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Speaker 1: Pressing the newspakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: dup clan drive with One New Zealand let's get connected,

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Speaker 1: you stall said b.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Darlene's one

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Speaker 2: another round against the Greens that've canceled their meeting for

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Speaker 2: the weekend. We now know what the legal case is

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Speaker 2: going to be about. Andrew get us on what we've

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Speaker 2: learned after five Sime and Brown on the new tow

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Speaker 2: truck fees and Greg four and the Air New Zealand

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Speaker 2: boss on when they're going to start flying on time.

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Speaker 1: Heather duplic l Right.

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Speaker 2: So the parking fees are going up. It's not just

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Speaker 2: the parking fees, as I was just mentioning, it's the

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Speaker 2: toey fees as well. And boy, you try parking in

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Speaker 2: a disabled car park and you're gonna be getting You're

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Speaker 2: gonna be feeling bad about that thing for weeks because

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Speaker 2: the fine is going from one hundred and fifty dollars

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Speaker 2: to seven hundred and fifty dollars, which I think is

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Speaker 2: fair enough, because you know those car parks are not

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Speaker 2: for able bodied people and frankly we do abuse it

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Speaker 2: far too often. But on the parking fines. These things

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Speaker 2: are going to go up across the board by about

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Speaker 2: roundabout I think on average seventy percent. So you staying

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Speaker 2: in a car park and overstaying for less than thirty minutes,

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Speaker 2: that that's a twelve dollar fine, that's now going to

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Speaker 2: go to twenty bucks. If you stay you overstay for

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Speaker 2: two hours, that was a thirty dollar fine, that's now

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Speaker 2: going to be fifty one bucks. And your big old

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Speaker 2: fine for being more than six hours over the limit,

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Speaker 2: that was fifty seven dollars, that's now going to be

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Speaker 2: ninety seven dollars. And the reason the government has decided

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Speaker 2: to do this is because, frankly, these fees and fines

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Speaker 2: haven't changed in twenty years, and everything else has. And

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Speaker 2: actually these fines are now so low that you're smarter

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Speaker 2: to take a chance on getting a fine than actually

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Speaker 2: paying for your parking, because if you're paying for your parking,

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Speaker 2: that's money gone. But if you take a chance, well

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Speaker 2: they might not paying you and you might not have

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Speaker 2: to pay a fine. And if you have to pay

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Speaker 2: a fine, it ain't that bad. And a lot of

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Speaker 2: us have made that calculation, me included. The calculation changes

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Speaker 2: today doesn't it, because all of a sudden, now you're

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Speaker 2: looking at a big old whack you don't want to

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Speaker 2: have to pay. I do not love parking fees or

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Speaker 2: parking fees going up. But I'll tell you what I

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Speaker 2: like even less, and that is my rates going up.

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Speaker 2: And this is a very simple and related equation for me.

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Speaker 2: These parking spots all over town, whether it's your town

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Speaker 2: or your city or wherever you live, those parking spots.

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Speaker 2: They are an asset that is owned by your council,

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Speaker 2: which are basically you, Right, The smart thing for your

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Speaker 2: counsel to do is to make its assets work, make

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Speaker 2: them earn money for the council, whether it's airport shares

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Speaker 2: or the port that the council owns, all the car parks,

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Speaker 2: because every single dollar that these assets bring into your

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Speaker 2: council is a dollar the council doesn't have to raise

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Speaker 2: by raising your rates, so they get the money somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: And I think we're all sick of the rates going up,

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Speaker 2: aren't we, especially after the rate increases this year coming

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Speaker 2: in an average of fifteen percent. That's massive. So while

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Speaker 2: I don't love what has been done today, you know

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Speaker 2: I don't want to have to pay these parking fees.

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Speaker 2: The truth is I would I'd prefer that the people

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Speaker 2: who are parking in the car parks pay to use

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Speaker 2: the car parks, which is our asset, and pay. If

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Speaker 2: they don't pay properly, they get pinged properly. I'd much

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Speaker 2: prefer that to you and I having to subsidize this

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Speaker 2: through increased rates all of the time. So I don't

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Speaker 2: love it, but it works for me. Yeather, do for

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Speaker 2: nine two and on that Santa Text feace apply and

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Speaker 2: on that. Simeon Brown is going to be with us,

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Speaker 2: I think in his capacity as the Transport minist At

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Speaker 2: about ten past five. Now Lawyer is a pretty upset

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Speaker 2: at Shane Jones Ah because he called the judge a communist.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Bar Association has written to the Attorney General

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Speaker 2: Judith Collins, saying an increase in public statements about judges

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Speaker 2: by ministers is amounting to attacks on the judiciary. Vice

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Speaker 2: president of the Law Association, Julianne Kincaid Casey, is with me. Now, hey, Julianne,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon, Heather. Do you agree with the Bar Association

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Speaker 2: the sentiments in the letter.

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Speaker 3: I agree that we have to respect the separation of powers. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: it's a vital in a democracy that we all know

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Speaker 3: of the ways that people politicians are expressing the views.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that his comments are

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Speaker 2: an attack on the judiciary.

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Speaker 3: I think that there are ways of expressing concerns with

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Speaker 3: he did.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 3: Really, to put it another way, really we should play

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Speaker 3: the play the ball and not the man or the

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Speaker 3: woman as it were.

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Speaker 2: Is the mitigating factor for you at all? That he

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Speaker 2: didn't do what Stewart Nash did Stewart nashwin on the

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Speaker 2: said this in a private meeting that has since become public.

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Speaker 2: Does that make it any less bad?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know the circumstances of the meeting, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know the circumstances of high it came out,

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Speaker 3: but I think there may have been other comments. I

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Speaker 3: also saw that just a little while ago our Attorney

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Speaker 3: General has said that she will speak to him again.

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Speaker 3: I would would like to say that we have a

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Speaker 3: very good speech in June of this year from the

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Speaker 3: Attorney General General on this very topic about the separation

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Speaker 3: of powers and everybody working together with mutual respect and

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Speaker 3: restraint and not storting to coercion and confrontation. So I'm

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Speaker 3: very confident that our Attorney General knows exactly where the

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Speaker 2: Else there an a mitigating fact that the judge, I

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Speaker 2: mean kind of actually was a communist.

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't know in sufficient about the circumstances of

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Speaker 3: the common.

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Speaker 2: Julia, let me tell you, because you feel I feel

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Speaker 2: like you're coming into this argument with not a lot

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Speaker 2: of knowledge. So the judge used to belong to a

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Speaker 2: social justice leagal whatever it was that basically is described

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Speaker 2: as a bunch of communists, and he called her a communist,

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Speaker 2: So it's a descriptor as well.

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Speaker 3: As he wasn't talking about the judge and the decision

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Speaker 3: and her past in the Communist Party. He was using

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Speaker 2: So to my question, which was does it mitigated that

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Speaker 2: she was a judge your that she was a communist?

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Speaker 2: Your answer is not really, because he's criticizing her ability

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it wasn't compliment and it does disrespect to

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Speaker 3: the independence of the judiciary. The Parliament and the executive

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Speaker 3: have obviously got lots of powers if legislation isn't working

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Speaker 3: think there's just better ways of changing things than making

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Speaker 2: I think that you guys as lawyers, have a point

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Speaker 2: that he has probably cross I mean, he has crossed

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Speaker 2: that line, hasn't he He's attacked judiciary.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But you don't have.

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Speaker 2: Any public sympathy, do you, because I mean that would

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Speaker 2: be fair, is that a lot of people are seeing

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Speaker 2: what's going on with the judges and thinking, actually, there's

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Speaker 2: a bit of creep going on here.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, it's the role of the Attorney General to set

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Speaker 3: a stride those to pillow of our institutions, the law

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Speaker 3: and the judiciary. And I am fuirly confident that that's happened,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that should Instead of judges and everybody

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Speaker 2: in the legal fraternity having a moan about Shane Jones,

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Speaker 2: who we know runs his mouth off, maybe the right

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Speaker 2: a bit of self reflection here and wondering why people

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Speaker 3: I actually disagree with you. I think when things are published,

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Speaker 3: I mean we all all lawyers are very careful and conscientious,

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Speaker 3: and to suggest otherwise I think doesn't really understand what happens.

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Speaker 2: But Julian, I'm looking at decisions relating to the to Macca,

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Speaker 2: the law that he was talking about, and two judges

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Speaker 2: have completely misinterpreted what Parliament wanted that, Julian, it's not

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Speaker 2: just my view, it's the view of the dissenting judge

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Speaker 2: Fary Miller as well.

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Speaker 3: There's a view of there is a process where the

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Speaker 3: case is go to court and then they are decided

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Speaker 3: by the judges. Yes, if people don't if people involved

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Speaker 3: in the case don't like the decision, they can appeal it.

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Speaker 3: And if people in Parliament don't like what's happening, they

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Speaker 3: can change the legislation. And totally you're right, original kind

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Speaker 3: of just finished. Their original legislation has left dit and

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Speaker 3: That it's you know, being interpreted in a way that

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Speaker 3: perhaps people and the legislator don't like it, well then

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Speaker 3: it is their job then to change the legislation going

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Speaker 3: through those processes, and they have all of those powers

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Speaker 2: Julianne, thank you. I appreciate you coming on and having

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Speaker 2: the debate with me. Really good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: That's Julien Kincaid Casey, who's the vice president of the

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Speaker 2: Law Association, not the Bar Association, who wrote the letter.

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Speaker 2: But they are ovisible of view now on what Julianne

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Speaker 2: chet to Shane again because the press gallery stopped Shane

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Speaker 2: judicial decisions beginning to show elements of totalitarianism and I

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Speaker 2: don't like it. So he's unapologetic and just had another

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Speaker 2: tell her immediately what Shane has just said, and she says,

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Speaker 2: probably with a gigantic sigh. Along the lines of she says,

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard him say that I will speak to him.

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Speaker 2: And the problem is she's already spoken to him, and

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Speaker 2: she sent him and all the other minister's a letter,

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Speaker 2: and now she's gonna have to speak to him again.

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Speaker 2: And do you know what, I feel like he's got

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Speaker 2: form and I feel like he A'm gonna listen? What

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Speaker 2: do you think? Seventeen past four.

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Speaker 6: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Hither Duper c

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Speaker 6: Allen Drive with One New Zealand One Giant Leaf for business,

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Speaker 6: on our eighteen bet Responsibly.

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Speaker 2: Darcy water Grave sports stalkhosters with Mellow Darcy Man.

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Speaker 7: How you a boy? We flutter on the All Blacks

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Speaker 7: coming up this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is a difficult one. Who would I feel

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Speaker 2: like a turncoat because they probably put my money on

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Speaker 2: esay because I feel like they're gonna win.

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Speaker 7: Well, they are at home at Johannesburg. They are at

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Speaker 7: Alice Park. But also in saying that the All Blacks

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Speaker 7: have got really quite a good record at Alice Park

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Speaker 7: of recent times. And I happen a couple of years

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Speaker 7: back when it looked like for all money, Ian Foster

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Speaker 7: was gomburger and suddenly the All Blacks stoot up and they.

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Speaker 8: Beat the spring Box.

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Speaker 7: But this is not unusual of recent times at albleitude.

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Speaker 7: But you know the deal blah blah blah. So I

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Speaker 7: think value in this probably more so when it comes

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Speaker 7: to putting a punt out is situations like halftime, full time,

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Speaker 7: But they haven't decided, but they're not saying no. And

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Speaker 7: And Jake Warrens the new bowling coach of the black Caps,

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Speaker 6: It's hither duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 2: That'd be Darlene. Darlene is back to being a she

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Speaker 2: Elbow's in the spot of bother because Albow is over

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Speaker 2: If you like you a bit here, it only costs

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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers. Talk to Heather first, Heather Duplicy.

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Speaker 6: Allan drive with One New Zealand. Let's get connected news

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Speaker 10: Cause in time you need to stay to the song.

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Speaker 9: Our human rights colleagues remind us that in the West Bank,

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Speaker 2: Quantas has reported an underlying profit before tax of two

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Speaker 2: And finally, twenty two thousand people have taken part in

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Speaker 6: Aspartosa International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 2: Oliver Peterson, six pur perf Life presenters with us A Olie,

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Speaker 2: get ahead, Ollie, do you think Albow is in real

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Speaker 13: Oh look, I think his excuse is absolutely ridiculous. So

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Speaker 13: It's going to cost Australian taxpayers four hundred million dollars

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Speaker 6: Well, we had it crack today getting the Pacific policing

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Speaker 13: That said by Pat Conroy, the Defense Minister and Obviously,

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Speaker 13: You go behind closed doors and had those conversations. It's

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Speaker 13: not as though you were a newly minted politician. He's

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Speaker 13: been doing this for decades. That is the most ridiculous

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Speaker 13: excuse from the Prime Minister to say that this should

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Speaker 13: not have been recorded by Lydia Lewis.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely it should have been done. It's out in the open.

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Speaker 13: What a silly conversation for the PM to have and

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Speaker 13: then try and throw shade at the journo. She's one

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Speaker 13: hundred percent in the right here. Header he's made a

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Speaker 13: goose of himself too, right, but.

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Speaker 2: He's only said what we all know that we're doing. Right.

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Speaker 2: This is not a surprise to any of us, of course.

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Speaker 13: And that's why you just should just live with it

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Speaker 13: and say I said it, you picked it up, and

451
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Speaker 13: you know what, it would be good if the US

452
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Speaker 13: would pick up two hundred million bucks because they're an ally.

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Speaker 13: If he said that, everyone go, oh yeah, move on.

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Speaker 2: It's a case of it's a case of actually it

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Speaker 2: not being that big deal. But he's making it worse

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Speaker 2: and worse by trying to blame everybody else spot on

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Speaker 2: and trying.

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Speaker 13: To blame the journo's ethics, like PM come on, like really.

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Speaker 2: Enough, these ghost training colleges, what is this?

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Speaker 13: So they're going to crack down here the government on

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Speaker 13: the number of international students coming into Australia. And there

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Speaker 13: are lots of documents now indicating that we have these

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Speaker 13: training colleges that have been set up to effectively saying

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Speaker 13: you might be coming too Australia to undertake a degree

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Speaker 13: or a course in becoming a nurse, or you might

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Speaker 13: be becoming a plumber or the like. Butt in fact, you're

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Speaker 13: not you know, that there's no idea, there's absolutely nothing

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Speaker 13: at the end of the training and instead you're finding

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Speaker 13: a way into Australia via that visa mechanism.

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Speaker 2: So they reckon.

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Speaker 13: There's about two hundred serious matters currently undervestigation in Australia,

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Speaker 13: the conduct of one hundred and sixty five providers and

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Speaker 13: one hundred concerned providers. So look, there's a lot of

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Speaker 13: providers that sound like they could be doing the dodgy

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Speaker 13: here Heather, and you know, you crack down on them,

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Speaker 13: shut them down.

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Speaker 2: They shouldn't be operating. Are you guys feeling a bit

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Speaker 2: bummed out about the Quantus result?

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Speaker 13: Well, we are because you know our super are all

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Speaker 13: connected to Quantus and number two even though you know

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Speaker 13: that profit's still pretty good at two billion and down

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Speaker 13: sixteen percent. They've also said they're going to put air

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Speaker 13: fares up, So come on, why need to put air

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Speaker 13: fars up when you've made a decent profit. I mean,

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Speaker 13: Australians really feels that they're being gouged and there's next

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Speaker 13: to no competition in this country at the moment anyway.

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Speaker 13: But because of the pay rises that are going to

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Speaker 13: be going to cabin crew and to pilots around the network.

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Speaker 13: The airlines indicated that we as customers are going to

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Speaker 13: have to pay more to put our bums on a

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Speaker 13: seat to go and visit you in Auckland's or Wellington.

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Speaker 2: Well, it could be worse. It could be in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand flying around your country. They're not good, no way worse.

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Speaker 2: You guys had a Quantus had had a profit drop

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Speaker 2: of twenty eight percent. In New Zealand had a profit

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Speaker 2: drop of sixty five Ooh yeah, all right, mane we

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Speaker 2: can do anything you can do. We can do better. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. Oliver Peterson six PR Perth Life Presented. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's been a tough all day for in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: They've reported full year profits down sixty five percent, and

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Speaker 2: as I say, compared to Quantus, they've outdone Quantus by

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Speaker 2: basically double wave chat to Greek four and I think

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Speaker 2: that I I think the problem for them is the engines,

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Speaker 2: which they don't really have much control over. But I

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Speaker 2: mean we also know it's bigger than that, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have a chat to him after six and

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Speaker 2: see what he's got to say about that. Let me

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Speaker 2: tell you Shane Jones is not offside with the public opinion.

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Speaker 2: Hitherso are judges untouchable and free from any criticism at all.

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Speaker 2: They should be held to account about who they're letting

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Speaker 2: back out in the public. That's from Uz. Hither, You've

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Speaker 2: nailed it. We all know there are appalling judges out there.

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Speaker 2: We should be able to criticize them. Hither. I'm with Shane.

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Speaker 2: He's spot on here. The Shane Jones is one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent on the money. Why should judges be above approach?

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Speaker 2: They've been infiltrated by left wing ideology like all our

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Speaker 2: public institutions apparently here what's wrong with Shane Jones telling

518
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Speaker 2: the truth? I really like what he's got to say

519
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Speaker 2: and how he says. It's straight up same problem as

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Speaker 2: with Stuart Nash. Unfortunately, we liked what Nash said, but

521
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Speaker 2: now she breached the cabinet rules. We're liking what Shane said,

522
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Speaker 2: but Shane's breached the cabinet rules. But I just wonder

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Speaker 2: at what point the judges do a bit of self

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Speaker 2: reflection here and think, wonder why all these people are

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Speaker 2: being so mean about our jobs. It's because you're doing

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Speaker 2: a stinct job. Do a better job quarter to.

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Speaker 6: Two politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 6: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Very Soper, Senior political correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Barry,

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Heather, Hey, Darlene Tanner. She is definitely outperforming expectations,

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Speaker 2: isn't she.

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Speaker 10: Well, she's bought herself more time, hasn't she? In Parliament?

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Speaker 10: Because the meeting that was set for this weekend on

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Speaker 10: the Sunday, they were scheduled to vote on whether she

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Speaker 10: should be ousted from Parliament with the Wakers jumping legislation,

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Speaker 10: which he most certainly would have if they had basically

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Speaker 10: enacted that legislation. But now though, there's been an agreement

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Speaker 10: to delay the interim and junction on that meeting ahead

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Speaker 10: of a full hearing for September the twelfth. So she's

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Speaker 10: got that now that time that she can hang around

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Speaker 10: Parliament essentially doing nothing and await after that for the

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Speaker 10: Greens to make a decision. So who knows when that's

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Speaker 10: gonna happen. But I'll tell you what I think. What

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Speaker 10: she's in shy for herself hither is that they will

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Speaker 10: make the decision to use as much as it'll be

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Speaker 10: difficult for them to do, to use the Walker jumping

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Speaker 10: legislation and to get rid of in very short order.

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Speaker 2: So do you think that because of the game that

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Speaker 2: she's playing, it'll actually swing the party increasingly and by

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Speaker 2: the same I mean the members and the delegates increasingly

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Speaker 2: and behind what the party wants to do here?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, I think it'll polarize the party, has no doubt

554
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Speaker 10: it's polarizing the public. I mean, here is a person

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Speaker 10: that's hanging on in Parliament really doing nothing effective, even

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Speaker 10: though she says she's got support, well, in fact she doesn't.

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Speaker 10: She's what she's doing is upsetting the proportionality of Parliament

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Speaker 10: and that is upsetting the three hundred and thirty odd

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Speaker 10: thousand voters they claim went out and voted for them

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Speaker 10: at the last election.

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Speaker 2: Is this also slightly embarrassing for the Greens though, that

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Speaker 2: they're being outmaneuvered by somebody who they consider to be

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Speaker 2: so useless.

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Speaker 10: Well, yes, the Greens. In fact, what they should have

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Speaker 10: done was they should have decided earlier, right at the beginning,

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Speaker 10: when they realized that she wasn't going to go. They

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Speaker 10: should have enacted that legislation then and she would have

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Speaker 10: been one and truly gone by now. But now she's

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Speaker 10: bought more time. You're right, she outwitted them and they've

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Speaker 10: really now got to wait and see what happens without

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Speaker 10: interim injunction.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I see that basically all cars on the road

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Speaker 2: could be hit with the road user charges within about

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Speaker 2: three years. But does this mean so if we're all

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Speaker 2: paying road user charges, does that mean the fuel excise

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Speaker 2: is gone?

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Speaker 10: Well, yes, exactly. There was a speech given this after

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Speaker 10: or this morning by the Transport Minister Simeon Brown, who

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Speaker 10: seems to be the minister of everything these days. But

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Speaker 10: he said that certainly they're looking at scrapping the tax

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Speaker 10: on petrol all together, and that tax is seventy five

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Speaker 10: cents a later at the moment, and it's scheduled to

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Speaker 10: increase another twelve cents a later in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 10: Now he's indicated that lock road tolls will come between

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Speaker 10: now and twenty twenty seven, and he's cited three roads

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Speaker 10: that'll be looked at, and that is the Takatimu North Link,

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Speaker 10: the Munuwatu Gorge and the Otaki to north of Livin.

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Speaker 10: They'll be all toll roads, and there'll be more toll

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Speaker 10: rolled roads in the country.

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Speaker 4: And really when you look at.

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Speaker 10: The system the way it's worked taxing fuel, things have

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Speaker 10: changed considerably. I mean the Highways Act was introduced to

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Speaker 10: nineteen twenty two for goodness sake, and it was meant

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Speaker 10: to operate on a user pays basic basis, the more

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Speaker 10: you drive, the more you pay. Well, as we know,

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Speaker 10: there are more efficient vehicles that can drive more and

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Speaker 10: pay less, while inefficient vehicles drive less and pay more.

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Speaker 10: So it's an inequitable system at the moment, and road

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Speaker 10: user charges and tolls would seem to be the way

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Speaker 10: this government's going Berry.

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Speaker 2: Why can we thank Ginny Anderson for the fact that

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Speaker 2: the toe fees are going to go up?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Well, this was legislation that was introduced by her as

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Speaker 10: Police Minister on police road chases and they essentially the

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Speaker 10: tow truck drivers when the cops chased the car and impounded,

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Speaker 10: it was the tow truck drivers that had to come

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Speaker 10: and pick it up. Now there was legislation that was

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Speaker 10: introduced to on these pursuits of cars. Jenny Anderson was

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Speaker 10: asked it was fear for her government to introduce a

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Speaker 10: policy it knew would leave tow truck companies out of pocket,

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Speaker 10: and she said in reply to that, it's important that

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Speaker 10: people who flee the police are accountable, and it's important,

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Speaker 10: she said, that police have the tools that they should

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Speaker 10: wish to if they should wish to use them. So

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Speaker 10: it was all as a result to that that when

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Speaker 10: you look at ten to fifteen of the cars that

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Speaker 10: are impounded twenty eight days or more, they're usually abandoned

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Speaker 10: and expecting that to rise as high as sixty percent

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Speaker 10: when they're impounded for more than six months. So who

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Speaker 10: picks up the tab for that? The old toys? And

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Speaker 10: I never thought i'd see the day that I'd be

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Speaker 10: defending toys publicly on radio.

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Speaker 2: How about that, Barry? Thank you very much appreciated Barry's

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Speaker 2: sober senior political correspondent eight away from five.

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Speaker 6: Digging into the issues that affect you the Mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Who chances are what apart from zero?

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Speaker 5: Well, we lawyer, the loyally types are always very reluctant

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Speaker 5: that they never.

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Speaker 11: And when Darlene brings you up if you're a lawyer

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Speaker 11: and get highlight's Darlene tarneh if ego, I'm busy at

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Speaker 11: the moment, or do you take the case ser if

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Speaker 11: it's a resignation for her, it's a resignation for him.

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Speaker 11: There'll be no resignations, of course, but they've got to

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Speaker 11: be on notice that that sort of be yes, isn't it?

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Speaker 11: Going back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 11: with the Rain drove of the Laugh News talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how cool is Hawks Bay Regional Council?

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Speaker 4: Ah?

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Speaker 2: I mean that cool? Aren't they? They can't even do

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Speaker 2: their jobs properly. That they are the council that just

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Speaker 2: that just let people get flooded. They were like, whoops,

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Speaker 2: oh was that right? Oh did we have an emergency?

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Speaker 2: I NA, that was them? And now what are they doing?

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Speaker 2: Is that voted to retain the marrii Wards, which, you know,

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Speaker 2: whatever you can do that, that's that's what the law allows.

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Speaker 2: But this is the thing that makes them really cool.

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Speaker 2: In celebrating this, this particular decision, they have posted on

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Speaker 2: their own Facebook page a picture of patched gang members

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Speaker 2: celebrating with them. Isn't that cool? That's really cool, isn't it?

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Speaker 9: So?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Simon Brown, who happens to be the minister who

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Speaker 2: has to deal with these clowns, is going to be

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Speaker 2: with us shortly talking about the parking fees. But we

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Speaker 2: are going to talk to him about that too, because wow,

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Speaker 2: I cee, so I just cannot. I just have if

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Speaker 2: I constantly find more things to just be wowed by

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Speaker 2: Hawks Bay Regional Council. Over all blacks are going to

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Speaker 2: be announced in four minutes time, so standing by for that.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to speak to Ginny, by the way, about

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Speaker 2: what happened on Talley last night. Ginny's busy today. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Ginny's on leave just this afternoon. It would appear just

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Speaker 2: this afternoon, but then not on leave tomorrow, even maybe

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow, who knows, But this afternoon she's on leave.

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Speaker 2: She can't talk about it. It's a little bit like

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Speaker 2: when Tory gets the COVID, when you know that kind

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Speaker 2: of COVID that you get just when things are getting

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Speaker 2: awkward for you and you get sick because you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: she's like, I can't handle that got COVID. I just

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Speaker 2: think this is a kind of this is the kind

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Speaker 2: of stunt that Ginny's pulling today. Anyway, they did put

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Speaker 2: out a statement, this is the Labor Party, they say.

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Speaker 2: While the pr is correct in reference to the period

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Speaker 2: from December to June, since the government formed, a more

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Speaker 2: accurate comparison would have been year on year, a more

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Speaker 2: fulsome comparison should have been used, which is yes, and

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Speaker 2: an admission that they've been busted on the old pretending

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Speaker 2: that the foot patrols have gone down story. Fortunately for Ginny,

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Speaker 2: it's really not the end of the world. Everybody's for

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Speaker 2: going to forget about this in six months time, and

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Speaker 2: probably a good lesson has been learned for her here,

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Speaker 2: which is is that it's better to just be honest

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Speaker 2: than to play silly buggers, isn't it. But today's not

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Speaker 2: six months from now. Today is today and we're still

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Speaker 2: remembering and many lols, many lolls at Ginny getting busted

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Speaker 2: for that one? Am I right? Andrew? Get us on

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Speaker 2: Darlene next.

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Speaker 6: Day, the only drive show you can trust to ask

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Speaker 6: the questions, get the answers by the facts and give

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Speaker 6: the analysis. Heather, do the ce Alan drive with one

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Speaker 6: New Zealand let's get connected a news talk as.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good afternoon. Darlene Tana lives to see another day.

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Speaker 2: After she launched those legal proceedings, the Green Party decided

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Speaker 2: to cancel the special meeting they had planned for this

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Speaker 2: weekend where they were going to plot kicking her out

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Speaker 2: of Parliament. There is now a new court hearing in

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Speaker 2: two weeks time. University of Otago law professor Andrew Gettis

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Speaker 2: is with me, now, hey, Andrew, Yeah. Ever, so it

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Speaker 2: turns out that what she's actually fighting is the investigation

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Speaker 2: into her the process. Has she got a case here?

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Speaker 5: Well, until we see all the evidence, it's difficult to know,

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Speaker 5: but it's really hard to see. Essentially, what she's arguing

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Speaker 5: is that she didn't really resign from the party, but

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Speaker 5: she basically was pushed out and that the Greens approach

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Speaker 5: to her made it untenable for her to remain. And

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Speaker 5: because she's saying she was effectively constructively dismissed, forced out,

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Speaker 5: she hasn't done anything that would then allow the Greens

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Speaker 5: to trigger the party.

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Speaker 14: Hop in the war.

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Speaker 5: So that's basically what she's saying, that the investigation of

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Speaker 5: the way the Greens treated her made her resign rather

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Speaker 5: than her choosing to resign, and that's what she's going

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Speaker 5: to have to try to commit the court of Yes.

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Speaker 2: This ultimately comes down to the waker jumping law in

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Speaker 2: the end, will she have a case on that? Saying

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Speaker 2: that that they can't use it because they actually kicked

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Speaker 2: her out.

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, so what the Walker jump in law requires

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Speaker 5: is that the proportionality of Parliament be disturbed, and that's

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Speaker 5: happened because you know, the Green's now have won SMP.

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Speaker 5: But it has to be the result of the MP's actions.

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Speaker 5: So what she's going to argue is, look, this wasn't

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Speaker 5: my fault, wasn't my actions that caused this. It was

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Speaker 5: the Green Party did it to me. The big problem

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Speaker 5: is she resigned. You know, she's going to have to

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Speaker 5: convince the court that essentially her resignation wasn't a real resignation,

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Speaker 5: it was the Greens pushed her out.

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Speaker 2: Well, a constructive dismissal essentially.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The problem is, of course constructive dismissal and employment law

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Speaker 5: is built around with all sorts of protections and so on.

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Speaker 5: Political parties are different, right, they're political organizations where you

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Speaker 5: meant to be robust and parties have a right to

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Speaker 5: get rid of you if you're not upholding the party

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Speaker 5: line and not reflecting well on the party. So it's

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Speaker 5: not exactly the same as constructive dismissal that that sort

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Speaker 5: of law doesn't apply. It's a much much tougher test.

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Speaker 2: So Andrew compared to how her case was looking this morning,

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Speaker 2: which was extremely weak, how's it looking now to you?

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Speaker 2: A little stronger?

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Speaker 5: No, extremely weak. Still, all that's happened. All that's happened

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Speaker 5: is that she's managed to get the Greens to a

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Speaker 5: great yeah, to put everything on hold for a couple

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Speaker 5: of weeks. But the Green's agreed to do that. The

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Speaker 5: court didn't order them to do that. Well, well, it

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Speaker 5: looks like they only got notice of this case like yesterday,

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Speaker 5: and so they need time, I guess, to prepare. And

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Speaker 5: so I think rather than sort of fight a immediate case,

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Speaker 5: immediate court decision, now they've said, okay, let's take two

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Speaker 5: weeks and get this sorted properly while we've got all

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Speaker 5: our arguments in line.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, I really appreciate you talking us through it. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much, mate. That's Andrew GETTUS University of Otago

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Speaker 2: law professor.

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Speaker 1: Heather do for se Allen.

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Speaker 2: Parking fines are about to go through the roof. The

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Speaker 2: government is updating the amount that can be charged if

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Speaker 2: overstay you're welcome on the parking on the car park.

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Speaker 2: It means the fines are going to go up by

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Speaker 2: about seventy percent. And here's the big one. If you

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Speaker 2: park in a disabled car parking you're not supposed to,

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Speaker 2: the fine is going from one hundred and fifty dollars

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Speaker 2: to seven hundred and fifty dollars. Also, towing companies will

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Speaker 2: be allowed to charge you more. Transport Minister Samon Brown

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Speaker 2: is with us, Hey, same in good evening. Are you

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Speaker 2: doing this because this is what Wayne Brown wants?

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Speaker 14: Oh, I think there's.

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Speaker 16: Something that councils have been asking for, including Wayne Brown,

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Speaker 16: in terms of being able to make sure they can

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Speaker 16: get cost recovery. The reality is a lot of these

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Speaker 16: fines haven't been increased for twenty years, I think two

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Speaker 16: thousand and four, and the reality is it's not something

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Speaker 16: that you want to do. But the reality of councils

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Speaker 16: do have to make sure that they are to enforce

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Speaker 16: the rules, and that means putting people out there so

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Speaker 16: that you know, for car parking, for instance at the

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Speaker 16: local shops and the local business wants more customers coming through, well,

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Speaker 16: that means you've going to make sure those car parks

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Speaker 16: are available for those both businesses for people to come along.

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Speaker 16: So it's definitely not something which you'd like to do.

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Speaker 16: But it's something which is about making sure that the

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Speaker 16: tools are in place, and they haven't been updated twenty years.

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Speaker 2: So for example twenty years.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think it's one of these things that's in

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Speaker 16: regulations and it hasn't been looked at for that time.

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure why, but you know, for instance, when

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Speaker 16: it comes to an Auckland here where I am at

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Speaker 16: the moment, and I think Wayne Brown makes a sensible,

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Speaker 16: you know, a pretty common sense point. Sometimes actually the

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Speaker 16: cost of parking is more expense is actually you know,

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Speaker 16: more than the actual fine, So why why bother paying

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Speaker 16: the parking? So it's about common sense and people taking

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Speaker 16: responsibility and given counsels those tools. But we have made

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Speaker 16: one significant change which you highlighted in the intro, which

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Speaker 16: is around disabled car parks, and that is basically just

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Speaker 16: sending a very key message to people who do park

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Speaker 16: and disabled car parks. We have zero tolerance for that.

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Speaker 16: And you know those are there for a reason for

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Speaker 16: people who are disabled, and it's really important that they

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Speaker 16: are able to access those car parks. And you know

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Speaker 16: those people go and hold those car parks are pretty

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Speaker 16: despicable to right.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what are you going to do about Hawk's Bay

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Speaker 2: Regional councilor having those game members in there.

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Speaker 16: Oh my goodness, it's pretty appalling. I haven't haven't got

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Speaker 16: an answer to specific answer to your question other than

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Speaker 16: I guess my message is that councils should be following

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Speaker 16: the law, and you know, in this case they have

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Speaker 16: not been, which is the law says very clearly that

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Speaker 16: you know, gang insignia is not to be displayed in

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Speaker 16: public places.

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Speaker 2: And the means they talked you why they didn't do that.

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Speaker 16: They haven't told me directly. What I've heard is that

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Speaker 16: they just want to be nice. That's an excuse. The

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Speaker 16: reality is that was intimidating. It was an important vote

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Speaker 16: by that council and those people should not have been

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Speaker 16: there wearing those insignia.

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do about ECN.

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Speaker 16: That's a challenging situation because the standing Orders of Parliament

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Speaker 16: don't don't allow a government bill to repeal a local bill. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: and so I've written to the Council asking the council

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Speaker 16: to put forward a local bill to the said no,

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Speaker 16: which I expected. We're considering what further steps may need

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Speaker 16: to be required, and so we're getting further into around.

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Speaker 2: That you think there are things do you think there

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Speaker 2: are things you can do?

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Speaker 14: Well?

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Speaker 16: We're getting further advice on it. None of the options

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Speaker 16: are easy from what the early advice that I have seen.

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Speaker 16: But ultimately, you know, we are committed to the principle

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Speaker 16: of one person, one vote. That is an incredibly anti

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Speaker 16: democratic law that is in place. There it he can

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Speaker 16: and so we are working through the options. But because

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Speaker 16: of the standing orders not allowing a government bill to

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Speaker 16: repeal a local bill, it does make it a lot harder.

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Speaker 16: Otherwise I would have just put a bill through Parliament

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Speaker 16: by now.

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Speaker 2: I mean really quickly. How badly do you want to

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Speaker 2: change that? Because this a fight you want to have.

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Speaker 16: Oh, it's something. It's a principle that we need to uphold.

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Speaker 16: And the concern is that you know, this becomes something

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Speaker 16: that other councils may look to do as well. So

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Speaker 16: you know, it is something we're doing. We're taking further

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Speaker 16: advice on to work out what the options are and

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Speaker 16: I'm working closely with my colleague Paul Goldsmith on that

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Speaker 16: as Minister of Justice as well.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Hey, thank you for that. Same and Brown,

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Speaker 2: the Transportman, as to what it is is that e

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Speaker 2: can the regional authority in Canterbury has got two seats

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Speaker 2: for Manifenua on there and they basically have to as

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Speaker 2: you heard sim And say, they basically have to undo

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Speaker 2: that they don't want to. So he's going to have

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Speaker 2: to somehow figure out how to go over the top

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Speaker 2: of him.

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Speaker 1: Heather duper c Allen feel like we've.

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Speaker 2: Turned a corner in the gloominess. If you do, I

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Speaker 2: can tell you, yes, we have.

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Speaker 12: We have.

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Speaker 2: We've got more evidence of this. So A and Z's

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Speaker 2: business confidence numbers are out today and there is a

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Speaker 2: huge jump in how confident business owners are feeling. Business

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Speaker 2: confidence is up twenty three points to plus fifty one

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Speaker 2: this month, which is the highest level in a decade.

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Speaker 2: Expected own activity has gone up twenty one points to

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Speaker 2: plus thirty seven, which is a seven year high. A

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Speaker 2: and Z reckons it's not the OCR cuts. They saw

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Speaker 2: this actually starting last month might have been because we

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Speaker 2: could see the OCR cuts coming. The question is will

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Speaker 2: the burst of euphoria last? Who knows? Maybe not, But

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Speaker 2: here's the thing. Temperature outside is going up, the OCR

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Speaker 2: is coming down. What's there to complain about? Sixteen past

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00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: five Hey, in twenty twenty four, a car shouldn't just

873
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Speaker 2: get you from A to B right by Now. I'm

874
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Speaker 2: sure you've heard about how amazing byds are to drive,

875
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: but there is a whole lot more that they do

876
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: as well, like their app. Just to give you one example.

877
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: In this day and age, everything's got an app, and

878
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: your car should also have an app. At a glance.

879
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: With the BYD app, you can do cool things like

880
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: check your mileage and your battery charge. You can lock

881
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: and unlock your car, you can check your tire pressure.

882
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: How good is that? Do a whole bunch of other stuff.

883
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: They're even starting to roll out a digital key for

884
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Speaker 2: Apple users, and this is where your phone becomes the

885
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: key for your car, and then you can share that

886
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: with other Apple users as well. It's pretty smart. And

887
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: let's not forget also, if the power goes out in

888
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 2: your house and you know this is a risk, nowadays,

889
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: you can run your household appliances from your car. BYD

890
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Speaker 2: really are at the forefront of cutting edge tech. So

891
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: if you want a vehicle that's top of the line

892
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: in every way, BYD is the way to go, head

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Speaker 2: over to BYD Auto, dot co, dot.

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Speaker 1: MZ Heather Do for clen All Black Squad.

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Speaker 2: It's been announced. Big news is Sam Sam Kaine is

896
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Speaker 2: back in the starting lineup. We're going to talk to

897
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Speaker 2: one of the assistant coaches, Jason Holland, who'll be with

898
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Speaker 2: us just after half past five right now, it's coming

899
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Speaker 2: up twenty past five.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: It turns out being an influencer is not quite the

902
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: dream career we all may have thought. According to IID,

903
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Speaker 2: only about sixty people in the country are working as

904
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Speaker 2: influencers full time, and the average income is only about

905
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Speaker 2: forty six thousand dollars a year, and our context for context,

906
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Speaker 2: the minimum wage full time can earn forty eight thousand

907
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Speaker 2: dollars a year. Melanie Spencer is co founder and CEO

908
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Speaker 2: of marketing agency Thompson Spencer and with us. Hey, Melanie, Hello, Heather,

909
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Speaker 2: how are you. I'm very well, thank you. Does it

910
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: surprise you or did you already know that these people

911
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Speaker 2: weren't really on the big dollars.

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Speaker 17: This information surprises me, to be honest, because we know

913
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Speaker 17: of influencers earning a lot more than that, and often

914
00:43:52,120 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 17: they supplement their salary for influencer content. So I'm just

915
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Speaker 17: not sure about the accuracy of this information.

916
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Speaker 2: Are they Well, this raises the question, are the influencers

917
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: you're aware of paying their taxes?

918
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Speaker 18: They are?

919
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Speaker 7: They are?

920
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Speaker 2: How much is the So give me the top dollar

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Speaker 2: that you're aware of an influencer earning.

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Speaker 17: Oh, look, we have influencers earning well over ten thousand

923
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Speaker 17: dollars per piece of content, and that kind of equates.

924
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Speaker 17: We've got an influencer that's earned already forty two thousand

925
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Speaker 17: dollars this year, and that's you know, we're only halfway through,

926
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Speaker 17: so you know they are earning a lot more for sure.

927
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Speaker 2: Okay, but again, if the if we're sort of like

928
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Speaker 2: we're coming up three quarters the way through the year,

929
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Speaker 2: they've earned forty two thousand, and then we're looking at

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Speaker 2: them maybe earning seventy to eighty thousand. Right, Still not

931
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Speaker 2: Kardashian have all stuff, is it?

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Speaker 17: It's still not Kardashian levels. But there are some some

933
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Speaker 17: influences that we know of that are earning in the hundreds.

934
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Speaker 2: For Are we counting all the free stuff they get

935
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Speaker 2: as well, like the swimming pools and all that kind

936
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Speaker 2: of stuff. Probably not, probably not, but they do.

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Speaker 17: They do have to state when they get free stuff,

938
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Speaker 17: and it is. It is one hundred percent rule when

939
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Speaker 17: they put content up, whether they've been gifted something interesting.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Melanie, thank you appreciate it. Melanie Spencer, co founder

941
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Speaker 2: and CEO of Tom Suspencer.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

943
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Speaker 2: I know of an influencer who had a pool installed

944
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Speaker 2: at their house. How good is that? That's attractive, isn't it?

945
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Speaker 2: Five twenty two.

946
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Speaker 6: The man you trust to get the answers you need

947
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Speaker 6: have a duple c Allen drive with one New Zealand

948
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Speaker 6: let's get connected news talk as they'd be.

949
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Speaker 2: Who cares about the influences. It's the only fans girls

950
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Speaker 2: earning the big dollar. That is true. Actually, that is

951
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Speaker 2: probably true. Twenty five past five. Now, is there anyone

952
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: else getting the feeling that the Greens have underestimated just

953
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: how far Darlene Tana will go to mess with them?

954
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: Is I feel like they've bit off a little bit

955
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: much with this one because so far, the way I

956
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: see it, it's too nil to Darlene. She won the

957
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: first round when she wouldn't leave parliament. They clearly thought

958
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: she was gonna leave after they released that report. But

959
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: she didn't won that one, and she's just won the

960
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: second round today by forcing the party to cancel that

961
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: meeting that they were planning to have on Sunday where

962
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 2: they were going to plot kicking her out of parliament.

963
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: I'm actually impressed. This woman's got way more gumption than

964
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: any of us thought. Who knows where it goes from here,

965
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: because this is clearly not the end. I mean, from

966
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: where I'm sitting, it looks like there's a couple more

967
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: rounds to come. Are They're going to go to court

968
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: in two weeks again, that's another round. And then when

969
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: they finally decide whenever that is, to try to kick

970
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: Darlene out of Parliament, that's going to be another round.

971
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to fight. And frankly, given what she's

972
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: pulled out already, they must be dreading what she's going

973
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Speaker 2: to do next. And you know what I know this is.

974
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: I know I'm running against the grain on this one,

975
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: but I actually think good on her because I'm enjoying

976
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: making watching her make them squirm. I mean, don't get

977
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 2: me wrong, This is not to say I'm on Darlene's side.

978
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: I'm not. She's weird, But the Greens deserve this. They

979
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: chose her, They were very very happy to have Darlene

980
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: on their list for the election. She was a nice,

981
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: married Maori lady from Auckland Central who owned a small business.

982
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: What that meant is that some nice people in Auckland

983
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: Central who have money and small businesses would look at

984
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: her and identify with her. She would make the Greens

985
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: okay for them and they would vote for the Greens.

986
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: Awful Darline. Because Darline's on the list and Darling's a

987
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: nice lady, well happy to have her. Then didn't do

988
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: the checks obviously on her, like they didn't do on

989
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: any of the other Green MPs who've since gone rogue.

990
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: So they've got to live with their choices, and they've

991
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: got to live with the big old fight that one

992
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: of their choices is bringing to them.

993
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: Ever do for Cee Ellen?

994
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricardo Ricardo had to. Riccardo Menendez March had to

995
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: front the stand up today case. He's the chief musterer.

996
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: They don't have whips in the Green Party because that's

997
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: too violent, so he's the chief whipper muster. And he

998
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: obviously got given a line that he just capt on

999
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: repeating about why why they canceled their meeting, The.

1000
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 12: Green's having no desire to be caught up and protracted

1001
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 12: legal proceedings where we'll ended that we don't want this

1002
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 12: to become a protected process. We think that by doing

1003
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 12: this we can avoid protected proceedings. And this is why

1004
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 12: the way that we're moving forward is to avoid protected proceedings, amusement.

1005
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 12: At this point, what we want to achieve this is

1006
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 12: to avoid is becoming a protected process.

1007
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, did you catch that? They don't want it

1008
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: to become a protected What is this if not a

1009
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: protected process?

1010
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 6: Already?

1011
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: How good is it?

1012
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 19: Which is that most times we've ever broadcast the word

1013
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 19: protracted on the show in a row, it must be surely.

1014
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: That's and also you know, absolute respect to Ricardo that

1015
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: he managed to get the p's in the r's in

1016
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: the right places, because that's a that's a little tongue twister,

1017
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: isn't it? Protected proceedings? I can't even do it? Headlines next.

1018
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 6: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1019
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 6: your car on your drive home. Here the duper ce

1020
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 6: Alan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

1021
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 6: news talk because it'd be.

1022
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: The thing that I've got.

1023
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: Here the show, of course, Darling is obviously taking the

1024
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: person that's why she's springing things out so she can

1025
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: keep collecting her armiamentary salary. Of course that's what she's

1026
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: up to. But as I say, lowls, lols while we

1027
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: watch it unfold, couldn't happen to a nicer group of

1028
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 2: people here? The in New Zealand's lower an expected profit

1029
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: means fares will go up again to please the shareholders. Yes, Unfortunately,

1030
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: I think that may well be the case, although I

1031
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: think that that was going to happen regardless of what

1032
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: was going to happen with the profit. Greek foreigners with

1033
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: us after six, by the way, and what did I

1034
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: tell you yesterday about a New Zealand who are not

1035
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: going to be happy about the on time performance thing

1036
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: and are not happy about it? And did I have

1037
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: to feel the messages last night about that? And I'm

1038
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: gonna I'm going to stand my ground on this one,

1039
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about it before six o'clock,

1040
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 2: because Yeah, I've got a case to make here, I've

1041
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: got a case to make. The huddle's gonna be with

1042
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: us very shortly twenty four away from six.

1043
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: Heather do for cler So.

1044
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 2: Sam Caine is back in the All Black starting lineup.

1045
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: He's one of only two changes made to the lineup.

1046
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: The other one is the captain Scott Barrett, who's back

1047
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: from a finger injury. All Black's assistant coach Jason Holland

1048
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: has stepped away from the team naming to speak to us. Hey, Jason,

1049
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: you're there evening here. How are you going mate? I'm

1050
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 2: very well, very pleased to see this lineup announced. How

1051
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: did Sam Makers come back?

1052
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1053
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 14: Look, Sam's been chipping a right away and training, looking

1054
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 14: really sharp and physical for the last couple of weeks

1055
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 14: in training and there's no better men to having your

1056
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 14: group when you're going Ellis Park to try and to

1057
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 14: try and plas Afkin so looking forward to what he

1058
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 14: he knows he can bring.

1059
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: What's wrong with Dalton Papalini?

1060
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Speaker 14: The adult's got a he's fine a little bit more today.

1061
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 14: Around his thumb. He's got a bang. It's got a

1062
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 14: bit of a he's taking a few precautions at the moment,

1063
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 14: but he's having scans at the moment. We'll find out,

1064
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,479
Speaker 14: but it's fun. Not sure. Hopefully it's only a short

1065
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 14: term thing. But we've got to get some skins on

1066
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 14: it today.

1067
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Okay, when you heard the news that

1068
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: Evan it's Sabetha is back. How bummed out were you?

1069
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 14: There's lots of games in there. I think earlier in

1070
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 14: the week. You never read too much and though anything anyway,

1071
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 14: So you know, we've obviously preparing for all those all

1072
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 14: those things that could happen. And yeah, he's obviously a

1073
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 14: big part of the pack, isn't he And you know

1074
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 14: we'll prepare with him ready to play.

1075
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: Jason, give me your honest feeling about this. How confident

1076
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: are you feeling about taking on the spring box at

1077
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 2: Alice Park?

1078
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 14: It's an awesome opportunity, isn't it. You know, we've talked

1079
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 14: around it all week around you know, I know a

1080
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 14: lot of people have said it it's one of the

1081
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 14: best rugby occasions to be a part of. And that's

1082
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 14: the way the boys are looking at the love looking

1083
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 14: forward to the opportunity, and we feel pretty confident where

1084
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 14: our game's got to and then we were getting to

1085
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 14: in the last couple of weeks especially, So yeah, we're

1086
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 14: excited and looking forward to the challenge ahead.

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00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: Do you reckon you can win it?

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00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, definitely, diffinitely. There's obviously some key parts of the

1089
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 14: game We're going to have to have to be really accurate.

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00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 14: You know, you have to make sure that the you

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00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 14: match the physicality of the of the South Aficans. And

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00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 14: in the kicking game obviously you deal with that. But

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00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 14: I've got to make sure we play the all Blacks

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00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 14: way as well and find ways to attack them. So

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00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 14: we definitely we get things right. We do a definitely

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00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 14: a good chance.

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Speaker 2: How are you going without Leon?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 5: I got it.

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Speaker 14: Look it was here's good mate and a you know,

1101
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 14: a really good coach, and it was you know, we

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00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 14: put that to beer there before we came over here.

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00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 14: And you know, when you're playing South Africa, Eli's Park,

1104
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 14: you can't do well on things too much. It's got

1105
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 14: to get on with them. That's what we've done. But

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00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 14: here we'll be. We've been a good week and looking

1107
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 14: forward to Is it a weird vibe?

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00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: Do you sometimes go to say something to him and

1109
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, no, it's not here anymore.

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00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all.

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00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 14: We've you guys are rough, not at all, not at all.

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00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 14: It's you can't move on, you can't, can you.

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00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 5: I'm a good coach, just giving you a hard time.

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00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you man, I really appreciate it, Go well

1115
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: and win the game. Please. A's Jason Holland, All Black's

1116
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: assistant coach. Right now, it is coming up twenty away

1117
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: from six.

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Speaker 6: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty unparalleled reach

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Speaker 6: and results on the Huddle of that's.

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Speaker 2: This evening, We've got Jack tam Q and a host

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00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: host of Saturday Mornings here on ZI'DB and Phillo Riley

1122
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: Iron Duke Partners and former boss of Business New Zealand

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00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: High Lads, Hey are you are you? Are you a

1124
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: better jack? You're gonna put any money on the game?

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Speaker 4: Nah?

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00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 15: Does that surprise you at all? I'm just I'm not

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00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 15: someone who gambles at all.

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00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm just just rationale. Oh no, I love a fluster.

1129
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: If I bet it's a good thing, it doesn't work.

1130
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 2: What about you, Phil?

1131
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 4: I won't bet on this one, but I do bet occasionally.

1132
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 4: My biggest winning bet was at a white Kato race

1133
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 4: when I was given the tip by the blake who

1134
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 4: opens the door of the stand and the white coach

1135
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 4: gave me a tip and I won a thousand bucks

1136
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 4: and I was very hard.

1137
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 2: How much did you put on King?

1138
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 5: Oh?

1139
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 4: Big? Like it was you know, you look back at it.

1140
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 4: You know there was a distinct smell of broor cream

1141
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 4: about this blake, So obviously hang out on the racetrack

1142
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 4: while a lot knew what he was talking about. So

1143
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 4: I took the right advice. But that's my biggest winning bet,

1144
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 4: taking advice from my boke and a white cape.

1145
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 2: Good from you, and they have split loyalties at all

1146
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: whither oh me? Oh not really? I want Raiser to win. Yeah,

1147
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: I'm backing Razor because I've really put a lot of

1148
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: my own credibility into Raiser, being the guy I.

1149
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 15: Thought going to see you put a load of your

1150
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 15: own credit there, and you were going.

1151
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 4: He k you.

1152
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 2: Obviously it goes without saying. So I have a big expectations.

1153
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 2: Speaking of expectations, phil is Darlene out performing your expectations,

1154
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: and how much grief she's giving the Greens.

1155
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 4: You just you just hold your head, don't you. You

1156
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 4: just think what's going on here? The Greens surely should

1157
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: have done some work in the background about what the

1158
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 4: legals were about going forward and what they were doing,

1159
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 4: and they should have taken legal advice about the way forward.

1160
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 4: That's what any sensible party or sensible organization would do.

1161
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 4: What are the options here? What might the other party do?

1162
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 4: And they've been out thought and now gun by by

1163
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 4: Darlene and go and it carries on. And who's the

1164
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 4: loser out of this, The poor old textpayer just paying

1165
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: for all stuff going on here?

1166
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: And what are we paying for? Phil though? Because I

1167
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: can't quite get my head around it.

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00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 15: So I don't think we pay for Darlene's legal election?

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00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 18: Do we do?

1170
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 19: We do?

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00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 5: We think we do?

1172
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know about that. And she I thought

1173
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 4: we might actually because it's maybe not, but were certainly

1174
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 4: paying a salary and she doesn't exactly sort of turn

1175
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 4: up on the parliament.

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Speaker 2: But come on, well it's not. It's not like the

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00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: next number fourteen or whatever on the Green Party is

1178
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: going to be some sort of a rock star. They're

1179
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: also going to be a space feller who cares, but

1180
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: they will be.

1181
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 4: A member of Parliament operating on behalf of the Green Party,

1182
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: which is what our system does. And so you know,

1183
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 4: I just you just hold your head that it's just

1184
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 4: turning into this kind of this joke that's going on.

1185
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 4: And to your point previously, doesn't it doesn't tell me

1186
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 4: the Greens are going great as a party right now.

1187
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 4: They just look amateur, they really do.

1188
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: Jack, what do you understand about who's paying her bills?

1189
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 15: I just that was my understanding that if she was,

1190
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 15: if she was going to try and block this, that

1191
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 15: it might be on her rather than on the taxpayer.

1192
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 15: But I don't I'm not an authority on that, so

1193
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 15: I don't want to be quote, but that was just

1194
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 15: my That was my understanding.

1195
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: Are you impressed with her?

1196
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 15: I mean, it's like, I don't, Well, she's certainly digging

1197
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 15: in her heels.

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Speaker 19: I just think.

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Speaker 15: I just think it's remarkable that you have a government that,

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00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 15: at least through many of through the leans of many

1201
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 15: in the Green Party, this would be like such a

1202
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 15: prime opportunity to be a really effective opposition party, Like

1203
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 15: you have to draft and missions plan out at the moment,

1204
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 15: you have the fast direct legislation, you have you know,

1205
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 15: guess you have all of this stuff. But the only

1206
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 15: thing that the party is talking about is whether or

1207
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 15: not to kick out Darling Tanner. I honestly don't think

1208
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 15: it would honestly make a massive difference to them if

1209
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 15: she was there or if she wasn't there. But the

1210
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 15: fact that it's the only thing they are talking about,

1211
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 15: and they still haven't managed to decide exactly where they're

1212
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 15: going to stand. I just think it would they have actually.

1213
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: Been better off just leaving her to it and just

1214
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: not picking.

1215
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 15: Well, I reckon there's a good argument for for sometimes

1216
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 15: just not not drawing attention to things, and and we

1217
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 15: and media sometimes are seduced by giving attention to things

1218
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 15: that we should otherwise as well. You know I've said

1219
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 15: this to you before. When I think of, like some

1220
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 15: of the rhetoric coming from political parties like to Party

1221
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 15: Mardi this year, I'm like, maybe if we actually didn't

1222
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 15: kick up a huge fuss about these MP's using the

1223
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 15: term genocide, for example, then actually it wouldn't be an

1224
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 15: effective measure for those MPs to go and use that

1225
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 15: because they know that it's going to get a reaction.

1226
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 15: They know it's going to stir us up. And sometimes

1227
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 15: I think, you know, from the Green's perspective, even though

1228
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 15: I reckon they should have probably want a jump darling

1229
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 15: tonne ptty early if they just ignored it, would any

1230
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 15: of us be talking about it today?

1231
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: No, this is a very good point, phil, isn't it.

1232
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: They should have just let her quit and sit there

1233
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: in Siberia and nobody talked to her. Ever, again, she's

1234
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: going to vote with the meanings.

1235
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 4: Of course, you saw that, you saw some of those

1236
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: labor people go to the Maray Party for the last election.

1237
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 4: So I mean there is a there is a constitutional

1238
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 4: issue here. But I agree they could just as easily

1239
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 4: left her out, Erector out there, but she would have

1240
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 4: gone off to the Maray Party and she would have

1241
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 4: created further you know, difficulty for them, and the Marray

1242
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 4: Party would have talked that up, and so I suspect

1243
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 4: that's what would happen.

1244
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 15: So although they've said that they haven't had conversations with it,

1245
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 15: sorry Phil, that just to be they I've asked to

1246
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 15: Party Maldi a couple of times about this and they've

1247
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 15: said that they had had no conversations with Darlne Tanner

1248
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 15: about who going across. Whether or not that's still the case,

1249
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 15: I don't know. But then the conversations I've had with

1250
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 15: their leadership, they've said, no, we've had no conversations at all.

1251
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll take a break, we'll come back

1252
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: very shortly. It's coming up quarter to six.

1253
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,280
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1255
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: Back with the huddle, Jack came fellow Riley Jack, how

1256
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: are you feeling about the parking finds going up? Okay?

1257
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 15: The thing that has shot me totally fine about fines

1258
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 15: going up, And honestly, I reckon that should be your challenge.

1259
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 15: Find me someone who's going to argue against raising the

1260
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 15: fines against people who parking to say we'll go.

1261
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: But it's all of them, it's not just that I know.

1262
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 15: But find me one because that's the one that's like

1263
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 15: most extreme right fifty bios. To see if there's one

1264
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 15: person in New Zealand who will argue against that, I'd

1265
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 15: be fascinated to know what their argument would be. The

1266
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 15: thing that has fascinated me about this, though, is who

1267
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 15: knew there were thirty seven thirty seven different things you

1268
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 15: can be fine for parking. I never knew that parking

1269
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 15: parking fines were so were so specific. So you get

1270
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 15: fined for different things. If you if you're supposed to

1271
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 15: be parking on an angle and you didn't park on

1272
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 15: an angle, you get fined. If you are between zero

1273
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 15: and thirty minutes overdue, you get parked you get a

1274
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 15: fine all sorts of different things.

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00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 14: Right.

1276
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: Also, you think when you park a vehicle on a

1277
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: foot path or cycle path for seventy dollars fine, that's

1278
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: when you just pause? You uber driver? Who did that

1279
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: to me yesterday? Do you think that that's when you

1280
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 2: just pause? Or is it like actual parking?

1281
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1282
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 15: I think it's actual parking.

1283
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: Oh bug up, you can't use it. Yeah, I mean

1284
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: you need a.

1285
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 15: PHDT to even digest the right, like the whole table.

1286
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's still I'm on board with this because

1287
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: I want my counsel to sweat that asset, get some

1288
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: money out of it so I don't have to pay

1289
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: more races.

1290
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 4: What's amazing. What's amazing is how is it that the

1291
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 4: ministers make announcements about parking fines? What other country does that?

1292
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 4: It's extraordinary thought, isn't It wasn't even to where the

1293
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 4: government set them. But I guess if they let the

1294
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 4: councils do it, some of them might even do crazy stuff.

1295
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 4: I think we actually, I argue that we need to

1296
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 4: be cautious of up the seven hundred and fifty oars

1297
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 4: fine because that's actually going to be more than speeding.

1298
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 4: Some speeding finds quite a few speeding fines actually, and

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Speaker 4: I think speeding is more dangerous than parking a disabled carpack.

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Speaker 4: So we just need to be a bit cautious about that.

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Speaker 2: And Phil, that's obviously, that's obviously them sucking up to

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Speaker 2: the disabled community.

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Speaker 4: After this was my this was my semicism. This was

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Speaker 4: my symicism about it. Where you've got the minister having

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Speaker 4: just annoyed the disabled community pably argument with him. Now

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Speaker 4: she makes the costless announcement saying, I mind your side

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Speaker 4: and I'm going to put the fines up. And I

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Speaker 4: just think, really, I'm not sure that that's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, playing politics is always a bit yucky,

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Speaker 2: but I mean, as Jack says, who's going to argue

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Speaker 2: against it? Well, actually, did we just find out guy

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Speaker 2: who's arguing against it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Phil, there was a pretty good argea like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we just need to be cautious about the level of

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Speaker 4: fines for different things that actually they reflect the danger

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Speaker 4: of what's going on here. And I'm not suggesting you

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Speaker 4: should park in a disabled pack. What I am saying

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Speaker 4: is we need to be cautious about we're going to

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Speaker 4: we're going to find you more for that than we

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Speaker 4: might do for, for example, or low will drug events.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not the finest, but should be thinking about

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Speaker 4: those kinds of issues as well. Attend to toblic danger.

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Speaker 2: Jack how long? I No, I won't ask it like that.

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Speaker 2: Ginny Anderson, how bad? Was that?

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Speaker 15: Pretty bad?

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Speaker 2: Pretty cheeky?

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Speaker 15: And I just feel like, I mean, as a journal

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Speaker 15: I've got a bit excited by some numbers from time

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Speaker 15: to time, right, And you can see how there's an

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Speaker 15: honest way to.

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Speaker 2: Have made that mistake.

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Speaker 15: I think Genny Anders's problem is that she's she is

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Speaker 15: really enthusiastic as in the opposition role, a little too

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Speaker 15: enthusiastic on a couple of occasions, and so maybe I

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Speaker 15: don't know, maybe this is another reason that she just

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Speaker 15: needs to take a breath. I mean, yeah, if you

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Speaker 15: look at the numbers and you look at an annual context,

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Speaker 15: clearly there's a massive spike every December, so that it's

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Speaker 15: pretty easy to debunk her message.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, not a great lot. What do you reckon film?

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Speaker 4: Well, I have little bit of time for Ginny. She

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Speaker 4: finds she's actually quite engaging and quite positive, so you

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Speaker 4: know she's you know, she's not some some sort of

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Speaker 4: but you know, the worst thing here was she said

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Speaker 4: it was a bit of a dumb and dumbest at

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Speaker 4: the moment, wasn't She sort of did it, and then

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Speaker 4: she carried on with it when it was pointed out

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Speaker 4: to hers. She could have gone, oh oops, oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: sorry about that. Yeah, I know you're right about that,

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Speaker 4: and just just withdrawn and moved on. Yeah, but she

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Speaker 4: kind of she should have said something and then proved

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Speaker 4: that she looked every time she opened the mouth, she looked.

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Speaker 4: She was proving that she was being duplicitous about you know,

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Speaker 4: been misleading about the statements. She just should have withdrawn

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Speaker 4: and said, look, a good point, sorry that I didn't

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Speaker 4: misunderstand those, and and we move on because there's so

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Speaker 4: many other things. This is the point Jack made earlier on.

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Speaker 4: There's so many other things that you can get into

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Speaker 4: the government for right now if you're a sensible opposition

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Speaker 4: and you're a bit smart about it. And they chose

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Speaker 4: that one, why did they do that. Let's let Mark

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Speaker 4: Mitchell have a have a free pass at them, have

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Speaker 4: a free kick.

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Speaker 7: Just madness.

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Speaker 2: Really, I think that's a very fair point. The thing

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Speaker 2: for Ginny now, Jack is that she is going to

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Speaker 2: have to be so careful and accurate from here on in.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I mean she's, like I say, there've been

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Speaker 15: a couple of instances in opposition right where she's probably

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Speaker 15: just got a bit ahead of herself, a bit excited

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Speaker 15: moment or whatever. And yeah, yeah, I mean the thing

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Speaker 15: is too that if you can be more precise in opposition,

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Speaker 15: your arguments have that much more weight, They're that much

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Speaker 15: more effective, right, And so like if this had been true,

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Speaker 15: for example, that would be really significant, that'd be a

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Speaker 15: great point. But the problem is now that she's kind

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Speaker 15: of undermined her own credibility at least for a bit.

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Speaker 15: So yeah, like you say, she's going to have to

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Speaker 15: be really really careful and precise the next time she

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Speaker 15: comes out.

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Speaker 2: And enjoyed it. Hey, guys, thank you very much, really appreciated.

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Speaker 2: It's Jack Dame Q and a host host of Saturday

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Speaker 2: Mornings here on ZB and Fillow Raleigh Iron Duke, Partner's

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Speaker 2: former boss of Business New Zealand's Talk in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: Next on your.

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your car

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Speaker 1: on your drive home.

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Speaker 6: Heather Duplice Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant

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Speaker 6: leap for Business News Talk zed B.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the guy who first was the first

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Speaker 2: one to call us a rockstar economy. He's Paul Bloxham.

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Speaker 2: He's regularly on the show of AGSBC, based in Sydney

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Speaker 2: most of the time, but he's actually in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: at the moment and he's going to be with us

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Speaker 2: in about half an hour in studio give us some

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Speaker 2: tips on how to be a rockstar economy again, and

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Speaker 2: I am looking forward to finding that out hither. Do

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Speaker 2: you really believe that councils will offset our rates now

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Speaker 2: that they are collecting more revenue and fines. I don't

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Speaker 2: think so, Greg. It depends where you live in the country.

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Speaker 2: If you live in Wellington, no, Tory's just gonna pocket

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Speaker 2: that cash. She's gonna find something to spend it on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it's gonna be. It's gonna be dumb.

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna be pipes. It's gonna be some probably

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Speaker 2: like a garden on top of a I don't know,

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Speaker 2: on top of a bus stop or some stupid thing

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Speaker 2: like that. But if you live in Auckland, yes, Wayne

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Speaker 2: Brown is going to do that because Wayne Brown's credibility

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Speaker 2: relies on keeping rates low. That's his thing, that's his

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Speaker 2: burg big thing, and so he will strive to keep rateslow,

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Speaker 2: which is why Actually, yeah, I don't mind Wayne Brown.

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Speaker 2: Actually don't mind Wayne Brown at all, because that's what

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Speaker 2: I care about rates. Now, what did I tell you

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Speaker 2: yesterday about Ean New Zealand. I said to you in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's not gonna be happy with the fact that

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Speaker 2: the government is now forcing to them to report their

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Speaker 2: on time performance to the government. And sure enough, they're

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Speaker 2: not happy about it, and I got some messages about it. Now,

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Speaker 2: what they're not happy with me about is the fact

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Speaker 2: that I told you that they are being forced to

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Speaker 2: report to the government how late or early their planes are,

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Speaker 2: which is actually what's happening. But they are upset about

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Speaker 2: that because they say they already voluntarily report it. It's

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Speaker 2: on their website, and yes, it is on their website,

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Speaker 2: but there's always a butt here, isn't there. It's on

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Speaker 2: their website, and it's on Jetstar's website. But at the

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Speaker 2: moment you cannot compare what Air New Zealand has on

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Speaker 2: their website on their performance for their planes, their on

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Speaker 2: time performance with what jet Stars putting on there. Because

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Speaker 2: Air New Zealand measures how late it is by whether

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Speaker 2: it arrives more than fifteen minutes after they were supposed to.

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Speaker 2: Jetstar measures how late it is by whether it departs

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Speaker 2: more than fifteen minutes after they're supposed to. That's not

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Speaker 2: the same thing. There's apples and apple. There's apples and oranges,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. So what the government's going to do is

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Speaker 2: force them to use exactly the same metric and give

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Speaker 2: it to them every single month. And then MB's gonna

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Speaker 2: put it together, and MB's gonna put it out every

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Speaker 2: single month, and we're going to be able to open

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Speaker 2: that little document up and go jet Star one at

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Speaker 2: this month or a New Zealand one at this month.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I like that because I reckon

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Speaker 2: it's going to put a rocket up in news. I

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Speaker 2: don't care what Jetstar's doing. I don't fly them, but

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Speaker 2: I fly in New Zealand because I love them and

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Speaker 2: I want them to fly better. I don't want them

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Speaker 2: to be this late. Greek four And the CEO is

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Speaker 2: going to be with us next and we're going to

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Speaker 2: ask them about this. And also, yeah, the profit's not

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Speaker 2: good as a news dogs abrew.

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Speaker 6: Igboun me if we're business and inside the business hour

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Speaker 6: we're head the dup to c Ellen and my Hr

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Speaker 6: on news dogsb.

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Speaker 1: Evening.

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Speaker 2: Coming up for the next hour. The man who called

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Speaker 2: us the rock star economy on how to get back

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 2: to being a rock star economy, Dicky on what a

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01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 2: humanoid is and why everyone's talking about humanoids? And then

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Speaker 2: Endebrady is with us out of the UK. It's coming

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Speaker 2: up eight past six. Tough times for Air New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Net profit after tax was down sixty five percent on

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Speaker 2: last year to just under one hundred and fifty million dollars,

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Speaker 2: and earnings before tax came in at less than half

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Speaker 2: what it was the previous year. Greed for is Air

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's chief executive, Hey, Greg Hi there, why are

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Speaker 2: you guys doing so much worse than quantas.

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 8: It's all relative to what you're dealing with at the time.

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Speaker 8: Is then easy answer to that?

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Speaker 2: What are you dealing with it? They're not dealing with well, they.

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Speaker 8: Don't have the same engines on their planes that we do.

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Speaker 8: And interestingly, at the moment, if you have a very

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Speaker 8: new fleet, it's actually a bit of a disadvantage. So

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Speaker 8: the older planes we've got, we're not having to take

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Speaker 8: engines off and get them all serviced, but the newer

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Speaker 8: ones we did engine issu You start well initially with

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Speaker 8: the Trent, you go back to about twenty seventeen, but

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Speaker 8: the decision to put the Trent Rolls Royce was made

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Speaker 8: in two thousand and four. We put it on the

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Speaker 8: first of the Dreamliners.

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Speaker 2: This in the last Financially as well, it's got worse

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Speaker 2: because they had a better year than you last year

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Speaker 2: as well. It feels like it's developing into a pass.

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Speaker 18: Well.

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Speaker 8: The other thing that's happened, Heather, is that it's not

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Speaker 8: just a trend engine. We're now dealing with six Pratt

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Speaker 8: and Whitneys which go on our very good air bus fleet.

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Speaker 8: So right today we've actually got ten planes or a

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Speaker 8: billion dollars worth of capital that we're trying to get engines.

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Speaker 2: I can tell me the whole thing is pinned on

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Speaker 2: the engines.

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Speaker 8: No, the other things that we deal with it are

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Speaker 8: a bit different. You know, the economy in Australia is

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Speaker 8: a bit different than New Zealand at the moment. So

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Speaker 8: that's the second thing so we're seeing, for example, government

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Speaker 8: spends minus twenty eight percent, No surprises on that. And

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Speaker 8: then the third thing that's a bit different is that

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Speaker 8: we've got about a fifty two percent increase in capacity

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Speaker 8: from usc Allians flying in here. So when you add

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Speaker 8: all of those things up. To be honest, it's worth

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Speaker 8: probably a couple one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Break out of this. Can you actually beat this stuff

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Speaker 2: for sure?

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Speaker 8: And the reason the reason I say that is that

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Speaker 8: the fleet stuff does come right. Yeah, you know, the

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Speaker 8: supply chain gets all and the economy will cover everyone

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Speaker 8: gets right. The economy comes right, so that will run it.

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Speaker 2: You deal with your competitive stuff, the fact that you

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Speaker 2: have got this competition issue now.

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Speaker 8: The same way you deal with any competitor. You ensure

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01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 8: that what you're delivering for your customers and your staff

1512
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 8: is superior. So, you know, give us a couple of months,

1513
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 8: we'll have a retrofit completed. We should have nine completed

1514
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 8: next year, and then we've got a product on our

1515
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 8: Dreamliners which you combine with the Air New Zealand service.

1516
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 8: I'll stack that up against anyone, Yeah, you know, anyone

1517
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 8: from Australia, anyone from the US and I'll tell you

1518
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 8: we'll deliver a fantastic experience for our customers.

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01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the customer experience, right, which is what

1520
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 2: you say would be your competitive advantage. The trouble I

1521
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 2: see it at the moment is that the ticket price

1522
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 2: is are driving customers away, aren't they. I mean, you

1523
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: see Jetstar doing really well in the last financial year,

1524
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 2: which has got to be a straight switch from more

1525
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 2: expensive airlines to them. So and you'll it's going to

1526
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: go up again, aren't they.

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01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 19: Yeah.

1528
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 8: Of course, what you're seeing is you're seeing combined results.

1529
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 8: You're not seeing jets necessarily separated out between the two areas.

1530
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 8: What I'll tell you about New Zealand.

1531
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 2: Sas earnings have gone up twenty three percent combined.

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01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 8: That's combined Australia.

1533
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I see what you mean, Ossie and using

1534
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: So let's let's.

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 8: Talk about the market that were operating, because we don't

1536
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 8: operate domestically. Actually, our prices are down, so I know

1537
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 8: a lot of people on last year, Oh.

1538
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 2: How did that happen?

1539
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 8: Because what we're seeing is no, what you're seeing is

1540
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 8: actually a softer market domestically. All the reasons that we

1541
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 8: just spoke about yeah, So you know, I was looking

1542
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 8: at the numbers for July. So July this year July

1543
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 8: last year, we're down three to four four domestically on

1544
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,879
Speaker 8: both turboprops and jets. Same thing actually across the Tasman

1545
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 8: and same thing on international. So pricing actually has come down,

1546
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 8: and that's one of the reasons that we're seeing, you know,

1547
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 8: a weaker profit result.

1548
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 2: Do you do you interspate having to put the prices

1549
01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 2: up again.

1550
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 8: Look, so much of that is dependent on demand. So

1551
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 8: you know, if the American airlines don't come back next

1552
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 8: year at the same level they are now, and you've

1553
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 8: just heard me say they're they're up fifty two percent

1554
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 8: on where they were previously. That's a lot of extra seats,

1555
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 8: then generally what happens is you'll start to see some

1556
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 8: movement in pricing. At the moment, traffic between China and

1557
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 8: the US is still only operating at twenty five percent

1558
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 8: pre COVID, so there's some spare planes around. So you know,

1559
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 8: pricing moves around a bit. It's always hard to pick

1560
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 8: where it's going. But look, I'm pretty comfortable with where

1561
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,799
Speaker 8: we're sitting at the moment. There is a good reason

1562
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 8: a good set of reasons as to why our numbers

1563
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 8: are what they are and other airlines aren't. Not all

1564
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 8: airlines are operating the same planes, not all of them

1565
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 8: are operating in the same economy, not all of them

1566
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,520
Speaker 8: are dealing with competition.

1567
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 2: And three recessions in two years. On the other thing

1568
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 2: about customer experience, are you as excited as I am

1569
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: about being forced to report your on time before mormans

1570
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:00,799
Speaker 2: to the government.

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01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:01,560
Speaker 8: We already do.

1572
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: You reported on your website.

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01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and he's not really parable.

1574
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 2: With jet stuff, so I'm into the comparison. But are

1575
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 2: you excited about this totally?

1576
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 8: And by the ways, a rocket And by the way, well,

1577
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 8: actually it won't because I already see because I already

1578
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 8: see the numbers, Heather, So I know exactly what the numbers.

1579
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 2: You've got to do better, though you can't tell me

1580
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 2: you're not going to do better.

1581
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 8: We always do better, Heather, and that is exactly what

1582
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 8: we do. We actually improved on time performance last year.

1583
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 2: You might have done, but you still have a situation

1584
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: where as many as one in five of your flights

1585
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: are running later than fifteen minutes. That's unacceptable.

1586
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 8: That's why we're working hard to improve it, but it's

1587
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,799
Speaker 8: ahead of our actual competitor. So I see those numbers,

1588
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 8: I'm not concerned if they're public. As I said, they

1589
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 8: already are, and I welcome that. And here's the other

1590
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 8: thing that we do. We are incredibly diligent around safety,

1591
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 8: so I won't compromise on time performance ever for safety.

1592
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 8: And one of the things that I have to acknowledge

1593
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 8: is a fantastic job that our people do dealing with

1594
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 8: these fleet issues. Heather has us doing it twice. Many

1595
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 8: will let me finish it.

1596
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 2: You're doing a diversion tactic because I want to talk

1597
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: about that time performance because here's the problem, Greg, is

1598
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: that it feels a little bit like you guys take

1599
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 2: us for granted because we're so loyal to you that

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01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: if you're an hour late, we just have to put

1601
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 2: up with it. Well, is that what's going on.

1602
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 8: I'm going to finish, and then I'm going to deal

1603
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 8: with that.

1604
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 2: Can you finish?

1605
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 14: And then.

1606
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 8: One of the things our engineers are having to do,

1607
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 8: and they're doing a fantastic job in an engineering and mating,

1608
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 8: so they're having to do twice as many engine changes

1609
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 8: at the moment, so they're working really hard to keep

1610
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 8: this fleet going. When you got tenty your best plane

1611
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 8: sitting on the ground, you can't fly on time. Performance

1612
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 8: is as important to us as it is to a customer,

1613
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 8: because if you think about it, this whole thing is

1614
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 8: a network and a schedule. Yes, the same reason that

1615
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 8: I hate cancelations, I really do because you end up

1616
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 8: with the plane and the crew and the wrong places.

1617
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 8: So it doesn't suit us to not operate like a

1618
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 8: Swiss watch. Now, we'll always do it with safety, and

1619
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 8: I can tell you it is a key priority. We

1620
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 8: just don't talk about it. We've got lots of tools

1621
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 8: out now out there now that we're doing to help

1622
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 8: improve the performance. And it has improved.

1623
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 2: And do you think that when you are doing a

1624
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: straight comparison with Jetstar to MB who's going to publish

1625
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 2: this stuff, that you will win every single time.

1626
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 8: I can tell you that over the last twelve months.

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 8: I think we have run one eight times in the

1628
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 8: last twelve months.

1629
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 2: Okay, and you'll see that I see the time. Yeah, okay.

1630
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 2: Are you are you of the view which which grant

1631
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: from Tourism Holdings holds, which is that if the government

1632
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 2: puts up the charges of the visas, we are going

1633
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 2: to actually repel some tourists.

1634
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 8: I'm of the view that and I've learned this over

1635
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 8: many years as a retailer that generally the higher the prices,

1636
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 8: the less demand there is. Fore you rightime, So.

1637
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 2: Are you worried about that?

1638
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 8: I am, and I would say it's concerning, and it's

1639
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 8: it's not just you know Visas and we've seen what's

1640
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,839
Speaker 8: happened there. There's discussions around the IVL. We've seen CIA

1641
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 8: come out in the last few days and say, hey,

1642
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,560
Speaker 8: we haven't moved prices since twenty sixteen, so you know,

1643
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 8: we need to move on this, and we need to

1644
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 8: move on that. And we've spoken previously about airport costs

1645
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 8: and countering and all those things. The reality is individually

1646
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 8: each can be justified. Collectively, you could be talking three

1647
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 8: to four hundred dollars more for someone internationally if they've

1648
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 8: got to get a vent and all the other family

1649
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 8: right to come in. Yeah, what's that going to do.

1650
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 8: It's going to suppress demand.

1651
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: Okay, not smart, Not a smart idea.

1652
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 8: I think you've got to be really cautious. And I

1653
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 8: don't think it's as simple as saying we're going to

1654
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 8: do nothing. But I think you have to look at

1655
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 8: the system as a whole and you need to say collectively,

1656
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 8: this is going to cause X amount of drop off

1657
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 8: in demand or Y amount of drop off in demand,

1658
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 8: and then try and thread that needle. My concern at

1659
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 8: the moment is that if you're doing it in a

1660
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 8: piecemeal fashion, each individual component can be justified, but the

1661
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 8: whole is not going to be palatable. So I am

1662
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 8: concerned about that.

1663
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 2: Okay, me too. One other thing, do you think that

1664
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: we should limit the number of drinks at the airports

1665
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 2: to two?

1666
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 8: I can tell you that we in Air New Zealand

1667
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 8: do a pretty good job of controlling what people are drinking.

1668
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: But what if they jump in the plane, in the

1669
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 2: in the.

1670
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 8: Carou club, Well, our staff deal with that and they

1671
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 8: and they deal without appropriate And I saw the I

1672
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 8: saw the article from is he going a bit far

1673
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 8: and making it? He's trying to make a point And

1674
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 8: I've met him and and good on him for doing it.

1675
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 8: And Michael O'Leary runs a fantastic business.

1676
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 2: With a different class of passenger, isn't he?

1677
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1678
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 8: And can I tell you what we see, for example,

1679
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 8: on a flight to Balley is a bit different than

1680
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 8: what you might get on a flight to lay. So

1681
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 8: our team deal with it and you know, if it's

1682
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 8: an issue, we'll sit down and have look at it.

1683
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 8: I don't think we need to do it right now.

1684
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Greg, thank you very much, really appreciate A

1685
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 2: Greek Forum Chief executive ATY in New Zealand. Coming up

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01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: eighteen past six.

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01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,759
Speaker 6: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupic

1688
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 6: Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the

1689
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 6: HR platform for SME on NEWSTALKSB.

1690
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 2: It's twenty past six.

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01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 10: Now.

1692
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: The man who coined the term rockstar economy has got

1693
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 2: some tips on how we can become a rockstar economy again.

1694
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: He's HSBC Chief Economist Paul Blocksham over here from Sydney. Paul, Hello,

1695
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 2: it's nice to see you. It's great to be in

1696
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: the studio. I'm really interested in your take on this.

1697
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 6: Now.

1698
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't reckon we become a rock star economy again

1699
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: if we just keep doing the same thing.

1700
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 11: What do you think, Well, there's a couple of reasons

1701
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 11: why I agree with you. I mean, the first one

1702
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 11: is that the world is a different place.

1703
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 2: It's changed.

1704
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 11: You know, when we described the new Zealand economy as

1705
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,799
Speaker 11: a rock star back in twenty fourteen, the environment was different,

1706
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 11: and so a couple of things have changed, and the

1707
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 11: geopolitical environment has changed. But the other thing that's changed,

1708
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 11: of course, is there's a much much bigger focus globally

1709
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 11: on climate policy there ought to be. So no, you

1710
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 11: can't keep doing the same thing. You have to move on,

1711
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 11: you have to adjust. And so then the question is

1712
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 11: what brought you do to try to strive to be

1713
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 11: that rockstar economy again. Well, one thing that's helpful is

1714
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 11: that it looks as though the central bank has broken

1715
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 11: the back of inflation. Inflation is coming down, and of

1716
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 11: course we saw the RBNZ cut rates just a couple

1717
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 11: of weeks ago, so you're now down that pathway of

1718
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 11: getting a bit more support. But it's also this means

1719
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 11: that this is now the right time to start focusing

1720
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 11: on what it is you need to do to start

1721
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 11: growing in a broad based sense, So looking at the

1722
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 11: growth engines that New Zealand's got.

1723
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 2: So the last time we did it was twenty fourteen,

1724
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: and we did it because we basically had this market

1725
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 2: open up to US China and they just bought more

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Speaker 2: and more and more of our stuff. Do we get

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Speaker 2: back to the same place by still selling stuff just

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Speaker 2: selling it to someone else, or do we actually try

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Speaker 2: to get more sophisticated. Well, you're right.

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Speaker 11: So one of the things that happened is obviously the

1731
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 11: market opened up to you. You sold more dairy and

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Speaker 11: meat products into that. You've got more tourists coming through.

1733
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 11: There was a booming tourist in street at the time.

1734
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 11: You've done a lot of the sorts of things, the

1735
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Speaker 11: backwork with the free trade agreement and a lot of

1736
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 11: things that made the economy more competitive to support those things.

1737
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 11: So now you have to look at what the growth

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01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 11: engines are going forward. It still seems to me, at

1739
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 11: least that the growth engines are going to be about

1740
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 11: selling agricultural products. That's the biggest part of what you do.

1741
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 11: It's going to be meat, dairy, it's going to be aquaculture,

1742
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 11: it's going to be fruit and vegetables.

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Speaker 2: So that leaves us so exposed with climate change, doesn't it?

1744
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Speaker 11: It does, But this is the primary thing that this

1745
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 11: makes up the bulk of New Zealand's exports at this

1746
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 11: point in time. This is a lot of where you're

1747
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 11: comparative advantage lies. But the key is obviously to make

1748
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 11: those industries as competitive as possible. And as you're right,

1749
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 11: you're not going to be aiming at just any one

1750
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 11: trading partner. You've got a broad base set of trading

1751
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 11: partners to target. What you I think we need to

1752
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 11: keep in mind is you know China is one of

1753
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 11: those It still is, of course it is. But of

1754
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 11: course the rest of Asia is also growing fast too.

1755
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 11: Now we can look to India which is rising. We

1756
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 11: can look at Indonesia which is growing quickly. We can

1757
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 11: look at the asy and countries in general and as

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01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 11: they develop and they've got large populations too, what sorts

1759
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 11: of things are they going to want to buy? And

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01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 11: so that's one element.

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Speaker 14: I think.

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Speaker 11: The other element is reviving the tourism industry more. I

1763
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 11: mean it's picked up a lot since of course the

1764
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 11: border's reopened and we've got past COVID and so on,

1765
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 11: but there's a lot more that can be done in

1766
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 11: that space too. The key is to get the economy

1767
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 11: to be as competitive as possible. Yes, to lift productivity

1768
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 11: and make it as competitive.

1769
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 2: Why are we so bad at this?

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Speaker 11: Well, we need to do You need to do reforms

1771
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 11: that are going to make that productivity left. Well, one

1772
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 11: thing you need to do is focus on infrastructure. That's

1773
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 11: a part of what you know, we we and you

1774
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 11: know I can talk about New Zealand, but Australia has

1775
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 11: had a similar situation. We've underinvested in infrastructure for such

1776
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 11: a long period of time that we've got a large

1777
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 11: you know, under it, a sort of need for building

1778
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 11: even more over time. So that's that's one thing we

1779
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 11: can do. We need to be very sort of clear

1780
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 11: that we're still attractive to foreign capital. That's that's I think,

1781
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 11: you know, the growth opportunities for Australia and for New

1782
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 11: Zealand open economies that are medium size in Australia small

1783
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 11: a small economy. They come from the world. You've got

1784
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 11: to keep focusing on growing the economy through selling things

1785
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 11: into the global system. So so things that attract foreign capital.

1786
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 11: We've got to get the settings right in terms of

1787
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 11: climate policy so that it balances finds the right balance

1788
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 11: between attracting capital, growing the economy and also achieving the

1789
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Speaker 11: climate goals. These are all not easy things to do,

1790
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 11: by the way. I mean, they're not.

1791
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Speaker 5: They're not.

1792
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 11: That's why if they were easy they'd be done already,

1793
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 11: but they're they're the source of things you need to

1794
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 11: You need to focus on growing the pie so that

1795
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 11: then you can allocate the pie more it spread it

1796
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 11: across the population more.

1797
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Speaker 2: Paul, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so

1798
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: much for coming and I hope you enjoy your dinner

1799
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: out in Auckland this evening. I will do thank you,

1800
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 2: give you a good time. That is Paul Bloxham, ah

1801
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: Species chief economist out of Sydney, well out of Auckland.

1802
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,520
Speaker 2: Normally in Sydney six to twenty five, everything.

1803
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 6: From SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour with

1804
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 6: Heather Duplicy Ellen and my HR, the HR platform for SME.

1805
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: US talks, they'd be I'm not going to lie.

1806
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: I have no idea what a humanoid is. But Sam

1807
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 2: Dickey tells me that there's been an increasing amount of

1808
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 2: chatter in the market aboutoids. So he's going to start

1809
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: from a low base. He's going to have to explain

1810
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 2: to us what it is when he's with us. Shortly's

1811
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: with us after half past six?

1812
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 6: How good is this?

1813
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: By the way, six twenty seven police have arrested and

1814
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: get a load of this every single member of the

1815
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 2: common Chiro's Gang christ Church chapter, every single one of them.

1816
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 2: I think there's twelve of them. They all gone. They

1817
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: had a big drug bus. They got five cag's of

1818
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 2: Class a's, eleven firearms ammunition, two hundred and fifty thousand

1819
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 2: dollars in cash or thereabouts, eleven vehicles and Auckland property.

1820
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 2: They've been investigating this thing for months. So what they

1821
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 2: say that they what they allege has been going on

1822
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 2: is that these guys have been have been running drugs

1823
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 2: from Auckland, Auckland to christ Church by the sounds of

1824
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 2: things like four cage's every fortnight, so at one point

1825
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 2: four million dollars at a time. And they did watching

1826
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 2: it for eight months. Swooped yesterday rounded up eighteen of them,

1827
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 2: twelve in christ Church, six in Auckland. And so I

1828
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: don't know if you're into the drugs and christ Church.

1829
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 2: It's going to be a dry patch for a while,

1830
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 2: isn't it? Because we saw of these guys out Heather,

1831
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 2: how are you mage speak of Air New Zealand. Literally

1832
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 2: just had a call from our daughter Lily. The flight

1833
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: from Auckland UNI tom Dunedin UNI to Auckland has been

1834
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 2: delayed an hour tonight. She's not leaving until ten past

1835
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 2: ten and she paid three hundred and fifty dollars each way. Girl,

1836
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Speaker 2: Debbie's not happy about that. I can understand that. Hither,

1837
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 2: you've got to admit it. Greg's pretty good at handling media.

1838
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 4: He actually is.

1839
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: I'll give him that. And just I'd like him to

1840
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 2: be quite good at handling on time performance, just saying

1841
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 2: headline's next.

1842
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,560
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1843
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 6: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

1844
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 6: the HR platform for sme US talks, that'd be.

1845
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 4: You.

1846
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 2: The memes are out ready for Karmala Harris and and

1847
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 2: Tim Waltz for the first interview, because I don't know

1848
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 2: if you're aware of, but Carmela can't do the interview

1849
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 2: without taking Timmy along with her, and the memes suggest

1850
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: that he is her emotional support person. Well, I mean,

1851
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: here's the thing, right, she's going to cop it for that,

1852
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: and people aren't going to think well of her for that.

1853
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 2: But if it helps her win the election, that's the

1854
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: calculation they're making. If it helps her win the election

1855
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: by having somebody that the people actually like sitting there,

1856
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: which is him, by the way, him not her. Then

1857
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 2: you know it's worth it and de Brady is going

1858
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 2: to be us out of the UK shortly. Yellowstone fans,

1859
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 2: here's a thing for you. We all speaking to myself here.

1860
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 2: We all thought that the season that's about to drop

1861
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: in November was the last. This is the second half

1862
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 2: of the fifth season, because I've gone and over complicated

1863
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 2: things by splitting it in two. So the second half

1864
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 2: of the fifth season comes out of November, and we

1865
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: thought this is it. You're going to have to fill

1866
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: your boots because you're not going to get anymore. But

1867
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 2: apparently no, they are in negotiations now for season six.

1868
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 2: Still sorry to say no, No Kevin Costner, no, John Dutton,

1869
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 2: still not happening. But apparently the leads would be Beth

1870
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 2: and Rip and I mean that's pretty cool. Twenty two

1871
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 2: away from seven here.

1872
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Speaker 1: The Dupleice Ellen right.

1873
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 2: Well, there's been an increasing amount of chatter in the

1874
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 2: market about humanoids, and absolutely I can hear you asking

1875
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 2: what on earth are humanoids because I've been asking about

1876
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: that's the very same question myself and Sam Dicky from

1877
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 2: Fisher Funds fortunately does know. Hey Sam, Everyone then what

1878
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: is a humanoid?

1879
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,799
Speaker 20: Yes, very jets and I don't know if you remember

1880
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 20: that program, but think of the human looking robots on

1881
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 20: that So the robot looks similar to where human has

1882
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 20: human characteristics, for example, the ability to walk upright to

1883
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 20: grasp things with its fingers, and the humanoid is designed

1884
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,839
Speaker 20: to kind of copy human actions and even human reasoning.

1885
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 2: Why do we need these things.

1886
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 20: As well? I guess what's the background here? The first

1887
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 20: real worldlots are invented in the nineteen fifties and they

1888
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 20: were more mechanical than intelligent and money for repetitive tasks

1889
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 20: and factories. And over the last seventy years these things

1890
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 20: have evolved pretty quickly, and just give you a factory

1891
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 20: where we're up to now. Now you might have heard

1892
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 20: of their humanoid SOPHIEA and twenty seventeen, a very very

1893
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 20: human looking humanoid that was granted citizenship by Saudi Arabia

1894
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 20: in twenty seventeen. Oh, no bit of a publicity stunt point,

1895
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 20: as though robots have come a very very long way,

1896
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 20: and most for most of the last seven years, they

1897
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 20: learn very gradually, but in the generative AI world, they

1898
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 20: can now learn by understanding every day language, copying what

1899
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 20: they see and looing curves and performance accuracy has staying

1900
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 20: to jump or path form of accuracy started to jump

1901
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 20: faster than ever before. So pretty exciting times. And the

1902
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 20: reason they take a human shape because because most of

1903
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,759
Speaker 20: the four million robots and operations today don't look anything

1904
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 20: like you or I is because the world is created

1905
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 20: for humans. So if they could button levers controllers designed

1906
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 20: to be operated by humans, so human dexterity and human

1907
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 20: hands and fingers are required to operate efficiently in this

1908
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 20: world of ours.

1909
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 2: Right, So what if the robot is in the shape

1910
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: of a human, therefore they will be able to use

1911
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 2: the world as well as that the.

1912
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 20: Thinking, that's the thinking yet right?

1913
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 2: Okay, why all of a sudden have they popped up

1914
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 2: as being something that we're interested in?

1915
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 20: Yeah, while we talking about them right now. As always

1916
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 20: with these things, it's the confluence of several things coming

1917
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 20: together at once. So for humanoids, the first thing is

1918
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 20: improvements in the parts that make the move called actuators,

1919
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 20: which turn energy into movement. They've made leaps and bounds,

1920
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 20: improvements in the gears that help them move smoothly, not clinkily.

1921
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,879
Speaker 20: That's come a long way. Improvements and prosthetics or artificial

1922
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 20: limbs have come a long way, And of course the

1923
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 20: huge leaps in compute power that you and I have

1924
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 20: talked a lot about have created a platform for more

1925
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 20: explosive growth. So that's the first thing. The second thing

1926
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 20: is the competition to build these things is ramping up

1927
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 20: through so a lot more companies are putting a lot

1928
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 20: more money into it. So he's like Toyota Hands and Robotics,

1929
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,879
Speaker 20: Boss Dynamics are in the race, but of course Tesla's

1930
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 20: in there as well, and Elon Musk thinks there will

1931
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 20: be one billion of these things by twenty Wow.

1932
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Speaker 2: Okay, if we do have that many, even if we

1933
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 2: don't have that many, what impact are they going to

1934
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 2: have on society and economies and labor?

1935
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 14: Quite about? I think.

1936
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Speaker 20: So there's only four million operation today, but they're kind

1937
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 20: of mechanic alarms operating operating in factories. But the thing

1938
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 20: is the need for humanoids is becoming more acute. So

1939
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Speaker 20: the working age population and just China and the OECD

1940
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Speaker 20: or the Western world for example, is shrinking. So it's

1941
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 20: around one point eight billion today and by twenty fifty

1942
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Speaker 20: that will be three hundred million people smaller, and not

1943
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Speaker 20: only will it shrink, but the remaining one point five

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Speaker 20: billion people were much older. So we do need these things.

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Speaker 20: And of course it's unsettling to think about these things

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Speaker 20: taking over so many jobs, but the reality is the

1947
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Speaker 20: shift is going to take decades, not years, and it's

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Speaker 20: better to be prepared and better informed rather than hoping

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Speaker 20: it doesn't happen again.

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Speaker 2: So is it a case of investors just kind of

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Speaker 2: getting ahead of it before it actually takes off completely.

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Speaker 20: Well, I mean maybe not so much, because it's very

1953
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 20: bleeding edge. It's a very early stage investment thematic, so

1954
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 20: it should be treated with caution. However, it's one to

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Speaker 20: definitely keep on the radar and keep an eye out for.

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Speaker 20: So over the next year or so, there's a few

1957
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Speaker 20: big things that are going to happen. So we're going

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Speaker 20: to have the unvoting of tess Optimus generation three humanoid,

1959
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,560
Speaker 20: which will operate more outside of the factory, even in

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Speaker 20: the home, and more details on Figure AI is humanoid

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Speaker 20: Figure two, which has just been released, but it is

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Speaker 20: early days. These things cost. These things cost fifty two,

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Speaker 20: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars that are a long

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Speaker 20: way away from commercial scale, but I think it's a

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Speaker 20: kind of bleeding edge thematic to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how fascinating, Sam, Thank you very much, really appreciate

1967
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Speaker 2: that that Sam Dickey Fisher funds humanoids. Who knew? Do

1968
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Speaker 2: you know hither that they actually put on an additional

1969
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Speaker 2: drinks trolley on the air New Zealand flights to Balley

1970
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Speaker 2: just to keep up with the consumption. Do you know what, Glenn?

1971
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Speaker 2: I would one hundred percent would believe that. But also

1972
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Speaker 2: what I mean, look, let's be honest about it. If

1973
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Speaker 2: you're going away on holiday, you probably are already sort

1974
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Speaker 2: of like you're relaxing. You don't need to do any work.

1975
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Speaker 2: You can afford to have another drink or you know,

1976
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Speaker 2: and another. But what is it about Bali? What is

1977
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Speaker 2: it about Bali that makes people just lose their minds

1978
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Speaker 2: and have to drink that much? I don't really know

1979
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Speaker 2: what it is, but I wonder if it's the type

1980
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Speaker 2: of person who goes to Bali. And that doesn't say

1981
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Speaker 2: very much for me because I've been there seventeen away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 6: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 6: Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 6: HR platform for SME on us Talks MB.

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Speaker 2: Quarter two UK correspondent In de Brady's for the A Hinda.

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Speaker 18: Hey, Heather, good to speaking again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well this crackdown on smoking, is this going to

1989
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Speaker 2: go down well?

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Speaker 18: So Nigel Frage says it will be the end of pubs.

1991
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Speaker 18: I think a lot of people wish it would be

1992
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Speaker 18: the end of him. He just keeps chipping in and

1993
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Speaker 18: criticizing absolutely everything Starmar's trying to do. Here, we are

1994
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Speaker 18: in a situation now where eighty thousand people a year

1995
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 18: are dying because of smoking and the related cancer is

1996
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 18: caused by it. Starmer's made it clear that this is

1997
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Speaker 18: the end of outdoor smoking. So for areas he's looking

1998
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 18: at targeting sports ground, beer gardens, and even people smoking

1999
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Speaker 18: outside hospitals, which I always find utterly bizarre. If you

2000
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 18: ever go to visit anyone in hospital, there will be

2001
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Speaker 18: twenty thirty people outside happily puffing away, all wondering how

2002
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 18: they've ended up in hospital in the state they're in.

2003
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,520
Speaker 18: So Starmer is basically clamping down on it. The legislation

2004
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 18: is in the pipeline. It is absolutely coming there's a

2005
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 18: leaked document that several tabloids have on their front pages today.

2006
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Speaker 18: How will it go down?

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm a non smoker.

2008
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Speaker 18: I'm passionately anti smoking. I grew up with my grandfather.

2009
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Speaker 18: He smoked every day of his life, and I was

2010
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 18: with him in the morgue when it all ended. And

2011
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 18: that is something as a child that has stayed with

2012
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Speaker 18: me my entire life. So I say, the quicker the better.

2013
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Speaker 2: The trouble with it is. And I don't like smoking

2014
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 2: as much as you, and I think those people heaven

2015
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 2: fags outside the hospital are ridiculous as well. But it's

2016
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Speaker 2: not gonna stop them, is it. It's just going to

2017
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 2: drive them further down the road. I mean, it doesn't

2018
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 2: actually stop the problem, it just moves it on.

2019
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Speaker 18: I think the initial drive behind this heather is to

2020
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 18: stop secondhand smoke, so that if people are out for

2021
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 18: a nice lunchtime drink at a weekend in a beer

2022
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 18: garden and there's someone happily puffing away beside you, Or

2023
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 18: if you go to a sports stadium to watch whether

2024
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 18: it's rugby, cricket or soccer here, you know you don't

2025
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 18: want to be sitting beside someone who's blowing smoke in

2026
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 18: your face. And I think at some stage they're going

2027
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 18: to have to do something about vaping as well, because

2028
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 18: it's getting to epidemic levels in London now. Literally the

2029
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 18: fragrance du joure on the streets of London is strawberry cheesecake.

2030
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Speaker 18: You walk along and you see all these young fellas

2031
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 18: with beards happily puffing away on these vapes, and clouds

2032
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 18: of this stuff coming out behind them. We don't even

2033
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 18: know what's in it.

2034
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, very good point. Hey, what do you make

2035
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:57,879
Speaker 2: of this treaty with Germany.

2036
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 18: I think it's excellent news and I think long term,

2037
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 18: this is Britain going back into Europe. Now they won't

2038
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,560
Speaker 18: say it, They won't in any way discuss rejoining the

2039
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 18: European Union right now, but Starmer is sharp enough to

2040
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:15,759
Speaker 18: realize that Brexit has done untold damage to Britain's economy,

2041
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,640
Speaker 18: reputation and the movement of young people. So this was

2042
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 18: the fifth time he's met the German Chancellor in fifty

2043
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,879
Speaker 18: one days of being Prime Minister. Five meetings in fifty

2044
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 18: one days with another European leader. So he clearly gets

2045
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 18: on with Olaf Schultz of Germany he feels that there's

2046
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 18: a relationship to be built. He's already getting on very

2047
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 18: well with Macron of France. And I think, you know,

2048
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 18: in terms of freedom of movement, yes, a lot of

2049
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 18: young Germans will want to come to the UK. They

2050
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 18: will want to study, live, work and learn here in

2051
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 18: the same way that that opportunity is currently being denied

2052
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 18: from young British people on the continent. So on the

2053
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 18: face of it, it's very good news, but I think

2054
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 18: it's the first step in a very long journey towards

2055
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:00,799
Speaker 18: getting Britain back into the europe seen.

2056
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 2: Right, So the critics who see this as a move

2057
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 2: towards basically going and dooing brixit, are they right?

2058
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 5: Do you think?

2059
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 18: I think within a decade Brexit will be completely undone.

2060
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 18: And a decade is too long to wait. We're eight

2061
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 18: years into this project now. There are no benefits. I mean,

2062
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 18: it's ridiculous. The Conservatives actually had a Minister for Brexit Opportunities,

2063
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 18: and anyone sitting down with a piece of paper after

2064
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 18: five minutes would have had a blank piece of paper

2065
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 18: in front of them because there were no opportunities. There

2066
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 18: were never going to be any opportunities it was all

2067
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 18: driven by xenophobia and jingoistic drum beating, but by brexitier Brits,

2068
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 18: and it has cost this country eight hundred million, sorry

2069
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 18: billion pounds. I struggle saying it. Eight hundred billion pounds

2070
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 18: gone in eight years in the economy. I mean, it

2071
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 18: is insane.

2072
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 2: You're going to get your Oasis tickets this week in

2073
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 2: going to try try you want to go, You're going

2074
01:34:59,560 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 2: to want to go.

2075
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 18: My wife wants to go to the Wembley Ones and

2076
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 18: I'm gonna so basically we're going to double up our

2077
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 18: chances of getting a ticket. So she's going to log

2078
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 18: in and try get Wembley tickets. I'm going to log

2079
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 18: in and try get Dublin tickets and if that fails,

2080
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,560
Speaker 18: I'm going to be tapping up everyone I know in

2081
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 18: the music industry in Ireland as a kind of please help.

2082
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 2: Me shamelessly and as you should be. This is a

2083
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 2: great opportunity and to go, well, I hope you get

2084
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 2: those tickets this week and we'll talk to you next Tuesday.

2085
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 2: Into Brady are UK correspondent. I've got my legend of

2086
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 2: the week, maybe legend of the day. Yeah, maybe we'll

2087
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 2: do that a legend of the day. We'll talk about

2088
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 2: her next ten to seven.

2089
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

2090
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 6: It's all on a Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen

2091
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 6: and my HR, the HR platform for sme US.

2092
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 2: TALKSIP seven away from seven. Okay, I know I shouldn't

2093
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,640
Speaker 2: like this, but I do like this. A woman in

2094
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 2: Hokitika is refusing to pay her rates, and for that reason,

2095
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 2: Liz Whiteside, aged seventy one, is my legend of the day.

2096
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 2: She's a pinch sh She's not going to pay her

2097
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 2: rates to the West Coast Regional Council anymore, hasn't for

2098
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,640
Speaker 2: three years, stopped doing it when they went up by

2099
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 2: thirty percent. Thirty percent? Do you blame her? No, she

2100
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 2: does pay some rates. She pays her rates to the

2101
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 2: Gray District Council. They've gone up eighteen percent. She pays

2102
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 2: to the Gray District Council because she says she's actually

2103
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 2: getting services from them, like water and sewage. But she

2104
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: reckons she gets nothing from the Regional Council, so why

2105
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 2: would she give them her money. That council says, well,

2106
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 2: actually it does do some stuff. It builds things like

2107
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 2: flood walls. She counters and says, well, the flood wall

2108
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 2: along the Hokitika River is unnecessary. She's lived there for

2109
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,040
Speaker 2: forty four years at her property. The highest she's ever

2110
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 2: seen the river in flood was the water entering the

2111
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 2: gravel Pit's never come over the top. It would have

2112
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 2: to rise four meters to endanger the surrounding homes. She

2113
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 2: also doesn't have the money to pay these rates because

2114
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 2: on top of the thirty percent three years ago, they

2115
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:51,719
Speaker 2: just went up again this year about twenty seven percent.

2116
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 2: She's on the pension, she gets five hundred bucks a week.

2117
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 2: She is not shirkus. She's worked hard all her life

2118
01:36:57,479 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 2: despite a permanent disability. Doesn't want to throw money away,

2119
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,719
Speaker 2: and if she's not getting a service, then she doesn't

2120
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 2: want to throw money at that. She has written to

2121
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 2: all seven council members giving them a bollocking, saying you

2122
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:12,839
Speaker 2: should all be ashamed of yourselves, etc. Etc. She reckons

2123
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 2: the Council's responded by sending her to debt collection, and

2124
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 2: she is getting the envelopes, but she's not opening them,

2125
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 2: so she didn't know what's going on in there. But

2126
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 2: she reckons that what they are after is about twelve

2127
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 2: hundred bucks, which is money she doesn't have and can't pay. Now,

2128
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 2: apparently what the council needs the money for, and this

2129
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 2: is where you start to go, hang on a tick,

2130
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 2: do you actually need this regional council? What the money?

2131
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 2: What the council needs the money for is staff. They

2132
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 2: are apparently all on one hundred thousand plus. And then

2133
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 2: they need to be writing themselves a new Tetti or

2134
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 2: pourteny district plan, which apparently has cost them many many

2135
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 2: millions of dollars, which they've been forced to do by

2136
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 2: the local Government Commission. So they need to raise the

2137
01:37:56,240 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 2: rates for bureaucracy. So Liz goes, nah, not going to

2138
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 2: pay for that, not going to pay for your stupid

2139
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 2: river works and your flood wall and all that kind

2140
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 2: of stuff. And actually, while obviously I pay my rates

2141
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: because I can't be bothered with the hassle, I applaud

2142
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 2: Liz for taking this particular principled stance. And I just

2143
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 2: wonder if we may be getting to the point where

2144
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 2: we need to actually really have a good hard think

2145
01:38:20,479 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 2: about whether we do need to have multiple councils overseeing you, Like,

2146
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 2: do you really need your city council then your regional

2147
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 2: council over the top. Do you really need to have

2148
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 2: your your Thames Corrimandal Council and then your Whykata regional

2149
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 2: council over the top properly not, Hey, let's get rid

2150
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Speaker 2: of some of these absolute money wasters. Go Liz, well done, ants.

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Speaker 19: Lucky by Halsey to play us out tonight. Halsey has

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Speaker 19: announced that she will be releasing a new album, a

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Speaker 19: confessional concept album. She's calling it called The Great Impersonator.

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Speaker 19: And other single Lucky that she put out a wee

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Speaker 19: while Ago will be on it. There was a bit

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Speaker 19: of drama over the song because if you listen to it,

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Speaker 19: the chorus is exactly lead the same to the song

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Speaker 19: called Lucky that Britney Spears released, like stop it, yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 19: it's the same one, Like it's clearly a Britney reference,

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Speaker 19: and she references Britney Spears all over the music video,

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Speaker 19: and so Britney Spears initially put a video out being like, yeah,

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Speaker 19: it's a bit weird, and then took it back and said,

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Speaker 19: oh no, actually it's fine for her to do it.

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Speaker 19: And apparently she checked with Brittany ahead of time and

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Speaker 19: all of that. But yeah, maybe maybe a few of

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Speaker 19: the other songs on the album that Helsy will have

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Speaker 19: come out with herself. I don't know, is this the chorus? No,

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Speaker 19: I think we're probably gonna again sing the Britney chorus

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Speaker 19: to me. She's so lucky, she's a star, and she cries, cries,

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Speaker 19: cries in her lonely heart.

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Speaker 10: Nah.

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Speaker 2: No, okay, Halsey's in my ear. That's the problem. All right, Well,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have to do a comparison tonight.

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Speaker 5: But here we go, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that's a good ripoff. But like it's

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Speaker 2: an artistic ripoff, isn't it. So it's okay, thanks for

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Speaker 2: that answer. It's fascinating and shore if you see tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: Cry here.

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Speaker 2: You heard.

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