1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: The coroner has released findings into the tragic deaths of 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: six young people in Northland. Now all six died and 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: what's been described as a suicide cluster. They didn't know 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: each other, but they shared common threads of bullying, abuse 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: and loneliness. And what's striking in this is the number 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: of agencies that these kids deal with in their lives. 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: One was in contact with seventeen. Doctor Clayarkmede is the 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Children's Commissioner and is with us Morning. 9 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: Claire, Good morning, Heather. 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean that seems like an obvious problem, right that 11 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: they have a huge number of agencies and no one 12 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: appears to be the lead agency. 13 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, this morning, Heather, I really want 14 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: to acknowledge how sensitive this topic of you suicide is 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: and the profound and deeply devastating impact that suicide has 16 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: on pharo on families, on communities, on friends, and you 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: know this inquiry that we're talking about this morning, inga 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: adlham more technical more mourning Taikamriiki that is the name 19 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: of the joint inquiry that Corona Petia has given that 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: translates to tears of love for children and use loss 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: to suicide and so First of all, I just really 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: do want to acknowledge the families and the founder of 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: these type companies you raise there with me about the 24 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: range of agencies that we're involved with these young people 25 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,279 Speaker 2: before their deaths. And from my perspective, what that really 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: highlights is that there are systemic issues that need real focused, 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: ongoing attention around this issue of suicide. And it's both 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: across the mental health system. But also what this joint 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: and inquiring highlights to me is that we've got to 30 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: get better joined up across the wider systems that children 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: and young people engage with. And I'm talking about our 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: education system and our care and protection system. These systems 33 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: has got to be working better together. Actually put children 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: at the viewers center. 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: It's the place to pump the resources into, not the schools, 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: because I mean, you know, for the most part, most kids, 37 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: if there's one thing that you can guarantee one agency 38 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: you're going to get, or one outfit you'll guarantee they'll 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: have contact with, it's a school. So if we put 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: the resources into the schools, if these guys are seeing 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: them every day, surely they should be the ones or 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: could be the ones that could could intervene. 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: What do you think A really pleased that you raise 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: the role of schools and could have because I have 45 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: seen the value of school based health services for children 46 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: and young people in communities around our country. And why 47 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: I really want to see more focus and more investment 48 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: into school based health services that are holistic, that provide counseling, 49 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: school nurses, social workers is because if we make those 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: holistic support services available to children and young people in 51 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: the places where they are, like their schools than could have, 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: that makes them more accessible. They're hopefully going to be 53 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: more trusted by children and young people because they just 54 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: are present in the places where they are. And also 55 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: we have to make getting help as easy as possible 56 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: for our children and young people at the earliest stages 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: when they might be starting to experience mental districts. And 58 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: from what I have heard from children and young people 59 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: and communities around New Ziance is that when there are 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: holistic school based health services and their schools and could 61 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: those are some of the things that really do help. 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: Clay, thanks very much for your time. 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