1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: Jason Wall's good afternoon. 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 2: Oh, good afternoon, Andrew, how are you good. 3 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Christopher Lexin's done the State of the Nation speech. He's 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: upset the Greens. He says, we say no too much. 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: There's a new agency. Any surprises though in his speech nothing. 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Too spectacularly surprising. I mean, as I alluded to yesterday, 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: one of the focuses on his speech was about more 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: mining in New Zealand and lux instead, it needs to 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: play a bigger role in the economy. In terms of specifics, 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: he didn't really get into that level of nitty gritty, 11 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: but he did say that it was easy to say 12 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: what you want when you have a sovereign wealth fund 13 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: like Norway or much higher incomes like Australia, but it's 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: much harder to say you want the oil and mining 15 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: that pays for it. And then he went on to 16 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: talk about regions like Taranaki in the West Coast. There 17 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: is big economic opportunities there with high incomes and support 18 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: for local businesses and family and he wants to see 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: more mining in New Zealand and more bolstering of that sector. 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: He also Andrew was talking about how it was quite 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: helpful for the environmental side in terms of more mining 22 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: being critical for the climate transition. He talked about evs, 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: solar panels and data centers that are needed to make 24 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: clean energy and he said that they quote aren't made 25 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: out of thin air. Of course, the Greens weren't particularly 26 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: happy about that. Chloe Schwarburck took him with a number 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: of things in his speech and said that there's no 28 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: future in turning our country into a chop shop and 29 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: selling critical assets for parts. And meanwhile, the Labor Party 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: who had its caucus retreat today as well, it's been 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: a week for retreats around the country. Chris Hipgins was 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: showing not a lot of optimism for the speech either. However, 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: he wasn't really getting into any of Labour's new playbook 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: of policies, saying only that announcements would be made in 35 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: the coming months. 36 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking to Tom McClay about the state of 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: the Nation's speech and the new agency just after five 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: right now tomorrow big day. But David Semo was not going. 39 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: He's not and this isn't a particular surprise because the 40 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: Semore's never gone to Ratna. It's just not really his 41 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: in his wheelhouse of things, that he likes to do, 42 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: and he'll be as I understand that the only political 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: leader not there in terms of representing their party. What 44 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: some would say, you know, Ratna is the start of 45 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: the political year, which is a phrase that I always hate, 46 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: but you know, in other years it's been true. Not 47 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: this year. I think we've had a summer's worth of 48 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 2: political developments happening since Sunday, all in the space of 49 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: a week. Seymour, as I said, has never gone to 50 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: Ratina and is certainly not starting this year. He would 51 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: have got somewhat of a frosty welcome, to say the least. 52 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: I mean, not that he would have really cared about that. 53 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: I think it's very deliberate that he's done acts or 54 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: he's doing act State of the Nation on the same day. 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: It means that he gets to speak in front of 56 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 2: a friendly crowd who want to hear from him, rather 57 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 2: than one that frankly doesn't. He will get to lay 58 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 2: out his reasons for why he thinks the Treaties Principals 59 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: Bill should go ahead in front of essentially a home 60 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: crowd ahead of this submissions starting next week. In terms 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: of what he's expected to say, well as I understand it. 62 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: He's going to lay out the case for even more 63 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: cuts the government spending. Meanwhile, Luxon will be done in 64 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: Ratna and he will face the heat from those in 65 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: attendance because of the treaty's principal bill. But I think 66 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: he's going to do what he's done every other time 67 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: that he's spoken at a Ratana or White Tangi, which 68 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: is focusing on the tangible and quantifiable results for Marty 69 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: he's always talked about. Instead of just talking about lifting 70 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: mary achievement, he's actually focused on turning it around in 71 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 2: some of the key areas, such as the shocking stats 72 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: in health and education, which I think is the right approach. 73 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: I mean, if you actually get to start turning around 74 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: some of these statistics, you don't really have much of 75 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: an argument that he's not really working and helping for Marty, 76 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: but he actually needs to do it and these statistics 77 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: needs to turn around or else he's going to be 78 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: facing heat from all sides. 79 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: Yes, but if he ends up targeting people with skin color, 80 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: then there's going to be heat from his coalition partners 81 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: as well. So you know he's going to have to 82 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: ride or walk on a very thin type rope. 83 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: Yes, and he always has. It's kind of the rod 84 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: that he's made himself for this coalition government. 85 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Can I say I don't understand that? 86 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: To know, I've always thought it was a bit of 87 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: an achronism. It's been around for a while, it's a 88 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: long time, but so close to White tonguey Day it 89 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: kind of sort of diffuses the message. But it's a 90 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: lovely church and I've been to that church and it 91 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: really is quite an architectural marvel. Thanks for your time, Jason. 92 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 93 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 94 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.