1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Right now, we'll go to Paul Blocks from HSBC Chief Economists, 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: because there are no rush the Aussies to move on 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: the ocr there the Reserve Bank of Australia deciding today 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: to hold steady at three point eighty five. Paul good evening, 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: good a. 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: So no rush, no rush at all. 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 3: In fact, quite a surprise for the market because the 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 3: market was quite convinced that the RBA was going to 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 3: cut its policy rate today and it decided instead that 10 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: it's got a bit of time. And in particular it's 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: you know, noting that you know, they want to wait 12 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 3: and see what the next CPI, the quarterly CPI reading 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 3: looks like before they potentially deliver another cut. So they 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 3: were prepared to wait today and sit still and wait 15 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: for that all important information we get in a few 16 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 3: weeks time. 17 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: Is that front and well it must be frustrating for 18 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: people who thought they might be getting a little more 19 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: off their mortgage. 20 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: Well that's right. 21 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: If interest rates don't come down, it makes it a 22 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: bit tougher for people who've got mortgages. But I think 23 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 3: the main thing the Governor was pointing out in the 24 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 3: press conference and in the statement was that although inflation's 25 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: coming down in Australia. Yeah, corp inflation has only just 26 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 3: had one print where we've gotten into the target band. 27 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: So the last print was at two point nine percent. 28 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: They target two to three and so they want to 29 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: be really convinced that inflation's going to get to the 30 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 3: midpoint of that target band and they just haven't got 31 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: quite enough evidence to get them over the line for 32 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 3: delivering another cut as yet. 33 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 2: But she also pointed out that a lot of this. 34 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 3: Was timing rather than direction, and those were the words 35 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: the Governor used. That they still think they'll be delivering 36 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: more rate cuts, they just think that it's not quite 37 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: time yet to deliver the next one. 38 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: And the fact that the board voted six to three 39 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: in favor of the whole what does that tell you 40 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: about the next one. 41 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: It was quite interesting because the Reserve Bank has never 42 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: published board votes before. Obviously, we've got a new Monetary 43 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: Policy Committee here in Australia and this is a new 44 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: procedure that they will publish unattributed votes from the board. 45 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: So it tells you that there was a healthy debate 46 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: about the possibility of cutting and that obviously three of 47 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: the board members thought that they should cut and six 48 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: said they should hold. So it's, you know again sort 49 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: of this idea that it's really about timing rather than direction, 50 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 3: and it wasn't obviously unanimous story for the board members. 51 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, what is Michelle Bollock? Every time I see her perform, 52 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: she seems in charge, calm, measured thought. For what's the 53 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: impression of in the eyes of the Australian public. 54 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: Well, this is a new strategy from the RBA, if 55 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: you think about to give a press conferences. This is 56 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: a new thing that's been adopted by the RBA just 57 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: in recent times. 58 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: And so I think. 59 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 3: The Australian public, you know, is getting still getting used 60 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: to and markets are still getting used to what this 61 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: how this all works. The press conference is really designed 62 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: to speak about what happened that day and why they 63 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 3: decided what they've decided, and to speak to the Australian 64 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: people about about why that decision has been made. I 65 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: think the main thing is market participants are trying to 66 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: work out how much of it's a communication for them 67 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: versus a communication for the general public, and there can 68 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: be nuances that are different for those two groups. 69 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Our Finance Minister over here on the out of the Testament. 70 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: Paul's been talking about text potentially texting Aussie banks a 71 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: bit more. Is that making any ways or news in 72 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: your area. 73 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything in Australia that much much about that. 74 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: We've got an RB and Z meeting tomorrow, obviously, so 75 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 3: this is you know, we've got a big central bank 76 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: week for the Antipodeans, and like the RBA, we expect 77 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: the RBNZ is likely to be on hold tomorrow as well. 78 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 79 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: No, everyone's sort of in a cratch hold position, aren't they. 80 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: I mean, and the Fed doesn't want to go anywhere 81 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: because they're worried that inflation will take off again with 82 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: the tariffs and all that sort of stuff. 83 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: That's right, So the Fed is on hold at the moment, 84 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: and I guess they're watching all of the trade policy 85 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: developments and they're happening day by day at the moment. 86 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: So that's one of the features keeping the Fed on hold. 87 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: I think for RB and ZED that the story is 88 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: that there have been a lot of interest rate cuts 89 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: already delivered. 90 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: I think it's starting to lift growth in New Zealand. 91 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: And the other feature is that inflation started to pick 92 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: up a little bit recently, and I think that's likely 93 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: to keep the rb inst on hold tomorrow. 94 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you might be right, Paul. Thank 95 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: you for that. Paul Block. Some HSBC chief economists with 96 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: us from Australia. For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, 97 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 98 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.