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Speaker 1: Well, welcome in to the Helenstein's on Queen Street in Auckland,
Speaker 1: where it is a great pleasure to welcome in dear
Speaker 1: friend of the show, Kyle Mels.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Kyle. How are you going mate? Very well,
Speaker 2: delighted to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a little bit more energetic than j Laan's
Speaker 1: this morning, which suggests to me that you didn't get
Speaker 1: up at stupid o'clock in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: to watch every single ball of what is essentially the
Speaker 1: deadest rubber that we've had in a World Cup for
Speaker 1: living memory.
Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah, I actually think Gelane's looking pretty good condition.
Speaker 2: Thanks man.
Speaker 4: The best of you ever seen that You've seen me
Speaker 4: in some states as well, Kyle.
Speaker 2: Look, I wasn't just watching though, was I Mean?
Speaker 4: I I were commentating on Sky Sport, so I actually
Speaker 4: had to have my wits about me slightly. But what
Speaker 4: was most wounding is coming in at ten to two
Speaker 4: in the morning.
Speaker 2: That's not even early. It's late.
Speaker 4: It's almost late, you know what I mean. I had
Speaker 4: to get up late. Yeah, that's still nighttime. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: and come in and then be greeted with covers on
Speaker 4: the field and rain, So there was an hour and
Speaker 4: a bit rain delay at two in the morning.
Speaker 2: Your commitment was admirable. That is thank you. Look your
Speaker 2: Papa New Guinea, the heavyweight of Papua New Guinea. Highlight
Speaker 2: of the match.
Speaker 4: We'll just cover this match quickly before we go back
Speaker 4: to the beginning of this World Cup campaign is pretty
Speaker 4: much the only ray of light was Lockie ferguson his
Speaker 4: four overs, no runs, three wickets.
Speaker 5: How difficult is that? Four maidens t twenty cricket. That's
Speaker 5: what a producers ah. The highlight of the game, twenty
Speaker 5: four dot deliveries.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that when I saw it this morning,
Speaker 1: I was like, I couldn't imagine getting up at you
Speaker 1: know what time, did you one thirty whatever it was,
Speaker 1: to only then see the covers come on and then
Speaker 1: four maiden overs in the of night.
Speaker 4: They were exciting maiden overs. I know that's hard, that's
Speaker 4: hard for you both to comprehend. But he got a
Speaker 4: wicket in his first ball, so it and then it
Speaker 4: was a maiden, so it was a wicket maiden.
Speaker 2: Who was the better.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I recognize any of those was the
Speaker 4: opening betsman, I remember that. Look they had a better
Speaker 4: batting line up than your gander, give you that. But
Speaker 4: then his second over, he got another wicket in his
Speaker 4: second over, and he had two wicket maidens. And then
Speaker 4: he came he went off and came back bowled another maiden,
Speaker 4: and then it was like, okay, can he bowl four maidens?
Speaker 4: And then he got a wicket in his fourth over
Speaker 4: ani maidens, So it was it was a lot more
Speaker 4: exciting than it sounded. And plus yeah, he was bowling heat.
Speaker 4: They were like, there was fizzing past these poor guys noses.
Speaker 4: They had no idea what swinging as well, swinging, swinging
Speaker 4: and bouncing.
Speaker 2: Hoping it anyway, let's cover that.
Speaker 4: But let's go back, Cole, we've got your hare looking
Speaker 4: for your kind of expert opinion.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the start. Now.
Speaker 4: New Zealand's campaign kicked off against Afghanistan, and there's been
Speaker 4: a lot of talk around the preparation before a tournament
Speaker 4: like this. We went in super cold. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of barbs.
Speaker 2: Being thrown around around the lack of preparation.
Speaker 4: How important is it to have those warm up games
Speaker 4: before a tournament.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's vital. I don't know the ins and outs.
Speaker 5: I kind of feel like we're a little bit victim
Speaker 5: of circumstance because I think we're Our first game was
Speaker 5: quite deep into the tournament, a foodline days since I
Speaker 5: think once the first game has happened in the tournament,
Speaker 5: no one can play any practice games in the event,
Speaker 5: So there's I think that's been blown up a little bit,
Speaker 5: probably more watching that game.
Speaker 2: We're really flat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think ten days in Guyana compared to say
Speaker 5: ten days in New York would be a difference to that, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've been to Guyana, but that
Speaker 5: can sort of make you pretty flats.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much South America, isn't it.
Speaker 5: It's the kool Aid. Yeah, it's Jamestown. Yeah, it's quite
Speaker 5: a way away. It's the top of South America. Yeah, Chanderpaul, Yeah,
Speaker 5: Alvin Kellataran yep.
Speaker 2: Nick of the Woods. So not much ado in Guyana.
Speaker 5: Yeah, ten days, that's quite Whereas if you had ten
Speaker 5: days in New York, I think the boys would be alive.
Speaker 1: They'll be vissing yeah, or that'd be dead after ten days.
Speaker 2: On the last. So how do you think they approached it? Then?
Speaker 2: Obviously they didn't have time.
Speaker 4: Obviously the various commitments around the world were t twenty
Speaker 4: competitions meant that the team probably got together but later
Speaker 4: than expected.
Speaker 2: But in my mind this is how I saw it.
Speaker 4: Potentially they saw the round robin players their warm ups
Speaker 4: in terms of, you know, get Afghanistan out of the
Speaker 4: way West Indie is probably the hardest opposition. Then you've
Speaker 4: got a couple of minnows and then hit the super
Speaker 4: eights running yeah, and then it went horribly wrong.
Speaker 5: We better I for the two minnows the minimum nos first, Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: because Afghanistan, and I said to my circle of friends,
Speaker 5: they're a banana skin team. On those surfaces and those conditions,
Speaker 5: they can be hard work. If they were happened to
Speaker 5: get on a roll, and you know, that's the case
Speaker 5: of that game was played in New Zealand or Australia,
Speaker 5: or South Africa or England, it would be a different
Speaker 5: result of the slow surfaces they got on song.
Speaker 2: We were exceptionally flat. I don't know if you watched it,
Speaker 2: were different.
Speaker 5: Conways part time man, not just respect to differentnything.
Speaker 2: But he was just he looked rusty behind the stumps and.
Speaker 4: The fielding was batwing for now and caught one in
Speaker 4: the sternum. I didn't even get to his hands. He
Speaker 4: just basically chested it down like luck he was.
Speaker 1: In the euro I know when you were trying to
Speaker 1: describe it afterwards, when people like what happened just like
Speaker 1: kind of nothing like. We should have probably limped towards
Speaker 1: a wind towards the end there, but it just petered out.
Speaker 1: And then in the end we had to bash a
Speaker 1: bunch to you know, to try and get there. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just was was the scheduling our
Speaker 1: biggest downfall because as soon as we lost that, now
Speaker 1: our second game is do or die, like when we're
Speaker 1: going against the host nation.
Speaker 2: So were we darted a little bit with the draw?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 5: I think so the draw and what I touched on earlier,
Speaker 5: you couldn't play a warm up game after once a
Speaker 5: talk as start us. All these factors came into play.
Speaker 5: I think we banked on our experience which didn't kind
Speaker 5: of come through the IPL.
Speaker 2: Most of our guys weren't playing.
Speaker 5: Only Malty was the only one that was playing consistent
Speaker 5: cricket over there. So I think I'm sure they'll do
Speaker 5: a review if they would have to go back and
Speaker 5: go through what we could have done better, and I
Speaker 5: think they would have changed. They would change quite a
Speaker 5: few things, just adding to to all this, isn't it
Speaker 5: these minnows like Nepau Nelly beats South Africa South Africa?
Speaker 5: The other day Scotland pushed Australia a little bit, beat Pakistan,
Speaker 5: USA bat pakst isn't it like it's actually kind of
Speaker 5: cool for the game. So if we play those teams
Speaker 5: over a five day test match, will when all the
Speaker 5: time maybe shortened the game?
Speaker 2: Everyone comes in.
Speaker 5: So the ACC eleven and say a one over game
Speaker 5: against any other team.
Speaker 2: You could you could have a chance.
Speaker 4: Well I don't know about that. We're seven. We dropped
Speaker 4: eleven catches. The many again that you like traders, we
Speaker 4: dropped eleven catches. Okay, that's that's tough.
Speaker 2: We know we did. He was there. That is true too.
Speaker 1: We've got one win, but it's got an asterix beside
Speaker 1: it because I think we scored two hundred odd for
Speaker 1: the loss of fifteen wickets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they put us back in again. We've scored so little.
Speaker 4: They said, just keep getting and we did and we got.
Speaker 4: They put up a good score and then they lost anyway.
Speaker 5: But look if Jason Hoyt worked on his running between
Speaker 5: the wickets, yes, you just never never know.
Speaker 2: So it's true.
Speaker 5: That's where the beauty of T twenty cricket is good.
Speaker 5: You're having all these minnow countries coming in, growing the
Speaker 5: game and all that pilava is really good.
Speaker 2: You look at the Football World Cup.
Speaker 5: We got all these teams now playing out who can
Speaker 5: produce upset results.
Speaker 2: So that is one I think.
Speaker 5: You know, we're a victim of it this this tournament,
Speaker 5: losing to Afghanistan, but that is one positive moving forward
Speaker 5: there where T twenty cricket has brought these minnows in
Speaker 5: and they've got a chance.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I suppose US and Pakistan can cry together in
Speaker 4: the changing rooms because obviously they were not not favorites,
Speaker 4: but they were seeing they're seen as a dangerous TEA
Speaker 4: twenty side and for them to get knocked out by
Speaker 4: the USA saying something I.
Speaker 5: Actually thought they could. You know, it was a all
Speaker 5: the way through. Actually, Pakistani one of those teams always
Speaker 5: like in the Pakistan cricket team to the French rugby team.
Speaker 2: You just don't know what you're going to get.
Speaker 5: You could the French rugby team could lose by fifty,
Speaker 5: or they could just go on a run in a
Speaker 5: given form throwing the port around that and they win
Speaker 5: by fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually selfishly lost a little bit of money
Speaker 1: on Pakistan only because I saw a video clip of
Speaker 1: Nathan Lyon saying he thought they were going to win,
Speaker 1: and so I just stole that take and I was
Speaker 1: telling you right now, I actually think.
Speaker 2: Pakistan, I'm probably gonna win this one. Nathan like huge
Speaker 2: twenty a lot, made a lot of Tea twenty. He
Speaker 2: knows the game and sided out.
Speaker 1: Nathan Lyne, Yeah do we Obviously most recently you were
Speaker 1: the bowling coach for the Black Cavs. Why I was
Speaker 1: talking to Lame about this, We obviously don't produce a
Speaker 1: lot of spinners because is that because of the pitchers
Speaker 1: that we produce that don't favor spin. And subsequent question,
Speaker 1: everyone in the world Afghanistan just did it to us?
Speaker 1: Has this like freak spinner out there? Do we need
Speaker 1: to doctor a few pictures so that we can breed
Speaker 1: a few spinners to take to these kind of tournaments.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think you're byproducts of the environment and
Speaker 5: you've mard it. We don't have the conditions. We play
Speaker 5: on really small ground, so even a park outer oval,
Speaker 5: it's a postage stamp. So if you're a spinner that
Speaker 5: gets it slightly wrong, yeah, you're met. You can go
Speaker 5: to the moon. So we kind of don't have those
Speaker 5: conditions that's conducive or encourages those spin bowlers to develop.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then for the longest time, we've always been like, well,
Speaker 1: but when teams come down here, we've got all these
Speaker 1: seamers that have been playing here their whole lives, and
Speaker 1: so that benefits us.
Speaker 2: The problem is now no one's coming down here.
Speaker 1: So we're just producing all of these players that have
Speaker 1: to go and play and terrible conditions.
Speaker 2: I reckon, we need to just doctor up a few pictures.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it, but and then
Speaker 1: and then just encourage a few more spinners because teams
Speaker 1: are opening with spinners in this tournament.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, But I mean, is it like Kyle you're saying,
Speaker 4: is that it's more to do with when you say conditions.
Speaker 4: It's actually almost environmental conditions as well, because last summer
Speaker 4: the pictures in New Zealand, for the first time in
Speaker 4: a long time, took turn.
Speaker 2: They did the basin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like normally it's a normally it's a green seamer,
Speaker 4: hardly spin it, Dan Vatory, just bold armball after armball,
Speaker 4: the sic bold medium paced this whole career, and then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden this summer, spinnings are going everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's right, Well that basin.
Speaker 5: I was there for that Basin Test and Nathan Lyon
Speaker 5: got fire, Phillips got fifer and this is all the talk.
Speaker 5: And I actually told that it's actually always turned to you. Dan,
Speaker 5: You just why are you saying this all the time?
Speaker 2: But I enjoyed that Test match for that reason.
Speaker 5: Our pictures here have become really their belters, even park
Speaker 5: they're just really good surfaces, and I think is a
Speaker 5: good thing producing these good wickets and good practice surfaces.
Speaker 5: But all the pictures around the country have almost become
Speaker 5: the same. I feel like Australia is like that as well.
Speaker 5: You'd think back to Australia, the whacker was always fast
Speaker 5: and bounce, so you swung a little bit at the Gabba.
Speaker 2: Seg was a turning wicket.
Speaker 5: Adelaide Oval was a bad at parent all these pictures
Speaker 5: were really really different. I feel now they've all kind
Speaker 5: of become the same and down here in all our
Speaker 5: pictures are kind of the same as as well. We
Speaker 5: don't have that variety throughout the country for players to
Speaker 5: experience different conditions.
Speaker 2: Who I don't really know how this works. Who dictates that?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 4: Is it the is it the kind of northern districts?
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it New Zealand cricket? Well?
Speaker 4: Who who facilitates and who manages what the pitches are
Speaker 4: going to be like?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think the International Games is not
Speaker 5: to be any is independent.
Speaker 4: So it's up to kJ And and Hamilton or it's
Speaker 4: up to Blair and we're in Auckland to produce a
Speaker 4: pitch that they think will produce a good game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's up to the grounds. It's up
Speaker 2: to the groundsmen.
Speaker 5: Well, they know their condition's best and they all talk
Speaker 5: now they think they meet once a year to have
Speaker 5: a conference conference.
Speaker 2: The council have a conference.
Speaker 4: That sounds all the curators, the curators, some curating their conference,
Speaker 4: some sharing of expertise, because I mean you look at
Speaker 4: places like the b c c I and when Australia
Speaker 4: too are there and some of the some of the
Speaker 4: pitch operations that were going over there that completely backfired
Speaker 4: on them on a couple of occasions. I was always
Speaker 4: wondering who actually yeah to grounds like we want us
Speaker 4: this summer.
Speaker 2: We want just some good pace that we want some
Speaker 2: turn or is it just sense I do what they want?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not comparing the guy that's great.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 5: How is any other sport like it? Where if you
Speaker 5: don't talk about the players? Was this this pitch gets
Speaker 5: talked about all this from the lead up to the
Speaker 5: to a test match or one day, what's the pitch
Speaker 5: likes going to do this and do that? Then the
Speaker 5: pitch then the game starts. It's like everyone's got that wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah we didn't pick.
Speaker 5: It's the best a sport For hindsight, I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because we all want to be the guy that knows.
Speaker 1: It's like well, look, if it does this, then we
Speaker 1: should pack this. Guys like, none of us know. We're
Speaker 1: all fucking shitting in the.
Speaker 4: Day, even the groundsman. Because I'd say the groundsman go
Speaker 4: it's turning yeah. He would go up and say, we'd
Speaker 4: ask you it's turning yes.
Speaker 2: He didn't know that his little tweak has got a
Speaker 2: little bit of purchase on EFLs.
Speaker 1: What do you take away from the like those two
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call them dead rubbers against Uganda and Papa.
Speaker 1: If you're a player, even if you're a coach, do
Speaker 1: you take anything away from them.
Speaker 2: Or do you just sort of get them out of
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 5: I don't think you can, can you? Yes, if a
Speaker 5: relatively old team as well. I think there's only one
Speaker 5: change from the last World Cup. I saw some article
Speaker 5: about that. But what our players are really experienced cricketers.
Speaker 5: The younger guy was Finn, who could probably get something
Speaker 5: out of it.
Speaker 4: We got a duck today, You've got a duck out
Speaker 4: of picking ball and a first ball guy in the tournament.
Speaker 5: I think it was probably more for for those two teams.
Speaker 5: Pap you're going to again, probably even though they got
Speaker 5: touched up. That's experience playing against a really good side,
Speaker 5: but for us, I think will be a painful week
Speaker 5: to be hanging around.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say that, like, what what
Speaker 1: are you thinking going into a dead rubber You're you've
Speaker 1: already been knocked out, Like, yeah, I can imagine it'd
Speaker 1: be pretty flat in the nets before before those games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the spark would be gone. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: a bit of pressure off. But a few guys, I
Speaker 5: think Bolty's coming out last few days, so yeah he's done. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: a few of those other guys who might keep that
Speaker 5: to them over.
Speaker 4: Timmy as well, because her come and said this is
Speaker 4: my last T twenty World Cup. Yeah, so that's when
Speaker 4: you said the last time I'm going to play a
Speaker 4: T twenty World Cup.
Speaker 1: I've always said, if you're a professional athlete, never retire
Speaker 1: because you don't know who's going to throw a contract
Speaker 1: that you're down the track, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Who knows when New Zealand cricketers in four years?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't think he think he was going to
Speaker 4: plan in two years time. I think that was that
Speaker 4: was his message and he was happy to go out
Speaker 4: with it. But Laura asked the question of him after
Speaker 4: the game and see it as at the last time,
Speaker 4: will see you with a silver fern on your chest,
Speaker 4: and he goes, I can't up to me, to me,
Speaker 4: I can't answer that right now.
Speaker 5: So it's a few others like Cain. You know, we're
Speaker 5: lucky even that he's a bit older. Be interesting to
Speaker 5: see what they do with this T twenty side, Devin
Speaker 5: Conway spring Chicken. That's right, there's quite a few there.
Speaker 5: So do you pull up starts? Go right, it's got
Speaker 5: two years for the next World Cup, so platurns what yeah,
Speaker 5: do you do that? Or you try and manage that
Speaker 5: a little bit. Give them a couple of those guys around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of the headlines this morning are all
Speaker 1: gone after Steady. I don't think you can is that
Speaker 1: throwing the baby out with the bath order.
Speaker 5: I think he has enough credits in the bank to
Speaker 5: be honest. He's probably one of our most successful coaches
Speaker 5: in the history of the game for us. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: that's what happens in it.
Speaker 2: You lose. People look for an angles and.
Speaker 4: Because I mean, people are going to ask the question
Speaker 4: around the different formats and the different coaches, because I
Speaker 4: think we're one of the fewer Tier one nations. Who
Speaker 4: has one coach across all three formats? Do you think
Speaker 4: that's going to be looked at and part of the review.
Speaker 4: And they come back from this World Cup.
Speaker 5: You know that's we're a victim of our kind of
Speaker 5: environment a little bit when it comes to that gulane,
Speaker 5: because you look at England, for example, they play their
Speaker 5: cricket and blocks. You got a red ball block and
Speaker 5: you have a white ball block, so you can sort
Speaker 5: of do that, like I think Bass has been home
Speaker 5: for three months and now he goes up to England
Speaker 5: next week or the week after to do the test
Speaker 5: match block. And Australia is the same. They play in
Speaker 5: these blocks, whereas as so we kind of fight for
Speaker 5: people to come here and to play. We'll be playing
Speaker 5: test matches one week, then we'll squeeze in some T
Speaker 5: twenty games, we'll go back to a test match, We'll
Speaker 5: go back to white ball cricket, because cricket, I think,
Speaker 5: are trying to get games of cricket and don't care
Speaker 5: what it is or what format. So then if we've
Speaker 5: got different coaches, we've got different coaches bouncing in and
Speaker 5: out and the nucleus of our team, it's kind of
Speaker 5: the same no matter what format as well, so I
Speaker 5: think that would get messy for us. You know, coach
Speaker 5: leaving on Sunday morning, a new coach coming to Monday,
Speaker 5: and then the following week they're changing back again. I
Speaker 5: think that mixed messages. Crickets are temperamental as it is.
Speaker 5: Just start again a few messages.
Speaker 4: It's not the golden bullet because you know, you look
Speaker 4: at the top teams like India, Australia, England, South Africa.
Speaker 4: You know, you look at those guys and they've got
Speaker 4: very regimented.
Speaker 2: Seasons.
Speaker 5: So every year there's the Boxing Day Tests and the
Speaker 5: Sydney Tests in Australia no matter what they're playing. For us,
Speaker 5: sometimes we're playing a Test match, sometimes we're playing on
Speaker 5: one day, sometimes sometimes Pistan, so we kind of being
Speaker 5: pulled and pushed all the time. So it be quite
Speaker 5: a hard thing I think to manage. And and England
Speaker 5: is the same. They always have this right red ball
Speaker 5: cricket time bomb.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, okay, well that's the advantage of being able
Speaker 4: to sit in the room for the future tours.
Speaker 2: Pragum isn't it's three nations. It's in England Australia, and you.
Speaker 1: Go right, let's sort said, that's set it up so
Speaker 1: it benefits us and only us and disadvantages everyone else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we draw a line under this this World
Speaker 1: Cup for for now, We're going to take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we come back throw line under the underneath
Speaker 1: the black Caps at least. But now, as a Warriors fan,
Speaker 1: this is all too familiar territory for me. Our team's out.
Speaker 1: So who do we jump on board? We'll take a
Speaker 1: quick break, We'll come back and discuss that. So I
Speaker 1: mentioned before the break, black Caps are gone. We didn't
Speaker 1: make it to the Super eight group. Ossies are looking
Speaker 1: terrifying as always. Who do we get on to beat
Speaker 1: the Aussies going forward and the rest of the tournament
Speaker 1: here again, do you think they're the favorites the Australia.
Speaker 2: It just pains me even to answer this question. It's
Speaker 2: a real struggle for me as well, because God, I
Speaker 2: hate them.
Speaker 4: I have come out I hate them. I hate all
Speaker 4: my Australian friends. You know, I like them, but then
Speaker 4: as soon as we play sport, I hate them. And
Speaker 4: the worst part is they do look excellent as well.
Speaker 4: And Jack, how Jack doestness. Oh he's a beautiful It
Speaker 4: is a specimen.
Speaker 2: But you're right there. You sort of speak to those
Speaker 2: guys and divisually.
Speaker 5: I know quite a few of them well and real
Speaker 5: good lands, good dudes. But give them together, put.
Speaker 2: Them in that yellow jersey. Talk to me. So so
Speaker 2: Australia they are clear favorites. They have played.
Speaker 4: I mean they got a little bit of a scare
Speaker 4: against Silent and not really Stillness came in and just
Speaker 4: finished them off.
Speaker 2: India like they the pictures are, the pictures are up
Speaker 2: and down.
Speaker 4: This is the first World Cup where I've seen bowlers
Speaker 4: on top of the bat for a very long time,
Speaker 4: and that's due to the up and down nature of
Speaker 4: the pitch.
Speaker 2: They won in New York as.
Speaker 4: A bit of a firecracker as well, with India defending
Speaker 4: one hundred and nineteen. Do you think India's got the
Speaker 4: firepowder beat Australia. Is it England who look a bit flat?
Speaker 4: Is it South Africa?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think I can roll out South Africa for some reason.
Speaker 5: I think we'll push them to one side.
Speaker 4: Were they kind of they're by Rory meckro where they
Speaker 4: can't close. They can't even close the divorce anyway, poor.
Speaker 2: Raws when we met with you, there's no he can't
Speaker 2: even back in his life.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't do these text and when are you
Speaker 4: coming off the co have you had too many beers?
Speaker 2: And we saw it when he lit that last part
Speaker 2: out and lost it. But yeah, he saw the divorce
Speaker 2: in the world that I can't do that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Australia, I think Australia going to be very
Speaker 5: very to be But India just on their day, they
Speaker 5: can just pull it. They can pull it together and
Speaker 5: be very weary of them.
Speaker 4: There'll be ICC's dream one that the Australia India Final
Speaker 4: in Barbados in a few weeks time. Do you think
Speaker 4: their four A into America has been successful around?
Speaker 5: You know that Texas and New York I do a shame.
Speaker 5: The pictures have been shit. Yeah, it would have been
Speaker 5: great to have a few high scoring games and really
Speaker 5: put on a show over there.
Speaker 2: It is a big market.
Speaker 5: It's someone told me not so long ago that krick
Speaker 5: and Foes is where you go to for your cricket
Speaker 5: stats and knowledge. The most hits on that website is
Speaker 5: from India and the second most is the States. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so there's obviously a lot of expats living there, and
Speaker 5: to get that traditional American sports fan, I think it's tough.
Speaker 5: It'll be tough, but with all the expect community over
Speaker 5: the US, there is a market, and why not spread
Speaker 5: the game. That's what that's what the game needs, and
Speaker 5: that's why I think you're having the US. You're beating Pakistan.
Speaker 5: So yeah, a good thing. Well maybe potentially ICC should
Speaker 5: maybe fund a proper stadium, at least in a couple
Speaker 5: of them, you know what I mean, because obviously that
Speaker 5: pop up in New York, and I think Dallas is
Speaker 5: a full time since the one in Dallas, Texas, so
Speaker 5: that was the only year.
Speaker 2: That's the only hue looked great. Yeah, I look great.
Speaker 1: But it just watched a couple of the local league.
Speaker 1: They're the US League, and the expect communities out in force.
Speaker 1: It's like sellouts at all those games. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think that this is like the Las Vegas thing
Speaker 1: for the NRL. I just don't think. I've always thought
Speaker 1: you've only got room in your brain for cricket or baseball.
Speaker 1: It's not both. You can You're never going to be
Speaker 1: able to wrap your head around both of them. And
Speaker 1: I think that's why New Zealand there's never really adopted baseball,
Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be hard to get
Speaker 1: those that baseball following.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I started to get into baseball, and my wife
Speaker 4: just sat me down and said, you are not getting
Speaker 4: into the sport because because they play like eighty games
Speaker 4: in a regulars its a huge amount of games, and
Speaker 4: it's just so much content and so much time spent
Speaker 4: watching that.
Speaker 2: I was like, She's like, no, you're not doing it,
Speaker 2: even hot dogs and drinking. But I wouldn't mind going
Speaker 2: to a few games, so I don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: I'd love to head over to the States and go
Speaker 2: to a few of those games.
Speaker 1: What about I find the structure of the tournament. I
Speaker 1: think I'm just bitter because we're out, but there seems
Speaker 1: to be almost too many minnows in the comp to
Speaker 1: where there's a lot of sort of meaningless games.
Speaker 2: We've just watched two of them.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the four pools with as many
Speaker 1: teams as are in the competition is the way for
Speaker 1: because you mentioned before, like obviously that does great things
Speaker 1: for the game in those countries. I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the viewing stats are in Uganda
Speaker 1: against the Black Cats.
Speaker 2: I presume they're great.
Speaker 1: But do you think maybe the tournament, because in T
Speaker 1: twenty you could change the tournament.
Speaker 2: Because they're over so quickly. You could get through it
Speaker 2: a bit quicker.
Speaker 1: We talked about us having to wait nine days before
Speaker 1: we play our first game, then we're almost over straight away.
Speaker 1: Is there another way that you could structure the tournament
Speaker 1: that had made it a bit more interesting?
Speaker 5: Yeah, perhaps there's a balancing act to that. You're right,
Speaker 5: and I see where you're coming from. Perhaps it could
Speaker 5: be a pre tournament beforehand where two teams come through.
Speaker 5: They get there two weeks beforehand, like you're Ganda, Papa
Speaker 5: New Guinea and they didn't they Yeah, they did one
Speaker 5: tournament I remember, yeah, something like that. But look, I
Speaker 5: remember I hate to go back to my era, but
Speaker 5: PAS the Champions Trophy in England and Australia were like
Speaker 5: the real deal, you know, all the big boys and stuff, and.
Speaker 2: Buga Dish beat them.
Speaker 5: I just remember the saying at the time, oh my god, Dish,
Speaker 5: that will never happen to us. Yeah, and then I
Speaker 5: think about three years later we lost four mil to
Speaker 5: the p BE. Remember I remember that, so these things,
Speaker 5: you know, it could be yes, we're not expecting your
Speaker 5: gander or part and you're ginning to tip up us
Speaker 5: at this time, but who knows.
Speaker 2: And in his time where that could nepoke. They looked
Speaker 2: all right, they looked okay. And the Dutch always go
Speaker 2: they're always there're going pretty good. And I know they've
Speaker 2: got a few ringings with.
Speaker 4: The USA obviously Cory Anderson playing for the USA and
Speaker 4: in his twilight.
Speaker 2: Years, that's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think your question there is a little
Speaker 5: bit of a gap between those lower minnows that are there,
Speaker 5: and because you're right, you don't want to wake people
Speaker 5: to wake up at two in the morning to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I suppose that's any tournament as well, like
Speaker 1: there are there are a few hidings that the All
Speaker 1: Black stretched out and Paul play as well and there
Speaker 1: on too, So I guess that is a big part
Speaker 1: of it. I just I think it's just the way
Speaker 1: it happened to us. That is why I'm why I'm
Speaker 1: so bitter. But so I've forgotten who your tip was
Speaker 1: India over Australia if it's going.
Speaker 2: To be only because I don't want Australia to win. Yeah, England.
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on England?
Speaker 5: They've a just farted through to the to the Super
Speaker 5: eight again. They just got those players like if Butler
Speaker 5: lights it up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you do is Joff Archer? Is he
Speaker 2: in the team? Or is he he got three wickets
Speaker 2: the other day? Did it be terrifying?
Speaker 4: Imagine facing him on those pictures. You don't know where
Speaker 4: it's going to hit you in the ankle, yeah, or
Speaker 4: the tempoint one that didn't bounce the other day. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that would be terrifying. Do I think they've just farted
Speaker 4: through because they they got a Scotland have got an
Speaker 4: unbeaten record against England because they beat them and then
Speaker 4: they've beat them in one and they've got no results
Speaker 4: in the rest of them. So they yet to beat
Speaker 4: Scotland in a in a World Cup.
Speaker 2: Brilliant.
Speaker 1: They need to launch another referendum, but we'll take a
Speaker 1: quick break when we come back. I want to find
Speaker 1: out what happens after a team's eliminated from a competition,
Speaker 1: whether they weren't, whether they lose, What does it look
Speaker 1: like in the changing rooms afterwards? Are they court sessions
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, So we'll delve into that
Speaker 1: after this. So obviously there'll be no winner's person for
Speaker 1: the black Caps this year, unfortunately. But in teams that
Speaker 1: you've been a part of that have won tournaments, what
Speaker 1: kind of celebrations go on after the after the competition,
Speaker 1: what sort of what sort of stories can you share
Speaker 1: with us into a hot microphone from your day has
Speaker 1: been involved with the team.
Speaker 2: Well, can you talk us through the limousine from the baseline? Oh, yes,
Speaker 2: because that's that's.
Speaker 4: Something that people kind of know about and it gets
Speaker 4: spread out but no one really knows about.
Speaker 2: And it's a bowlers and keep it tradition, isn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a wonderful tradition. I think it started funny
Speaker 5: enough against Bangladesh. I wasn't playing. It was a few
Speaker 5: years before my time in the Adam Prairie era, I think,
Speaker 5: and they decided that they'll play for the Bashes, so
Speaker 5: they get the baals. I think they actually burnt the
Speaker 5: bales from that Testmash called them the bashes. They decided
Speaker 5: to set the basin ashes to go up to get
Speaker 5: the limousine. Yes, Mount Fact I don't know would have
Speaker 5: been manager then maybe Jeff Crow maybe you're in that
Speaker 5: era possibly and the only bowler was if you bowled
Speaker 5: and over in the game and the keeper went up
Speaker 5: and you knows a bit of a party and the
Speaker 5: limos smoking.
Speaker 2: For the Gars Australia's body awesome.
Speaker 5: So I can see how it's awesome, a great idea
Speaker 5: for a one off, but how it kind of quickly
Speaker 5: became a tradition. Yeah, it's kind of beyond me. But's uh,
Speaker 5: you know, I came into the environment and that's all
Speaker 5: we talked about all week. But we've got to win this.
Speaker 5: We're going to win this test. The limit you to
Speaker 5: batters trying to sneak an over and to try and
Speaker 5: but yeah, awesome tradition, and I understand it. It's still
Speaker 5: continues to the state. It must cost the manager like rollers.
Speaker 5: I remember Lindsay Crocker a few times. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 5: great old one foot was rolled his eyes. Oh you're serious,
Speaker 5: We've got to When he'd be like, this is not
Speaker 5: a tradition.
Speaker 1: It's not a tradition, okay, and then like and I
Speaker 1: want cigars, we want champagne please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there was always a highlight. But ye're getting
Speaker 2: knocked out when your last was always flat. It's just flat.
Speaker 5: And then normally over the subcontinentt is you know, five
Speaker 5: or six people in the changing room who the helpers,
Speaker 5: you know, asking for you know, to pay off their.
Speaker 2: Mortgage, take all your massively. So yeah, and so I.
Speaker 4: Mean does everyone come home together or do they people
Speaker 4: choose to go elsewhere? Is there a bit of a
Speaker 4: golf tournaments.
Speaker 5: Always tend to head home or sometimes one of the
Speaker 5: best ones.
Speaker 2: Just reminded me.
Speaker 5: Actually there was a T twenty World Cup in the
Speaker 5: West indies'nly enough and we got knocked out to England
Speaker 5: in the quarterfinal I think it was, and they went
Speaker 5: on to win it Ryan side bottom as your bold
Speaker 5: walk side bottom and so we lost. But we had
Speaker 5: a tour afterwards to the States and Fort Lauderdale to
Speaker 5: play Sri Lanka in two T twenty games. Also we
Speaker 5: got knocked out. We had like this window of going
Speaker 5: to Fort Lauderdale, Miami.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I hope that was before social media.
Speaker 2: For this story.
Speaker 5: Shane Bond retired after the England game and just came home.
Speaker 5: What are you doing, Bond? So a Fort Lauderdale staying
Speaker 5: at this amazing resort.
Speaker 2: I think M J.
Speaker 5: Was out on the golf course playing golf people and
Speaker 5: yeah that was a blast, but and sorry, no facilities
Speaker 5: to train you could you couldn't train to the fitness
Speaker 5: trying to make us do running laps up and down
Speaker 5: the pools, just trying to get the occupied tie up.
Speaker 5: So we had this to meet at nine o'clock each
Speaker 5: day to do some fitness for a few hours. And
Speaker 5: the day was yours for like a week because we've
Speaker 5: got no to wait for the tournament to finish.
Speaker 2: I think Shank and may have gone through deeper into
Speaker 2: that tournament. And then they came and is he all
Speaker 2: cheering one links of this pool? They have little rum
Speaker 2: and cokes at each end of the pool. Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: off to the other end. What was what was Shane
Speaker 2: Bond think you? I think he regrets it? Yeah, I
Speaker 2: regretted on his behalf. He could have just pulled back,
Speaker 2: he could Where are you going? Yeah for a week? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'll retire after this. Surely you can pull it back.
Speaker 2: You ring home and your wife goes You told me
Speaker 2: you'd retired. What do you do? Well?
Speaker 1: I just have to there's only one flight and the
Speaker 1: whole team's coming there together, so I'm going to have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah blah blah blah. They re lying on me.
Speaker 1: Because then when the when the trainers like getting the
Speaker 1: poll into a few less he's like, I'm retiring.
Speaker 2: I'll just be on the soap.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, no court sessions or anything like that after the
Speaker 1: after the time.
Speaker 5: I remember court sessions and the oh god, you bring
Speaker 5: back all these old it's either good or bad for
Speaker 5: you or not. The infamous South African World Cup and
Speaker 5: so yeah, she may have been we on that tour no.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and three. Where was that in South Africa?
Speaker 5: No, definitely and the infamous Christians got knocked out after
Speaker 5: the night out at Tiger Tiger.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I heard about it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we had a court session which was what's
Speaker 5: good fun but's and then yeah there was a few
Speaker 5: issues at the night time of it.
Speaker 1: Well that's what sends to happen after a court sessue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no post planning. It happens afterwards.
Speaker 4: I think now the post planning is do not go out.
Speaker 4: So they usually that's held in the hotel and manager
Speaker 4: locks the door.
Speaker 2: That's what peoples to their room.
Speaker 1: I've heard of professional teams that would hire a fleet
Speaker 1: of taxis to sit outside, and they had a team
Speaker 1: list with players faces, their name, and then their address,
Speaker 1: so they don't even have to talk to the player
Speaker 1: when they come out of the out of the room.
Speaker 2: They get in the back look in the rear view mirror.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, none of that gun off of the
Speaker 1: black Caps this time around, unfortunately. I reckon that'll just
Speaker 1: about do us from Hellenstein's here on Queen Street. Before
Speaker 1: we go, though, Lane's got a few questions he'd like
Speaker 1: to put you through.
Speaker 2: We ask of our guests.
Speaker 4: It's called twenty two and two, so it's twenty two
Speaker 4: questions in two minutes.
Speaker 2: Kyle.
Speaker 4: It's it's rapid fire. So it's just yes or no
Speaker 4: or a choice. Okay, So Kyle Mills, this is twenty
Speaker 4: two and two.
Speaker 2: Coffee or tea? Coffee? Sex or drugs? Sex or drugs?
Speaker 4: Sex, hard or fast?
Speaker 2: Would you rather wake up ned next to Hamish or
Speaker 2: James Marshall? Amosh? What's James?
Speaker 4: Would you rather spend an hour watching David Warner replays
Speaker 4: of him scoring one hundred or get water boarded by
Speaker 4: an ex Navy seal with PTSD.
Speaker 2: I have to take davy water might be entertaining, okay, Tye.
Speaker 4: Or Indian Indian eat out or dining eat out, Freddy
Speaker 4: Mercury or Elton John Freddy wet or dry wet dogs.
Speaker 2: Or cats cats?
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey or Taylor Swift, Swifty Grant, Elliott, Heath Davis
Speaker 4: and Matthew sink Sinkly.
Speaker 2: Who's got the biggest downstairs? Have to be Mathew? What
Speaker 2: cricket legend? Would you bring back from the dead? Ah?
Speaker 2: Good question. Who's the fellow that got Don Bradman out?
Speaker 2: You died? You died on that forever? I would never
Speaker 2: clue it should be good, shouldn't we should know that? Jim? Like,
Speaker 2: who would you bring back anyone, anyone from the dead? Ah?
Speaker 2: The Don? The Don? Okay?
Speaker 4: Well, if the ceremony to bring back the Don resulted
Speaker 4: in you talking like Kevin Peterson for the rest of your.
Speaker 2: Life, would you still do it? Have you ever fired
Speaker 2: a gun? Yes? Have you ever killed anything bigger than
Speaker 2: an insect? Oh? It's a terrible story, but yes. Who
Speaker 2: who's the most famous person you've met? Famous? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like big time famous, you know, like Brad Pitt met
Speaker 4: met Derek Jitter No, yeah, oh yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: He's right, Okay, j Loo, weren't they? Yeah?
Speaker 4: That was a has been through a few If you
Speaker 4: had a reoccurring dream that a snowman killed himself with
Speaker 4: a hair dry would you be concerned?
Speaker 2: I just don't think so. If you were offered a knighthood,
Speaker 2: would you accept it?
Speaker 4: What age do people say they have had a fall
Speaker 4: instead of falling over?
Speaker 2: Great question in the sixties, I get yeah, have you
Speaker 2: ever screamed to anyone? Google me? Motherfucker? If you were
Speaker 2: to get it last one, if you were to get.
Speaker 4: A statue made of yourself, what pose would it be
Speaker 4: and where would you put the statue? I would not
Speaker 4: get a statue made of myself. Can I tell you
Speaker 4: what Tim Soudy said? He would be astride a stallion naked,
Speaker 4: astride a stallion with it rearing up, and he would
Speaker 4: have it in dan Vatory's backyard.
Speaker 2: That's not surprise.
Speaker 1: Any chance we can get the story out of the
Speaker 1: thing that you killed us bigger than.
Speaker 2: Any I can. We went, we're in We're in some bar.
Speaker 5: I'm not a killer, I'm a lover. And then we're
Speaker 5: in Zimbabwe and bull away and we went out to
Speaker 5: Heath Streaks Farm to stay for a night, which was awesome.
Speaker 5: This was we had been taken over by the government
Speaker 5: at the time, and so it's a little bit run down,
Speaker 5: but had all these caves you could sleep in and it.
Speaker 2: Was done up. It was really cool caves. Yeah, man
Speaker 2: into like apartment type things. Awesome.
Speaker 5: And then the next that night, so all right, we're
Speaker 5: off shooting. We're going to go shoot here rabbit and
Speaker 5: wild dogs. Okay, cool, we win in Rome. And then
Speaker 5: so we went on this ute. We had this this
Speaker 5: fellic called Daniel who was the spotter, and with the
Speaker 5: big spotlight.
Speaker 2: Out and everyone was in the tuna is like, carle
Speaker 2: your turn. Oh great.
Speaker 5: So I jumped on the back of the ute and
Speaker 5: we spotted these two eyes looking at me and then right,
Speaker 5: that's a wild dog. Not knock them overky, knock them over.
Speaker 5: Your beauty all went running down the amp and it
Speaker 5: wasn't a wild dog. It was a cat caught a
Speaker 5: serval cat like this with big pointy years. I basically
Speaker 5: went into the fetal position byself, shake it because I
Speaker 5: love I said before, I love cats. And then I
Speaker 5: crawled into the back of the ute just like this,
Speaker 5: and then so I just felt awful. Daniel Vettory every
Speaker 5: time he goes to the zoo, he would like take
Speaker 5: a picture of the serve.
Speaker 2: But the next such an asshole, Such an asshole.
Speaker 5: The next day we wake up Billy and Heath Streek
Speaker 5: was driving us back to bull Away and the two
Speaker 5: Marshall idiots.
Speaker 2: In the back with them running through, and I had to.
Speaker 5: Tell Street because he didn't come out with us what
Speaker 5: happened because the guy, see, you better tell Streaky. And
Speaker 5: so I'm like very nervous, hearts going how do I
Speaker 5: deal with this? And then one of the Marshalls boys said, hey, Streaky,
Speaker 5: have you ever heard of a cat got a serval?
Speaker 5: Streaky answers, oh, majestic. They're just majestic. They don't come
Speaker 5: through that often, but when they do, we're just love it.
Speaker 5: And I'm just dying, just die, because back in the day,
Speaker 5: I think Americans will fly into Blue Away, pay ten
Speaker 5: thousand years to go hunt these things down, will take
Speaker 5: two weeks to try and track one down, and took
Speaker 5: me two minutes that night, And so I told Streak
Speaker 5: he is like, oh okay, mate, don't worry about it
Speaker 5: and got back and Brace has told me I should
Speaker 5: get it some Texas.
Speaker 2: I'm not walking through the stuff servile.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so to answered that question, okay, yeah, something bigger
Speaker 5: than an that's the I mean.
Speaker 4: I thought it was I thought it was going to
Speaker 4: get worse now. I thought Heath Street was going to
Speaker 4: say it was his pets. Yeah, that he raised from
Speaker 4: Is that Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Jimmy brilliant?
Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much for coming down to Helenstein's Kyle,
Speaker 1: enjoy the rest of the T twenty World Cup. I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll have you on later on down the track
Speaker 1: chairs mate, Thank you.
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