WEBVTT - "World Cup Postmortem With Kyle Mills" 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.920 Live from the Hellenstein's on Queen Street. This is the 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:06.600 Agenda Podcast, brought to you by Export Ultra, the beer 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.080 for the Cricket World Cup. Not officially obviously they we 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.240 can't say that because you know legal reasons. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:11.280 But I did. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.680 The Agenda Podcast, the Home of Sporting Nonsense and clap Trap, 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.000 brought to you by Export of Vulture. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.000 Well, welcome in to the Helenstein's on Queen Street in Auckland, 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.120 where it is a great pleasure to welcome in dear 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.000 friend of the show, Kyle Mels. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.360 Good morning, Kyle. How are you going mate? Very well, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:30.360 delighted to be here. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:32.560 Yeah, you're a little bit more energetic than j Laan's 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.040 this morning, which suggests to me that you didn't get 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.599 up at stupid o'clock in the middle of the night 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.760 to watch every single ball of what is essentially the 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:42.920 deadest rubber that we've had in a World Cup for 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.400 living memory. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:47.839 Probably. Yeah, I actually think Gelane's looking pretty good condition. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:48.400 Thanks man. 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.080 The best of you ever seen that You've seen me 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:52.960 in some states as well, Kyle. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:55.440 Look, I wasn't just watching though, was I Mean? 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.880 I I were commentating on Sky Sport, so I actually 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:00.920 had to have my wits about me slightly. But what 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.960 was most wounding is coming in at ten to two 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:04.480 in the morning. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:06.520 That's not even early. It's late. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.399 It's almost late, you know what I mean. I had 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.240 to get up late. Yeah, that's still nighttime. Yeah yeah, 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:15.040 and come in and then be greeted with covers on 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.560 the field and rain, So there was an hour and 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.919 a bit rain delay at two in the morning. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.479 Your commitment was admirable. That is thank you. Look your 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.560 Papa New Guinea, the heavyweight of Papua New Guinea. Highlight 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:28.240 of the match. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:30.800 We'll just cover this match quickly before we go back 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:34.240 to the beginning of this World Cup campaign is pretty 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.240 much the only ray of light was Lockie ferguson his 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.600 four overs, no runs, three wickets. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.920 How difficult is that? Four maidens t twenty cricket. That's 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.840 what a producers ah. The highlight of the game, twenty 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:47.960 four dot deliveries. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:50.720 I was thinking that when I saw it this morning, 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:52.400 I was like, I couldn't imagine getting up at you 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.880 know what time, did you one thirty whatever it was, 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.880 to only then see the covers come on and then 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.560 four maiden overs in the of night. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.320 They were exciting maiden overs. I know that's hard, that's 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.240 hard for you both to comprehend. But he got a 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.040 wicket in his first ball, so it and then it 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:09.400 was a maiden, so it was a wicket maiden. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:10.200 Who was the better. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.240 I don't know, I recognize any of those was the 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.560 opening betsman, I remember that. Look they had a better 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:21.440 batting line up than your gander, give you that. But 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.960 then his second over, he got another wicket in his 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.120 second over, and he had two wicket maidens. And then 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.480 he came he went off and came back bowled another maiden, 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:32.680 and then it was like, okay, can he bowl four maidens? 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.280 And then he got a wicket in his fourth over 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:35.919 ani maidens, So it was it was a lot more 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.120 exciting than it sounded. And plus yeah, he was bowling heat. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.800 They were like, there was fizzing past these poor guys noses. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.520 They had no idea what swinging as well, swinging, swinging 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:45.800 and bouncing. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.240 Hoping it anyway, let's cover that. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.239 But let's go back, Cole, we've got your hare looking 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.160 for your kind of expert opinion. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.200 Let's go back to the start. Now. 0:02:54.360 --> 0:03:01.400 New Zealand's campaign kicked off against Afghanistan, and there's been 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.080 a lot of talk around the preparation before a tournament 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.399 like this. We went in super cold. There's a lot 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:08.840 of barbs. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.359 Being thrown around around the lack of preparation. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.120 How important is it to have those warm up games 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:14.600 before a tournament. 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:18.079 Yeah, it's vital. I don't know the ins and outs. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.360 I kind of feel like we're a little bit victim 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.600 of circumstance because I think we're Our first game was 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.320 quite deep into the tournament, a foodline days since I 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.760 think once the first game has happened in the tournament, 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:31.040 no one can play any practice games in the event, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.480 So there's I think that's been blown up a little bit, 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.040 probably more watching that game. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:37.920 We're really flat. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.720 Yeah, I think ten days in Guyana compared to say 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.240 ten days in New York would be a difference to that, right. 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:43.880 Yeah. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:45.400 I don't know if you've been to Guyana, but that 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.279 can sort of make you pretty flats. 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.800 That's pretty much South America, isn't it. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.640 It's the kool Aid. Yeah, it's Jamestown. Yeah, it's quite 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:58.000 a way away. It's the top of South America. Yeah, Chanderpaul, Yeah, 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.000 Alvin Kellataran yep. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.800 Nick of the Woods. So not much ado in Guyana. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.880 Yeah, ten days, that's quite Whereas if you had ten 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:07.680 days in New York, I think the boys would be alive. 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:12.440 They'll be vissing yeah, or that'd be dead after ten days. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.200 On the last. So how do you think they approached it? Then? 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:16.640 Obviously they didn't have time. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.159 Obviously the various commitments around the world were t twenty 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.719 competitions meant that the team probably got together but later 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:22.560 than expected. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.919 But in my mind this is how I saw it. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.520 Potentially they saw the round robin players their warm ups 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.880 in terms of, you know, get Afghanistan out of the 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.040 way West Indie is probably the hardest opposition. Then you've 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.400 got a couple of minnows and then hit the super 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.920 eights running yeah, and then it went horribly wrong. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.440 We better I for the two minnows the minimum nos first, Yes, yes, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.200 because Afghanistan, and I said to my circle of friends, 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:51.600 they're a banana skin team. On those surfaces and those conditions, 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.960 they can be hard work. If they were happened to 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.080 get on a roll, and you know, that's the case 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.160 of that game was played in New Zealand or Australia, 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.880 or South Africa or England, it would be a different 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.520 result of the slow surfaces they got on song. 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.680 We were exceptionally flat. I don't know if you watched it, 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.120 were different. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.880 Conways part time man, not just respect to differentnything. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.480 But he was just he looked rusty behind the stumps and. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.039 The fielding was batwing for now and caught one in 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.760 the sternum. I didn't even get to his hands. He 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.919 just basically chested it down like luck he was. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:25.320 In the euro I know when you were trying to 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.800 describe it afterwards, when people like what happened just like 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.839 kind of nothing like. We should have probably limped towards 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.360 a wind towards the end there, but it just petered out. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.159 And then in the end we had to bash a 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.200 bunch to you know, to try and get there. But 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.200 I don't know, I just was was the scheduling our 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.560 biggest downfall because as soon as we lost that, now 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.680 our second game is do or die, like when we're 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.520 going against the host nation. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.479 So were we darted a little bit with the draw? 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:51.920 I think? 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.440 I think so the draw and what I touched on earlier, 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.440 you couldn't play a warm up game after once a 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.479 talk as start us. All these factors came into play. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.760 I think we banked on our experience which didn't kind 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.960 of come through the IPL. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:06.479 Most of our guys weren't playing. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.040 Only Malty was the only one that was playing consistent 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.880 cricket over there. So I think I'm sure they'll do 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:15.560 a review if they would have to go back and 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.440 go through what we could have done better, and I 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.680 think they would have changed. They would change quite a 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.680 few things, just adding to to all this, isn't it 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.200 these minnows like Nepau Nelly beats South Africa South Africa? 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:31.960 The other day Scotland pushed Australia a little bit, beat Pakistan, 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.040 USA bat pakst isn't it like it's actually kind of 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.640 cool for the game. So if we play those teams 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.760 over a five day test match, will when all the 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:41.960 time maybe shortened the game? 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:42.800 Everyone comes in. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:47.719 So the ACC eleven and say a one over game 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.760 against any other team. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:52.599 You could you could have a chance. 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.799 Well I don't know about that. We're seven. We dropped 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.440 eleven catches. The many again that you like traders, we 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.960 dropped eleven catches. Okay, that's that's tough. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.840 We know we did. He was there. That is true too. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.919 We've got one win, but it's got an asterix beside 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.800 it because I think we scored two hundred odd for 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:09.960 the loss of fifteen wickets. 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.320 Yeah, they put us back in again. We've scored so little. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.480 They said, just keep getting and we did and we got. 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.280 They put up a good score and then they lost anyway. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.280 But look if Jason Hoyt worked on his running between 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.440 the wickets, yes, you just never never know. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:23.320 So it's true. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.920 That's where the beauty of T twenty cricket is good. 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.680 You're having all these minnow countries coming in, growing the 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.680 game and all that pilava is really good. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:32.800 You look at the Football World Cup. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.840 We got all these teams now playing out who can 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:36.560 produce upset results. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.400 So that is one I think. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.600 You know, we're a victim of it this this tournament, 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.720 losing to Afghanistan, but that is one positive moving forward 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.880 there where T twenty cricket has brought these minnows in 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:47.120 and they've got a chance. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:47.400 Yeah. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:51.080 Well, I suppose US and Pakistan can cry together in 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.600 the changing rooms because obviously they were not not favorites, 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:56.680 but they were seeing they're seen as a dangerous TEA 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:58.800 twenty side and for them to get knocked out by 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.840 the USA saying something I. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.920 Actually thought they could. You know, it was a all 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.720 the way through. Actually, Pakistani one of those teams always 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.600 like in the Pakistan cricket team to the French rugby team. 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.040 You just don't know what you're going to get. 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.640 You could the French rugby team could lose by fifty, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.000 or they could just go on a run in a 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.440 given form throwing the port around that and they win 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:20.040 by fifty. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:20.360 Yeah. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.680 Yeah, I actually selfishly lost a little bit of money 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.800 on Pakistan only because I saw a video clip of 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.640 Nathan Lyon saying he thought they were going to win, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.120 and so I just stole that take and I was 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:29.440 telling you right now, I actually think. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.559 Pakistan, I'm probably gonna win this one. Nathan like huge 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:38.079 twenty a lot, made a lot of Tea twenty. He 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:39.400 knows the game and sided out. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.439 Nathan Lyne, Yeah do we Obviously most recently you were 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.680 the bowling coach for the Black Cavs. Why I was 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.560 talking to Lame about this, We obviously don't produce a 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:52.560 lot of spinners because is that because of the pitchers 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:57.080 that we produce that don't favor spin. And subsequent question, 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.559 everyone in the world Afghanistan just did it to us? 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.040 Has this like freak spinner out there? Do we need 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.360 to doctor a few pictures so that we can breed 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.480 a few spinners to take to these kind of tournaments. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.440 Yeah, well, I think you're byproducts of the environment and 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.280 you've mard it. We don't have the conditions. We play 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.600 on really small ground, so even a park outer oval, 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.880 it's a postage stamp. So if you're a spinner that 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.000 gets it slightly wrong, yeah, you're met. You can go 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.200 to the moon. So we kind of don't have those 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:29.400 conditions that's conducive or encourages those spin bowlers to develop. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:29.960 Yeah. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.400 And then for the longest time, we've always been like, well, 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.240 but when teams come down here, we've got all these 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.240 seamers that have been playing here their whole lives, and 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:38.280 so that benefits us. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.720 The problem is now no one's coming down here. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.200 So we're just producing all of these players that have 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.280 to go and play and terrible conditions. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.360 I reckon, we need to just doctor up a few pictures. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.560 I don't know how you do it, but and then 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.120 and then just encourage a few more spinners because teams 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:53.960 are opening with spinners in this tournament. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.520 Absolutely, But I mean, is it like Kyle you're saying, 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.800 is that it's more to do with when you say conditions. 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.120 It's actually almost environmental conditions as well, because last summer 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.600 the pictures in New Zealand, for the first time in 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:06.760 a long time, took turn. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.079 They did the basin. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.400 Yeah, like normally it's a normally it's a green seamer, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.840 hardly spin it, Dan Vatory, just bold armball after armball, 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.120 the sic bold medium paced this whole career, and then 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.800 all of a sudden this summer, spinnings are going everywhere. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.240 Yeah, well that's right, Well that basin. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.360 I was there for that Basin Test and Nathan Lyon 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.560 got fire, Phillips got fifer and this is all the talk. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.040 And I actually told that it's actually always turned to you. Dan, 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:37.120 You just why are you saying this all the time? 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.040 But I enjoyed that Test match for that reason. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.920 Our pictures here have become really their belters, even park 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.680 they're just really good surfaces, and I think is a 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.679 good thing producing these good wickets and good practice surfaces. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.079 But all the pictures around the country have almost become 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.640 the same. I feel like Australia is like that as well. 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.600 You'd think back to Australia, the whacker was always fast 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:01.840 and bounce, so you swung a little bit at the Gabba. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:03.480 Seg was a turning wicket. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.720 Adelaide Oval was a bad at parent all these pictures 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.880 were really really different. I feel now they've all kind 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.679 of become the same and down here in all our 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.520 pictures are kind of the same as as well. We 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.800 don't have that variety throughout the country for players to 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:18.640 experience different conditions. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.400 Who I don't really know how this works. Who dictates that? 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:22.840 Is that? 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.160 Is it the is it the kind of northern districts? 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:27.959 Is it? Is it New Zealand cricket? Well? 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.800 Who who facilitates and who manages what the pitches are 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:32.360 going to be like? 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.320 I don't know. I think the International Games is not 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.359 to be any is independent. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.040 So it's up to kJ And and Hamilton or it's 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.120 up to Blair and we're in Auckland to produce a 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:45.920 pitch that they think will produce a good game. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.480 Yeah, I think it's up to the grounds. It's up 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:49.160 to the groundsmen. 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:54.200 Well, they know their condition's best and they all talk 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:55.920 now they think they meet once a year to have 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.920 a conference conference. 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.359 The council have a conference. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:09.079 That sounds all the curators, the curators, some curating their conference, 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.160 some sharing of expertise, because I mean you look at 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.880 places like the b c c I and when Australia 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.800 too are there and some of the some of the 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.559 pitch operations that were going over there that completely backfired 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.680 on them on a couple of occasions. I was always 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.080 wondering who actually yeah to grounds like we want us 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:27.440 this summer. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.640 We want just some good pace that we want some 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:33.480 turn or is it just sense I do what they want? 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:38.920 Yeah, I'm not comparing the guy that's great. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:39.320 I love it. 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.000 How is any other sport like it? Where if you 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.600 don't talk about the players? Was this this pitch gets 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.080 talked about all this from the lead up to the 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:49.920 to a test match or one day, what's the pitch 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.640 likes going to do this and do that? Then the 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.600 pitch then the game starts. It's like everyone's got that wrong. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.840 Yeah we didn't pick. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:06.320 It's the best a sport For hindsight, I think, yeah, yeah. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.840 Because we all want to be the guy that knows. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:09.640 It's like well, look, if it does this, then we 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.679 should pack this. Guys like, none of us know. We're 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:12.600 all fucking shitting in the. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:15.480 Day, even the groundsman. Because I'd say the groundsman go 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.160 it's turning yeah. He would go up and say, we'd 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:19.360 ask you it's turning yes. 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.240 He didn't know that his little tweak has got a 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:23.800 little bit of purchase on EFLs. 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.320 What do you take away from the like those two 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.319 I'm gonna call them dead rubbers against Uganda and Papa. 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.520 If you're a player, even if you're a coach, do 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:33.960 you take anything away from them. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:35.520 Or do you just sort of get them out of 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:35.840 the way. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.880 I don't think you can, can you? Yes, if a 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.480 relatively old team as well. I think there's only one 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.839 change from the last World Cup. I saw some article 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:50.120 about that. But what our players are really experienced cricketers. 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.920 The younger guy was Finn, who could probably get something 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:53.200 out of it. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.000 We got a duck today, You've got a duck out 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.319 of picking ball and a first ball guy in the tournament. 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.600 I think it was probably more for for those two teams. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.600 Pap you're going to again, probably even though they got 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.880 touched up. That's experience playing against a really good side, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.840 but for us, I think will be a painful week 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:09.720 to be hanging around. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:10.160 Yeah. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:11.840 Yeah, I was going to say that, like, what what 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.640 are you thinking going into a dead rubber You're you've 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.120 already been knocked out, Like, yeah, I can imagine it'd 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.680 be pretty flat in the nets before before those games. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.760 Yeah, I think the spark would be gone. But yeah, yeah, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.080 a bit of pressure off. But a few guys, I 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.440 think Bolty's coming out last few days, so yeah he's done. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.440 a few of those other guys who might keep that 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.920 to them over. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.080 Timmy as well, because her come and said this is 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.920 my last T twenty World Cup. Yeah, so that's when 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.040 you said the last time I'm going to play a 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:42.880 T twenty World Cup. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.240 I've always said, if you're a professional athlete, never retire 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.240 because you don't know who's going to throw a contract 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.120 that you're down the track, you know what I mean? 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.280 Who knows when New Zealand cricketers in four years? 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:52.720 Yeah, I didn't think he think he was going to 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.240 plan in two years time. I think that was that 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:55.880 was his message and he was happy to go out 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.800 with it. But Laura asked the question of him after 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.160 the game and see it as at the last time, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.240 will see you with a silver fern on your chest, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.680 and he goes, I can't up to me, to me, 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.040 I can't answer that right now. 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.360 So it's a few others like Cain. You know, we're 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.400 lucky even that he's a bit older. Be interesting to 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.760 see what they do with this T twenty side, Devin 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.120 Conway spring Chicken. That's right, there's quite a few there. 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.720 So do you pull up starts? Go right, it's got 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.840 two years for the next World Cup, so platurns what yeah, 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.440 do you do that? Or you try and manage that 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.280 a little bit. Give them a couple of those guys around. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.560 Yeah, a lot of the headlines this morning are all 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.800 gone after Steady. I don't think you can is that 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.280 throwing the baby out with the bath order. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.640 I think he has enough credits in the bank to 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.920 be honest. He's probably one of our most successful coaches 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.200 in the history of the game for us. Yeah, you know, 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:47.440 that's what happens in it. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.760 You lose. People look for an angles and. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.360 Because I mean, people are going to ask the question 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.720 around the different formats and the different coaches, because I 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.880 think we're one of the fewer Tier one nations. Who 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.760 has one coach across all three formats? Do you think 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.920 that's going to be looked at and part of the review. 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:04.920 And they come back from this World Cup. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.920 You know that's we're a victim of our kind of 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.000 environment a little bit when it comes to that gulane, 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.120 because you look at England, for example, they play their 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.600 cricket and blocks. You got a red ball block and 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.640 you have a white ball block, so you can sort 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.640 of do that, like I think Bass has been home 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.560 for three months and now he goes up to England 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:24.800 next week or the week after to do the test 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.440 match block. And Australia is the same. They play in 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.840 these blocks, whereas as so we kind of fight for 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.160 people to come here and to play. We'll be playing 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.000 test matches one week, then we'll squeeze in some T 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:36.960 twenty games, we'll go back to a test match, We'll 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.760 go back to white ball cricket, because cricket, I think, 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.560 are trying to get games of cricket and don't care 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.480 what it is or what format. So then if we've 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.000 got different coaches, we've got different coaches bouncing in and 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.720 out and the nucleus of our team, it's kind of 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.800 the same no matter what format as well, so I 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.080 think that would get messy for us. You know, coach 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.600 leaving on Sunday morning, a new coach coming to Monday, 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:01.920 and then the following week they're changing back again. I 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:06.359 think that mixed messages. Crickets are temperamental as it is. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.359