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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Ward Leland and Michael Hurst have acting resumes that

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Speaker 2: range from pimps to politicians the animated version. It's a

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Speaker 2: good thing, guys, it's not a bad thing. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I should have said politicians to perps. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: which is better or worse to animated versions of Buzzy Bet.

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Speaker 2: They've been a countless productions together, but it had never

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Speaker 2: been just the two of them on stage until their

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Speaker 2: most recent stage work in other Words. In the show,

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Speaker 2: Jennifer and Michael play a married couple dealing with the

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Speaker 2: onset of Alzheimer's. It had a sold out run in

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Speaker 2: Auckland last year, a massive response and fantastic news. Jennifer

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Speaker 2: and Michael are now taking in other Words nationwide and

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Speaker 2: they are with us in person in studio this morning,

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Speaker 2: Cold Accord to We're great to see it is a

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Speaker 2: great pleasure to be speaking with you. And like I say,

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Speaker 2: I know when Other Words showed a Q Theater in Auckland,

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Speaker 2: there was just a huge response, sold out shows everywhere.

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Speaker 2: So people are going to be delighted to know that

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Speaker 2: it's going on the road.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really thrilled to be doing this. I think

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Speaker 3: it was one of the when I say the naisiest

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Speaker 3: audience it's I mean that in the very best way,

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Speaker 3: because while we were performing, we were often hearing them

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Speaker 3: going yep, yes, oh yeah, because I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: one new Zealander who hasn't had well, it would be

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Speaker 3: rare to find a new Zealander who hasn't had some

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Speaker 3: connection in some way to some either member of their

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Speaker 3: FARO or friends or friends of friends who've experienced dementia.

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Speaker 2: And this is the thing because it's in some respects

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Speaker 2: it's a heavy subject, but in other respects, like it

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Speaker 2: strikes me that it is kind of this weird sort

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Speaker 2: of taboo in that it feels like given the impact

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Speaker 2: it has on people's lives and like you say, kind

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Speaker 2: of everyone's lives, including mine and including yours, I'm sure slip,

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Speaker 2: we're not. We kind of don't confront it. Maybe as

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't call it it is a it is kind

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Speaker 4: of a sad or if this play isn't like that,

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Speaker 4: it's it's certainly, but it's levity and uplifting and human

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Speaker 4: condition and caring and all of those things and music,

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Speaker 4: so all of those things which are part of the

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Speaker 3: Yes, but I think what you're you're right there, Jack

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Speaker 3: in that what is unspoken, I think is the work

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Speaker 3: of the caregivers quiet one, and we don't hear about

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Speaker 3: that much. And that's that's often the loved one, the

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Speaker 3: partner who's actually bearing the brunt of that muhy, which

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Speaker 3: is unpaid most of the time unless somebody has got

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Speaker 3: to the stage where they need to be in care

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Speaker 3: dementia in it or something like that. So for this

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Speaker 3: couple Jane and Arthur, of course, you know, they've been

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Speaker 3: together a long time, they know each other well, and

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Speaker 3: then Michael's character starts developing these symptoms and you know,

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Speaker 3: you you sort of brush it off with, oh, it's

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Speaker 3: just you know, old age, you know, forgetfulness, all of

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Speaker 3: Is the beautiful thing about the players. We step out

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Speaker 3: of our the characters kind of step out of the

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Speaker 3: scenes and talk directly to the audience saying things like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I didn't know what was wrong. I thought

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Speaker 4: Thought I had the flu.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know, it's very much like that.

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Speaker 3: So I think the audience feel very brought into the hole,

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Speaker 4: And also that does work as a sort of a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you and I know people experience when their

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Speaker 3: loved ones has has dementia. There are all sorts of

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Speaker 3: different kinds, we know that, and sometimes you can have

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Speaker 3: a complete personality change, getting aggressive, sometimes it's very sweet,

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Speaker 3: just confused, all of those things. And this play kind

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Speaker 3: of shows all of those things in a very tight

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Speaker 3: the feedback that we've had from people has been really

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Speaker 2: And it's it's not often that you you think about

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: And I've had women after, you know, waiting for me

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Speaker 4: Were you surprised by their Michael, not so much surprise. Well,

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Speaker 4: you'd hear people.

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Speaker 3: Go, they know, this is a little status.

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Speaker 4: So it becomes an organic part of the performance. Actually,

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Speaker 2: It made you? Has it made you reconsider your own

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Speaker 2: you go to the store, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Examine it. I have found I've been examining everything. And

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Speaker 4: then you know, like as Jennifer said, you go, oh, no,

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Speaker 4: it's just it's just I remember all sorts of lines.

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Speaker 4: It's just me getting older. And then you go, what

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Speaker 4: is that word? What I'm going to leave until I've

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Speaker 3: Or and I think you know that. One of the

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Speaker 3: other interesting things about actually learning the words was in

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Speaker 3: the script. Learning the script is in one particular scene,

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Speaker 3: they are talking at cross purposes because what he's hearing

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Speaker 3: And you know, you have to download a book into

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Speaker 3: get rid of that book and the next one. But

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Speaker 3: And I realized it's because there was no natural purposely

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Speaker 4: No you know you were connections.

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Speaker 3: The connections were so different because these people are connecting

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Speaker 3: differently but woven through. And why the play is called

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Speaker 3: in other words, of course, is the music of Frank Sinatra,

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Speaker 3: Having an episode, the music exactly a touch and it

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Speaker 3: brings them back to love to each other. So ultimately

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Speaker 3: it's it's full of love and and hope in what

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Speaker 2: I'm sure everyone always says, oh, what's performing together? So

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to go there. It's a question, Well,

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Speaker 3: The best thing is that we have an innate trust

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Speaker 3: We have a shorthand we can dissect things if they're

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Speaker 3: I think he's a great actor. So that's the best

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, i'd agree with most of that. I

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Speaker 4: because of the nature of the couple, you know, habits

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Speaker 4: of a long relationship. It's funny to be on stage

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Speaker 4: Like what do you mean? Just questioning like we normally

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Speaker 3: Hey? God, I did that aligned to him at home

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Speaker 3: And I said, did you pay that? You know that?

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Speaker 3: Did you talk to the bank about that?

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Speaker 4: But I mean, we don't break care but I was

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Speaker 4: doing exactly what I do in the play. That's and

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Speaker 4: I guess difficulty. I'm not sure if there is a

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Speaker 2: What about if you're like, what about if you in

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Speaker 3: I would never bring that on the stage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, of course not. But there must

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Speaker 3: Is that hard? I think no. Look, I think the

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Speaker 3: whole discipline of when you arrive in the theater and

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Speaker 2: So it's a compartment absolutely.

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Speaker 4: You know, if we were grumpy, and I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: that we have been particularly grumpy in this play, but

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Speaker 4: let's just get anoledge that and use that as because

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Speaker 4: the stink of the streets before you go on to

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Speaker 2: Of course, yes, and.

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Speaker 3: I also think we're kind of unprofessional to even doing

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Speaker 4: Before you went on stage. Normally say yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: I'm going I'm going to throw you a bad cue.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to be late in that queue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No. But but people do ask us in forums

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Speaker 3: I think we're quite robust actors and that we've been

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Speaker 3: doing that for many years. And so you do your work,

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Speaker 3: you leave it where it belongs, and then we can

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Speaker 3: pretty quickly, as I said, leave the stage and talk about, oh,

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Speaker 3: we need to fix that or do this.

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't make it harder to disconnect, because that

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Speaker 2: was my other question, like, you finish the finished performance

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Speaker 2: you know, here's it, haw's you day, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: When you're both head exact the same kind of experience,

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Speaker 2: it's not harder to get in the car and then

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Speaker 4: I think it's pretty quick for us, you know, and

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Speaker 4: also remember we have gone through it and gotten rid

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Speaker 4: of the way right literally, I mean I often think

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Speaker 4: about about the kind of therapy nature of all. If

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Speaker 4: I think of all the things I've had to go through,

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Speaker 4: all the deaths, all the times I've literally been killed

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Speaker 4: anything huge that you've gone.

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Speaker 5: Through that you kind of you go through them and

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Speaker 5: you bring all those the simulacrum of all of those

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Speaker 4: Yea, So maybe there's a bit of that. Often it's

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Speaker 2: Jennifer, I had to ask you about your eighteen months

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Speaker 2: How has it? How has it been?

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Speaker 3: It's been wonderful because it's not the first. I've been

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I suspected I might know the answer this. Are

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about alien weaponry?

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Speaker 2: About the documentary?

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet, but I'm dying it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: I would say that's not my music of choice. However, Yeah,

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