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Speaker 2: Hell you, Great New Zealands. Welcome to Matta Tyler Full

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Speaker 2: Show Podcast number two seventy for the twentieth of January,

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Speaker 2: in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty sex. We

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Speaker 2: didn't get to a topic. This is the main thing

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Speaker 2: that we do here, you know, welcoming, giving a little

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Speaker 2: bit spoke intro to our special podcast listeners. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for tuning in. But this is a chance to give

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Speaker 2: you a warning that we'll say at the start what

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about it we don't get to it.

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Speaker 2: And the topic we didn't get.

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Speaker 3: To chimney sweeps chimney, So I know a lot of

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Speaker 3: people are looking forward to that.

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Speaker 2: Were we ever going to get to chimney sweeps.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we were going to get to

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Speaker 3: chimney sweep.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a little bit of an Industrial Revolution topic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the little cheese cut a hat.

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Speaker 2: All right, governor, All right, governor, I'll just get done

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Speaker 2: your chimney with my cheese cutter and my little shorts.

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Speaker 2: I've got the black plug. That was that? What you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to talk about. All right,

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Speaker 3: some good chat about we gov as well. You don't

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Speaker 2: Can give them a taste of Kiwi. All right then,

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Speaker 2: all right, love you big stories, the big issues, the

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Speaker 2: big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You're welcome into Tuesday show. So good

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Speaker 3: to have your company as always. Hope you're doing pretty

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Speaker 3: well if you're listening in this beautiful country of ours.

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Speaker 2: Matts, get a Tyler gid averyone. I've got a very

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Speaker 2: very interesting show planned for you over the next three hours.

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Speaker 3: We certainly do. It's a big one after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: This is a great story out of the UK. The

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Speaker 3: age old profession of chimney sweeping is seen in a

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Speaker 3: renewed demands. More people are turning into wood burners and fireplaces,

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Speaker 3: partly because of energy costs they've risen, making alternative heating

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Speaker 3: more attractive. But these modern chimney sweeps now use advanced

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Speaker 3: tools and takeology such as specialized brushes and speeching cameras

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Speaker 3: and safer equipment, which makes the work more efficient and

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Speaker 3: less like the traditional image of the soot covered workers.

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Speaker 3: But you love the story.

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with having a little kid and a cheese

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Speaker 2: cutter going? All right, Governor? Up the bloody chimney like

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Speaker 2: in the old days.

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Speaker 3: They look like they are having a good time. I

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Speaker 3: think they got paid, all right, didn't they?

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Speaker 2: A little kid in the little suit?

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Speaker 3: Everyone involved?

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Speaker 2: Was it?

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Speaker 3: Dick Van Dyke was a chimney sweep? And Mary Poppins

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Speaker 2: Chim chim chimney chim chim chim choo.

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Speaker 3: Is that chiminee chim jiminnee chim chim charoo?

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Speaker 2: All right, okay, that's what That's what shut it down,

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Speaker 2: that song. But we're gonna have a chat about that.

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Speaker 2: After three o'clock chimney sweeps? Is that something that's pretty

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Speaker 2: common in New Zealand? After two o'clock? Rewards programs? Are

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Speaker 2: they a complete waste of time? I'm off them, I'm out.

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Speaker 2: I'm out of rewards programs. I don't want anything more

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Speaker 2: to do with them. They are an absolute punished You

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Speaker 2: I downloaded on my phone. And then you go to

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Speaker 2: Then you pass all your information over to you, and

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Speaker 2: they're constantly punishing about rewards. I'm out. It's just a

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Speaker 2: phishing exercise to get your details so they can punish you.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's doing it. I mean, I'd like to say I'm

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Speaker 3: but I like a deal more. And I still get

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Speaker 3: go to the same place. We spend a buckload of

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Speaker 3: can I say no to that?

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Speaker 2: And they make ten bucks. They're not giving you anything,

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Speaker 2: They're they're mining you for information, and they just will

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Speaker 2: I don't want your stupid little card. I don't want

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in one in New Zealander points.

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Speaker 2: Because I've got my in New Zealand app that i

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Speaker 2: that thing, I go blip and it's easy for me

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Speaker 2: to understand. There's no admin, no, no admin. You get

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Speaker 2: your points, you can use them for flights, easy to access. Well,

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Speaker 2: the ones that are automatically on your credit card, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: But I don't want your little deal, your little card,

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Speaker 2: extra free coffee. I'm out. It's too much, edmind. It

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Speaker 2: makes going into kick Cass just a admin heavy operation

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Speaker 2: years from now off whatever. I'm feeling stress for you, mate,

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Speaker 2: fifty eight emails, I'm not into it. It's got to

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Speaker 2: be a good chat to you on the Matt Heath BAMWAGONNA,

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Speaker 2: you're done with rewards programs.

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Speaker 3: That's after two a cloth. But right now, let's have

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Speaker 3: a chat about this. So fire Mark is seeking advice

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Speaker 3: on where the weight loss medication should be publicly funded.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand has the third highest adult obesity rate in

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Speaker 3: the OEI. One of the drugs they're looking at is

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Speaker 3: we govy. This has become increasingly popular. You've probably seeing

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good. So it's not four hundred and sixty. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's four fifty nine to ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: It looks like a value proposition with that ninety nine cents,

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Speaker 3: But that's what you've got to pay if you want

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Speaker 3: we govy because it's not publicly funded. But some experts

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Speaker 3: fund some of these drugs.

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Speaker 2: Is that the right message to be sending to people though,

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Speaker 2: even if it saves money, Because isn't your own health

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Speaker 2: That is always the counter argument that if there's any

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Speaker 3: I mean, arguably there are no shortcuts. But should we

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Speaker 3: people who don't make those same choices. But I actually

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Speaker 3: think we should fund these things. And I say, you've

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Speaker 3: B city, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But it's just a bunch of plasters. So you say

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Speaker 2: that one particulars is that so you're just going to

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Speaker 2: solve absolutely every single health issue by paying for it,

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Speaker 2: because you know there's a B city that's one thing.

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Speaker 2: You could look at a number of other ones and go, well,

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Speaker 2: we're going to pay for that. Shouldn't the message be

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Speaker 2: that you're in partnership with the health system, but it's

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Speaker 2: your job to turn up as healthy as you can

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Speaker 2: possibly be to the health system and it'll help you

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Speaker 2: in case of emergency. But the idea that the health

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Speaker 2: and solve your problem in advance. That doesn't seem like

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Speaker 2: the deal. The deal to me is you try and

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Speaker 2: be as healthy as you possibly can, and the other

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah? Or what if we flip it around that

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Speaker 3: you make sensible choices, you eat good food. Should there

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Speaker 3: get your WEE health points and you get discounts. Just

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Speaker 3: tap it into a reward for a.

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Speaker 2: Rewards program for healthy people and you're done with that.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like the horror show that's happening in China

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Speaker 2: now with the social credit points, where you know, if

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Speaker 3: to heavily subsidize that medicine for people who need it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean New Zealand has the third highest adult

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Speaker 2: and education is an important thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but can I just throw the seat you're matt

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Speaker 3: that for the people out there? Clearly you've got the

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Speaker 3: So what do you do for the people who just

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the most obese countries in the OECD. United States, Mexico,

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Speaker 2: the lowest. And that's the really interesting thing because when

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Speaker 2: But we used to laugh at the United States. There's

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Speaker 2: In fact, the Mexicans are about to take over the

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Speaker 2: Americans as the fattest, But New Zealand we're coming up,

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Speaker 2: coming up, right close behind.

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Speaker 3: That's not a competition. We want to win. No, what

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Speaker 3: Two ninety two is the text? Back thy shortly? It's

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: News talks thereb it is seventeen past one. So we're

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Speaker 2: Interesting story, Well, we should lean into a bit later.

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Speaker 2: On the New York Times, they were talking today about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which beats the question is this is a good thing?

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Speaker 2: Should they be? You know?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Hi, guys, listen, this is not a lifestyle choice

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Speaker 3: Way you live.

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Speaker 6: There are some people who are just born that way.

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Speaker 6: And you know, and based on the and based on

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Speaker 2: What logic? What logic putting what logic will we putting forward?

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Speaker 6: Kelly, that you to just work on making lifestyle choices

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Speaker 6: And you know, I think that, I mean probably twenty

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Speaker 6: Is the answer to not provide people who essentially are

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Speaker 3: What would be the cutoff for you, Kelly? So you know,

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Speaker 2: Are you worried, though, Kelly, that we're getting to this

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Speaker 6: I think we got there fifty years ago.

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Speaker 8: I mean, ship is sales.

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Speaker 3: But you can see the flip side of the pharmaceutical

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Speaker 6: Well, again, I think that you're you know, you're over

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Speaker 6: We're not talking about folks that have to lose twenty,

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Speaker 6: You know, it just seems like at this point, if

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Speaker 2: But I think we'd all agree that they're over prescribing

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Speaker 6: Kelly, Well, first off, I think that having having been

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Speaker 8: The opposite direction.

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Speaker 6: And there there is no there is no.

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Speaker 8: There's nothing that he.

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Speaker 6: But you know the you know, I don't think that

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for be call Kelly. Do

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Speaker 2: or paid for completely?

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Speaker 3: Come on through interesting points from Kelly. It is twenty

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 10: Thank profits an interest rate, so am Zenda hiked the

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Speaker 2: Do others follow?

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Speaker 11: No, because all pan zeb was doing was suggusting to

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Speaker 2: That's not Agoppoli, that's a scandal.

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Speaker 10: That's into the Minister of Finance to fix the competition problem.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, it's not a scandal.

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Speaker 11: It's just the way the banking system in Ourla Gopolis

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Speaker 11: where you had the Azza on your show last year,

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Speaker 10: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 10: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB it is half.

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Speaker 3: Pass one plenty of teach coming through. On nine two

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Speaker 2: Susie says personal responsibility. Just be healthy, get off your ass,

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Speaker 2: stop eating crap. Those drugs make you a customer for life.

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Speaker 2: You can't come off them or you put the weight

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Speaker 2: box and see it. Only a complete fool would take them.

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Speaker 2: There aren't poor people in this country either, show me

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Speaker 2: a skinny person. Low people have plenty of money, They

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Speaker 2: If they get six serves them right. If they had

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Speaker 2: what they stuck in their gob you Susie, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Susie's definitely on the other end of the opinion spectrum

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Speaker 3: That's a big note of funding we gave you from Susie.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like everything, there's probably some kind of middle ground.

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Speaker 2: But Kelly was saying before that, should you just be

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Speaker 2: you can do. Absolutely, going for a walk and getting

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Speaker 2: into nature and getting out of the house is a

439
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Speaker 2: very very very good thing on the path down to

440
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Speaker 2: dealing with that and that. You know, people that don't

441
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Speaker 2: understand pressure go, yeah, why don't you go for the walk?

442
00:22:27,213 --> 00:22:30,493
Speaker 2: That actually going for that walk is very very very hard,

443
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Speaker 2: But for a depressed person achieving that is a great

444
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Speaker 2: thing to achieve. If you go, I am just going

445
00:22:38,253 --> 00:22:40,093
Speaker 2: to go for a walk, and I'm going to look

446
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Speaker 2: at trees and and that's I'm going to attempt that,

447
00:22:44,693 --> 00:22:46,453
Speaker 2: it is a very good thing. To do, and it

448
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Speaker 2: is a step in the right direction, part of the

449
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Speaker 2: pun and.

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Speaker 3: I think when you're looking at this, I think you're

451
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Speaker 3: banging on. There a a lot of people when facing

452
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Speaker 3: mental health challenges. There are lifestyle elements that can help,

453
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Speaker 3: but there are a smaller group that are at the

454
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Speaker 3: more extreme end that will will rely on and need medication.

455
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Speaker 3: But that's a smaller group the vast majority when they

456
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Speaker 3: face those mental health challenges. For most of us, we

457
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Speaker 3: can have those lifestyle changes that help. Same with obesity.

458
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Speaker 3: For the vast majority of New Zealanders out there right

459
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Speaker 3: now who are a bit on the fat side, there

460
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Speaker 3: are lifestyle changes that can help, but there will be

461
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Speaker 3: a small core group that will need medicine like this

462
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Speaker 3: or other interventions for our healthcare. And I've got no

463
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Speaker 3: problem for those people accessing that. But that's a small group,

464
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Speaker 3: got it.

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Speaker 2: I rent for a ten k run this morning? Do

466
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Speaker 2: I get a discount on my taxes afternoon? Guys? I

467
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Speaker 2: absolutely agree with Kelly. There are always many criteria applied

468
00:23:39,213 --> 00:23:41,293
Speaker 2: before you can even get these drugs. No issue with

469
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Speaker 2: it being subsidized as it could save lives and keep

470
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Speaker 2: people out of hospital with other serious obesity related illnesses.

471
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Speaker 2: It's a balance rights as long as those who need

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Speaker 2: it get it. That's from dead. Thank you for your text. Yah,

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Speaker 2: I'm just concerned that we're getting to a stage where

474
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Speaker 2: we go big farmer will provide a pill for that, yep,

475
00:24:00,493 --> 00:24:03,693
Speaker 2: and that'll solve the problem, but it doesn't ever solve

476
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Speaker 2: the intrinsic problem. Yeah, you know, the the underlying problem

477
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Speaker 2: in I mean, taking a pill is never the ideal solution, right,

478
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Speaker 2: and I think that will happen.

479
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Speaker 3: How many people will be out there saying, I've got

480
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Speaker 3: a wedding in six months, so I'm just going to

481
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Speaker 3: nip down to the doctor and get some we go

482
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Speaker 3: vy and that will help me out to get into

483
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Speaker 3: my dress in six months time or suit. I should say,

484
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to genderize this.

485
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Speaker 2: So your weddings and six months is it? Tyler?

486
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Speaker 12: Yeah?

487
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Speaker 2: How much as we gave you again is twenty six

488
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Speaker 2: to two headlines coming up and taking more of your

489
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Speaker 2: calls OZ one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: You've talk said, be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

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Speaker 13: It's no trouble with a blue bubble met services. Wild

492
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Speaker 13: weather across the Upper North Island predicted to continue until

493
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Speaker 13: early Thursday, has a moderate chance of upgrading to a

494
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Speaker 13: red warning level. Heavy rain watches and warnings cover Northland,

495
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Speaker 13: Auckland and Coramandel, and piles been cut in parts. The

496
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Speaker 13: bulk of outages is in Munga. Fane Fletcher Building expects

497
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Speaker 13: the sale of its construction armed to French multinational ung

498
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Speaker 13: Sea Construction to be finalized this year, pending regulatory approval.

499
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Speaker 13: The sale price sits around three hundred and thirty four

500
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Speaker 13: million dollars when some outstanding contracts are finalized. A key

501
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Speaker 13: we psychologist who's lived in the US for the past

502
00:25:23,813 --> 00:25:28,293
Speaker 13: decade has been charged with sharing child sex material after

503
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Speaker 13: an undercover sting. Fire restrictions and hawks may are easing

504
00:25:33,013 --> 00:25:37,053
Speaker 13: from a total prohibition to a restricted fire season. For

505
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Speaker 13: Ahuti Heratonga took he took eat West and East. It

506
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Speaker 13: allows controlled farm and forestry burns and recreational fires like bonfires,

507
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Speaker 13: all subject to permits. The process to find a new

508
00:25:50,013 --> 00:25:52,853
Speaker 13: All Blacks coach and why this time will be different.

509
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Speaker 13: You can see the full column at ensid Herald Premium.

510
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Speaker 13: Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Raylan. We're talking about the idea

512
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Speaker 3: of we GOVI, its weight loss drike. You may have

513
00:26:03,133 --> 00:26:05,813
Speaker 3: seen the adverts for it are being funded by us,

514
00:26:05,933 --> 00:26:07,573
Speaker 3: the tax payers. Is that a good idea or not?

515
00:26:08,413 --> 00:26:11,533
Speaker 2: When the argument for it is that it costs more

516
00:26:11,733 --> 00:26:14,813
Speaker 2: with the huge bill that we've got around dealing with

517
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Speaker 2: diabetes and the various problems that come from being overweight

518
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Speaker 2: later on in life. So the argument for it, it's

519
00:26:23,733 --> 00:26:27,373
Speaker 2: not really a compassionate arguments. Give people the pills so

520
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Speaker 2: we don't have to pay more for them later. Bang on, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: hi guys, My wife's on GOVI. She's into her third

522
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Speaker 2: month now on the one milligram. Oh, hang on a.

523
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Speaker 3: Minute, that we might have them on the phone.

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Speaker 2: I'll go to Ben. I'll go to Ben instead of

525
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Speaker 2: reading this text out Good ay Ben, how are you you.

526
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Speaker 5: Get a year no more? Watch just started on the

527
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Speaker 5: third month. It was a bit of a hit to

528
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Speaker 5: the pocket at the start, but our food bills actually

529
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Speaker 5: drop by one hundred bucks a week because she's no

530
00:26:57,773 --> 00:27:01,253
Speaker 5: longer doing the energy drinks for the crap food, so

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Speaker 5: an effect, it's almost paying for itself.

532
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Speaker 1: Wow.

533
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Speaker 5: And she obviously seen a massive change in her like

534
00:27:09,613 --> 00:27:10,893
Speaker 5: half the time she didn't want to go out to

535
00:27:10,973 --> 00:27:14,853
Speaker 5: the mall because she's worried about her weight. She's the press.

536
00:27:14,933 --> 00:27:18,533
Speaker 5: She was on the pressure medication, which started after childbirth.

537
00:27:20,813 --> 00:27:23,373
Speaker 5: We took her to the doctor. They recommended way you

538
00:27:24,533 --> 00:27:27,133
Speaker 5: did the first job. After the first two weeks, she

539
00:27:27,173 --> 00:27:30,453
Speaker 5: had lost two kilos and just seeing that on the

540
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Speaker 5: scales just completely changed her mindset and she goes, oh

541
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Speaker 5: my god, I can actually do this, and she's lost

542
00:27:36,853 --> 00:27:40,973
Speaker 5: fifteen kilos. Now she walks daily, she goes to the gym,

543
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Speaker 5: and it's just completely changed her lifestyle.

544
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Speaker 2: So you're paying for this yourselves though, you know, and

545
00:27:49,293 --> 00:27:52,893
Speaker 2: that's a whole different conversation than the government paying for it.

546
00:27:52,933 --> 00:27:55,773
Speaker 2: Would you would you think that the government should, you know,

547
00:27:55,893 --> 00:27:59,293
Speaker 2: the tax bail should should cover the bill for your wife.

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Speaker 5: No, like we like it's four hundred and fifty nine

549
00:28:06,573 --> 00:28:10,173
Speaker 5: dollars or a month's core, and then it's thirty bucks

550
00:28:10,213 --> 00:28:12,613
Speaker 5: for the doctor once a month. So you know, there's

551
00:28:12,613 --> 00:28:15,413
Speaker 5: not much change out of five hundred bucks because now

552
00:28:15,453 --> 00:28:18,173
Speaker 5: we're saving one hundred bucks a week on the grocery bill.

553
00:28:18,853 --> 00:28:21,853
Speaker 5: It's effectively it's only costing us about one hundred bucks

554
00:28:21,853 --> 00:28:25,173
Speaker 5: a month. So it's you know, it suppresses your appetite.

555
00:28:25,373 --> 00:28:28,093
Speaker 5: You do get about two weeks worth of side effects,

556
00:28:29,173 --> 00:28:34,413
Speaker 5: saw stomachs, headaches, using the toilet regularly as just but

557
00:28:34,573 --> 00:28:36,933
Speaker 5: that's going to happen, you know, if you're fast or

558
00:28:36,973 --> 00:28:40,973
Speaker 5: anything as well. So it's just you know, your body

559
00:28:41,373 --> 00:28:43,533
Speaker 5: coming to terms with I'm not getting as much food

560
00:28:43,653 --> 00:28:47,693
Speaker 5: and that and as much sugar anymore. But you can't

561
00:28:47,813 --> 00:28:50,133
Speaker 5: just take it and not do anything. You need to

562
00:28:50,213 --> 00:28:52,773
Speaker 5: take it, and you need to diet, and you need

563
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Speaker 5: to exercise.

564
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Speaker 2: And as there as the doctor giving the support on

565
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Speaker 2: that and the advice on that, and is there a

566
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Speaker 2: plan for transitioning off it and continuing life after it

567
00:29:06,693 --> 00:29:07,773
Speaker 2: and remaining healthy.

568
00:29:08,973 --> 00:29:12,293
Speaker 5: Yeah, so she's looking at six months on it, that's

569
00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:15,973
Speaker 5: at the doctor's recommended. And now she's you know, like

570
00:29:16,053 --> 00:29:19,773
Speaker 5: I said, the diets changed the exercise. We're mainly using

571
00:29:19,853 --> 00:29:22,373
Speaker 5: it as a way to get her out of the

572
00:29:22,453 --> 00:29:26,053
Speaker 5: mindsets into a new mindset and then stopping it and

573
00:29:26,253 --> 00:29:32,653
Speaker 5: just maintaining it by exercise and diet. And so you know, Okay,

574
00:29:32,733 --> 00:29:34,293
Speaker 5: it's going to cost you a couple of green but

575
00:29:34,813 --> 00:29:38,093
Speaker 5: in the scheme of things, that's cheap. I reckon, and

576
00:29:38,253 --> 00:29:40,853
Speaker 5: I think that they should fund it, but I think

577
00:29:40,933 --> 00:29:43,933
Speaker 5: there should be limits. You shouldn't just get funding, you know,

578
00:29:44,213 --> 00:29:46,853
Speaker 5: from here on out. You should be funded a three

579
00:29:46,933 --> 00:29:50,773
Speaker 5: month course and you should have regular updates with your doctor,

580
00:29:50,893 --> 00:29:52,693
Speaker 5: and you know at the moment you have to do

581
00:29:52,813 --> 00:29:56,133
Speaker 5: once a month. So I think if at the end

582
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Speaker 5: of the three months, if it's working, they can then

583
00:29:59,853 --> 00:30:02,693
Speaker 5: look at funding a further three months. But I don't

584
00:30:02,733 --> 00:30:05,533
Speaker 5: think everyone should just get it off the bat. It's

585
00:30:05,653 --> 00:30:06,573
Speaker 5: just too expensive.

586
00:30:07,093 --> 00:30:10,733
Speaker 2: Was your wife taking it because it was her weight

587
00:30:10,893 --> 00:30:14,533
Speaker 2: was becoming a health issue or was that a cosmetic thing.

588
00:30:16,253 --> 00:30:18,573
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say it was a health issue, like she

589
00:30:19,013 --> 00:30:20,573
Speaker 5: was a lot bigger than what she should have been,

590
00:30:21,173 --> 00:30:24,373
Speaker 5: and it was it was making you really depressed, yep,

591
00:30:24,813 --> 00:30:28,333
Speaker 5: And so we were looking at ways to you know,

592
00:30:28,693 --> 00:30:31,253
Speaker 5: so she wasn't depressed all the time that and it

593
00:30:31,413 --> 00:30:34,333
Speaker 5: kept coming down to her weight. So we that's when

594
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Speaker 5: the doctor recommended this. And I'll tell you, she's off

595
00:30:37,373 --> 00:30:41,293
Speaker 5: the depression pools. She's no longer depressed. It's every time

596
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Speaker 5: she jumps on the scales, she's just got a smile

597
00:30:44,213 --> 00:30:47,773
Speaker 5: on her face. So it's you know, people say, oh,

598
00:30:47,813 --> 00:30:50,733
Speaker 5: you've got to change your mindset and that, but I

599
00:30:50,853 --> 00:30:53,333
Speaker 5: think your mindset changes the moment you see a couple

600
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Speaker 5: of kilos off.

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Speaker 2: And that's probably changing your mindset as well. About ben.

602
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well look, I would highly recommend it to anyone

603
00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:03,813
Speaker 5: that's got a bit of weight on them. And people

604
00:31:03,973 --> 00:31:07,213
Speaker 5: saying that you can't get funding for it, well, we've

605
00:31:07,253 --> 00:31:10,013
Speaker 5: got our neighbors ext on it as well. She's a

606
00:31:10,093 --> 00:31:16,093
Speaker 5: single mother, three kids and she gets the disability allowance

607
00:31:16,133 --> 00:31:19,013
Speaker 5: each week from the working income. They pay eighty bucks

608
00:31:19,173 --> 00:31:22,053
Speaker 5: to her a week, so it doesn't cover the whole lot,

609
00:31:22,333 --> 00:31:25,373
Speaker 5: but it covers probably seventy percent of it. So you

610
00:31:25,773 --> 00:31:28,773
Speaker 5: can get it funded through the disability allowance if your

611
00:31:28,813 --> 00:31:30,413
Speaker 5: income's under a certain threshold.

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Speaker 2: So was she was this neighbor like really big?

613
00:31:37,093 --> 00:31:37,333
Speaker 14: Yeah?

614
00:31:37,413 --> 00:31:40,173
Speaker 5: So they I think they moreso went into it together.

615
00:31:40,293 --> 00:31:42,733
Speaker 5: Like my wife started on it and neighbor studied about

616
00:31:42,733 --> 00:31:46,373
Speaker 5: two weeks later, and you know their estimates and that,

617
00:31:46,653 --> 00:31:49,413
Speaker 5: and they go to the gym together. And from what

618
00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:52,013
Speaker 5: I hear, the people at the gym are very supportive,

619
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Speaker 5: and that's what you want you want to be, you know,

620
00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:57,053
Speaker 5: if you're going to hit the gym, you want people

621
00:31:57,093 --> 00:31:59,453
Speaker 5: to be supportive, and most people are they're like, hey,

622
00:31:59,533 --> 00:32:01,853
Speaker 5: you're doing something about it. Good on you, you know, like,

623
00:32:02,973 --> 00:32:04,653
Speaker 5: and that's what you need. You need to be around

624
00:32:04,653 --> 00:32:05,333
Speaker 5: positive people.

625
00:32:05,613 --> 00:32:08,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like it's working really well for your wife,

626
00:32:08,733 --> 00:32:10,133
Speaker 3: and thank you very much for giving us a buzz.

627
00:32:10,333 --> 00:32:12,533
Speaker 2: It's slightly different being is paying for it. Jan and

628
00:32:12,613 --> 00:32:13,933
Speaker 2: his wife are paying for it exactly.

629
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:16,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah that but yeah, it's not the textpayer funded.

630
00:32:16,213 --> 00:32:17,773
Speaker 3: And that's the question we're put to you, should it

631
00:32:17,813 --> 00:32:20,933
Speaker 3: be textpayer funded? It's worked for Ben and his wife,

632
00:32:20,973 --> 00:32:22,533
Speaker 3: but they are paying for it, so can you get

633
00:32:22,573 --> 00:32:24,613
Speaker 3: your views? Nine to ninety two is a text. It

634
00:32:24,733 --> 00:32:25,853
Speaker 3: is sixteen to two.

635
00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:29,653
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

636
00:32:29,773 --> 00:32:33,453
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

637
00:32:33,373 --> 00:32:35,733
Speaker 3: Talk said, be it's thirteen to two.

638
00:32:36,053 --> 00:32:37,493
Speaker 2: I've got to read this text because it's got such

639
00:32:37,493 --> 00:32:40,213
Speaker 2: a powerful start, and I can't help but read it, okays,

640
00:32:40,213 --> 00:32:43,093
Speaker 2: I look through the hundreds of texts coming through. Listen oursholes.

641
00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:45,173
Speaker 3: Oh it's nice.

642
00:32:45,453 --> 00:32:47,533
Speaker 2: I'm sick of being judged by people who have no idea.

643
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:48,493
Speaker 4: I like that.

644
00:32:48,613 --> 00:32:51,453
Speaker 2: Start listen oursholes. I'm sick of being judged. As you

645
00:32:51,573 --> 00:32:53,293
Speaker 2: go on to judge someone else, A lot of them

646
00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:55,773
Speaker 2: an asshole like your style. My daughter and I have

647
00:32:55,973 --> 00:33:01,973
Speaker 2: both have limph limp for how would you say that, limpford, lymphoedema,

648
00:33:02,133 --> 00:33:06,213
Speaker 2: limphord dema face, slim neck to waste, pretty normal but wasted.

649
00:33:06,253 --> 00:33:10,093
Speaker 2: Ankle swollen. I got ankles once on a cruise ship. Horrible.

650
00:33:10,293 --> 00:33:11,533
Speaker 3: I think that story, it's a great story.

651
00:33:11,613 --> 00:33:17,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, to sun Bens, we have cankles, swollen ankles, which

652
00:33:17,173 --> 00:33:19,813
Speaker 2: are very painful. We both do a lot of walking.

653
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Speaker 2: People can have this condition and actually very much in

654
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Speaker 2: calorie deficit and not getting enough essential amino acids and nutrients.

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Speaker 2: Much better recognized in Australia. My daughter was diagnosed by

656
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Speaker 2: a specialist there, which led to Mind being diagnosed here.

657
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Speaker 2: I like a text that starts with listening assholes and

658
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Speaker 2: ends with a very reasonable much better recognized in Australia.

659
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Speaker 2: My daughter was diagnosed by specialists there, which led to

660
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Speaker 2: Mind being diagnosed an emotional roller coaster. But thank you

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Speaker 2: very much, appreciate your texperience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nine nine two is the text number if you

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Speaker 3: want to seend one of those. Trevor, Trevor, welcome.

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Speaker 15: To the show.

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Speaker 7: How are you guys? I met some people say that's

666
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Speaker 7: a bit appropriate the world Assehold then I come on

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Speaker 7: the radio a.

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Speaker 3: Bit of a coincidence, yeah, own mate, Yeah all good.

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Speaker 16: Hey.

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Speaker 7: Look, first of all, I've got to say, I know

671
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Speaker 7: there's people that you have medical and hormone and pop

672
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Speaker 7: that you know, can't control their weight. And people say

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Speaker 7: to me, I can't come in because I've never in.

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Speaker 16: Like I like you.

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Speaker 7: You was that you use that word fat because I

676
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Speaker 7: thought that was banned these days. But I know exactly

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Speaker 7: what you mean and has the same meaning as obesity

678
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Speaker 7: and overweight. But yes, but you know, but this staggers me,

679
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Speaker 7: is I mean, everybody knows there's probably thousands of people

680
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Speaker 7: in New Zealand. The only reason they are overweight. I

681
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Speaker 7: know there's people with medical conditions, but they are overweight.

682
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Speaker 7: It's because of the choice of the food they eat.

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Speaker 7: And I find it incredible now that it's got to

684
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Speaker 7: a stage where you know, self discipline like doesn't come

685
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Speaker 7: into it when it's food. You eat what you put

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Speaker 7: in your mouth. I mean, man, I we can't do

687
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Speaker 7: that as a race. For people that can't do that,

688
00:34:54,053 --> 00:34:56,133
Speaker 7: you have to scratch your head and just wondering what's happening.

689
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Speaker 7: I mean you see a plate of KFC and you

690
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Speaker 7: see a knife healthy coffee salad bowl like, oh, I

691
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Speaker 7: don't know what to do. It's too hard for me

692
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Speaker 7: to decide. I mean, I just find it's just getting

693
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Speaker 7: to stage now where self responsibility is going to be

694
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Speaker 7: there for nothing.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're call Trevor, it is interesting though.

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Speaker 2: We are evolved for scarcity. We live in a time

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Speaker 2: of abundance, and we're evolved for scarcity. So every part

698
00:35:23,573 --> 00:35:26,453
Speaker 2: of our evolution when we come across seat sweet things

699
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Speaker 2: and fatty things as eat as much as you can

700
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Speaker 2: because you might not come across this area, or you

701
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Speaker 2: might not catch another mammoth for a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeap, makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So we are evolved to go hard and as a result,

704
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Speaker 2: that means people trying to sell food to us, we'll

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Speaker 2: fill it up with sugar and they'll full it up

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Speaker 2: with fat.

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Speaker 17: Yep.

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Speaker 2: They know the trends and salt because they know that

709
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Speaker 2: that's what it's going to attract us to it. And

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00:35:49,173 --> 00:35:53,373
Speaker 2: that is really the struggle. We're evolved for scarcity, but

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Speaker 2: we live in a time of abundance. We live in

712
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Speaker 2: a time where the biggest health threat to poor people

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Speaker 2: is obesity. So first time in history was always starvation,

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Speaker 2: but now it's obesity, which is a crazy flip on

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Speaker 2: the head in it too much food for beat people. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: obesity is as an affliction of the poor. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to get your head around that. It is a crazy idea.

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Speaker 2: You tell that to someone two hundred and fifty years ago.

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Speaker 2: I saw this incredible footage the other day. I go

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Speaker 2: off topic here of a tribe, a first contact tribe.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen that in the No, just another tribe.

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Speaker 3: Just recently they've found them.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so never they've never experienced they've never run into

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Speaker 2: human beings of the modern era before. Yep, skinny, I

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Speaker 2: bet I bet they are. They'll be looking very trim

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Speaker 2: and mustly right. Oh hundred they had no pants on,

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Speaker 2: which was good front standard. Oh it's pretty warm in

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Speaker 2: the Amazon. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighties the

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Speaker 2: number to call.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a quick break, but if you

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Speaker 3: want to see the tax nine two nine two is

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Speaker 3: that number? Nine to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on. Oh, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tylor

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 3: EDB, News Talk z B. It is six minutes to

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Speaker 3: two and we're talking about farm Mac investigating whether the

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Speaker 3: lunks of we goov should be publicly funded.

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Speaker 2: The sticker says, maybe I'm just a bad person, but

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Speaker 2: I would rather my text dollars go towards improving our infrastructure,

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Speaker 2: defense forces, and productivity than helping our over indulgent people

742
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Speaker 2: lose weight. Medication is oversubscribed. I think people need to

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Speaker 2: take more responsibility for their own health. Cheers JB.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for that text. Cheryl, how are you?

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Speaker 16: Yeah? Good?

746
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Speaker 7: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: You're on a weight loss medicine yourself, Cheryl, yep.

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Speaker 14: Yes, I'm onto your mind now. Then I am such

749
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Speaker 14: out of a tragedy where I lost part of my body.

750
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Speaker 14: I grew up with obesity. I swear my mother put

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Speaker 14: me to be here as a baby with bother in

752
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Speaker 14: my mouth because I grew up not being able to

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Speaker 14: sleep without being on ball. Coming the tragedy storics and

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Speaker 14: it's part of my body and what part of your.

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Speaker 2: Body can't what part?

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00:37:59,253 --> 00:37:59,413
Speaker 7: Yes?

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00:37:59,733 --> 00:38:02,013
Speaker 2: Sorry, your eyes?

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Speaker 14: Oh that's rough, so you're not And then diabetes text mate,

759
00:38:07,573 --> 00:38:09,573
Speaker 14: and I have talked, and I have greatfulgren I have

760
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Speaker 14: a reason to want to live, so I try and

761
00:38:12,653 --> 00:38:15,453
Speaker 14: I try, remembering to save my eyes. They hit me

762
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Speaker 14: on one hundred milligrams of our stairway to day, so

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Speaker 14: I beat up to one hundred and twenty nine kg.

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Speaker 14: And it's got to lose, right, I reasa is right there.

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Speaker 14: I don't want to be a diabetic. Too many of

766
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Speaker 14: my phino on Mary Mary have died through this diabetes,

767
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Speaker 14: and nowadays it's worse. I go doctor. I get funder

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Speaker 14: jeremne across me eighty nine dollars fifty a month.

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Speaker 7: I'm on the benefit.

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Speaker 14: I've got no wives. That's affordable. But yes, it's not

771
00:38:44,293 --> 00:38:46,133
Speaker 14: only about that pole that you can pay for to get.

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Speaker 14: It's about changing the mindset, doing the exercise, committing yourself

773
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Speaker 14: to it. So people with the kind it easy to oh, well,

774
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Speaker 14: just go and keep this. It's easy enough. It's too easy.

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Speaker 2: Is it working for you and your power keeps paying?

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Speaker 14: It is working for me, Yes, it is, but a

777
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Speaker 14: lot of it through Yes, I do take this full daily.

778
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Speaker 14: A lot of it true has been my mind. I've

779
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Speaker 14: changed my lazy ways. I get up to a routine

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Speaker 14: in the morning.

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Speaker 7: I don't get up to.

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Speaker 14: A big feed.

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Speaker 3: Do you think part of that was because you've got

784
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Speaker 3: to you've got to pay that money, yourself share all

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Speaker 3: you you experience more responsibility and doing those other elements.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely, absolutely, and I'm very tight. I'm supported loving benefit

787
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Speaker 14: the benefit. It's not made to survive, it's only your

788
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Speaker 14: nade to exist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for cool, Cheryl. We've got to go

790
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Speaker 2: to the news. But yeah, I mean what a story?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, dura mean is the the appetites of press

792
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Speaker 3: and pill that she mentioned them? Would you say ninety

793
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Speaker 3: bucks a month, which is a lot better than we.

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Speaker 2: Go v Well, you know, if you're feeling bad about

795
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Speaker 2: yourself today, unless you've got your eyes.

796
00:39:51,973 --> 00:39:54,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, you do. Yep, yep, one hundred percent. Oh,

797
00:39:54,853 --> 00:39:56,933
Speaker 3: gratitude is an important thing that certainly is. We're going

798
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Speaker 3: to carry this on. So can you get your views?

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Speaker 3: O eight hundred and eighteen eighty is that number of

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Speaker 3: call news coming up?

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon? It's Matt Heath and Taylor

802
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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news Talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be welcome back into the show. It is six

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Speaker 3: past two.

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Speaker 2: A few people have been asking about where I watched

806
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Speaker 2: that footage of the newly discovered uncontacted tribe, Uncontacted Warriors.

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Speaker 2: It's on the Lex Friedman podcast. It's a great podcast,

808
00:40:26,293 --> 00:40:29,253
Speaker 2: very serious individual, that guy. But he's talking to a

809
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Speaker 2: guy called Paul Rosalie and it's the first time this

810
00:40:32,493 --> 00:40:34,133
Speaker 2: would have just been released. But these people that have

811
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Speaker 2: never had contact with the modern world, this Amazon tribe,

812
00:40:37,653 --> 00:40:41,133
Speaker 2: and they come out of the wilderness into a lake

813
00:40:41,173 --> 00:40:43,213
Speaker 2: and they just stand there and they've got their ropes

814
00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:45,613
Speaker 2: around them, they've got their spears and they're just looking

815
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Speaker 2: at these modern humans with cameras and just I don't

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00:40:48,893 --> 00:40:52,013
Speaker 2: know what's going on. Similar haircuts, I've got to say, yep, yep,

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Speaker 2: and no pants, no pants, no pants, but quite elaborate

818
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Speaker 2: ropes around their middles.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But what's interesting about it is those people have had

821
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Speaker 2: their leaders and their politics and their dramas in thousands

822
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Speaker 2: of years of history, and you know, their religion and such,

823
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Speaker 2: and then they just come across these people with cameras

824
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Speaker 2: and such that are standing back because it's the morality

825
00:41:18,173 --> 00:41:21,893
Speaker 2: around you know, your first contact with an uncontacted tribe,

826
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Speaker 2: because it all changes, yeah, changes their entire world, not

827
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Speaker 2: least the diseases that you can give them for sure,

828
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Speaker 2: but they sort of come in with a bit of bravado.

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Speaker 2: These warriors. They've got their their spears and their bows

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Speaker 2: and arrows, and they're kind of like, are we're going

831
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Speaker 2: to take these people on? And then they sort of

832
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Speaker 2: look at them and then they sort of step back,

833
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Speaker 2: and then some of them start laughing, and you kind

834
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Speaker 2: of want to maybe that's the response to seeing something

835
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Speaker 2: just insane.

836
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you who are these weirdos? What are these things?

837
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Speaker 2: Just their clothes and in the fact they've got clothes on,

838
00:41:49,813 --> 00:41:53,613
Speaker 2: these guys got no clothes on. Interesting life just walking

839
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Speaker 2: around with you downstairs out Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean they seem to be happy, as you say. They

841
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Speaker 3: were laughing.

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Speaker 2: How we're having a good time certainly no secrets. Yeah

843
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Speaker 2: you like and who you don't like?

844
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is crazy though, you know. And a world

845
00:42:04,853 --> 00:42:06,933
Speaker 3: with satellites and all the other technology, the fact that

846
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Speaker 3: they're still finding tribes that have no contact with the

847
00:42:10,413 --> 00:42:12,253
Speaker 3: outside world and society, it's fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And it goes back to what we were saying before,

849
00:42:14,933 --> 00:42:18,853
Speaker 2: because we're talking about weight loss drugs and this push

850
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Speaker 2: to have we govy covered by the taxpath for overweight

851
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Speaker 2: individuals in our country, because, as I was saying, we

852
00:42:27,653 --> 00:42:31,293
Speaker 2: live in a time of abundance and we're evolved for scarcity. Yes,

853
00:42:31,533 --> 00:42:34,533
Speaker 2: so revolved to be very hard to come across fatty,

854
00:42:34,573 --> 00:42:37,373
Speaker 2: sugary foods and very hard to get your food and

855
00:42:37,413 --> 00:42:38,773
Speaker 2: a lot of work to get your food to it

856
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Speaker 2: just being so easy for everyone to get the most fattening,

857
00:42:43,013 --> 00:42:47,933
Speaker 2: calorific food possible. Yeah, but there is no overweight people

858
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Speaker 2: in this stribe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all of them.

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Speaker 2: All of them are actually in good shape.

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Speaker 3: They are a very good shape. I think their body

862
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Speaker 3: fat index would be very very low. Yeah, good muscles

863
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Speaker 3: on them. No beer bellies, there's no drive throughs. No

864
00:43:02,013 --> 00:43:04,773
Speaker 3: drive throughs can take your fried chicken. Yeah, they'll live

865
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Speaker 3: it it up. But we are talking, of course about

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Speaker 3: the we Govan farm. So Auckland University pediat trek Indo

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Speaker 3: chronologist Wayne Cupfield. He was surprised FIMAC didn't go to

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Speaker 3: the market for a more powerful weight loss truck like

869
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Speaker 3: to zeppetide.

870
00:43:20,213 --> 00:43:22,733
Speaker 8: And there is the difference in the weight loss with

871
00:43:23,253 --> 00:43:27,453
Speaker 8: wagodi which is about fifteen percent and dezepetide which is

872
00:43:27,853 --> 00:43:29,013
Speaker 8: about twenty percent.

873
00:43:29,813 --> 00:43:31,533
Speaker 3: So there is a bit of support in the medical

874
00:43:31,613 --> 00:43:36,253
Speaker 3: fraternity for funding via the taxpayer. Some of these weight

875
00:43:36,293 --> 00:43:38,093
Speaker 3: loss strokes can you hear from you? On one hundred

876
00:43:38,093 --> 00:43:38,493
Speaker 3: and eighty ten.

877
00:43:38,493 --> 00:43:41,133
Speaker 2: Eighty Mikas is in the industry and she says, I'm

878
00:43:41,173 --> 00:43:43,533
Speaker 2: in two minds on this text. I'm working in health

879
00:43:43,533 --> 00:43:45,773
Speaker 2: and I'm very aware of the documented side effects. It

880
00:43:45,853 --> 00:43:48,453
Speaker 2: has a place in weight management if monitored by a physician,

881
00:43:48,533 --> 00:43:53,373
Speaker 2: accompanied with working on often in part emotional issues being

882
00:43:53,413 --> 00:43:57,253
Speaker 2: part of the overeating. I almost hit one hundred kg.

883
00:43:57,493 --> 00:44:01,013
Speaker 2: Have paid into an app four days exercise to build muscle,

884
00:44:01,133 --> 00:44:04,212
Speaker 2: walking four to five kilometers daily, a higher protein, lower

885
00:44:04,293 --> 00:44:08,213
Speaker 2: carb diet for kg off since first of jan I'm motivated.

886
00:44:08,573 --> 00:44:11,573
Speaker 2: It's not easy. If I don't deal with why I

887
00:44:11,693 --> 00:44:14,652
Speaker 2: eat too much, no jab will fix it. I mean,

888
00:44:14,693 --> 00:44:16,693
Speaker 2: that is a very good point. One of the whys

889
00:44:16,893 --> 00:44:19,652
Speaker 2: of why people eat too much is sleep. The more

890
00:44:19,773 --> 00:44:22,733
Speaker 2: people look into it, sleep is a bigger and bigger

891
00:44:23,213 --> 00:44:28,413
Speaker 2: part of it. Getting poor sleep, it increases your diet,

892
00:44:28,493 --> 00:44:32,613
Speaker 2: your want for food, and it lowers your ability to

893
00:44:32,693 --> 00:44:35,853
Speaker 2: would self control. So one of the things that you

894
00:44:36,013 --> 00:44:39,133
Speaker 2: need to get sorted, if you can, first before you

895
00:44:39,213 --> 00:44:41,653
Speaker 2: do anything else is sleep. And the problem with that

896
00:44:41,853 --> 00:44:44,293
Speaker 2: is that any alcohol, you know, in the second half

897
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:45,693
Speaker 2: of the day makes it very hard to have a

898
00:44:45,773 --> 00:44:48,772
Speaker 2: really good sleep. Even one drink is a problem.

899
00:44:48,853 --> 00:44:50,133
Speaker 3: I was just about to ask that. So is that

900
00:44:50,213 --> 00:44:52,573
Speaker 3: why after I've had a massive night and I get

901
00:44:52,653 --> 00:44:55,093
Speaker 3: some pretty poor sleep, if any, then the next day

902
00:44:55,413 --> 00:44:58,013
Speaker 3: I'm smashing uber eats in KFC like nobody else.

903
00:44:58,253 --> 00:44:59,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you get that thing where people get

904
00:44:59,773 --> 00:45:01,973
Speaker 2: black out drunk and pass out and then wake up

905
00:45:02,013 --> 00:45:04,933
Speaker 2: tired because you haven't had a sleep. That is a

906
00:45:05,133 --> 00:45:08,733
Speaker 2: restorative sleep, right, But yeah, any alcohol will will and

907
00:45:08,893 --> 00:45:12,652
Speaker 2: effect your sleep. I'm asleep nut, I've got I've got

908
00:45:12,693 --> 00:45:15,053
Speaker 2: a sleep obsession. It's it's shocking, my partner.

909
00:45:15,093 --> 00:45:17,053
Speaker 3: What do you got now? I mean, you mentioned this

910
00:45:17,133 --> 00:45:19,133
Speaker 3: to me this morning. It sounds crazy to me, mate,

911
00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:20,533
Speaker 3: But let's just go through the last I'm.

912
00:45:20,413 --> 00:45:23,853
Speaker 2: About one step away from a gimp mask from from

913
00:45:24,053 --> 00:45:24,573
Speaker 2: pulp fiction.

914
00:45:24,973 --> 00:45:26,253
Speaker 16: You are, so you are.

915
00:45:26,453 --> 00:45:28,692
Speaker 3: I've got the that'd be sexier than what you got now.

916
00:45:28,773 --> 00:45:32,693
Speaker 2: I've got the face masks, beautiful, all woolen face masks

917
00:45:32,693 --> 00:45:33,493
Speaker 2: and do not disturb.

918
00:45:33,573 --> 00:45:35,253
Speaker 3: They are great, they are fantastic.

919
00:45:36,133 --> 00:45:38,692
Speaker 2: I've got the mouth patch. I think that's from Better sleep. Okay,

920
00:45:38,853 --> 00:45:42,133
Speaker 2: that keeps my mouth closed like a tape. Tape okay,

921
00:45:42,293 --> 00:45:44,053
Speaker 2: shuts my mouth. So I only sleep through my nose.

922
00:45:44,133 --> 00:45:46,013
Speaker 2: That's a big part of it. And I've got these

923
00:45:46,173 --> 00:45:49,573
Speaker 2: nose expanders that I put on my nose that open

924
00:45:49,653 --> 00:45:51,853
Speaker 2: up my nostrils, and I put a little your plugs

925
00:45:51,893 --> 00:45:56,732
Speaker 2: in and I sleep like Ussin Bolt runs one hundred meters.

926
00:45:56,773 --> 00:45:59,732
Speaker 3: How's the romance the crape crap out of the bed? Yeah?

927
00:45:59,893 --> 00:46:00,733
Speaker 3: Is the romance still good?

928
00:46:00,773 --> 00:46:00,893
Speaker 5: Though?

929
00:46:01,213 --> 00:46:03,973
Speaker 2: No one wants to go near someone with that humiliding

930
00:46:04,013 --> 00:46:04,652
Speaker 2: crap on their face.

931
00:46:04,733 --> 00:46:07,333
Speaker 3: More tracy, more tracy. But at least you get in

932
00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:08,973
Speaker 3: good sleep last night.

933
00:46:09,053 --> 00:46:10,293
Speaker 2: She goes, Oh god, you're not going to put your

934
00:46:10,413 --> 00:46:14,373
Speaker 2: shirt on your face again. But you know, if you're

935
00:46:14,453 --> 00:46:17,653
Speaker 2: going for a tramp, you make sure you have the

936
00:46:17,773 --> 00:46:20,133
Speaker 2: right gear. If you're going to work, you bring your

937
00:46:20,213 --> 00:46:22,292
Speaker 2: laptop if you need it, you bring your lunch whatever.

938
00:46:23,013 --> 00:46:24,813
Speaker 2: Sleep is a big part of your life. Hopefully eight

939
00:46:24,893 --> 00:46:27,133
Speaker 2: hours or seven hours or whatever you need. It's different

940
00:46:27,173 --> 00:46:29,853
Speaker 2: for different people. Why wouldn't you put the stuff together

941
00:46:29,973 --> 00:46:30,893
Speaker 2: to go on that journey?

942
00:46:31,413 --> 00:46:32,133
Speaker 3: It's your point.

943
00:46:32,293 --> 00:46:35,533
Speaker 2: I mean, should I be laughed at and berated by

944
00:46:35,613 --> 00:46:38,333
Speaker 2: people like you? Tyler, because I want to seal my

945
00:46:38,453 --> 00:46:41,493
Speaker 2: mouth shut, open my nose up, put a mask on,

946
00:46:41,693 --> 00:46:43,772
Speaker 2: and put an eard pugs before we go to sleep.

947
00:46:43,813 --> 00:46:46,133
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you shirt it. We need to see photos as well,

948
00:46:46,493 --> 00:46:49,053
Speaker 3: but it is a big part of the weight loss

949
00:46:49,333 --> 00:46:54,213
Speaker 3: equation is asleep Judy, Oh just lost Judy will come

950
00:46:54,253 --> 00:46:55,853
Speaker 3: back to Judy in a minute. But oh, eight hundred

951
00:46:55,853 --> 00:46:57,653
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call a

952
00:46:57,653 --> 00:46:59,333
Speaker 3: couple of teachs coming through on nine two nine two.

953
00:46:59,613 --> 00:47:02,373
Speaker 2: I spent ten years overweight with a BMI of thirty

954
00:47:02,413 --> 00:47:05,133
Speaker 2: three to thirty five. I ate freely, chase fair diets,

955
00:47:05,173 --> 00:47:07,732
Speaker 2: lost weight short term, then rebound it every time. Before

956
00:47:07,773 --> 00:47:11,613
Speaker 2: tuning forty, I faced it properly, full medical, honest food tracking,

957
00:47:11,773 --> 00:47:15,692
Speaker 2: no alcohol, clean diet, regularly exercise, clear targets, frequent way

958
00:47:15,773 --> 00:47:19,893
Speaker 2: in regular doctor chickens. Some days were hard, I trained anywhere.

959
00:47:20,493 --> 00:47:23,292
Speaker 2: Measurement kept me accountable. Over twelve months, I lost thirty

960
00:47:23,293 --> 00:47:26,853
Speaker 2: seven kg. Well wow, wow, that's phenomenal, good work, Texter.

961
00:47:27,733 --> 00:47:29,893
Speaker 2: All health markers now sit in the excellent range. These

962
00:47:29,933 --> 00:47:33,053
Speaker 2: behaviors are habits. I still enjoy an occasional cheat meal,

963
00:47:33,093 --> 00:47:36,533
Speaker 2: but a healthy lifestyle runs on default or was it hard? Yes?

964
00:47:36,973 --> 00:47:40,133
Speaker 2: Am I proud, confident and stronger for doing it? Absolutely?

965
00:47:40,333 --> 00:47:40,853
Speaker 2: Thank you for you.

966
00:47:41,093 --> 00:47:43,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a great text. Right, we'll get to

967
00:47:43,253 --> 00:47:46,893
Speaker 3: Judy after the break. She wants to talk about nutrition education,

968
00:47:47,173 --> 00:47:48,573
Speaker 3: so she is coming up. But can you get your

969
00:47:48,733 --> 00:47:50,373
Speaker 3: views on this as well? Oh eight hundred and eighty

970
00:47:50,413 --> 00:47:52,293
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number fourteen pass two And.

971
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:55,733
Speaker 2: If you've got a humiliating GIP like sleep set up,

972
00:47:55,773 --> 00:47:56,893
Speaker 2: then I'd love to hear from you as well.

973
00:47:56,973 --> 00:47:58,133
Speaker 3: Yep, send through those pecks.

974
00:47:59,333 --> 00:48:03,773
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon Talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

975
00:48:03,933 --> 00:48:07,613
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk.

976
00:48:07,533 --> 00:48:11,293
Speaker 3: Said be news storks thereb We're talking about weight loss

977
00:48:11,413 --> 00:48:13,292
Speaker 3: drugs and should it be funded by the text Bayer

978
00:48:13,493 --> 00:48:15,053
Speaker 3: fire Maker looking into it? O eight one hundred and

979
00:48:15,053 --> 00:48:16,172
Speaker 3: eighteen eighties and number to call.

980
00:48:16,653 --> 00:48:19,533
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Judy, Oh.

981
00:48:19,493 --> 00:48:23,693
Speaker 18: Hello you too. Look I'm interested in the topic. I

982
00:48:23,853 --> 00:48:26,933
Speaker 18: just want to speak generally and I don't have any answers,

983
00:48:27,413 --> 00:48:30,173
Speaker 18: but I've got a bit of a timeline because I

984
00:48:30,373 --> 00:48:33,973
Speaker 18: was a cooking teacher in the sixties and we taught

985
00:48:34,293 --> 00:48:37,252
Speaker 18: nutrition what to eat as well as how to cook

986
00:48:37,333 --> 00:48:40,613
Speaker 18: it and we and our family would have fish and

987
00:48:40,693 --> 00:48:43,333
Speaker 18: chips on Friday night. That was it, that was the takeaway.

988
00:48:44,013 --> 00:48:47,293
Speaker 18: And then some years later or many years later, I

989
00:48:47,373 --> 00:48:50,133
Speaker 18: don't know when I happened to be living in Auckland

990
00:48:51,093 --> 00:48:56,413
Speaker 18: when the KFC or one of these fast foods was

991
00:48:56,493 --> 00:49:01,413
Speaker 18: starting to come into New Zealand, because I remember reading

992
00:49:01,653 --> 00:49:06,212
Speaker 18: some market research that this fast food company was one

993
00:49:06,213 --> 00:49:09,573
Speaker 18: of the first coming into New Zealand. Market research they did.

994
00:49:10,253 --> 00:49:13,333
Speaker 18: They wanted to open a new market and it stayed

995
00:49:13,413 --> 00:49:17,453
Speaker 18: with me forever because the corner they chose to put

996
00:49:17,573 --> 00:49:22,253
Speaker 18: their outlet with the corner that the most school children

997
00:49:22,373 --> 00:49:26,933
Speaker 18: went past. And I've never forgotten that market research. So

998
00:49:27,373 --> 00:49:31,373
Speaker 18: for me, it's the sort of society we've allowed to

999
00:49:31,453 --> 00:49:36,893
Speaker 18: be built. And nowadays, or least more years later, I

1000
00:49:37,013 --> 00:49:39,853
Speaker 18: sit in a coffee shop in the little town I'm

1001
00:49:39,893 --> 00:49:45,172
Speaker 18: living in and I see massive people going past, which

1002
00:49:45,253 --> 00:49:48,573
Speaker 18: I would never have seen in my days of fish

1003
00:49:48,613 --> 00:49:51,013
Speaker 18: and chips on Friday night, and they come into the

1004
00:49:51,053 --> 00:49:53,533
Speaker 18: coffee shop and they can hardly sit at the table

1005
00:49:53,573 --> 00:49:55,373
Speaker 18: and they buy a pie and a cream bun.

1006
00:49:56,093 --> 00:49:59,573
Speaker 2: So what was the was nutritional advice in the nineteen sixties, Do.

1007
00:49:59,533 --> 00:50:00,653
Speaker 1: You well.

1008
00:50:02,013 --> 00:50:06,453
Speaker 18: You learned about what vitamins and minerals and what good food,

1009
00:50:07,053 --> 00:50:09,613
Speaker 18: all the sorts of things that you should eat and

1010
00:50:10,733 --> 00:50:13,172
Speaker 18: what they were going to give you, like you need

1011
00:50:13,373 --> 00:50:16,213
Speaker 18: to eat well. For example, salt, you want to have

1012
00:50:16,373 --> 00:50:19,253
Speaker 18: the iodiye, salt, not the plain one because of the

1013
00:50:19,373 --> 00:50:23,333
Speaker 18: ID in it. And what was good you learned Vitamin ABC.

1014
00:50:23,573 --> 00:50:26,573
Speaker 18: You need your vitamin C and it comes here, and

1015
00:50:27,293 --> 00:50:29,693
Speaker 18: calcium comes and milk, so drink milk.

1016
00:50:29,773 --> 00:50:29,933
Speaker 14: You know?

1017
00:50:30,133 --> 00:50:32,333
Speaker 2: Do you guys have the food permit around the wrong

1018
00:50:32,373 --> 00:50:32,733
Speaker 2: way though?

1019
00:50:32,853 --> 00:50:33,133
Speaker 5: Judy?

1020
00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:36,853
Speaker 18: You mean with the cakes at the top.

1021
00:50:37,373 --> 00:50:39,933
Speaker 3: Got a pasta at the top, but a white breed beautiful?

1022
00:50:42,173 --> 00:50:44,653
Speaker 18: Yeah, I can see where you're going to go. But anyway,

1023
00:50:45,893 --> 00:50:50,573
Speaker 18: but I do remember that market research is done and

1024
00:50:50,773 --> 00:50:54,413
Speaker 18: nowadays what I see, And I just would like to

1025
00:50:54,893 --> 00:50:59,853
Speaker 18: applaud Trevor because he said learn to say no. But

1026
00:51:00,773 --> 00:51:03,973
Speaker 18: that's an easy thing to say nowadays because everything is

1027
00:51:04,053 --> 00:51:08,253
Speaker 18: on every corner and it's just too easy for people

1028
00:51:09,413 --> 00:51:14,533
Speaker 18: to just run down and get something or have it delivered,

1029
00:51:15,573 --> 00:51:18,973
Speaker 18: and if they haven't had the basic of what you

1030
00:51:19,053 --> 00:51:24,093
Speaker 18: should eat for good health. Now for example, I mean

1031
00:51:24,173 --> 00:51:28,693
Speaker 18: I have been overweight, hopefully wasn't a beast but I

1032
00:51:28,933 --> 00:51:32,013
Speaker 18: was overweight. Well, then you cut out this, and you

1033
00:51:32,093 --> 00:51:34,013
Speaker 18: cut out that, and you cut out something else. But

1034
00:51:34,093 --> 00:51:36,853
Speaker 18: you can still have a good time and nice meals

1035
00:51:36,933 --> 00:51:39,213
Speaker 18: and a glass of wine at night. But you have

1036
00:51:39,453 --> 00:51:40,692
Speaker 18: to know what to cut out.

1037
00:51:40,813 --> 00:51:42,653
Speaker 2: How does the glass of wine affect you're sleeping?

1038
00:51:42,733 --> 00:51:42,973
Speaker 5: Duty?

1039
00:51:43,853 --> 00:51:46,333
Speaker 18: Well, it doesn't because it's quite a small one, right.

1040
00:51:46,933 --> 00:51:49,373
Speaker 18: But also, I'm doing a lot of walking every day.

1041
00:51:50,013 --> 00:51:53,293
Speaker 2: Do you walk after dinner? Par Do you walk after dinner?

1042
00:51:54,973 --> 00:51:57,173
Speaker 18: Yes, I'll do sure. I'll usually do an hour in

1043
00:51:57,213 --> 00:51:59,773
Speaker 18: the morning, hour later in the day, and half an

1044
00:51:59,813 --> 00:52:00,292
Speaker 18: hour after.

1045
00:52:01,453 --> 00:52:02,533
Speaker 3: You get a half hours a day.

1046
00:52:02,573 --> 00:52:04,813
Speaker 2: You're getting some serious steps and then duty. That's that's

1047
00:52:04,813 --> 00:52:05,813
Speaker 2: straight for health.

1048
00:52:07,093 --> 00:52:09,493
Speaker 18: And it says look up. Honestly, I'll just tell you

1049
00:52:09,613 --> 00:52:14,533
Speaker 18: a quick little thing. I remember many years ago when

1050
00:52:14,533 --> 00:52:16,973
Speaker 18: I was traveling and everything, and I happened to be

1051
00:52:17,773 --> 00:52:20,853
Speaker 18: living in Paris just for a short time, and I

1052
00:52:21,053 --> 00:52:25,893
Speaker 18: thought to myself, then look here's this opportion. He on

1053
00:52:26,093 --> 00:52:29,613
Speaker 18: eat everything it comes my way, because it's absolutely fabulous good.

1054
00:52:29,733 --> 00:52:34,172
Speaker 18: I worry about worry about the wait latest. So I did,

1055
00:52:34,413 --> 00:52:38,733
Speaker 18: and I thoroughly enjoyed myself. Now I'm getting into old age,

1056
00:52:39,293 --> 00:52:41,973
Speaker 18: and I know I can't keep up that lifestyle. So

1057
00:52:42,133 --> 00:52:44,573
Speaker 18: it's you know, fair gees and a bit of fish

1058
00:52:44,693 --> 00:52:49,173
Speaker 18: and fresh fruit, no puddings, say no to cream.

1059
00:52:49,613 --> 00:52:49,773
Speaker 1: You know.

1060
00:52:50,133 --> 00:52:54,453
Speaker 18: It's so it is for you to decide what you're

1061
00:52:54,493 --> 00:52:57,293
Speaker 18: going to say no to. You don't have to stop

1062
00:52:57,413 --> 00:52:59,253
Speaker 18: in everywhere and have everything.

1063
00:52:59,773 --> 00:53:01,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much, Judy got on you

1064
00:53:01,493 --> 00:53:03,373
Speaker 2: two and a half hours walking a day. I only

1065
00:53:03,413 --> 00:53:05,973
Speaker 2: bring up the walking after dinner because I was listening

1066
00:53:06,013 --> 00:53:09,173
Speaker 2: to a was an neuroscientist actually talking about you know,

1067
00:53:09,853 --> 00:53:13,812
Speaker 2: triggers for you know, healthy life, and you know, because

1068
00:53:13,813 --> 00:53:16,213
Speaker 2: because you know now now now neuroscientists talk about everything

1069
00:53:16,493 --> 00:53:18,413
Speaker 2: because because of all the chat about the gut.

1070
00:53:18,333 --> 00:53:20,533
Speaker 3: By it home, yeah, huge research, and then.

1071
00:53:20,453 --> 00:53:23,853
Speaker 2: The digestion, and he was just saying, basically, the best

1072
00:53:23,893 --> 00:53:25,413
Speaker 2: thing you can do is a walk after dinner.

1073
00:53:25,413 --> 00:53:26,212
Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense.

1074
00:53:26,573 --> 00:53:30,293
Speaker 2: The digestions asleep health, digestion helps metabolism. Yeah, all those

1075
00:53:30,333 --> 00:53:32,053
Speaker 2: kind of things, all these kind of old really sort

1076
00:53:32,093 --> 00:53:34,253
Speaker 2: of old school things. Should we go for a walk, darling,

1077
00:53:34,293 --> 00:53:36,133
Speaker 2: should we have a turn around the you know, like

1078
00:53:36,853 --> 00:53:38,893
Speaker 2: pride and prejudice with the going for a walk around

1079
00:53:38,893 --> 00:53:39,692
Speaker 2: the garden kind of thing.

1080
00:53:39,853 --> 00:53:43,533
Speaker 3: It's very romantic. But those things are a good It

1081
00:53:43,613 --> 00:53:46,333
Speaker 3: doesn't bring it back. Yeah right, Oh, one hundred and

1082
00:53:46,373 --> 00:53:48,533
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number of cool? Do you

1083
00:53:48,733 --> 00:53:51,853
Speaker 3: think we should be as taxpayers funding weight loss drugs?

1084
00:53:51,853 --> 00:53:53,213
Speaker 3: Does it make sense to you? Or is it more

1085
00:53:53,213 --> 00:53:56,413
Speaker 3: about personal responsibility? And the text number ninet two nine two.

1086
00:53:56,573 --> 00:53:57,973
Speaker 2: And look, there's a lot of people that are coming

1087
00:53:58,013 --> 00:54:00,573
Speaker 2: through that are getting a monks with the taping your

1088
00:54:00,613 --> 00:54:03,533
Speaker 2: mouth up, putting eye masks on, and opening your nasal

1089
00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:04,933
Speaker 2: cavities up so you get a good sleep.

1090
00:54:05,053 --> 00:54:05,772
Speaker 3: Yeap, Matt.

1091
00:54:05,853 --> 00:54:07,333
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get my husband to wear the mouth

1092
00:54:07,413 --> 00:54:09,333
Speaker 2: tape so that I can get a better night's sleep.

1093
00:54:09,733 --> 00:54:11,813
Speaker 2: He thinks he'll feel like he's been kidnapped.

1094
00:54:13,293 --> 00:54:15,853
Speaker 3: Keep those teaths coming through, Genuinely, if you're on the

1095
00:54:16,333 --> 00:54:19,493
Speaker 3: old mouth tap tape, Baandwagon love to hear from you,

1096
00:54:19,813 --> 00:54:21,813
Speaker 3: because I know there's a lot more people doing it.

1097
00:54:21,893 --> 00:54:23,693
Speaker 3: I just don't buy it, mate, It just seems to me.

1098
00:54:24,693 --> 00:54:26,413
Speaker 3: I don't know. You better off just get in the

1099
00:54:26,453 --> 00:54:27,172
Speaker 3: full face mask.

1100
00:54:27,533 --> 00:54:30,013
Speaker 2: Just try it, MATEI Hi, guys, that tribe says it all.

1101
00:54:30,413 --> 00:54:33,373
Speaker 2: Not that this was the uncontacted Triyve, not a fat

1102
00:54:33,413 --> 00:54:35,973
Speaker 2: one amongst them. None of them with a hormone that

1103
00:54:36,053 --> 00:54:39,573
Speaker 2: makes them more hungry, laughing, crying and laughing Moji. Oh

1104
00:54:39,653 --> 00:54:42,133
Speaker 2: what a joke. Diet and exos sounds simple and cliche,

1105
00:54:42,213 --> 00:54:45,173
Speaker 2: but it works. So sick of people too lazy to

1106
00:54:45,213 --> 00:54:48,213
Speaker 2: look after themselves and looking to blame anything but themselves.

1107
00:54:48,533 --> 00:54:51,773
Speaker 2: I don't want my taxpayer money looking after those lazy asses.

1108
00:54:52,013 --> 00:54:52,973
Speaker 2: Oh cheers Alex.

1109
00:54:53,013 --> 00:54:54,853
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you say to Alex? Come on through

1110
00:54:54,893 --> 00:54:57,133
Speaker 3: it as twenty four past two bag very surely.

1111
00:55:00,733 --> 00:55:04,093
Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1112
00:55:04,173 --> 00:55:06,333
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1113
00:55:08,493 --> 00:55:09,293
Speaker 2: New Stalks there b.

1114
00:55:09,413 --> 00:55:11,813
Speaker 3: We're talking about we go the and should it be

1115
00:55:11,853 --> 00:55:14,653
Speaker 3: funded by us the taxpayers? Far Mac are investigating. What

1116
00:55:14,693 --> 00:55:15,733
Speaker 3: do you say this?

1117
00:55:15,893 --> 00:55:17,973
Speaker 2: Texas says I've been on their diet injection for about

1118
00:55:17,973 --> 00:55:20,213
Speaker 2: six months. If I'm late for taking the egyction, I

1119
00:55:20,333 --> 00:55:23,173
Speaker 2: crave food and meat eat more than ever. Wow. You

1120
00:55:23,253 --> 00:55:25,413
Speaker 2: also have to be careful when you're on it that

1121
00:55:25,573 --> 00:55:28,333
Speaker 2: your mind doesn't want you to start eating cakes. The

1122
00:55:28,413 --> 00:55:30,293
Speaker 2: only way it really works properly is to have a

1123
00:55:30,333 --> 00:55:33,573
Speaker 2: diet plan, eating good protein and food as well. If

1124
00:55:33,613 --> 00:55:36,413
Speaker 2: they're going to subsidize this. People also need to have

1125
00:55:36,653 --> 00:55:38,853
Speaker 2: a food diet plan to go with it. But yes,

1126
00:55:38,893 --> 00:55:41,413
Speaker 2: the problem is when you stop, if you will.

1127
00:55:41,293 --> 00:55:45,293
Speaker 3: Put that weight back on, And that's the worry, right, And.

1128
00:55:46,253 --> 00:55:48,333
Speaker 2: Philipps says, yeah, we do a walk after then we

1129
00:55:48,373 --> 00:55:51,093
Speaker 2: call it the fart walk. It's true. Actually you will,

1130
00:55:52,213 --> 00:55:53,893
Speaker 2: you know you will, but I think that's part of it.

1131
00:55:54,053 --> 00:55:56,252
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's better in the open rather than inside the house.

1132
00:55:56,293 --> 00:55:59,013
Speaker 2: Do you know how you lose weight. It's pumped out

1133
00:55:59,253 --> 00:56:00,413
Speaker 2: with carbon dioxide.

1134
00:56:00,453 --> 00:56:01,493
Speaker 3: Oh you did mention that eachually?

1135
00:56:01,573 --> 00:56:03,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, yah, yeah, so that because you wonder where the

1136
00:56:03,253 --> 00:56:04,973
Speaker 2: weight goes when you lose it, It comes out in

1137
00:56:05,053 --> 00:56:07,613
Speaker 2: carbon dioxide. So it's healthy to be going on the

1138
00:56:07,813 --> 00:56:08,653
Speaker 2: as Philip is.

1139
00:56:10,973 --> 00:56:19,053
Speaker 3: Mike, how you Hey, Mike, I ended up on a MAX.

1140
00:56:19,093 --> 00:56:21,773
Speaker 2: Sorry I can used to stop thinking Max. Sorry, I

1141
00:56:21,853 --> 00:56:23,973
Speaker 2: hadn't a crucial button to put you on a ear

1142
00:56:24,253 --> 00:56:26,373
Speaker 2: So can you start what you were saying from the beginning?

1143
00:56:26,373 --> 00:56:26,573
Speaker 7: Again?

1144
00:56:26,653 --> 00:56:27,133
Speaker 2: Sorry about that?

1145
00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:31,613
Speaker 8: That's all right. I ended up having to go on

1146
00:56:31,733 --> 00:56:37,493
Speaker 8: dialysis because of a misadventure. My kidneys failed, and that

1147
00:56:37,653 --> 00:56:39,493
Speaker 8: is one of the hardest things to do, to go

1148
00:56:39,573 --> 00:56:42,533
Speaker 8: on dialysis. But the thing is the people who were

1149
00:56:42,613 --> 00:56:45,133
Speaker 8: on it. I had to go into hospital to have

1150
00:56:45,213 --> 00:56:51,213
Speaker 8: a couple of operations to have h It's called a fistula,

1151
00:56:51,293 --> 00:56:52,853
Speaker 8: so you can have blood taken out of you and

1152
00:56:52,933 --> 00:56:58,813
Speaker 8: pumped back in. There were people coming in KFC for

1153
00:56:58,973 --> 00:57:02,893
Speaker 8: their family who were right in front of them, and

1154
00:57:03,013 --> 00:57:05,253
Speaker 8: they're they're because they're on the have to go onto

1155
00:57:05,373 --> 00:57:09,613
Speaker 8: dialysis or failing kidneys because of diabetes. Wow, that's where

1156
00:57:09,733 --> 00:57:14,853
Speaker 8: I disagree that they shouldn't have this paid for them. However,

1157
00:57:15,453 --> 00:57:18,093
Speaker 8: if they do have it paid for them, they have

1158
00:57:18,253 --> 00:57:21,453
Speaker 8: to stick to the regime or they get taken off it.

1159
00:57:21,573 --> 00:57:24,373
Speaker 8: And you say, right, well, you've got nowhere to go,

1160
00:57:24,573 --> 00:57:25,933
Speaker 8: so you go and do what you're going to do.

1161
00:57:26,733 --> 00:57:27,013
Speaker 3: I gues.

1162
00:57:28,653 --> 00:57:30,933
Speaker 2: But the reason why the argument for putting it on

1163
00:57:31,173 --> 00:57:35,013
Speaker 2: is not so much that I'm reading anyway, and who

1164
00:57:35,093 --> 00:57:37,253
Speaker 2: knows how it's being sold to us a humanitarian thing.

1165
00:57:37,333 --> 00:57:41,373
Speaker 2: It's more a straight financial thing where we're saying, if

1166
00:57:41,413 --> 00:57:43,373
Speaker 2: we don't put them on, then we cost us more

1167
00:57:43,533 --> 00:57:45,973
Speaker 2: down the track. If you if you see what I'm saying.

1168
00:57:45,813 --> 00:57:47,813
Speaker 3: And that's where I'm at. Genuinely, they haven't cost two

1169
00:57:47,813 --> 00:57:49,933
Speaker 3: point one billion dollars per year to have people on

1170
00:57:50,053 --> 00:57:51,893
Speaker 3: dialysis then that to me is a cost.

1171
00:57:51,773 --> 00:57:57,573
Speaker 8: Saving, well, the cost of dialysis. I ended up going

1172
00:57:57,613 --> 00:58:00,253
Speaker 8: on holiday to Fiji because I could go on dialysis

1173
00:58:00,373 --> 00:58:03,773
Speaker 8: over there, and it cost me five hundred bucks per session,

1174
00:58:04,573 --> 00:58:06,493
Speaker 8: and I had to have three sessions for the week,

1175
00:58:06,533 --> 00:58:08,133
Speaker 8: and then you had to see the doctor. So it's

1176
00:58:08,413 --> 00:58:13,213
Speaker 8: basically two grand over here because between five to eight

1177
00:58:13,333 --> 00:58:16,613
Speaker 8: hundred dollars a session, and most people have to have

1178
00:58:16,813 --> 00:58:21,333
Speaker 8: three to four sessions. So there's a huge amount of

1179
00:58:21,613 --> 00:58:25,253
Speaker 8: money being saved. So if it's going to stop them

1180
00:58:25,973 --> 00:58:29,893
Speaker 8: going on to dialysis because their diabetes has gone so

1181
00:58:30,093 --> 00:58:33,813
Speaker 8: bad that their kidneys are failed, yes it will help them,

1182
00:58:33,893 --> 00:58:36,733
Speaker 8: but only if they're going to help themselves, because there

1183
00:58:36,773 --> 00:58:39,413
Speaker 8: are a lot of people out there. I was in

1184
00:58:39,533 --> 00:58:43,573
Speaker 8: hospital three times due to whatever, and each time I

1185
00:58:43,693 --> 00:58:47,893
Speaker 8: saw families come in with KFC buckets for the patient.

1186
00:58:48,133 --> 00:58:48,733
Speaker 2: That's insane.

1187
00:58:48,933 --> 00:58:51,933
Speaker 8: I just I was just plown away and I was

1188
00:58:52,093 --> 00:58:54,413
Speaker 8: really cross enabling.

1189
00:58:54,453 --> 00:58:56,893
Speaker 2: You think that you're doing a loving thing for your family,

1190
00:58:56,973 --> 00:58:58,733
Speaker 2: but you're you know, a family member because they want

1191
00:58:58,773 --> 00:59:00,453
Speaker 2: that what are you bringing in their favorite food or whatever?

1192
00:59:00,533 --> 00:59:03,213
Speaker 2: But that's enabling and that is a terrible thing to

1193
00:59:03,253 --> 00:59:04,293
Speaker 2: do someone. How's your health now?

1194
00:59:04,413 --> 00:59:09,733
Speaker 8: Mark, though, well, I got I got a kidney just

1195
00:59:09,853 --> 00:59:13,173
Speaker 8: over a year ago. But the side effects of the

1196
00:59:13,253 --> 00:59:16,933
Speaker 8: drugs I have to have, they've given me diabetes.

1197
00:59:17,013 --> 00:59:20,333
Speaker 3: Now, oh well that is rough. It is rough.

1198
00:59:21,173 --> 00:59:24,253
Speaker 8: I'm good, but I could be better. So I've got

1199
00:59:24,333 --> 00:59:26,533
Speaker 8: to find a way around to get rid of the diabetes.

1200
00:59:26,613 --> 00:59:26,733
Speaker 1: Now.

1201
00:59:27,693 --> 00:59:29,053
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, all the.

1202
00:59:29,053 --> 00:59:31,973
Speaker 2: Best, But that's the whole thing. The balance of the

1203
00:59:32,093 --> 00:59:34,333
Speaker 2: human body, isn't it. And that's what I that's what

1204
00:59:34,493 --> 00:59:36,973
Speaker 2: I worry about this whole Let's solve every single problem

1205
00:59:37,013 --> 00:59:40,693
Speaker 2: with a pill, because it's never as simple as that.

1206
00:59:41,093 --> 00:59:44,053
Speaker 2: If you have an extreme one way, it often causes

1207
00:59:44,133 --> 00:59:46,773
Speaker 2: things that are extreme the other way. And in medicine,

1208
00:59:47,053 --> 00:59:50,453
Speaker 2: in modern medicine, things are very good in their trials

1209
00:59:50,653 --> 00:59:52,813
Speaker 2: for what they do for that specific thing that they're

1210
00:59:52,853 --> 00:59:55,333
Speaker 2: aiming at, right, But sometimes they do it so well

1211
00:59:55,373 --> 00:59:57,933
Speaker 2: in that area that it messes up other things. Very true,

1212
00:59:58,133 --> 01:00:00,733
Speaker 2: It's very complicated, right, Yeah, No such thing as a shortcut.

1213
01:00:02,133 --> 01:00:04,893
Speaker 2: Do the tribes have face masks or mouth tape? Matt,

1214
01:00:04,973 --> 01:00:08,133
Speaker 2: Look deeper into yourself, Matt, you're probably too much weight

1215
01:00:08,933 --> 01:00:11,653
Speaker 2: despite not being a beast. Yeah, that's a true point.

1216
01:00:11,653 --> 01:00:14,293
Speaker 2: I was talking about the uncontacted tribe. And then at

1217
01:00:14,333 --> 01:00:16,013
Speaker 2: the same time I was talking about how I put

1218
01:00:16,573 --> 01:00:18,693
Speaker 2: a bitter sleep mouth tape on and they do not

1219
01:00:18,773 --> 01:00:20,613
Speaker 2: disturb mask, and then those things.

1220
01:00:20,533 --> 01:00:23,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, so no, I don't think they've got mouth tape.

1221
01:00:23,293 --> 01:00:24,093
Speaker 2: They don't even have pants.

1222
01:00:24,133 --> 01:00:25,773
Speaker 3: That it's a nice rope that.

1223
01:00:25,933 --> 01:00:28,053
Speaker 2: Uncontact the drive, don't even pants, they don't have better

1224
01:00:28,093 --> 01:00:28,813
Speaker 2: sleep mouth tape.

1225
01:00:29,693 --> 01:00:32,973
Speaker 3: Thank you for those ticks. It is twenty nine to three.

1226
01:00:33,053 --> 01:00:34,773
Speaker 3: We've got the headlines coming up, but we are of

1227
01:00:34,893 --> 01:00:36,613
Speaker 3: course taking more of your calls on O eight hundred

1228
01:00:36,613 --> 01:00:37,733
Speaker 3: and eighty eighteen eighty.

1229
01:00:38,893 --> 01:00:41,253
Speaker 1: Used talk said beef headlines.

1230
01:00:40,893 --> 01:00:43,693
Speaker 13: With blue bubble taxis, it's no trouble with a blue

1231
01:00:43,773 --> 01:00:47,333
Speaker 13: bubble Meat Service predicts a month's rain could fall on

1232
01:00:47,533 --> 01:00:51,413
Speaker 13: parts of Sodern Northland and coming days heavy rain watches

1233
01:00:51,493 --> 01:00:54,533
Speaker 13: and warnings cover the region and Auckland and Coram Mandel

1234
01:00:54,853 --> 01:00:58,973
Speaker 13: until early Thursday, cutting power to some and coursing road closures.

1235
01:01:00,093 --> 01:01:03,173
Speaker 13: Multiple fire crews have extinguished a blaze in christ Church

1236
01:01:03,253 --> 01:01:07,213
Speaker 13: Hospital's powers supply room with an automatic alarm alerting fire

1237
01:01:07,293 --> 01:01:11,853
Speaker 13: and emergency just after twelve thirty eight. Fire appliances responded

1238
01:01:12,093 --> 01:01:14,773
Speaker 13: and crews took about an hour to put out the flames.

1239
01:01:15,933 --> 01:01:19,293
Speaker 13: Aukland Police says shooting in Orni Hunger on Friday was

1240
01:01:19,413 --> 01:01:22,453
Speaker 13: targeted with a group driving up in a van and

1241
01:01:22,573 --> 01:01:26,613
Speaker 13: shooting through a property's closed front door. The van's been seized,

1242
01:01:26,933 --> 01:01:29,933
Speaker 13: with police helped in their hunt by CCTV footage and

1243
01:01:30,013 --> 01:01:33,933
Speaker 13: assistance from the public. New South Wales has been rocked

1244
01:01:33,973 --> 01:01:37,333
Speaker 13: by a fourth shark attack in three days, the latest

1245
01:01:37,373 --> 01:01:39,893
Speaker 13: to serve a belief to be targeted by bull shark

1246
01:01:40,333 --> 01:01:42,253
Speaker 13: that took a large chunk out of their board and

1247
01:01:42,293 --> 01:01:45,613
Speaker 13: put them in hospital. Three others were hurt in earlier attacks.

1248
01:01:45,893 --> 01:01:50,373
Speaker 13: At least twenty Sydney beaches have been shut down. Still

1249
01:01:50,493 --> 01:01:54,053
Speaker 13: can't quite believe it. Christ Churchman wins five hundred and

1250
01:01:54,133 --> 01:01:57,373
Speaker 13: ninety nine thousand dollars house find out more at ensid

1251
01:01:57,413 --> 01:02:00,293
Speaker 13: Herald Premium are back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1252
01:02:00,453 --> 01:02:03,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Raylan's We are talking about farm

1253
01:02:03,373 --> 01:02:07,733
Speaker 3: mek investigating whether we should as taxpayers fund waste loss

1254
01:02:07,813 --> 01:02:09,813
Speaker 3: drugs for them those people who need it. Oh e

1255
01:02:09,813 --> 01:02:11,893
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1256
01:02:12,013 --> 01:02:14,173
Speaker 3: call A couple of textaments through nine two nine two

1257
01:02:14,173 --> 01:02:14,853
Speaker 3: as well, or are you.

1258
01:02:14,813 --> 01:02:16,533
Speaker 2: Talking about your muppets. There were fat people in the

1259
01:02:16,573 --> 01:02:18,973
Speaker 2: sixties and seventies. Yeah, I think everyone agrees that there

1260
01:02:18,973 --> 01:02:20,413
Speaker 2: were fat people in the sixties and seventies.

1261
01:02:20,413 --> 01:02:21,453
Speaker 3: I don't think we ever denied that.

1262
01:02:21,733 --> 01:02:24,173
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, it's fat Albert for example. Yeah, yeah,

1263
01:02:24,373 --> 01:02:26,253
Speaker 2: there were fat people in the sixties and seventies. But

1264
01:02:26,253 --> 01:02:28,013
Speaker 2: there are more fat people now. In New Zealand has

1265
01:02:28,093 --> 01:02:32,093
Speaker 2: massively gone up the obesity charts with number three in

1266
01:02:32,133 --> 01:02:36,853
Speaker 2: the OECD, after only America, United States and Mexico. Yes,

1267
01:02:37,893 --> 01:02:39,893
Speaker 2: and look, people are differently fatter than they used to be.

1268
01:02:40,493 --> 01:02:42,453
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that footage of the fattest man

1269
01:02:42,493 --> 01:02:44,693
Speaker 2: in the world in eighteen ninety People used to pay

1270
01:02:44,773 --> 01:02:46,173
Speaker 2: to go and see them. Have you seen that? I

1271
01:02:46,253 --> 01:02:48,373
Speaker 2: have seen that, and you would see someone that fat

1272
01:02:48,973 --> 01:02:49,813
Speaker 2: walking home today.

1273
01:02:49,933 --> 01:02:52,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, have you ever seen that? Go look it up.

1274
01:02:52,773 --> 01:02:55,333
Speaker 3: It will blow your mind that he was a bit

1275
01:02:55,373 --> 01:02:58,653
Speaker 3: of a show entertainment and he's not even that obese.

1276
01:02:58,933 --> 01:03:04,213
Speaker 2: His name was Chancey Moran Morland. Chancey Moreland's actually pretty

1277
01:03:04,213 --> 01:03:07,293
Speaker 2: fancy dresser. He kind of had this quite cool. I

1278
01:03:07,373 --> 01:03:09,653
Speaker 2: guess that's a show, but I wouldn't pay to see

1279
01:03:09,693 --> 01:03:10,773
Speaker 2: some on that fat now I'm wold.

1280
01:03:10,813 --> 01:03:13,253
Speaker 3: Even you get it for free, you don't have to

1281
01:03:13,293 --> 01:03:15,973
Speaker 3: look back. I's think I got them on my way there.

1282
01:03:16,533 --> 01:03:21,613
Speaker 2: God, I'm going to pay to see you, Darrel. Welcome

1283
01:03:21,613 --> 01:03:24,773
Speaker 2: to the show. Hi, how are you good? Thanks for

1284
01:03:24,893 --> 01:03:26,053
Speaker 2: calling your thoughts on all this.

1285
01:03:27,453 --> 01:03:32,333
Speaker 12: Yeah, I've been overweight all my life and I'm coming up.

1286
01:03:32,693 --> 01:03:35,733
Speaker 12: I'm retired now. But six years ago I decided I

1287
01:03:35,813 --> 01:03:38,333
Speaker 12: made a mental decision that I was going to I

1288
01:03:38,413 --> 01:03:40,693
Speaker 12: got to one hundred and thirty kilos and I decided

1289
01:03:40,733 --> 01:03:43,173
Speaker 12: I wanted to lose weight. I've done all the yo

1290
01:03:43,213 --> 01:03:45,333
Speaker 12: yo diets, weight watches and all the rest of them,

1291
01:03:45,413 --> 01:03:46,853
Speaker 12: but I decided to try Keto.

1292
01:03:47,413 --> 01:03:47,653
Speaker 7: Okay.

1293
01:03:47,693 --> 01:03:48,693
Speaker 12: The reason I did that is.

1294
01:03:48,693 --> 01:03:50,493
Speaker 7: I looked at the food and thought, well, I like

1295
01:03:50,573 --> 01:03:51,133
Speaker 7: all the food.

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Speaker 12: It's interesting because you can eat as much fat as

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01:03:54,173 --> 01:03:56,533
Speaker 12: you like and it doesn't matter. And I dropped off

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01:03:56,653 --> 01:04:00,533
Speaker 12: thirty kilos in six months. And the interesting thing is

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01:04:00,933 --> 01:04:04,653
Speaker 12: after six years, I've kept eighteen of those kilos off,

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01:04:04,693 --> 01:04:06,813
Speaker 12: So I've gone up a bit, but not to where

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Speaker 12: I was.

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01:04:07,453 --> 01:04:11,613
Speaker 2: And did you slide off the Keto diet or did

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01:04:11,733 --> 01:04:13,373
Speaker 2: you sort of keep Yeah?

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Speaker 12: I know, well I just adjusted it. I mean if

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01:04:18,933 --> 01:04:21,933
Speaker 12: you're under. It's all about carbs. You know, you forget

1306
01:04:21,973 --> 01:04:24,053
Speaker 12: to count and calories. Just count your carbs. If you

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01:04:24,053 --> 01:04:26,973
Speaker 12: can keep your carbs twenty or under per day, you'll

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01:04:27,053 --> 01:04:32,133
Speaker 12: lose weight for sure. Fifty a day unless is a maintenance.

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01:04:32,253 --> 01:04:37,493
Speaker 12: And I mean I don't go out and change my eating, absolutely,

1310
01:04:37,653 --> 01:04:40,053
Speaker 12: but I probably err on that side. You know, I

1311
01:04:40,133 --> 01:04:42,453
Speaker 12: have more salads now because I enjoy them, but I

1312
01:04:42,693 --> 01:04:45,173
Speaker 12: ate food that I really liked, and I just found

1313
01:04:45,213 --> 01:04:49,533
Speaker 12: it quite easy. Actually, I'm not saying it's for everybody,

1314
01:04:50,213 --> 01:04:52,653
Speaker 12: but I think the whole food pyramid from the fifties

1315
01:04:52,773 --> 01:04:54,973
Speaker 12: is upside down, and I believe one of the European

1316
01:04:55,053 --> 01:04:57,653
Speaker 12: countries has turned it up the other way now and said, look,

1317
01:04:57,733 --> 01:05:01,293
Speaker 12: it's actually completely wrong. But then you've just got to

1318
01:05:01,373 --> 01:05:05,493
Speaker 12: keep away from flour and bread and iatoes and that's sort.

1319
01:05:05,773 --> 01:05:07,573
Speaker 12: I mean, I still eat some potato, but a lot

1320
01:05:07,653 --> 01:05:08,293
Speaker 12: less than I used to.

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01:05:08,693 --> 01:05:11,333
Speaker 2: You know, in the eighties, mac and cheese in a

1322
01:05:11,413 --> 01:05:14,253
Speaker 2: RaRo is basically considered the best possible food for you.

1323
01:05:14,773 --> 01:05:18,533
Speaker 2: You're being healthy by having ten peanut butter sandwiches on

1324
01:05:18,613 --> 01:05:19,733
Speaker 2: white death bread, a.

1325
01:05:19,773 --> 01:05:21,053
Speaker 3: Lot of luncheon and seviloys.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I love lunch. The bread that's the problem.

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01:05:25,413 --> 01:05:29,133
Speaker 12: It's not the luncheon, you know. And I just find

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01:05:29,173 --> 01:05:30,973
Speaker 12: I ate quite a bit of meat. I ate a

1329
01:05:31,013 --> 01:05:33,693
Speaker 12: lot of salads and that sort of thing that I

1330
01:05:33,813 --> 01:05:36,493
Speaker 12: try and steer clear of anything with flour.

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01:05:36,813 --> 01:05:39,853
Speaker 2: And basically is that are you self disciplined?

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01:05:39,973 --> 01:05:40,093
Speaker 4: Is that?

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01:05:40,253 --> 01:05:40,373
Speaker 7: Is that?

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01:05:40,453 --> 01:05:40,773
Speaker 12: What it is?

1335
01:05:40,853 --> 01:05:42,253
Speaker 2: Is that discipline that's getting again?

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01:05:42,333 --> 01:05:43,573
Speaker 7: Did it well?

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01:05:43,613 --> 01:05:46,053
Speaker 12: I mean I've tried weight watches and everything, you know,

1338
01:05:46,133 --> 01:05:47,893
Speaker 12: and I've dropped a bit of weight off, nothing to

1339
01:05:47,973 --> 01:05:51,133
Speaker 12: that degree, but back on straight away as soon as

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01:05:51,173 --> 01:05:53,533
Speaker 12: I went off, you do this one, I've kept it off.

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01:05:53,693 --> 01:05:55,893
Speaker 2: Are you doing any exercise as well? Because because what

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01:05:56,013 --> 01:05:58,693
Speaker 2: I find with healthy stuff, right is once you're doing

1343
01:05:58,773 --> 01:06:01,293
Speaker 2: something healthy, you start doing more healthy stuff and it's

1344
01:06:01,293 --> 01:06:05,213
Speaker 2: sort of snowballs, but not for you. You're not doing

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01:06:05,253 --> 01:06:06,573
Speaker 2: any No.

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01:06:06,813 --> 01:06:09,933
Speaker 12: Well, I didn't change I do have a reasonably physical

1347
01:06:10,053 --> 01:06:13,133
Speaker 12: day anyway, but I didn't change that. I didn't change

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01:06:13,133 --> 01:06:15,533
Speaker 12: it up or down or anything. I just did everything

1349
01:06:15,653 --> 01:06:19,253
Speaker 12: exactly the same except what I ate now as I say,

1350
01:06:19,693 --> 01:06:22,293
Speaker 12: meat and fish and that sort of thing.

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01:06:22,493 --> 01:06:25,333
Speaker 2: Daryl, when you say you're overweight, were you obese? Do

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01:06:25,413 --> 01:06:26,773
Speaker 2: you think? I?

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01:06:27,013 --> 01:06:27,213
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:06:27,293 --> 01:06:30,733
Speaker 12: Well, I mean I'm six foot one and one hundred

1355
01:06:30,733 --> 01:06:33,373
Speaker 12: and thirty kilos and that's the best part. And I

1356
01:06:33,453 --> 01:06:37,013
Speaker 12: got down to ninety eight kilos in six months.

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01:06:37,373 --> 01:06:40,333
Speaker 2: So to circle background to the topic that we're talking

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01:06:40,373 --> 01:06:44,733
Speaker 2: about here, would you support drugs like we go the

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01:06:45,613 --> 01:06:49,213
Speaker 2: being covered by the taxpayer for obese people in New Zealand?

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01:06:50,333 --> 01:06:53,493
Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, I think there are some people that hereditary

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01:06:53,813 --> 01:06:56,453
Speaker 12: or or health you know, there will be some that

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01:06:56,613 --> 01:06:59,293
Speaker 12: need it, and maybe we partially funded. I'm not sure,

1363
01:07:00,613 --> 01:07:04,253
Speaker 12: but as the results from what I've heard, and I

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01:07:04,333 --> 01:07:06,653
Speaker 12: could be wrong, is that once you go off that drug,

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01:07:06,813 --> 01:07:07,973
Speaker 12: you just go out and eat more.

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01:07:08,653 --> 01:07:08,853
Speaker 16: Yeah.

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01:07:09,453 --> 01:07:12,333
Speaker 2: Thank if you call Darryl and good luck. Healthy choices

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01:07:12,373 --> 01:07:15,333
Speaker 2: are completely unaffordable for most? Is this text? For most?

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01:07:15,773 --> 01:07:17,653
Speaker 2: That is the biggest challenge for my family if we

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01:07:17,693 --> 01:07:20,053
Speaker 2: aren't at home is to feed a family of five

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01:07:20,653 --> 01:07:23,733
Speaker 2: good options cripple our wallet? Is that true? I think

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01:07:23,773 --> 01:07:26,013
Speaker 2: there are good options that are cheaper, definitely cheaper than

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01:07:26,813 --> 01:07:27,773
Speaker 2: mass junk food.

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01:07:28,053 --> 01:07:30,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I will. I think it's harder to find those.

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01:07:30,813 --> 01:07:32,213
Speaker 3: I mean, people will come and ever go at me

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01:07:32,253 --> 01:07:34,453
Speaker 3: and please do nine two nine to two. But people

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01:07:34,453 --> 01:07:37,133
Speaker 3: are time poor and if you go to the supermarket,

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01:07:37,893 --> 01:07:40,573
Speaker 3: let me rephrase that. I think some options at the

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01:07:40,653 --> 01:07:44,653
Speaker 3: supermarket are marketed as healthy, and clearly they are, so

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01:07:44,733 --> 01:07:47,373
Speaker 3: there's confusion there. You know the old health star rating.

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01:07:47,653 --> 01:07:50,693
Speaker 3: That's a bunch of bogus, isn't it. You know when

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01:07:50,693 --> 01:07:55,373
Speaker 3: you get a grain wave chippies that are four stars

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01:07:55,413 --> 01:07:55,893
Speaker 3: out of five?

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01:07:56,173 --> 01:07:56,413
Speaker 12: Are they?

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01:07:56,653 --> 01:07:56,853
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:07:57,613 --> 01:07:57,933
Speaker 3: Clearly?

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01:07:58,173 --> 01:08:00,293
Speaker 2: Like I know, it's multi grain and there's probably some

1388
01:08:00,373 --> 01:08:03,173
Speaker 2: good stuff in there, but it gets harder and harder

1389
01:08:03,213 --> 01:08:03,773
Speaker 2: to figure out.

1390
01:08:03,893 --> 01:08:07,093
Speaker 3: Okay, is this packaged product good for you? Nine times

1391
01:08:07,133 --> 01:08:09,213
Speaker 3: out of ten? It's not because it's a process, but

1392
01:08:09,333 --> 01:08:11,053
Speaker 3: it gets harder to find the fresh stuff.

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01:08:11,053 --> 01:08:12,573
Speaker 2: If you get what I mean. I mean, granted, you

1394
01:08:12,613 --> 01:08:14,693
Speaker 2: can go to the VIGI. I'll get your vegs, cook

1395
01:08:14,693 --> 01:08:15,213
Speaker 2: it up yourself.

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01:08:15,293 --> 01:08:15,813
Speaker 3: I understand.

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01:08:15,853 --> 01:08:16,013
Speaker 16: Man.

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01:08:16,173 --> 01:08:18,933
Speaker 2: Man, a bag of carrots isn't very expensive, Yeah, but

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01:08:19,013 --> 01:08:21,773
Speaker 2: it tastes kuma. Yeah. You know what do you put on?

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01:08:22,013 --> 01:08:27,333
Speaker 2: Just raw carrots to spice it up, but a salt

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01:08:27,492 --> 01:08:29,852
Speaker 2: paper and go for gold. You'll be healthy. I just

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01:08:29,933 --> 01:08:34,372
Speaker 2: spice it up with caveats. Hi, guys, I disagreeze that

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01:08:34,372 --> 01:08:37,333
Speaker 2: it will save money in the long run subsidizing these

1404
01:08:37,612 --> 01:08:40,852
Speaker 2: fat drugs. A lot of people live in the here

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01:08:40,933 --> 01:08:43,333
Speaker 2: and now I e. They will gorge themselves now if

1406
01:08:43,372 --> 01:08:45,213
Speaker 2: they know they can take a pearl to fix it later.

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01:08:45,333 --> 01:08:48,932
Speaker 2: Hence we will end up with more overweight people. Cheers Alex. Yeah,

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01:08:49,013 --> 01:08:50,612
Speaker 2: because there is that. The kind of thing thinking you

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01:08:50,732 --> 01:08:53,532
Speaker 2: have is like I'll just go hard and then when

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01:08:53,572 --> 01:08:55,893
Speaker 2: I get I'll just get the government to pay for

1411
01:08:55,933 --> 01:08:56,892
Speaker 2: a pearl and it'll saw me out.

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01:08:57,133 --> 01:08:59,093
Speaker 3: That will be the problem I mean we had, was

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01:08:59,133 --> 01:09:02,372
Speaker 3: it Marcus before talking about KFC and the dialysis would

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01:09:02,692 --> 01:09:04,293
Speaker 3: there will be a lot of people in that camp,

1415
01:09:04,372 --> 01:09:06,133
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. Say, hat's all right. I can

1416
01:09:06,173 --> 01:09:09,452
Speaker 3: eat KFC even though my live is given out because

1417
01:09:10,093 --> 01:09:11,492
Speaker 3: the government will give me a drug for free.

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01:09:12,133 --> 01:09:13,973
Speaker 2: There are people that will smoke a cigarette through that

1419
01:09:14,093 --> 01:09:17,092
Speaker 2: hole in your throat that you know, when your throat's gone.

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01:09:16,893 --> 01:09:20,372
Speaker 3: And you have tom don't the button just be It's

1421
01:09:20,372 --> 01:09:21,692
Speaker 3: a hell of a look, isn't it. I had an

1422
01:09:21,772 --> 01:09:24,732
Speaker 3: uncle that had the button button.

1423
01:09:24,772 --> 01:09:28,213
Speaker 2: But then there's well, there's the people that will smoke

1424
01:09:28,253 --> 01:09:30,053
Speaker 2: a cigarette through the hole in their neck. It's a

1425
01:09:30,093 --> 01:09:33,213
Speaker 2: hell of a drug. Nicotine A right, it's seventeen to three.

1426
01:09:33,333 --> 01:09:34,972
Speaker 2: Taking more of your calls, Oh, eight hundred and eighty

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01:09:34,973 --> 01:09:37,972
Speaker 2: ten eighty is that number to call madd Heath.

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01:09:38,093 --> 01:09:41,133
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on mad

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01:09:41,293 --> 01:09:44,452
Speaker 1: Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks said B.

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01:09:44,772 --> 01:09:46,852
Speaker 3: News Talks head be it's quarter to three tylers.

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01:09:46,973 --> 01:09:48,772
Speaker 2: Is this texture? I think that you'll find that the

1432
01:09:48,853 --> 01:09:51,572
Speaker 2: staff rating on food relates to the category that it's in.

1433
01:09:51,772 --> 01:09:54,052
Speaker 2: Grain waves are four out of five and the chip category,

1434
01:09:54,093 --> 01:09:56,972
Speaker 2: whereas other chips might be three to five. So grain

1435
01:09:57,013 --> 01:09:59,932
Speaker 2: waves are healthier. They aren't just on one scale for everything.

1436
01:10:00,492 --> 01:10:01,892
Speaker 2: Is that true? I don't know. Actually I should look

1437
01:10:01,933 --> 01:10:03,972
Speaker 2: into it. So grain waves aren't on the carrot scale.

1438
01:10:04,372 --> 01:10:06,692
Speaker 3: No, if you measu your grain waves, it's a carrots.

1439
01:10:07,013 --> 01:10:09,293
Speaker 3: I'm sure carrots will come out far on top. But

1440
01:10:09,372 --> 01:10:10,452
Speaker 3: thank you for that. We'll look into that.

1441
01:10:11,372 --> 01:10:15,053
Speaker 2: Tom. Welcome to show your thoughts on the funding of

1442
01:10:15,093 --> 01:10:15,972
Speaker 2: obesity drugs.

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01:10:16,772 --> 01:10:21,652
Speaker 19: A good afternoon, guys. Well, I'm not exactly for it.

1444
01:10:21,772 --> 01:10:25,213
Speaker 19: And you know, obviously, you know they do say, you know,

1445
01:10:25,372 --> 01:10:28,133
Speaker 19: we are what we eat, and obviously lots of things

1446
01:10:28,253 --> 01:10:31,013
Speaker 19: out there are bed for us. I mean, I've got

1447
01:10:31,013 --> 01:10:34,333
Speaker 19: a new, relatively new partner and she doesn't eat any meat,

1448
01:10:34,452 --> 01:10:37,812
Speaker 19: and she's a little bit older than myself, and you know,

1449
01:10:37,933 --> 01:10:39,532
Speaker 19: when I go to give her a hug, I can

1450
01:10:39,612 --> 01:10:43,692
Speaker 19: basically wreck my arms around her. But I've also got

1451
01:10:43,772 --> 01:10:49,412
Speaker 19: my younger brother. He's he's obeate, he's obese, he's a

1452
01:10:49,532 --> 01:10:52,932
Speaker 19: very big boy. But I don't think she'd be into

1453
01:10:53,053 --> 01:10:56,212
Speaker 19: something like that. I mean, obviously there'll be side effects,

1454
01:10:57,452 --> 01:11:00,293
Speaker 19: possibly good and bed effects to it, but you know

1455
01:11:00,452 --> 01:11:03,772
Speaker 19: everything that you've got to do things and moderation. You know,

1456
01:11:03,973 --> 01:11:09,572
Speaker 19: I exercise, like I've started eating more vegetable probably than

1457
01:11:09,612 --> 01:11:13,052
Speaker 19: I ever have before, and just doing the basic things

1458
01:11:13,133 --> 01:11:16,692
Speaker 19: really like drinking a lot more Kiwi fruit juice and

1459
01:11:16,812 --> 01:11:20,293
Speaker 19: those sorts of things. But you know, everything's got bad

1460
01:11:20,412 --> 01:11:23,892
Speaker 19: things and sugar in it, so it's just like a moderation.

1461
01:11:24,013 --> 01:11:27,133
Speaker 19: It's like what you were saying before about the cigarettes.

1462
01:11:27,612 --> 01:11:31,252
Speaker 19: I've got a well, I've just recently terminated a friendship

1463
01:11:31,293 --> 01:11:33,333
Speaker 19: for twenty five years because I've got a friend and

1464
01:11:33,452 --> 01:11:36,133
Speaker 19: he smokes, and you buy him a packet of the

1465
01:11:36,213 --> 01:11:39,852
Speaker 19: twenties and he'll destroy them in two hours, and he's

1466
01:11:39,893 --> 01:11:43,012
Speaker 19: got eleven eleven stents in them and a pace maker.

1467
01:11:43,173 --> 01:11:47,053
Speaker 19: So it's like, well, mate, you know, you either want

1468
01:11:47,053 --> 01:11:49,333
Speaker 19: to live or you want to die, So I just

1469
01:11:49,452 --> 01:11:52,692
Speaker 19: can't subscribe to that. So you've got to make the changes.

1470
01:11:53,053 --> 01:11:55,612
Speaker 19: And I don't think it's up to the system to

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01:11:55,973 --> 01:12:00,173
Speaker 19: help you out. It's it's not our fault that you

1472
01:12:00,452 --> 01:12:02,293
Speaker 19: you are that way. It come just comes down to,

1473
01:12:02,412 --> 01:12:05,492
Speaker 19: I think, to choice. Really, it's just common common sense.

1474
01:12:05,612 --> 01:12:07,772
Speaker 2: Really, at the end of the day, I think, thank

1475
01:12:07,812 --> 01:12:08,492
Speaker 2: you you called.

1476
01:12:08,853 --> 01:12:11,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting point. I mean there's a few texts coming

1477
01:12:11,572 --> 01:12:14,372
Speaker 3: through talking about smoking and vaping as well, and that

1478
01:12:14,532 --> 01:12:17,173
Speaker 3: is fair point. And look, I'm a vapor myself. But

1479
01:12:17,293 --> 01:12:20,012
Speaker 3: I think the difference here is when it is life

1480
01:12:20,093 --> 01:12:23,093
Speaker 3: and death and you get something like cancer, of course

1481
01:12:23,173 --> 01:12:25,133
Speaker 3: the health system is going to look after you. What

1482
01:12:25,253 --> 01:12:28,893
Speaker 3: we're talking about here is preventative medication, so we're go

1483
01:12:29,133 --> 01:12:33,933
Speaker 3: v is designed to reduce obesity before you get to

1484
01:12:34,013 --> 01:12:36,173
Speaker 3: that life threatening stage. But that's not the way the

1485
01:12:36,213 --> 01:12:38,652
Speaker 3: health system works. The health system is the bottom of

1486
01:12:38,732 --> 01:12:40,572
Speaker 3: the ambulance, at the bottom of the cliff. That is

1487
01:12:40,612 --> 01:12:43,173
Speaker 3: the health system we've got. So that's the difference here

1488
01:12:43,372 --> 01:12:47,333
Speaker 3: that if we start funding preventative drugs that are on

1489
01:12:47,452 --> 01:12:49,053
Speaker 3: the market, that to me is a bit of a

1490
01:12:49,093 --> 01:12:52,813
Speaker 3: slippery slope that where do we stop there? Because preventative

1491
01:12:53,532 --> 01:12:56,572
Speaker 3: by its very nature is personal responsibility. We've all got

1492
01:12:56,612 --> 01:12:59,133
Speaker 3: those options we can do. But yes, if you get

1493
01:12:59,333 --> 01:13:01,932
Speaker 3: very sick because you're obese and you're starting to die,

1494
01:13:02,053 --> 01:13:05,253
Speaker 3: the health system will look after you as it should. Yeah.

1495
01:13:05,452 --> 01:13:07,933
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the thing is that we're spending more

1496
01:13:07,973 --> 01:13:10,412
Speaker 2: and more money on health. It seems like no matter

1497
01:13:10,492 --> 01:13:12,572
Speaker 2: how much we throw at it, it's more expensive. It

1498
01:13:12,893 --> 01:13:14,492
Speaker 2: costs more and more and more more, and the results

1499
01:13:14,572 --> 01:13:16,012
Speaker 2: get worse and worse and worse and worse and worse.

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01:13:16,093 --> 01:13:16,213
Speaker 12: Right.

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01:13:16,372 --> 01:13:19,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the idea of funding these drugs, which to

1502
01:13:20,013 --> 01:13:22,293
Speaker 2: me I don't really agree with because I've just got

1503
01:13:22,412 --> 01:13:24,333
Speaker 2: to I just think this idea that we can solve

1504
01:13:24,372 --> 01:13:26,772
Speaker 2: every problem in the world with a pill is I

1505
01:13:26,853 --> 01:13:30,852
Speaker 2: think there's side effects. To me, it's like bringing a

1506
01:13:31,412 --> 01:13:35,612
Speaker 2: stoton to deal with the rabbit problem. You know, maybe

1507
01:13:35,652 --> 01:13:37,933
Speaker 2: that's a bad example. Let's think about it. You know,

1508
01:13:38,093 --> 01:13:40,492
Speaker 2: bringing in a you know, when you bring an invasive

1509
01:13:40,492 --> 01:13:42,452
Speaker 2: species in to try and solve another problem, you know,

1510
01:13:42,692 --> 01:13:44,293
Speaker 2: it always causes another problem.

1511
01:13:44,412 --> 01:13:46,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we know that firsthand in New Zealand.

1512
01:13:46,652 --> 01:13:48,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the idea for this is that we've only

1513
01:13:48,692 --> 01:13:50,412
Speaker 2: got so much money and we already don't have enough

1514
01:13:50,412 --> 01:13:54,572
Speaker 2: money to cover our health system, and obesity is the biggest,

1515
01:13:55,213 --> 01:13:58,492
Speaker 2: biggest problem in our house system. Dealing with the health

1516
01:13:58,532 --> 01:14:01,452
Speaker 2: effects of obesity is costing us so much money. So

1517
01:14:01,652 --> 01:14:04,133
Speaker 2: someone's going, well, what if we just threw a pill

1518
01:14:04,213 --> 01:14:06,492
Speaker 2: at that so there were less obese people, then it

1519
01:14:06,572 --> 01:14:09,572
Speaker 2: might cost us four hundred and sixty nine dollars a month.

1520
01:14:09,973 --> 01:14:11,612
Speaker 2: What is it four hundred and fifty nine to ninety

1521
01:14:11,652 --> 01:14:14,253
Speaker 2: five a month for each of these people, But it's

1522
01:14:14,293 --> 01:14:17,213
Speaker 2: not going to cost us fifty thousand dealing with their

1523
01:14:17,253 --> 01:14:19,092
Speaker 2: problem later on, right, because.

1524
01:14:18,853 --> 01:14:19,412
Speaker 3: When do you stop?

1525
01:14:19,612 --> 01:14:22,372
Speaker 2: That's the idea, but as I said before, it doesn't

1526
01:14:22,372 --> 01:14:24,772
Speaker 2: seem to really solve the underlying problem.

1527
01:14:24,933 --> 01:14:27,052
Speaker 3: We're going to take a few more calls very shortly.

1528
01:14:27,133 --> 01:14:30,412
Speaker 3: It is ten to three. Back in a moment, the

1529
01:14:30,572 --> 01:14:31,893
Speaker 3: issues that affect.

1530
01:14:31,572 --> 01:14:33,932
Speaker 1: You, and a bit of fun along the way. Matt

1531
01:14:34,013 --> 01:14:37,612
Speaker 1: Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSBB.

1532
01:14:38,893 --> 01:14:41,652
Speaker 3: News Talks THEREB it is seven to three, So we're

1533
01:14:41,652 --> 01:14:46,333
Speaker 3: talking about farm mac investigating the potential of the taxpayer funding.

1534
01:14:46,532 --> 01:14:48,333
Speaker 3: We go, Vid, do you think that's a good idea

1535
01:14:48,412 --> 01:14:50,532
Speaker 3: or is it about personal responsibility? Are you lower?

1536
01:14:52,133 --> 01:14:52,652
Speaker 16: I'm good?

1537
01:14:52,812 --> 01:14:55,372
Speaker 7: Thanks, what a great topic. You've had this afternoon.

1538
01:14:55,732 --> 01:14:56,452
Speaker 3: It's been a good chain.

1539
01:14:56,692 --> 01:15:00,652
Speaker 4: I'd spoke to the nineteen fifties and sixties when you

1540
01:15:00,772 --> 01:15:05,732
Speaker 4: have breakfast and you had a centimeter of fat while

1541
01:15:05,853 --> 01:15:08,173
Speaker 4: dripping in the frying pan, and you put in a

1542
01:15:08,372 --> 01:15:10,972
Speaker 4: couple of eggs. You had just a cup of slices

1543
01:15:10,973 --> 01:15:13,972
Speaker 4: of bacon. You had bubble and squat, that's.

1544
01:15:13,772 --> 01:15:15,252
Speaker 7: All the vegetables left.

1545
01:15:15,093 --> 01:15:19,372
Speaker 4: Over and fried up in another braying pan, and you

1546
01:15:19,532 --> 01:15:22,293
Speaker 4: had a slice of toast with the eggs on top

1547
01:15:22,532 --> 01:15:26,772
Speaker 4: and some plush tomatoes which came out of the garden.

1548
01:15:27,452 --> 01:15:31,173
Speaker 4: And it was a healthy diet. And we used to

1549
01:15:31,333 --> 01:15:35,612
Speaker 4: have We didn't have lamb. We had lamb at Christmas

1550
01:15:35,692 --> 01:15:39,133
Speaker 4: time because it was very expensive. We had hog, which

1551
01:15:39,213 --> 01:15:42,372
Speaker 4: had more fat on it, and so people would have

1552
01:15:42,692 --> 01:15:47,412
Speaker 4: vegetables with chops. We'd have liver and bacon with mashed

1553
01:15:47,452 --> 01:15:52,973
Speaker 4: potatoes and vegetables. We'd also have tripe with tripe and

1554
01:15:53,093 --> 01:15:57,493
Speaker 4: onions all done up. And you'd have like steam puddings

1555
01:15:58,293 --> 01:16:01,932
Speaker 4: or custard, or we had seameal custard and that's gone.

1556
01:16:03,053 --> 01:16:04,412
Speaker 4: You can't get that anymore.

1557
01:16:05,053 --> 01:16:08,013
Speaker 7: But you know, we had proper food and.

1558
01:16:09,732 --> 01:16:13,892
Speaker 4: Butter was in biscuits and cakes and on toast and everything,

1559
01:16:14,532 --> 01:16:17,932
Speaker 4: and this was a healthy diet. All this has gone now.

1560
01:16:18,293 --> 01:16:21,412
Speaker 4: You know, when do people have liver and bacon? When

1561
01:16:21,492 --> 01:16:24,412
Speaker 4: do they have trip you know what I mean a

1562
01:16:24,492 --> 01:16:26,973
Speaker 4: lot of people have never tasted it. So you know,

1563
01:16:27,093 --> 01:16:30,532
Speaker 4: I mean I didn't used to like liver because we

1564
01:16:30,692 --> 01:16:34,973
Speaker 4: had lambs liver, but I always used cars liver and

1565
01:16:35,253 --> 01:16:39,492
Speaker 4: so yeah, and do it up with bacon and oxo cubes.

1566
01:16:39,572 --> 01:16:40,612
Speaker 16: My kids used to have.

1567
01:16:40,772 --> 01:16:43,732
Speaker 7: The gravy, but they didn't used to like the liver.

1568
01:16:44,372 --> 01:16:47,532
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean, you got the iron

1569
01:16:47,692 --> 01:16:51,612
Speaker 4: from that, and you had fruit trees around and you

1570
01:16:51,772 --> 01:16:55,893
Speaker 4: had properly ripened fruit, and all this has changed. We

1571
01:16:56,093 --> 01:17:02,532
Speaker 4: have short term everything now. From wheat, it's shorter, it's

1572
01:17:02,692 --> 01:17:05,572
Speaker 4: not all like it used to be. The milk has

1573
01:17:05,692 --> 01:17:09,492
Speaker 4: been destroyed, the fat pots so your balls have been

1574
01:17:09,612 --> 01:17:12,213
Speaker 4: broken and they end up on your for reasons.

1575
01:17:12,652 --> 01:17:12,812
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1576
01:17:12,933 --> 01:17:16,692
Speaker 2: Well, Lola says, bring back the ho liver and tripe diet.

1577
01:17:16,893 --> 01:17:19,532
Speaker 2: Nothing nothing wrong with answering the thing. I mean that

1578
01:17:19,652 --> 01:17:22,372
Speaker 2: the big the big equation is this is how sugar

1579
01:17:22,412 --> 01:17:25,253
Speaker 2: processing became so much cheaper. And then there's the corn

1580
01:17:25,372 --> 01:17:28,213
Speaker 2: syrup sugar and the fruit cos and it just became

1581
01:17:28,652 --> 01:17:32,693
Speaker 2: so cheap to punch pumped so much sugar into products

1582
01:17:33,412 --> 01:17:36,492
Speaker 2: that was actually cheaper to bulk up things with sugar.

1583
01:17:36,572 --> 01:17:38,772
Speaker 2: That's then then without having sugar in it, and that

1584
01:17:38,933 --> 01:17:42,053
Speaker 2: makes people want more sugar. So all these foods, these

1585
01:17:42,133 --> 01:17:44,052
Speaker 2: diets that seemed back in the day to be crazy

1586
01:17:44,093 --> 01:17:47,932
Speaker 2: people slamming pipelts, they were, you know, lard on toast, yeah,

1587
01:17:49,333 --> 01:17:52,893
Speaker 2: hog it up the wazoo, liver everywhere, you know, just

1588
01:17:53,093 --> 01:17:54,132
Speaker 2: rolling around and tripe.

1589
01:17:54,253 --> 01:17:54,412
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1590
01:17:55,612 --> 01:17:57,173
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, you could eat a lot.

1591
01:17:57,333 --> 01:17:58,253
Speaker 3: It was still real food.

1592
01:17:58,372 --> 01:18:00,412
Speaker 2: It was still real food. It was still whole foods.

1593
01:18:00,532 --> 01:18:00,732
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1594
01:18:00,853 --> 01:18:01,053
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1595
01:18:01,853 --> 01:18:04,173
Speaker 2: So anyway, I don't know if we solved the question

1596
01:18:04,333 --> 01:18:07,892
Speaker 2: around the funding of wagov or not. Do you think

1597
01:18:07,893 --> 01:18:10,133
Speaker 2: we did? Ah, No, I don't think we did. But

1598
01:18:10,173 --> 01:18:12,892
Speaker 2: we'll see what farm Megger comes out with. I think

1599
01:18:12,933 --> 01:18:15,692
Speaker 2: it's fair to say, don't tell me. We ended up

1600
01:18:15,692 --> 01:18:16,892
Speaker 2: in a mess of gray area again.

1601
01:18:17,133 --> 01:18:19,892
Speaker 3: Again, mate, again, We've done it again. Right, good discussion,

1602
01:18:19,933 --> 01:18:22,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, because we're going to change up

1603
01:18:22,412 --> 01:18:26,333
Speaker 3: After three o'clock. Matt has had enough of rewards programs.

1604
01:18:26,492 --> 01:18:28,772
Speaker 3: He's out and are you with him? We want to

1605
01:18:28,812 --> 01:18:30,852
Speaker 3: hear from you. Oh eight one hundred and eighteen eighty.

1606
01:18:30,933 --> 01:18:33,213
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go and slam some tripe, a

1607
01:18:33,293 --> 01:18:34,013
Speaker 3: bit of lambs fry.

1608
01:18:35,652 --> 01:18:37,852
Speaker 2: You're dripping, God, I love dripping.

1609
01:18:37,933 --> 01:18:38,812
Speaker 3: Oh so good news.

1610
01:18:38,933 --> 01:18:45,133
Speaker 1: Next, your new homes are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's

1611
01:18:45,333 --> 01:18:50,333
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk Sebby Very

1612
01:18:50,372 --> 01:18:51,012
Speaker 1: good Afternoons.

1613
01:18:51,053 --> 01:18:53,612
Speaker 3: You welcome back into the show. Awesome to have you

1614
01:18:53,772 --> 01:18:57,452
Speaker 3: listening as always. So we're going to change tech over

1615
01:18:57,532 --> 01:19:00,333
Speaker 3: the next fifteen minutes or so. It's something dear to

1616
01:19:00,973 --> 01:19:01,812
Speaker 3: your heart.

1617
01:19:01,973 --> 01:19:02,133
Speaker 20: Man.

1618
01:19:02,652 --> 01:19:04,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have been talking to a lot of people

1619
01:19:05,053 --> 01:19:08,652
Speaker 2: over the break about this and I've experienced a lot

1620
01:19:08,652 --> 01:19:12,972
Speaker 2: of hardship in this area. And it's rewards deals, rewards cards.

1621
01:19:13,772 --> 01:19:15,293
Speaker 3: You've got a problem with rewards program.

1622
01:19:15,412 --> 01:19:18,452
Speaker 2: You go into a service station to pay for your

1623
01:19:18,492 --> 01:19:20,852
Speaker 2: gas and they go, oh, have you got your card?

1624
01:19:20,933 --> 01:19:24,572
Speaker 2: And you go, no, I downloaded the app. You go

1625
01:19:24,692 --> 01:19:29,093
Speaker 2: to the app, once your password, you swipe it. You

1626
01:19:29,133 --> 01:19:30,852
Speaker 2: don't know what you get from it. The next thing

1627
01:19:30,893 --> 01:19:32,172
Speaker 2: you know, you're getting a thousand emails.

1628
01:19:32,333 --> 01:19:34,532
Speaker 3: Yep, you're missing out on the two cents off a

1629
01:19:34,612 --> 01:19:38,412
Speaker 3: leader on your fuel or your cheap cheeseberrier at McDonald's.

1630
01:19:38,652 --> 01:19:41,932
Speaker 2: So the rules, I'm off. No more rewards cards. I'm

1631
01:19:41,973 --> 01:19:44,692
Speaker 2: completely off. I don't want I don't even want to

1632
01:19:44,772 --> 01:19:48,532
Speaker 2: collect stamps to get free sushi or stamps to get

1633
01:19:48,532 --> 01:19:50,933
Speaker 2: a free coffee. Oh mate, I don't want anything to

1634
01:19:51,013 --> 01:19:53,532
Speaker 2: do with any of that. It's admin. It's admin. It's

1635
01:19:53,532 --> 01:19:57,133
Speaker 2: trying to tie you into that particular company, or it's

1636
01:19:57,253 --> 01:20:01,652
Speaker 2: trying to rinse you for your information. So you fill

1637
01:20:01,692 --> 01:20:04,572
Speaker 2: out this detail for your rewards card thing on the app,

1638
01:20:04,973 --> 01:20:06,612
Speaker 2: or you fill it out in the system, or they go,

1639
01:20:07,213 --> 01:20:09,893
Speaker 2: can we just get your email address to send you

1640
01:20:09,973 --> 01:20:14,372
Speaker 2: your receipt. They're they're rinsing you for your information. I

1641
01:20:14,412 --> 01:20:17,572
Speaker 2: don't want the fifteen dollars in two years from this.

1642
01:20:18,412 --> 01:20:21,732
Speaker 2: I just want to go into a shop and buy something.

1643
01:20:22,093 --> 01:20:23,892
Speaker 2: So if I go to pull up at a service station,

1644
01:20:24,013 --> 01:20:28,732
Speaker 2: it's just because it's the most recent annoying rewards program

1645
01:20:29,133 --> 01:20:31,732
Speaker 2: incident I had. So I don't want to particularly put

1646
01:20:31,772 --> 01:20:35,692
Speaker 2: the boot into to the fine people in the oil.

1647
01:20:35,532 --> 01:20:37,892
Speaker 3: Industry, hard workers.

1648
01:20:37,973 --> 01:20:40,572
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with the service stations in general.

1649
01:20:40,572 --> 01:20:41,013
Speaker 3: I love them.

1650
01:20:41,093 --> 01:20:43,452
Speaker 2: I love pulling in, I love getting the snacks, I

1651
01:20:43,532 --> 01:20:44,732
Speaker 2: love buying an energy drink.

1652
01:20:44,772 --> 01:20:45,333
Speaker 3: It's a good time.

1653
01:20:45,412 --> 01:20:49,173
Speaker 2: I love getting a Monster along with my with my

1654
01:20:49,173 --> 01:20:52,412
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollars worth of ninety five. But

1655
01:20:53,013 --> 01:20:56,532
Speaker 2: what I don't want is to get involved with the

1656
01:20:56,612 --> 01:20:59,732
Speaker 2: whole rewards card system. I just don't want anything to

1657
01:20:59,772 --> 01:21:00,973
Speaker 2: do with it. I want to pay one hundred and

1658
01:21:01,013 --> 01:21:03,173
Speaker 2: fifty dollars for the gas and whatever my Monster energy

1659
01:21:03,293 --> 01:21:04,692
Speaker 2: drink costs and get the hell out of there. I

1660
01:21:04,692 --> 01:21:06,972
Speaker 2: don't want to give you any more information. I don't

1661
01:21:06,973 --> 01:21:08,572
Speaker 2: want anything to do with that, So I'm out. I'm

1662
01:21:08,893 --> 01:21:10,253
Speaker 2: one hundred percent out of rewards.

1663
01:21:10,492 --> 01:21:11,572
Speaker 3: Does it not upset you though?

1664
01:21:11,612 --> 01:21:11,692
Speaker 16: There?

1665
01:21:11,692 --> 01:21:14,492
Speaker 3: If you go into a verious supermarket and you can

1666
01:21:14,572 --> 01:21:16,452
Speaker 3: see the product that you want and it's got the

1667
01:21:16,492 --> 01:21:19,892
Speaker 3: two stickers there. One says regular price, the one sees

1668
01:21:19,973 --> 01:21:22,612
Speaker 3: the club special, and you say, well, I don't want

1669
01:21:22,612 --> 01:21:23,572
Speaker 3: to pay next for two bucks.

1670
01:21:23,612 --> 01:21:25,293
Speaker 2: I'll pay extra to not be part of your club.

1671
01:21:25,893 --> 01:21:27,173
Speaker 2: I don't want to be part of your club. I

1672
01:21:27,253 --> 01:21:29,572
Speaker 2: don't care. I would rather pay more and not be

1673
01:21:29,652 --> 01:21:31,772
Speaker 2: part of your stupid club. Will you start emailing me

1674
01:21:31,812 --> 01:21:33,772
Speaker 2: and I have to have a card, And then and

1675
01:21:33,812 --> 01:21:35,612
Speaker 2: then you're sort of shamed at the thing is here,

1676
01:21:35,652 --> 01:21:37,732
Speaker 2: have you got? Have you got your whatever they're calling

1677
01:21:37,772 --> 01:21:39,732
Speaker 2: it card and you're like, no, I don't I'm all

1678
01:21:39,772 --> 01:21:42,412
Speaker 2: for it. Are you a member of the something something program?

1679
01:21:42,612 --> 01:21:43,093
Speaker 3: No, I'm not.

1680
01:21:44,093 --> 01:21:48,973
Speaker 2: You know, I'm buying a pair of five pack of

1681
01:21:49,093 --> 01:21:52,333
Speaker 2: Undies Hub at the counter. They're like, are you a

1682
01:21:52,372 --> 01:21:53,092
Speaker 2: member our program?

1683
01:21:53,213 --> 01:21:53,253
Speaker 16: No?

1684
01:21:53,652 --> 01:21:55,532
Speaker 2: I don't want to be. I just want to I

1685
01:21:55,612 --> 01:21:57,213
Speaker 2: want to have a nice chat with you, because I

1686
01:21:57,293 --> 01:22:01,412
Speaker 2: do like talking to hospital people, I mean and retail people.

1687
01:22:01,452 --> 01:22:02,572
Speaker 2: I like to have a chat. I don't want to

1688
01:22:02,612 --> 01:22:06,853
Speaker 2: waste the crucial interaction time with you having to awkwardly

1689
01:22:06,933 --> 01:22:08,692
Speaker 2: trying to sign me up. And that's the other part

1690
01:22:08,732 --> 01:22:10,853
Speaker 2: of it. The person find the counter has to awkwardly

1691
01:22:11,173 --> 01:22:14,692
Speaker 2: engineer the whole conversation towards signing you up, rather than

1692
01:22:14,772 --> 01:22:17,213
Speaker 2: just going You've made a great choice on this five

1693
01:22:17,372 --> 01:22:21,052
Speaker 2: pack of multicolored Rio Undi's mate, oh on one hundred

1694
01:22:21,053 --> 01:22:23,413
Speaker 2: and eighty ten, Eady, you're on the Matt Heath bamwagon

1695
01:22:23,452 --> 01:22:24,492
Speaker 2: with the rewards programs.

1696
01:22:24,652 --> 01:22:26,173
Speaker 3: I mean, it is ever at the moment, but I've

1697
01:22:26,173 --> 01:22:28,012
Speaker 3: got to say, mate, I'm all for it. I don't

1698
01:22:28,053 --> 01:22:30,692
Speaker 3: mind that. If I'm going to get my dog food

1699
01:22:30,732 --> 01:22:33,532
Speaker 3: at the local pit store and they say if you

1700
01:22:33,612 --> 01:22:35,612
Speaker 3: sign on to our club program, you can get twenty

1701
01:22:35,652 --> 01:22:37,973
Speaker 3: percent off this month. I'm like, yeah, give me that

1702
01:22:38,053 --> 01:22:41,093
Speaker 3: twenty percent off. Yes, they slam me with the emails. Yes,

1703
01:22:41,173 --> 01:22:43,053
Speaker 3: they've got my phone number, they can find out all

1704
01:22:43,093 --> 01:22:45,692
Speaker 3: the other bits of information. But I'm a sucker for

1705
01:22:45,772 --> 01:22:46,173
Speaker 3: a bargain.

1706
01:22:46,293 --> 01:22:51,333
Speaker 2: You're selling, they're selling your anonymity to and they're trying

1707
01:22:51,372 --> 01:22:55,093
Speaker 2: to buy your They're trying to they're trying to grab

1708
01:22:55,173 --> 01:22:59,692
Speaker 2: your exclusivity to their brand. So you know, over time,

1709
01:22:59,772 --> 01:23:03,532
Speaker 2: you're suddenly driving an extra ten k to get to

1710
01:23:03,652 --> 01:23:07,093
Speaker 2: the whatever service station has the particular rewards program that

1711
01:23:07,133 --> 01:23:09,133
Speaker 2: you've started to buy into. That is a fair point,

1712
01:23:09,253 --> 01:23:11,932
Speaker 2: Paula says, can we talk about the reward system please?

1713
01:23:12,772 --> 01:23:15,652
Speaker 2: We are not just the hassle, but the full public

1714
01:23:15,692 --> 01:23:17,572
Speaker 2: performance that comes with it. You get to the counter

1715
01:23:17,692 --> 01:23:20,612
Speaker 2: and they ask are you on our award system? Then

1716
01:23:20,692 --> 01:23:23,133
Speaker 2: what's your phone number, which they yell back to you.

1717
01:23:23,692 --> 01:23:26,572
Speaker 2: Then they yell your name and your address out. At

1718
01:23:26,612 --> 01:23:28,892
Speaker 2: this point in the entire line knows all the personal details.

1719
01:23:29,053 --> 01:23:31,133
Speaker 2: So I just smile and say no, thank you and

1720
01:23:31,293 --> 01:23:34,213
Speaker 2: walk away with my privacy intact and zero points earned.

1721
01:23:34,253 --> 01:23:36,172
Speaker 2: And it's worth it. Brilliant.

1722
01:23:36,372 --> 01:23:37,092
Speaker 3: Good on your Pauler.

1723
01:23:37,173 --> 01:23:40,093
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred per cent. Right, Yeah, it's not

1724
01:23:40,213 --> 01:23:43,333
Speaker 2: worth it. It's it's not worth the seven dollars and

1725
01:23:44,652 --> 01:23:48,412
Speaker 2: the seven dollars and thirteen cents you're going to gain

1726
01:23:48,532 --> 01:23:50,612
Speaker 2: back in six months for being part of it.

1727
01:23:51,053 --> 01:23:53,652
Speaker 3: Here's an example recently. Actually, I went to go to

1728
01:23:53,893 --> 01:23:55,933
Speaker 3: a new wine store. I won't name them, but I

1729
01:23:56,013 --> 01:23:58,293
Speaker 3: wanted to get a nice bottle of Champagne for what

1730
01:23:58,412 --> 01:24:00,892
Speaker 3: happened over the holidays. I proposed so, and then they

1731
01:24:00,933 --> 01:24:02,532
Speaker 3: asked me, do you do I want to sign up

1732
01:24:02,532 --> 01:24:04,893
Speaker 3: to their to their club, And I'm like, yeah, why not?

1733
01:24:04,973 --> 01:24:07,812
Speaker 3: Why not? So to give the email, give the cell

1734
01:24:07,812 --> 01:24:11,053
Speaker 3: phone number and then boom. Yes they've punished me with emails.

1735
01:24:11,333 --> 01:24:14,572
Speaker 3: But now I know when the specials are coming up

1736
01:24:14,652 --> 01:24:16,492
Speaker 3: of Champagne, I'll probably never buy again.

1737
01:24:20,013 --> 01:24:24,372
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a free lunch. You think

1738
01:24:24,452 --> 01:24:26,893
Speaker 2: you're getting something, but they're getting much more from you

1739
01:24:27,732 --> 01:24:28,692
Speaker 2: than they're giving back.

1740
01:24:28,973 --> 01:24:32,492
Speaker 3: Come on through. Is the era over for rewards programs

1741
01:24:32,612 --> 01:24:34,812
Speaker 3: or are you full noise into it? And have you

1742
01:24:34,933 --> 01:24:37,412
Speaker 3: actually managed to save a significant amount of money with

1743
01:24:37,492 --> 01:24:38,372
Speaker 3: the rewards programs?

1744
01:24:38,572 --> 01:24:42,293
Speaker 2: No rewards twenty six and that's my pledge.

1745
01:24:42,732 --> 01:24:43,932
Speaker 3: That should be a national policy.

1746
01:24:43,973 --> 01:24:46,452
Speaker 2: It is twelve past three, back in a moth on

1747
01:24:46,652 --> 01:24:49,692
Speaker 2: news talks, it'd be it is a quarter past three.

1748
01:24:49,893 --> 01:24:52,933
Speaker 3: Rewards programs and loyalty cards? Are they worth it? Have

1749
01:24:53,013 --> 01:24:55,293
Speaker 3: you managed to save a significant amount of money? Matt?

1750
01:24:55,412 --> 01:24:58,092
Speaker 3: You are done and dusted with rewards programs?

1751
01:24:58,173 --> 01:25:00,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's really mad. Have you nothing else to talk about?

1752
01:25:01,812 --> 01:25:03,732
Speaker 2: Well no, I've got infinite things to talk about it

1753
01:25:03,732 --> 01:25:06,133
Speaker 2: in this world, actually, but I want to talk about

1754
01:25:06,173 --> 01:25:09,053
Speaker 2: rewards programs and I'm off them. I don't want them.

1755
01:25:09,173 --> 01:25:09,812
Speaker 3: It's topical.

1756
01:25:09,973 --> 01:25:13,612
Speaker 2: And look this person is uh uh, this business is

1757
01:25:13,772 --> 01:25:16,532
Speaker 2: the I got shamed at dinner last night for not

1758
01:25:16,652 --> 01:25:19,972
Speaker 2: every rewards card. Well I'd like to find more details

1759
01:25:19,973 --> 01:25:20,253
Speaker 2: about that.

1760
01:25:20,412 --> 01:25:22,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, you shouldn't be shamed for not having a rewards card.

1761
01:25:22,732 --> 01:25:24,932
Speaker 3: It's a bit rough. One hundred and eighty ten eighties.

1762
01:25:24,933 --> 01:25:28,852
Speaker 3: The number of call Bruce, how are you good?

1763
01:25:28,933 --> 01:25:29,532
Speaker 11: Made again?

1764
01:25:29,612 --> 01:25:29,892
Speaker 20: Guys?

1765
01:25:30,133 --> 01:25:33,333
Speaker 3: Good? Do you like the rewards programs that.

1766
01:25:33,612 --> 01:25:35,852
Speaker 20: Sorry tilet made on my bed on this one? It's

1767
01:25:35,893 --> 01:25:42,053
Speaker 20: a download of shit, just time wasting, absolutely time. I

1768
01:25:42,253 --> 01:25:44,013
Speaker 20: like to get in a shop, you know, on my

1769
01:25:44,133 --> 01:25:47,652
Speaker 20: bloody baby boomers. So like that'd be bored dearly people

1770
01:25:47,732 --> 01:25:50,293
Speaker 20: too much. You want to have a chat, that's rot.

1771
01:25:50,492 --> 01:25:54,053
Speaker 20: But uh, you know, I'll be backing around with these

1772
01:25:54,173 --> 01:25:59,133
Speaker 20: charts because I had. I had one going at at

1773
01:25:59,293 --> 01:26:02,612
Speaker 20: the We're All Wears supermarket for one because it was

1774
01:26:02,652 --> 01:26:05,532
Speaker 20: the closest supermarket to me. And then I just kept

1775
01:26:05,572 --> 01:26:07,933
Speaker 20: getting the rewards built up to keep saying no, now

1776
01:26:07,973 --> 01:26:10,372
Speaker 20: I'll get on some stage. And then one day I

1777
01:26:10,492 --> 01:26:13,572
Speaker 20: walk in and then they say, oh, you're fifteen dollar reward.

1778
01:26:14,293 --> 01:26:15,372
Speaker 17: Do you want to use it now?

1779
01:26:15,412 --> 01:26:17,452
Speaker 20: And I said, I want fifteen dollars there at one

1780
01:26:17,532 --> 01:26:20,812
Speaker 20: hundred and twenty five last time, And she goes, oh,

1781
01:26:21,053 --> 01:26:23,892
Speaker 20: we was had a year ago. Yeah, so they give

1782
01:26:23,893 --> 01:26:25,412
Speaker 20: them to you and then they take them off here

1783
01:26:25,452 --> 01:26:29,133
Speaker 20: after years, so waste of time. If you want to

1784
01:26:29,213 --> 01:26:31,452
Speaker 20: do stagage shop, you go to Peck and save your

1785
01:26:31,452 --> 01:26:34,133
Speaker 20: work straight and all your do is pay for it

1786
01:26:34,253 --> 01:26:35,492
Speaker 20: and go out the door on.

1787
01:26:36,093 --> 01:26:38,133
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it is dirty that they I didn't

1788
01:26:38,173 --> 01:26:40,532
Speaker 3: realize they taken away if you don't use your your

1789
01:26:40,612 --> 01:26:42,973
Speaker 3: points after a year. But yeah, I got to say

1790
01:26:43,013 --> 01:26:44,852
Speaker 3: bruce the old Peck and save. I mean, look, I

1791
01:26:44,933 --> 01:26:47,412
Speaker 3: get it, the savings are there, but geez, it's a

1792
01:26:47,452 --> 01:26:52,933
Speaker 3: stressful environment. Sometimes I made I just go in.

1793
01:26:53,013 --> 01:26:57,093
Speaker 20: And get it, get the job done, mate, But I've

1794
01:26:57,093 --> 01:26:58,812
Speaker 20: got a door of a little bit further and the

1795
01:26:58,893 --> 01:27:02,013
Speaker 20: problem so it will annoy me. And the other one

1796
01:27:02,053 --> 01:27:04,133
Speaker 20: that is, of course, at those super markers, I had

1797
01:27:04,173 --> 01:27:07,612
Speaker 20: those three things going. Do you want to creep these

1798
01:27:08,692 --> 01:27:13,572
Speaker 20: enough of cards or whatever? Cards or whatever?

1799
01:27:13,812 --> 01:27:14,532
Speaker 15: Then no, I don't.

1800
01:27:17,093 --> 01:27:18,893
Speaker 2: Well you've got to be careful when you're ordering in

1801
01:27:19,253 --> 01:27:21,213
Speaker 2: because you know, I get my groceries delivered. And if

1802
01:27:21,213 --> 01:27:24,093
Speaker 2: you don't click that, you're not doing their collecting of

1803
01:27:24,173 --> 01:27:26,692
Speaker 2: their cards or whatever. You get like an avalanche of

1804
01:27:26,893 --> 01:27:31,852
Speaker 2: free cards. You're just just throwing the throwing the rubbish. Hey, guys,

1805
01:27:31,933 --> 01:27:34,492
Speaker 2: what gets me is once you give over your info,

1806
01:27:34,612 --> 01:27:36,532
Speaker 2: they hassle you for a review of what you have

1807
01:27:36,772 --> 01:27:38,612
Speaker 2: just bought. Drives me in us. I will leave a

1808
01:27:38,652 --> 01:27:41,492
Speaker 2: review if I want to. Not being nagged leaves a

1809
01:27:41,532 --> 01:27:43,772
Speaker 2: bad taste in my mate says, And that's the other

1810
01:27:43,853 --> 01:27:46,013
Speaker 2: thing is I've bought it. I'm doing your work for you,

1811
01:27:46,452 --> 01:27:49,652
Speaker 2: so that that annoys me as well. That gets to me.

1812
01:27:50,492 --> 01:27:51,732
Speaker 2: And look, I try not to be in a word

1813
01:27:51,772 --> 01:27:54,692
Speaker 2: in my life. And absolutely you can just unsubscribe from

1814
01:27:54,732 --> 01:27:57,133
Speaker 2: these things and you can just click them away. But

1815
01:27:57,372 --> 01:28:00,133
Speaker 2: it's just so you know you've bought something and you

1816
01:28:00,253 --> 01:28:02,293
Speaker 2: get this email or you get this text message and

1817
01:28:02,333 --> 01:28:03,973
Speaker 2: it says would you like to review it? It's like, no,

1818
01:28:04,173 --> 01:28:06,253
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't work as a reviewer for your

1819
01:28:06,293 --> 01:28:10,133
Speaker 2: particular company. I will use the product, and if I

1820
01:28:10,333 --> 01:28:11,692
Speaker 2: like it, I like it. If I don't like it,

1821
01:28:11,772 --> 01:28:13,652
Speaker 2: I don't like it. If I don't like I might

1822
01:28:13,732 --> 01:28:16,452
Speaker 2: tell someone. But I'm not going to sit down like

1823
01:28:16,572 --> 01:28:22,412
Speaker 2: I work for the Herald Reviews Small Appliance Reviews department

1824
01:28:23,093 --> 01:28:25,213
Speaker 2: and write a review for you. I'm not going to

1825
01:28:25,293 --> 01:28:25,452
Speaker 2: do it.

1826
01:28:25,652 --> 01:28:27,612
Speaker 3: Why don't just give them a one star review and

1827
01:28:27,732 --> 01:28:30,172
Speaker 3: say I'm so sick of you spam in your rewards programs.

1828
01:28:30,173 --> 01:28:30,812
Speaker 3: Here's your one star.

1829
01:28:31,053 --> 01:28:33,412
Speaker 2: I'd like to hear from people that work behind counters

1830
01:28:33,532 --> 01:28:35,412
Speaker 2: because they're the real victims in this situation.

1831
01:28:35,652 --> 01:28:36,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they work.

1832
01:28:36,492 --> 01:28:40,173
Speaker 2: Find a counter and then some you know exec comes

1833
01:28:40,213 --> 01:28:42,892
Speaker 2: up with this idea of rinsing every customer for all

1834
01:28:42,933 --> 01:28:45,213
Speaker 2: their information as they can so they've got more data

1835
01:28:45,293 --> 01:28:48,333
Speaker 2: on what people do here, so they can more easily

1836
01:28:48,492 --> 01:28:51,053
Speaker 2: target each individual customer that comes in. And then it's

1837
01:28:51,053 --> 01:28:52,652
Speaker 2: the person at the call face that has to go.

1838
01:28:53,093 --> 01:28:56,452
Speaker 2: Are you a member of our punishing rewards program?

1839
01:28:56,652 --> 01:28:56,852
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1840
01:28:57,013 --> 01:28:59,172
Speaker 2: Would you like to be a member of our rewards program?

1841
01:29:00,053 --> 01:29:02,772
Speaker 2: Would you like your emails? Would you like your Could

1842
01:29:02,772 --> 01:29:04,852
Speaker 2: you give me your email and I'll send you with

1843
01:29:04,853 --> 01:29:05,372
Speaker 2: a receipt.

1844
01:29:05,732 --> 01:29:08,412
Speaker 3: That's like, that's a seventh circle and how have to

1845
01:29:08,452 --> 01:29:10,412
Speaker 3: say that? One hundred times? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

1846
01:29:10,412 --> 01:29:12,372
Speaker 3: and eighty is the number to call if you are

1847
01:29:12,452 --> 01:29:14,692
Speaker 3: front of house. How do you feel about these rewards programs?

1848
01:29:14,772 --> 01:29:18,293
Speaker 2: I this Texas says. I've loaded all my rewards cards

1849
01:29:18,333 --> 01:29:20,093
Speaker 2: into a single app, and I was thinking that it

1850
01:29:20,093 --> 01:29:22,452
Speaker 2: would make it a lot easier, but it totally hasn't

1851
01:29:22,452 --> 01:29:25,452
Speaker 2: because that app keeps popping up things like security questions

1852
01:29:25,532 --> 01:29:27,772
Speaker 2: and do you want this? Do you want that? Pop up? This,

1853
01:29:27,973 --> 01:29:30,372
Speaker 2: pop up that absolute admin nightmare.

1854
01:29:30,572 --> 01:29:32,372
Speaker 3: You're getting a lot of support, I've gotta say, Matt,

1855
01:29:32,452 --> 01:29:34,612
Speaker 3: but can you hear from you? Do you actually get

1856
01:29:34,652 --> 01:29:37,333
Speaker 3: benefits from some of these reward programs? Nine two ninety

1857
01:29:37,333 --> 01:29:39,692
Speaker 3: two is the text number And if you want to

1858
01:29:39,732 --> 01:29:42,253
Speaker 3: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty, it's twenty past three.

1859
01:29:46,253 --> 01:29:49,652
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons, call Oh, eight hundred

1860
01:29:49,732 --> 01:29:51,612
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1861
01:29:52,133 --> 01:29:54,293
Speaker 3: It is twenty two past three and we're talking about

1862
01:29:54,333 --> 01:29:57,213
Speaker 3: rewards programs. Are they a waste of time, too much

1863
01:29:57,333 --> 01:29:59,772
Speaker 3: admin as Matt heats is, or can you snag yourself

1864
01:29:59,812 --> 01:30:00,452
Speaker 3: a good special?

1865
01:30:00,772 --> 01:30:00,932
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1866
01:30:01,013 --> 01:30:04,133
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed and I'm not

1867
01:30:04,213 --> 01:30:05,572
Speaker 2: going to have anything to do with any of the

1868
01:30:05,612 --> 01:30:07,652
Speaker 2: more except for in New Zealand your points. I'm all

1869
01:30:07,652 --> 01:30:08,013
Speaker 2: about those.

1870
01:30:08,333 --> 01:30:09,572
Speaker 3: Get well for me, Yeah, because.

1871
01:30:09,372 --> 01:30:10,932
Speaker 2: I don't mind that, because I know where my airpoints

1872
01:30:10,933 --> 01:30:12,932
Speaker 2: app as. I just cant b blu. So anyone that's

1873
01:30:13,013 --> 01:30:15,053
Speaker 2: running in New Zealand the air points.

1874
01:30:14,893 --> 01:30:17,253
Speaker 3: Yep, I'll go there. I never already got all your

1875
01:30:17,293 --> 01:30:18,612
Speaker 3: details if you jump on a flight.

1876
01:30:19,133 --> 01:30:20,973
Speaker 2: It anyway, I've already had to give them everything. They

1877
01:30:21,053 --> 01:30:24,932
Speaker 2: do bombarde you with the emails, do they I've got, Matt,

1878
01:30:24,973 --> 01:30:27,293
Speaker 2: you entitled delete us. That's a good interesting to start

1879
01:30:27,293 --> 01:30:30,172
Speaker 2: to a text. I'll continue reading. Please, I'll be interested.

1880
01:30:30,812 --> 01:30:33,333
Speaker 2: You entitled delete us. Sure you can afford to not

1881
01:30:33,452 --> 01:30:35,692
Speaker 2: join these clubs, but some of us only get by

1882
01:30:35,893 --> 01:30:38,732
Speaker 2: on the deals we get with rewards. I'm pleased to

1883
01:30:38,812 --> 01:30:40,972
Speaker 2: sign up and it might just get me through another

1884
01:30:41,053 --> 01:30:43,612
Speaker 2: week that fifteen percent off giving my information as a

1885
01:30:43,652 --> 01:30:47,293
Speaker 2: small pliers price for not starving to death. I call

1886
01:30:47,652 --> 01:30:51,452
Speaker 2: bollocks on that. There is not a single rewards system

1887
01:30:51,492 --> 01:30:54,532
Speaker 2: in this entire country that's keeping someone alive. You are

1888
01:30:54,572 --> 01:30:58,692
Speaker 2: elevating rewards systems to some kind of like they're not

1889
01:30:59,053 --> 01:30:59,772
Speaker 2: the Red Cross.

1890
01:31:00,412 --> 01:31:03,333
Speaker 3: If they have fifteen percent is stopping you from starving?

1891
01:31:03,692 --> 01:31:05,853
Speaker 3: You need more help than a rewards program.

1892
01:31:05,973 --> 01:31:11,812
Speaker 2: If the but then you get back on the small

1893
01:31:11,853 --> 01:31:15,933
Speaker 2: appliance you bought is keeping you alive. I don't believe it.

1894
01:31:16,333 --> 01:31:19,333
Speaker 2: I've got a texter, I call by. I call bs

1895
01:31:19,452 --> 01:31:21,893
Speaker 2: that ards programs are keeping a single person alive in

1896
01:31:21,973 --> 01:31:22,412
Speaker 2: this country.

1897
01:31:22,452 --> 01:31:24,973
Speaker 3: Oh that's given us a good giggle. Peter, how are

1898
01:31:25,013 --> 01:31:25,372
Speaker 3: you mate?

1899
01:31:26,293 --> 01:31:26,452
Speaker 4: Oh?

1900
01:31:26,572 --> 01:31:26,772
Speaker 7: Good?

1901
01:31:26,853 --> 01:31:27,013
Speaker 16: Right?

1902
01:31:27,772 --> 01:31:27,933
Speaker 1: Are you?

1903
01:31:28,293 --> 01:31:28,492
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1904
01:31:28,572 --> 01:31:28,772
Speaker 3: Good?

1905
01:31:28,853 --> 01:31:31,532
Speaker 20: So you use yeah bloody bo.

1906
01:31:32,213 --> 01:31:37,253
Speaker 17: But anyway, I'm just reading about petrol rewards cars.

1907
01:31:37,372 --> 01:31:39,452
Speaker 3: You're talking about, Yes, we certainly are.

1908
01:31:39,572 --> 01:31:43,253
Speaker 17: You use them, absolutely.

1909
01:31:44,412 --> 01:31:46,732
Speaker 3: Well, all of them. So you're your knee deep in

1910
01:31:46,853 --> 01:31:49,093
Speaker 3: all sorts of rewards programs. Anyone that asks you for

1911
01:31:49,173 --> 01:31:50,973
Speaker 3: your email or your phone number, you're all about it.

1912
01:31:51,893 --> 01:31:57,492
Speaker 17: Only only for petrol, yep, I am, and I save

1913
01:31:57,532 --> 01:31:59,932
Speaker 17: a lot of money by going to the right place

1914
01:32:00,053 --> 01:32:00,652
Speaker 17: for petrol.

1915
01:32:01,973 --> 01:32:03,412
Speaker 3: How much are we talking about here, Peter?

1916
01:32:04,732 --> 01:32:07,892
Speaker 17: Well, I just say on my vest rewards cut, I've

1917
01:32:07,933 --> 01:32:10,253
Speaker 17: got and so standing and Sea Solita.

1918
01:32:11,372 --> 01:32:12,452
Speaker 2: Thirteen cents a liter.

1919
01:32:13,452 --> 01:32:15,652
Speaker 3: Yep, well that's not bad.

1920
01:32:15,772 --> 01:32:20,412
Speaker 2: How many how many leaders as a fill for you? Peter?

1921
01:32:21,173 --> 01:32:24,092
Speaker 17: I'm telling you my guess is probably Oh, I'm a Jesus.

1922
01:32:24,133 --> 01:32:27,612
Speaker 17: So I told them about one hundred and three dollars, right,

1923
01:32:27,692 --> 01:32:30,812
Speaker 17: So I worked everyone out. I mean it's you know,

1924
01:32:30,893 --> 01:32:34,293
Speaker 17: when you're working out over a year, it's a game

1925
01:32:34,333 --> 01:32:35,012
Speaker 17: a lot of money.

1926
01:32:36,492 --> 01:32:38,253
Speaker 3: But do you find yourself going to the same the

1927
01:32:38,333 --> 01:32:40,492
Speaker 3: same pizzel station, Peter. So they've got you by the

1928
01:32:40,572 --> 01:32:43,452
Speaker 3: curlies because you're using I go.

1929
01:32:43,772 --> 01:32:46,852
Speaker 17: I can't go to different seas stations and get the

1930
01:32:46,893 --> 01:32:48,572
Speaker 17: same reward, right.

1931
01:32:48,532 --> 01:32:50,412
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're not driving out of your way to

1932
01:32:50,492 --> 01:32:51,172
Speaker 2: get these rewards.

1933
01:32:51,213 --> 01:32:56,093
Speaker 17: I've got three different cards and if and if they've

1934
01:32:56,093 --> 01:32:59,173
Speaker 17: got a special on, I'll go there, or if I

1935
01:32:59,253 --> 01:33:01,572
Speaker 17: carry get it there, I'll go get my sixties buddy

1936
01:33:01,612 --> 01:33:02,213
Speaker 17: Patrick's sake.

1937
01:33:04,652 --> 01:33:06,133
Speaker 3: It sounds like you've got a sort of Peter, but

1938
01:33:06,612 --> 01:33:08,652
Speaker 3: it feels like an Edmund. You've got your three different

1939
01:33:08,732 --> 01:33:10,532
Speaker 3: cards and you've got to go to the same petrol

1940
01:33:10,572 --> 01:33:13,372
Speaker 3: station or the right supermarket to get the deal.

1941
01:33:13,492 --> 01:33:13,612
Speaker 1: Right.

1942
01:33:14,532 --> 01:33:17,532
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, let's I got to see right at anyway.

1943
01:33:17,772 --> 01:33:19,492
Speaker 17: I mean, you know, if I'm down there and I

1944
01:33:19,612 --> 01:33:22,973
Speaker 17: need some need some petrol, you know, looking at a

1945
01:33:23,093 --> 01:33:25,893
Speaker 17: look at the price of diesel now and some services,

1946
01:33:26,173 --> 01:33:28,892
Speaker 17: it's one ninety three to one ninety five. You can

1947
01:33:28,973 --> 01:33:31,772
Speaker 17: buy a packers for one sixty eight. There's six, No,

1948
01:33:31,973 --> 01:33:35,772
Speaker 17: one sixty five, there's success, there's one fifty eight nine.

1949
01:33:36,612 --> 01:33:41,213
Speaker 17: You know, these guys are ripping excellently, ripping the zella off.

1950
01:33:41,412 --> 01:33:43,732
Speaker 17: And if you ever got a rewards cadle of petrol station,

1951
01:33:44,333 --> 01:33:44,732
Speaker 17: get one.

1952
01:33:45,492 --> 01:33:49,933
Speaker 2: All right. Well, I'm not going to your firm on

1953
01:33:50,013 --> 01:33:52,372
Speaker 2: that much. Jedman. No, I had, I had them, but

1954
01:33:52,452 --> 01:33:54,532
Speaker 2: I just sick of it. I sick of doing it.

1955
01:33:54,612 --> 01:33:56,732
Speaker 2: I'm just asking for it. It's like I don't care.

1956
01:33:57,173 --> 01:33:59,412
Speaker 2: So thirteen cents off is more than I've ever heard,

1957
01:33:59,492 --> 01:34:03,013
Speaker 2: but like say six you know, like sometimes it's like

1958
01:34:03,293 --> 01:34:06,893
Speaker 2: six cents, four cents, five cents half a liter my

1959
01:34:07,013 --> 01:34:08,213
Speaker 2: tanks fifty five liters.

1960
01:34:08,412 --> 01:34:10,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that raally with your time? No, I will

1961
01:34:10,853 --> 01:34:12,812
Speaker 3: say some of the supermarkets, you know, when you spend

1962
01:34:12,893 --> 01:34:15,253
Speaker 3: and it's like one percent of your total spend that

1963
01:34:15,293 --> 01:34:17,772
Speaker 3: you get in points that takes you years to get

1964
01:34:17,772 --> 01:34:18,772
Speaker 3: your fifteen dollar about you.

1965
01:34:19,213 --> 01:34:22,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, Hey, this text is what I'm talking about.

1966
01:34:23,013 --> 01:34:24,572
Speaker 2: This from Craig. This is the other side of it. Hey,

1967
01:34:24,572 --> 01:34:27,412
Speaker 2: guys working retail and you have no choice but to

1968
01:34:27,452 --> 01:34:30,372
Speaker 2: push these rewards programs as it's part of your overall

1969
01:34:30,372 --> 01:34:32,732
Speaker 2: performance reviews. Drives us nuts, as you know, the bill

1970
01:34:32,772 --> 01:34:36,012
Speaker 2: and customers don't give a rats ass cheers, Craig. Those

1971
01:34:36,053 --> 01:34:38,492
Speaker 2: are the real victims here in these whole rewards things.

1972
01:34:38,692 --> 01:34:41,093
Speaker 2: Is the people standing behind the counter that have to

1973
01:34:41,893 --> 01:34:47,452
Speaker 2: push you towards their rewards or or you know, ask

1974
01:34:47,572 --> 01:34:50,692
Speaker 2: you for the rewards or take your details on the rewards.

1975
01:34:50,372 --> 01:34:52,932
Speaker 3: Or they don't clip their ticket. They're not getting anything

1976
01:34:52,973 --> 01:34:53,093
Speaker 3: for that.

1977
01:34:53,612 --> 01:34:58,532
Speaker 2: And that nice conversation which was you know, how's the

1978
01:34:58,572 --> 01:35:03,213
Speaker 2: weather today, That interaction between you and the person behind

1979
01:35:03,293 --> 01:35:05,452
Speaker 2: the counter, that can be a nice interaction. You can

1980
01:35:05,532 --> 01:35:07,532
Speaker 2: just in that brief time that you're going back and

1981
01:35:07,612 --> 01:35:09,452
Speaker 2: forward with someone, you can have a little bit of

1982
01:35:09,492 --> 01:35:10,253
Speaker 2: a chat about something.

1983
01:35:10,372 --> 01:35:11,333
Speaker 3: Right, that's a fair point.

1984
01:35:11,412 --> 01:35:14,093
Speaker 2: But at that point is you being waterboarded with their

1985
01:35:14,612 --> 01:35:15,372
Speaker 2: rewards program?

1986
01:35:15,692 --> 01:35:18,972
Speaker 3: Retail workers how do you feel about these rewards programs?

1987
01:35:19,013 --> 01:35:19,612
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you.

1988
01:35:19,732 --> 01:35:21,772
Speaker 2: Hey guys, I save and use my new WOREL dollars

1989
01:35:21,812 --> 01:35:23,173
Speaker 2: to buy beer at the end of the year.

1990
01:35:23,492 --> 01:35:24,933
Speaker 3: Love it, good times, good on you.

1991
01:35:25,093 --> 01:35:26,013
Speaker 2: Yeah it works for you.

1992
01:35:26,532 --> 01:35:28,253
Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1993
01:35:28,412 --> 01:35:29,732
Speaker 3: number to call if you want to sit It takes

1994
01:35:29,812 --> 01:35:32,732
Speaker 3: ninety two. Ninety two is that number. We'll get the

1995
01:35:32,732 --> 01:35:34,972
Speaker 3: headlines coming up, and then of course we are taking

1996
01:35:35,013 --> 01:35:37,333
Speaker 3: more of your calls rewards programs. Do you love them?

1997
01:35:37,452 --> 01:35:40,013
Speaker 3: Or are you like Matt? You're done with them too much?

1998
01:35:40,213 --> 01:35:41,452
Speaker 3: Edmund and it's too much stress.

1999
01:35:41,492 --> 01:35:45,692
Speaker 2: Twenty eight past three US Talk said, be headlines with

2000
01:35:45,853 --> 01:35:46,732
Speaker 2: blue bubble tacks.

2001
01:35:46,933 --> 01:35:49,732
Speaker 13: You say it's no trouble with a blue bubble. Matt

2002
01:35:49,812 --> 01:35:54,012
Speaker 13: Services warning worse weather could still come as blustery wind

2003
01:35:54,093 --> 01:35:57,132
Speaker 13: and rain maintain their grip on the Upper North Island.

2004
01:35:57,492 --> 01:36:00,372
Speaker 13: Heavy rain watches and warnings cover Northland to Auckland and

2005
01:36:00,452 --> 01:36:04,612
Speaker 13: Corimandel until early Thursday, with power cuts and road closures

2006
01:36:04,692 --> 01:36:05,653
Speaker 13: and parts.

2007
01:36:06,333 --> 01:36:07,133
Speaker 3: One weekend too.

2008
01:36:07,253 --> 01:36:10,452
Speaker 13: Using tiny trans admitters to track invasive hornets to their

2009
01:36:10,532 --> 01:36:14,813
Speaker 13: nests in Auckland, six hundred worker hornets have been destroyed.

2010
01:36:15,333 --> 01:36:18,612
Speaker 13: The tech lets buyer security teams followed the hornets home

2011
01:36:19,133 --> 01:36:22,932
Speaker 13: and thermal drones are also zeroing in on hidden nests.

2012
01:36:23,853 --> 01:36:26,093
Speaker 13: New South Wales has been wropped by a fourth shark

2013
01:36:26,133 --> 01:36:28,852
Speaker 13: attack in three days, the last to surfer on the

2014
01:36:28,893 --> 01:36:32,293
Speaker 13: coast near Lake mcquarie. At least twenty Sydney beaches have

2015
01:36:32,452 --> 01:36:36,053
Speaker 13: been closed. A christ Church twenty eight year old is

2016
01:36:36,133 --> 01:36:38,532
Speaker 13: one a draw for a six hundred thousand dollars home

2017
01:36:38,853 --> 01:36:42,173
Speaker 13: from developer brooks Field Homes. He was in a pool

2018
01:36:42,253 --> 01:36:46,812
Speaker 13: of property buyers since November of twenty twenty four. Jobs

2019
01:36:47,093 --> 01:36:51,173
Speaker 13: for your mates. How Act Minister secretly picked new Firearms

2020
01:36:51,253 --> 01:36:54,172
Speaker 13: Group members. You can see more at ensid Herald Premium.

2021
01:36:54,412 --> 01:36:56,052
Speaker 13: Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2022
01:36:56,213 --> 01:36:59,572
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Ray Leans. We're talking about rewards programs.

2023
01:37:00,732 --> 01:37:04,093
Speaker 2: I mean this idea that the rewards program look, you know,

2024
01:37:04,213 --> 01:37:05,532
Speaker 2: go for your life. A lot of people are teaching

2025
01:37:05,612 --> 01:37:07,132
Speaker 2: through and they have a great time with the rewards

2026
01:37:07,173 --> 01:37:09,772
Speaker 2: program and blessed you your life. On who am I

2027
01:37:09,853 --> 01:37:12,732
Speaker 2: to judge? Just not at least you be judge yourself.

2028
01:37:13,572 --> 01:37:15,333
Speaker 2: I just can't be bothered with them anymore. I just

2029
01:37:15,372 --> 01:37:17,333
Speaker 2: find it annoying. I find going up to the counter.

2030
01:37:17,372 --> 01:37:19,772
Speaker 2: I've got enough on and I feel sorry for the

2031
01:37:19,812 --> 01:37:23,892
Speaker 2: person behind the counter. Now, you know, don't I don't

2032
01:37:23,933 --> 01:37:26,172
Speaker 2: have a wallet anymore, so I can't just carry around

2033
01:37:26,572 --> 01:37:30,852
Speaker 2: a piano accordion worth of little cards for different places.

2034
01:37:31,253 --> 01:37:33,293
Speaker 2: And then you put the app on your phone and

2035
01:37:33,372 --> 01:37:35,612
Speaker 2: then you bring up your app and that takes ages

2036
01:37:35,652 --> 01:37:38,412
Speaker 2: as someone behind you and you're like doing that, and

2037
01:37:38,452 --> 01:37:40,013
Speaker 2: then you've got to do your pay for it and

2038
01:37:40,173 --> 01:37:41,612
Speaker 2: talk about it and do it. It's just a lot.

2039
01:37:41,893 --> 01:37:43,412
Speaker 2: I just think it's worth it. But you've got to

2040
01:37:43,412 --> 01:37:46,253
Speaker 2: remember that the rewards programs are just there to lock

2041
01:37:46,333 --> 01:37:49,572
Speaker 2: you in and you know, to make you spend more,

2042
01:37:50,053 --> 01:37:52,612
Speaker 2: and they're collecting data off you. That's really what they're doing.

2043
01:37:52,652 --> 01:37:57,093
Speaker 2: One of the most important things, and they to stop

2044
01:37:57,133 --> 01:37:59,372
Speaker 2: you going to other places, right Yeah, So I mean

2045
01:37:59,372 --> 01:38:02,173
Speaker 2: I say it, with my airpoints, I will never even

2046
01:38:02,253 --> 01:38:04,532
Speaker 2: consider flying with another red line just because I'm so

2047
01:38:04,692 --> 01:38:05,732
Speaker 2: locked in with the airpoints.

2048
01:38:05,853 --> 01:38:08,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they work for you and it's nice and easy.

2049
01:38:08,372 --> 01:38:10,253
Speaker 3: The Edmund's just not there and the stress of it

2050
01:38:10,532 --> 01:38:13,693
Speaker 3: and the awkwardness of asking for your email.

2051
01:38:13,572 --> 01:38:16,213
Speaker 2: And this text is head before and they've come back

2052
01:38:16,293 --> 01:38:18,372
Speaker 2: at my response. So this text came in before met you,

2053
01:38:18,893 --> 01:38:22,132
Speaker 2: entitled elitist. Sure you can afford to not join these clubs,

2054
01:38:22,372 --> 01:38:24,692
Speaker 2: but some of us only get by on the details

2055
01:38:24,772 --> 01:38:27,013
Speaker 2: we get with these rewards. I'm pleased to sign up

2056
01:38:27,133 --> 01:38:29,572
Speaker 2: and it might just get me through another week. That

2057
01:38:29,692 --> 01:38:32,572
Speaker 2: fifteen percent off giving my information as a small place

2058
01:38:32,652 --> 01:38:34,692
Speaker 2: to pay to not starve to death. And I just

2059
01:38:34,732 --> 01:38:39,012
Speaker 2: pointed out that bollocks, you're not starving to death without rewards.

2060
01:38:39,173 --> 01:38:41,452
Speaker 2: It's just a load of crap. Whoever you are, I

2061
01:38:41,492 --> 01:38:44,933
Speaker 2: don't know who you are. That's an absolute lie that

2062
01:38:45,173 --> 01:38:47,933
Speaker 2: rewards programs are keeping a single person alive in this

2063
01:38:48,133 --> 01:38:50,333
Speaker 2: entire country. You're not going to starve without them. I

2064
01:38:50,372 --> 01:38:53,173
Speaker 2: can promise you that I'm calling you a liar that text.

2065
01:38:53,253 --> 01:38:55,173
Speaker 2: A bit has come back and said, how dare you

2066
01:38:55,293 --> 01:38:57,372
Speaker 2: say I won't starve without rewards? You don't know me,

2067
01:38:58,772 --> 01:39:00,612
Speaker 2: I don't know you. I don't know you, but I

2068
01:39:00,812 --> 01:39:04,372
Speaker 2: know I know I know that you will not starve

2069
01:39:04,452 --> 01:39:07,852
Speaker 2: to death without your fifteen percent off. You're going to

2070
01:39:07,893 --> 01:39:11,132
Speaker 2: be all right a five pack of Rio undies, Okay,

2071
01:39:11,213 --> 01:39:13,692
Speaker 2: Mat Scott, how are you men?

2072
01:39:15,333 --> 01:39:15,932
Speaker 14: Have a new year?

2073
01:39:16,053 --> 01:39:18,692
Speaker 15: Guys, it's yeah, a few months ago, the last thing

2074
01:39:18,853 --> 01:39:25,852
Speaker 15: last weak. Yeah, so rewards points, etcetera. So yeah, you're right.

2075
01:39:25,933 --> 01:39:28,612
Speaker 15: The apps, sorry, they are rewards cards. They can be

2076
01:39:28,652 --> 01:39:31,173
Speaker 15: a bit tedious. But when you go to the likes

2077
01:39:31,213 --> 01:39:33,652
Speaker 15: of will Worst or Countdown as they used to be,

2078
01:39:34,213 --> 01:39:36,892
Speaker 15: and you purchase something off the shelf and you're going

2079
01:39:36,933 --> 01:39:41,333
Speaker 15: to save four dollars for that item by scanning your

2080
01:39:41,412 --> 01:39:45,293
Speaker 15: rewards card when it's on special for five instead of nine,

2081
01:39:45,933 --> 01:39:51,772
Speaker 15: I think it's worth it. And around fuel, so I

2082
01:39:52,412 --> 01:39:54,812
Speaker 15: more often than not will purchase my fuel from a

2083
01:39:54,933 --> 01:40:01,293
Speaker 15: pack and save suit our supermarket. But here in christ Church,

2084
01:40:01,692 --> 01:40:05,612
Speaker 15: so I live in Barrington Fuels. I've drive a diesel vehicle.

2085
01:40:05,732 --> 01:40:08,812
Speaker 15: Fuel as a dollar ninety seven or two dollars at

2086
01:40:08,853 --> 01:40:11,852
Speaker 15: the local Z five hundred meters up the road. But

2087
01:40:11,893 --> 01:40:13,812
Speaker 15: when I go and buy my groceri's on our Wednesday

2088
01:40:13,853 --> 01:40:15,933
Speaker 15: and Thursday or ever, I go to the pack and

2089
01:40:16,013 --> 01:40:18,572
Speaker 15: Save and it's a dollar sixty two or a dollar

2090
01:40:18,692 --> 01:40:22,253
Speaker 15: fifty two. So you know, I'm saving thirty forty fifty

2091
01:40:22,372 --> 01:40:23,012
Speaker 15: cents a leader.

2092
01:40:23,612 --> 01:40:24,412
Speaker 7: Not bad to me.

2093
01:40:25,093 --> 01:40:28,732
Speaker 15: It makes a massive difference, you know. I I'm sure

2094
01:40:28,772 --> 01:40:30,852
Speaker 15: you guys and plenty of people out there are aware

2095
01:40:30,893 --> 01:40:33,973
Speaker 15: of the gas Pie app around the fuel savings they

2096
01:40:34,133 --> 01:40:36,333
Speaker 15: show all the discounts and they show all the different

2097
01:40:36,372 --> 01:40:40,253
Speaker 15: prices of fuel around town. So you know, if you

2098
01:40:40,372 --> 01:40:43,652
Speaker 15: don't use them, then you're not going to save any money.

2099
01:40:44,053 --> 01:40:46,333
Speaker 15: But as I say, especially at the supermarkets, you go

2100
01:40:46,532 --> 01:40:48,492
Speaker 15: the New World all account now and they both have

2101
01:40:48,652 --> 01:40:52,652
Speaker 15: their rewards and you can save three four five dollars

2102
01:40:52,732 --> 01:40:55,092
Speaker 15: per item depending on what you're buying.

2103
01:40:56,173 --> 01:40:57,572
Speaker 2: Three four five dollars per item.

2104
01:40:58,732 --> 01:41:02,372
Speaker 15: Yeah, so I drink Robert Harris Coffee as a brand

2105
01:41:02,412 --> 01:41:03,253
Speaker 15: of coffee.

2106
01:41:02,933 --> 01:41:05,732
Speaker 3: For my list and coffee right yep, lovely, it's.

2107
01:41:05,692 --> 01:41:09,692
Speaker 15: Usually eleven, twelve, thirteen dollars a jar. You go to

2108
01:41:09,853 --> 01:41:13,333
Speaker 15: likes to countdown and you scanned your loyalty card, you

2109
01:41:13,452 --> 01:41:16,093
Speaker 15: can save three or four dollars, it'll be down to

2110
01:41:16,333 --> 01:41:18,572
Speaker 15: nine eight nine dollars.

2111
01:41:19,093 --> 01:41:21,173
Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you, I'll tell you what Scott, I

2112
01:41:21,253 --> 01:41:23,852
Speaker 2: haven't seen. I haven't seen savings like that. But if

2113
01:41:23,933 --> 01:41:26,652
Speaker 2: you're saving thirty or forty cents on a leader of

2114
01:41:26,732 --> 01:41:31,213
Speaker 2: gas by using rewards cards, and if you're saving that

2115
01:41:31,372 --> 01:41:34,412
Speaker 2: much on what you're buying, then I take it back.

2116
01:41:34,652 --> 01:41:35,772
Speaker 2: They make absolutely.

2117
01:41:36,133 --> 01:41:39,532
Speaker 15: There's also remember what you have to remember as well

2118
01:41:40,053 --> 01:41:43,133
Speaker 15: is on a Tuesday. As a pensioner. If you've got

2119
01:41:43,133 --> 01:41:47,333
Speaker 15: a Gold card, you can go to Countdown and also

2120
01:41:47,412 --> 01:41:50,173
Speaker 15: Burger King and a Countdown you get twenty cent off

2121
01:41:50,213 --> 01:41:50,932
Speaker 15: your entire show.

2122
01:41:51,333 --> 01:41:54,532
Speaker 2: Look mate, gold cards. But now that's a rewards card

2123
01:41:54,652 --> 01:41:57,772
Speaker 2: that I've seen. I've seen people over sixty five do

2124
01:41:58,013 --> 01:42:00,532
Speaker 2: very well with the Gold card. A lot of savings

2125
01:42:00,572 --> 01:42:01,933
Speaker 2: on that, bear Boy, but not all of us can

2126
01:42:01,973 --> 01:42:05,372
Speaker 2: get those ones. Some of us will have to wait

2127
01:42:05,452 --> 01:42:05,612
Speaker 2: for that.

2128
01:42:06,093 --> 01:42:08,372
Speaker 3: Scott, thank you very much. I've just looked up. But

2129
01:42:08,572 --> 01:42:10,892
Speaker 3: a story from Consumer and I know Consumer New Zealand

2130
01:42:10,973 --> 01:42:13,652
Speaker 3: have been anti a lot of these rewards programs for

2131
01:42:13,772 --> 01:42:15,532
Speaker 3: some time. But I'll just read the study that they

2132
01:42:15,612 --> 01:42:18,572
Speaker 3: did on the supermarket reward schemes. So the head of

2133
01:42:18,652 --> 01:42:22,092
Speaker 3: research and Advocacy, Jemma rouse Mussen, said that the schemes

2134
01:42:22,213 --> 01:42:24,692
Speaker 3: often did not offer the best deal. She said, I

2135
01:42:24,812 --> 01:42:26,852
Speaker 3: quote what they're really about, and you mentioned this, Matt

2136
01:42:27,053 --> 01:42:29,812
Speaker 3: is trying to breed loyalty. They're trying to ensure that

2137
01:42:29,893 --> 01:42:32,133
Speaker 3: you shop at the same place all the time. That's

2138
01:42:32,173 --> 01:42:35,092
Speaker 3: really beneficial for the supermarket, but it mutes the competition.

2139
01:42:35,333 --> 01:42:37,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know, and look, I'm not going to

2140
01:42:37,133 --> 01:42:39,813
Speaker 2: hastle a company for trying everything they can to be successful.

2141
01:42:40,652 --> 01:42:41,812
Speaker 3: But I'm just out.

2142
01:42:42,293 --> 01:42:43,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just too much for me. I think we've

2143
01:42:43,853 --> 01:42:48,052
Speaker 2: reached peak reward card if everywhere has a reward card,

2144
01:42:48,333 --> 01:42:50,452
Speaker 2: and everywhere is trying to get your email address, and

2145
01:42:50,492 --> 01:42:52,652
Speaker 2: everywhere is trying to get you to review something, and

2146
01:42:53,053 --> 01:42:58,732
Speaker 2: everywhere has got some little mathematic, some equation you have

2147
01:42:58,853 --> 01:43:00,652
Speaker 2: to do to work out how you're going. I'm just out.

2148
01:43:00,853 --> 01:43:01,013
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2149
01:43:01,133 --> 01:43:02,652
Speaker 2: I just think my life will be better if I

2150
01:43:02,732 --> 01:43:05,852
Speaker 2: remove that stress and whatever discounts I miss out on,

2151
01:43:06,412 --> 01:43:08,053
Speaker 2: then that so beet, I'm out.

2152
01:43:08,372 --> 01:43:10,452
Speaker 3: One thing I'll absolutely agree with you is and it's

2153
01:43:10,452 --> 01:43:12,692
Speaker 3: happening more and more as the companies that demand that

2154
01:43:12,812 --> 01:43:16,213
Speaker 3: you download the app before you can actually purchase some

2155
01:43:16,333 --> 01:43:18,893
Speaker 3: of the discounted products. I don't want any part of that.

2156
01:43:19,013 --> 01:43:21,412
Speaker 3: I mean sometimes I will actually go through. It's kind

2157
01:43:21,412 --> 01:43:23,053
Speaker 3: of embarrassing, but it's true. So I'll go through the

2158
01:43:23,093 --> 01:43:25,932
Speaker 3: admin of downloading the app, then getting my Wi special,

2159
01:43:26,293 --> 01:43:28,452
Speaker 3: then I take the app back off the phone until

2160
01:43:28,532 --> 01:43:30,173
Speaker 3: I have a desire that can take it from my

2161
01:43:30,253 --> 01:43:33,492
Speaker 3: chicken again. And I'm going to do the whole lot again.

2162
01:43:34,372 --> 01:43:36,333
Speaker 2: Jeep has met You're a Prima donna. Just get your

2163
01:43:36,412 --> 01:43:39,092
Speaker 2: card out, they click on it and you get sixteen

2164
01:43:39,173 --> 01:43:41,293
Speaker 2: cents off easy. Then you can buy a couple of

2165
01:43:41,572 --> 01:43:43,732
Speaker 2: pies for free and you don't have to make your

2166
01:43:43,812 --> 01:43:45,812
Speaker 2: lunch and end up being a fat bastard like me.

2167
01:43:46,093 --> 01:43:49,053
Speaker 2: It's from Mecca. Think if you call appreciate it, I

2168
01:43:49,173 --> 01:43:49,973
Speaker 2: will not be doing that.

2169
01:43:50,893 --> 01:43:51,652
Speaker 3: Thanks for your thoughts.

2170
01:43:51,772 --> 01:43:52,892
Speaker 2: George's welcome to the show.

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01:43:53,452 --> 01:43:58,053
Speaker 16: Yeah, good afternoon, doing well now. I see as computers

2172
01:43:58,492 --> 01:44:03,492
Speaker 16: in the past and business businesses and sat down one

2173
01:44:03,532 --> 01:44:06,492
Speaker 16: day and we started and it was a it was

2174
01:44:06,492 --> 01:44:10,452
Speaker 16: a liquor store. So we're having a conversation. So I

2175
01:44:10,492 --> 01:44:13,852
Speaker 16: asked them about Flybys. Is well, it's really interesting. People

2176
01:44:13,973 --> 01:44:16,612
Speaker 16: come in with their Flybys, which was before the rewards,

2177
01:44:16,973 --> 01:44:20,053
Speaker 16: you know, and they'll put their card through and they

2178
01:44:20,253 --> 01:44:23,013
Speaker 16: buy their purchase and they get their points. So for

2179
01:44:23,093 --> 01:44:26,253
Speaker 16: the customer, the carrot was the points, simulate the points

2180
01:44:26,293 --> 01:44:28,852
Speaker 16: to get some bonuses by whatever you like. But for

2181
01:44:28,973 --> 01:44:32,253
Speaker 16: the business it was ten times worth that to them

2182
01:44:32,372 --> 01:44:36,013
Speaker 16: than what the points were to the customer because Flybys

2183
01:44:36,053 --> 01:44:39,133
Speaker 16: would go through for them at their request and find

2184
01:44:39,173 --> 01:44:43,412
Speaker 16: out Joe Bloggs bought this item and continues to buy

2185
01:44:43,492 --> 01:44:47,933
Speaker 16: this particular bourbon you know, and really likes it. So

2186
01:44:48,053 --> 01:44:51,372
Speaker 16: they gave them a list of all the people in

2187
01:44:51,452 --> 01:44:56,212
Speaker 16: the area that bought the bourbon and whether they were locals,

2188
01:44:56,253 --> 01:44:59,812
Speaker 16: were traveling through and they could identify them, and so

2189
01:44:59,933 --> 01:45:02,692
Speaker 16: they could profile the whole areas of what things they bought,

2190
01:45:03,093 --> 01:45:06,133
Speaker 16: so they knew what specials could put out that the

2191
01:45:06,253 --> 01:45:09,372
Speaker 16: majority of people liked to buy. From the data that

2192
01:45:09,532 --> 01:45:13,093
Speaker 16: five Buys is providing them. They could also email those

2193
01:45:13,173 --> 01:45:16,492
Speaker 16: particular people of the emails that this particular bourbon was

2194
01:45:16,652 --> 01:45:19,013
Speaker 16: on special now as they like to come and buy it,

2195
01:45:19,452 --> 01:45:21,253
Speaker 16: but it was on special to anybody else.

2196
01:45:23,013 --> 01:45:23,253
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2197
01:45:23,572 --> 01:45:24,213
Speaker 3: See that is.

2198
01:45:25,812 --> 01:45:26,053
Speaker 10: Isn't it.

2199
01:45:27,133 --> 01:45:28,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, data mining, No, that's just data.

2200
01:45:29,213 --> 01:45:34,333
Speaker 16: That's business. That's how business works. Data is hugely important,

2201
01:45:34,772 --> 01:45:37,532
Speaker 16: and they're building huge data centers to collect more and

2202
01:45:37,652 --> 01:45:42,893
Speaker 16: more data to appraise everybody's individual lifestyles, just like Facebook

2203
01:45:42,933 --> 01:45:46,013
Speaker 16: and TikTok and everybody. You go on timu and you

2204
01:45:46,133 --> 01:45:50,253
Speaker 16: buy one screw for the next ten years, you get

2205
01:45:50,293 --> 01:45:53,692
Speaker 16: all the screw specials turning up on your emails because

2206
01:45:53,692 --> 01:45:56,572
Speaker 16: they're doing exactly the same thing. The world is now.

2207
01:45:56,853 --> 01:45:57,772
Speaker 16: That's how it runs.

2208
01:45:58,333 --> 01:45:59,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely sure, you can get a lot of trouble

2209
01:45:59,933 --> 01:46:00,612
Speaker 2: buying one screw.

2210
01:46:00,853 --> 01:46:03,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely good stuff to George.

2211
01:46:03,213 --> 01:46:05,093
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. I mean that is how it works,

2212
01:46:05,133 --> 01:46:07,412
Speaker 2: and it is business and good on them. But you know,

2213
01:46:07,692 --> 01:46:09,972
Speaker 2: businesses have find a way to survive. But you don't

2214
01:46:10,013 --> 01:46:11,333
Speaker 2: have to be part of it. If you don't want it,

2215
01:46:11,412 --> 01:46:13,253
Speaker 2: you can opt out of it. And maybe the opt

2216
01:46:13,293 --> 01:46:16,732
Speaker 2: outing of it is missing out on six percent of

2217
01:46:16,853 --> 01:46:20,412
Speaker 2: something or you know, a voucher down the track or

2218
01:46:20,412 --> 01:46:22,732
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Yeah, that maybe that's that's the price

2219
01:46:22,812 --> 01:46:25,692
Speaker 2: you price you pay to op out from being another

2220
01:46:25,853 --> 01:46:28,052
Speaker 2: data point. Yeah, and being a target.

2221
01:46:28,933 --> 01:46:31,612
Speaker 3: I've just looked up some more research on these rewards

2222
01:46:31,652 --> 01:46:34,572
Speaker 3: programs in New Zealand and me, she's starting to come

2223
01:46:34,612 --> 01:46:36,612
Speaker 3: to your side of the equation on this, Matt, slowly

2224
01:46:36,692 --> 01:46:40,612
Speaker 3: but surely so. And it goes back to the what

2225
01:46:40,732 --> 01:46:43,932
Speaker 3: George was saying, data mining and a lot of these

2226
01:46:43,973 --> 01:46:48,293
Speaker 3: rewards programs actually seemed a disadvantage for when people sign

2227
01:46:48,372 --> 01:46:51,812
Speaker 3: over their emails, they're not actually getting the rewards they

2228
01:46:51,812 --> 01:46:54,452
Speaker 3: are promised. But more than that, is George mentions, they

2229
01:46:54,492 --> 01:46:57,933
Speaker 3: get followed for life. They get bombarded with multiple emails

2230
01:46:58,013 --> 01:46:59,932
Speaker 3: and they track them and they find out their spending

2231
01:47:00,013 --> 01:47:02,532
Speaker 3: admits and they share that with other companies. I mean,

2232
01:47:02,572 --> 01:47:05,412
Speaker 3: that is crazy. You can't share someone's email with another

2233
01:47:05,492 --> 01:47:08,013
Speaker 3: company that's not on. But I suppose when you give

2234
01:47:08,013 --> 01:47:11,053
Speaker 3: it away freely for a rewards program and your three

2235
01:47:11,133 --> 01:47:13,732
Speaker 3: cents off a leader, you've screwed yourself for that one.

2236
01:47:13,772 --> 01:47:15,372
Speaker 2: But if you like you Tyler and you delete the

2237
01:47:15,412 --> 01:47:17,213
Speaker 2: app and then you unsubscribed from the email as it

2238
01:47:17,293 --> 01:47:20,133
Speaker 2: soon it comes in, I mean, they're not tracking you

2239
01:47:20,213 --> 01:47:21,053
Speaker 2: at that point, are they.

2240
01:47:22,173 --> 01:47:24,492
Speaker 3: That's a good point. I mean, I think that would

2241
01:47:24,532 --> 01:47:26,812
Speaker 3: protect you because there's spam laws, but.

2242
01:47:27,372 --> 01:47:27,732
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2243
01:47:27,933 --> 01:47:28,293
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2244
01:47:28,812 --> 01:47:32,253
Speaker 2: I mean if the reward program's asking you for I mean,

2245
01:47:32,732 --> 01:47:35,612
Speaker 2: like airline rewards programs have a lot of information on you,

2246
01:47:35,772 --> 01:47:38,452
Speaker 2: right yep, because they know your age, they know your sex,

2247
01:47:38,572 --> 01:47:41,173
Speaker 2: they know everything about you. I'm not sure how much

2248
01:47:41,213 --> 01:47:43,732
Speaker 2: they use that, but they would have a whole lot

2249
01:47:43,772 --> 01:47:46,532
Speaker 2: of information on you if they wanted to start tracking

2250
01:47:47,213 --> 01:47:49,813
Speaker 2: customer habits through demographics.

2251
01:47:49,893 --> 01:47:50,013
Speaker 9: Right.

2252
01:47:50,213 --> 01:47:50,412
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2253
01:47:50,772 --> 01:47:54,333
Speaker 2: But as I've said before, I'm fine with my earpoints. One,

2254
01:47:54,772 --> 01:47:58,452
Speaker 2: you get access to the kudu lang. It's lovely in that, right,

2255
01:47:58,492 --> 01:47:59,692
Speaker 2: We'll take a more of your calls and know one

2256
01:47:59,732 --> 01:48:01,812
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty seventeen to four bag very

2257
01:48:01,812 --> 01:48:03,293
Speaker 2: surely have a.

2258
01:48:03,372 --> 01:48:07,692
Speaker 1: Chat with the lads on eight. Matt Heathan Tyler Adams

2259
01:48:07,812 --> 01:48:10,812
Speaker 1: afternoon excused talk, said, be very good afternoon.

2260
01:48:10,853 --> 01:48:10,893
Speaker 12: You.

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01:48:11,013 --> 01:48:13,412
Speaker 3: So we're talking about rewards programs. You can't escape them now.

2262
01:48:13,532 --> 01:48:17,133
Speaker 3: Every business is offering some sort of rewards program. So

2263
01:48:17,452 --> 01:48:19,012
Speaker 3: have you had enough of them? Or do you actually

2264
01:48:19,053 --> 01:48:20,612
Speaker 3: get value for them? Like one hundred and eighty ten

2265
01:48:20,652 --> 01:48:21,492
Speaker 3: eighty is that number?

2266
01:48:22,173 --> 01:48:25,692
Speaker 2: Marie, Marie Marie? Is it Marie Marie?

2267
01:48:26,053 --> 01:48:26,213
Speaker 16: Yes?

2268
01:48:26,293 --> 01:48:26,492
Speaker 8: It is?

2269
01:48:26,652 --> 01:48:28,013
Speaker 2: Hey, Hey Marie, how are you?

2270
01:48:29,173 --> 01:48:32,052
Speaker 9: I couldn't Yeah, good, I'm just sort of recovering because

2271
01:48:32,133 --> 01:48:34,532
Speaker 9: I was listening to the red of you guys. I thought,

2272
01:48:35,173 --> 01:48:36,412
Speaker 9: I'm going to have to change the way we do

2273
01:48:36,532 --> 01:48:37,973
Speaker 9: things at home. My husband's going to have to do

2274
01:48:38,053 --> 01:48:40,093
Speaker 9: all the shopping now because if he goes to Wars,

2275
01:48:40,133 --> 01:48:42,812
Speaker 9: he's going to get a twenty percent discount on his

2276
01:48:43,213 --> 01:48:46,652
Speaker 9: Gold card. Now, how come I don't know about this.

2277
01:48:46,772 --> 01:48:49,492
Speaker 9: I don't miss things like this. But it's not twenty percent.

2278
01:48:49,732 --> 01:48:51,452
Speaker 9: It's five percent on a Tuesday.

2279
01:48:52,412 --> 01:48:55,173
Speaker 2: Okay, what about the twenty percent at Burger King? Is

2280
01:48:55,213 --> 01:48:56,452
Speaker 2: that is that true?

2281
01:48:57,253 --> 01:48:59,932
Speaker 9: I don't know if it's twenty percent at Burger King.

2282
01:49:00,053 --> 01:49:03,052
Speaker 9: But you know, just following them on from the other commentation,

2283
01:49:03,093 --> 01:49:08,692
Speaker 9: he doesn't go and all that. No, no, but reward points,

2284
01:49:08,772 --> 01:49:10,772
Speaker 9: reward points, Yes, I do use them, and I do

2285
01:49:11,013 --> 01:49:13,932
Speaker 9: use the ones that will worth count down whatever they're called.

2286
01:49:13,973 --> 01:49:16,692
Speaker 9: Now we're worth And there's the other guy who rang

2287
01:49:16,772 --> 01:49:19,333
Speaker 9: up and he said, get one hundred and twenty five

2288
01:49:19,853 --> 01:49:23,772
Speaker 9: dollars worth of points and he lost them, so it

2289
01:49:23,933 --> 01:49:26,372
Speaker 9: wasn't worth it. I did some quick calculations because I'm

2290
01:49:26,452 --> 01:49:28,732
Speaker 9: like that, Well, to get one hundred and twenty five points,

2291
01:49:28,732 --> 01:49:32,173
Speaker 9: you get fifteen points for every two thousand dollars that

2292
01:49:32,253 --> 01:49:34,772
Speaker 9: you spend or something like that, so's there's quite a

2293
01:49:34,812 --> 01:49:36,973
Speaker 9: lot of money there's had to spend. And when you

2294
01:49:37,133 --> 01:49:39,372
Speaker 9: go there, you use your rewards card. They tell you

2295
01:49:39,452 --> 01:49:45,052
Speaker 9: you've got a fifteen percent Actually use so use it. Yeah,

2296
01:49:45,093 --> 01:49:47,173
Speaker 9: I don't say it, but a little it disappear.

2297
01:49:47,333 --> 01:49:49,772
Speaker 2: Now, you said before, Marie, because you're like that. And

2298
01:49:49,853 --> 01:49:51,652
Speaker 2: I think because I've been trying to drill in, because

2299
01:49:51,652 --> 01:49:53,173
Speaker 2: I'm getting a lot of pushback on this, I'm trying

2300
01:49:53,213 --> 01:49:54,732
Speaker 2: to drill in why I've got a problem with them,

2301
01:49:54,772 --> 01:49:58,253
Speaker 2: And I think it's because it's a mix between I

2302
01:49:58,372 --> 01:50:00,652
Speaker 2: feel like I'm not clever enough to work out how

2303
01:50:00,692 --> 01:50:03,652
Speaker 2: to utilize it best, so I have fomo about it,

2304
01:50:04,652 --> 01:50:06,772
Speaker 2: and so I'm going to drive it when there's a

2305
01:50:06,853 --> 01:50:08,372
Speaker 2: reward thing. I was like, I'm not doing it. I

2306
01:50:08,492 --> 01:50:10,333
Speaker 2: understand to do it. I can't. I don't want to

2307
01:50:10,372 --> 01:50:13,492
Speaker 2: learn the system. I'm stressed already, I'm busy. I don't

2308
01:50:13,532 --> 01:50:15,133
Speaker 2: I want to do that. So it's a cross between

2309
01:50:15,173 --> 01:50:17,213
Speaker 2: the stress and the fomo that I'm not doing it,

2310
01:50:17,293 --> 01:50:18,852
Speaker 2: and then as a result, I'm just going to throw

2311
01:50:18,893 --> 01:50:20,372
Speaker 2: the whole baby out with the bath water. I think

2312
01:50:20,412 --> 01:50:22,932
Speaker 2: that's what it is. But someone like you, you're smart

2313
01:50:23,532 --> 01:50:25,253
Speaker 2: and you can work it out and you can hold

2314
01:50:25,293 --> 01:50:27,372
Speaker 2: those numbers in your head to the point where you

2315
01:50:27,492 --> 01:50:29,973
Speaker 2: can utilize it. So it's actually a failing in me

2316
01:50:30,093 --> 01:50:31,852
Speaker 2: that I don't like these cards. That's what I've come to.

2317
01:50:32,213 --> 01:50:35,972
Speaker 9: Well, yes see, I spend most of my life, most

2318
01:50:36,013 --> 01:50:37,412
Speaker 9: of my day analyzing stuff.

2319
01:50:37,532 --> 01:50:38,852
Speaker 7: Is what I do, analyze data.

2320
01:50:39,372 --> 01:50:40,213
Speaker 16: I just like it.

2321
01:50:41,253 --> 01:50:43,692
Speaker 9: And I was sort of I was thinking, like, so,

2322
01:50:44,133 --> 01:50:45,452
Speaker 9: because we've been speaking about.

2323
01:50:45,253 --> 01:50:46,333
Speaker 19: We go there and.

2324
01:50:48,372 --> 01:50:50,333
Speaker 9: The other one that starts with those impack as well,

2325
01:50:51,133 --> 01:50:55,173
Speaker 9: and then I can't I mean, you know, I am

2326
01:50:55,213 --> 01:50:57,012
Speaker 9: always trying to lose weight as well, but I've worked

2327
01:50:57,053 --> 01:50:59,372
Speaker 9: out a way that is working for me at the moment.

2328
01:51:00,173 --> 01:51:03,372
Speaker 9: But again I think it's too so like using reward points,

2329
01:51:03,652 --> 01:51:07,372
Speaker 9: it takes a lot of effort. Can't be bothered. Losing

2330
01:51:07,492 --> 01:51:08,852
Speaker 9: weight it takes a lot of effort.

2331
01:51:09,253 --> 01:51:09,972
Speaker 7: Can't be bothered.

2332
01:51:11,772 --> 01:51:13,293
Speaker 9: Life takes a lot of effort.

2333
01:51:14,572 --> 01:51:17,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, But interestingly enough, say, for example, i went for

2334
01:51:17,492 --> 01:51:19,892
Speaker 2: a ten kilometer run this morning, so I've got I've

2335
01:51:19,893 --> 01:51:22,253
Speaker 2: got effit for that. So there's different brains, isn't it.

2336
01:51:22,372 --> 01:51:24,612
Speaker 2: So I've got it to do the exercise, but I

2337
01:51:24,652 --> 01:51:28,492
Speaker 2: don't have the brain space to work out six percent.

2338
01:51:28,652 --> 01:51:32,412
Speaker 2: And when do I get my first thing to maximize this?

2339
01:51:32,652 --> 01:51:34,213
Speaker 2: And then I get annoyed when I'm asked to do

2340
01:51:34,293 --> 01:51:36,572
Speaker 2: a review and it just it just feels like I'm

2341
01:51:36,572 --> 01:51:38,213
Speaker 2: being set upon by the whole rewards thing.

2342
01:51:39,013 --> 01:51:42,093
Speaker 9: Yeah, I understand that, But also the other thing, my

2343
01:51:42,372 --> 01:51:45,372
Speaker 9: other key thing about life is guess what it's good at,

2344
01:51:45,412 --> 01:51:46,372
Speaker 9: what you're interested in.

2345
01:51:47,213 --> 01:51:50,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good point, it's a good point. Yeah yeah.

2346
01:51:50,253 --> 01:51:52,452
Speaker 9: If you're interested in running, you're going to say, how

2347
01:51:52,492 --> 01:51:53,253
Speaker 9: long did it take me?

2348
01:51:53,492 --> 01:51:54,452
Speaker 7: Was there any sign?

2349
01:51:55,013 --> 01:51:56,253
Speaker 9: How did I feel after that one.

2350
01:51:56,532 --> 01:51:59,452
Speaker 2: I'm all about those stats, cadence, the whole thing. Yeah,

2351
01:51:59,572 --> 01:52:01,652
Speaker 2: I'm deep into that. Got to follow the passion. Yeah,

2352
01:52:01,973 --> 01:52:05,093
Speaker 2: maybe interested in data. Yeah, you're interested in data. So

2353
01:52:05,412 --> 01:52:07,213
Speaker 2: just across the board, you're a data person.

2354
01:52:07,532 --> 01:52:09,492
Speaker 3: You could just rent your south out Marie to me,

2355
01:52:09,893 --> 01:52:12,053
Speaker 3: you know, just charge out. I don't know how much

2356
01:52:12,053 --> 01:52:13,932
Speaker 3: would you charge per hour and you can sort out

2357
01:52:13,933 --> 01:52:15,013
Speaker 3: all of his cards for them.

2358
01:52:16,572 --> 01:52:18,612
Speaker 2: I'll pay you one hundred dollars an hour to run

2359
01:52:18,692 --> 01:52:20,133
Speaker 2: my rewards programs for me.

2360
01:52:20,452 --> 01:52:21,852
Speaker 3: He'll give you a three cents off a leader.

2361
01:52:23,133 --> 01:52:26,652
Speaker 2: Hey, Marie, have you noticed that people people say these data?

2362
01:52:26,812 --> 01:52:29,253
Speaker 2: There's a way I've noticed that the way people use

2363
01:52:29,293 --> 01:52:31,213
Speaker 2: the word data, and I can't quite get my head

2364
01:52:31,213 --> 01:52:31,532
Speaker 2: around it.

2365
01:52:31,612 --> 01:52:33,852
Speaker 7: So they go, no, I haven't heard that. No one

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01:52:33,853 --> 01:52:35,333
Speaker 7: would say that to me, these.

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Speaker 3: Data like all over that.

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Speaker 2: I was listening to Andrew Hubman the other day and

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01:52:40,732 --> 01:52:42,652
Speaker 2: he was talking about these data and I was like,

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01:52:42,732 --> 01:52:43,612
Speaker 2: what do you mean? Are you using that?

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01:52:43,652 --> 01:52:45,412
Speaker 3: Writer and chromatically correct?

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01:52:45,492 --> 01:52:46,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll welcome to that. Hey, but think if you

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01:52:47,093 --> 01:52:49,452
Speaker 2: call Marie absolutely and joy. I loved it.

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01:52:49,652 --> 01:52:53,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you, Marie Reese. How you doing? Yeah,

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01:52:53,853 --> 01:52:56,173
Speaker 3: good guy, it's you very well, what do you reckon

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01:52:56,173 --> 01:52:57,452
Speaker 3: about these rewards programs?

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Speaker 17: Hey, look, I think they do serve a really good purpose,

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01:53:01,572 --> 01:53:03,933
Speaker 17: but you do have to be quite tricky. So what

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01:53:04,173 --> 01:53:07,612
Speaker 17: we ended up doing is we ended up signing up

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01:53:07,772 --> 01:53:11,492
Speaker 17: four times with four different aliases to the Countdown one,

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01:53:12,053 --> 01:53:14,492
Speaker 17: so then they can't But then they can't track our

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01:53:14,853 --> 01:53:19,852
Speaker 17: spenditure because initially, when that everyday rewards came out, we

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01:53:20,053 --> 01:53:23,932
Speaker 17: use just one account for our household, and we noticed

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01:53:23,973 --> 01:53:26,892
Speaker 17: that we started off getting really good rewards and then

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01:53:26,933 --> 01:53:30,532
Speaker 17: they just disappeared. So now we're doing multiple and you

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01:53:30,612 --> 01:53:34,852
Speaker 17: can actually transfer points in between accounts, so that's how

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01:53:34,893 --> 01:53:38,692
Speaker 17: we end up getting multiple weet better deal, and then

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01:53:38,772 --> 01:53:41,013
Speaker 17: you end up transferring the points and then you get

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01:53:41,053 --> 01:53:45,013
Speaker 17: fifteen dollars ouch, just quicker. But to go back to

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01:53:45,333 --> 01:53:49,093
Speaker 17: what you guys were talking about, how how you don't

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01:53:49,133 --> 01:53:52,653
Speaker 17: think you've saved a lot at New World and Countdown

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01:53:52,933 --> 01:53:57,333
Speaker 17: or World War Worse. You both are getting specials that

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01:53:57,853 --> 01:54:01,293
Speaker 17: if you do use the rewards point rewards cards, you

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01:54:01,412 --> 01:54:05,092
Speaker 17: actually get to sale price on a lot more items,

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01:54:05,772 --> 01:54:08,692
Speaker 17: whereas if you just go in and you don't scare one,

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01:54:09,372 --> 01:54:11,972
Speaker 17: then you are actually missing out on that initial savings

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01:54:12,333 --> 01:54:14,732
Speaker 17: and I think the core about that Robert Harris coffee

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01:54:15,053 --> 01:54:19,852
Speaker 17: prior was maybe exaggerating, but I think that you do

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01:54:20,053 --> 01:54:23,213
Speaker 17: end up getting, you know, one to three dollars off

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01:54:23,692 --> 01:54:27,772
Speaker 17: some items, you really do. But it's whether you know

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01:54:27,973 --> 01:54:30,892
Speaker 17: you're fixed on having that one particular product, or you're

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01:54:30,933 --> 01:54:34,013
Speaker 17: willing to explore, you know, a different coffee, and then

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01:54:34,053 --> 01:54:36,533
Speaker 17: you move to a different coffee. That's probably where you

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01:54:36,693 --> 01:54:38,573
Speaker 17: get more savings if you just followed that.

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01:54:39,533 --> 01:54:41,972
Speaker 2: Well, you follow when it's you follow where it's where

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01:54:42,013 --> 01:54:43,253
Speaker 2: it's currently the club saving.

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01:54:44,573 --> 01:54:47,173
Speaker 17: Yeah, exactly. So my wife will sit at home and

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01:54:47,413 --> 01:54:50,213
Speaker 17: she'll just sit there with three tabs open, and she'll

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01:54:50,253 --> 01:54:53,893
Speaker 17: go new World, pack and save and will worse, and

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01:54:53,973 --> 01:54:56,133
Speaker 17: then she'll just go, Okay, we need coffee. That's what

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01:54:56,253 --> 01:54:58,132
Speaker 17: we normally like. Which one's the cheapest?

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01:54:58,533 --> 01:54:58,693
Speaker 7: Yes?

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01:54:58,772 --> 01:55:02,932
Speaker 2: And then again, see the system. The system rewards people.

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01:55:03,053 --> 01:55:05,373
Speaker 2: The systems raw people that are willing to work it

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01:55:05,453 --> 01:55:07,653
Speaker 2: and are smart enough to work it, like you guys

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01:55:07,653 --> 01:55:10,733
Speaker 2: are obviously a couple of smart cookies, and so you

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01:55:10,812 --> 01:55:16,173
Speaker 2: can run system to your vantergy. Some factor are smart

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01:55:16,253 --> 01:55:21,013
Speaker 2: and cheap. Thanks for your cool, Reese, appreciate it.

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01:55:21,133 --> 01:55:23,173
Speaker 3: Playing that game very well, mate, Thank you very much

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01:55:23,213 --> 01:55:25,133
Speaker 3: for I'm going to take a quick break back very shortly.

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01:55:25,173 --> 01:55:26,333
Speaker 3: It is seven to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:55:31,053 --> 01:55:35,012
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: Used talks, B News Talks there B it is five

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Speaker 3: to four.

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Speaker 2: So I'm getting a lot of pushback. There's people out

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01:55:41,533 --> 01:55:43,373
Speaker 2: there that love their royalty cards and it seems that

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01:55:43,493 --> 01:55:47,093
Speaker 2: the fuel and supermarket ones are very popular. And this

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01:55:47,333 --> 01:55:51,453
Speaker 2: person heres his Matt coffee and sushi click cards rule

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01:55:51,772 --> 01:55:55,453
Speaker 2: m up it way you click click, click click, you know,

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01:55:55,533 --> 01:55:56,092
Speaker 2: for your coffee.

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01:55:56,293 --> 01:55:57,573
Speaker 3: But again you don't carry a wallet.

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01:55:57,693 --> 01:56:00,573
Speaker 2: So yeah, but hanging on, I don't like to do

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01:56:00,613 --> 01:56:02,693
Speaker 2: that because I've got my favorite cafes and my favorite

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01:56:02,733 --> 01:56:05,053
Speaker 2: shops and I don't want to take a freebie from them.

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01:56:05,373 --> 01:56:06,733
Speaker 3: I want to do that nice.

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01:56:07,013 --> 01:56:10,373
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, enjoy your service. You don't need to

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01:56:10,373 --> 01:56:13,253
Speaker 2: give me anything back. I'm happy to buy all ten

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01:56:13,333 --> 01:56:14,493
Speaker 2: coffees without getting one from it.

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Speaker 3: You were back in business.

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01:56:15,493 --> 01:56:17,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think I think there is a certain

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01:56:17,653 --> 01:56:19,653
Speaker 2: mindset and I think I've got to the bottom of it.

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01:56:19,733 --> 01:56:21,453
Speaker 2: Some of us, those people that don't like them, we

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01:56:21,493 --> 01:56:22,772
Speaker 2: don't necessarily like being tracked.

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01:56:22,812 --> 01:56:23,133
Speaker 9: We don't.

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01:56:23,453 --> 01:56:25,453
Speaker 2: We just want to buy something. We don't want to

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01:56:25,613 --> 01:56:28,453
Speaker 2: give an extra thing. Then we've bought it, like our

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01:56:28,533 --> 01:56:31,693
Speaker 2: information yep. And we don't like them, the admin, and

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01:56:31,772 --> 01:56:34,613
Speaker 2: we don't like the sinking feeling like we're missing out

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01:56:34,613 --> 01:56:36,533
Speaker 2: on something because we don't understand how the system works.

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01:56:36,613 --> 01:56:42,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, nailed it. Thank you very much for today. That

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01:56:42,453 --> 01:56:43,573
Speaker 3: is everything we've got for today.

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01:56:43,772 --> 01:56:47,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for listening. We'll be back tomorrow.

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01:56:47,613 --> 01:56:50,093
Speaker 2: Until then, give them a taste of Kiwi from Tyler and.

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01:56:50,133 --> 01:56:51,053
Speaker 3: I Love You.

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