1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: What the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty exceptional 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,439 Speaker 1: marketing for every property. 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: On the huddle with me this evening we have David 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: farah Kiwi blogging, Curiapolster and Toby Mannheier of the spinoff 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 2: Hello you. 6 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 3: Two, Hello, Hello, Hello, David. 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 2: I tell you what, I'm surprised by the number of 8 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: texts taking issue that have come into me today, taking 9 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: issue with the Prime Minister saying this morning that some 10 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: schools may have to defer some arts and music in 11 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: favor of more maths teaching. Isn't it obviously the better 12 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: balance more maths, less of the hobby stuff. 13 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 4: Well it's not quite a binary thing, which might be 14 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 4: what the people are on about. But look, absolutely you 15 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 4: got sex hours a day teaching your first or how 16 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 4: much do we need the rigging right here in matts. 17 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 4: Once you've got that under control, and obviously we don't 18 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 4: have that under control, then you put all the other 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 4: things in on top of that. So I think it 20 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 4: is very sensible that that's so priority. But I don't 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 4: think people should think that it's we shouldn't ever do 22 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 4: any arts or crafts. 23 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: That's not that's not what they're arguing. They're arguing that 24 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: it's basically on par like maths is the same as music, 25 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: because you might go on to be a band leader 26 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: in the New Zealand Army. 27 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 4: You might that very hard to get anywhere at the 28 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 4: unemployment being that if you can't read, write, or count. 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: Very true, Toby, what do you reckon? 30 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 3: Well? I think that the thing that Luson was saying 31 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: this morning was that the curriculum revamps for you know, 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: music and arts might take a back seat to maths. 33 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: And I think it's pretty hard to argue with that. 34 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: When you look at some of those numbers that they 35 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: produced on Sunday, I mean, it's genuinely shocking. And the 36 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: other thing I mean think David is right, it's not binary. 37 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: The two go together. The smartest people I know and 38 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 3: STEM or whatever love the arts, that live for the arts, 39 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: and you know, learning about learning English, learning about the arts, 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: ving music is about opening up your imagination. You know. 41 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: You look back to Paul Callahan, who's the sort of 42 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: godfather of you know, STEM in New Zealand. In the 43 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: New Zealand, he was all about doing science and arts 44 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: at the same time. I think we can do that 45 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 3: to the two hand in hand, But it's. 46 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: It's about prioritizer Gay And if you have to prioritize, 47 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: what would you prioritize Toby arts, musical maths? 48 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I don't mean that critical. We've 49 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: got to do We've got to get maths right. We've 50 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: got to get maths right. I don't think it has 51 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: to be one of the other. We've got to get 52 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: maths right. And I mean, I don't David, do you 53 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: have Do you have a primary school kid? Now, I've 54 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: got I've got I've got a kid who's just an 55 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: intermediate and one in given half. Okay, so you've got Well, 56 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's your experience, but my experience 57 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: is the difference between the really good math teacher and 58 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: the mediocre math teacher is so big. And that's why 59 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: I was sort of shocked to hear about the lack 60 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: of necessary training and maths for all our primary school teachers. 61 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: The good ones are so good, It's always been that way, 62 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: I think, but the gap just seems so vast. 63 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a very good point. Hey, David, 64 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: can you explain why on Earth Health New Zealand blocked 65 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: early access to key truth or why'd they do that? 66 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 4: I think it's because they're focused on what convenient for 67 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 4: them rather than thinking about the patients. Basically, it was oh, yeah, 68 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 4: well that's nice, this has come through. But what we 69 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 4: need to get us arranged and you know lot year, 70 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 4: let's do a project planned and we could do it 71 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 4: by this day. I won't say that's understandable, but that 72 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 4: is what they did. Where what should be is these 73 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: people are out there west cancer. This may help them 74 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 4: live longer, or even more than longer. How do we 75 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 4: do everything possible to speed this up? Yeah? 76 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: I mean that seems like the most likely explanation, doesn't it. 77 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: Toby Absolutely? I think it's machine says no machines, and 78 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: they didn't. You know. Put to mind that this is 79 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: a small group that these people have been through the 80 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: emotional ringer and some of their families, and look at 81 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: least they've seen the light. They came around pretty quickly, 82 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: have acknowledged they got it wrong, and now it's been 83 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 3: pushed through so array. 84 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, very very good news. All right, guys, will take 85 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: a break, come back shortly. 86 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional marketing 87 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: for every property. 88 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: Right back of the huddle. Toby Manhire, David Farrer Toby. 89 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: Electricity prices are now so high that Wilson Winston is 90 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: talking about shutting down a couple of their mills, their 91 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: pulp and timber mills. How do we fix this because 92 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: this cannot be how we catch can't run business like 93 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: this in this country. 94 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: Oh, I wish I knew, but yeah, it's a crazy amount. 95 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 3: I was just reading what Western Curtain's saying the mayor 96 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: of the Rupee region and it was three years ago Omega, 97 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: what was one hundred dollars and now it's seven hundred dollars, 98 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: and that's you can't operate a business that is so 99 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: dependent on energy to do that, I don't know, you know, 100 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: I mean there were years in which t Y seem 101 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: to have the public via the government over a barrel. 102 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 3: So you know, I think it's a difficult it's a 103 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: difficult balance, but certainly I can understand that something needs 104 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: to be done to look at A the supply overall, 105 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: and B whether or not we've got the model right 106 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: for the distribution and the business. 107 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: Model doesn't feel, David like something we're going to be 108 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: able to fix anytime soon. 109 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 4: Does it No, Because part of it's structural, But pa 110 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: is that it's working is intended. The structural problem is 111 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 4: we're to depend on hydro and unless we can get 112 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: a lot more renewable consented and fasts, or should do that, 113 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: we're going to remain with this problem that spot prices 114 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: shoot up when the dams aren't very full. Now, the 115 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 4: good thing for most of us is we don't pay 116 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 4: spot prices, so unless they stay high for weeks or 117 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 4: months on end, we don't notice. But poor businesses like 118 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: this one, though, do get hammered. And the only real 119 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 4: solution is you probably just need to go I've forgotten 120 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 4: the term, but the futures market basically is you need 121 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 4: to buy at some set price. Probably have a bit 122 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 4: more overall, but it protects you from what's just happened. 123 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, all of this stuff is going to take years 124 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: to fix. I suspect tooby. Did you see the warning 125 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: that key we could spending too much time in front 126 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: of screens explaining behaviors at mimic adhd. 127 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, it's it's it's terrifying this stuff. And 128 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 3: you know, all three of us have got kids. All 129 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 3: three of us have got kids. I imagine who from 130 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: time to time spend some time with a screen. And 131 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 3: it's just I mean, it's it's one of those things 132 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: that I oscillate between thinking, oh, we're all this is 133 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: all moral panic stuff and thinking in twenty years time, 134 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 3: we're going to look back on it like we did 135 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: on tobacco those years afterwards. It's a it's a constant 136 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: conversation in so many households. It's a real struggle. And look, 137 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: I tell you the thing that I do love is 138 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: the best and cheapest policy that this current government has 139 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: said so far was banning phones and it was good 140 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: and you know that was just a total winner. And 141 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: my son is a bright and more interesting person. So 142 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 3: don't you tell me? 143 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: Where do you land? Do you think it's a moral 144 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: panic or something to be worried about? 145 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: Well, like I say, it depends when you ask me. 146 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think probably the truth is 147 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: somewhere in the middle. And I think that it's a 148 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 3: thing that you know, you have to kind of police 149 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 3: to a certain extent without while still being reasonable, right, Like, 150 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 3: I think there is also a level that you can 151 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: become kind of you can become crazy fundamentalist about the 152 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: idea that thou shalt have only half an hour of 153 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: screen time per day. Let's be reasonable. These are these 154 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: are windows to the world as well, you know, I 155 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: mean the other day I shouldn't say this, didn't into 156 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: the lounge of my my eleven year old daughter had 157 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: the TV on, I had a laptop on her on 158 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: her knee and was scrolling, scrolling your triple screen, David, 159 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: what do you reckon? 160 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: Is it moral? 161 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 4: Toby's door should be a blogger for that sort of 162 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 4: described But no, it's not moral power. I think it 163 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: is a huge issue. But having Toby got right lock 164 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 4: The guidelines are like no more than two hours a 165 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 4: day when they're younger, occasionally they have two and a 166 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: half hours. That's not the problem. The problem is when 167 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: they're spending five hours a day every day. At the 168 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 4: moment Eaver will know, my children like to join our 169 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 4: conversation sometimes, so I've got them down, but doing screen 170 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 4: time because that was the best way to allow me 171 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 4: to do this interview. And so yeah, don't beat yourself 172 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: up if you go over the guidelines. But if you're 173 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 4: you know, if your kids are just doing screen time, 174 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: and nothing else. I think that has a huge problem. 175 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: But David, last time I spoke to you, you'd taken 176 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: the screens off completely. So have you now relented? 177 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, by necessity, partly there, but still fairly disciplined on it, 178 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 4: like do half an hour to an hour of educational 179 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 4: screen time on the tablets and setting limits for how 180 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 4: on TV. I have to say though Olympics, I have 181 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: totally relaxed it. Right, it's once every four years as 182 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 4: great bonding. So we have geography. 183 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: It's learning about geography, isn't it? You know? 184 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's learning about what happens when there's 185 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: pool and water. Toby says, a bit of science. 186 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: There is a matter me if you want to talk 187 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: about the pole vault? 188 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the pole vault. 189 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 4: Yes. 190 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: I like where you're going with this. Mildly alarming guys, 191 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, really appreciated. It's Toby Manhier of 192 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: the Spinner. Oh hold on, hold on, Toby are you there? 193 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 2: How good was your Juggernaut podcast? Can I just tell 194 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: you that? 195 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: Thank you mate? Awesome David about the Fourth Labor. 196 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: Government, loved it, could could go another round on it. David, 197 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: did you listen to it. 198 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 4: Of course, it's like being in a time warp. Bat. 199 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 4: I mean there's a reason why pre and post eighty 200 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: four as still. You know, even though you think forty 201 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: years on people wouldn't be interested in that. You've still 202 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 4: got like Sony on the left. Yeah, all say we 203 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 4: have to reverse what happened at and probably so many 204 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 4: who still have think, well, go back to what. 205 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: Tell you what? After listening to that, I just wanted 206 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: the entire National Party to sit down and grow some 207 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: balls basically and go for another round of reform. Guys, 208 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: thank you very much. It really was a great podcast. 209 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: It's Toby Manhire of The spin Off and David Farrett 210 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: of KIWI Blog and curiate. 211 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. 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