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Speaker 1: Very Soper, senior political correspondence with US how Barring good afternoon, Heather,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of that opinion poll?

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Speaker 2: Well, what have made of all the opinion polls of late?

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Speaker 2: Actually they're not that dissimilar. That not looking too good

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Speaker 2: for National this one they won't be very happy with it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the Prime Minister has been criticized for

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Speaker 2: not commenting on opinion polls. I think he's wise not to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he says, why should he be talking about himself?

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Speaker 3: He should be.

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Speaker 2: Talking about things that are a bit more important, and

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Speaker 2: that's the economy. And I think he's quite right.

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Speaker 1: There no point talking about the economy. You need to

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Speaker 1: do something.

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Speaker 3: Well, you could say that, Heather. I'm sure you will

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Speaker 3: be saying that as well.

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Speaker 2: But this Curier poll is interesting. It sees are hung parliament,

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Speaker 2: sixty one.

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Speaker 3: Seats for each block.

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Speaker 2: But there's a TV and ZED pole coming out at

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Speaker 2: six o'clock as well. And my bit is, and I'll

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Speaker 2: bet you a good bottle of wine that the TV

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Speaker 2: and ZED Pole will be more sympathetic to the National

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Speaker 2: Party and we'll see are seen to write government quite company.

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Speaker 1: That it's still quite tight.

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Speaker 3: Back it'll be tight.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if you want Chloe Swarbrick as the

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Speaker 2: finance minister in the next government, I think the public

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Speaker 2: should reflect on that because she says it won't be

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Speaker 2: a Labor lead government anyway, it'll be a Greens lead

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Speaker 2: government and that's from their conference at the weekend. Ye.

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Speaker 3: So you know, if you want a benefit for life,

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Speaker 3: then vote the no Labor block.

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Speaker 1: I take your point right. It's not as if the

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Speaker 1: other side are shining lights, right, They're still the same

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Speaker 1: crew who put us in the show with the economy.

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Speaker 1: But do you not think that national and the reputation's

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Speaker 1: attached to what's going on here? Lux and Willis at

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Speaker 1: l shouldn't Do you not think that they should be

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Speaker 1: worried about what's going on in the polling because people

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Speaker 1: clearly aren't very stoked with what they're doing. O.

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Speaker 2: No, of course people aren't that stoked, because when you've

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Speaker 2: got an economy like we had in two thousand. At

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Speaker 2: the end of two thousand and three, it takes more

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Speaker 2: than ten minutes to turn that economy around.

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Speaker 1: What have they done?

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Speaker 3: I've had eighteen months?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know there's a number of things such as well, oh,

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Speaker 2: for goodness, sake, you know, we've got more to talk about.

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Speaker 1: I'm challenging because I'm challenging everybody who's fanboys to tell

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Speaker 1: me what that done.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a fanboy of anybody. What I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: is if you look at opinion polls through the ages,

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Speaker 2: and if you look nineteen eighty seven, for example, the

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Speaker 2: opinion polls have got to say then, though, were much

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Speaker 2: better for the Longing led Labor government, even though the

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Speaker 2: public suffered greatly during the eighty four to eighty seven period,

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Speaker 2: and they simply went to the eighty seven election after

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Speaker 2: the Snap's election in nineteen eighty four saying let us

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Speaker 2: finish the business now. The public then were of a mind,

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Speaker 2: even though they were hurting greatly as much as they

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Speaker 2: are now at the moment, they voted Labor back in.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure that you will see next year this

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Speaker 2: government will be voted back because I think things will

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Speaker 2: be looking better.

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Speaker 1: She start cutting it last year. They are cutting it fine.

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Speaker 1: But can I just to your comparison there, So what

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Speaker 1: you're saying is nineteen eighty four to eighty seven, like now,

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Speaker 1: very hard time economically, that government doing a lot getting

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Speaker 1: r warded in the polls. This government not getting rewarded

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Speaker 1: in the polls, maybe for not doing a lot. So

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Speaker 1: is it possible actually that even if voters are hurting,

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Speaker 1: they will still support you if they can see you're

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Speaker 1: doing something that's well true that and I think that's

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Speaker 1: the problem.

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Speaker 3: The difficult Yes, no, that is true.

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Speaker 2: But the difficulty here is they haven't got a lot

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Speaker 2: to play with in terms of money. Even though they

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Speaker 2: are borrowing quite heavily. They can't you know, they can't

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Speaker 2: willy nilly borrow like.

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Speaker 3: Three years before that.

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Speaker 1: They shouldn't be spending. That's the problem. They should be

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Speaker 1: cutting anyway, Listen, we need to move on. What do

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Speaker 1: you think of this business or the state of Palestine.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're not having a barb each way

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Speaker 2: where if you listen to Winston Peters. We're considering it

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Speaker 2: very carefully. But he's always said that the final recognition

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Speaker 2: will come. It's only a matter of if not when

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Speaker 2: or when not if that it will come. But there

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Speaker 2: are a few preconditions on that and that's what the

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Speaker 2: Cabinet will be considering before Winston Peters, interestingly, is going

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Speaker 2: to deliver the Leader's Address at the UN General Assembly

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Speaker 2: in September and we'll outline our position in detail then.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: At his post cabinet news conference today, Chris Luckson said

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Speaker 2: there are conditions on the recognition of Palestine as a state.

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Speaker 4: Though we're not going to recognize the state that has

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Speaker 4: Harmas in it. There is no role for Harmas in

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Speaker 4: any future Palestinian state. And you know, I think you've

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Speaker 4: seen that from a number of the leaders that have

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Speaker 4: changed their positions on recognition or accelerated their positions on recognition.

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Speaker 4: So for us, you know, that's an absolute non starter.

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Speaker 4: Our view very clearly is Hamas started this, you know,

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Speaker 4: October seventh with twelve hundred Jewish folk. Are innocent civilians killed,

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Speaker 4: hostages that have been held over a long period of time.

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Speaker 4: They need to release the hostages. Is as simple as that.

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Speaker 3: And we're not alone in that.

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Speaker 2: Of course, a number of countries that will say, will

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Speaker 2: have said they're going to recognize Palestine, but that'll be

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Speaker 2: one of the preconditions, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Just really quickly, do you reckon the Greens that are

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Speaker 1: in trouble in Wellington with this redefinition of the boundaries here?

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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, if you look at Wellington Central, which is

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Speaker 2: Tamoth the pool's electorate. That's really it's going to be

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Speaker 2: called Wellington North. So Central is going to go and

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Speaker 2: they are going to Wellington North. Is going to take

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Speaker 2: in areas where she would have a big difficulty in

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Speaker 2: winning the electorate, Kendala, wades Down and Nio, the more

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Speaker 2: wealthy areas. Wrong Atie also extends to Brooklyn and Mount Cork,

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Speaker 2: which is interesting. And that's don't forget juliaan Genter. Both

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Speaker 2: these women tamotha Paul and Julia and Genter. They're more

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Speaker 2: upset though, that about the name of the elect wrong

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Speaker 2: Ata is going to go, and Juliane says, no, we

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Speaker 2: weren't like wrong attire. It means the sound of the sea. Well,

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Speaker 2: it might be the sounds of the Greens heading out

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Speaker 2: the door at Parliament to the next.

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Speaker 1: J see Tamoth Paul's launched a petition.

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Speaker 3: I had to change the name, keep the.

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Speaker 1: Names, but only the Marty names. Doesn't care about anything else.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Barry, appreciate it, Barry so Pacing

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