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Speaker 1: Barry so persis senior political correspondent. Hey Barry, A good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Run Now, Andrew Bailey like interesting character, sort of odd character.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, personally I like Andrey Bailey. I've always

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Speaker 2: found him. He's slightly gregarious, slightly awkward. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: accident prone. Clearly he shot his brother once on the

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Speaker 2: leg when they were lads climbing over a fence, so

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Speaker 2: he had a loaded gun. But look, he's he does

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Speaker 2: get into all sorts of trouble, doesn't he. And he

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Speaker 2: did recently at a winery, said he didn't have anything

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Speaker 2: to drink. And now he got into an argument and

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Speaker 2: animated discussion with one of his staff members, said that

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Speaker 2: he touched the shoulder. I'm not sure what it was,

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Speaker 2: male or female, but shoulder.

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Speaker 1: But if they say there and them, you must assume

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Speaker 1: it's a female, no, because otherwise I'd.

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Speaker 2: Say he or the or they or whatever. I mean,

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Speaker 2: who knows in this binary world. Run you know, but look,

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Speaker 2: it was a contrite Andrew Billie, I must say, who

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Speaker 2: talked to the media today and was upfrunted about what

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Speaker 2: happened in his office last Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: We had an animated discussion and The point is that

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Speaker 3: at one point I put my hand on their upper arm,

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Speaker 3: and I've reflected on it and I've made a decision.

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Speaker 3: I've held myself to account, a personal account.

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Speaker 1: This is my decision.

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Speaker 3: I think that it's important sometimes you reflect about your

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Speaker 3: own activities, and that's why I've made the personal decision.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I would have had difficulty doing this

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Speaker 3: interview over the last couple of days. I've had to

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Speaker 3: talk my family and that's why I've made the decision,

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Speaker 3: and that's why we're announcing it today.

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Speaker 4: See.

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Speaker 2: So he was obviously very upset about what had happened

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Speaker 2: and what a transpot pared and it's probably maybe is

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Speaker 2: more upset about the Prime Minister's reaction and accepting his

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Speaker 2: resignation straight away.

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Speaker 1: Wow that's right, yeah, yeah, O A bit odd bit

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Speaker 1: over side show over. I suppose the slow boat from

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Speaker 1: China off the coast of Tasmania now buried.

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Speaker 2: Well it is, it's between now Tasmania and New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: These warships are and of course we now know on

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Speaker 2: Friday's airlines had to divert flights because they were firing

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Speaker 2: guns from the boats. And you know the fact is

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Speaker 2: that you would think that the Chinese would have the

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Speaker 2: common decency to let New Zealand know if flights are

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Speaker 2: going to be disrupted by their boats in the Tasman Sea.

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Speaker 2: Then you know, you would think it would be incumbent

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Speaker 2: on them to just give a bit of a heads up.

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Speaker 2: Apparently they gave a few hours notice, but that's not

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Speaker 2: enough when you've got aviation on that part of the world.

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Speaker 2: The former airline boss of course, Chris Luxon, he says

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Speaker 2: it would have been nice to have had some advanced notice,

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Speaker 2: certainly for the year travel which has now been redirected

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Speaker 2: because of the Chinese exercises.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing illegal here in terms of are compliant with

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Speaker 4: international law. It's the same law that we rely upon

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Speaker 4: as we move around the world. But the issue for

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Speaker 4: us is we just think, you know, we'd appreciate a

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Speaker 4: little bit more advanced notice, particularly on what is a

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Speaker 4: busy air route, one of the busiest in the world,

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Speaker 4: that we've actually got a bit more time to respond

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Speaker 4: to that. Having said that, our civil aviation authorities are

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Speaker 4: well used to this. They are in a normal practice

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Speaker 4: in the aviation and maritime world. They have been coordinating

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Speaker 4: well across the Tasman and importantly, at no point have

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Speaker 4: New Zealand or Australian asset has been in any danger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there you go.

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Speaker 1: Well, I wonder whether the Chinese actually thought that no

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Speaker 1: one was looking when they find, you know, Chris, it's.

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Speaker 2: In one of their biggest warships.

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Speaker 1: But I mean it's entirely possible they thought, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's navies at the bottom of the ocean. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to know what's going on, and the Australians

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Speaker 1: probably aren't looking, so let's just have a little fun

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Speaker 1: with them, you know, with the guns and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: And before they know it's it's diplomatic incidents.

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Speaker 2: It's quite extraordinary, really, isn't it. Now?

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Speaker 1: The gang crackdown. Barry, the government, it's quite happy with

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Speaker 1: how it's going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well have these seventy six patches. And I heard

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Speaker 2: you talking earlier Ryan that in fact, people aren't seeing

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Speaker 2: patches around the place. And I've got to say I've

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Speaker 2: locked out, have looked out deliberately when you see people

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Speaker 2: who are obviously gang members riding their monkey bar bikes

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Speaker 2: and you know, I haven't seen any patches. So certainly

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Speaker 2: it's having some sort of impact the political heavyweights, the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, the Minister of Police, the Minister of Justice.

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Speaker 2: They've been meeting today with the Gang Disruption Unit, which

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Speaker 2: is quite a pointed unit. The point that Luxon made

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Speaker 2: was that Tony has done in the past. There are

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Speaker 2: nine eight hundred gang members in New Zealand. Now they

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Speaker 2: make up one quarter of one percent of the population,

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Speaker 2: but commit a fifth of the serious crimes and murders

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Speaker 2: and a quarter of the firearms offenses. So our relatively

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Speaker 2: new Police Commissioner, Richard Ombers, he was there today saying

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Speaker 2: his troops are coping well with the new laws cracking

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Speaker 2: down on gangs.

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Speaker 5: The feedback from my staff in relation to this new

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Speaker 5: legislation is that they are empowered and pleased to be

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Speaker 5: able to address criminal offending in front of them. That

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Speaker 5: relates to the wearing of gang insignia. And perhaps the

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Speaker 5: most satisfying reflection is that feedback we are getting from

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Speaker 5: the public who are telling us that they feel a

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Speaker 5: lot safer, They feel a lot freer from the intimidation

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Speaker 5: that has been experienced in the past when it comes

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Speaker 5: to gangs, and.

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Speaker 2: You have to say, you know, it's good it certainly

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Speaker 2: is gang numbers. I mean they have grown, was a

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Speaker 2: point that was made to the police commissioner. They've grown

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Speaker 2: over the past here, but then they've identified new gangs,

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Speaker 2: so it gives the number maybe of pulse impression.

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Speaker 1: There's always been problems with that list to Himn't.

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Speaker 2: There Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting a lot of our listeners that they've

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Speaker 1: been testing in to say, I've definitely noticed there are

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Speaker 1: a few gang members out there, less insignia and stuff,

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Speaker 1: but we've noticed this is somebody in particularly in Napier

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Speaker 1: and another in Autata that they're wearing white t shirts

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Speaker 1: and have got the tattoos out. So they're all but

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Speaker 1: which is something, isn't it. I mean that's progress. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: most certain is because it's changing a behavior and.

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Speaker 2: They're sitting up and taking some notice. At least.

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Speaker 1: Barry Soper's senior political correspondent. You're on News Talks, there'd

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Speaker 1: be Richard Chambers, who is the police boss, is with

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Speaker 1: us after five point thirty.

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