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Speaker 1: So king order under fire for ditching will carpets in

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Speaker 1: favor of nylon, and that is despite government plans to

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Speaker 1: direct government agencies to use wool over anything else where possible.

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Speaker 1: Caring Aura says it's cost analysis has shown nylon was

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Speaker 1: thirty four percent cheaper than more alternatives, and so joining

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Speaker 1: me to talk about this is the man who blew

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Speaker 1: the whistle, Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson Hew the.

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Speaker 2: Mark hillo Angela, how are you going today?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. If nylon's really that much cheaper, can we

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Speaker 1: really be upset with Caring Aura?

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Speaker 2: Well, how do they know. They haven't even given the

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Speaker 2: carpet manufacturers a chance to tender, So it's pretty premature statement.

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Speaker 1: How do you think it's cheaper?

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Speaker 2: Because it's not all about price, it's about value, and

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Speaker 2: you will carpets certainly have some attributes that synthetics will

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Speaker 2: never be able to match the same for healthier, more

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Speaker 2: environmentally friendly tarpets. There's a big swing back to war actually,

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Speaker 2: and there's good reason for that. But this isn't the

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Speaker 2: coalition agreement. I think that's get issues here and somewhere

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Speaker 2: deep within the bowels of MB that decided to defy that.

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Speaker 2: So that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was wondering whether this was just a knee

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Speaker 1: jerk somebody going the government wants to save money. I

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Speaker 1: believe that nylon is cheaper, and they just went we'll

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Speaker 1: go nylon.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, it could be. And I mean this is

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Speaker 2: sort of an operational issue for them at one level,

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Speaker 2: but then it is directly in the coalition agreement. It's

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Speaker 2: clear the intent of the government here. We're trying to

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Speaker 2: revitalize the sheep industry and the war industry. We're starting

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Speaker 2: to make some progress on that, but this is a

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Speaker 2: bit of a kick in the guts and certainly to

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Speaker 2: feedback from getting from farmers and the industry in general.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned you mentioned it briefly or way. The

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Speaker 1: Brend with CEO Greg Smith was on with Mike Hosking

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Speaker 1: this morning and when I asked, he claimed that they

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Speaker 1: could be competitive on price, but even more worryingly, they

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Speaker 1: weren't asked to forward a price at all. So is

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Speaker 1: KO not shopping around for the best deal and therefore

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Speaker 1: breaking its promise with the government, And isn't this what

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Speaker 1: they were supposed to be doing to give the taxpayer

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Speaker 1: bang for buck?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, that they didn't. That tender did not allow

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Speaker 2: for the tablets to even be considered in new builds,

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Speaker 2: which is a direct contradiction to the government's and key.

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Speaker 2: So Greg has got every right to be a bit

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Speaker 2: agreed about that, as am I.

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Speaker 1: The other bigger question is also do government agencies actually

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Speaker 1: have an obligation to the state, to the people, to

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Speaker 1: the farmers to support our wool industry even if it

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Speaker 1: costs more.

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Speaker 2: Well, as I say, it's not all that price. It's

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Speaker 2: about value on the more holistic part of it, which is,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's safer, healthier, more environment and friendly supporting

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Speaker 2: our law industry as sheep farmers that have really been

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Speaker 2: struggling of late. So it is that's why it's in

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Speaker 2: a coalition agreement. It's why New Zealand First has campaigned

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Speaker 2: on it for a number of elections and National have

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Speaker 2: been good enough to come on board with it in

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Speaker 2: the coalition agreement and we want it to be wanted.

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Speaker 1: But the other coalition partner Act Well claim that this

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Speaker 1: is good old classic corporate welfare.

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Speaker 2: Well, we all sign up to various things in the

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Speaker 2: coalition agreement that we might not totally be on board with,

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Speaker 2: but you know, it's there in black and white, and

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Speaker 2: that's the way this government operates. And we'll work through this.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we're will, and we've just been blindsided. This

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Speaker 2: has come out of NBM. We'll have a look at

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Speaker 2: this and see if there's anything we can do at

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Speaker 2: least get the wall guys a chance to put energy,

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Speaker 2: because that's the re least they can expect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds fair. Mat Pattison of course associated Agriculture

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