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Speaker 1: big names, the big issues, the big controversies and the

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Speaker 1: big conversations. It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine

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Speaker 3: Welcome into the last Saturday edition of Weekend Sport for

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Speaker 3: August twenty twenty four. It's August thirty one, last day

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Speaker 3: of winter, Berg Day, the sporting Birthdays. Happy birthday former

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Speaker 3: All Blacks Grant Batty and Karen Crowley, Happy Birthday, French

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Speaker 3: rugby legend Serge Blanco, Happy birthday former New Zualer medium

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Speaker 3: pacer Willie Watson and West Indian cricketing legend Clive Lloyd.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jason Pine. Show producer Andy McDonald's here too. We

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Speaker 3: are with you talking sport until three.

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Speaker 4: Attending a chance to a turnover that doesn't matter, it's over.

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Speaker 5: It's All Black's heartbreak in the City of Love.

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Speaker 6: The old foes.

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Speaker 5: South Africa when the Rugby.

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Speaker 7: World Cup to eleven in the World Cup.

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Speaker 3: Final, and that was the last time the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: played South Africa. The next one just under fifteen hours

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Speaker 3: away in Johannesburg. We have a full live commentary for

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Speaker 3: you right here on news Talks here'b from just before

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Speaker 3: three tomorrow morning. A decent chunk of the show this

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Speaker 3: afternoon is dedicated to previewing this Test match All Blacks

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Speaker 3: to a Test series victory in South Africa. Sean Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 3: standing by the chat with us. After one we'll get

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Speaker 3: a South African view from iconic spring box winger Braton Pulser.

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Speaker 3: Our rugby editor Elliott Smith out of joe Burg. The

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Speaker 3: pregame thoughts of key midfielder Jordi Barrett and your thoughts

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Speaker 3: absolutely encouraged on this massive test for Razors men. But

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Speaker 3: later on coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith with us with some

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Speaker 3: thoughts on the possible effects of Leon McDonald's departure from

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Speaker 3: the coaching group and how it might have been avoided

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Speaker 3: and is it absolutely necessary for members of a coaching

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Speaker 3: team to actually be friends with one another or as

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Speaker 3: conflict within a coaching group and challenging ideas and opinions

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Speaker 3: actually a good thing. Other matters around today next month,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand will compete at the fief of Futsal World

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Speaker 3: Cup for the very first time, and who's Beckistan Futswall

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Speaker 3: White's head coach Marvin Ekins is with us ahead of that,

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Speaker 3: and we'll cross the Tasman and Peacock having a well

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Speaker 3: couple of week break. Dan lonegan though in Melbourne on

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Speaker 3: Australian sporting matters heap Alive Sport to keep an eye

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Speaker 3: on this afternoon too. As you heard a Larjer say

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Speaker 3: in as Sports News. The night's action continues the US

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Speaker 3: Tennis Open, including Novak Djokovic's next match, which will be

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Speaker 3: Novak Djokovic in action on Arthur ash Stadium this afternoon,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand time in the evening in New York, so

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Speaker 3: we'll keep you across that close to home far of

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Speaker 3: Palmer Cup Rugba Tardanuky and Otago just underway a new

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Speaker 3: Bunning's ENDPC North Harbor against Counties Manco Albany five past

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Speaker 3: two this afternoon kickoff and Taranuki hosting Otago in New

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Speaker 3: Plymouth from two thirty five. There are Heartland Championship matches

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Speaker 3: as well this afternoon in Masterton or are Tortium, Ashburn

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Speaker 3: on ten and a half past midday.

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Speaker 1: The schoon from the track Fields and the Court on

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Speaker 1: your home of sport. Weekend Sport with Jason vine Us.

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Speaker 3: Talksb hugely anticipated Test match tomorrow morning, Alis Park and

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Speaker 3: Johannesburg All Black Spring Box three am, New Zealand. Time

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Speaker 3: to help preview this one, Let's bring in one of

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Speaker 3: our all time greats, Sean Fitzpatrick played one hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty eight games for the All Blacks, sixty two of

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Speaker 3: those as captain. Ninety two of the one hundred and

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Speaker 8: That dropped over the way to Frank Pont He's kept

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Speaker 8: No being out for New Zealand. Right running ball, no

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Speaker 10: The half been in.

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Speaker 8: South Africa by thirty great at twenty thick Potennis had

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Speaker 8: years after thirty camp back in nineteen twenty eight and

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Speaker 3: Sean Fitzpatrick is with us on Weekend Sports Seawan that

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six tour of South Africa. Hearing the late

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Speaker 3: Africa for the first time. When is that day right

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Speaker 3: among everything else that you achieved in the Black Jersey.

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Speaker 11: Well, I put some little smile on my face, Jason,

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Speaker 11: that's for sure. That good afternoon, good morning, pleasure to

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Speaker 11: I'm just going to South Africa and being in South

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Speaker 11: excited because it's a big challenge and John Hart and

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Speaker 11: the tunnel Loftus verse felt and said thank you, and

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Speaker 11: he was crying, saying thank you so much for doing

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Speaker 11: excited for Razor and this current team that they've got

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Speaker 3: Those images at the end of you sprawled on the

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Speaker 11: It's a very intimulating place to go, Jason, and to

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Speaker 11: thing is, Jason, that we're very similar. We have huge

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Speaker 11: And when they come to New Zealand, a huge challenge

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Speaker 11: the fans are relentless day in, day out, morning, night time.

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Speaker 11: They're telling you how the spring Boks are going to

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Speaker 3: What about playing at altitude Chornet? How different was it

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Speaker 11: It just it burns you a bit, and it just

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Speaker 11: call it Alice Parks, Alice Park, that's what it was

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Speaker 11: So you've got to deal with that. And you know,

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Speaker 11: you know, as I'm sure Raises telling them, you've got

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Speaker 12: I've well, I.

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Speaker 11: You know, the first sort of ten minutes, it will

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Speaker 3: Indeed, Sean, so great to get the chance to catch

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Speaker 3: Thanks Jason, Thanks Sean Fitzpatrick. They're one of the great,

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Speaker 3: I cannot remember looking forward to an All Blacks Test

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Speaker 3: If we want to know how good we are, let's

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Speaker 3: I but thanks for holding how are you?

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Speaker 12: Thank you?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, good things? Yeah yeah yeah yeah, and yeah I've

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Speaker 3: But my name is my name is, my name is Jason.

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Speaker 15: I have a good to have you with us, Jason, Jason, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: What gives you the confidence either, what is it that

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Speaker 15: You know, the the All Blacks over the years I've

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, I guess though you'll remember. I remember the

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Speaker 3: The wingers, and I think we feel like we're throwing

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Speaker 9: How good?

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Speaker 16: Thanks? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good, George, I'm good. Are your confident?

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Speaker 16: I don't necessarily want to relitigate last week's discussion on

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Speaker 16: a lead, the only coach in the environment who was

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Speaker 16: external to the Crusaders setup, and it just feels a

432
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Speaker 16: little bit like maybe he was the first person to

433
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Speaker 16: challenge Raiser in some of his thinking. And this is

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Speaker 16: a reflection on how open to feedback or challenging conversations

435
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Speaker 16: Raiser is, because you know, there's a fine balance between

436
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Speaker 16: being told what you want to hear from a coach

437
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Speaker 16: versus healthy levels of challenge, and I just wonder if

438
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Speaker 16: raisers pushback a bit too much quite quickly.

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Speaker 3: Interesting interesting point you makee George, I wonder when you do,

440
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Speaker 3: if you've got the chance to listen after two Wayne Goldsmith,

441
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Speaker 3: our coaching guru's on on that very topic, challenging coaches

442
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Speaker 3: within the environment. If you can't listen, you might be

443
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Speaker 3: able to listen back or find it somewhere. But it's

444
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Speaker 3: an interesting point. Jason Holland of course also outside that

445
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Speaker 3: Crusader's environment, so he's in there too. But yeah, we

446
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Speaker 3: haven't heard from Leon, which is I guess going to

447
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Speaker 3: have to wait again. We've extended the invitation to him

448
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Speaker 3: to join us, and eventually I'm sure he'll tell his

449
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Speaker 3: side of the story. But yeah, I guess they carry on.

450
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Speaker 3: They absorb responsibility among the rest of them, and let's

451
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Speaker 3: see how they go tomorrow morning. Whether it has any effect,

452
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Speaker 3: it'll be hard to tell, you know, whether it's kidney

453
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Speaker 3: quantifiable effect. We'll probably just have to make our own assumptions.

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Speaker 16: The only other quick one I wondered if you if

455
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Speaker 16: it was a question to lend Chris Lendram or someone

456
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Speaker 16: else there around what's Wayne Smith's involvement through the process

457
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Speaker 16: being because yeah, I understood Wayne Smith joined the environment

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Speaker 16: more from a coaching mentoring point of view. I thought

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Speaker 16: something like this and mediation of sorts would have been

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Speaker 16: right up as allie in terms of his experience. You know,

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Speaker 16: when he joined the orbleson oh four, I think with

462
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Speaker 16: Graham Henry he was close to walking out in that

463
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Speaker 16: year if I remember correctly, and you know, Steve Hansen

464
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Speaker 16: would have been a challenging assistant coach. I thought this

465
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Speaker 16: would be where Wayne Smith would earn his bread and butter.

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Speaker 16: So it will be interesting to get a comment from

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Speaker 16: those in the know as to how involved Wayne Smith

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Speaker 16: been through through the process of odd lyon departed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I read Gregor Paul in the ERLD yesterday and

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Speaker 3: his assessment or his fact finding on that had been

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Speaker 3: that there hadn't been any that this wasn't something that

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Speaker 3: Waynsmith got involved in an a mediation sense or anything

473
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Speaker 3: like that. So the answer I think is that he

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Speaker 3: wasn't involved. That was what I read from Gregor Paul

475
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Speaker 3: and the Herald yesterday. No problem to go to the wack,

476
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Speaker 3: go the A b's George, go on you mate, drive safe, Ah.

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Speaker 3: It's good to chat to you twenty eight away from

478
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Speaker 3: one eight hundred and eighty ten eighty years out number.

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Speaker 3: If you want to jump aboard nine two nine to

480
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Speaker 3: two on text, but the best way to get your

481
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Speaker 3: point across is on the phone. One spear line there

482
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Speaker 3: if you want to use it. We're back after this

483
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Speaker 3: on Weekend Sport.

484
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Speaker 1: One Grudge Hold Engage Weekend Sport with Jason Thame and GJ. Gunderholmes,

485
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Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News talks to.

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Speaker 3: Bailey five to one. Jared has reminded me or pointed

487
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Speaker 3: out to me and I think I knew this, but

488
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Speaker 3: I had to fact check it. Jonah never scored a

489
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Speaker 3: try against South Africa in any Test match twelve times

490
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Speaker 3: he played South Africa and didn't get a try. That's

491
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Speaker 3: remarkable considering he scored thirty seven tries in sixty three Tests.

492
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Speaker 3: The Great Great Man didn't get a single one and

493
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Speaker 3: twelve Test matches against South Africa. Thanks Jared. They clearly

494
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Speaker 3: worked him out, not just in the ninety five final,

495
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Speaker 3: but overall.

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Speaker 6: Just turn your radio.

497
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Speaker 3: Just turn your radio down there, mate, otherwise you'll hit

498
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Speaker 3: You'll hear two of me, mate, I think one's probably enough.

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Speaker 3: All right, good stuff. Make what's on your mind?

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Speaker 12: Well, I think it's gonna be really hard for the

501
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Speaker 12: All Black. But I think there's key key players that

502
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Speaker 12: depends on how they perform, they're gonna change the game.

503
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Speaker 12: I think they're gonna try to destroy McKenzie. I'll love McKenzie,

504
00:26:50,507 --> 00:26:53,067
Speaker 12: but when if they tried to put him down, it's

505
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Speaker 12: going to be trouble for us. And then Jordy, Jordy

506
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Speaker 12: Barretts another player. I think he can make a difference,

507
00:27:01,907 --> 00:27:07,467
Speaker 12: but yeah, yeah, some some can also if he's in

508
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Speaker 12: a good mood, I think we have a chance. But

509
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Speaker 12: that key players is staring a bad mood. I think

510
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Speaker 12: it's going to be really tough.

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Speaker 3: I think Sam Kane's only got one mood when it

512
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Speaker 3: comes to Test matches, Matt, and I think it is

513
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Speaker 3: just wholehearted commitment to the Black jersey. You know, there's

514
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Speaker 3: there's been a lot of criticism of him, you know,

515
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Speaker 3: around his captaincy and bits and pieces like that, and

516
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Speaker 3: I don't even think most that was just but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but he he honestly, he's He's one guy who hits

518
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Speaker 3: and hits hard and pushes guys back back, you know,

519
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Speaker 3: past the game line. He's a and I know he's

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Speaker 3: They've said that Dalton Papale's got a bit of an

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Speaker 3: injury and Sam Kines and that I would have had

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Speaker 3: Canaan there anyway for this one.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I just said the wrong way. It's not a

524
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Speaker 12: good is the mood is always the same. I think

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Speaker 12: they led him to show the other players he can

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Speaker 12: go forward and bring the line, et cetera. I think

527
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Speaker 12: that's the main thing that's going to change the game again.

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Speaker 3: Good man, Matt. I appreciate your thoughts, mate, I appreciate

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Speaker 3: them very much. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Corey

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Speaker 3: asks if we win both test matches, as that classed

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Speaker 3: as a series win, our second one ever, or doesn't

532
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Speaker 3: need to be three matches to be a series win.

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Speaker 3: I think since the Rugby Championships come in Corey, good question,

534
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's such a thing as a series

535
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Speaker 3: anymore against any of these sides. You could look at

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Speaker 3: a series within the Rugby Championship and say, right, we

537
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Speaker 3: play South Africa twice, so if we win them both,

538
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Speaker 3: do we win that little mini series. But I think

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Speaker 3: as far as test series against South Africa are concerned,

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Speaker 3: if we look at nineteen ninety six as the first

541
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Speaker 3: time we've ever done that yet had to be a

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Speaker 3: three match and you know, going back, we played four.

543
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Speaker 3: In fact, we played four that year. The first of

544
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Speaker 3: them though from memory, was a Rugby Championship Test which

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Speaker 3: we also won, and then there were three more which

546
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Speaker 3: then constituted the series in South Africa. Because I remember

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Speaker 3: looking at the nineteen ninety six results and saying, we

548
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Speaker 3: shually we won three tests before the fourth, which we lost.

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Speaker 3: But it was the fact that the first one didn't

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Speaker 3: count as part of the series.

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Speaker 6: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was It was a bit weird. It was a

553
00:29:12,827 --> 00:29:16,267
Speaker 3: bit weird, but it was iconic and just listening to

554
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Speaker 3: Fitz he talk about it. How good was that?

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Speaker 17: Hello?

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Speaker 6: Phil?

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Speaker 10: How are you?

558
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Speaker 14: Jason? Do I think fill a couple of stories from

559
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Speaker 14: nineteen fifty six? I remember seventies now, So we just

560
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Speaker 14: live on the past, you know, why not?

561
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Speaker 2: What I was eight?

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Speaker 14: I was eight in nineteen fifty six and all of

563
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Speaker 14: our parents and a lot of them all come back

564
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Speaker 14: from the war. And that was just rugby racing and beer.

565
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Speaker 14: And you know, I can still say all the names

566
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Speaker 14: of that spring Bot, Striden van Vollenhoff and I know

567
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Speaker 14: the whole team, you know, and it just got into

568
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Speaker 14: our DNA.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, my father went to Pets.

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Speaker 14: He went to some Petstown and then when they split

571
00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:04,227
Speaker 14: silver Stream, he went up to silver Stream. One of

572
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Speaker 14: his good friends at Saint Petstown was Winterton Carsie.

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Speaker 10: Oh wow.

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Speaker 14: And anyway, they lost touch. He was fourteen when they split,

575
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Speaker 14: and wins McCarty stayed at some Patstown and then they

576
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Speaker 14: met again eight years later in Stellar Gate B and

577
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Speaker 14: so you know, they renew their friendship. But we lived

578
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Speaker 14: in the hut and Winston used to come out to

579
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Speaker 14: our house and they all the war mates, Kevin Skinner

580
00:30:29,947 --> 00:30:32,147
Speaker 14: used to come out and they'd all drink that and

581
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Speaker 14: then Winston McCarthy would get up on the old bell

582
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Speaker 14: radio Bram and stand on the end of these lurid commentaries.

583
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Speaker 14: It was hilarious. And but anyway, after the tests, sty

584
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Speaker 14: was a sixty thousand people at of the Park and

585
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Speaker 14: I went to the New Zealand University's game. And when

586
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Speaker 14: it was announced that they were going to have a

587
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Speaker 14: kickoff Don Clark and Don Clark and Bob Scott the

588
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Speaker 14: Tony they were going to have a kickoff on the

589
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Speaker 14: Sunday morning, every kid in the Hut Valley went to

590
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Speaker 14: the the Tony Wreck rally.

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Speaker 18: Twenty fours.

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Speaker 14: And it was a lever ball wet was like a

593
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Speaker 14: brick and they started on the twenty five in those days,

594
00:31:11,467 --> 00:31:14,067
Speaker 14: and they went backwards, backwards, backwards, and they matched each

595
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Speaker 14: other for about five or six shots, and then Bob

596
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Speaker 14: Scott said, okay, bear feet and he kicked the ball

597
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Speaker 14: on the half way.

598
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Speaker 10: He kicked the ball on half way with.

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Speaker 14: Bare feet and got it over. Don Clark couldn't match that.

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Speaker 14: But anyway, that was a couple of things. But I

601
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Speaker 14: met Kevin Skinner. I didn't realize the importance, but then

602
00:31:36,947 --> 00:31:39,107
Speaker 14: I refereed for a lot of years after that and

603
00:31:39,587 --> 00:31:43,027
Speaker 14: we found out a few things. The spring Box arrived

604
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Speaker 14: with shoulder pads in that first Test where they crunched us,

605
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Speaker 14: and the second Test anyway, they there was no referees

606
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Speaker 14: can only administer law and there was no law for

607
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Speaker 14: shoulder pads, but there was no law against it.

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Speaker 3: So they wore shoulder pads and as you're talking about

609
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Speaker 3: the Test at Athletic Park.

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00:32:03,067 --> 00:32:05,947
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, yeah, lever shoulder pads and we found out

611
00:32:06,067 --> 00:32:08,947
Speaker 14: later that they had actually laced two strips of bamboo

612
00:32:09,027 --> 00:32:11,827
Speaker 14: into the shoulder pads and that's why they crunched us.

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00:32:13,547 --> 00:32:13,747
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: I bumped him to Kenvin Skinner.

615
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Speaker 2: Back and went way back in the eighties.

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Speaker 14: He came out and talked to us and I said,

617
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Speaker 14: is it true what happened at halftime? He said, what

618
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Speaker 14: do you mean? And I said that you went into

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Speaker 14: the addressing room. He said, oh yeah, he said. The

620
00:32:27,867 --> 00:32:30,187
Speaker 14: other prop left can Cast because he was a heavyweight

621
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Speaker 14: boxing champ up to nineteen fifty three at Kevin Skinner

622
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Speaker 14: and then he never played a Test match and they

623
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Speaker 14: brought him back to the fifty six Tests. The other

624
00:32:40,547 --> 00:32:42,947
Speaker 14: guy left can Cast halfway through that game and he

625
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Speaker 14: went apparently he went out to the dressing room and

626
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Speaker 14: dropped the other guy under an aquedic car.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love those stories to come out, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you, matey. Great to get your reminiscing maid.

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Speaker 3: You've got a you got a brilliant memory of nineteen

631
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Speaker 3: fifty six? Is that forty four cent? There's sixty eight

632
00:33:02,627 --> 00:33:05,827
Speaker 3: years ago now, Kriikee got on your feel brilliant stuff. Yeah,

633
00:33:05,827 --> 00:33:08,587
Speaker 3: that was That was a real test series, wasn't it

634
00:33:08,627 --> 00:33:10,307
Speaker 3: that nineteen fifty I was just looking at that as

635
00:33:10,347 --> 00:33:12,147
Speaker 3: you were talking to me. Then, I was just looking

636
00:33:12,227 --> 00:33:17,187
Speaker 3: up the scores in nineteen fifty six ten six to

637
00:33:17,267 --> 00:33:20,787
Speaker 3: the All Blacks and Dunedin eight three to South Africa

638
00:33:20,827 --> 00:33:24,027
Speaker 3: and Wellington seventeen to ten quite high scoring in christ

639
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Speaker 3: Church and then eleven five to the All Blacks in

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Speaker 3: Auckland for a three to one series win. Phil. I'm

641
00:33:29,187 --> 00:33:31,787
Speaker 3: sure you knew all those scores. Those are real rugby scores,

642
00:33:31,827 --> 00:33:34,147
Speaker 3: aren't they. None of this forty two thirty eight stuff.

643
00:33:34,907 --> 00:33:37,027
Speaker 3: Seventeen away from one. We're going to breakaway, come back

644
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Speaker 3: with more after this eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: If you want to jump aboard, you be the TMO

646
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Speaker 3: have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

647
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Speaker 3: Weekend Sport with Jason Tyme and GJ.

648
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Speaker 1: Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder news Dogs.

649
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Speaker 3: That'd be fourteen to one on text. Matt asks Jason,

650
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Speaker 3: did Norm Hewitt, who passed away recently, ever play against

651
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Speaker 3: South Africa? A good question, Matt, just the once. You remember,

652
00:34:01,467 --> 00:34:03,267
Speaker 3: of course that those were the days when we didn't

653
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Speaker 3: really roll the subs and so we had Jewn Fitzpatrick

654
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Speaker 3: on before Normal Hewitt had to sit on the bench.

655
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Speaker 3: And what Seawan Fitzpatrick play those ninety two Test matches

656
00:34:10,827 --> 00:34:13,387
Speaker 3: and very rarely got a chance. Only nine Test matches

657
00:34:13,427 --> 00:34:16,027
Speaker 3: Normal Hewett played. One of those was against South Africa

658
00:34:16,147 --> 00:34:19,027
Speaker 3: off the bench in nineteen ninety seven for a thirty

659
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Speaker 3: five thirty two to one. In fact, Norm Hewitt was

660
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Speaker 3: never on a losing all Black site in a Test match.

661
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Speaker 3: Thanks for the question, Matt Carlos. Were you there in

662
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six.

663
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Speaker 10: Yes, I was pioneer.

664
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Speaker 17: Yes, I was fortunate enough.

665
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Speaker 12: I went on the full tour. It was the old.

666
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Speaker 17: Through the old Sunday News. But anyway, long story short, Yeah,

667
00:34:39,347 --> 00:34:41,987
Speaker 17: we went on the full tour. I was fortunate enough

668
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Speaker 17: to be with Sir Needle Fred Allen and went there

669
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Speaker 17: and we went It was after Jeff Wilson got the

670
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Speaker 17: ball knocked out of his head from Gregan because it

671
00:34:54,107 --> 00:34:57,427
Speaker 17: was part of the city anyway, because exactly right you

672
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Speaker 17: said earlier, Pioneer Camptown was the first one and we

673
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Speaker 17: won there and then they had a week's rest, so

674
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Speaker 17: we went and watched Australia in Bloemfontaine versus South Africa,

675
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Speaker 17: and then of course the tour started.

676
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Speaker 12: After that. We played I think it was bowling for

677
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:20,667
Speaker 12: memory first Pontye, but anyway, went through all that.

678
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Speaker 17: She had a midweek game and of course they talked

679
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Speaker 17: with Sean Fitzpatrick, you know mentioned earlier thirty six players,

680
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Speaker 17: which was they had to and Hardy had that right

681
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Speaker 17: right from the word go, because they basically had yet

682
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Speaker 17: two teams, one midweek one for the main games. But

683
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Speaker 17: people crossed over like Pozzi and all of that, you know,

684
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Speaker 17: Glen Osborne, but yeah, he was au anyway, yeah ninety yeah,

685
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Speaker 17: So I happened to be there and the fortunate enough

686
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Speaker 17: mister Shelford brought a tour group over as well, and

687
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Speaker 17: he was for the King's Park with the first of

688
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Speaker 17: the official tests. And anyway, I was sitting there in

689
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Speaker 17: the stands next to a couple of people away was

690
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Speaker 17: an unbeaten coach and an unbeaten black. He kept in

691
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Speaker 17: their tears in my eyes and yeah, it was in Prectoria.

692
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Speaker 12: Yeah, it was just.

693
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Speaker 17: It was piney, it really was. It really was another thing, sorry,

694
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Speaker 17: just the gentleman who was touching on shoulder pads. There

695
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Speaker 17: was a guy from the All.

696
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Speaker 12: Blacks who wore them, and uh as well. His name

697
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Speaker 12: was Tiny White and he said he wore them to

698
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Speaker 12: protect you opposition.

699
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Speaker 3: When he tackled them, it was more like qushing. Was

700
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Speaker 3: it for the opponent rather than any weaponry for himself?

701
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Speaker 12: Correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was Tiny White and yeah

702
00:36:40,427 --> 00:36:43,787
Speaker 12: yeah yeah funny. But anyway, more importantly, going to ABS tonight.

703
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Speaker 12: The only one we did lose was in Dallas Park,

704
00:36:47,547 --> 00:36:50,107
Speaker 12: the final one, but I don't think it mattered too much.

705
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Speaker 12: The boys were celebrating pretty well after a series.

706
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Speaker 3: And I bet you were in the stands as well,

707
00:36:57,787 --> 00:36:59,947
Speaker 3: Carlo's good on you my, what a story terrific and

708
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Speaker 3: what yeh, what company to be in as well as

709
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Speaker 3: you were watching from from high up there and ed

710
00:37:04,947 --> 00:37:07,787
Speaker 3: loft us uh he in hearing Shawn Fitzpatrick say that

711
00:37:08,067 --> 00:37:10,707
Speaker 3: that once when they won that game, Don Clark, the

712
00:37:10,747 --> 00:37:15,187
Speaker 3: aforementioned Don Clark gave Mahagan said thank you, thank you

713
00:37:15,267 --> 00:37:17,907
Speaker 3: for doing something we weren't able to do. Yeah, show

714
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Speaker 3: just how much it meant. Good on your Carlos, appreciate

715
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Speaker 3: your call us always Hello.

716
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Speaker 19: Mark, good afternoonybody, very quietly confident. I'm about to go

717
00:37:26,547 --> 00:37:29,467
Speaker 19: down to the tab and put a lazy hungy on

718
00:37:29,747 --> 00:37:34,907
Speaker 19: on the all blacks. Maybe a piece of useless trema

719
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Speaker 19: for you and the listeners. The difference on altitude between

720
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Speaker 19: Eden Park and Alice Park. If you put five around

721
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Speaker 19: about five and a half skytel together end on end,

722
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Speaker 19: there's the difference in alfitude. The right much locust up

723
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Speaker 19: there is there.

724
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Speaker 3: No no and interesting to hear from and so interering

725
00:37:55,787 --> 00:37:59,587
Speaker 3: to here from from sorry Mark, interesting to hear from

726
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Speaker 3: Shawan Fitzpatrick that it burns most early on in the game,

727
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Speaker 3: but then you kind of I guess you're kind of acclimatized.

728
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Speaker 3: But if you've been there for a week then you know,

729
00:38:08,347 --> 00:38:11,427
Speaker 3: I presume anyway that you acclimatize yourself. That's the reason

730
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Speaker 3: they get over there for a week or so.

731
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Speaker 19: We see the skytowers three twenty eight Joberg it goes

732
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Speaker 19: joe Berg seventeen sixty. So there's a big difference in

733
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Speaker 19: there in.

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Speaker 3: The altitude, the difference, the difference mark Yeah, five skytowers.

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Speaker 3: I'll think about that as I watched them at Alice

736
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Speaker 3: Park talking to Elliott Smith after one o'clock. I heard

737
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Speaker 3: him on gold Sport earlier this week saying that he'd

738
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Speaker 3: got a nosebleed. He's never been to joe Berg before

739
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Speaker 3: and walking around, he just got the altitude nosebleed, which

740
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Speaker 3: is apparently quite common.

741
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Speaker 17: That you know.

742
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Speaker 3: You just I don't know what causes it. Presumably the

743
00:38:51,827 --> 00:38:55,187
Speaker 3: altitude does something to your nasal passages. I don't know,

744
00:38:55,707 --> 00:38:57,507
Speaker 3: but you know, he got a couple of nosebleeds, or

745
00:38:57,507 --> 00:38:59,827
Speaker 3: at least one anyway. And he also said that one

746
00:38:59,867 --> 00:39:02,867
Speaker 3: of the players did I guess when they're like, if

747
00:39:02,907 --> 00:39:06,147
Speaker 3: they're doing scrum practice, wouldn't matter what else you're out

748
00:39:06,187 --> 00:39:09,387
Speaker 3: that burst a couple of blood vessels, wouldn't it. And

749
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Speaker 3: numbers eight hundred and eighty ten eighty uh, Lance says,

750
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Speaker 3: tiny tiny hill wore the leather shoulder pads to protect

751
00:39:18,987 --> 00:39:22,147
Speaker 3: the opposition from his bony shoulders, not tiny white. He

752
00:39:22,267 --> 00:39:24,787
Speaker 3: still smashed them and tackles even with the pads. I

753
00:39:24,907 --> 00:39:28,587
Speaker 3: think that shows remarkable care for your fellow man to

754
00:39:28,667 --> 00:39:32,107
Speaker 3: think to yourself, I've got very bony shoulders, and if

755
00:39:32,147 --> 00:39:34,867
Speaker 3: I'm hitting these opponents with those bony shoulders, they might

756
00:39:34,907 --> 00:39:37,347
Speaker 3: come out second best. So what I'll do is I'll

757
00:39:37,427 --> 00:39:40,467
Speaker 3: pad my shoulders so that I don't hurt them so much.

758
00:39:40,547 --> 00:39:44,947
Speaker 3: I think that show's remarkable empathy for an opponent who

759
00:39:44,987 --> 00:39:46,947
Speaker 3: you're trying to succumb. Eight to one.

760
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Speaker 20: Talk be back after this breaking down the Hail Mary's

761
00:39:51,067 --> 00:39:52,707
Speaker 20: and the epic fails.

762
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Speaker 1: Weekends for it with Jason hin new Sork.

763
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Speaker 3: Zenb five to one. He's all Blacks Captain Scott Barrett

764
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Speaker 3: talking about playing at altitude.

765
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think this week, particularly Tuesday training with recently

766
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Speaker 13: felt it. And as the week's gone on, our preparations

767
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Speaker 13: improved and we've adapted to the conditions.

768
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Speaker 21: And I think it's the.

769
00:40:13,987 --> 00:40:14,907
Speaker 6: Same for both teams.

770
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Speaker 13: So you know, we'll look to play for eighty minutes

771
00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:22,627
Speaker 13: and you take the springbox deep.

772
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Speaker 3: And anything personal in this for any of the players

773
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Speaker 3: who were involved in the one point loss in the

774
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Speaker 3: Rugby World Cup final to the same opposition.

775
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Speaker 13: I can't change anything that happened from the final, probably

776
00:40:34,027 --> 00:40:38,147
Speaker 13: won't ever get over that. I think it's about this

777
00:40:38,307 --> 00:40:44,267
Speaker 13: group turning up tomorrow night and yeah, Alice Park against

778
00:40:44,267 --> 00:40:47,027
Speaker 13: the Springbox. No other test like it and that's what

779
00:40:47,107 --> 00:40:47,867
Speaker 13: we're excited about.

780
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Speaker 3: That is the voice of Scott Barrett back after a

781
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Speaker 3: couple of tests off with that hand injury on text Piny.

782
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Speaker 3: The thing that bothers me about the Springbok team is

783
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Speaker 3: the Tony Brown factor. RASI has brought him in to

784
00:40:59,147 --> 00:41:01,907
Speaker 3: bring the box lethal wingers into play more so than

785
00:41:01,947 --> 00:41:04,907
Speaker 3: in the past. Your good point, Breton Pulsa. Actually, after

786
00:41:04,947 --> 00:41:07,667
Speaker 3: one o'clock I'll ask him about Tony rounds influence on

787
00:41:07,747 --> 00:41:11,467
Speaker 3: this team in terms of a more expensive style of play.

788
00:41:11,907 --> 00:41:14,867
Speaker 3: I'll be up with marmite and cheese toasties and three,

789
00:41:14,947 --> 00:41:15,427
Speaker 3: says Rob.

790
00:41:15,467 --> 00:41:15,667
Speaker 21: Good on.

791
00:41:15,747 --> 00:41:18,227
Speaker 3: Your Rob was going to have a plan for nutrition,

792
00:41:18,627 --> 00:41:20,667
Speaker 3: Jim says, I'm confident this feels very much like the

793
00:41:20,707 --> 00:41:22,907
Speaker 3: Irish test at the Rugby World Cup. A lot of

794
00:41:22,987 --> 00:41:26,227
Speaker 3: payback ode and redemption for the entire team, but especially

795
00:41:26,867 --> 00:41:29,627
Speaker 3: Sam Kaine. I've got the All Blacks by ten, says

796
00:41:29,707 --> 00:41:33,187
Speaker 3: Jim Good on your Jim. The All Blacks are not

797
00:41:33,307 --> 00:41:35,147
Speaker 3: favorites of the tab, but if you want them by

798
00:41:35,227 --> 00:41:40,067
Speaker 3: thirteen and over six dollars, if you're that confident. Brighton

799
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Speaker 3: Paulson iconic spring box winger with us after one, the.

800
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Speaker 1: Only place to discuss the biggest fourse issues on and

801
00:41:49,027 --> 00:41:49,827
Speaker 1: after fields.

802
00:41:50,307 --> 00:41:52,067
Speaker 10: It's all on reejas.

803
00:41:51,587 --> 00:41:55,107
Speaker 1: Ford with Jason Vain on your home of Sport.

804
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Speaker 3: One seven. Welcome into Weekend Sport. We're here till three.

805
00:42:00,787 --> 00:42:04,227
Speaker 3: I'm Jason Pine and McDonald as executive producer of the show.

806
00:42:05,027 --> 00:42:08,987
Speaker 3: We're talking rugby mainly today. Regular listeners to ZEDB will

807
00:42:09,027 --> 00:42:11,387
Speaker 3: know we're also on the air on Sundays between midday

808
00:42:11,387 --> 00:42:15,147
Speaker 3: and three. So tomorrow I would imagine that we will

809
00:42:15,187 --> 00:42:18,707
Speaker 3: talk mainly about what happens at Ellis Park tomorrow morning

810
00:42:18,707 --> 00:42:20,427
Speaker 3: at three o'clock. We've got a full commentary for you

811
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Speaker 3: here on News Talks head Beat. Text through from char Piney.

812
00:42:24,387 --> 00:42:27,427
Speaker 3: I remember the fourth Test of the nineteen seventy series

813
00:42:27,467 --> 00:42:30,347
Speaker 3: in South Africa, Colin Meads played with a broken arm.

814
00:42:30,427 --> 00:42:33,467
Speaker 3: Jazz Muller and Keith Murdoch were our props. It was

815
00:42:33,507 --> 00:42:36,027
Speaker 3: the rocking days in a South African Ford got caught

816
00:42:36,067 --> 00:42:38,587
Speaker 3: over the ball. Well did our front row give him

817
00:42:38,667 --> 00:42:42,867
Speaker 3: or working over? He was spent out the back. Jazz Muller,

818
00:42:43,907 --> 00:42:46,987
Speaker 3: it says, was famous for cutting his hedge with a lawnmower.

819
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Speaker 10: Is there right?

820
00:42:49,267 --> 00:42:52,707
Speaker 3: Got a lawn mower up to cut his hedge. That's

821
00:42:52,707 --> 00:42:55,067
Speaker 3: the way to build up a body strength, isn't it.

822
00:42:55,867 --> 00:42:59,987
Speaker 3: Thank you for your text char this hour we're going

823
00:43:00,027 --> 00:43:01,787
Speaker 3: to continue our build up to this test match shortly

824
00:43:01,827 --> 00:43:04,947
Speaker 3: with braketon Pulse out of South Africa. Elliot Smith also

825
00:43:04,987 --> 00:43:08,027
Speaker 3: standing by for a chat and across to Australia. Adam

826
00:43:08,027 --> 00:43:10,667
Speaker 3: Peacock's away for a couple of weeks. In his place,

827
00:43:11,707 --> 00:43:15,947
Speaker 3: Dan Lonigan going to join us with some Australian sporting musings.

828
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Speaker 3: Speaking of which, there's an Australian on Arthur Ash Stadium

829
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Speaker 3: at the moment at Flushing Meadows taking on Novak Djokovic

830
00:43:24,067 --> 00:43:29,427
Speaker 3: at the US Open, Alexei Popperin. He's serving at three

831
00:43:29,667 --> 00:43:32,267
Speaker 3: four down and with the advantage in fact, he's just

832
00:43:32,307 --> 00:43:33,867
Speaker 3: closed out the eighth game of the first set. So

833
00:43:34,027 --> 00:43:37,987
Speaker 3: for all on serve Novak Djokovic and Alexi Poperin in

834
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Speaker 3: their match, so we'll talk a bit of tennis some

835
00:43:42,307 --> 00:43:46,387
Speaker 3: other Australian sporting matters as well. Your calls and correspondents

836
00:43:46,787 --> 00:43:49,907
Speaker 3: continue to be welcomed. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

837
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Speaker 3: eight f I number nine two nine two is our

838
00:43:51,667 --> 00:43:55,027
Speaker 3: text line Jason at NEWSTALKZB dot co dot MZ if

839
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Speaker 3: you would like to send a text Let's get a

840
00:43:56,947 --> 00:43:59,067
Speaker 3: South African view though on this Test match. From an

841
00:43:59,107 --> 00:44:04,947
Speaker 3: absolute spring Box legend, exceptional wing Brighton Paulser played sixty

842
00:44:05,067 --> 00:44:08,347
Speaker 3: four Test matches for the spring Box between nineteen ninety

843
00:44:08,427 --> 00:44:10,707
Speaker 3: nine and two thousand and seven, went to the nineteen

844
00:44:10,787 --> 00:44:13,507
Speaker 3: ninety nine and two thousand and three Rugby World Cups.

845
00:44:13,947 --> 00:44:17,587
Speaker 3: His lightning pace and acute game awareness saw him become

846
00:44:17,627 --> 00:44:20,947
Speaker 3: one of the most prolific try scorers in the modern era.

847
00:44:21,067 --> 00:44:24,667
Speaker 3: Twenty six tries across his sixty four Test matches, including

848
00:44:25,107 --> 00:44:27,987
Speaker 3: this one against the All Blacks and a forty twenty

849
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Speaker 3: six win at Alice Park in two thousand and four

850
00:44:31,187 --> 00:44:33,427
Speaker 3: to merchants.

851
00:44:34,387 --> 00:44:38,307
Speaker 22: Millie as well tackled their well the Park Greater Colsa

852
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Speaker 22: Kunradi p ninety's got it kN ninty ft.

853
00:44:42,267 --> 00:44:47,387
Speaker 3: Pita Yeah, Famous try by Paulser and a victory at

854
00:44:47,427 --> 00:44:49,747
Speaker 3: Alis Park. He also scored thirty eight tries in eighty

855
00:44:49,827 --> 00:44:53,547
Speaker 3: one games for his beloved Stormers. Following his playing career,

856
00:44:53,747 --> 00:44:57,947
Speaker 3: he became a popular commentator, presenter and analyst. Brighton Paulser

857
00:44:58,227 --> 00:44:59,387
Speaker 3: is with us, how are you mate?

858
00:45:00,307 --> 00:45:03,147
Speaker 21: Thanks, adding me James. I'll tell you what the excitement

859
00:45:03,187 --> 00:45:05,027
Speaker 21: is that advocate at the moment. It's unreal. I wish

860
00:45:05,067 --> 00:45:07,387
Speaker 21: he could be here to experience what we experienced at

861
00:45:07,427 --> 00:45:07,707
Speaker 21: the moment.

862
00:45:07,747 --> 00:45:10,067
Speaker 4: It feels like building up to the World Cup final

863
00:45:10,067 --> 00:45:12,547
Speaker 4: of last year and obviously we all know what happened,

864
00:45:12,587 --> 00:45:15,267
Speaker 4: but there's huge excitement. But I can tell you one

865
00:45:15,347 --> 00:45:19,867
Speaker 4: thing that there's no underestimating from the spring Books.

866
00:45:20,267 --> 00:45:22,067
Speaker 21: You know, for the All Blacks.

867
00:45:22,107 --> 00:45:24,827
Speaker 4: I mean, we all know that even though the All

868
00:45:24,867 --> 00:45:27,227
Speaker 4: Blacks haven't hit their steps, in my opinion, I think

869
00:45:27,547 --> 00:45:30,787
Speaker 4: there's lots of room for improvement. There's mutual respect and

870
00:45:31,147 --> 00:45:34,707
Speaker 4: it's a quiet sort of nervousness amongst the fans especially.

871
00:45:34,907 --> 00:45:37,787
Speaker 4: So I tell you what, Even me, I'm a little

872
00:45:37,827 --> 00:45:40,667
Speaker 4: bit nervous when the Springboks going in as favorites.

873
00:45:41,227 --> 00:45:41,867
Speaker 21: We don't like that.

874
00:45:42,227 --> 00:45:45,547
Speaker 3: We like to be in any kind of game well,

875
00:45:45,587 --> 00:45:47,147
Speaker 3: it's a rare feeling, as you know for the All

876
00:45:47,187 --> 00:45:49,827
Speaker 3: Blacks because they more often than not our favorites. But

877
00:45:49,987 --> 00:45:52,427
Speaker 3: like I think everybody can say what happened in the

878
00:45:52,467 --> 00:45:54,387
Speaker 3: Rugby World Cup final and can see what's happened in

879
00:45:54,427 --> 00:45:56,987
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four right now, be interested in your view

880
00:45:57,067 --> 00:45:59,507
Speaker 3: on the spring Box of twenty twenty four. I've heard

881
00:45:59,547 --> 00:46:01,827
Speaker 3: it suggested they're a better team than the one that

882
00:46:01,867 --> 00:46:03,947
Speaker 3: won the Rugby World Cup. What's your assessment on that.

883
00:46:04,987 --> 00:46:08,627
Speaker 4: Yes, they are in because you guys borrowed us Tony Brown.

884
00:46:09,347 --> 00:46:12,307
Speaker 4: He's been doing some great work behind the scenes. And

885
00:46:12,427 --> 00:46:14,587
Speaker 4: let me tell you, when you look at stats and

886
00:46:14,667 --> 00:46:17,147
Speaker 4: obviously when we have to prepare for rugby games, you

887
00:46:17,227 --> 00:46:18,987
Speaker 4: look at kind of states. Not that it will make

888
00:46:19,027 --> 00:46:22,027
Speaker 4: a big difference, but one step that's quite remarkable is

889
00:46:22,107 --> 00:46:24,427
Speaker 4: the amount of passing that the Springboks have been doing

890
00:46:24,987 --> 00:46:28,267
Speaker 4: compared to previous years. And I think they kind of

891
00:46:28,387 --> 00:46:31,347
Speaker 4: earn the respect and that's why another master stroke by

892
00:46:31,427 --> 00:46:35,587
Speaker 4: Russi Rasmus bringing in Tony Brown purely for the attacking

893
00:46:35,667 --> 00:46:38,427
Speaker 4: game for the spring Box which has been lacking. If

894
00:46:38,467 --> 00:46:40,907
Speaker 4: you have a lot of likes of chest and Colby Macazoli,

895
00:46:40,987 --> 00:46:43,347
Speaker 4: my pimpy curtly out answer. You want to get the

896
00:46:43,467 --> 00:46:47,187
Speaker 4: ball into those fellows hands. They do create danger, they

897
00:46:47,307 --> 00:46:50,067
Speaker 4: do create players, and that's what you want all the time.

898
00:46:50,387 --> 00:46:52,627
Speaker 4: But in saying that, the World Cup, we want it

899
00:46:53,027 --> 00:46:55,507
Speaker 4: because we are so good in our the fensive system

900
00:46:55,867 --> 00:46:59,187
Speaker 4: and we pressurize teams and we also well conditioned. The

901
00:46:59,307 --> 00:47:01,587
Speaker 4: last ten minutes the boys go up another notch and

902
00:47:01,747 --> 00:47:04,027
Speaker 4: other teams sort of crack. They can put it that way,

903
00:47:04,107 --> 00:47:07,227
Speaker 4: so the attacking flare of what only brown is brought

904
00:47:07,267 --> 00:47:10,587
Speaker 4: to the steam. They not they yet, it's work in progress,

905
00:47:10,987 --> 00:47:13,427
Speaker 4: but they don't mind having a go when it's on,

906
00:47:13,707 --> 00:47:16,507
Speaker 4: like the Orblets you know of ten years ago when

907
00:47:16,547 --> 00:47:19,547
Speaker 4: they were unstoppable and throwing the ball around. When they

908
00:47:19,747 --> 00:47:21,187
Speaker 4: really soften up the guys up front.

909
00:47:21,747 --> 00:47:23,427
Speaker 3: One thing that we know we're always going to get

910
00:47:23,467 --> 00:47:26,227
Speaker 3: from South African side is physicality. And you've talked there

911
00:47:26,267 --> 00:47:29,187
Speaker 3: about the the perhaps more expansive attacking game, but it's

912
00:47:29,227 --> 00:47:32,227
Speaker 3: the physicality of the spring box Ford Pack in particular

913
00:47:32,307 --> 00:47:33,947
Speaker 3: still at the heart of what they do.

914
00:47:35,427 --> 00:47:38,307
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the core and that's what they believe in.

915
00:47:38,427 --> 00:47:41,427
Speaker 4: I think that's uniqueness of any South African team, whether

916
00:47:41,467 --> 00:47:43,547
Speaker 4: you're playing in the lower divisions or whether you play

917
00:47:44,587 --> 00:47:47,867
Speaker 4: at the URC level or Super Rugby level. South African teams,

918
00:47:48,067 --> 00:47:50,107
Speaker 4: first and foremost, the guys want to scrum, they want

919
00:47:50,187 --> 00:47:51,907
Speaker 4: to rock, they want to mal, they want.

920
00:47:51,787 --> 00:47:53,987
Speaker 21: To bully people, so they will never go away.

921
00:47:54,227 --> 00:47:57,667
Speaker 4: But now you're adding the likes of Jesse Grill, Damidda

922
00:47:57,667 --> 00:48:01,427
Speaker 4: Alende Apple fussy, aren't Satain Colby's. Those guys want to

923
00:48:01,507 --> 00:48:04,187
Speaker 4: run the ball and it must be fustrating for them

924
00:48:04,187 --> 00:48:05,307
Speaker 4: at times just to chase balls.

925
00:48:05,347 --> 00:48:06,187
Speaker 21: And they're doing it so well.

926
00:48:06,227 --> 00:48:09,267
Speaker 4: But now when it's on they will give a call

927
00:48:09,307 --> 00:48:11,307
Speaker 4: from the outside and the ball will go to the wingers.

928
00:48:11,547 --> 00:48:15,947
Speaker 4: Their first try up a fussy against the Australian team.

929
00:48:16,387 --> 00:48:18,427
Speaker 4: I was extent studio that day and we analyzed it

930
00:48:18,627 --> 00:48:21,147
Speaker 4: and back in the day or last year, when they

931
00:48:21,187 --> 00:48:23,587
Speaker 4: turn over ball they will kick it away. Now it's

932
00:48:23,627 --> 00:48:26,227
Speaker 4: going through the hands, from props, from locks.

933
00:48:26,107 --> 00:48:28,107
Speaker 21: To the wingers and to the outside channel.

934
00:48:28,187 --> 00:48:30,627
Speaker 4: So that is quite exciting from a South Afican's perspective,

935
00:48:30,787 --> 00:48:33,387
Speaker 4: but it's they're not there yet. They know they will

936
00:48:33,507 --> 00:48:35,867
Speaker 4: need to work at what Tony Brown will probably take

937
00:48:35,867 --> 00:48:38,027
Speaker 4: a year for them to get the balance, right. I

938
00:48:38,267 --> 00:48:40,907
Speaker 4: think it's all about the balance and people like this

939
00:48:41,067 --> 00:48:43,547
Speaker 4: team because now you know, I always say it's the

940
00:48:43,627 --> 00:48:46,187
Speaker 4: chairman of the little men. Little guys also get opportunities,

941
00:48:46,707 --> 00:48:50,427
Speaker 4: likely andystan Kobe, so that's fantastic. These guys are absolute

942
00:48:50,507 --> 00:48:51,267
Speaker 4: heros at the moment.

943
00:48:51,307 --> 00:48:53,987
Speaker 3: In South Africa, Fli Fassi is an interesting one. Has

944
00:48:54,027 --> 00:48:56,347
Speaker 3: say now gone past Willie Larobe as the first choice

945
00:48:56,347 --> 00:48:56,747
Speaker 3: fall back.

946
00:48:57,827 --> 00:48:59,827
Speaker 21: Yeah, I wouldn't say that as yet.

947
00:49:00,787 --> 00:49:02,627
Speaker 4: If you look again at his stats, you all c

948
00:49:03,227 --> 00:49:05,707
Speaker 4: it was first in terms of line breaks, meters made

949
00:49:05,987 --> 00:49:07,227
Speaker 4: all their beautiful stuff.

950
00:49:07,787 --> 00:49:10,187
Speaker 21: But I think he's worked on his abial skills.

951
00:49:10,227 --> 00:49:13,987
Speaker 4: He worked on little sort of shortcomings that the coaching

952
00:49:14,067 --> 00:49:17,507
Speaker 4: staff required of him. And I think in a difficult

953
00:49:17,547 --> 00:49:19,707
Speaker 4: season for him at the Sharks, the Sharks had so

954
00:49:19,747 --> 00:49:20,787
Speaker 4: many spring books, but they.

955
00:49:20,787 --> 00:49:23,387
Speaker 21: Kept losing in ULC. They were our worst team, the

956
00:49:23,427 --> 00:49:25,987
Speaker 21: biggest budget. It didn't win for them.

957
00:49:26,107 --> 00:49:28,867
Speaker 4: So Apeli Fuss he was the one shining light in

958
00:49:28,947 --> 00:49:31,627
Speaker 4: the Sharks team. And I think Russi e Rasmus when

959
00:49:31,747 --> 00:49:33,667
Speaker 4: when a player is so good, when he is in

960
00:49:33,827 --> 00:49:36,827
Speaker 4: so much good form, they tend to stick with him

961
00:49:37,147 --> 00:49:40,187
Speaker 4: the same like Sasha find Look and gomo Zulu. I

962
00:49:40,347 --> 00:49:43,307
Speaker 4: tell you what, Jameson, I'm just surprised at a check

963
00:49:43,347 --> 00:49:45,747
Speaker 4: to his dad the other day. I can't believe how

964
00:49:45,827 --> 00:49:48,867
Speaker 4: calm that that that young man is. He's absolutely calm.

965
00:49:49,147 --> 00:49:51,387
Speaker 4: It's almost like he's been waiting for this moment and

966
00:49:51,467 --> 00:49:55,147
Speaker 4: he belongs there. He's really taken like a duck to water.

967
00:49:55,307 --> 00:49:58,067
Speaker 4: And it's quite incredible to see when young players come

968
00:49:58,107 --> 00:50:01,147
Speaker 4: in to the side, they just enjoy the environment and

969
00:50:01,307 --> 00:50:04,827
Speaker 4: they thrive under those pressure situations because as you know,

970
00:50:05,107 --> 00:50:07,467
Speaker 4: like New Zealand, so fans are.

971
00:50:07,667 --> 00:50:09,587
Speaker 21: Ruthbus you know, if you don't move on, they want

972
00:50:09,667 --> 00:50:09,987
Speaker 21: you out.

973
00:50:10,267 --> 00:50:11,947
Speaker 4: But at the moment we're going through a good time

974
00:50:11,987 --> 00:50:14,187
Speaker 4: and it's been like that for the last five six

975
00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:17,267
Speaker 4: years and people just love it. There's no single ticket,

976
00:50:17,347 --> 00:50:19,227
Speaker 4: jays I tell you people are mates of one are

977
00:50:19,267 --> 00:50:22,467
Speaker 4: still phoning me. I'm getting so unfit. There's no single ticket.

978
00:50:22,467 --> 00:50:25,627
Speaker 4: And I tell you what, even next week, if South

979
00:50:25,667 --> 00:50:28,747
Speaker 4: Africa hit two stadiums, Oh there was a stadium that

980
00:50:28,787 --> 00:50:30,787
Speaker 4: could take one hundred and fifty thousand people, it would

981
00:50:30,787 --> 00:50:33,107
Speaker 4: have been sold on tape. Tom also is waiting in

982
00:50:33,227 --> 00:50:35,867
Speaker 4: the wings. But this week it's going to be incredible

983
00:50:36,467 --> 00:50:39,147
Speaker 4: the weather. Today's a bacheli, but tomorrow should be fine

984
00:50:39,347 --> 00:50:41,027
Speaker 4: and altitude is going to play a role.

985
00:50:41,427 --> 00:50:43,667
Speaker 21: Were all so excited. I hope you guys do.

986
00:50:43,907 --> 00:50:46,067
Speaker 3: Oh, we really are. I can sense it in your voice. Brighton.

987
00:50:46,107 --> 00:50:47,787
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the altitude thing, because

988
00:50:47,787 --> 00:50:49,627
Speaker 3: of course you were baseminly in Cape Town with the

989
00:50:49,667 --> 00:50:52,347
Speaker 3: Stormers during your career. When you had to go to

990
00:50:52,507 --> 00:50:55,467
Speaker 3: Altitude to Pretoria to joe Burg, did you feel the

991
00:50:55,507 --> 00:50:56,067
Speaker 3: effects of it?

992
00:50:57,227 --> 00:50:59,427
Speaker 4: Yes, oh, yes, oh yes, it does play a role.

993
00:50:59,907 --> 00:51:03,307
Speaker 4: But we're living in modern times and science plays a

994
00:51:03,307 --> 00:51:06,067
Speaker 4: big role these days. We look at I was covering

995
00:51:06,067 --> 00:51:10,027
Speaker 4: the I'll See Final when the Blue Bulls played the

996
00:51:10,107 --> 00:51:13,427
Speaker 4: Glasgow Warriors, and let me tell you, altitude didn't play

997
00:51:13,427 --> 00:51:15,547
Speaker 4: it all the day. In fact, it was reversed the

998
00:51:15,627 --> 00:51:17,907
Speaker 4: last twenty minutes of Glasgow were out of the game.

999
00:51:18,267 --> 00:51:21,107
Speaker 4: They upped the speed and they took the game away

1000
00:51:21,627 --> 00:51:24,387
Speaker 4: from the Bulls and they ultimately won the game. Coming

1001
00:51:24,467 --> 00:51:27,707
Speaker 4: back to two years ago, we came from um Bumbela

1002
00:51:27,907 --> 00:51:30,747
Speaker 4: where the box were in control. The beat your your blocks,

1003
00:51:32,107 --> 00:51:34,227
Speaker 4: not easily, but they were in control for the whole game.

1004
00:51:34,427 --> 00:51:35,387
Speaker 21: We went to Ellis Park.

1005
00:51:35,867 --> 00:51:38,427
Speaker 4: You guys came played a high tempo, high paced game,

1006
00:51:38,667 --> 00:51:42,347
Speaker 4: and I feel, I feel, if the Old Blacks do

1007
00:51:42,467 --> 00:51:44,347
Speaker 4: have a chance in beating the Box, they need to

1008
00:51:44,427 --> 00:51:47,787
Speaker 4: start running from the beginning and get that out of

1009
00:51:47,867 --> 00:51:50,867
Speaker 4: your system. When we used to play the Lions at

1010
00:51:50,907 --> 00:51:53,507
Speaker 4: Ellis Park, we used to go very hard the first

1011
00:51:53,547 --> 00:51:56,147
Speaker 4: fifteen minutes in terms of throwing the ball around, so

1012
00:51:56,267 --> 00:51:58,387
Speaker 4: you can get that what we call that second wind.

1013
00:51:59,187 --> 00:52:01,507
Speaker 21: And for me, ver is key for the Old Blex.

1014
00:52:01,547 --> 00:52:03,547
Speaker 4: And I know Razor, I've got so much respect from

1015
00:52:03,627 --> 00:52:05,587
Speaker 4: played against him many a time, you know, and I

1016
00:52:05,627 --> 00:52:07,347
Speaker 4: do feel is a really credible coach.

1017
00:52:07,187 --> 00:52:09,707
Speaker 21: And he's still trying to find his feet. But he

1018
00:52:10,307 --> 00:52:10,867
Speaker 21: came to South.

1019
00:52:10,707 --> 00:52:12,867
Speaker 4: Africa lots and he played their lots, he coached their lots,

1020
00:52:12,907 --> 00:52:14,587
Speaker 4: he won their lots, he had success their lots.

1021
00:52:14,867 --> 00:52:17,227
Speaker 21: So for me, if the All Blacks stands to stand the.

1022
00:52:17,267 --> 00:52:20,107
Speaker 4: Chance, they need to go hard the first twenty months,

1023
00:52:20,227 --> 00:52:22,427
Speaker 4: just throw the ball around and see what the books

1024
00:52:22,467 --> 00:52:22,827
Speaker 4: can do.

1025
00:52:23,187 --> 00:52:27,147
Speaker 3: Encountering that as a spring Box player and now as

1026
00:52:27,187 --> 00:52:29,787
Speaker 3: a as a spring Box fan and speaking for all

1027
00:52:29,827 --> 00:52:32,547
Speaker 3: spring Box fans, I guess Brighton, is there still something

1028
00:52:32,587 --> 00:52:35,027
Speaker 3: special about the black jersey? About playing against the All Blacks.

1029
00:52:35,067 --> 00:52:36,947
Speaker 3: What was there for you when you were a spring

1030
00:52:36,987 --> 00:52:37,507
Speaker 3: Box player?

1031
00:52:38,587 --> 00:52:42,587
Speaker 21: Oh yes, oh yes still still. I know New Zealand's

1032
00:52:42,627 --> 00:52:43,907
Speaker 21: going through a bit of a rock patch, and.

1033
00:52:45,507 --> 00:52:47,867
Speaker 4: We as Springbok players and X spring Book players, we

1034
00:52:47,987 --> 00:52:49,027
Speaker 4: can never write them off.

1035
00:52:49,347 --> 00:52:51,427
Speaker 21: That is the talk from you know, X.

1036
00:52:51,427 --> 00:52:55,347
Speaker 4: Spring Box and analyst and guys who actually who's actually

1037
00:52:55,427 --> 00:52:58,307
Speaker 4: been there a wounded All blackers like a wounded Springbok.

1038
00:52:58,547 --> 00:52:59,387
Speaker 21: When those guys are.

1039
00:52:59,387 --> 00:53:03,267
Speaker 4: Angry, they come at you with desperation, and that means

1040
00:53:03,587 --> 00:53:06,987
Speaker 4: they have ever chance. So you know, even when I

1041
00:53:07,107 --> 00:53:09,427
Speaker 4: became a Springbook I look at the calendar, I'm like, Okay,

1042
00:53:09,427 --> 00:53:10,947
Speaker 4: when I'm playing the old Becks, you know, you can't

1043
00:53:11,027 --> 00:53:12,707
Speaker 4: kind of we can't wait to play the Olblecks.

1044
00:53:12,867 --> 00:53:14,867
Speaker 21: And I'm sure the same for the Orbox. So the

1045
00:53:15,067 --> 00:53:18,387
Speaker 21: rivalry is back to where it was supposed.

1046
00:53:17,987 --> 00:53:20,147
Speaker 4: To be, like you know, like hundred the last hundred years,

1047
00:53:20,147 --> 00:53:22,707
Speaker 4: and I think there's wonderful And because the Olblecks to

1048
00:53:22,747 --> 00:53:26,227
Speaker 4: a certain extent are building in a sort of phase

1049
00:53:26,307 --> 00:53:29,547
Speaker 4: where they not sure what to do week in and

1050
00:53:29,627 --> 00:53:31,987
Speaker 4: week out, but we could.

1051
00:53:31,907 --> 00:53:33,307
Speaker 21: Not underestimate the All Bit team.

1052
00:53:33,467 --> 00:53:36,987
Speaker 4: The respect is absolutely insane and I think from asut

1053
00:53:37,027 --> 00:53:39,547
Speaker 4: African perspective. You know people also, I mean capet On

1054
00:53:40,067 --> 00:53:42,027
Speaker 4: tell you you guys got so many fans in cape

1055
00:53:42,107 --> 00:53:44,227
Speaker 4: On for instance, so the Olblegs will feel they played

1056
00:53:44,307 --> 00:53:44,947
Speaker 4: home next week.

1057
00:53:45,187 --> 00:53:48,427
Speaker 21: So it shows you that the mutual respect is there

1058
00:53:48,507 --> 00:53:49,867
Speaker 21: and we we love to see it.

1059
00:53:50,027 --> 00:53:51,507
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love to say it as well. Bright and

1060
00:53:51,547 --> 00:53:53,787
Speaker 3: I've just so enjoyed chatting to you and getting a

1061
00:53:53,867 --> 00:53:56,347
Speaker 3: sense of the occasion over there. We're very envious on

1062
00:53:56,467 --> 00:53:58,347
Speaker 3: the side of the world that we can't get up

1063
00:53:58,347 --> 00:54:00,867
Speaker 3: close and personal, but we'll be watching from afar and

1064
00:54:01,267 --> 00:54:04,067
Speaker 3: really curious to see what happens. Really appreciate you taking

1065
00:54:04,067 --> 00:54:05,707
Speaker 3: the time to join us across New Zealand today.

1066
00:54:06,587 --> 00:54:08,347
Speaker 21: Thank you, Jas and enjoyed the game.

1067
00:54:08,467 --> 00:54:12,027
Speaker 3: You enjoyed the game too, Breton, Breton Poulsel the top man. Jeez,

1068
00:54:12,067 --> 00:54:14,587
Speaker 3: you can just feel the excitement card you. Texts are here.

1069
00:54:14,587 --> 00:54:17,907
Speaker 3: I'm getting goosebumps just listening to this chat. I am too.

1070
00:54:19,147 --> 00:54:20,947
Speaker 3: Let's open the lines again. Oh eight hundred and eighty

1071
00:54:21,027 --> 00:54:23,427
Speaker 3: ten eighty if you couldn't get through before one, a

1072
00:54:23,547 --> 00:54:26,747
Speaker 3: chance to make a point now, ticks are here. The

1073
00:54:26,787 --> 00:54:29,787
Speaker 3: absolute joy of watching the All Blacks beats South Africa

1074
00:54:29,827 --> 00:54:33,267
Speaker 3: thirty five thirty two at the Alice Park Cauldron in

1075
00:54:33,387 --> 00:54:37,747
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, Hostile big Time. The overriding memory was

1076
00:54:37,787 --> 00:54:39,827
Speaker 3: Frank Bunch running towards me to score one of his

1077
00:54:39,947 --> 00:54:42,227
Speaker 3: two tries. I remember that test match, or I remember

1078
00:54:42,267 --> 00:54:45,227
Speaker 3: the second of Frank Bunch's tries. I'm pretty sure this

1079
00:54:45,347 --> 00:54:47,307
Speaker 3: is the game that you're talking about here. He got

1080
00:54:47,347 --> 00:54:49,147
Speaker 3: it on about halfway and he set off, and he

1081
00:54:49,267 --> 00:54:52,227
Speaker 3: had plenty of defenders to beat, and he had the

1082
00:54:52,347 --> 00:54:55,067
Speaker 3: likes of Christian Cullen and Josh Cronfeld inevitably was on

1083
00:54:55,187 --> 00:54:57,827
Speaker 3: his shoulder, and Tane Randall was there or thereabouts as well.

1084
00:54:57,827 --> 00:55:00,267
Speaker 3: But he just kept going and going and going, and

1085
00:55:00,347 --> 00:55:02,267
Speaker 3: he beat the last two defenders on the line and

1086
00:55:02,347 --> 00:55:05,627
Speaker 3: scored a terrific try. Thirty five thirty two, Alice Park,

1087
00:55:06,547 --> 00:55:11,707
Speaker 3: ninety seven. Terrific Ellis Park. There's been a lot of

1088
00:55:11,787 --> 00:55:16,907
Speaker 3: talk about the vociferous home support playing at altitude, but

1089
00:55:17,507 --> 00:55:21,467
Speaker 3: we actually do okay in Joe Burke, although I had

1090
00:55:21,507 --> 00:55:24,027
Speaker 3: a check in, games there in recent times have been

1091
00:55:24,107 --> 00:55:26,587
Speaker 3: pretty few and far between. In fact, this is only

1092
00:55:26,627 --> 00:55:29,907
Speaker 3: the fifth game at Alice Park between the All Blacks

1093
00:55:29,907 --> 00:55:34,547
Speaker 3: and the spring Box since two thousand and four. There

1094
00:55:34,627 --> 00:55:36,067
Speaker 3: was the Test two years ago. The last time we

1095
00:55:36,147 --> 00:55:38,267
Speaker 3: were there was two years ago, remember when the All

1096
00:55:38,267 --> 00:55:41,627
Speaker 3: Blacks basically saved Ian Foster's job scoring a couple of

1097
00:55:41,707 --> 00:55:43,827
Speaker 3: late tries. They won thirty five twenty three. The time

1098
00:55:43,867 --> 00:55:48,947
Speaker 3: before that twenty fifteen, a twenty seven twenty victory ahead

1099
00:55:48,947 --> 00:55:50,467
Speaker 3: of the Rugby World Cup there, which of course we

1100
00:55:50,507 --> 00:55:53,547
Speaker 3: also won, beating South Africa in the semifinals. The time

1101
00:55:53,627 --> 00:55:59,267
Speaker 3: before that was twenty fourteen replacement first five Pat Lambie

1102
00:55:59,987 --> 00:56:02,467
Speaker 3: landing a fifty two meter penalty with a minute to

1103
00:56:02,547 --> 00:56:06,227
Speaker 3: go to give South Africa a twenty seven twenty five

1104
00:56:06,427 --> 00:56:11,387
Speaker 3: when that ended a twenty two game unbeaten run, and

1105
00:56:11,467 --> 00:56:14,027
Speaker 3: we won there in twenty thirteen thirty eight twenty seven,

1106
00:56:14,067 --> 00:56:17,187
Speaker 3: scoring five tries. So that's three wins in the last four.

1107
00:56:17,307 --> 00:56:19,147
Speaker 3: We shouldn't fear the venue. I don't reckon as much

1108
00:56:19,187 --> 00:56:22,547
Speaker 3: as perhaps has been made out. Oh eight hundred and

1109
00:56:22,547 --> 00:56:24,707
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is our number nine two ninety two.

1110
00:56:24,707 --> 00:56:28,227
Speaker 3: If you would prefer to send a text, goose is

1111
00:56:28,267 --> 00:56:29,947
Speaker 3: with us. You have you been to Ellis Park?

1112
00:56:31,347 --> 00:56:31,387
Speaker 13: No?

1113
00:56:31,587 --> 00:56:35,187
Speaker 18: Fine, I definitely haven't not been to South Africa at all,

1114
00:56:35,307 --> 00:56:37,947
Speaker 18: at place I would most definitely like to watch a

1115
00:56:37,987 --> 00:56:39,947
Speaker 18: game of foot each card have feeding the other one.

1116
00:56:41,427 --> 00:56:44,347
Speaker 3: Absolutely. What how are you feeling about tomorrow morning, mate.

1117
00:56:45,707 --> 00:56:50,907
Speaker 18: Well, we definitely deserve to be underdogs and going into

1118
00:56:50,987 --> 00:56:53,747
Speaker 18: Hallis Park Elder Tree. Everybody talks about altitude, but I

1119
00:56:53,787 --> 00:56:56,467
Speaker 18: don't think it really makes any difference. What however, they

1120
00:56:56,907 --> 00:57:00,707
Speaker 18: suffer the same Nobody that lives up there want the

1121
00:57:01,147 --> 00:57:03,467
Speaker 18: spring Botox don't live up there, so they suffer the

1122
00:57:03,547 --> 00:57:08,147
Speaker 18: same physical dramas adapting the lack of oxygen as we do.

1123
00:57:08,347 --> 00:57:12,467
Speaker 18: So it doesn't really make any difference. At Alice Park,

1124
00:57:12,507 --> 00:57:14,507
Speaker 18: as you say, we do fairly well there. It's a

1125
00:57:14,627 --> 00:57:17,827
Speaker 18: scene of our worst ever win with the All Blacks

1126
00:57:17,867 --> 00:57:20,267
Speaker 18: coming back from Southern Africa and the and the win

1127
00:57:20,427 --> 00:57:25,867
Speaker 18: we had there that saved Foster's job. If we hadn't

1128
00:57:25,867 --> 00:57:29,547
Speaker 18: the one that game, I'm picking the team the coaching

1129
00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:33,747
Speaker 18: scene that we're going over there would be World Cup

1130
00:57:33,827 --> 00:57:37,347
Speaker 18: winners and it'd be Razor and Tony Brown, which is

1131
00:57:37,427 --> 00:57:39,627
Speaker 18: who he was after in the first place when they

1132
00:57:39,747 --> 00:57:44,667
Speaker 18: decided to go with Foster. So I think sadly I

1133
00:57:44,987 --> 00:57:48,587
Speaker 18: raised her as red and black as I see out

1134
00:57:48,627 --> 00:57:53,147
Speaker 18: of my one eye, I'm still I'm a Raiser fan,

1135
00:57:53,307 --> 00:57:55,707
Speaker 18: but I think it's a pretty Gutler's team naming that

1136
00:57:55,827 --> 00:58:00,227
Speaker 18: he's come up with. He's gone back to some players

1137
00:58:00,267 --> 00:58:03,187
Speaker 18: that we've had no end of trouble with, Riggo Juani

1138
00:58:03,267 --> 00:58:05,707
Speaker 18: in the midfield, a classic example of the guy that

1139
00:58:05,987 --> 00:58:09,947
Speaker 18: just shouldn't be in the twenty three at all. We've

1140
00:58:10,027 --> 00:58:13,107
Speaker 18: got an advantage in that Papoli was injured so he

1141
00:58:13,187 --> 00:58:18,147
Speaker 18: couldn't pick him, but I wouldn't have gotten the way

1142
00:58:18,227 --> 00:58:18,827
Speaker 18: that he's gone.

1143
00:58:18,867 --> 00:58:19,227
Speaker 9: I would have.

1144
00:58:20,187 --> 00:58:27,227
Speaker 18: I would have probably had Ethan and Jacobson over Sam,

1145
00:58:27,347 --> 00:58:31,027
Speaker 18: but Sam's probably got something to prove, so we'll give

1146
00:58:31,107 --> 00:58:34,107
Speaker 18: him a chance and whether the luck would be one

1147
00:58:34,187 --> 00:58:38,187
Speaker 18: of his final siests, Yeah, no, I don't think we've

1148
00:58:38,267 --> 00:58:41,627
Speaker 18: got a great deal of hope if you look at

1149
00:58:41,707 --> 00:58:45,267
Speaker 18: it on paper, but it's the All Blacks and hence

1150
00:58:45,347 --> 00:58:49,227
Speaker 18: South Africa and realistically going in the TA be on

1151
00:58:50,547 --> 00:58:54,267
Speaker 18: way too out of whack for the reality of an

1152
00:58:54,307 --> 00:58:58,547
Speaker 18: all Blacks South African Test match, no matter how poor

1153
00:58:58,667 --> 00:58:59,627
Speaker 18: we are at the moment.

1154
00:59:01,267 --> 00:59:02,667
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not.

1155
00:59:02,747 --> 00:59:02,947
Speaker 17: I'm not.

1156
00:59:03,187 --> 00:59:06,267
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I'm worried, but I'm I'm very interested.

1157
00:59:06,347 --> 00:59:09,067
Speaker 3: And the way Tony Brown has influenced the South African side,

1158
00:59:09,067 --> 00:59:11,747
Speaker 3: because I'm sure you've seen it as well as Brighton.

1159
00:59:11,787 --> 00:59:13,707
Speaker 3: Pulser said, you know, they've always been a very physical

1160
00:59:13,787 --> 00:59:17,307
Speaker 3: side and doesn't take a brain surgeon to work that out.

1161
00:59:17,347 --> 00:59:19,627
Speaker 3: But I just think he's he's unlocked a lot more

1162
00:59:19,627 --> 00:59:22,187
Speaker 3: potential in the back line, even in the games I've

1163
00:59:22,227 --> 00:59:25,067
Speaker 3: seen this year against good opposition like Ireland. His fingerprints

1164
00:59:25,067 --> 00:59:28,827
Speaker 3: are on this team already. Tony Brown, yea one.

1165
00:59:30,307 --> 00:59:34,747
Speaker 18: Slipped out like the proverbial dogs. But if we if

1166
00:59:34,787 --> 00:59:38,147
Speaker 18: we had a had home, we'd be doing I suspect

1167
00:59:38,267 --> 00:59:40,827
Speaker 18: we'd be doing the same sorts of things as in

1168
00:59:41,027 --> 00:59:44,627
Speaker 18: running it like we're used to, rather than this absolutely

1169
00:59:44,787 --> 00:59:48,467
Speaker 18: demented half back ten or twelve. If it gets back

1170
00:59:48,507 --> 00:59:50,627
Speaker 18: as far as boat and doesn't matter who it is,

1171
00:59:51,027 --> 00:59:54,227
Speaker 18: just hop but downfield and let's ever go on the

1172
00:59:54,307 --> 00:59:57,387
Speaker 18: line out or up and under. That's an absolute waste

1173
00:59:57,427 --> 01:00:01,227
Speaker 18: of the time because we're so inaccurate. It's just a

1174
01:00:01,307 --> 01:00:05,667
Speaker 18: really poor game plan, or or it's the skill level

1175
01:00:05,707 --> 01:00:08,067
Speaker 18: we've got. I mean, Rais has been handled the worst

1176
01:00:08,147 --> 01:00:14,187
Speaker 18: crop of international players in the professional era for effectively

1177
01:00:14,307 --> 01:00:17,827
Speaker 18: two cycles. Under Hands and then Foster, we were stuck

1178
01:00:17,907 --> 01:00:22,627
Speaker 18: with this ten slash fifteen Pilava where we now don't

1179
01:00:22,667 --> 01:00:27,827
Speaker 18: have an international quality keen available in the country. The

1180
01:00:27,907 --> 01:00:31,267
Speaker 18: best hope God is that Razor throws some time into Plumber.

1181
01:00:32,267 --> 01:00:35,987
Speaker 18: The only real hope where God is is that ends

1182
01:00:36,027 --> 01:00:39,307
Speaker 18: that are by the bullet realizes what blogs they were

1183
01:00:39,867 --> 01:00:43,587
Speaker 18: and buys Richie back. So yeah, we're in trouble for

1184
01:00:43,947 --> 01:00:46,147
Speaker 18: a number of years to come. No matter how good

1185
01:00:46,267 --> 01:00:46,707
Speaker 18: Razor is.

1186
01:00:48,267 --> 01:00:52,187
Speaker 3: Goose nothing if not articulate in your views, mate, always

1187
01:00:52,227 --> 01:00:54,787
Speaker 3: good to chat to you drive safe, ah eight hundred

1188
01:00:55,747 --> 01:00:57,707
Speaker 3: one twenty six pack with more after this. In fact,

1189
01:00:57,747 --> 01:00:59,307
Speaker 3: just before we go to a break one, update you

1190
01:00:59,387 --> 01:01:01,867
Speaker 3: on the tennis because Alexi Poprin has won the first

1191
01:01:01,907 --> 01:01:06,067
Speaker 3: set against Novak Djokovic six four, so the Australian twenty

1192
01:01:06,147 --> 01:01:11,107
Speaker 3: eight seed a set to the good over Novak Djokovic.

1193
01:01:11,147 --> 01:01:13,827
Speaker 3: We will keep eyes on that. Djokovic has won the

1194
01:01:13,827 --> 01:01:16,187
Speaker 3: first game of the second set on his serve, so

1195
01:01:16,347 --> 01:01:19,347
Speaker 3: Popra and a set to love a head and love

1196
01:01:19,787 --> 01:01:23,427
Speaker 3: one behind on serve in the second at Arthur Rash

1197
01:01:24,027 --> 01:01:27,067
Speaker 3: one twenty seven back after this, it's.

1198
01:01:27,067 --> 01:01:30,547
Speaker 1: More than just a game. Weekends for it with Jason

1199
01:01:30,627 --> 01:01:34,627
Speaker 1: Vine and GJ Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder

1200
01:01:34,747 --> 01:01:35,627
Speaker 1: News Dogs B.

1201
01:01:36,147 --> 01:01:38,787
Speaker 3: One twenty nine. Brandon asks was Alice Park where Andrew

1202
01:01:38,827 --> 01:01:41,987
Speaker 3: Mutins gave them the one finger salute. That was a

1203
01:01:42,107 --> 01:01:45,947
Speaker 3: loftus in Prectoria Brandan playing for the Crusaders against the

1204
01:01:45,987 --> 01:01:48,787
Speaker 3: Balls another memorable moment. Paul says, we may feel like

1205
01:01:48,867 --> 01:01:52,507
Speaker 3: the underdog, but my South African colleague at work fears

1206
01:01:52,547 --> 01:01:55,227
Speaker 3: the All Blacks, so it's even Stevens. Bring it on.

1207
01:01:55,387 --> 01:01:59,187
Speaker 3: Good on you, Paul Abdahama. How would you describe your

1208
01:01:59,307 --> 01:02:00,227
Speaker 3: levels of optimism?

1209
01:02:01,707 --> 01:02:08,347
Speaker 7: Hm, hello, Poney Lon Lou.

1210
01:02:08,867 --> 01:02:11,907
Speaker 23: But you know I've talked to men at times, being

1211
01:02:11,947 --> 01:02:14,987
Speaker 23: a Wellington New Zealand cricket fan over all the years.

1212
01:02:15,027 --> 01:02:17,587
Speaker 23: You know, I'm just I'm just a pessimist.

1213
01:02:18,387 --> 01:02:21,787
Speaker 7: I've been a park to pioneer. I think it was yeah,

1214
01:02:21,787 --> 01:02:24,907
Speaker 7: I think it was Spain too, Honduras and nil and

1215
01:02:25,067 --> 01:02:28,107
Speaker 7: David er mister a penalty. But yeah, I'd love to

1216
01:02:28,147 --> 01:02:28,907
Speaker 7: go there for rugby.

1217
01:02:28,987 --> 01:02:30,707
Speaker 23: But you know there was something else going on back

1218
01:02:30,747 --> 01:02:31,347
Speaker 23: in twenty teen.

1219
01:02:31,827 --> 01:02:33,667
Speaker 3: I was at that game as well. I was at

1220
01:02:33,707 --> 01:02:37,627
Speaker 3: that game. Oh into that game all right, Yeah, I

1221
01:02:37,787 --> 01:02:39,147
Speaker 3: remember it. I was at that game.

1222
01:02:40,267 --> 01:02:43,547
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, that was a good to all White games.

1223
01:02:43,627 --> 01:02:52,387
Speaker 23: But anyway, my biggest the DMC factor tomorrow morning, Pioney,

1224
01:02:54,507 --> 01:02:57,227
Speaker 23: he hasn't you know, the.

1225
01:02:57,267 --> 01:02:58,707
Speaker 9: Walls are at the door a bit still.

1226
01:02:59,027 --> 01:03:02,987
Speaker 23: I think he's the well, he's the current guy. But

1227
01:03:03,867 --> 01:03:09,067
Speaker 23: this is the ultimate time for them to show he

1228
01:03:09,187 --> 01:03:13,107
Speaker 23: can drive us around in the test match against the

1229
01:03:13,187 --> 01:03:17,907
Speaker 23: best tim in the world. Uh, you know pressure tests.

1230
01:03:18,547 --> 01:03:20,747
Speaker 23: You know, I was talking to someone, you know, Limosophuna

1231
01:03:20,867 --> 01:03:22,787
Speaker 23: Rock up there on a first test and had a blinder.

1232
01:03:23,347 --> 01:03:26,947
Speaker 23: It's time for Themac to you know, put all the

1233
01:03:27,067 --> 01:03:30,507
Speaker 23: critics like me, you know in the sea, and I'm

1234
01:03:30,627 --> 01:03:34,227
Speaker 23: desperate for him to do well. But all I got

1235
01:03:34,267 --> 01:03:35,747
Speaker 23: in my mind because I'm, like I said, I'm the

1236
01:03:35,787 --> 01:03:38,307
Speaker 23: pistoms and a couple of inter set passes because they.

1237
01:03:38,347 --> 01:03:40,347
Speaker 7: Got a lightning back line out there.

1238
01:03:42,027 --> 01:03:44,467
Speaker 23: This test match. You know there's guys like Krell and

1239
01:03:44,827 --> 01:03:46,987
Speaker 23: Alinda and that they're not there. They got they got

1240
01:03:47,067 --> 01:03:50,147
Speaker 23: to the quick boys. There's Colby sniffing around Orens his back.

1241
01:03:50,947 --> 01:03:56,307
Speaker 23: You know, these got these guys love feeding off the

1242
01:03:56,347 --> 01:03:59,547
Speaker 23: crumbs and whatnot. So I'm so desperate for Demac to

1243
01:03:59,587 --> 01:04:01,027
Speaker 23: have a blinder, to be honest, Piney.

1244
01:04:01,467 --> 01:04:03,667
Speaker 3: Yeah, so am I Sam. And as I've said a

1245
01:04:03,707 --> 01:04:06,067
Speaker 3: couple of times on the show, I'm really pleased that

1246
01:04:06,107 --> 01:04:09,027
Speaker 3: they that they've stuck with him. Basically, they've said, look,

1247
01:04:09,027 --> 01:04:11,907
Speaker 3: you're our ten and this is a sixth straight start.

1248
01:04:12,547 --> 01:04:16,187
Speaker 3: Only Ardie Saville has also started all six Test matches

1249
01:04:16,227 --> 01:04:18,547
Speaker 3: so far this year. They've given him time in the saddle.

1250
01:04:19,747 --> 01:04:23,747
Speaker 3: You're right, Aboudahama. It's his biggest test, easily his biggest

1251
01:04:23,787 --> 01:04:27,067
Speaker 3: test of the year and maybe ever you know, and look,

1252
01:04:27,947 --> 01:04:29,907
Speaker 3: this might be his turning point. This might be the

1253
01:04:29,987 --> 01:04:32,227
Speaker 3: test where we say, you know what, he is the

1254
01:04:32,347 --> 01:04:35,267
Speaker 3: future number ten for us in this World Cup cycle,

1255
01:04:35,507 --> 01:04:38,067
Speaker 3: regardless of whether Richie Morton comes back, regardless of whether

1256
01:04:38,067 --> 01:04:39,867
Speaker 3: the boat and plays a bit there, if he has

1257
01:04:39,907 --> 01:04:42,747
Speaker 3: a if he guides us around tomorrow morning and and

1258
01:04:42,907 --> 01:04:44,507
Speaker 3: plays a large part in winning that Test match. I

1259
01:04:44,547 --> 01:04:46,067
Speaker 3: reckon it will be a turning point for DMK.

1260
01:04:47,347 --> 01:04:50,867
Speaker 23: Yeah I agree, But yeah, I love these three tests.

1261
01:04:50,907 --> 01:04:52,987
Speaker 23: Two how many people do it, but you know I

1262
01:04:53,107 --> 01:04:56,187
Speaker 23: did getting up you know, put a bit of a

1263
01:04:56,227 --> 01:04:59,067
Speaker 23: feed on and so yeah, looking forward to it. Love

1264
01:04:59,147 --> 01:05:01,307
Speaker 23: these Test matches. They're always they're always the best.

1265
01:05:02,027 --> 01:05:03,827
Speaker 3: Indeed, mate, good to chat to you is always give

1266
01:05:03,867 --> 01:05:05,067
Speaker 3: us you tomorrow if you get the chance, and we

1267
01:05:05,107 --> 01:05:08,507
Speaker 3: can review it together pessimistically or optimistically or whatever happens.

1268
01:05:08,827 --> 01:05:11,467
Speaker 3: Always good to yet to you, Hey, Peter, how are you?

1269
01:05:12,747 --> 01:05:16,267
Speaker 10: Oh good there? Piney? Yes, I was over there in

1270
01:05:16,387 --> 01:05:19,987
Speaker 10: nineteen seventy six. I was the mascot, the all black mascot.

1271
01:05:20,467 --> 01:05:22,267
Speaker 3: You were what the mascot?

1272
01:05:23,307 --> 01:05:26,187
Speaker 10: Yes, I ran out, ran out on the field on

1273
01:05:26,587 --> 01:05:29,667
Speaker 10: all the most of the games, the whole tour there.

1274
01:05:29,707 --> 01:05:32,067
Speaker 10: I had a key we had on and I ran

1275
01:05:32,147 --> 01:05:33,107
Speaker 10: around the ground and.

1276
01:05:34,587 --> 01:05:35,107
Speaker 12: Ran on the.

1277
01:05:35,147 --> 01:05:39,107
Speaker 10: Field there, and oh, I was a fabulous to Dick

1278
01:05:39,187 --> 01:05:42,867
Speaker 10: Evans led the tour and we had Oh, I had

1279
01:05:42,907 --> 01:05:46,387
Speaker 10: a great you know, a great lot of people with us.

1280
01:05:47,547 --> 01:05:52,107
Speaker 10: Even had Ron Kingley, New Zealand captain from the West Coast,

1281
01:05:52,227 --> 01:05:56,147
Speaker 10: and about nineteen thirty five he was with us, and

1282
01:05:56,427 --> 01:05:59,307
Speaker 10: oh we had a great time. And yeah, we had

1283
01:05:59,667 --> 01:06:02,867
Speaker 10: the three Tests we had there in seventy six. Andy Leslie,

1284
01:06:02,907 --> 01:06:06,947
Speaker 10: of course it was the captain too the tour. So

1285
01:06:07,467 --> 01:06:11,907
Speaker 10: I've made great friends with Andy and knew him beforehand.

1286
01:06:13,187 --> 01:06:16,827
Speaker 10: We lost the first Test at Durbin, which was at

1287
01:06:17,267 --> 01:06:20,627
Speaker 10: sea level. I think it was sixteen to seven, and

1288
01:06:20,787 --> 01:06:24,707
Speaker 10: then we were up to Blue Fontaine second Test, and

1289
01:06:24,907 --> 01:06:28,587
Speaker 10: that was getting up the altitude fifteen nine, and then

1290
01:06:28,627 --> 01:06:31,307
Speaker 10: we had a couple of midweek wins and we were

1291
01:06:31,347 --> 01:06:35,107
Speaker 10: getting quite confident. And then by the third test, it

1292
01:06:35,307 --> 01:06:40,307
Speaker 10: was at Alice Park and yeah, seventy five thousand people there.

1293
01:06:42,667 --> 01:06:45,987
Speaker 10: We got to sid going, got to try in the

1294
01:06:46,107 --> 01:06:50,627
Speaker 10: first five minutes of the game, and we were all excited.

1295
01:06:50,667 --> 01:06:52,747
Speaker 10: We thought, are we're going to beat them? We're going

1296
01:06:52,787 --> 01:06:55,707
Speaker 10: to beat them now, we're going really well. It was

1297
01:06:55,867 --> 01:06:59,547
Speaker 10: nine to eight nine eight at half time to the

1298
01:06:59,667 --> 01:07:02,187
Speaker 10: spring box, and we still thought we had a show

1299
01:07:02,787 --> 01:07:07,067
Speaker 10: and blast. It ended up fifteen fourteen.

1300
01:07:08,707 --> 01:07:12,227
Speaker 3: Did you did you run out at Ellis Park? He's

1301
01:07:12,307 --> 01:07:15,507
Speaker 3: seventy five thou people. Were you dressed as a cad?

1302
01:07:15,627 --> 01:07:17,427
Speaker 3: Were you dressed as a key or did you just

1303
01:07:17,467 --> 01:07:18,067
Speaker 3: have a KEYWI?

1304
01:07:18,387 --> 01:07:21,267
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I had. I had. I had the head

1305
01:07:21,347 --> 01:07:25,067
Speaker 10: on and I had a a sort of a t

1306
01:07:25,507 --> 01:07:29,147
Speaker 10: a brownish T shirt, you know, with an all black thing.

1307
01:07:29,467 --> 01:07:30,827
Speaker 9: And I did this. I did the.

1308
01:07:30,947 --> 01:07:36,347
Speaker 10: SAMON in UK in seventy two, seventy three. I led

1309
01:07:36,387 --> 01:07:40,827
Speaker 10: the teams out on the field there as a mascot

1310
01:07:40,987 --> 01:07:45,427
Speaker 10: ran around, can off arms, canav arms, parked and all

1311
01:07:45,467 --> 01:07:49,387
Speaker 10: the different ones. Oh had I've had a great, a

1312
01:07:49,507 --> 01:07:50,267
Speaker 10: great career.

1313
01:07:50,867 --> 01:07:52,907
Speaker 3: And how did you how did you get the job?

1314
01:07:53,187 --> 01:07:54,267
Speaker 3: How did you get the job?

1315
01:07:56,507 --> 01:08:00,507
Speaker 10: Dick evans that he was the he he he was

1316
01:08:00,587 --> 01:08:03,507
Speaker 10: the leader tour, leader of these all black tours and

1317
01:08:03,667 --> 01:08:06,587
Speaker 10: he got permission from the New Zealand Rugby Union for

1318
01:08:06,747 --> 01:08:09,187
Speaker 10: me to be able to do these things. And you

1319
01:08:09,267 --> 01:08:12,347
Speaker 10: know I was on park the prints over in front

1320
01:08:13,987 --> 01:08:19,187
Speaker 10: and the Barbarian game in the UK. It's been, it's

1321
01:08:19,227 --> 01:08:20,227
Speaker 10: been a great life.

1322
01:08:21,347 --> 01:08:23,427
Speaker 3: Did you have to wear your Kiwi head on the

1323
01:08:23,507 --> 01:08:26,147
Speaker 3: plane or were you able to just go as as yourself?

1324
01:08:27,067 --> 01:08:31,027
Speaker 10: We we we we it was we did most of

1325
01:08:31,107 --> 01:08:35,267
Speaker 10: the most of the touring around in in South Africa

1326
01:08:35,507 --> 01:08:37,947
Speaker 10: was by bus, you know, we went by bus. But

1327
01:08:38,307 --> 01:08:41,307
Speaker 10: if when it was in the u K, well you know,

1328
01:08:41,467 --> 01:08:45,707
Speaker 10: we've it was flowing over. It was flowing over to

1329
01:08:45,867 --> 01:08:50,267
Speaker 10: the UK. And the actual head is at the South

1330
01:08:50,427 --> 01:08:54,427
Speaker 10: at the Palmerston North Museum, the Kiwi head which was

1331
01:08:54,507 --> 01:08:58,827
Speaker 10: the same head in the UK and in South Africa.

1332
01:08:59,267 --> 01:09:00,507
Speaker 10: I was able to save it.

1333
01:09:02,467 --> 01:09:04,467
Speaker 3: I can't believe they don't still do it. Peter. I

1334
01:09:04,547 --> 01:09:06,747
Speaker 3: think it would imagine you're running out there with the

1335
01:09:06,827 --> 01:09:08,147
Speaker 3: Kiwi head on you'd be ahead.

1336
01:09:09,187 --> 01:09:12,547
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, well, and of course I had. I sort

1337
01:09:12,587 --> 01:09:16,787
Speaker 10: of did my apprenticeship with the Wellington Supporters Club as

1338
01:09:16,907 --> 01:09:20,027
Speaker 10: Leo the Lion. I was the reserve Leo the Lion

1339
01:09:20,467 --> 01:09:25,387
Speaker 10: and then doing midweek midweek games when the Garry Amis.

1340
01:09:25,027 --> 01:09:25,627
Speaker 9: Couldn't do it.

1341
01:09:25,787 --> 01:09:27,907
Speaker 10: So I was sort of used to that sort of thing.

1342
01:09:28,587 --> 01:09:31,227
Speaker 3: So you are only the reserve for Leo the Lion,

1343
01:09:31,307 --> 01:09:34,227
Speaker 3: but you got the top gig as the traveling Kiwi.

1344
01:09:35,227 --> 01:09:38,747
Speaker 10: Yes, I got the top job. And even Terry McClain

1345
01:09:38,907 --> 01:09:41,667
Speaker 10: in his book that he wrote on the tour said

1346
01:09:41,747 --> 01:09:47,947
Speaker 10: he was He didn't like the attitude of having a

1347
01:09:48,147 --> 01:09:51,347
Speaker 10: mascot on the All Black Tour. So I didn't get

1348
01:09:51,387 --> 01:09:54,347
Speaker 10: a good good write up from Terry McClain in his book,

1349
01:09:54,747 --> 01:09:55,907
Speaker 10: but we did.

1350
01:09:56,467 --> 01:10:01,387
Speaker 3: I did my job, made the amazing story, amazing story,

1351
01:10:01,627 --> 01:10:03,387
Speaker 3: one of many in your life.

1352
01:10:03,427 --> 01:10:03,667
Speaker 9: I know.

1353
01:10:04,067 --> 01:10:07,587
Speaker 3: Good to jet you. I would love to see that

1354
01:10:07,747 --> 01:10:10,827
Speaker 3: done now a throwback to the old day. Skip Peter's

1355
01:10:10,867 --> 01:10:12,627
Speaker 3: brown T shirt and his key we head and get

1356
01:10:12,667 --> 01:10:16,467
Speaker 3: him out there at a Chocker's Eden Park twenty two

1357
01:10:16,467 --> 01:10:18,747
Speaker 3: away from two. We'll take a break to all on

1358
01:10:18,787 --> 01:10:22,547
Speaker 3: the second set between Popperin and Djokovic. Alexei Poperins won

1359
01:10:22,587 --> 01:10:25,787
Speaker 3: the first set over Djokovic on Arthur Ash Stadium. Popper

1360
01:10:25,827 --> 01:10:28,467
Speaker 3: and the Australian of course, speaking of there are are

1361
01:10:28,627 --> 01:10:33,347
Speaker 3: our friends across the taz Dan Lonigan. Dan Lonigan off

1362
01:10:33,387 --> 01:10:35,107
Speaker 3: the bench for Adam Peacock when we come.

1363
01:10:35,027 --> 01:10:39,147
Speaker 1: Back the tough questions off the turf Weekend Sport with

1364
01:10:39,387 --> 01:10:43,947
Speaker 1: Jason Pine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, new Zealand's most trusted home builders.

1365
01:10:45,827 --> 01:10:47,347
Speaker 3: What are we eighteen and a half away from to

1366
01:10:47,467 --> 01:10:50,187
Speaker 3: Adam Peacock, our regular Australian correspondent getting a couple of

1367
01:10:50,227 --> 01:10:52,747
Speaker 3: weeks well deserved rest. But what a man to have

1368
01:10:52,907 --> 01:10:56,387
Speaker 3: coming off the bench. Australian freelance sports journalist Dan Lornigan,

1369
01:10:56,507 --> 01:10:57,227
Speaker 3: how are you mate?

1370
01:10:57,947 --> 01:11:00,307
Speaker 2: Gooday, Jason, thanks so much for having me on. It's

1371
01:11:00,307 --> 01:11:02,987
Speaker 2: a pleasure to be on. Great to have a chat.

1372
01:11:03,107 --> 01:11:05,347
Speaker 2: So much going on in the world of sport in Australia,

1373
01:11:05,427 --> 01:11:08,307
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and around the world, so looking forward

1374
01:11:08,347 --> 01:11:09,347
Speaker 2: to it. Really appreciate it.

1375
01:11:09,707 --> 01:11:11,587
Speaker 3: No, it's good to have you with us. I've had

1376
01:11:11,667 --> 01:11:13,467
Speaker 3: to drag you away from the tennis though, haven't I

1377
01:11:13,587 --> 01:11:16,867
Speaker 3: with your man Alexei popper and a sit sit to

1378
01:11:16,907 --> 01:11:19,547
Speaker 3: love up over Novak Djokovic, and he's got a break

1379
01:11:19,587 --> 01:11:21,787
Speaker 3: in the second sit as well. He could beat Jokovic.

1380
01:11:22,747 --> 01:11:25,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going really well. We know that Alcoraz is

1381
01:11:25,067 --> 01:11:27,907
Speaker 2: out and we know that heey Herkats was beaten by

1382
01:11:27,987 --> 01:11:31,827
Speaker 2: the Australian too O'Connell. So it's been a terrific tournament

1383
01:11:31,867 --> 01:11:33,867
Speaker 2: for the Australian men so far. For the first time,

1384
01:11:34,067 --> 01:11:37,627
Speaker 2: Jason in nearly thirty years, we've got four Australian men

1385
01:11:37,707 --> 01:11:40,267
Speaker 2: into the third round of the US Open, and Popperan

1386
01:11:40,387 --> 01:11:42,107
Speaker 2: is the one that's coming. We know that dim and

1387
01:11:42,147 --> 01:11:43,507
Speaker 2: All has been a good player for a long time,

1388
01:11:43,587 --> 01:11:46,227
Speaker 2: top ten. He's missed the past six or seven weeks

1389
01:11:46,267 --> 01:11:48,867
Speaker 2: with a hip injury he's suffered at Wimbledon, forcing him

1390
01:11:48,867 --> 01:11:52,307
Speaker 2: out of the quarterfinals with popham on an atp tournament

1391
01:11:52,427 --> 01:11:55,467
Speaker 2: in Canada, and he's ready, you think, to maybe just

1392
01:11:55,947 --> 01:11:59,187
Speaker 2: make an impact. He's the thirtieth seed for the tournament.

1393
01:11:59,307 --> 01:12:02,147
Speaker 2: You wonder whether Novak Djokovic have said this before, might

1394
01:12:02,227 --> 01:12:04,667
Speaker 2: be on the way down. But I mean, we would

1395
01:12:04,707 --> 01:12:06,787
Speaker 2: be silly if we were to write him offmpletely. If

1396
01:12:06,827 --> 01:12:10,707
Speaker 2: we know he's a great player. Start by Alexey Popperin

1397
01:12:10,787 --> 01:12:12,947
Speaker 2: and this will be the biggest win of his career

1398
01:12:13,427 --> 01:12:16,107
Speaker 2: outside that tournament when if he was to get over

1399
01:12:16,347 --> 01:12:20,107
Speaker 2: Novak Djokovic and you'd have Alcarez out, Djokovic out and

1400
01:12:20,387 --> 01:12:24,387
Speaker 2: since the pass of course was beaten by kochan Arkas,

1401
01:12:24,387 --> 01:12:27,987
Speaker 2: who then showed his inconsistency losing the second round another Australian.

1402
01:12:28,107 --> 01:12:31,347
Speaker 2: So already the thied starting to fall by the wayside

1403
01:12:31,387 --> 01:12:33,147
Speaker 2: and opening the drawer up for the me into tournament.

1404
01:12:33,187 --> 01:12:34,267
Speaker 2: But the one way to go you have been a

1405
01:12:34,307 --> 01:12:35,267
Speaker 2: great start by Lexie.

1406
01:12:35,747 --> 01:12:37,667
Speaker 3: What's the laddest with Nick Carrios? Is he going to

1407
01:12:37,707 --> 01:12:39,347
Speaker 3: play again or is he done? What's the story with

1408
01:12:39,467 --> 01:12:40,427
Speaker 3: Nick Carrio's.

1409
01:12:40,787 --> 01:12:43,067
Speaker 2: That's a very good question, Jason. I remember when my

1410
01:12:43,147 --> 01:12:45,987
Speaker 2: late mum was alive, she always thought that he wasn't

1411
01:12:46,027 --> 01:12:49,507
Speaker 2: going to play much. Maybe there were some issues mentally.

1412
01:12:49,667 --> 01:12:52,107
Speaker 2: And look, I think he's become a very good commentator.

1413
01:12:52,147 --> 01:12:54,547
Speaker 2: But we'd love to see him again. He's always injured,

1414
01:12:54,587 --> 01:12:56,787
Speaker 2: Always seems to be an excuse. He gets himself up

1415
01:12:56,827 --> 01:13:00,347
Speaker 2: with the Australian Open and generally plays the Australian Open,

1416
01:13:00,427 --> 01:13:02,467
Speaker 2: asks to play on the third of the courts, which

1417
01:13:02,547 --> 01:13:05,827
Speaker 2: is the John Kine Arena, and he always fires up

1418
01:13:05,907 --> 01:13:08,507
Speaker 2: out there, gets a huge crowd on each side out there,

1419
01:13:08,907 --> 01:13:10,747
Speaker 2: and gets through three or four rounds and then you

1420
01:13:10,787 --> 01:13:12,907
Speaker 2: don't see him again, Jason for the rest of the year.

1421
01:13:12,987 --> 01:13:15,027
Speaker 2: The body doesn't allow him to play it on the

1422
01:13:15,147 --> 01:13:18,147
Speaker 2: mind doesn't allowing to play. I think we've seen the best.

1423
01:13:18,187 --> 01:13:20,587
Speaker 2: If he might think he's going to be an unfulfilled talent,

1424
01:13:20,667 --> 01:13:23,387
Speaker 2: which is very sad, unlike a demonoor who's got the

1425
01:13:23,467 --> 01:13:25,947
Speaker 2: most out of his ability. There's no doubt Jason that,

1426
01:13:26,547 --> 01:13:28,867
Speaker 2: in my humble opinion, that Nick Curios is a better

1427
01:13:28,947 --> 01:13:32,427
Speaker 2: player than Alex gimmon or talent wise, but I'm not

1428
01:13:32,547 --> 01:13:34,547
Speaker 2: sure he wants it enough, and I think that's why

1429
01:13:34,627 --> 01:13:37,787
Speaker 2: there's always injuries or those mental demons are in the

1430
01:13:37,907 --> 01:13:41,427
Speaker 2: road stopping him from fulfilling the talent that he was

1431
01:13:41,547 --> 01:13:42,547
Speaker 2: possessed with and given.

1432
01:13:43,307 --> 01:13:46,787
Speaker 3: All right, Well, keep eyes on Alexi Poppron absolutely and

1433
01:13:46,867 --> 01:13:50,387
Speaker 3: the other Australians. As the turnament progresses, can ask about AFL.

1434
01:13:50,987 --> 01:13:54,107
Speaker 3: We're through the regular season into quarterfinals, elimination finals, etc.

1435
01:13:54,587 --> 01:13:57,947
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this table Sidney Swan's Port Adelaide Geelong,

1436
01:13:58,307 --> 01:14:01,107
Speaker 3: Greater Western Sidney Giants, just one Victorian team in the

1437
01:14:01,147 --> 01:14:04,147
Speaker 3: top four, then the Brisbane Lines fifth. What's happened to

1438
01:14:04,147 --> 01:14:05,107
Speaker 3: the Victorian teams.

1439
01:14:06,387 --> 01:14:08,947
Speaker 2: That's a very good question, Jason. Hopefully the receptions are

1440
01:14:08,987 --> 01:14:13,387
Speaker 2: hours are go under. But this is Melbourne. We've got

1441
01:14:13,387 --> 01:14:16,507
Speaker 2: tunnels everywhere. But yeah, look, that's a that's a really

1442
01:14:16,547 --> 01:14:19,147
Speaker 2: good question. It's such a national competition. I know, the

1443
01:14:19,187 --> 01:14:21,507
Speaker 2: AFL is the lot and it is the most even

1444
01:14:21,667 --> 01:14:24,947
Speaker 2: seasons that we have had in the history of the competition.

1445
01:14:25,027 --> 01:14:26,787
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't know from week to week he's

1446
01:14:26,827 --> 01:14:29,107
Speaker 2: going to win. You don't know from week to week

1447
01:14:29,507 --> 01:14:29,987
Speaker 2: he's going to.

1448
01:14:30,027 --> 01:14:30,907
Speaker 16: Fall off the perch.

1449
01:14:31,507 --> 01:14:37,227
Speaker 2: Sydney had their bad at of or six weeks out down.

1450
01:14:37,147 --> 01:14:44,387
Speaker 3: For I mean, yes, don't have you fallen victim to

1451
01:14:44,467 --> 01:14:46,307
Speaker 3: one of those tunnels. I'm just gonna pop you on

1452
01:14:46,387 --> 01:14:48,147
Speaker 3: hold Dan, hopefully you can come back when you're on

1453
01:14:48,187 --> 01:14:49,587
Speaker 3: the other side of the tunnel. Have you got to

1454
01:14:49,587 --> 01:14:52,187
Speaker 3: stay mate? That's right, yep, No, I've got you. Then

1455
01:14:52,227 --> 01:14:53,667
Speaker 3: now you're beck you're back with us.

1456
01:14:54,507 --> 01:14:58,787
Speaker 2: Sorry, Jason. Yeah, I'm just going under the Eastern Tunnel

1457
01:14:58,787 --> 01:15:01,187
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, which is very busy, but we're not far

1458
01:15:01,227 --> 01:15:03,387
Speaker 2: away from being out the other end. I appreciate your

1459
01:15:03,427 --> 01:15:06,147
Speaker 2: listeners in yourself excitation, but I was just saying that

1460
01:15:06,427 --> 01:15:08,707
Speaker 2: up for a very very good side and then they'refore

1461
01:15:08,747 --> 01:15:11,667
Speaker 2: and away in the last six or seven weeks and

1462
01:15:12,587 --> 01:15:14,187
Speaker 2: I thought they were a big chance of playing in

1463
01:15:14,227 --> 01:15:16,947
Speaker 2: the Grand Final, but there now eight. So the inner

1464
01:15:16,947 --> 01:15:18,867
Speaker 2: state teams have done really well. And if you are

1465
01:15:18,867 --> 01:15:21,587
Speaker 2: already in the state team and you get an opportunity

1466
01:15:21,667 --> 01:15:24,827
Speaker 2: to host finals like Sydney or though they're playing GWS,

1467
01:15:25,147 --> 01:15:28,307
Speaker 2: which takes away that advantage. The other Sydney team and

1468
01:15:28,427 --> 01:15:30,907
Speaker 2: Port adelaidea got home finals, but Port Adelaide have been

1469
01:15:30,947 --> 01:15:33,587
Speaker 2: poor in finals. You should be able to take advantage

1470
01:15:33,587 --> 01:15:35,307
Speaker 2: of that. It's a bit different for the Melbourne based

1471
01:15:35,347 --> 01:15:38,667
Speaker 2: teams like the Western Bulldogs generally play their home games

1472
01:15:38,707 --> 01:15:41,427
Speaker 2: at Docklands, but they're playing Hawthorne who play their home

1473
01:15:41,467 --> 01:15:44,027
Speaker 2: games at the MCG, so that takes away that advantage.

1474
01:15:44,467 --> 01:15:47,707
Speaker 2: And if Geelong gets through their first final, we'll player

1475
01:15:47,787 --> 01:15:50,347
Speaker 2: final at the MCG. So it does favor in the

1476
01:15:50,387 --> 01:15:53,107
Speaker 2: interstate teams if you're able to get through. But to

1477
01:15:53,267 --> 01:15:56,387
Speaker 2: answer why they're a bit better than the Melbourne based teams,

1478
01:15:56,427 --> 01:15:58,267
Speaker 2: good question. I mean the Melbourne based teams have had

1479
01:15:58,307 --> 01:16:00,587
Speaker 2: their chances. Melbourne were good for a little while, they

1480
01:16:00,627 --> 01:16:02,227
Speaker 2: fell away as them were good for a while, they

1481
01:16:02,307 --> 01:16:04,547
Speaker 2: fell away or even sours and killed the play some

1482
01:16:04,587 --> 01:16:07,547
Speaker 2: good footage. But the interstate teams probably a little bit

1483
01:16:07,627 --> 01:16:10,227
Speaker 2: more consistent. But who's going to win the flag? Jason,

1484
01:16:10,307 --> 01:16:13,427
Speaker 2: I've got no idea any of the eighteens, even Carunt

1485
01:16:13,467 --> 01:16:17,627
Speaker 2: and Despital their injuries, could do the job on the day.

1486
01:16:17,747 --> 01:16:19,067
Speaker 2: So I think it's going to be one of the

1487
01:16:19,107 --> 01:16:21,467
Speaker 2: best final series we've ever had. I wouldn't have a

1488
01:16:21,507 --> 01:16:23,107
Speaker 2: clue he's going to win any of the first week

1489
01:16:23,147 --> 01:16:24,347
Speaker 2: of the finals next week.

1490
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Speaker 3: Now, that's the way you want it. No such problems

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Speaker 3: for the Storm though. In the NRL are well clear

1492
01:16:28,787 --> 01:16:30,147
Speaker 3: at the top of the game to go though will

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01:16:30,187 --> 01:16:33,547
Speaker 3: finish as minor premiers go into the final series as

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01:16:33,587 --> 01:16:36,387
Speaker 3: favorites to win it again the Storm. What's he been

1495
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Speaker 3: your assessment of them, Dan, From this side of the testament,

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Speaker 3: they've been very, very good.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they're an outstanding side, Jason. I mean, we've got

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Speaker 2: to give them credit. I mean in Melbourne we do

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Speaker 2: give them credit. Again, they probably fly to the radar

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Speaker 2: of it because AFL is king in this town. But

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01:16:51,227 --> 01:16:52,907
Speaker 2: I think when you look at the Melbourne still and

1502
01:16:52,947 --> 01:16:56,027
Speaker 2: what they've done under Craig Valamie, they've always presented as

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01:16:56,067 --> 01:16:58,587
Speaker 2: being a very very good side. I know they've won

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01:16:58,667 --> 01:17:01,107
Speaker 2: three titles. I had two taken away from them because

1505
01:17:01,107 --> 01:17:03,907
Speaker 2: they've reached the salary cap, but they have generally finished

1506
01:17:03,947 --> 01:17:07,827
Speaker 2: top three or top four. Sometimes they've struggled in the

1507
01:17:07,867 --> 01:17:09,827
Speaker 2: first week of the finals and then bout out and

1508
01:17:09,867 --> 01:17:12,507
Speaker 2: the preliminary. That might be an area that want to

1509
01:17:12,547 --> 01:17:15,187
Speaker 2: address a little bit, but in Harman away football they're

1510
01:17:15,307 --> 01:17:17,027
Speaker 2: right up there and again they've been the best side.

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01:17:17,027 --> 01:17:18,667
Speaker 2: They've bet Pennrick a couple of weeks ago and what

1512
01:17:18,827 --> 01:17:21,667
Speaker 2: was a terrific game of rugby league. And of course

1513
01:17:21,787 --> 01:17:24,027
Speaker 2: Nathan Clear he's up with that injury which might stop

1514
01:17:24,107 --> 01:17:26,507
Speaker 2: them from making it for in a row the Panthers,

1515
01:17:26,547 --> 01:17:29,707
Speaker 2: but they have of course overnight done the job to

1516
01:17:29,787 --> 01:17:31,507
Speaker 2: make sure they finished top four and get that all

1517
01:17:31,547 --> 01:17:35,267
Speaker 2: important double chance. But they're just well organized and they

1518
01:17:35,427 --> 01:17:39,067
Speaker 2: find replacements for players. Craig bellam he's able to make

1519
01:17:39,147 --> 01:17:42,467
Speaker 2: his players buy into what he's trying to set up,

1520
01:17:42,587 --> 01:17:45,747
Speaker 2: what he's trying to organize, he's just very very good

1521
01:17:45,827 --> 01:17:48,067
Speaker 2: coach and I think even though he does get a

1522
01:17:48,107 --> 01:17:50,267
Speaker 2: bit fired up and there's a lot of fun Brimstone

1523
01:17:50,307 --> 01:17:53,787
Speaker 2: in the way delivered his messages and he's very fit

1524
01:17:53,867 --> 01:17:57,227
Speaker 2: and it's a growing preseason campaign that he puts his

1525
01:17:57,347 --> 01:18:00,867
Speaker 2: players through and he puts himself through. He has the

1526
01:18:00,947 --> 01:18:04,267
Speaker 2: players playing for him every single time, and that's why

1527
01:18:04,307 --> 01:18:07,067
Speaker 2: they've got a great record and all got the hunger.

1528
01:18:07,187 --> 01:18:09,427
Speaker 2: They probably need to win another premiership, but the records

1529
01:18:09,427 --> 01:18:11,987
Speaker 2: they've gotten, the number of times they present the top four,

1530
01:18:12,507 --> 01:18:14,467
Speaker 2: and they've got a big chance this year. They've been

1531
01:18:14,507 --> 01:18:17,427
Speaker 2: the most consistent side. Certainly Penrith are a good side.

1532
01:18:17,427 --> 01:18:19,107
Speaker 2: They want a lot of close games this year Penri

1533
01:18:19,187 --> 01:18:21,467
Speaker 2: but I wonder whether the hunger's dropped off a bit

1534
01:18:21,507 --> 01:18:23,907
Speaker 2: and they need Nathan Cleary back. We know the Roosters

1535
01:18:23,947 --> 01:18:25,907
Speaker 2: are a good side. We know Vanola are playing well.

1536
01:18:26,227 --> 01:18:28,747
Speaker 2: The Bulldogs goff beaten by Manly in a ribbon contest

1537
01:18:28,827 --> 01:18:31,187
Speaker 2: last night. They're both pretty good Side's good to see

1538
01:18:31,227 --> 01:18:35,307
Speaker 2: those two traditional teams, even though they might be hated

1539
01:18:35,347 --> 01:18:36,987
Speaker 2: by a lot of people in the competition. If they

1540
01:18:36,987 --> 01:18:39,387
Speaker 2: don't follow the Bulldogs or Manly, they're good to see

1541
01:18:39,427 --> 01:18:41,627
Speaker 2: them back. And obviously Saint Georgia I've got a poor

1542
01:18:42,067 --> 01:18:45,707
Speaker 2: points differentiation, but they're settle as well. And then of

1543
01:18:45,787 --> 01:18:48,667
Speaker 2: course there's a lot of teams playing today such as

1544
01:18:48,747 --> 01:18:51,347
Speaker 2: the Raiders, such as the Dolphins. Also the Broncos are

1545
01:18:51,387 --> 01:18:53,827
Speaker 2: still in contention to finish eighth, but I reckon they're

1546
01:18:53,867 --> 01:18:55,907
Speaker 2: just making up the numbers. But Melbourne storm at the

1547
01:18:55,947 --> 01:18:58,587
Speaker 2: helmet with one game to go and they rested eleven

1548
01:18:58,627 --> 01:19:02,027
Speaker 2: and their loss on Thursday night, they'll get a lot

1549
01:19:02,067 --> 01:19:03,707
Speaker 2: of those players back. I think they fell them and

1550
01:19:03,747 --> 01:19:07,227
Speaker 2: you'd like them to play, including Ryan Pappenhaven, to make

1551
01:19:07,267 --> 01:19:09,827
Speaker 2: sure that they're ready to go and in good form

1552
01:19:10,227 --> 01:19:12,187
Speaker 2: come the first week of the finals, which our host.

1553
01:19:12,827 --> 01:19:15,147
Speaker 3: All right, And just to finish, you're coming off the

1554
01:19:15,187 --> 01:19:18,507
Speaker 3: back of a very successful Olympic Games. The Paralympics are

1555
01:19:18,547 --> 01:19:21,067
Speaker 3: on now already three gold medals for Australia, a couple

1556
01:19:21,147 --> 01:19:23,707
Speaker 3: at the track, cycling and at the swimming pool as well.

1557
01:19:23,747 --> 01:19:25,947
Speaker 3: You're always good in the swimming. Many more finals to come.

1558
01:19:26,107 --> 01:19:28,107
Speaker 3: You got high hopes for a good medal tally at

1559
01:19:28,107 --> 01:19:28,827
Speaker 3: the Paralympics.

1560
01:19:28,867 --> 01:19:32,467
Speaker 2: Two well, I think they're aiming the sixth of the moment,

1561
01:19:32,547 --> 01:19:35,787
Speaker 2: it's early days, Jason. I think they're aiming for top five.

1562
01:19:35,907 --> 01:19:39,027
Speaker 2: We know Thomas Gallagher's won gold in the men's freestyle

1563
01:19:39,547 --> 01:19:41,587
Speaker 2: s ten to fifty meters, which was a good result

1564
01:19:41,667 --> 01:19:45,387
Speaker 2: for him, and two terrific results in the cycling overnight.

1565
01:19:45,747 --> 01:19:48,947
Speaker 2: Emily Petri Cola has had defended her Olympic tit which

1566
01:19:48,987 --> 01:19:51,547
Speaker 2: he won in Tokyo in twenty twenty one in the

1567
01:19:51,627 --> 01:19:55,867
Speaker 2: cycling the three thousand meter pursuit, and Corey Boddington and

1568
01:19:55,947 --> 01:19:59,467
Speaker 2: his first ever Olympic Paralympic Games has won gold as well,

1569
01:19:59,547 --> 01:20:01,787
Speaker 2: so at seven medals at the moment. It was also

1570
01:20:01,867 --> 01:20:04,587
Speaker 2: good to see the rugby whelcair teams that have had

1571
01:20:04,627 --> 01:20:07,467
Speaker 2: a really tough build up of these Olympic Games had

1572
01:20:07,547 --> 01:20:10,787
Speaker 2: to qualify on the last event and to get through,

1573
01:20:10,867 --> 01:20:12,707
Speaker 2: and they've done it. Of course won the Olympic Games

1574
01:20:12,747 --> 01:20:15,027
Speaker 2: on a couple of occasions, they lost their first games

1575
01:20:15,067 --> 01:20:18,227
Speaker 2: of the running Olympic gold medalists in Great Britain defeat

1576
01:20:19,107 --> 01:20:22,747
Speaker 2: France overnight, so there's still a chance off the basketball

1577
01:20:22,787 --> 01:20:25,027
Speaker 2: as well. But look, I'm expecting in the pool a

1578
01:20:25,147 --> 01:20:27,747
Speaker 2: lot of metal because that's the strength. And Madison Tasaario

1579
01:20:27,787 --> 01:20:30,667
Speaker 2: has also qualified in her event, the three thousand meters

1580
01:20:30,707 --> 01:20:32,747
Speaker 2: in the track, and she's expected to be one of

1581
01:20:32,747 --> 01:20:36,347
Speaker 2: Australia's brighters hope, so you never like to put too

1582
01:20:36,387 --> 01:20:38,307
Speaker 2: much pressure on them. But Australian ally has done well

1583
01:20:38,347 --> 01:20:40,947
Speaker 2: on the Paralympics and again I'm expecting a pretty strong

1584
01:20:40,987 --> 01:20:41,827
Speaker 2: performance Jason.

1585
01:20:42,347 --> 01:20:45,107
Speaker 3: Terrific stuff. Dan, thanks so much for joining us this afternoon. Mate,

1586
01:20:45,467 --> 01:20:48,547
Speaker 3: Safe travels across Melbourne and throw all those tunnels. Look

1587
01:20:48,547 --> 01:20:50,027
Speaker 3: forward to catching up again sometime soon.

1588
01:20:50,867 --> 01:20:52,987
Speaker 2: Good only Jason, appreciate having me on all of this.

1589
01:20:53,467 --> 01:20:55,107
Speaker 3: No great to have you on, Dan. Thanks Indey, Dan

1590
01:20:55,187 --> 01:20:59,227
Speaker 3: Lonegan there Australian freelance sports journalist. Are hugely experienced and

1591
01:20:59,387 --> 01:21:01,907
Speaker 3: great to have him off the bench for our Australian

1592
01:21:02,387 --> 01:21:04,707
Speaker 3: spot here on Weekend Sport eight. Away from two. Just

1593
01:21:04,747 --> 01:21:07,067
Speaker 3: a quick check on the tennis. Casper Rude is through

1594
01:21:07,627 --> 01:21:12,747
Speaker 3: in five sets. He has eventually won his match. Alexei

1595
01:21:12,827 --> 01:21:15,787
Speaker 3: Popprins six ' four and four to three ahead forty

1596
01:21:15,947 --> 01:21:19,227
Speaker 3: thirty serving for five three in the second set. Alexei

1597
01:21:19,267 --> 01:21:23,227
Speaker 3: Popron against Novak Djokovic. Is there an upset coming? We'll

1598
01:21:23,307 --> 01:21:24,107
Speaker 3: keep eyes on that for you.

1599
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Speaker 20: Weekend Sport eight to two, analyzing every view from every

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Speaker 20: angle in the Sporting world Weekends for It with Jason

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Speaker 20: vae Call eight hundred and eighty eighty News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Five to two. Okay, Poperin's won the eighth game of

1603
01:21:37,707 --> 01:21:40,747
Speaker 3: the second set. He is five to three ahead Djokovic

1604
01:21:40,787 --> 01:21:43,987
Speaker 3: serving for five four so Alexei Poprin will have the

1605
01:21:44,107 --> 01:21:46,347
Speaker 3: chance to serve for the second set. He won the

1606
01:21:46,387 --> 01:21:49,107
Speaker 3: first set six to four, so with a chance in

1607
01:21:49,147 --> 01:21:51,147
Speaker 3: the next little while to go into a two sets

1608
01:21:51,187 --> 01:21:54,947
Speaker 3: to love lead over the second seeded Serb Novak Djokovic.

1609
01:21:55,267 --> 01:21:57,587
Speaker 3: Caspar rut, as I say, is through. He made hard

1610
01:21:57,627 --> 01:22:00,547
Speaker 3: work of it. I've got to say. Against the unseated

1611
01:22:00,627 --> 01:22:04,347
Speaker 3: Chinese player Jun cheng Shan, he lost the first two sets,

1612
01:22:04,707 --> 01:22:06,827
Speaker 3: did kaspar rut before winning the next three, so he

1613
01:22:06,907 --> 01:22:11,067
Speaker 3: got through. Okay. Djokovic has won the ninth game of

1614
01:22:11,147 --> 01:22:13,267
Speaker 3: the second set, and there was just a bit of

1615
01:22:13,307 --> 01:22:15,627
Speaker 3: concern over Poperin as he went for a return and

1616
01:22:15,747 --> 01:22:19,827
Speaker 3: just maybe tweaked his ankle, just landed rather awkwardly. Hopefully

1617
01:22:20,187 --> 01:22:23,947
Speaker 3: he's about to serve for the second set after two o'clock. Now,

1618
01:22:24,027 --> 01:22:26,507
Speaker 3: coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith, I wanted to talk to Wayne

1619
01:22:26,547 --> 01:22:30,467
Speaker 3: about the not specifically the situation with Leon McDonald leaving

1620
01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:34,107
Speaker 3: the All Blacks coaching group, but more generally about coaching

1621
01:22:34,227 --> 01:22:38,667
Speaker 3: groups and whether it's necessary that they always agree, can

1622
01:22:38,827 --> 01:22:42,907
Speaker 3: disagreement and challenging ideas actually be a good thing. Wayne

1623
01:22:42,907 --> 01:22:45,187
Speaker 3: Goldsmith on that after two o'clock we'll also talk to

1624
01:22:45,707 --> 01:22:49,907
Speaker 3: futsal White's coach Marvin Eakins, a New Zealand men's footsal

1625
01:22:49,987 --> 01:22:51,627
Speaker 3: team about to head off to their World Cup in

1626
01:22:51,667 --> 01:22:54,347
Speaker 3: the next little while, and we'll head back to South Africa.

1627
01:22:54,507 --> 01:22:57,067
Speaker 3: Elliott Smith, our rugby editor, joins us for a yarn.

1628
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Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1629
01:23:03,507 --> 01:23:08,387
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1630
01:23:08,547 --> 01:23:12,987
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport news.

1631
01:23:13,067 --> 01:23:13,907
Speaker 24: Talks had been.

1632
01:23:15,347 --> 01:23:17,947
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome back, All welcome in six past two

1633
01:23:18,627 --> 01:23:20,667
Speaker 3: Jason Pine and Andy McDonald with you till three. Then

1634
01:23:20,707 --> 01:23:25,027
Speaker 3: the Weekend Collective takes over. We're only thirteen hours away

1635
01:23:25,067 --> 01:23:29,227
Speaker 3: from kickoff. We're sort of edging our way there, aren't we.

1636
01:23:29,947 --> 01:23:32,627
Speaker 3: Towards three am tomorrow morning, All Black Spring Box, Elliott

1637
01:23:32,627 --> 01:23:35,467
Speaker 3: Smith has the call. He joins us this hour just

1638
01:23:35,547 --> 01:23:38,467
Speaker 3: to put a final cap on our preview of this

1639
01:23:38,587 --> 01:23:41,387
Speaker 3: one very shortly. Want to talk to Wayne Goldsmith, our

1640
01:23:41,467 --> 01:23:44,787
Speaker 3: coaching guru on weekend sport. He joins us regularly on

1641
01:23:45,667 --> 01:23:47,587
Speaker 3: a range of topics, and I was keen to chat

1642
01:23:47,627 --> 01:23:51,507
Speaker 3: to Wayne about about the dynamic of a coaching group,

1643
01:23:52,387 --> 01:23:55,387
Speaker 3: obviously with the departure of Leon McDonald a week or

1644
01:23:55,427 --> 01:23:58,267
Speaker 3: so ago. As I said before the news, I don't

1645
01:23:58,347 --> 01:24:01,347
Speaker 3: necessarily want to talk specifically about that case, but more

1646
01:24:01,907 --> 01:24:07,507
Speaker 3: generally about whether it's okay for coaches to disagree inside

1647
01:24:07,587 --> 01:24:10,867
Speaker 3: their environment, if challenging ideas is actually a good thing,

1648
01:24:11,667 --> 01:24:14,867
Speaker 3: and can players tell if the coaches are not on

1649
01:24:14,947 --> 01:24:17,147
Speaker 3: the same page. Wayne goldsmiths standing by the chat to us.

1650
01:24:17,307 --> 01:24:19,747
Speaker 3: I also want to catch up with coach of the

1651
01:24:19,867 --> 01:24:23,987
Speaker 3: Futsal Whites, Marven Ekins. They're about to head off for

1652
01:24:24,227 --> 01:24:28,787
Speaker 3: their first ever Futsal World Cup, our men's futsal team

1653
01:24:29,187 --> 01:24:32,667
Speaker 3: it's an Uzbekistan. Marven Ekins has named a squad for

1654
01:24:32,707 --> 01:24:35,587
Speaker 3: that tournament. Did in the week past? Hell have a

1655
01:24:35,667 --> 01:24:39,187
Speaker 3: chat to us shortly too. Your calls and correspondents continue

1656
01:24:39,187 --> 01:24:41,067
Speaker 3: to be welcome. Our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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01:24:41,147 --> 01:24:43,227
Speaker 3: nine two nine to two on text updating live sport

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Speaker 3: Otago of Hammered Taranaki and the parah Partmer Cup sixty

1659
01:24:47,187 --> 01:24:51,747
Speaker 3: points to seventeen. What a hiding Bunning's MPC. They're about

1660
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Speaker 3: to get underway or just have at Albany, North Harbor

1661
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Speaker 3: and Counties Manico Taranaki Otago at two thirty five and

1662
01:24:58,747 --> 01:25:01,107
Speaker 3: in the Heartland Championship, I can tell you that it

1663
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Speaker 3: has not been a happy hosting of north Otago for

1664
01:25:05,147 --> 01:25:08,467
Speaker 3: whited Up Abush and Mass. Ten minutes into the second

1665
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Speaker 3: half and it's north Otago fifty five five ahead of

1666
01:25:12,627 --> 01:25:17,907
Speaker 3: white it Up a bush. So yeah, the Master and

1667
01:25:18,027 --> 01:25:20,507
Speaker 3: faithful will not the not be that enamored with that.

1668
01:25:20,707 --> 01:25:23,147
Speaker 3: I'm sure eight and a half past two it is

1669
01:25:23,427 --> 01:25:25,307
Speaker 3: in Poperin's won the second set as you heard in

1670
01:25:25,347 --> 01:25:28,227
Speaker 3: these sports news, So Alexei Popron two sets to love

1671
01:25:28,267 --> 01:25:30,947
Speaker 3: ahead of Novak Djokovic enter the third set. They go

1672
01:25:31,067 --> 01:25:33,827
Speaker 3: on Arthur Rash with Novak Djokovic now in a fight

1673
01:25:34,027 --> 01:25:36,787
Speaker 3: to stay in the US Open. Nine past two, As

1674
01:25:36,827 --> 01:25:38,347
Speaker 3: we always do that it a round about this time

1675
01:25:38,427 --> 01:25:41,307
Speaker 3: on a Saturday and Sunday afternoon. Let's get you across

1676
01:25:41,347 --> 01:25:44,707
Speaker 3: some of the stuff you modermist Andy McDonnell's world famous

1677
01:25:44,747 --> 01:25:48,867
Speaker 3: and kashamist At segment, starting with cycling a stage win

1678
01:25:49,387 --> 01:25:52,427
Speaker 3: at Love Welter for Canadian champion Mike Woods.

1679
01:25:52,787 --> 01:25:54,947
Speaker 25: This team still haven't won a stage in this Welter

1680
01:25:55,027 --> 01:25:57,347
Speaker 25: has fund you so far and Mike Woods is going

1681
01:25:57,387 --> 01:25:57,787
Speaker 25: to put.

1682
01:25:57,667 --> 01:25:58,267
Speaker 21: A change to that.

1683
01:25:59,027 --> 01:26:00,627
Speaker 6: Michael Woods, the Canadian road.

1684
01:26:00,547 --> 01:26:03,827
Speaker 25: Race Champion, is going to win stage thirteen at the Welter.

1685
01:26:04,587 --> 01:26:09,587
Speaker 25: Three stage wins in the Dweltzer leaked up four ill Crentils.

1686
01:26:09,347 --> 01:26:11,467
Speaker 3: Are bit closer to home in the NRL. The Manly

1687
01:26:11,627 --> 01:26:14,627
Speaker 3: Sea Eagles putting on a dominant display against the Bulldogs

1688
01:26:14,707 --> 01:26:15,107
Speaker 3: last night.

1689
01:26:15,347 --> 01:26:18,787
Speaker 22: Brand Brand to Jerry Evans, cut out all there's Gary

1690
01:26:18,827 --> 01:26:19,507
Speaker 22: grinding your.

1691
01:26:19,667 --> 01:26:21,707
Speaker 6: Pets back at Scars.

1692
01:26:22,027 --> 01:26:25,867
Speaker 4: Oh, they're putting on a clinic. The merely sety girls.

1693
01:26:25,747 --> 01:26:28,667
Speaker 3: Are turning it on tonight and winning at thirty four

1694
01:26:28,667 --> 01:26:32,667
Speaker 3: to twenty two. No surprises between Penrith and South Sydney.

1695
01:26:32,867 --> 01:26:34,707
Speaker 3: He's enormous, Isaiah.

1696
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Speaker 24: Here's Luye now into the backfield looking for Taruba.

1697
01:26:39,747 --> 01:26:44,187
Speaker 6: He set sail again. Taruba has a double in the.

1698
01:26:44,267 --> 01:26:47,467
Speaker 3: Space of two minutes, Penrith running away with it, winning

1699
01:26:47,467 --> 01:26:52,147
Speaker 3: thirty four to twelve to the NPC Southland coming from

1700
01:26:52,187 --> 01:26:56,187
Speaker 3: a long way back to beat their distance rivals Northland

1701
01:26:56,227 --> 01:26:57,987
Speaker 3: and FuG it a. It's an awful bounce.

1702
01:26:57,827 --> 01:27:01,307
Speaker 5: For Northwold and it'll come through the arms of the bend.

1703
01:27:01,787 --> 01:27:03,667
Speaker 3: Here you got the bounce of a rugby ball.

1704
01:27:03,907 --> 01:27:07,427
Speaker 21: Not contained by Northern and it bounces into the arms.

1705
01:27:07,427 --> 01:27:09,027
Speaker 2: Of Ben Booth down Town.

1706
01:27:09,147 --> 01:27:11,147
Speaker 6: But he kicks it at the touch and it's the

1707
01:27:11,267 --> 01:27:14,067
Speaker 6: South and Bags that will take the victory.

1708
01:27:14,347 --> 01:27:17,387
Speaker 3: Incredible rarely thirty one twenty six they won it. They

1709
01:27:17,467 --> 01:27:21,907
Speaker 3: were twenty six seven behind and half time. So what's

1710
01:27:21,947 --> 01:27:24,307
Speaker 3: that twenty four unanswered points to win it? And our

1711
01:27:24,387 --> 01:27:27,387
Speaker 3: first medal at the Paralympic Games in Paris has gone

1712
01:27:27,427 --> 01:27:28,787
Speaker 3: to cyclist Anna Taylor.

1713
01:27:29,467 --> 01:27:31,307
Speaker 2: NA catch the gun.

1714
01:27:32,987 --> 01:27:33,947
Speaker 8: And that is the gun.

1715
01:27:34,027 --> 01:27:34,747
Speaker 3: That's the race.

1716
01:27:35,427 --> 01:27:39,787
Speaker 20: Anna Taylor read out fast but couldn't sustain that case

1717
01:27:40,507 --> 01:27:41,907
Speaker 20: with Taylor, who will take silver?

1718
01:27:42,147 --> 01:27:42,987
Speaker 3: Four News edit.

1719
01:27:43,587 --> 01:27:48,667
Speaker 1: Breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fails weekends

1720
01:27:48,747 --> 01:27:51,227
Speaker 1: for it with Jason hin new Stork.

1721
01:27:51,267 --> 01:27:54,067
Speaker 3: Zenb I'm not have spoken to so. Novak Djokovic has

1722
01:27:54,107 --> 01:27:57,827
Speaker 3: broken Alexipopron in the second game of the third set.

1723
01:27:57,827 --> 01:28:00,267
Speaker 3: He's two love ahead and serving for three love now

1724
01:28:00,387 --> 01:28:03,747
Speaker 3: so but more to come in the Popron Djokovic match

1725
01:28:03,947 --> 01:28:06,707
Speaker 3: on Arthur Ash major up evil in the in the

1726
01:28:06,747 --> 01:28:09,307
Speaker 3: last ten days, Leon McDonald leaving the coaching group after

1727
01:28:09,347 --> 01:28:11,947
Speaker 3: the second Test against Argentina, and it brought it to

1728
01:28:11,987 --> 01:28:16,027
Speaker 3: focus some wider questions around coaching groups and the dynamics

1729
01:28:16,107 --> 01:28:20,107
Speaker 3: at play within them. What happens when coaches working together

1730
01:28:20,787 --> 01:28:24,947
Speaker 3: differ on key principles? Can those differences be resolved? And

1731
01:28:25,147 --> 01:28:29,507
Speaker 3: can disagreement and challenging ideas actually be a good thing?

1732
01:28:29,787 --> 01:28:32,667
Speaker 3: How disruptive does it meantime for the players when they

1733
01:28:32,787 --> 01:28:36,787
Speaker 3: may be hearing mixed messages and are potentially aligned to

1734
01:28:36,947 --> 01:28:39,627
Speaker 3: one coach or another through having played under them in

1735
01:28:39,707 --> 01:28:43,147
Speaker 3: previous sides. Well, to provide some perspective, the only voice

1736
01:28:43,187 --> 01:28:46,867
Speaker 3: I know to give us the top drawer analysis is

1737
01:28:47,307 --> 01:28:51,427
Speaker 3: our weekend sport coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith. Wayne, thanks for

1738
01:28:51,507 --> 01:28:54,907
Speaker 3: joining us on this topic, which I'm really interesting interested

1739
01:28:54,947 --> 01:28:57,667
Speaker 3: to hear thoughts on pretty simple question. First of all,

1740
01:28:57,947 --> 01:29:02,347
Speaker 3: do coaches who work together actually have to be friends?

1741
01:29:03,427 --> 01:29:06,787
Speaker 9: Well, the short answer is no, piny The in a

1742
01:29:06,907 --> 01:29:09,787
Speaker 9: perfect world, yes, in a perfect world, they get up

1743
01:29:09,827 --> 01:29:14,067
Speaker 9: on game day, they get breakfast together and talk about footy,

1744
01:29:14,267 --> 01:29:16,867
Speaker 9: they don't have a game of goal for a game

1745
01:29:16,907 --> 01:29:21,867
Speaker 9: of squash, and there's this a camaraderie, genuine friendship and affection,

1746
01:29:22,547 --> 01:29:25,987
Speaker 9: but it's not essential. If you think about coaching as

1747
01:29:26,027 --> 01:29:29,227
Speaker 9: a workplace that we've all been in workplaces that have

1748
01:29:29,387 --> 01:29:33,147
Speaker 9: really hummed, that have been effective, But we don't necessarily

1749
01:29:33,387 --> 01:29:35,787
Speaker 9: like each other or know each other's partners and kids,

1750
01:29:35,827 --> 01:29:39,267
Speaker 9: and we don't do those things. But we're professionals and

1751
01:29:39,307 --> 01:29:42,587
Speaker 9: we just find a way of getting on friendship, getting

1752
01:29:42,627 --> 01:29:47,027
Speaker 9: on well as human beings and celebrating an authentic care

1753
01:29:47,107 --> 01:29:50,187
Speaker 9: and connection. That's a bonus in the end is are

1754
01:29:50,267 --> 01:29:53,187
Speaker 9: they getting the job done? That's they're hired to do

1755
01:29:53,307 --> 01:29:56,267
Speaker 9: a job, which is in that case create an environment

1756
01:29:56,707 --> 01:30:00,067
Speaker 9: where success is almost an inevitability of course of the

1757
01:30:00,147 --> 01:30:04,027
Speaker 9: expectations of the New Zealand public and rugby public, of

1758
01:30:04,227 --> 01:30:05,107
Speaker 9: the All Blacks team.

1759
01:30:05,667 --> 01:30:09,987
Speaker 3: So that that coaches aren't necessarily friends and as you've

1760
01:30:10,027 --> 01:30:12,987
Speaker 3: outlined it, it's not absolutely crucial. It's a bonus, but

1761
01:30:13,147 --> 01:30:16,907
Speaker 3: not absolutely crucial. How important is it though, for those

1762
01:30:17,027 --> 01:30:20,507
Speaker 3: coaches to present a united front to their players?

1763
01:30:21,787 --> 01:30:25,347
Speaker 9: Absolutely that what you've said there, that is that's the

1764
01:30:25,467 --> 01:30:28,627
Speaker 9: real issue. So I know my experience working in the

1765
01:30:28,707 --> 01:30:32,667
Speaker 9: actual coaching rooms in rugby and Super rugby, even up

1766
01:30:32,707 --> 01:30:36,987
Speaker 9: the test level in AFL, and in definitely in rugby league.

1767
01:30:37,427 --> 01:30:40,027
Speaker 9: The general thing is that in what we say the

1768
01:30:40,107 --> 01:30:43,227
Speaker 9: coaches room, which is coaches come in cup of coffee

1769
01:30:43,547 --> 01:30:46,787
Speaker 9: and they start talking about selections or the next game,

1770
01:30:46,987 --> 01:30:50,827
Speaker 9: or strategies or recruitment, whatever it might be. The general

1771
01:30:50,907 --> 01:30:55,227
Speaker 9: rule is once that door is closed, it's well, let's

1772
01:30:55,267 --> 01:30:58,027
Speaker 9: get into it. And I should be able to in

1773
01:30:58,387 --> 01:31:04,787
Speaker 9: an effective environment where there's good leadership, good connections, consistency

1774
01:31:04,867 --> 01:31:06,907
Speaker 9: of relationships and the way we will with each other.

1775
01:31:07,147 --> 01:31:08,467
Speaker 9: I should be able to look at the head coach

1776
01:31:08,507 --> 01:31:10,787
Speaker 9: and say, mate, you're wrong on this, and the head

1777
01:31:10,827 --> 01:31:13,187
Speaker 9: coach will look back at me and say tell me why,

1778
01:31:13,347 --> 01:31:15,907
Speaker 9: and let's bash it out. And I've made I've been

1779
01:31:15,947 --> 01:31:19,667
Speaker 9: in those rooms and it's got heated and it's got challenging.

1780
01:31:19,867 --> 01:31:23,067
Speaker 9: But the key year is as soon as the hend

1781
01:31:23,587 --> 01:31:27,627
Speaker 9: goes on the doorknob again, to leave the room, one voice,

1782
01:31:28,027 --> 01:31:33,587
Speaker 9: united front, consistent messages, no ambiguity, and very very clear.

1783
01:31:34,187 --> 01:31:37,467
Speaker 9: And I've seen those rooms almost get the throwing things

1784
01:31:37,507 --> 01:31:42,587
Speaker 9: stage and whole range of stuff, and it's robust and

1785
01:31:42,707 --> 01:31:45,787
Speaker 9: it's vigorous and it has to be because if the

1786
01:31:45,947 --> 01:31:49,467
Speaker 9: people charge with leading the team can't be honest and

1787
01:31:49,707 --> 01:31:52,627
Speaker 9: direct with each other, then once they leave the room,

1788
01:31:52,787 --> 01:31:55,907
Speaker 9: there is an opportunity for ambiguity and different messages. So

1789
01:31:56,067 --> 01:31:59,227
Speaker 9: you get it all out, you thrash it out in honesty,

1790
01:31:59,507 --> 01:32:03,827
Speaker 9: with respect of course, and real integrity, but you get

1791
01:32:03,867 --> 01:32:06,667
Speaker 9: it all out, and then as soon as they end

1792
01:32:06,747 --> 01:32:11,907
Speaker 9: or goes, it's one voice, one team, one message, no ambiguity,

1793
01:32:12,427 --> 01:32:18,027
Speaker 9: absolutely clear, and that's a very very healthy professional coaching environment.

1794
01:32:18,147 --> 01:32:18,347
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1795
01:32:18,347 --> 01:32:21,467
Speaker 3: Because and just as you're saying that, I'm envisaging these

1796
01:32:21,547 --> 01:32:27,067
Speaker 3: discussions where you know there is a robust dialogue and disagreement.

1797
01:32:27,147 --> 01:32:29,747
Speaker 3: Obviously that's been a way and isn't it than just

1798
01:32:29,827 --> 01:32:32,107
Speaker 3: a bunch of assistants who nod their head all the time.

1799
01:32:33,107 --> 01:32:36,147
Speaker 9: And it has to be because I'll give you an example.

1800
01:32:36,427 --> 01:32:40,227
Speaker 9: I had a wonderful, just a wonderful opportunity to work

1801
01:32:40,307 --> 01:32:42,787
Speaker 9: with Racing Victoria for a few years and I mentored

1802
01:32:42,867 --> 01:32:45,707
Speaker 9: and coach, believe it or not, There's Stewards and their

1803
01:32:45,747 --> 01:32:50,147
Speaker 9: Integrity team and the way that the chief Steward, Terry Bailey,

1804
01:32:50,307 --> 01:32:53,147
Speaker 9: is just an amazing guy. The way he would put it.

1805
01:32:53,267 --> 01:32:56,747
Speaker 9: He said, we're about to tell people that the race

1806
01:32:57,067 --> 01:33:00,987
Speaker 9: was legal. We're about to say correct weight. That has

1807
01:33:01,107 --> 01:33:05,147
Speaker 9: to be a decision that our group has made that's

1808
01:33:05,227 --> 01:33:09,147
Speaker 9: been tested, because once we make the decision, the media,

1809
01:33:09,307 --> 01:33:12,867
Speaker 9: the public, the jockey, the trainer, the owner, everyone's going

1810
01:33:12,947 --> 01:33:15,307
Speaker 9: to rip it the pieces and look for any finy

1811
01:33:15,507 --> 01:33:18,747
Speaker 9: flaw to try and prove that we were wrong. So

1812
01:33:18,907 --> 01:33:21,427
Speaker 9: he said, in our decision making as a group, as

1813
01:33:21,467 --> 01:33:28,627
Speaker 9: a group of stewards, we have to be direct, honest, critical, confronting.

1814
01:33:29,107 --> 01:33:31,347
Speaker 9: We have to be able to be those things so

1815
01:33:31,547 --> 01:33:37,107
Speaker 9: that the decision we make collectively has been rigorously tested, challenged,

1816
01:33:37,387 --> 01:33:39,587
Speaker 9: and then when we make it, if someone wants to

1817
01:33:39,627 --> 01:33:42,547
Speaker 9: dispute it, that's great. But men, amen, we've tapped into

1818
01:33:42,587 --> 01:33:45,707
Speaker 9: the collective expertise and some really good people. And that's

1819
01:33:45,747 --> 01:33:48,347
Speaker 9: what you see in great footy teams is that the

1820
01:33:48,547 --> 01:33:52,307
Speaker 9: power of honesty and the power of trust, and the

1821
01:33:52,467 --> 01:33:55,867
Speaker 9: power of that directness to challenge each other makes the

1822
01:33:55,987 --> 01:33:59,147
Speaker 9: decision stronger. And my caught off and the head coach

1823
01:33:59,307 --> 01:34:02,707
Speaker 9: is wrong. Having a group of people to say it,

1824
01:34:03,347 --> 01:34:05,187
Speaker 9: but do it, not just hey, you're wrong and we

1825
01:34:05,227 --> 01:34:07,387
Speaker 9: don't like you because we don't like your hair or

1826
01:34:07,467 --> 01:34:09,787
Speaker 9: your smell a bit. I'm not talking about that. So

1827
01:34:09,987 --> 01:34:14,867
Speaker 9: I'm saying intelligent discussion, really vigorous, very direct in saying, coach,

1828
01:34:14,907 --> 01:34:17,507
Speaker 9: I think you've got it wrong. Here's the evidence, here's

1829
01:34:17,587 --> 01:34:21,187
Speaker 9: the data, here's what I've come up with. Head coach thinks,

1830
01:34:22,427 --> 01:34:25,467
Speaker 9: reviews it, puts it through the process and might say, look,

1831
01:34:25,507 --> 01:34:28,227
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I disagree, And ultimately it's my head on

1832
01:34:28,307 --> 01:34:30,707
Speaker 9: the chopping block and I choose to go this way

1833
01:34:30,787 --> 01:34:34,307
Speaker 9: or my decision is. But the more vigorous and the

1834
01:34:34,467 --> 01:34:38,707
Speaker 9: more direct, and the more honest that those relationships are,

1835
01:34:38,787 --> 01:34:42,787
Speaker 9: and the more direct the conversation is, the stronger, and

1836
01:34:43,667 --> 01:34:46,267
Speaker 9: in all likelihood, the better the decision is when they

1837
01:34:46,307 --> 01:34:48,107
Speaker 9: step out of the room. And that's what you want,

1838
01:34:48,627 --> 01:34:53,427
Speaker 9: is a decision that's been tested that will withstand criticism,

1839
01:34:53,667 --> 01:34:56,907
Speaker 9: the oppositions, attacks, and all those things once they leave

1840
01:34:56,947 --> 01:34:57,267
Speaker 9: the room.

1841
01:34:57,707 --> 01:35:00,067
Speaker 3: Okay, so you've outlined the healthy environment there, and you

1842
01:35:00,147 --> 01:35:02,147
Speaker 3: spoke before about once the hand goes on the door

1843
01:35:02,387 --> 01:35:05,227
Speaker 3: doorknob to open the door out into the playing group,

1844
01:35:05,347 --> 01:35:09,067
Speaker 3: that there has to be the united front if there's not, Wayne,

1845
01:35:09,707 --> 01:35:13,667
Speaker 3: do you think players can sense disharmony in a coaching group.

1846
01:35:15,347 --> 01:35:18,267
Speaker 9: No, I think they do. I call it the Mum

1847
01:35:18,307 --> 01:35:20,547
Speaker 9: and Dad can have a bowl of ice cream routine,

1848
01:35:20,627 --> 01:35:23,867
Speaker 9: because I think some players just get on with it.

1849
01:35:24,107 --> 01:35:26,787
Speaker 9: They're professionals, they get on with but I think some

1850
01:35:26,987 --> 01:35:31,027
Speaker 9: of them they want a particular thing, so they might

1851
01:35:31,107 --> 01:35:34,547
Speaker 9: want to play in a position. One case says no, look,

1852
01:35:34,587 --> 01:35:36,547
Speaker 9: I think you're absolutely where you should be. You should

1853
01:35:36,547 --> 01:35:38,467
Speaker 9: be a nine or a three, or you should be

1854
01:35:38,547 --> 01:35:41,107
Speaker 9: up front, whatever it is. And the case well, no,

1855
01:35:41,187 --> 01:35:42,987
Speaker 9: actually I think I want to be another side, and

1856
01:35:43,067 --> 01:35:46,107
Speaker 9: they go looking for an alternate view or someone who

1857
01:35:46,107 --> 01:35:48,547
Speaker 9: will listen to them, or maybe some that have given

1858
01:35:48,547 --> 01:35:52,507
Speaker 9: them a different perspective. That becomes the danger because then

1859
01:35:52,547 --> 01:35:54,307
Speaker 9: the players think you hang on if I go to mum.

1860
01:35:54,787 --> 01:35:57,267
Speaker 9: In the same analogy, if I go to mum, Mum

1861
01:35:57,307 --> 01:35:59,107
Speaker 9: says yes, you can have ice cream. That's if you can't,

1862
01:35:59,347 --> 01:36:01,787
Speaker 9: or says go ask your mother. Players are not quite

1863
01:36:01,827 --> 01:36:04,547
Speaker 9: sure that. One of the greatest things I've ever heard

1864
01:36:04,627 --> 01:36:08,027
Speaker 9: Eddie Jones say. He said the secret to success in

1865
01:36:08,147 --> 01:36:14,307
Speaker 9: professional rugby is role clarity. People must know very clearly

1866
01:36:14,827 --> 01:36:17,907
Speaker 9: and very accurately, what their job is, what they're supposed

1867
01:36:17,907 --> 01:36:20,147
Speaker 9: to do when they're supposed to do it and to

1868
01:36:20,267 --> 01:36:22,587
Speaker 9: what standard it has to be done. And he said,

1869
01:36:22,627 --> 01:36:25,507
Speaker 9: you go through any team in the world where there's ambiguity,

1870
01:36:26,027 --> 01:36:31,787
Speaker 9: uncertainty two messages, the teams inevitably fail. So it's got

1871
01:36:31,867 --> 01:36:35,027
Speaker 9: to be very consistent. Those things have got to be

1872
01:36:35,107 --> 01:36:38,667
Speaker 9: there because players all sense. I have no doubt whatsoever

1873
01:36:39,347 --> 01:36:41,707
Speaker 9: that players they listen to the language, they look at

1874
01:36:41,747 --> 01:36:44,187
Speaker 9: the body language, they look at the way the coaches

1875
01:36:44,227 --> 01:36:48,267
Speaker 9: in Iraq and I don't know, no matter how confidential

1876
01:36:48,387 --> 01:36:51,307
Speaker 9: you think things are inside a footy club, they all

1877
01:36:51,427 --> 01:36:55,227
Speaker 9: leak everybody right up to international level. Everybody knows what

1878
01:36:55,347 --> 01:36:59,067
Speaker 9: everybody else knows within thirty seconds. What if somebody say,

1879
01:36:59,227 --> 01:37:01,987
Speaker 9: once if you don't know what's going on, wait thirty seconds,

1880
01:37:02,347 --> 01:37:05,827
Speaker 9: everybody knows what's going on. The problem with it is, though,

1881
01:37:06,107 --> 01:37:10,227
Speaker 9: is if these different voices different views, it's like the

1882
01:37:10,267 --> 01:37:14,227
Speaker 9: old military saying anything that can be misunderstood will be misunderstood.

1883
01:37:14,667 --> 01:37:17,267
Speaker 9: And then you've got holes all over the place where

1884
01:37:17,267 --> 01:37:18,667
Speaker 9: people are getting different messages.

1885
01:37:19,707 --> 01:37:22,067
Speaker 3: A phrase you've used a lot in our conversations, Wayne,

1886
01:37:22,787 --> 01:37:25,027
Speaker 3: is when there's a decision to make or a choice

1887
01:37:25,027 --> 01:37:28,787
Speaker 3: to make, you've said you can accept it, change it,

1888
01:37:29,467 --> 01:37:32,147
Speaker 3: or leave it. And in this case, obviously they decided

1889
01:37:32,187 --> 01:37:35,787
Speaker 3: that that change had to happen, or in fact someone

1890
01:37:35,867 --> 01:37:38,507
Speaker 3: had to leave, and that was Leo McDonald. Is there

1891
01:37:38,627 --> 01:37:40,667
Speaker 3: merit in the fact they did that quickly rather than

1892
01:37:40,747 --> 01:37:41,587
Speaker 3: let the sort of linger.

1893
01:37:42,787 --> 01:37:47,907
Speaker 9: I think so. And usually it's Iceberg principle. What we're seeing,

1894
01:37:48,067 --> 01:37:51,347
Speaker 9: what we're hearing, what's got out into the public. Remember,

1895
01:37:51,387 --> 01:37:58,307
Speaker 9: that's been shielded, protected, it's been filtered by a whole

1896
01:37:58,467 --> 01:38:03,187
Speaker 9: mechanism of pr marketing, whole group that's designed to keep

1897
01:38:03,227 --> 01:38:05,347
Speaker 9: things as tight as they possibly can, and not just

1898
01:38:05,507 --> 01:38:09,187
Speaker 9: the completely in the public domain. And that's in any company,

1899
01:38:09,947 --> 01:38:12,667
Speaker 9: not just in footy teams. So what you're seeing has

1900
01:38:12,827 --> 01:38:18,227
Speaker 9: probably been suspected, known, dealt with behind closed doors for

1901
01:38:18,707 --> 01:38:19,867
Speaker 9: maybe weeks or months.

1902
01:38:20,107 --> 01:38:20,547
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1903
01:38:20,667 --> 01:38:25,987
Speaker 9: I have no insight or any direct relationship with Rugby

1904
01:38:26,027 --> 01:38:28,427
Speaker 9: New Zealand all the all blacks, but I suspect if

1905
01:38:28,467 --> 01:38:31,827
Speaker 9: it's got to that stage, it's more than likely been

1906
01:38:31,947 --> 01:38:35,747
Speaker 9: something that's accumulated over a period of time. And there's

1907
01:38:36,227 --> 01:38:39,747
Speaker 9: that wonderful phrasey which is think slightly backed fast. I

1908
01:38:39,827 --> 01:38:42,387
Speaker 9: think you get to a point where you go this

1909
01:38:43,067 --> 01:38:46,667
Speaker 9: this is going to create or is creating division, uncertainty,

1910
01:38:47,107 --> 01:38:49,747
Speaker 9: lack of clarity, which is now being reflected on field.

1911
01:38:50,187 --> 01:38:52,227
Speaker 9: We've got to make a decision. Let's make it fast

1912
01:38:52,827 --> 01:38:57,067
Speaker 9: and move on, obviously with all transparency and integrity and

1913
01:38:57,147 --> 01:39:00,667
Speaker 9: respect for the player, for the coach, and making sure

1914
01:39:00,707 --> 01:39:06,467
Speaker 9: that they're being treated appropriately and upfront, because sometimes it

1915
01:39:06,507 --> 01:39:09,827
Speaker 9: doesn't happen that way. I know a NRL coaching friend

1916
01:39:09,867 --> 01:39:12,187
Speaker 9: of mine. I think I might have shared this story

1917
01:39:12,227 --> 01:39:15,667
Speaker 9: with you previously, but went to the NRL team in

1918
01:39:15,707 --> 01:39:18,387
Speaker 9: the morning. CEO called him in and said, mate, we've

1919
01:39:18,427 --> 01:39:22,107
Speaker 9: made a decision overnight. You're out and this guy, this

1920
01:39:22,227 --> 01:39:24,867
Speaker 9: big burly guy steading behind you, is going to escort

1921
01:39:24,907 --> 01:39:27,027
Speaker 9: you to your office, put your stuff in a box

1922
01:39:27,227 --> 01:39:30,187
Speaker 9: and leave. Your passwords have been changed. And by the way,

1923
01:39:30,227 --> 01:39:33,267
Speaker 9: we've already told the players, and we've got a little

1924
01:39:33,387 --> 01:39:35,547
Speaker 9: note here saying that you're not allowed to directly talk

1925
01:39:35,627 --> 01:39:38,507
Speaker 9: to the players about this issue for a period of

1926
01:39:38,547 --> 01:39:41,507
Speaker 9: time as part of your severance. So sometimes it's done

1927
01:39:41,627 --> 01:39:45,067
Speaker 9: really badly, with no respect for the coach and with

1928
01:39:45,227 --> 01:39:48,267
Speaker 9: a real lack of integrity. Other times it's not working.

1929
01:39:48,747 --> 01:39:51,187
Speaker 9: We need to make a change. You know it's not working.

1930
01:39:51,827 --> 01:39:54,707
Speaker 9: Let's move on. Really quickly. The hardest thing I made

1931
01:39:54,867 --> 01:39:57,667
Speaker 9: is so much of this game that we're in is

1932
01:39:57,707 --> 01:40:01,067
Speaker 9: about the relationship between the coach and the athletes, and

1933
01:40:01,187 --> 01:40:05,187
Speaker 9: it can feel like you're losing family members. That's the

1934
01:40:05,227 --> 01:40:07,747
Speaker 9: hardest thing quite often is you know you can always

1935
01:40:07,747 --> 01:40:11,667
Speaker 9: get another job, particularly a high level New Zealand rugby coach.

1936
01:40:11,747 --> 01:40:14,107
Speaker 9: Gud you guys are in so much demand all over

1937
01:40:14,187 --> 01:40:17,107
Speaker 9: the world. But on a personal level, you feel like

1938
01:40:17,667 --> 01:40:21,307
Speaker 9: you know, you've spent all this time building relationships and

1939
01:40:21,387 --> 01:40:24,907
Speaker 9: friendships with players and then it's gone. That's that's the

1940
01:40:24,947 --> 01:40:27,267
Speaker 9: part that really hurts the individual coach.

1941
01:40:27,987 --> 01:40:31,067
Speaker 3: I want to finish with this absolutely brilliant line that

1942
01:40:31,187 --> 01:40:34,347
Speaker 3: you sent when I asked you about the segment and

1943
01:40:34,427 --> 01:40:37,547
Speaker 3: you said you can't beat an opponent by punching them

1944
01:40:37,587 --> 01:40:40,947
Speaker 3: with one hand while you're punching yourself with the other.

1945
01:40:41,067 --> 01:40:44,427
Speaker 3: I thought that was absolutely terrific. So unity of purpose

1946
01:40:44,747 --> 01:40:48,067
Speaker 3: and unity of action, unity of everything, really, that's probably

1947
01:40:48,147 --> 01:40:50,067
Speaker 3: what it all boils down to, right, You've got to

1948
01:40:50,067 --> 01:40:50,667
Speaker 3: be unified.

1949
01:40:51,587 --> 01:40:52,067
Speaker 10: Well, it is.

1950
01:40:52,147 --> 01:40:56,667
Speaker 9: And the issue with the All Blacks, as always, they're

1951
01:40:56,747 --> 01:40:59,067
Speaker 9: the team that everybody wants to beat because they're so

1952
01:40:59,307 --> 01:41:02,987
Speaker 9: damn good. I mean, you know, and you know I'm

1953
01:41:03,027 --> 01:41:06,947
Speaker 9: a big fan of New Zealand sports generally. But if

1954
01:41:06,987 --> 01:41:09,667
Speaker 9: you're a coach, your first mindset is, yeah, we're going

1955
01:41:09,747 --> 01:41:12,627
Speaker 9: okay over here, we've beaten a couple of teams in Europe,

1956
01:41:12,707 --> 01:41:14,627
Speaker 9: or we're going to write but what would we do

1957
01:41:14,707 --> 01:41:19,347
Speaker 9: against the all Blacks? And everybody's coming after you all

1958
01:41:19,427 --> 01:41:21,187
Speaker 9: the time. We know how good the South Africans are,

1959
01:41:21,627 --> 01:41:25,227
Speaker 9: We're now good the Irish are. There's everybody wants to

1960
01:41:25,307 --> 01:41:30,347
Speaker 9: beat you, guys, And as a consequence, what you do

1961
01:41:30,627 --> 01:41:34,427
Speaker 9: has to be unified, very clear and very strong.

1962
01:41:34,947 --> 01:41:35,987
Speaker 26: And you can't.

1963
01:41:36,187 --> 01:41:38,227
Speaker 9: It's like a boxer. You can't. But no matter what

1964
01:41:38,347 --> 01:41:41,067
Speaker 9: sort of a boxer you are, you could be Mike

1965
01:41:41,107 --> 01:41:45,267
Speaker 9: Tyson times five. You can't be in the ring sparring

1966
01:41:45,347 --> 01:41:48,307
Speaker 9: and putting out your jab hand while you're giving yourself

1967
01:41:48,307 --> 01:41:51,587
Speaker 9: an uppercut. It just doesn't make sense. And knowing that

1968
01:41:51,787 --> 01:41:54,427
Speaker 9: so many teams are coming to beat you because you're

1969
01:41:54,507 --> 01:41:57,627
Speaker 9: so good, it has to be with both hands out

1970
01:41:57,667 --> 01:42:00,707
Speaker 9: in front and fighting with both hands on deck, which

1971
01:42:00,827 --> 01:42:04,347
Speaker 9: means unity of direction and purpose and all those things

1972
01:42:04,707 --> 01:42:07,307
Speaker 9: which your teams have been no for for so long.

1973
01:42:07,547 --> 01:42:09,867
Speaker 9: When something the great work Gilbert had notics done over

1974
01:42:09,907 --> 01:42:13,427
Speaker 9: the years, and when Smithy and Handso and all those

1975
01:42:13,547 --> 01:42:17,227
Speaker 9: great great coaches and Graham, Henry and all those incredible

1976
01:42:17,947 --> 01:42:22,867
Speaker 9: that it just seemed like the strength and the unity

1977
01:42:23,347 --> 01:42:27,907
Speaker 9: in every area of the team was what gave you

1978
01:42:27,947 --> 01:42:30,227
Speaker 9: a winning edge, in addition obviously to player talent and

1979
01:42:30,267 --> 01:42:34,147
Speaker 9: everything else. But you just screwened unity in the Black Jumper.

1980
01:42:34,187 --> 01:42:37,147
Speaker 9: And I think that's has been and always will be

1981
01:42:37,227 --> 01:42:37,707
Speaker 9: the key.

1982
01:42:38,227 --> 01:42:40,947
Speaker 3: On And you're right in sight and analysis as always

1983
01:42:41,307 --> 01:42:43,907
Speaker 3: greatly appreciated by me and by our listeners as well.

1984
01:42:44,147 --> 01:42:45,987
Speaker 3: Thanks so much taking the time. Are you an All

1985
01:42:46,027 --> 01:42:47,667
Speaker 3: Blacks fan though? Will that be fair or not?

1986
01:42:48,427 --> 01:42:52,307
Speaker 9: Well? I watch the All Blacks unless they're up against

1987
01:42:52,787 --> 01:42:55,067
Speaker 9: the Wallabies, in which case I just sit there crying

1988
01:42:55,107 --> 01:42:58,867
Speaker 9: into my bee glass. But no, it's just I think

1989
01:42:58,947 --> 01:43:05,707
Speaker 9: you've got to appreciate just the consistency of execution at

1990
01:43:05,827 --> 01:43:08,707
Speaker 9: speed and power. I mean, everybody you know over the years,

1991
01:43:08,747 --> 01:43:11,267
Speaker 9: it's sad, every going to have beaten you at different times,

1992
01:43:11,307 --> 01:43:13,627
Speaker 9: and from time to time you get a challenge. But

1993
01:43:13,707 --> 01:43:16,307
Speaker 9: if you go back over twenty thirty forty years that

1994
01:43:16,347 --> 01:43:20,067
Speaker 9: I've been watching rugby, the ability of a nation of

1995
01:43:20,667 --> 01:43:23,467
Speaker 9: three and a half four million people to produce that

1996
01:43:23,707 --> 01:43:27,987
Speaker 9: level of skill, which is consistently executed with that much

1997
01:43:28,107 --> 01:43:31,067
Speaker 9: power and speed, is still remarkable. I don't think there's

1998
01:43:31,067 --> 01:43:34,667
Speaker 9: another sporting story like it, so absolutely, but yeah, mate,

1999
01:43:34,747 --> 01:43:37,587
Speaker 9: Obviously when they're up begins to Green and Gold Jumper,

2000
01:43:38,027 --> 01:43:41,907
Speaker 9: I try to watch it and look at the screen.

2001
01:43:41,947 --> 01:43:43,707
Speaker 9: I try to get some level of enjoyment and just

2002
01:43:43,787 --> 01:43:46,107
Speaker 9: appreciate that. You know, at least if we get within

2003
01:43:46,187 --> 01:43:47,427
Speaker 9: fifty points, we're quite happy.

2004
01:43:48,067 --> 01:43:50,147
Speaker 3: Again, Wayne, thanks for joining us. Always a great.

2005
01:43:49,947 --> 01:43:51,987
Speaker 9: Pleasure, Always my pleasure.

2006
01:43:52,027 --> 01:43:54,707
Speaker 3: Piney talked you, Yeah, talk so man. Thanks indeed, Wayne Goldsmith,

2007
01:43:54,787 --> 01:43:58,587
Speaker 3: there just so much wisdom and everything he sees. We're

2008
01:43:59,067 --> 01:44:01,467
Speaker 3: very lucky to have him join us so regularly on

2009
01:44:01,507 --> 01:44:03,387
Speaker 3: weekend Sport. If you like what you heard from Wayne

2010
01:44:03,427 --> 01:44:05,587
Speaker 3: and would like to find out more about him, He's

2011
01:44:05,627 --> 01:44:07,827
Speaker 3: got a couple of books out as well writes articles.

2012
01:44:08,267 --> 01:44:14,187
Speaker 3: His website is WG Coaching dot com. Wgcoaching dot com.

2013
01:44:14,547 --> 01:44:17,907
Speaker 3: To twenty seven checking in on the tennis, Djokovic leads

2014
01:44:17,947 --> 01:44:23,507
Speaker 3: Poproin three to one in the third set. Although Djokovic

2015
01:44:23,827 --> 01:44:28,027
Speaker 3: is serving and at its advantage Poproin so he could

2016
01:44:28,107 --> 01:44:30,587
Speaker 3: break back here in the fifth game of the third set.

2017
01:44:30,987 --> 01:44:34,147
Speaker 3: If you're just jumping on board with this game. Alexi Popron,

2018
01:44:34,187 --> 01:44:37,427
Speaker 3: the Australian, has won the first two sets over Novak Djokovic,

2019
01:44:37,547 --> 01:44:41,307
Speaker 3: so pretty pivotal time in this match is Jokovic looks

2020
01:44:41,347 --> 01:44:43,747
Speaker 3: to fight back, we might just stay with this point.

2021
01:44:43,787 --> 01:44:46,067
Speaker 3: I think just no, I'm not allowed to commentate it.

2022
01:44:46,147 --> 01:44:47,987
Speaker 3: We don't have the rights to do that. But no,

2023
01:44:48,147 --> 01:44:51,107
Speaker 3: Popron has won that game. He's broken back, so he

2024
01:44:51,187 --> 01:44:54,107
Speaker 3: will now serve for three all in the third set.

2025
01:44:54,667 --> 01:44:57,787
Speaker 3: It's getting interesting at Flushing Meadows two twenty eight. When

2026
01:44:57,787 --> 01:44:59,987
Speaker 3: we come back, we're going to talk some futsal for

2027
01:45:00,107 --> 01:45:02,227
Speaker 3: the first time. This is indoor football, of course, for

2028
01:45:02,307 --> 01:45:04,827
Speaker 3: the first time. New Zealand will send a team to

2029
01:45:04,947 --> 01:45:09,107
Speaker 3: the Futsal Men's Old Cup in whose Bekistan next month,

2030
01:45:09,427 --> 01:45:13,227
Speaker 3: which is basically tomorrow. Their coach is Marvin Eakins. He's

2031
01:45:13,227 --> 01:45:14,267
Speaker 3: gonna have a chat to us after this.

2032
01:45:14,987 --> 01:45:18,547
Speaker 1: The biggest things in sports are on Weekend Sports with

2033
01:45:18,747 --> 01:45:23,187
Speaker 1: Jason Pain and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

2034
01:45:23,307 --> 01:45:24,187
Speaker 1: News Talks in b.

2035
01:45:24,987 --> 01:45:27,227
Speaker 3: News Talks AB on Weekend Sport twenty nine to three

2036
01:45:27,747 --> 01:45:31,107
Speaker 3: next month so basically September, New Zealand will compete at

2037
01:45:31,187 --> 01:45:34,387
Speaker 3: the FIFA Futsal World Cup for the very first time,

2038
01:45:34,787 --> 01:45:38,107
Speaker 3: having won the Oceania qualifying tenement back in October.

2039
01:45:38,507 --> 01:45:45,427
Speaker 5: Ah, there's the playoneers they shot from Antamanov scs Mike Hantamarov.

2040
01:45:45,467 --> 01:45:48,747
Speaker 5: We're a play and a half right there. What a

2041
01:45:48,867 --> 01:45:52,187
Speaker 5: score from Mike Hantamanov.

2042
01:45:52,987 --> 01:45:54,507
Speaker 3: His first goal for New.

2043
01:45:54,507 --> 01:45:59,547
Speaker 22: Zealand has come at a hugely important time and how

2044
01:45:59,627 --> 01:46:02,907
Speaker 22: well did he execute that play. It's an absolute heartbreaker

2045
01:46:03,147 --> 01:46:04,547
Speaker 22: for the Solomon Islands.

2046
01:46:04,747 --> 01:46:08,187
Speaker 3: So New Zealand qualified. That's last October or October obviously.

2047
01:46:08,267 --> 01:46:10,707
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three. The twenty twenty four foots of a

2048
01:46:10,747 --> 01:46:15,947
Speaker 3: World Cup is underway from September fourteen in Uzbekistan. Futsall

2049
01:46:15,947 --> 01:46:18,667
Speaker 3: Whites head coach is Marvin Eakins. He's named a squad

2050
01:46:18,707 --> 01:46:22,347
Speaker 3: of fourteen players. Ten are based domestically, four of them

2051
01:46:22,827 --> 01:46:26,347
Speaker 3: are based internationally. Marvin Eikins is with us. Were there

2052
01:46:26,387 --> 01:46:29,827
Speaker 3: any tough choices you had to make, Marvin, to finalize

2053
01:46:29,827 --> 01:46:30,707
Speaker 3: your squad at fourteen?

2054
01:46:31,587 --> 01:46:34,067
Speaker 24: Yeah, there's a group of three or four players that

2055
01:46:34,427 --> 01:46:39,107
Speaker 24: have missed out that were right on the edge and

2056
01:46:39,467 --> 01:46:41,947
Speaker 24: they've kind of sacrificed a lot to give themselves the

2057
01:46:41,987 --> 01:46:46,187
Speaker 24: best opportunity to be involved. Unfortunately, with the World Cup

2058
01:46:46,467 --> 01:46:50,027
Speaker 24: we can only take fourteen players. Otherwise we would have

2059
01:46:50,067 --> 01:46:53,307
Speaker 24: been nice have brought them along and had I guess

2060
01:46:53,307 --> 01:46:54,507
Speaker 24: a bigger squad to choose from.

2061
01:46:54,787 --> 01:46:57,667
Speaker 3: Tell us about the blend in your squad between youth

2062
01:46:58,467 --> 01:47:00,547
Speaker 3: and experienced players.

2063
01:47:01,827 --> 01:47:04,587
Speaker 24: Yeah, there is quite a blend. A large chunk of

2064
01:47:04,627 --> 01:47:09,027
Speaker 24: the team that was around four years ago has generally

2065
01:47:09,147 --> 01:47:14,907
Speaker 24: moved on, with Dillo Maniquin the captain still be involved,

2066
01:47:14,947 --> 01:47:19,827
Speaker 24: Stephen Ashby and Mickey Mallabook, who was kind of a

2067
01:47:19,947 --> 01:47:23,347
Speaker 24: late surprise. I guess this year being the right page

2068
01:47:23,347 --> 01:47:27,107
Speaker 24: of forty one. And then at the other end, we've

2069
01:47:27,147 --> 01:47:30,827
Speaker 24: got a plethora of young players all under the age

2070
01:47:30,827 --> 01:47:35,747
Speaker 24: of kind of twenty five, and yeah, there's some exciting

2071
01:47:36,827 --> 01:47:38,707
Speaker 24: lads in there that I think will be keen to

2072
01:47:38,907 --> 01:47:39,707
Speaker 24: take the opportunity.

2073
01:47:39,827 --> 01:47:40,027
Speaker 17: Yeah.

2074
01:47:40,027 --> 01:47:41,387
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about keep because I

2075
01:47:41,507 --> 01:47:44,787
Speaker 3: had him late thirty. So forty one, man, that's terrific.

2076
01:47:45,547 --> 01:47:48,867
Speaker 3: You clearly value the experience that he brings, but also

2077
01:47:49,267 --> 01:47:52,387
Speaker 3: you're confident that those forty one year old legs will

2078
01:47:52,427 --> 01:47:53,107
Speaker 3: still be up to it.

2079
01:47:54,547 --> 01:47:56,547
Speaker 24: No, doubt. Mickey's the kind of guy if you know

2080
01:47:56,667 --> 01:48:00,067
Speaker 24: him that we'll be doing pull ups in his kitchen.

2081
01:48:00,827 --> 01:48:03,267
Speaker 24: So he's yeah, he's got the body of an eighteen

2082
01:48:03,347 --> 01:48:06,667
Speaker 24: year old, so he certainly looked after himself and ready

2083
01:48:06,707 --> 01:48:09,307
Speaker 24: to go. But he brings these in a specialist position.

2084
01:48:09,347 --> 01:48:13,227
Speaker 24: He's in the pivot role as well, and he's got

2085
01:48:13,227 --> 01:48:15,707
Speaker 24: a few campaigns under his bout, so yeah, he's a

2086
01:48:15,747 --> 01:48:17,147
Speaker 24: good personality to have arab the team.

2087
01:48:17,507 --> 01:48:19,387
Speaker 3: How much has the game changed. I want to talk

2088
01:48:19,427 --> 01:48:20,907
Speaker 3: about the World Cup in a minute, but how much

2089
01:48:20,907 --> 01:48:23,867
Speaker 3: has the game changed since you became involved in it

2090
01:48:24,027 --> 01:48:25,507
Speaker 3: at the very top level.

2091
01:48:27,947 --> 01:48:30,067
Speaker 24: It's been a good change. I think for us. What

2092
01:48:30,227 --> 01:48:32,787
Speaker 24: we've found now is that a lot of the players

2093
01:48:33,067 --> 01:48:36,627
Speaker 24: are just dedicating their time fully to futsal in the

2094
01:48:36,707 --> 01:48:39,907
Speaker 24: sense that they're not also trying to deliver on a

2095
01:48:39,947 --> 01:48:42,907
Speaker 24: football career as well, which is kind of how it

2096
01:48:43,147 --> 01:48:46,947
Speaker 24: was in the past. And that's pretty massive for some

2097
01:48:47,027 --> 01:48:49,227
Speaker 24: of these younger guys as well to make that call

2098
01:48:49,267 --> 01:48:52,507
Speaker 24: pretty early and try and pursue a career in futsal.

2099
01:48:52,587 --> 01:48:55,227
Speaker 24: And I think with that we're starting to get people

2100
01:48:55,267 --> 01:48:58,147
Speaker 24: that are students of the game that are watching learning

2101
01:48:58,467 --> 01:49:01,427
Speaker 24: all the time, and it's starting to flow into I

2102
01:49:01,507 --> 01:49:05,387
Speaker 24: guess that the high performance end because there is underneath

2103
01:49:05,467 --> 01:49:09,187
Speaker 24: this group. I know there's a really good youth contingent

2104
01:49:09,467 --> 01:49:11,827
Speaker 24: of players that will kind of be buying at these

2105
01:49:11,867 --> 01:49:15,987
Speaker 24: players heels if they don't keep applying themselves and keep

2106
01:49:16,027 --> 01:49:16,667
Speaker 24: pushing themselves.

2107
01:49:17,147 --> 01:49:18,907
Speaker 3: So what does your crystal ball tell you? Does it

2108
01:49:18,987 --> 01:49:21,147
Speaker 3: tell you that in I don't know, ten years, maybe

2109
01:49:21,227 --> 01:49:24,107
Speaker 3: maybe even not that long, that there'll be football players

2110
01:49:24,147 --> 01:49:27,267
Speaker 3: who never play eleven a side outside. I mean, I

2111
01:49:27,387 --> 01:49:28,947
Speaker 3: look at a guy like Dylan Mallikum, you know, and

2112
01:49:29,227 --> 01:49:31,907
Speaker 3: what he does on the grass in an eleven a

2113
01:49:31,987 --> 01:49:34,827
Speaker 3: side environment. Do you think in the future it might

2114
01:49:34,907 --> 01:49:38,387
Speaker 3: be that guys and women just play footsal.

2115
01:49:39,707 --> 01:49:41,787
Speaker 24: I think it will have to be if the game

2116
01:49:41,867 --> 01:49:45,387
Speaker 24: really wants to kick on, but not until they're of

2117
01:49:45,507 --> 01:49:48,067
Speaker 24: a good age. I mean, when you're in those teenage years,

2118
01:49:48,107 --> 01:49:50,147
Speaker 24: you should be cracking on with all the different sports,

2119
01:49:50,227 --> 01:49:53,227
Speaker 24: right and football being one of those. I think the

2120
01:49:53,267 --> 01:49:55,467
Speaker 24: big challenge that footsball have is making sure that we

2121
01:49:55,507 --> 01:50:00,947
Speaker 24: can offer careers for our athletes, because it's especially in

2122
01:50:00,987 --> 01:50:03,667
Speaker 24: the football game. You've got the opportunity of university scholarships

2123
01:50:03,707 --> 01:50:08,027
Speaker 24: in America and the I guess the opportunity or the

2124
01:50:08,147 --> 01:50:10,827
Speaker 24: vision of going pro in the Premier League as we've

2125
01:50:10,827 --> 01:50:14,267
Speaker 24: seen recently, so things like that can be quite enticing.

2126
01:50:15,707 --> 01:50:17,667
Speaker 24: But I think what we're starting to see now is

2127
01:50:17,707 --> 01:50:20,387
Speaker 24: that there are a handful of guys and there will

2128
01:50:20,427 --> 01:50:24,547
Speaker 24: be more that are pushing overseas to try and ply

2129
01:50:24,667 --> 01:50:27,667
Speaker 24: their trade, make a little bit of income hopefully and

2130
01:50:27,787 --> 01:50:29,667
Speaker 24: eventually that becomes a little bit more lucrative.

2131
01:50:30,147 --> 01:50:31,627
Speaker 3: Let's look at the World Cup. Then you're in a

2132
01:50:31,667 --> 01:50:34,747
Speaker 3: group with Spain, Kazakhstan and Libya. You need to finish

2133
01:50:34,827 --> 01:50:38,747
Speaker 3: top two or be one of the best third placed finishers.

2134
01:50:39,147 --> 01:50:40,667
Speaker 3: How do you rate your chances of getting out of

2135
01:50:40,707 --> 01:50:41,027
Speaker 3: that group?

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01:50:42,227 --> 01:50:45,907
Speaker 24: Well, two European teams of Spain and Kazakhstan makes Nate's

2137
01:50:45,947 --> 01:50:47,907
Speaker 24: lot difficult. We have to be real. Spain will be

2138
01:50:47,947 --> 01:50:50,667
Speaker 24: trying to win the whole thing and will be one

2139
01:50:50,707 --> 01:50:55,947
Speaker 24: of the favorites to do so, and Kazakhstan are a

2140
01:50:56,227 --> 01:51:00,707
Speaker 24: very very strong side and have some unique tactics that

2141
01:51:00,827 --> 01:51:03,827
Speaker 24: will probably find a bit challenging once we get across there.

2142
01:51:04,307 --> 01:51:07,347
Speaker 24: Libya is a bit of an unknown. They kind of

2143
01:51:07,347 --> 01:51:10,307
Speaker 24: squeeze through, if I can say that through their qualifying

2144
01:51:10,827 --> 01:51:15,827
Speaker 24: and upset Egypt when it mattered and shows that I

2145
01:51:15,907 --> 01:51:19,147
Speaker 24: guess they've got something to them when it comes to

2146
01:51:19,307 --> 01:51:22,467
Speaker 24: dealing with pressure. But they're certainly our game where we're targeting.

2147
01:51:22,507 --> 01:51:26,147
Speaker 24: It's the first one against Libya on the fifteenth, and

2148
01:51:26,467 --> 01:51:28,427
Speaker 24: I think if we can get a positive result there,

2149
01:51:29,307 --> 01:51:33,427
Speaker 24: then anything can happen in those games against Kazakstan and Spain.

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01:51:33,627 --> 01:51:35,947
Speaker 3: Will you have the opportunity, Marvin. For addition, build up

2151
01:51:35,987 --> 01:51:36,627
Speaker 3: to the World.

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01:51:36,427 --> 01:51:41,867
Speaker 24: Cup, we're fortunate to have some games in Thailand and

2153
01:51:41,947 --> 01:51:45,227
Speaker 24: the lead in which will get us four games against

2154
01:51:45,267 --> 01:51:50,067
Speaker 24: some Asian opposition, which will be very useful. We don't

2155
01:51:50,107 --> 01:51:54,227
Speaker 24: get many international games. I think every international sports team

2156
01:51:54,347 --> 01:51:58,227
Speaker 24: or athlete is always wanting more international games to test themselves,

2157
01:51:58,267 --> 01:52:01,507
Speaker 24: and we've cerainly wanted that over the last few years

2158
01:52:01,587 --> 01:52:04,467
Speaker 24: to help us kind of build. So I think it's

2159
01:52:04,747 --> 01:52:07,587
Speaker 24: going to be important to challenge us against the likes

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Speaker 24: of Thailand, who were one of the strongest Asian teams,

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01:52:11,867 --> 01:52:14,827
Speaker 24: to kind of see how we could come across teams

2162
01:52:15,747 --> 01:52:18,547
Speaker 24: and styles that are similar to Libya and.

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01:52:18,587 --> 01:52:20,827
Speaker 3: How special is it to be part of the first

2164
01:52:21,307 --> 01:52:24,267
Speaker 3: New Zealand side to go to a Futsal World Capino,

2165
01:52:24,347 --> 01:52:27,187
Speaker 3: the Futsall Ferns. The women have just in the last

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01:52:27,227 --> 01:52:30,227
Speaker 3: little while qualified for their first one and the Philippines

2167
01:52:30,267 --> 01:52:33,067
Speaker 3: next year. But how cool is it to be the

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Speaker 3: first New Zealand side to go to a men's fotsill

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Speaker 3: World Cup.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, it's been for some of us. It's been quite

2171
01:52:39,147 --> 01:52:41,987
Speaker 24: the journey. For myself since two thousand and eight. I've

2172
01:52:42,027 --> 01:52:45,267
Speaker 24: been trying to get there, initially as a player and

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01:52:45,387 --> 01:52:48,547
Speaker 24: more recently as a coach. But even before me, our

2174
01:52:48,587 --> 01:52:51,587
Speaker 24: goalkeeper coach Elis bilet He was part of the twenty

2175
01:52:51,787 --> 01:52:56,587
Speaker 24: fourteen that tried and missed out with Australia taking that

2176
01:52:56,667 --> 01:52:59,467
Speaker 24: one when they were still in the Oceania region. So

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01:53:00,307 --> 01:53:02,387
Speaker 24: it's been Yeah, it's been a hecova right, with lots

2178
01:53:02,427 --> 01:53:06,787
Speaker 24: of heartbreaking, lots of stories along the way. I think

2179
01:53:07,107 --> 01:53:09,747
Speaker 24: in the background, what's been important in New Zealand is

2180
01:53:09,827 --> 01:53:12,267
Speaker 24: that there's been a lot of development, a lot of

2181
01:53:13,147 --> 01:53:17,227
Speaker 24: opportunities for kids to play and build up their hours

2182
01:53:17,267 --> 01:53:20,267
Speaker 24: playing the game, and I think that's kind of led

2183
01:53:20,307 --> 01:53:22,467
Speaker 24: to it was a matter of time for us to

2184
01:53:22,587 --> 01:53:27,587
Speaker 24: finally qualify. And I think the guys know that generally

2185
01:53:28,067 --> 01:53:30,307
Speaker 24: that there's a bigger picture here and how this could

2186
01:53:30,387 --> 01:53:34,707
Speaker 24: kick on I guess to the next step locally. But

2187
01:53:34,787 --> 01:53:36,747
Speaker 24: there's also an element of these guys that put in

2188
01:53:37,067 --> 01:53:40,587
Speaker 24: a lot of mahi themselves and have deserved this opportunity.

2189
01:53:40,627 --> 01:53:41,787
Speaker 24: So we don't want them having the way to the

2190
01:53:41,827 --> 01:53:43,707
Speaker 24: country too much on them or the way to put

2191
01:53:43,907 --> 01:53:46,347
Speaker 24: in the country, but I think it will be in

2192
01:53:46,387 --> 01:53:47,307
Speaker 24: the back of all their minds.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful. Well, it's an exciting time for you, you support

2194
01:53:49,787 --> 01:53:52,147
Speaker 3: staff and for these fourteen players who are about to

2195
01:53:52,227 --> 01:53:54,347
Speaker 3: head off to the FIFA Footsall World Cup and who's

2196
01:53:54,347 --> 01:53:57,067
Speaker 3: Bekistan Marvin all the best mate, Thanks for taking the

2197
01:53:57,107 --> 01:53:58,907
Speaker 3: time for a chat. Can't wait to see how it

2198
01:53:58,907 --> 01:53:59,547
Speaker 3: plays out for you.

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Speaker 24: Cheers, Bunny.

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01:54:01,027 --> 01:54:03,907
Speaker 3: Thanks Marvin. Marvin eken'st their coach of the futsal White

2201
01:54:03,947 --> 01:54:08,027
Speaker 3: so our men's national futsal. If you're unfamiliar with it,

2202
01:54:08,587 --> 01:54:12,627
Speaker 3: just think indoor football. That's basically what it is. But

2203
01:54:12,787 --> 01:54:17,827
Speaker 3: it is enormous, absolutely enormous around the world, gaining in

2204
01:54:17,907 --> 01:54:21,387
Speaker 3: popularity in New Zealand as well. In fact, player numbers

2205
01:54:21,427 --> 01:54:25,827
Speaker 3: for indoor football for futsal are just going through the

2206
01:54:25,947 --> 01:54:30,107
Speaker 3: roof and a lot of it is not club based stuff,

2207
01:54:30,267 --> 01:54:33,027
Speaker 3: just a bunch of friends playing, you know, on a

2208
01:54:33,067 --> 01:54:35,227
Speaker 3: Wednesday night in a social league or something like that.

2209
01:54:35,707 --> 01:54:39,067
Speaker 3: But then there are obviously elite pathways as well, and

2210
01:54:39,187 --> 01:54:42,987
Speaker 3: New Zealand football and football associations all around the world

2211
01:54:43,067 --> 01:54:45,307
Speaker 3: are taking it a lot more seriously because it is

2212
01:54:45,347 --> 01:54:49,227
Speaker 3: building their participation base. They basically align the two football

2213
01:54:49,307 --> 01:54:52,467
Speaker 3: in its normal sense, the outside version on grass or

2214
01:54:52,467 --> 01:54:54,947
Speaker 3: whatever it is. Leven a side. Futsal is becoming a

2215
01:54:55,067 --> 01:54:58,307
Speaker 3: huge part of the game here and all around the world.

2216
01:54:58,747 --> 01:55:01,467
Speaker 3: And the next World Cup for men next month or

2217
01:55:01,707 --> 01:55:04,547
Speaker 3: starting on the fourteenth of September. Incidentally, our women, as

2218
01:55:04,547 --> 01:55:06,547
Speaker 3: I mentioned to Marven Ekins, they have also qualif five

2219
01:55:06,587 --> 01:55:08,027
Speaker 3: for the World Cup for the first time. In fact,

2220
01:55:08,067 --> 01:55:10,907
Speaker 3: it's the first ever women's World Cup next year in

2221
01:55:10,947 --> 01:55:12,827
Speaker 3: the Philippines. I will cover that off on the show

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01:55:12,827 --> 01:55:16,187
Speaker 3: tomorrow nineteen away from three. We'll circle back to the rugby,

2223
01:55:16,467 --> 01:55:18,467
Speaker 3: Get you to Joe Burck chat to our rugby editor

2224
01:55:18,507 --> 01:55:20,107
Speaker 3: Elliott Smith to wrap the show shortly.

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Speaker 3: Two forty four four commentary of the All Black Spring

2229
01:55:33,387 --> 01:55:35,707
Speaker 3: Box game from three tomorrow morning with our Rugby editor

2230
01:55:35,707 --> 01:55:37,907
Speaker 3: and match commentator Elliot Smith, who's been with the All

2231
01:55:37,907 --> 01:55:40,987
Speaker 3: Blacks and Joe Burke all week. Elliott, what feeling gear

2232
01:55:41,067 --> 01:55:42,827
Speaker 3: get from the All Blacks ahead of what will be

2233
01:55:42,987 --> 01:55:44,947
Speaker 3: I'm sure a massive test match for them.

2234
01:55:45,427 --> 01:55:46,387
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting, Plinny.

2235
01:55:46,507 --> 01:55:48,427
Speaker 26: Look, I spoke to Jordy Barrett earlier in the week

2236
01:55:48,507 --> 01:55:51,747
Speaker 26: and the Troll Lomax sort of in a one on

2237
01:55:51,867 --> 01:55:54,467
Speaker 26: one extended conversation where you learn a bit more about

2238
01:55:54,507 --> 01:55:57,467
Speaker 26: the player and also about how they're feeling about the game,

2239
01:55:57,547 --> 01:56:00,227
Speaker 26: and toroll Lomax was fairly up front and saying that,

2240
01:56:00,667 --> 01:56:04,147
Speaker 26: you know they are underdogs for this game, but there's

2241
01:56:04,147 --> 01:56:06,387
Speaker 26: a sense in this team that obviously that they I

2242
01:56:06,467 --> 01:56:10,787
Speaker 26: believe they can go to Dellis Park. Everything's against them

2243
01:56:11,067 --> 01:56:13,587
Speaker 26: in a recent form, the way the Springbok's been playing

2244
01:56:13,707 --> 01:56:18,027
Speaker 26: sixty thousand South African fans in the stands, everything like

2245
01:56:18,107 --> 01:56:20,947
Speaker 26: that in the altitude too. But speaking to him and

2246
01:56:21,307 --> 01:56:25,427
Speaker 26: to Jordie Barrett as well, who you played the old

2247
01:56:25,507 --> 01:56:28,707
Speaker 26: foe sort of line, and they're the biggest foe that

2248
01:56:28,787 --> 01:56:31,947
Speaker 26: they can face, I think there's a steerly determination for

2249
01:56:32,027 --> 01:56:35,107
Speaker 26: this All Blacks team that they believe they're capable of

2250
01:56:35,187 --> 01:56:38,307
Speaker 26: delivering a result at Alice park and almost sort of

2251
01:56:38,347 --> 01:56:41,787
Speaker 26: embracing that underdog tag a little bit that they feel

2252
01:56:41,827 --> 01:56:44,387
Speaker 26: that they've got given the results so far between the

2253
01:56:44,427 --> 01:56:46,667
Speaker 26: two sides and the fact you're playing the World champions

2254
01:56:46,707 --> 01:56:48,427
Speaker 26: for the first time since that World Cup final.

2255
01:56:48,667 --> 01:56:50,747
Speaker 3: Do you think that World Cup final is being used

2256
01:56:50,787 --> 01:56:53,547
Speaker 3: in any way as motivation, even if they're not saying it.

2257
01:56:55,347 --> 01:56:56,027
Speaker 6: I don't think so.

2258
01:56:56,867 --> 01:57:00,867
Speaker 26: Maybe for specific players, I'm sure Sam Kane maybe at

2259
01:57:00,907 --> 01:57:03,147
Speaker 26: the back of his mind has a desire to get

2260
01:57:03,187 --> 01:57:06,147
Speaker 26: a better outcome than what we saw in that World

2261
01:57:06,147 --> 01:57:08,707
Speaker 26: Cup final, and for a number of players it's still there.

2262
01:57:08,787 --> 01:57:11,427
Speaker 26: But so a man this week that you know, they

2263
01:57:11,547 --> 01:57:14,707
Speaker 26: said that that just hasn't been mentioned in camp, but

2264
01:57:14,747 --> 01:57:16,867
Speaker 26: I'm sure you can't escape it. There will be memories

2265
01:57:17,227 --> 01:57:19,347
Speaker 26: when they go out onto Alice Parker, you know, and

2266
01:57:19,507 --> 01:57:22,507
Speaker 26: see the springbox jersey, see that dark green with gold

2267
01:57:22,587 --> 01:57:25,227
Speaker 26: trim spring box jersey that you know, last time they

2268
01:57:25,267 --> 01:57:27,267
Speaker 26: played was in a World Cup final, and the hurt

2269
01:57:27,347 --> 01:57:30,867
Speaker 26: that wins along with that. Scott Barrett said earlier Get

2270
01:57:30,907 --> 01:57:32,987
Speaker 26: Today that you know it's a game that he doesn't

2271
01:57:32,987 --> 01:57:36,947
Speaker 26: think you'll ever get over, so I think individually it'll

2272
01:57:36,987 --> 01:57:37,867
Speaker 26: play a part in their.

2273
01:57:37,827 --> 01:57:39,667
Speaker 6: Build up, but sort of collectively as a team.

2274
01:57:40,067 --> 01:57:42,947
Speaker 26: It sounds like it hasn't been mentioned and hasn't been

2275
01:57:43,027 --> 01:57:46,027
Speaker 26: drawn upon for their build up for this game. A

2276
01:57:46,067 --> 01:57:49,547
Speaker 26: lot's changed since then in terms of the coaching set

2277
01:57:49,627 --> 01:57:51,707
Speaker 26: up for the All Blacks, new captain, a lot of

2278
01:57:51,787 --> 01:57:55,147
Speaker 26: new back room stuff as well, and it's been changes

2279
01:57:55,187 --> 01:57:57,747
Speaker 26: to the spring box too. So the All Blacks fairly

2280
01:57:58,067 --> 01:58:00,947
Speaker 26: keen on down playing the significance of the World Cup

2281
01:58:01,027 --> 01:58:03,587
Speaker 26: Final and very much looking forward rather than backwards.

2282
01:58:04,187 --> 01:58:07,387
Speaker 3: If you, I guess, thought of the full strength allbacks

2283
01:58:07,427 --> 01:58:10,267
Speaker 3: team with everybody fit and available, and then you look

2284
01:58:10,267 --> 01:58:12,027
Speaker 3: at the team that's going to run out at Alice Park,

2285
01:58:12,067 --> 01:58:13,627
Speaker 3: you land on a couple of pliers. I'm keen to

2286
01:58:13,667 --> 01:58:15,667
Speaker 3: get your thoughts on them. How big a test is

2287
01:58:15,747 --> 01:58:17,107
Speaker 3: this for to Mighty Williams.

2288
01:58:18,427 --> 01:58:18,627
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2289
01:58:18,707 --> 01:58:20,627
Speaker 26: Huge, This is the biggest test that he'll face in

2290
01:58:20,707 --> 01:58:24,187
Speaker 26: his career to date. I think biny he's impressed in

2291
01:58:24,227 --> 01:58:25,547
Speaker 26: the opportunities that he's had.

2292
01:58:25,587 --> 01:58:26,547
Speaker 6: He seems to have been.

2293
01:58:27,947 --> 01:58:30,307
Speaker 26: Not if Pigeon holds the right word, but certainly he

2294
01:58:30,467 --> 01:58:33,587
Speaker 26: either starts or he doesn't. Gets an opportunity too often

2295
01:58:34,067 --> 01:58:36,387
Speaker 26: on the bench. They seem pretty set on Fletcher Newell

2296
01:58:36,427 --> 01:58:39,267
Speaker 26: and offered Thawing a Farsi backing up the starters, so

2297
01:58:39,387 --> 01:58:41,907
Speaker 26: it's hard to crack there. They've got a pretty good

2298
01:58:41,907 --> 01:58:44,267
Speaker 26: punch they feel in terms of the props. But I

2299
01:58:44,347 --> 01:58:48,987
Speaker 26: think it is a major opportunity for him on Sunday,

2300
01:58:49,027 --> 01:58:51,747
Speaker 26: Warning New Zealand time, he's coming for Ethan de Groot.

2301
01:58:52,027 --> 01:58:55,307
Speaker 26: I think to Mighty Williams is only improving as a scrummager.

2302
01:58:55,627 --> 01:58:58,227
Speaker 26: I think his worker in the park is also on

2303
01:58:58,387 --> 01:59:00,467
Speaker 26: the improve as well. I thought he had a very

2304
01:59:00,507 --> 01:59:03,907
Speaker 26: good test last time out against Argentina in Auckland. But

2305
01:59:04,187 --> 01:59:06,547
Speaker 26: when you match up against the springbox scrum and both

2306
01:59:06,627 --> 01:59:09,547
Speaker 26: these teams like using it as a weapon. We saw

2307
01:59:09,667 --> 01:59:12,947
Speaker 26: the All Blacks use it really well against England, a

2308
01:59:13,067 --> 01:59:17,307
Speaker 26: similarly strong scrummaging pack front row. So big test with

2309
01:59:17,387 --> 01:59:19,627
Speaker 26: to Mighty Williams. You look at him and go he's

2310
01:59:19,667 --> 01:59:21,507
Speaker 26: the kind of body frame that the All Blacks have

2311
01:59:21,587 --> 01:59:25,387
Speaker 26: been searching for. Ethan de Gruge is still obviously the incumbent,

2312
01:59:25,507 --> 01:59:27,867
Speaker 26: but I think he can make some real inroads with

2313
01:59:27,907 --> 01:59:31,547
Speaker 26: a sort of statement performance over the next couple of weekends.

2314
01:59:31,427 --> 01:59:33,667
Speaker 3: And Caleb Clark's got the knot on the left wing.

2315
01:59:33,787 --> 01:59:35,827
Speaker 3: He didn't get a lot of opportunities last year, did he.

2316
01:59:35,947 --> 01:59:37,987
Speaker 3: But and even at the start of this year he

2317
01:59:38,067 --> 01:59:40,547
Speaker 3: probably thought he was behind the likes of Mark Talaya

2318
01:59:40,627 --> 01:59:42,347
Speaker 3: and others in the pecking order. Why do you think

2319
01:59:42,387 --> 01:59:44,227
Speaker 3: they've gone Caleb Clark and how big a game is

2320
01:59:44,267 --> 01:59:44,707
Speaker 3: this for him?

2321
01:59:45,907 --> 01:59:46,107
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2322
01:59:46,467 --> 01:59:48,747
Speaker 26: I think it's a big game for Caleb Clark to

2323
01:59:48,787 --> 01:59:51,387
Speaker 26: try and cement back that eleven jersey. You think back

2324
01:59:51,427 --> 01:59:53,427
Speaker 26: to the winning De Boots for the All Blacks in

2325
01:59:53,467 --> 01:59:55,107
Speaker 26: twenty twenty and it felt like we had a new

2326
01:59:55,187 --> 01:59:58,307
Speaker 26: superstar on our hands. And the way he played, especially

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Speaker 26: the bleder is low against Australia Eden Park that year.

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Speaker 26: He was dynamic, He was exceptional. Since then, he struggle

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Speaker 26: to sort of ready capture those heights. But I think

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Speaker 26: the hard running style of Caleb Clark, the big body

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Speaker 26: will be will be huge. He's great under the high

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Speaker 26: ball as well. I really like this selection. I also

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Speaker 26: actually like the way they've gone about it with Mark

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Speaker 26: Kalia off the bench. I think it's still developing as

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Speaker 26: a as a bench.

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Speaker 6: Player Mark Tala.

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Speaker 26: But you know he's so slippery, isn't he And you

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Speaker 26: think about that coming on late in the game against

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Speaker 26: tired defenses.

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Speaker 6: He's kind of the player that can break the lion

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Speaker 6: can get through.

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Speaker 26: Caleb Clark has been exceptional with his line breaks, as

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Speaker 26: stats and Super Rugby speak to themselves. This year he

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Speaker 26: had a very good Super Rugby season and built into

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Speaker 26: it quite nicely with a hat trick in the finals.

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Speaker 26: So in terms of cementing that eleven jers, yeah, I

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Speaker 26: think it's still firmly a live conversation. Mark Kalia is

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Speaker 26: right there and in fact it will be on the

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Speaker 26: bench of course looking over. So a big opportunity for

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Speaker 26: Caleb Clark if the ball goes as way. It probably

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Speaker 26: didn't go as way too often in that game at

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Speaker 26: Eden Parker, you know last time out, so he began

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Speaker 26: to get more opportunities in the game. And I'm sure trying,

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Speaker 26: as I say, cement that jersey for the coming test matches.

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Speaker 3: And a lot made of the fact that this game

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Speaker 3: is at altitude. Johannesburg Pretoria obviously are the two altitude

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Speaker 3: grounds if you like, compared to Cape Town where you'll

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Speaker 3: be next week for the average person like yourself in Johannesburg.

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Speaker 3: Is the change in altitude obvious?

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Speaker 12: Yes it is.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I've noticed this week there is a little thinner

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Speaker 26: going up steps. You get a little more puffed out

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Speaker 26: of breath than you probably should, and you know, you

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Speaker 26: feel a little bit more tired, I think is the

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Speaker 26: way about it, and you're desperate for a bit more

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Speaker 26: water than maybe you'd usually take on board. I find

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Speaker 26: my mouth getting a little bit drier than it probably

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Speaker 26: worked throughout the times.

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Speaker 6: Of the day, so I've been well armed with a

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Speaker 6: water bottle to make sure of that.

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Speaker 26: And I've had the dreaded altitude nosebleed as well, so

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Speaker 26: I've had it all piney over the last few days.

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Speaker 6: But you do notice it.

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Speaker 20: It is.

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Speaker 26: A different experience and for a few of these players

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Speaker 26: in the All Blacks, they won't have experienced it at

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Speaker 26: least before was sort of training earlier on in the

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Speaker 26: week and landing on the grounds. You know, there's been

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Speaker 26: a number of players in the squad, you know, look

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Speaker 26: at the bench in Cortez Ratama seven penny fee now

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Speaker 26: who haven't traveled to South Africa before. In Super rugby,

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Speaker 26: because that opportunity doesn't exist anymore. So when you land

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Speaker 26: in Johannesburg. It's not like you had the experience of

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Speaker 26: playing the Lions at Alice Park and you know the

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Speaker 26: way around the high Vault and gone.

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Speaker 6: To Loftus and played the Bulls. You were experiencing it

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Speaker 6: for the first time.

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Speaker 26: And as a you know, as as a civilian, you do,

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Speaker 26: you do notice those differences and the lungs burn.

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Speaker 6: A little bit deeper.

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Speaker 26: And spoke to Jordi Barrett and he mentioned your lungs

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Speaker 26: burn a little bit deeper earlier in a game than

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Speaker 26: you would expect. And it's all new to some of

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Speaker 26: those players and the all black setups, so they have

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Speaker 26: to be ready to combat it. I know, as we

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Speaker 26: mentioned this week around some of those tactics you can

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Speaker 26: use to to to improve and deny for as long

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Speaker 26: as you possibly can, but it's certainly something will.

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Speaker 6: Have to combat on Saturday afternoon here in local time.

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Speaker 3: All right, keep the water bottle nice and handy, Elliott,

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Speaker 3: can't wait for your call in the early hours of

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Speaker 3: New Zealand time. I really appreciate your work this week

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Speaker 3: and ye can't wait to see how it plays out

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Speaker 3: at Alice Park.

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Speaker 6: I'll stay well hydrated, thanks Piney.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, mate. Elliott Smith, our rugbe editor and

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Speaker 3: match commentator three o'clock tomorrow morning for commentary of the

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Speaker 3: all black spring Box test. Here on news Talks, HEB

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Speaker 3: eight to three.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

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Speaker 1: on eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine News Talks.

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Speaker 3: MB four and alfter three. That's us to beverage after

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Speaker 3: three with the Weekend Collective Saturday edition. Huge thanks to

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Speaker 3: Anny McDonald for pulling the show together. We're back tomorrow

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Speaker 3: to pick over the bones of whatever happens at Alice Park.

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that. What's our exit song today? Mate, Piney?

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Speaker 27: Nosebleeds at high altitude as we move up from the

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Speaker 27: earth surface, the internal pressure of the blood vessels is

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Speaker 27: more than the outside pressure. This courses blood vessels to rupture.

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Speaker 27: Thus know or knows all ear bleeding takes by high altitudes.

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Speaker 27: The the you go, Piney, a bit of effect for

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Speaker 27: you on the nosebleeds.

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Speaker 12: Thank you.

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Speaker 27: And because it's all altitude chats, ain't no mountain high enough.

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Speaker 27: Well we'll take us out today. Love it, see you

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Speaker 27: guys tomorrow mo Day looking forward to chatting.

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