So, you know, just

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Speaker 3: putting it into perspective here, that's all stop smiling. I

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Speaker 3: think President Trump is a wonderful man.

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Speaker 1: Said Barry.

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Speaker 2: Whatever makes you happy now, Barry, have you have you

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Speaker 2: reflected on the fact that if we had made the

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Speaker 2: call ten years ago we would have a new flag.

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Speaker 2: Well steen years into our new flag, we wouldn't need to.

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Speaker 3: Be talking about it were ten years on. Of course,

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Speaker 3: it was John Key's passion when he was Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: to get the Union Jack off our flag. And I

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Speaker 3: think it's a word. It was a worthy fight. And

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Speaker 3: it wasn't overwhelmingly opposed to fifty six percent in the

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Speaker 3: referendum voted. There was more than one point two million

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Speaker 3: people voted in the referendum, and so it was a

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Speaker 3: pretty close run thing. And I think you know, the

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Speaker 3: design that was Kyl Lockwood's design, black and white with

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Speaker 3: a blue silver fern flag was chosen to go up

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Speaker 3: against our current Union Jack flag and it missed out.

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Speaker 3: And the argument would be, and I think it's a

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Speaker 3: fairly good argument that we had four flags to choose

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Speaker 3: alternatives on against the one flag, and I think it

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Speaker 3: should have been one against one and then they have

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Speaker 3: seen a different story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps so, Barry, thank you very much for wrap

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Speaker 2: political week that was with you. Later on just have

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Speaker 2: to six Vary sober political senior political correspondent.

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