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Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Excess Solutions, celebrating twenty

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Speaker 2: five years in business. The final Rugby Directs on tour

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Speaker 2: of season twenty twenty five, coming of course from Cardiff.

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Speaker 2: As we count down to the All Blacks final match

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Speaker 2: of season twenty twenty five, they play well Sunday morning,

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Speaker 2: of course, and as we discussed earlier in the week

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Speaker 2: on the podcast, this game takes on a different complexion,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it lim As we build into this game, the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks could have been playing for a grand ultimately

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Speaker 2: weren't good enough, but now they've got to try and

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Speaker 2: finish the year on a high as best they can.

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Speaker 2: And as we have seen and I'm sure our listeners

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Speaker 2: have seen as well, much change lineup for the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks for this test. Was that ultimately what you were expecting.

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Speaker 3: I think this week, regardless of the result last week,

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Speaker 3: there were going to be mass changes went there, But

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Speaker 3: you're right, the complexion of those changes of the All

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Speaker 3: Black season of this week has completely altered. But I

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Speaker 3: don't know if the team has altered that score ups

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Speaker 4: Not too sure. But as it stands thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Starting changes, Simon Parker and Scott Barrett are the only

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Speaker 4: Will Jordan switches to the right wing.

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Speaker 3: So a number of fringe players getting opportunities, and in

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Speaker 3: the most cases they're much needed, aren't they. You look

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Speaker 3: at guys like Rubin Love in particular. I was looking back.

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Speaker 3: I think he's played twenty three minutes for the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks with two brief bench appearances in four months, and

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Speaker 3: he's one guy that springs out and then Rikowani's back

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Speaker 3: to the back to the future recall at Censor is

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Speaker 4: Another big talking point.

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Speaker 2: It is, Yeah, let's get into the Ruben Love selection

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Speaker 2: first and foremost. You know, personally, I would have liked

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Speaker 2: I mean, they could lose the match, I suppose, but

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Speaker 2: Ruben Love at ten versus Damien McKinsey. We know we're

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Speaker 2: doing McKenzie and play ten to a very high level man.

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Speaker 2: He's played a number of Test matches this year, but

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Speaker 2: he can play ten at Test level. So I would

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Speaker 2: have flipped them around. I would have played Rubin Love

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Speaker 2: at ten Damian McKay fifteen. Scott Robinson's talked a lot

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Speaker 2: about this four four four project. Well, basically the all

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Speaker 2: they still don't have a fourth and we haven't seen

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Speaker 2: Rubin Love get any game time at ten. To me,

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Speaker 2: this felt like an opportunity to put him at ten

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Speaker 3: Well, what it does do is shape the public messaging

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Speaker 4: So do they actually believe that?

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Speaker 3: And I agree with you in the sense that this

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Speaker 2: No, there's not.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I still got the insurance policy of

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Speaker 2: He's there at fifteen, and you know, if he were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Sevu Finlay Christie, those who guys in

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Speaker 3: You've got guys like Shaffi Hackey and Ammonia at an

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Speaker 2: Well, I just don't see Sevris getting to the twenty

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Speaker 2: I don't think he should have be sicked in the

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Speaker 4: I think that would probably be in his best entry.

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Speaker 2: He's fallen way down the picking order. We started a

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Speaker 2: But maybe look at a Sex two and how you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's played their NPC level Sex two. Little

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Speaker 2: bit risky, yes, but I would like to see this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this was the game to do it right.

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Speaker 3: Not no disrespect to Wales, but no, but just given

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Speaker 2: Well, again, the you know, could have gone with a

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Speaker 2: For me, so feels like they've just gone a full

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Speaker 3: Well, what happens if Rico comes out this weekend plays

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Speaker 2: It's hard to know because, again, with all due respect

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Speaker 2: obviously as you mentioned to Leinster, where potentially he gets

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Speaker 2: a pretty good note for Rico Yuani. So I think

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Speaker 2: he's got a bit to game this weekend potentially if things.

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Speaker 3: Go well, So it's an opportunity that he's been craving,

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Speaker 3: isn't it, and he needs to take it because lenks

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Speaker 3: Huge, that's a brutal tests scheduled to end the year.

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Speaker 4: Do you like them? But underwhelmed?

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I think the spring Box fully deserving

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Speaker 2: And so this is the thing for me with will

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Speaker 2: skimmission to see where there will go. It is Fabian Holan's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I like that collection of players. I

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Speaker 2: But hasn't played a lot of Test rugby.

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Speaker 3: Largely comes off the bench. So for me, Fabian ones

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Speaker 3: that hands down. He has come and not on it.

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Speaker 3: It's obviously his rookie year, but he's played eighty minutes

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Speaker 3: so often and made it look reasonably easy at times,

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Speaker 3: backstory about where he's come from and you know, the

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Speaker 3: posters on the wall and all those sorts of things.

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Speaker 4: It's a great story.

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Speaker 3: But he's taken a Test rugby like he belonged from

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Speaker 3: the outset.

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Speaker 4: So for me, he wons that award.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to agree. I mean, he's looked outstanding

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Speaker 2: in every match he played and it was interesting to

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Speaker 2: hear Scott robertson Saturday that the probably missed him his

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Speaker 2: body type everything last week and this will be his

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Speaker 2: twelfth test of thirteen for the year. I only missed

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Speaker 2: that test against the English had took in him. So

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Speaker 2: he's had a big old workload, as have we on

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Speaker 2: this tour. And that'll be the last Rugby Direct until

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Speaker 2: we get back to New Zealand and probably until early December.

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Speaker 2: We're backing your feeds to wrap up the years, so

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Speaker 2: nothing specifically to wrap up this test match. We've got planes,

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Speaker 2: trains and automobiles to catch and head back home and

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Speaker 2: the little bit of downtime before we get back into

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Speaker 2: the rug better X studio limb.

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Speaker 3: It's been a great tour, always a pleasure with the

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Speaker 3: earl it but getting a bit head off for home for.

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Speaker 2: Home look it up Hurrah Welsh So where we learned

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Speaker 2: last night over a couple of beverages and dinner from

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Speaker 2: the Welsh.

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Speaker 4: Colleagues, the great spot of Cardiff.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right, It's it's been a pleasure to bring you

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Speaker 2: rug Director over the course of the tour. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: last and Bars English for pulling it all together. As

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Speaker 2: I said, we'll be back early December with a couple

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Speaker 2: of pods or one, so to wrap up the year,

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Speaker 2: by which point probably will know the all blacks pool

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Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty seven Rugby World Cup that is

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Speaker 2: on December the third, So maybe we convene after that

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Speaker 2: cast ahead to twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 4: Tonga and Italy short odds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who else? Well, I don't think I was going

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Speaker 2: to Fiji in Australia all in their pool. They teend

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Speaker 2: to get drawn together. England gets Argentina a fair bit,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see what happens. I'm sure they'll How about

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Speaker 2: this all blacks wallabes in pool.

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Speaker 4: Play would be a better spice. Thing's nice.

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Speaker 2: Mix the balls correctly, you know, they do it fee

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Speaker 2: for you know, they you know, make sure that all

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Speaker 2: the tolato. Yeah, you know there's a it's it's you know,

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Speaker 2: not rigged, but it certainly you know, look their way.

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Speaker 2: You know, imagine Rugby World Cup organizers would love that

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Speaker 2: if they get that match up anyway. That'll do us

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