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Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed be

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Speaker 1: follow this and our Wide Ranger podcasts now on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number one seven six for the

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Speaker 2: fifth of August twenty twenty five. Some beautiful stories about

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Speaker 2: miracles coming into this world via the birthing passage.

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Speaker 3: It's nicely said, yeah, very very correct.

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Speaker 2: Later in the show. Yeah, and then a cold chat

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Speaker 2: was good too, and yeah there's something in the oh

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Speaker 2: your sick days. Yeah, it's a good, really good show today.

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Speaker 3: It was a good show today.

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Speaker 2: Listen out for the I think it was Craig who

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Speaker 2: basically dived across a room and caught the baby coming

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Speaker 2: out of his wife like he was taking a catch

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Speaker 2: in the slips hell.

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Speaker 3: Of a story, a bad story. And also Matt made

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Speaker 3: a bit of an emission on something that happens in

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Speaker 3: the birthing suitet.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, which probably shouldn't have probably shouldn't showed that.

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Speaker 3: It was controversial and a lot of people teached it

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Speaker 3: on that. But you'll you'll know when you hear it.

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Speaker 3: It's coming up, So download, subscribe and give us a

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news

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Speaker 1: Talk said the.

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Speaker 3: Very good Afternoons You welcome into the show sex pass one,

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Speaker 3: so good, so good to have your company as always

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Speaker 3: good A man.

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Speaker 2: Good A Tyler, Is it all right if I addressed

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Speaker 2: the elephant in the room?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 4: Yep?

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Speaker 2: The elephant in the room is the giant Z you

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Speaker 2: have on your nose, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: So it's a stonker. It is an absolute. It's gone

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Speaker 3: down a little bit though, hasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's so rid it's I mean, you look like

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Speaker 2: Rudolph the Red Nose rein deer mate.

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Speaker 3: I always looked like Rudolph, to be fair, but he

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Speaker 3: see as a thirty nine year old man I read.

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Speaker 3: I woke up this morning and saw the mess of

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Speaker 3: ZiT and thought, what do I do? You just got

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Speaker 3: to own these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, I think you've been playing with it.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem though, because you keep putting your two

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Speaker 2: fingers together and you just got to leave it alone.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows that, yeah, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: So I see the steers, I feel the steers out

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Speaker 3: there in the newsroom because you're already mentioned it once

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Speaker 3: and mentioned it again and people I see the sympathy

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Speaker 3: in their eyes and say, oh, you poor bastard.

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Speaker 2: But there sympathy should be for me because you know

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Speaker 2: all the people listening around the countries, they don't have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you whipped out that little bellic lava and said

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Speaker 3: could you please put that on? I said no, it's

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Speaker 3: not that sort of show mate, So you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: next time.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's going to get its own area code.

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Speaker 3: Ah, this is so good. It's so good.

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Speaker 2: Can we get a band aid in him?

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Speaker 3: Andrew? Andrew here with I'm going to.

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Speaker 2: Take you to HHR over that.

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Speaker 3: It's like being back at secondary school, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's going to explode. It's going to erupt all over

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Speaker 3: Well if it does, hopefully it goes all over you, mate.

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Speaker 3: Iron Irish rather Lions midfielder Bundy archy. He is still

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Speaker 2: I mean, story that is crazy. The miracle of your

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think Bundy's mother was there as well

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Speaker 2: You know what happened with the miracle of your children

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Speaker 3: You know that is going to be a great chat.

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Speaker 3: about sick notes. So the e two union. They want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is it unfaired? It does seem a

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Speaker 2: bit strange when you're sick. If you're really sick, then

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Speaker 2: seems like a massive pain in the ass. I would

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Speaker 2: I've never been asked for a sick note if I've

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Speaker 2: I never take the pets, I guess. But my thought

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Speaker 2: just be looking to get rid of that employee because

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Speaker 2: you don't trust them. Yeah, So if you think they're

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Speaker 3: I actually agree with the union get rid of them,

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Speaker 3: but it is arguably about trust. Right, Yeah, there's going

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Speaker 3: to be a good chat after two o'clock and after actually,

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Speaker 3: right now it is one o'clock. The country's big four

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Speaker 3: to set up this coal stockpilot Huntley Power Station. It's

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Speaker 3: renewables they're just not reliable at the moment. I'm seeing

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Speaker 3: our dear listeners. There's a couple coming through about the

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Speaker 2: Matt. You're the biggest pillock I've ever heard on radio.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you need to grow up and leave Tyler alone.

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Speaker 3: Get Sandy.

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Speaker 2: Sandy, you don't have to sit there and look at it.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was Red Nose Day today, you tell them, said,

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Speaker 2: I thought I was about to donate some money to

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Speaker 2: Red Nose Day when you walked in.

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Speaker 3: You should do that anyway. Actually it's a great cause.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was Christmas. I thought Rudolph had turned up.

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Speaker 3: Tyler buys some Tooey's b Barm from health shop. It

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Speaker 3: works really good, Thank you, Darryl. I'll try that Toe's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the victim here. Having to steer at it. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt you, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, let's have a chat about coal and bring back

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Speaker 3: up there's that at another time. So the country's big

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Speaker 3: four power companies, as we know, they are stockpiling this

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Speaker 3: We've got low hydro dams at the moment, the wind

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Speaker 3: the big question here is why are we importing six

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Speaker 2: been our own coal, right And people say, look, it's

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Speaker 2: I Mean, sometimes I feel in New Zealand that we've

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Speaker 2: I feel like we are we need electricity, and we're

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Speaker 3: We should be proud of that. So keen to get

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Speaker 2: And why exactly is our energy situation so dire that

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Speaker 3: renewables to keep it going without coal? I hope we do.

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Speaker 3: this business is?

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Speaker 2: Leave Tyler alone? Matt, You're just a bully. Shame on you. Well,

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Speaker 2: maybe I am. Or maybe the heat being generated from

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Speaker 3: You U should be lucky, mate, it's cold, it's winter.

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Speaker 3: You should be enjoying that heat coming off my nose.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing that comes off your nose. If

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Speaker 2: it explodes on me, I'm taking you to hr it's.

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Speaker 3: Going to happen. It is a quarter past one or

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon du sixteen pass one. We are importing

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Speaker 3: coal for our grid security, but should we be utilizing

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Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a bunch of people that are texting through

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Speaker 3: We certainly have. Now let's go over to Garth. We'll

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Speaker 2: How are you get good?

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Speaker 6: Something we've got to consider as the carbon tax paid

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Speaker 6: Now that was my understanding. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 6: Probably, I don't know. There could also have been a

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Speaker 6: maybe some other callers will know the exact details on that,

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Speaker 5: You know, I mean.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing was stockpiling the coal is it

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Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, well that's not good either, is that

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Speaker 2: And if the low quality, and if that's the case,

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty. There's a number of call.

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Speaker 3: It's a good question.

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Speaker 2: There may be all be an answer to this question.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. If you're in the industry. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Why aren't we utilizing more of our own call to

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Speaker 3: It is twenty one past one.

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Speaker 2: There are heaps of great opportunities out there for business leaders,

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Speaker 2: but really only one you should be paying attention to.

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Speaker 3: And that is Spreading Industrial Estate. It's located in the

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Speaker 2: That's right, Tyler. Spedding Industrial Estate is a thoughtfully designed

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it is strategically located with unmatched connectivity to the

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Speaker 2: Auckland's north and west is experiencing extreme shortage of industrial lands,

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Speaker 3: This area is one of Auckland's key growth nodes, with

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Speaker 2: So it makes sense that such a well considered industrial

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't mark around. Spitting Hairs development lots available from

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Speaker 3: three thousand to fifty thousand square meters, be a part

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Speaker 3: You get voted off first round? I reckon. It's twenty

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, the reason Huntley power Station was built and

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Speaker 2: what pink Floyd album cover looks exactly like the Hunterly

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Speaker 2: power station? Is that? What that annoyment? I'll look it up, Andrew,

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Speaker 11: Gooday, Well, actually, don't look it up. It's the Bettersy

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Speaker 2: But what's the album though? Album book? Floyd album was.

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Speaker 12: Animal a couple of scientists and.

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Speaker 11: I think they were animals, but I think I think

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Speaker 11: But the one point that they couldn't agree on was

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Speaker 11: It's not a thousand years, it's two thousand years.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 11: The point is we've got absolutely vast, vast resources here

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Speaker 11: that's why the Huntley power station was built there. It's

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Speaker 2: I mean, the irony is that the iron Our guess

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Speaker 11: So one day there will be solutions out there. I

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Speaker 11: There will be other sources. Whether it's a safer form

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's pretty We're pretty good though already.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, we are fift.

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Speaker 2: Then we've got our geo thermal energy generation as well,

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Speaker 11: We're doing things outstanding. They will and you throw that

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Speaker 11: We're down here at North Otago, we've got the hydra

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Speaker 11: But but the irony of that on the flip side

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Speaker 11: the very people who were lauding our clean green hydro

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Speaker 11: the Southland north West coastam.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking, now someone will be able to

438
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Speaker 2: tell me on e one hundred and eighty, teen eighty

439
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Speaker 2: or nineteen ninety, what are the rivers that would be

440
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Speaker 2: potential damning rivers to put another hydro electric power plant on.

441
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Speaker 2: I wonder which ones are considered considered Well, the.

442
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Speaker 11: White Techi is one which has already been dammed in

443
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Speaker 11: a number of places, you know, up on the Ohal

444
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Speaker 11: to our projects and right up through there and back again.

445
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Speaker 11: In the early two thousands, there was a project deck

446
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Speaker 11: Worth Canal system that we're going to I can't remember

447
00:21:10,053 --> 00:21:11,453
Speaker 11: how many dams it was going to be. It was

448
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Speaker 11: going to divert a portion of the river and then

449
00:21:15,813 --> 00:21:20,173
Speaker 11: reintroduced that feared downstream having gone through. I think it

450
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Speaker 11: was five or six five or six different hydro power dams.

451
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Speaker 11: On the way back.

452
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Speaker 3: There was another one as well, I think Andrew on

453
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Speaker 3: the West coast you might know more about it than

454
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Speaker 3: I do, but Griffin Creek, and I believe it was

455
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Speaker 3: held up in the environment caught by the Federation of

456
00:21:34,333 --> 00:21:37,973
Speaker 3: Mountain Clubs. But that was effectively, you know, quite a

457
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Speaker 3: powerful river and creek that they wanted to utilize. It

458
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Speaker 3: doesn't get used by too many people apart from kenyoneers,

459
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Speaker 3: you know, people who want to hike through there, So

460
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Speaker 3: that was another potential that I think has been shut

461
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Speaker 3: down there.

462
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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, that's right. And look, you know, I mean

463
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Speaker 11: I'm an old tramper and I was like, oh the

464
00:21:56,093 --> 00:22:00,293
Speaker 11: climber as well. So you know, I'm well aware of

465
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Speaker 11: the value of our of our scenic resource and their

466
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Speaker 11: natural resource. But if anybody in this world can do it,

467
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Speaker 11: can do it cleanly, its us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for you coll Andrew. I appreciate it.

469
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Speaker 2: We did originally have coal near Huntley when it was

470
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Speaker 2: owned by the State Coal Corp Field Court, but now

471
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Speaker 2: that it's been sold to a private enterprise, the imported

472
00:22:21,213 --> 00:22:24,133
Speaker 2: coal is decidedly cheaper. So is that the case that

473
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Speaker 2: it's just cheaper to import coal from Indonesia than it

474
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Speaker 2: is to pull it out of the ground here in

475
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Speaker 2: New Zealand. I mean that you know, obviously the coal

476
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Speaker 2: that we are pulling out of the ground now is

477
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Speaker 2: the wrong kind of coal, a lot of them, because

478
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Speaker 2: we're not importing all the coal to the Hunting Power station,

479
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Speaker 2: aren't we. No, No, some of it's coming out of

480
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Speaker 2: the ground. But that would be a terrible state of

481
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Speaker 2: affairs if it's cheaper to pull it out of the

482
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Speaker 2: ground in Indonesia and ship it and truck it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

484
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Speaker 3: number to coll love to hear your thoughts on this,

485
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Speaker 3: and coming up very shortly, we are going to have

486
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Speaker 3: a chat to Patrick Phelps. He's a manager of minerals

487
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Speaker 3: New Zealand based on the West Coast, also a counselor.

488
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Speaker 3: He knows a lot about coal, so we've got some

489
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Speaker 3: questions we're going to put to him. It is twenty

490
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Speaker 3: eight to.

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Speaker 2: Two US talks.

492
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Speaker 13: There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

493
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Speaker 13: with a blue bubble. The Education Minister says almost all

494
00:23:14,093 --> 00:23:18,013
Speaker 13: student assessments could be marked by AI by twenty twenty eight.

495
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Speaker 13: The government's proposing scrapping in CEA in favor of a

496
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Speaker 13: system with more emphasis on literacy and numeracy. Coal Action

497
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Speaker 13: Network alter OA says every ton of coal burned adds

498
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Speaker 13: to climate change, which is obvious across the country. Genesis, Meridian,

499
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Speaker 13: Mercury and Contact planned to set up a large coal

500
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Speaker 13: reserve at Huntley Power Station to secure power supply for

501
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Speaker 13: the next ten years. At Canterbury University Rowing Club has

502
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Speaker 13: sincerely apologized after a rower allegedly threw and killed a

503
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Speaker 13: crayfish at a restaurant club event, and says it doesn't

504
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Speaker 13: reflect its values. Constructions begun on a new district court

505
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Speaker 13: for Auckland's Papacuda, meant to open early twenty twenty seven

506
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Speaker 13: at a cost of thirty four million dollars. In the US,

507
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Speaker 13: the Attorney Generals told prosecutors to investigate allegations Obama officials

508
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Speaker 13: a factured intelligence about Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election.

509
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Speaker 13: In Northland, College faces government intervention after a scathing report

510
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Speaker 13: on absenteeism. Seemore at enzed Herald Premium. Now back to

511
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Speaker 13: matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Scarlett. Now we are talking about

513
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Speaker 3: the use of New Zealand coal to keep our electricity

514
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Speaker 3: network stable. Joining us now is Patrick Phelps. He is

515
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Speaker 3: someone who knows a fair bit about coal. He's the

516
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Speaker 3: manager of Mineral's West Coast, a group representing the mining

517
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Speaker 3: industry on the West Coast, and he joins us now. Patrick,

518
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Speaker 3: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon to you all. Patrick. How shaky is agred?

520
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Speaker 2: Why do we need to have this huge coal stockpile

521
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Speaker 2: in Huntley?

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Speaker 14: Well, as a lot of people take a point of

523
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Speaker 14: national pride, and you alluded to it before, we've got

524
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Speaker 14: quite a substantial hydro fleet around the country. We've got Jeffermore,

525
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Speaker 14: we've got wind. But even over the last ten years,

526
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Speaker 14: as we've become ever more renewable, and looking at the

527
00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:11,413
Speaker 14: figures for the previous day generated anywhere between eighty to

528
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Speaker 14: eighty eight percent of our electricity from renewables, there's a

529
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Speaker 14: balance there of anywhere between ten and twenty percent that's

530
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Speaker 14: not available from renewables, and you've got to fill that gap.

531
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Speaker 14: Just as each of us needs one percent of the

532
00:25:23,933 --> 00:25:26,973
Speaker 14: oxygen that we breathe, we need every percentage of electricity

533
00:25:27,013 --> 00:25:29,653
Speaker 14: that we generate and use and when that's not renewables,

534
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Speaker 14: it has to be some combination of natural gas and coal.

535
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Speaker 2: And why Indonesian coal do we not dig this kind

536
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Speaker 2: of coal up in New Zealand?

537
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Speaker 5: Hello?

538
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Speaker 2: Hello, can you hear me? Are you there?

539
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,973
Speaker 3: We've just lost connection there, so hopefully Patrick, if you

540
00:25:45,013 --> 00:25:46,333
Speaker 3: hear us, we're just going to come back to you

541
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Speaker 3: very shortly. Andrew's just going to sort that out. We

542
00:25:48,653 --> 00:25:50,573
Speaker 3: might have to get Patrick on the phone there. Yeah,

543
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Speaker 3: have you got us there? Patrick? No, what we're going

544
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Speaker 3: to do, We're going to take it yep. We're going

545
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Speaker 3: to take a quick break and we're going to come

546
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Speaker 3: back with Patrick on the phone because we've got plenty

547
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Speaker 3: more questions for you. If you're still listening, Patrick, it

548
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Speaker 3: is twenty two past one.

549
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Speaker 1: Back in a month, the issues that affect you and

550
00:26:07,173 --> 00:26:09,333
Speaker 1: a bit of fun along the way. Madd Heath and

551
00:26:09,373 --> 00:26:11,733
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

552
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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon. Hopefully we've sort of the

553
00:26:14,533 --> 00:26:17,013
Speaker 3: phones out and back with us as Patrick Phelps. He

554
00:26:17,133 --> 00:26:20,253
Speaker 3: is the manager of Mineral's West Coast Patrick, we've got you.

555
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Speaker 14: There, Yeah, good afternoon. Sorry I lost you there.

556
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Speaker 5: Before.

557
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. Apologies, it could

558
00:26:25,733 --> 00:26:28,973
Speaker 2: have been our fault. We don't know. But so I

559
00:26:29,013 --> 00:26:30,893
Speaker 2: think I was asking you the question, if we go back,

560
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Speaker 2: why Indonesian col do we not dig this kind of

561
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Speaker 2: coal up in New Zealand.

562
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Speaker 14: Yeah, there's this is a question I get a lot,

563
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Speaker 14: So I guess first things first is to just get

564
00:26:43,053 --> 00:26:46,253
Speaker 14: some sense of scale. New Zealand's coal industry as it

565
00:26:46,373 --> 00:26:49,853
Speaker 14: is today produces anywhere between two and three million tons

566
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Speaker 14: of coal per year. You know, at the highest I

567
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Speaker 14: think New Zealand' production has ever been. We might have

568
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Speaker 14: produced about five million tons a year back when there

569
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Speaker 14: was more abundant, low cost coal and ydo as well

570
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Speaker 14: as some other factors. So if you sort of work

571
00:27:04,893 --> 00:27:07,333
Speaker 14: off that figure of anywhere between two to three million

572
00:27:07,413 --> 00:27:10,573
Speaker 14: now and our peak production never having been five million

573
00:27:10,613 --> 00:27:16,293
Speaker 14: tons a year, Indonesia exports, not produces, exports more than

574
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Speaker 14: five hundred million tons of coal internationally every single year.

575
00:27:20,653 --> 00:27:24,893
Speaker 14: And that's formal coal for use in electricity generation or

576
00:27:24,933 --> 00:27:28,213
Speaker 14: possibly direct heat in some boilers. But you know, half

577
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Speaker 14: a billion tons of coal each year. And so that's

578
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Speaker 14: one bit of the context. Another bit of context is

579
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Speaker 14: that in New Zealand, the demand for that coal is largely,

580
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Speaker 14: not exclusively, but largely in the electricity sector, where some

581
00:27:44,533 --> 00:27:48,053
Speaker 14: years Genesis Energy may find that there's enough demand to

582
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Speaker 14: justify burning two to three hundred thousand tons of coal

583
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Speaker 14: a year. Other years, if the lake levels are low,

584
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Speaker 14: or potentially gas levels gas productions low, it might burn

585
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Speaker 14: more than a million tons of years the coal a year.

586
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Speaker 14: So that volatility is quite substantial for a New Zealand

587
00:28:02,733 --> 00:28:06,813
Speaker 14: industry that already had a lot of customers. And you know,

588
00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:08,773
Speaker 14: some of the coal that we produce isn't new for

589
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Speaker 14: generating electricity. It's used for making steel, and so it's

590
00:28:11,533 --> 00:28:14,453
Speaker 14: exported to steel producers, and so that volatility is a

591
00:28:14,493 --> 00:28:16,013
Speaker 14: big factor. And then you just have to come to

592
00:28:16,013 --> 00:28:19,133
Speaker 14: the conclusion that well, as far as Genesis is concerned,

593
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Speaker 14: for the cost that they're willing to pay and the

594
00:28:21,213 --> 00:28:24,253
Speaker 14: price that produces out of Indonesia can supply it, it's

595
00:28:24,333 --> 00:28:26,173
Speaker 14: clearly just quite competitive for them to get it off.

596
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Speaker 2: Shot, right, And you mentioned natural gas there, how does

597
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Speaker 2: that factor into this whole unstability in the power system

598
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Speaker 2: in New Zealand.

599
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Speaker 14: Yeah, So of the two fossil fuels that we've got

600
00:28:39,693 --> 00:28:44,333
Speaker 14: and more ways than one. Natural gas has generally been preferable,

601
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Speaker 14: in part because people like to say less emissions intensive,

602
00:28:47,253 --> 00:28:50,213
Speaker 14: it's a transition fuel or whatever. It certainly seems to

603
00:28:50,253 --> 00:28:52,933
Speaker 14: be more palatable for some people than what coal does.

604
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Speaker 14: But if you go back to sort of twenty seventeen,

605
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Speaker 14: twenty eighteen, New Zealand was producing close to two hundred

606
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Speaker 14: head dules of gas each, yeah, somewhere about one hundred

607
00:29:02,253 --> 00:29:04,933
Speaker 14: and eighty two, one hundred and ninety. Now as of

608
00:29:04,973 --> 00:29:07,693
Speaker 14: this year, we're down to producing one hundred and six

609
00:29:07,693 --> 00:29:10,053
Speaker 14: peda duels. Now, a petatile is just a unit of energy,

610
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Speaker 14: It works out to about twenty eight liters of petrol.

611
00:29:12,133 --> 00:29:14,253
Speaker 14: But if you just accept the fact that our gas

612
00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:18,333
Speaker 14: production has pretty much halved over the last seven years

613
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Speaker 14: and over the next five years, we're going to be

614
00:29:21,053 --> 00:29:24,453
Speaker 14: down to about sixty six pedidule. So our gas production

615
00:29:24,773 --> 00:29:29,013
Speaker 14: is down and on a tradictory to continue falling. And

616
00:29:29,053 --> 00:29:31,253
Speaker 14: so if you've got a need for fossil fuels to

617
00:29:31,253 --> 00:29:34,013
Speaker 14: firm up the grid, coal is the most logical choice.

618
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Speaker 2: So as that as that gas production decreases, we're going

619
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Speaker 2: to have an increase in coal importing.

620
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Speaker 14: That would be my guess. Yes, I mean there has

621
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Speaker 14: been talk of liquified natural gas imports into New Zealand.

622
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Speaker 14: How cost effective or likely that is, I'm not sure.

623
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Speaker 14: But in the meantime, I mean, coals are pretty simple fuel.

624
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Speaker 14: You can use it and abuse it to your hearts. Contend,

625
00:29:57,453 --> 00:29:58,973
Speaker 14: you can cut it around on a truck, you can

626
00:29:59,013 --> 00:30:00,813
Speaker 14: leave it in the rain. It's you know, you don't

627
00:30:00,853 --> 00:30:02,573
Speaker 14: have to keep it in bottles like gas. It's not

628
00:30:02,613 --> 00:30:05,973
Speaker 14: like electricity that has to run down lines. So yeah,

629
00:30:06,093 --> 00:30:09,773
Speaker 14: it's a solid, transportable fuel. It's easy to store, just

630
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Speaker 14: in a large pile of up to six hundred thousand tons. Obviously,

631
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Speaker 14: as so as these electricity companies are concerned.

632
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Speaker 3: So are there policy hurdles that have been put in

633
00:30:16,613 --> 00:30:19,933
Speaker 3: the way of coal producers and mining companies or is

634
00:30:19,973 --> 00:30:22,453
Speaker 3: it more the facts that the market value that they

635
00:30:22,493 --> 00:30:24,933
Speaker 3: can get from opening up a new coal mine just

636
00:30:24,933 --> 00:30:25,773
Speaker 3: asn't what it used to be.

637
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Speaker 14: I would say it's definitely a bit of both. I mean,

638
00:30:29,613 --> 00:30:34,093
Speaker 14: I heard one of your callers say earlier. Once in

639
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Speaker 14: the good old days, all of these coal mines were

640
00:30:35,693 --> 00:30:37,973
Speaker 14: owned and operated by the state up to a point

641
00:30:37,973 --> 00:30:40,253
Speaker 14: where solid energy went broke n to the government's management

642
00:30:40,293 --> 00:30:41,933
Speaker 14: and then had to be sold off for you know,

643
00:30:41,973 --> 00:30:44,733
Speaker 14: in its various parts. And so there were coal mines

644
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Speaker 14: running in the White Kettow like Hunt the Underground and

645
00:30:46,773 --> 00:30:50,213
Speaker 14: the likes, And as far as I can recall, when

646
00:30:50,213 --> 00:30:53,293
Speaker 14: solid energy was broken up into parts and sold off,

647
00:30:53,933 --> 00:30:57,213
Speaker 14: there were about three or four coal mining companies that

648
00:30:57,653 --> 00:30:59,813
Speaker 14: bought what were going concerns, and then there were other

649
00:31:00,533 --> 00:31:03,173
Speaker 14: so called assets that were not taken on because presumably

650
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Speaker 14: they weren't viable, and I imagine that was the case

651
00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:09,173
Speaker 14: for Hunt the Underground. But yeah, this I mean, it's

652
00:31:09,173 --> 00:31:11,133
Speaker 14: hard to do anything in this country, as anyone who

653
00:31:11,173 --> 00:31:14,013
Speaker 14: ever tries to do anything knows, whether that's building a house,

654
00:31:14,093 --> 00:31:16,853
Speaker 14: whether that's trying to set up a hydro scheme on

655
00:31:16,893 --> 00:31:19,373
Speaker 14: the west coast of the South Island, and mining is

656
00:31:19,413 --> 00:31:21,973
Speaker 14: no exception. But I think all of those renewables are

657
00:31:22,053 --> 00:31:25,493
Speaker 14: under the same under the same constraints. You know, there

658
00:31:25,493 --> 00:31:27,053
Speaker 14: was an attempt to sol the farm down in the

659
00:31:27,093 --> 00:31:29,173
Speaker 14: mckensey country a year or two ago, and that got

660
00:31:29,373 --> 00:31:31,973
Speaker 14: stuck in the consenting process as well. But yeah, certainly

661
00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:35,853
Speaker 14: there are a lot of regulatory hurdles to more coal production.

662
00:31:35,933 --> 00:31:39,093
Speaker 14: In this country than otherwise. Otherwise might be the case

663
00:31:39,173 --> 00:31:42,053
Speaker 14: because you know, a boggy paddock with a few tussocks

664
00:31:42,093 --> 00:31:43,613
Speaker 14: growing and it can be conto it to wetland and

665
00:31:43,653 --> 00:31:45,133
Speaker 14: so that can make it quite difficult if you want

666
00:31:45,173 --> 00:31:47,493
Speaker 14: to get up to get the coal that's underneath it.

667
00:31:48,093 --> 00:31:51,293
Speaker 14: So yeah, I'd say that there's a whole heap of

668
00:31:51,293 --> 00:31:54,373
Speaker 14: different factors at play, but coal production in this country

669
00:31:54,413 --> 00:31:55,493
Speaker 14: could be higher than otherwise.

670
00:31:55,533 --> 00:31:59,653
Speaker 2: As we're talking to Patrick Felts, Minerals West Coast Manager,

671
00:31:59,933 --> 00:32:01,573
Speaker 2: what do you say to people like the lady that

672
00:32:01,573 --> 00:32:05,053
Speaker 2: we've all just heard on the news was saying every

673
00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:08,093
Speaker 2: ton of coal that has burnt leads to the crazy

674
00:32:08,093 --> 00:32:12,053
Speaker 2: weather and events like the Cannaburary wildfires that we're experiencing.

675
00:32:14,053 --> 00:32:18,613
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean every unit of fossil into the atmosphere.

676
00:32:18,773 --> 00:32:21,613
Speaker 14: You know, if we're measured in tons of carbon dioxide

677
00:32:21,653 --> 00:32:25,213
Speaker 14: and contributes to climate change cold no exception. Nor are

678
00:32:25,333 --> 00:32:29,013
Speaker 14: our diesel and petrol, you know, petrol that we use

679
00:32:29,053 --> 00:32:32,613
Speaker 14: for transport, more of the jet engines that bring international

680
00:32:32,693 --> 00:32:36,053
Speaker 14: travelers here. I mean, I think it's still upwards of

681
00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:38,573
Speaker 14: eighty or ninety percent of all of the world's energy

682
00:32:38,813 --> 00:32:42,733
Speaker 14: comes from fossil fuel, the balance coming from renewables and nuclear.

683
00:32:42,813 --> 00:32:45,293
Speaker 14: So yeah, coal makes a contribution. But what I would

684
00:32:45,293 --> 00:32:46,933
Speaker 14: say to that as well is that in New Zealand,

685
00:32:47,293 --> 00:32:51,013
Speaker 14: of all of our fossil fuels, you know, oil, transport,

686
00:32:51,933 --> 00:32:54,413
Speaker 14: gas and coal, because we don't use as much of

687
00:32:54,413 --> 00:32:56,573
Speaker 14: that as we use of other fuels, it's the minority

688
00:32:56,733 --> 00:33:02,173
Speaker 14: of our carbon dioxide emissions. But ultimately Genesis is using coal.

689
00:33:02,413 --> 00:33:06,093
Speaker 14: But they have revenue, they have got the ability to

690
00:33:06,093 --> 00:33:07,933
Speaker 14: borrow money. If they thought the best bet was to

691
00:33:07,973 --> 00:33:09,813
Speaker 14: just go build a Holy p solar farms or go

692
00:33:09,853 --> 00:33:11,973
Speaker 14: and build the Hoholelyap of wind farms, that's what they'd

693
00:33:11,973 --> 00:33:14,293
Speaker 14: be doing. There's clearly a demand in the market to

694
00:33:14,373 --> 00:33:19,453
Speaker 14: keep a fossil fuel plant going in our electricity generation portfolio.

695
00:33:20,293 --> 00:33:22,613
Speaker 2: So what would you like to see happen, you know,

696
00:33:22,733 --> 00:33:25,933
Speaker 2: in the short, medium and long term in terms of

697
00:33:27,053 --> 00:33:31,093
Speaker 2: coal usage and New Zealand and just power generation in

698
00:33:31,093 --> 00:33:33,253
Speaker 2: New Zealand in general, I'd.

699
00:33:33,053 --> 00:33:34,733
Speaker 14: Get rid of all of the other energy sources and

700
00:33:34,773 --> 00:33:37,373
Speaker 14: just use coal for everything. Go back to steam train steam.

701
00:33:38,813 --> 00:33:39,613
Speaker 3: What a time.

702
00:33:42,573 --> 00:33:44,173
Speaker 2: Growing up in Toned and I do miss the smell

703
00:33:44,213 --> 00:33:46,213
Speaker 2: of coal that you still when I was walking back

704
00:33:46,213 --> 00:33:47,053
Speaker 2: from Footy Pregoe.

705
00:33:48,733 --> 00:33:51,133
Speaker 14: No, I was just going to say that the I

706
00:33:51,173 --> 00:33:52,573
Speaker 14: think in the name, we've got to make it easy

707
00:33:52,653 --> 00:33:54,253
Speaker 14: to do a lot of things in New Zealand, including

708
00:33:54,293 --> 00:33:57,213
Speaker 14: electricity generation I still have on the West coast has

709
00:33:57,213 --> 00:33:59,653
Speaker 14: boondom mazed here and in my lifetime I've seen two

710
00:33:59,693 --> 00:34:04,053
Speaker 14: attempts at reasonably large hydro projects that would have you know,

711
00:34:04,213 --> 00:34:05,773
Speaker 14: they wouldn't have gone rid of all fossil fuels, but

712
00:34:05,773 --> 00:34:07,773
Speaker 14: they would have shifted the needle in terms of our supply.

713
00:34:08,333 --> 00:34:10,013
Speaker 14: I've both got held up in that process, and the

714
00:34:10,013 --> 00:34:12,853
Speaker 14: same is true for pretty much every other renewable asset

715
00:34:12,933 --> 00:34:15,372
Speaker 14: that you could attempt to build. So I think making

716
00:34:15,373 --> 00:34:19,413
Speaker 14: it easy to do everything is quite important. I think

717
00:34:19,973 --> 00:34:22,613
Speaker 14: repealing the oil and Gas band was I think quite

718
00:34:22,613 --> 00:34:24,933
Speaker 14: a good move because it gives us more options. But

719
00:34:25,093 --> 00:34:26,853
Speaker 14: if there's more gas out there, it's going to take

720
00:34:26,853 --> 00:34:30,173
Speaker 14: a while to be found and come online. In the meantime,

721
00:34:30,253 --> 00:34:32,813
Speaker 14: I think making it easy to produce coal in this country,

722
00:34:32,853 --> 00:34:34,973
Speaker 14: but still just being willing to live with the fact that,

723
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:37,613
Speaker 14: just like anything else, we can't produce enough of or

724
00:34:37,693 --> 00:34:40,253
Speaker 14: produce cheaply enough. In New Zealand, we're probably going to

725
00:34:40,253 --> 00:34:43,293
Speaker 14: have to live with important. Bear in mind, we export

726
00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:44,933
Speaker 14: goods all over the world. We import things.

727
00:34:44,773 --> 00:34:45,212
Speaker 4: We don't need.

728
00:34:45,253 --> 00:34:47,253
Speaker 14: We live in a we live in a global economy,

729
00:34:47,253 --> 00:34:49,493
Speaker 14: and I think that that's a good thing. We've actually,

730
00:34:49,533 --> 00:34:53,013
Speaker 14: funnily enough got a trade surplus with Indonesia because they

731
00:34:53,013 --> 00:34:54,493
Speaker 14: can send a lot of our meat and dairy products

732
00:34:54,493 --> 00:34:57,813
Speaker 14: which are produced with coal in a slightly conflated way.

733
00:34:58,813 --> 00:35:01,253
Speaker 14: And I do think it's some stage in New Zealand. Look,

734
00:35:01,293 --> 00:35:03,333
Speaker 14: maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but I do think

735
00:35:03,333 --> 00:35:06,453
Speaker 14: it's some stage being open minded to some form of

736
00:35:06,493 --> 00:35:08,652
Speaker 14: nuclear generation in New Zealand and something that I think

737
00:35:08,693 --> 00:35:11,933
Speaker 14: people should consider because after hydro, it's the world's largest

738
00:35:11,933 --> 00:35:13,493
Speaker 14: source of lower mission's energy.

739
00:35:14,053 --> 00:35:15,973
Speaker 2: All right, so let's get some nuclear power going. Let's

740
00:35:15,973 --> 00:35:18,333
Speaker 2: find a riveted van basically yeah, pretty much.

741
00:35:18,373 --> 00:35:20,253
Speaker 14: Yeah, and just steam trains and steamship. So I thank

742
00:35:20,333 --> 00:35:21,373
Speaker 14: if you didn't last.

743
00:35:22,453 --> 00:35:25,533
Speaker 3: Love, Patrick, really good to catch up. Go well and

744
00:35:25,573 --> 00:35:26,133
Speaker 3: we'll talk again.

745
00:35:26,213 --> 00:35:28,653
Speaker 2: So bring back the traction engines on our farms.

746
00:35:29,613 --> 00:35:32,772
Speaker 3: That is Patrick Phelps, the Manager of Minerals West Coast.

747
00:35:33,093 --> 00:35:34,212
Speaker 3: It is ten to.

748
00:35:34,093 --> 00:35:40,253
Speaker 1: Two, Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight

749
00:35:40,333 --> 00:35:42,733
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

750
00:35:42,773 --> 00:35:46,933
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons NEWSTALKSB News TALKSB.

751
00:35:47,093 --> 00:35:49,652
Speaker 3: It is eight to two and we have been talking

752
00:35:49,693 --> 00:35:52,533
Speaker 3: about coal use in New Zealand. There's six hundred thousand

753
00:35:52,613 --> 00:35:55,893
Speaker 3: tons imported into Huntley to make sure that electricity network

754
00:35:55,933 --> 00:35:58,013
Speaker 3: remains stable over winter. What do you say our one

755
00:35:58,053 --> 00:35:59,732
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty so number to call some good

756
00:35:59,773 --> 00:36:04,013
Speaker 3: techs coming through this one? Guys? What about geo thermal energy?

757
00:36:04,053 --> 00:36:07,333
Speaker 3: The lemonox plants is a prime example in topoor harnessing.

758
00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:11,013
Speaker 3: This just needs the spark smarts from Harry and GFIM

759
00:36:11,133 --> 00:36:11,693
Speaker 3: was a big part of it.

760
00:36:11,693 --> 00:36:13,652
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I think GEOFIM was a big part

761
00:36:13,653 --> 00:36:16,293
Speaker 2: of our whole operation, isn't it eighteen fifteen to eighteen percent?

762
00:36:16,333 --> 00:36:19,253
Speaker 2: I believe that's a big margin. Yeah, A bit of

763
00:36:19,293 --> 00:36:23,133
Speaker 2: it's coming through. Craig, welcome to the shape often.

764
00:36:23,053 --> 00:36:24,733
Speaker 3: How the game very well?

765
00:36:25,573 --> 00:36:27,533
Speaker 15: Okay, Hey, I've done a bit of work hardly over

766
00:36:27,573 --> 00:36:30,093
Speaker 15: the years with doing computit netwits and stuff. I find

767
00:36:30,133 --> 00:36:32,733
Speaker 15: it's quite funny how you've got Huntley worst and Huntly

768
00:36:32,773 --> 00:36:35,333
Speaker 15: East mine sort of within six or k's from the

769
00:36:35,413 --> 00:36:38,613
Speaker 15: power station and we used to years ago watch big

770
00:36:38,653 --> 00:36:41,173
Speaker 15: trains coming from near going across the bridge bringing colon.

771
00:36:41,253 --> 00:36:43,573
Speaker 15: But the other thing I find people tend to forget

772
00:36:43,573 --> 00:36:46,133
Speaker 15: sometimes is next to the Hunting power station is actually

773
00:36:46,133 --> 00:36:49,133
Speaker 15: a massive guests turbone plane, which I was a part

774
00:36:49,173 --> 00:36:51,493
Speaker 15: of commissioning back probably two thousand and eight, two thousand

775
00:36:51,533 --> 00:36:53,973
Speaker 15: and nine. It's a massive plant. They're going to build

776
00:36:54,013 --> 00:36:56,253
Speaker 15: another one next to it. They head all the engineers

777
00:36:56,253 --> 00:36:58,853
Speaker 15: come from Japan or Mistubishi engineers came across and set

778
00:36:58,853 --> 00:37:00,933
Speaker 15: it up and we're involved with that. But that's a

779
00:37:00,933 --> 00:37:03,053
Speaker 15: massive plant. But IM guessing with the guests shortage, they're

780
00:37:03,053 --> 00:37:05,853
Speaker 15: not they wouldn't be running that either. But so County's

781
00:37:05,853 --> 00:37:09,373
Speaker 15: not only coal, is also a massive guest tur right.

782
00:37:09,573 --> 00:37:11,732
Speaker 3: That is interesting and I imagine that is the case

783
00:37:11,773 --> 00:37:15,053
Speaker 3: that with the ban on on guess exploration, that's obviously

784
00:37:15,133 --> 00:37:15,693
Speaker 3: had an impact.

785
00:37:16,973 --> 00:37:17,212
Speaker 4: Yeah.

786
00:37:17,253 --> 00:37:19,333
Speaker 15: Well, they also did install a whole of cooling towers

787
00:37:19,373 --> 00:37:21,613
Speaker 15: what many years ago to the power station because during summer,

788
00:37:21,653 --> 00:37:22,933
Speaker 15: the water coming out of the power station it was

789
00:37:22,933 --> 00:37:25,212
Speaker 15: too hot to go into the river, and I always thought,

790
00:37:25,213 --> 00:37:26,693
Speaker 15: what do they do? What they did down in Telpo

791
00:37:26,773 --> 00:37:28,013
Speaker 15: and used the farm and the next to it, and

792
00:37:28,133 --> 00:37:30,733
Speaker 15: mess grew a whole lot of MESSI of prawn farms.

793
00:37:31,053 --> 00:37:32,573
Speaker 15: You know, you use the hot water and great prawns,

794
00:37:32,573 --> 00:37:35,053
Speaker 15: and you got more income for the local community to go.

795
00:37:35,173 --> 00:37:37,813
Speaker 15: And yeah, I don't know, it was a stupid idea,

796
00:37:37,813 --> 00:37:41,533
Speaker 15: I thought, but you might usual those of this, you know,

797
00:37:41,573 --> 00:37:43,333
Speaker 15: the hot water for making grown prawns, I.

798
00:37:43,333 --> 00:37:48,533
Speaker 3: Reckon, Yeah, who doesn't like prawns exactly? I don't know

799
00:37:48,573 --> 00:37:50,293
Speaker 3: they grew in the hot water. I mean that was

800
00:37:50,373 --> 00:37:52,093
Speaker 3: just you know, that's a weird interesting.

801
00:37:51,773 --> 00:37:56,773
Speaker 15: To down too. Yeah, there's providence they use the GMT.

802
00:37:57,013 --> 00:37:58,893
Speaker 15: Water's out heat it up. But yeah, I thought if

803
00:37:58,893 --> 00:38:01,053
Speaker 15: you brought it in the wayhead and there's probably you've

804
00:38:01,093 --> 00:38:04,053
Speaker 15: got distributors, you've got staff, you got all kinds of people.

805
00:38:03,813 --> 00:38:05,933
Speaker 2: And that's the kind of thinking this country needs, Graig.

806
00:38:06,973 --> 00:38:09,093
Speaker 2: If you've got hot water grow rawns.

807
00:38:09,813 --> 00:38:10,853
Speaker 5: Exactly, that's the one.

808
00:38:10,933 --> 00:38:14,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's deep, mate, Thank you very much. Great cool.

809
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:19,853
Speaker 3: A couple of texts to wrap this up, guys. Contentious

810
00:38:19,893 --> 00:38:22,013
Speaker 3: it may be. But if tay Point was closed down

811
00:38:22,173 --> 00:38:24,652
Speaker 3: and the workers, many of which were only part time,

812
00:38:24,693 --> 00:38:27,773
Speaker 3: were placed on the doll Although many would find alternative employment,

813
00:38:27,933 --> 00:38:30,493
Speaker 3: the electricity then fed to the national grid, we would

814
00:38:30,533 --> 00:38:34,413
Speaker 3: need no extra generation. Is t y Smelter was an

815
00:38:34,533 --> 00:38:36,893
Speaker 3: enormous use of electricity, Plus its owned by an Australian

816
00:38:36,933 --> 00:38:39,413
Speaker 3: company and profits go offshore from Pear.

817
00:38:39,653 --> 00:38:43,253
Speaker 2: It's incredibly hard to ship that electricity out of there.

818
00:38:43,333 --> 00:38:46,093
Speaker 2: The infrastructure you have to build around that. It's quite

819
00:38:46,133 --> 00:38:48,053
Speaker 2: complicated because I've always thought that just shove it back

820
00:38:48,053 --> 00:38:51,173
Speaker 2: in the grid. Yeah, but it doesn't that easy. Unfortunate

821
00:38:51,213 --> 00:38:54,333
Speaker 2: for some reason, this Texas is I think most agree

822
00:38:54,373 --> 00:38:57,133
Speaker 2: that burning Indonesian coal isn't great, but no one wants

823
00:38:57,173 --> 00:38:59,373
Speaker 2: to be cold either, do they. We need a good

824
00:38:59,373 --> 00:39:02,733
Speaker 2: economy and that involves a lot of cheap energy. A

825
00:39:02,813 --> 00:39:05,772
Speaker 2: bad economy means more hardships for the poor, the rich

826
00:39:05,813 --> 00:39:08,212
Speaker 2: and poor alike. So what can we do? Hydro is great,

827
00:39:08,213 --> 00:39:10,173
Speaker 2: but no one wants to damn another river, so no

828
00:39:10,173 --> 00:39:12,413
Speaker 2: one is even and no one is even talking about nuclear,

829
00:39:13,013 --> 00:39:15,733
Speaker 2: and solar and wind are a long way from filling

830
00:39:15,733 --> 00:39:18,933
Speaker 2: the gap. So Indonesian cole it is that's our future

831
00:39:18,973 --> 00:39:21,173
Speaker 2: for now. Sucks, but we haven't been smart enough to

832
00:39:21,173 --> 00:39:23,013
Speaker 2: sort anything out, So suck it up.

833
00:39:23,093 --> 00:39:25,533
Speaker 3: Kiwis what a great dex I think that sums it

834
00:39:25,613 --> 00:39:28,493
Speaker 3: up very nicely. Thank you very much, and thank you

835
00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:31,253
Speaker 3: to everyone who called in. Techs really enjoyed that discussion.

836
00:39:31,733 --> 00:39:33,772
Speaker 3: But that is we will leave it because after two

837
00:39:33,773 --> 00:39:36,453
Speaker 3: o'clock we want to have a chat about sick notes.

838
00:39:36,813 --> 00:39:39,573
Speaker 3: The union, your two union says, get rid of them

839
00:39:39,613 --> 00:39:42,013
Speaker 3: because it's too arduous for people to go down to

840
00:39:42,013 --> 00:39:43,693
Speaker 3: the doctor to get a sick note. But what do

841
00:39:43,733 --> 00:39:45,933
Speaker 3: you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

842
00:39:46,053 --> 00:39:46,692
Speaker 3: number to call.

843
00:39:46,973 --> 00:39:50,653
Speaker 2: Is it insulting being us to produce a sick note?

844
00:39:50,693 --> 00:39:54,413
Speaker 2: And if you don't trust someone as an employee to

845
00:39:54,973 --> 00:39:57,373
Speaker 2: be truthful about being sick, why are you employing them?

846
00:39:57,413 --> 00:39:57,973
Speaker 2: Get rid of them?

847
00:39:58,013 --> 00:39:59,973
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. This is going to

848
00:39:59,973 --> 00:40:03,253
Speaker 3: be a great chat. Use and sport and weather is

849
00:40:03,253 --> 00:40:05,493
Speaker 3: coming up very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

850
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:07,853
Speaker 3: Hope you having a great afternoon. We will see you

851
00:40:08,013 --> 00:40:08,573
Speaker 3: after the.

852
00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:21,173
Speaker 1: News talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor

853
00:40:21,173 --> 00:40:23,493
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

854
00:40:23,493 --> 00:40:27,133
Speaker 3: It'd be good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the

855
00:40:27,173 --> 00:40:29,773
Speaker 3: program six past to hope you have been a great

856
00:40:29,853 --> 00:40:33,133
Speaker 3: Tuesday afternoon. So let's have a chat about sick notes.

857
00:40:33,173 --> 00:40:36,013
Speaker 3: Employers can legally ask you for a medical certificate if

858
00:40:36,053 --> 00:40:38,093
Speaker 3: you need to take sick leave. We do know that,

859
00:40:38,373 --> 00:40:42,733
Speaker 3: but even for one day. A two Union national secretary

860
00:40:42,813 --> 00:40:45,493
Speaker 3: Rachel Macintosh says, while it was legal for employers to

861
00:40:45,493 --> 00:40:47,893
Speaker 3: ask for a sick note, they urged employers to waive

862
00:40:47,933 --> 00:40:51,373
Speaker 3: the requirement because, according to them, it causes hardship to

863
00:40:51,373 --> 00:40:54,053
Speaker 3: workers who either can't get to a GP appointment or

864
00:40:54,093 --> 00:40:55,413
Speaker 3: have to pay a high consultation.

865
00:40:55,973 --> 00:40:57,693
Speaker 2: You should take a sick day for that z it

866
00:40:57,853 --> 00:40:58,853
Speaker 2: on your nose, mate.

867
00:40:58,653 --> 00:41:00,893
Speaker 3: I'd like to do I need a medical certificate. I

868
00:41:01,013 --> 00:41:02,733
Speaker 3: might have to. I don't know a GP will look

869
00:41:02,773 --> 00:41:02,933
Speaker 3: at me.

870
00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:05,293
Speaker 2: Could you have a pimple on your nose so bad

871
00:41:05,413 --> 00:41:08,573
Speaker 2: that you have to take a day off work? Because

872
00:41:08,573 --> 00:41:10,053
Speaker 2: you must be close with that.

873
00:41:10,333 --> 00:41:12,133
Speaker 3: The bosses are listening. Bosses, you want to come in

874
00:41:12,173 --> 00:41:13,453
Speaker 3: and just check out the zet and see if I

875
00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:14,133
Speaker 3: need a day off.

876
00:41:14,173 --> 00:41:16,212
Speaker 2: Well, Produce Andrews brought me a plaster so you can

877
00:41:16,213 --> 00:41:17,853
Speaker 2: cover that up so I don't have to look at it.

878
00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:20,013
Speaker 2: But anyway, I've derailed all I can think of. It's

879
00:41:20,053 --> 00:41:22,172
Speaker 2: kind of like then Austin Powers the Moley Mole mole

880
00:41:22,253 --> 00:41:24,973
Speaker 2: mole situation. I'm trying to concentrate on the show, but

881
00:41:25,093 --> 00:41:28,333
Speaker 2: that massive volcano on your nose is distracting me.

882
00:41:28,493 --> 00:41:31,053
Speaker 3: It's a beauty if everyone says, just just pop it.

883
00:41:31,093 --> 00:41:32,533
Speaker 3: I tried that and it's made it worse.

884
00:41:33,933 --> 00:41:37,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's disgusting. The whole thing you need,

885
00:41:37,853 --> 00:41:39,773
Speaker 2: you need, you don't need it. I'll write you a

886
00:41:39,813 --> 00:41:42,173
Speaker 2: sick note if you go home and start tending to

887
00:41:42,213 --> 00:41:42,573
Speaker 2: that thing.

888
00:41:42,693 --> 00:41:44,453
Speaker 3: Mate. This is what happens when you become an adult.

889
00:41:45,973 --> 00:41:48,133
Speaker 2: Well, when you're come an adult, you're supposed to stop having zets.

890
00:41:49,013 --> 00:41:49,853
Speaker 2: What are you thirty eight?

891
00:41:50,253 --> 00:41:52,613
Speaker 3: Well, I'll blame it anyway. Anyway, I'm not going to

892
00:41:52,653 --> 00:41:53,533
Speaker 3: blame it on anybody.

893
00:41:53,613 --> 00:41:55,652
Speaker 2: So my thing with these sick note things, if you

894
00:41:55,733 --> 00:41:57,693
Speaker 2: have to ask for a sick note to prove a

895
00:41:57,733 --> 00:42:01,053
Speaker 2: work or a sick how can you trust your employees?

896
00:42:01,133 --> 00:42:02,853
Speaker 2: So you're basically saying, when you ask for a sick

897
00:42:02,893 --> 00:42:06,692
Speaker 2: note from an employee, I think you're a liar and

898
00:42:06,733 --> 00:42:09,252
Speaker 2: that you're trying to scam me. That's basically what you're saying.

899
00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:13,493
Speaker 2: So if you're an employee E and you're being asked

900
00:42:13,493 --> 00:42:17,293
Speaker 2: for a sick note, then wouldn't you feel I've never

901
00:42:17,293 --> 00:42:19,172
Speaker 2: been asked for a sick note. I'd be insulted. I'd

902
00:42:19,213 --> 00:42:22,533
Speaker 2: say I told you I'm sick. I'm not lying to you.

903
00:42:22,533 --> 00:42:25,493
Speaker 2: You want you want me to go to a to

904
00:42:25,973 --> 00:42:27,773
Speaker 2: get a note? To say, I'm not lying to you.

905
00:42:28,133 --> 00:42:29,813
Speaker 3: If you're too sick to come into work, you're too

906
00:42:29,853 --> 00:42:32,053
Speaker 3: sick to get down to the GP, really, because most

907
00:42:32,093 --> 00:42:32,933
Speaker 3: people it should be.

908
00:42:32,893 --> 00:42:34,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's what's the other part of that is that?

909
00:42:35,533 --> 00:42:37,013
Speaker 2: I mean, if it was that we need you to

910
00:42:37,013 --> 00:42:38,493
Speaker 2: go to see a doctor so you can get the

911
00:42:38,533 --> 00:42:40,693
Speaker 2: treatment so you get back to work quicker potentially. But

912
00:42:40,693 --> 00:42:42,573
Speaker 2: I don't think that's what it is. I think you're

913
00:42:42,613 --> 00:42:45,212
Speaker 2: asking for a sick note because you think that they're

914
00:42:45,253 --> 00:42:48,893
Speaker 2: lying to you. And so from both sides, A from

915
00:42:48,933 --> 00:42:52,213
Speaker 2: the employer's side, why are you employing someone that's a liar,

916
00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:57,493
Speaker 2: Because you every employer employee has to be trusted in

917
00:42:57,533 --> 00:43:00,133
Speaker 2: some aspect of their job. And if you're an employee e,

918
00:43:00,813 --> 00:43:03,333
Speaker 2: then what does it say from your boss if he's

919
00:43:03,773 --> 00:43:05,652
Speaker 2: he or she's telling you you're a liar and telling

920
00:43:05,693 --> 00:43:06,652
Speaker 2: you to go and get a sick note.

921
00:43:06,653 --> 00:43:09,333
Speaker 3: So with that in minds fun enough, you're actually with

922
00:43:09,453 --> 00:43:11,613
Speaker 3: the union here get rid of the medical certificates.

923
00:43:11,653 --> 00:43:12,652
Speaker 2: Why is that funnily enough?

924
00:43:13,093 --> 00:43:15,212
Speaker 3: Well, because it's a different argument from you. I mean

925
00:43:15,253 --> 00:43:17,613
Speaker 3: the medical The union says that it costs too much

926
00:43:17,653 --> 00:43:20,692
Speaker 3: to go get a medical certificate. You're saying there's no

927
00:43:20,733 --> 00:43:22,533
Speaker 3: need for it. Either you trust your worker or you

928
00:43:22,533 --> 00:43:23,573
Speaker 3: don't trust your worker.

929
00:43:24,013 --> 00:43:27,733
Speaker 2: The test saying stop hassling has nose. Matt, you're a bully.

930
00:43:27,813 --> 00:43:30,213
Speaker 2: Well you don't have to look at the giant growth

931
00:43:30,253 --> 00:43:30,812
Speaker 2: on his nose.

932
00:43:32,453 --> 00:43:38,853
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a scratch, Matt, It's just a scratch.

933
00:43:39,093 --> 00:43:40,692
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what do you think about this? Sick notes?

934
00:43:41,173 --> 00:43:43,493
Speaker 2: I mean, as you. You're the same as me, aren't you. Tyler.

935
00:43:43,533 --> 00:43:45,653
Speaker 2: You've never been asked for a sick note from.

936
00:43:45,533 --> 00:43:47,853
Speaker 3: Never, and I probably would be insulted. It was one day.

937
00:43:47,893 --> 00:43:49,053
Speaker 3: But here's the here's the kicker.

938
00:43:49,133 --> 00:43:52,133
Speaker 2: If our boss Will, if I had been away from

939
00:43:52,133 --> 00:43:55,653
Speaker 2: doing the show for three days and our boss Will said, okay,

940
00:43:55,733 --> 00:43:58,773
Speaker 2: provide a sick note, I'd like I'd take that quite.

941
00:43:58,653 --> 00:44:00,973
Speaker 3: Personally for three days. See, I was going to say

942
00:44:00,973 --> 00:44:04,533
Speaker 3: if I'm sick for let's say five days, and Will

943
00:44:04,573 --> 00:44:06,133
Speaker 3: came and said, we need you to go down to

944
00:44:06,173 --> 00:44:08,053
Speaker 3: your GP and get a sick note. I'll probably say

945
00:44:08,053 --> 00:44:11,172
Speaker 3: fair after five days, But maybe that says more about

946
00:44:11,173 --> 00:44:14,093
Speaker 3: me as an employee rather than the system we've got

947
00:44:14,093 --> 00:44:14,453
Speaker 3: at the moment.

948
00:44:14,533 --> 00:44:16,933
Speaker 2: Well, this textas says on nineteen nine two, New Zealan

949
00:44:16,933 --> 00:44:20,252
Speaker 2: employers can legally request a medical certificate certificate for sick

950
00:44:20,333 --> 00:44:22,973
Speaker 2: leave even a single day. However, if the sick leave

951
00:44:23,173 --> 00:44:25,973
Speaker 2: is for less than three consecutive days, the employer is

952
00:44:26,013 --> 00:44:28,933
Speaker 2: generally responsible for the cost of attaining the certificate. If

953
00:44:28,973 --> 00:44:32,733
Speaker 2: the absence is three or more days, the employee typically

954
00:44:32,773 --> 00:44:36,813
Speaker 2: covers the cost employer pays, so no financial hardship.

955
00:44:37,373 --> 00:44:41,213
Speaker 3: Well, that completely destroys their union's argument. I'll wait one

956
00:44:41,293 --> 00:44:43,213
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you were a boss,

957
00:44:43,813 --> 00:44:46,173
Speaker 3: how often would you ask an employee for a medical

958
00:44:46,213 --> 00:44:48,573
Speaker 3: certificate a note from the doctor to say I cannot

959
00:44:48,573 --> 00:44:51,732
Speaker 3: come into work because I am too sick. I would

960
00:44:51,773 --> 00:44:54,613
Speaker 3: assume that there'd be many many employees out there that

961
00:44:54,653 --> 00:44:56,413
Speaker 3: would never ask for a medical certificate.

962
00:44:56,853 --> 00:44:58,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this text says, guys regarding sick notes, if

963
00:44:59,013 --> 00:45:00,973
Speaker 2: you're dealing with five hundred and sixty staff like my

964
00:45:01,093 --> 00:45:06,053
Speaker 2: plant is, you don't have time to know everyone individually,

965
00:45:06,093 --> 00:45:07,493
Speaker 2: so you have to treat them all the same. Well,

966
00:45:07,533 --> 00:45:11,493
Speaker 2: that's an interesting point. Yeah, So so you don't have

967
00:45:11,493 --> 00:45:14,013
Speaker 2: a relationship, so it's not personal to say I think

968
00:45:14,013 --> 00:45:16,413
Speaker 2: they're lying. We just have this one blanket rule that

969
00:45:16,493 --> 00:45:19,773
Speaker 2: if you're away, then you provide a sick note.

970
00:45:20,293 --> 00:45:22,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's an interesting point. I eight one

971
00:45:22,773 --> 00:45:25,173
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty love to hear from you. And

972
00:45:25,213 --> 00:45:27,333
Speaker 3: if you're a worker, do you feel a bit insulted

973
00:45:27,373 --> 00:45:29,693
Speaker 3: when your boss has asked you for a medical certificate?

974
00:45:29,853 --> 00:45:32,973
Speaker 2: Yeah? And let's say there's five people in your workplace

975
00:45:32,973 --> 00:45:35,373
Speaker 2: and you know all of them, all your employees. If

976
00:45:35,413 --> 00:45:36,973
Speaker 2: you're asking them for a sick note, aren't you just

977
00:45:37,013 --> 00:45:38,053
Speaker 2: saying that you don't trust them?

978
00:45:38,133 --> 00:45:40,213
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

979
00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:42,293
Speaker 3: number to call. Can you get thoughts on this? It

980
00:45:42,373 --> 00:45:43,413
Speaker 3: is eleven past two.

981
00:45:43,813 --> 00:45:48,413
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

982
00:45:48,453 --> 00:45:52,133
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

983
00:45:52,013 --> 00:45:52,413
Speaker 8: Said, be.

984
00:45:54,613 --> 00:45:56,933
Speaker 3: Afternoon, It is a quarter past two, and we're talking

985
00:45:56,933 --> 00:45:58,933
Speaker 3: about sick notes. The union wants to get rid of

986
00:45:59,013 --> 00:46:01,573
Speaker 3: them altogether. Their argument is that it is a cost

987
00:46:01,613 --> 00:46:03,813
Speaker 3: on the employee, but as a boss, what do you say,

988
00:46:03,813 --> 00:46:06,373
Speaker 3: do you ever ask your employees for a medical certificate?

989
00:46:07,133 --> 00:46:11,373
Speaker 2: I'm getting a bit of pushback here on my opinion

990
00:46:12,013 --> 00:46:14,652
Speaker 2: that asking for a sick note. I'd be offended if

991
00:46:14,653 --> 00:46:16,133
Speaker 2: my boss asked me for a sick note, because I'm

992
00:46:16,133 --> 00:46:21,813
Speaker 2: a very honest person. But also that if you think

993
00:46:21,853 --> 00:46:23,933
Speaker 2: your employees a liar to the point you have to

994
00:46:23,933 --> 00:46:25,933
Speaker 2: ask for a sick note, why you employing them? This

995
00:46:25,973 --> 00:46:27,693
Speaker 2: Texas says, I have a small team of ten and

996
00:46:27,733 --> 00:46:29,933
Speaker 2: require all staff to have a sick note after three

997
00:46:29,973 --> 00:46:32,533
Speaker 2: days to avoid views of discrimination if I only ask

998
00:46:32,613 --> 00:46:36,493
Speaker 2: certain staff. In addition for the staff's own health, if

999
00:46:36,533 --> 00:46:38,773
Speaker 2: they are still unwell after three days, we want to

1000
00:46:38,813 --> 00:46:41,172
Speaker 2: make sure they are okay and get the help they need.

1001
00:46:41,373 --> 00:46:42,893
Speaker 2: That's a good point. If you have been sick for

1002
00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:44,653
Speaker 2: three days, maybe you need to go to the doctor.

1003
00:46:45,093 --> 00:46:48,653
Speaker 2: But this person says, guys, if I call my GP today,

1004
00:46:48,693 --> 00:46:51,333
Speaker 2: the earliest point would be in two weeks time. What

1005
00:46:51,373 --> 00:46:53,173
Speaker 2: do I do in that case? By the time he

1006
00:46:53,253 --> 00:46:56,453
Speaker 2: saw me, I would be well again. Yeah. I mean

1007
00:46:56,493 --> 00:46:59,333
Speaker 2: I had to book a doctor for one of my kids,

1008
00:46:59,693 --> 00:47:02,053
Speaker 2: and I went to the medical center and it was

1009
00:47:02,093 --> 00:47:04,253
Speaker 2: literally two and a half weeks before I could get

1010
00:47:04,253 --> 00:47:06,493
Speaker 2: an appointment with their doctor. Yeah, so what are you

1011
00:47:06,493 --> 00:47:07,692
Speaker 2: doing to these situations?

1012
00:47:07,853 --> 00:47:10,253
Speaker 3: Exactly? It means the medical certificate is kind of nonsense.

1013
00:47:10,253 --> 00:47:11,373
Speaker 3: I went one hundred and eighty.

1014
00:47:11,213 --> 00:47:14,133
Speaker 2: T you can do things such as video call, video

1015
00:47:14,733 --> 00:47:16,813
Speaker 2: calls with the doctor and audio calls with the doctor.

1016
00:47:16,893 --> 00:47:19,493
Speaker 2: You can that is that good enough for you or employee?

1017
00:47:19,773 --> 00:47:22,692
Speaker 3: You'd think so? Yeah, and look to that Texter who

1018
00:47:22,693 --> 00:47:25,893
Speaker 3: says it's about looking after staff. Absolutely get that argument.

1019
00:47:26,293 --> 00:47:29,053
Speaker 3: But again, I've never been asked for a medical medical certificate.

1020
00:47:29,093 --> 00:47:32,333
Speaker 3: If I was, I would certainly provide my boss with one.

1021
00:47:32,893 --> 00:47:35,893
Speaker 3: But like you're say, Matt, I just feel that relationship

1022
00:47:35,933 --> 00:47:40,973
Speaker 3: between boss and employee that straight away would say to me,

1023
00:47:41,373 --> 00:47:43,493
Speaker 3: the boss thinks I'm taking the mick here. Yeah, the

1024
00:47:43,533 --> 00:47:46,453
Speaker 3: boss doesn't think I'm sick. The boss thinks simon. And

1025
00:47:46,493 --> 00:47:48,013
Speaker 3: I can imagine that's the kind of thing that would

1026
00:47:48,053 --> 00:47:48,812
Speaker 3: make me really angry.

1027
00:47:48,853 --> 00:47:51,613
Speaker 2: And I was sick. So I'm at home feeling terrible

1028
00:47:51,613 --> 00:47:54,573
Speaker 2: and bad, and the boss is you talk to the

1029
00:47:54,613 --> 00:47:56,413
Speaker 2: boss on the phone. And I know it's different if

1030
00:47:56,453 --> 00:47:58,013
Speaker 2: you've got five hundred employees, but if you've got a

1031
00:47:58,053 --> 00:48:02,693
Speaker 2: relationship with your boss, you call them up and you say, hey, mate,

1032
00:48:03,493 --> 00:48:05,573
Speaker 2: I'm sick, and they say, great, get a sick note.

1033
00:48:05,653 --> 00:48:09,772
Speaker 2: I'm going to go, buddy, I'm out. I quit. Hey, guys,

1034
00:48:09,853 --> 00:48:11,933
Speaker 2: listen to you while I am off sick today. The

1035
00:48:12,013 --> 00:48:14,093
Speaker 2: issue with getting a sick note as there's such a

1036
00:48:14,133 --> 00:48:16,093
Speaker 2: doctor shortage by the time you get an appointment, you

1037
00:48:16,093 --> 00:48:18,733
Speaker 2: won't be sick anymore, and then taking up a spot

1038
00:48:18,773 --> 00:48:21,693
Speaker 2: for someone who really needs to see the doctor. Cheers

1039
00:48:21,693 --> 00:48:24,013
Speaker 2: on your funny chat. Oh, thank you very much, thanks

1040
00:48:24,013 --> 00:48:25,933
Speaker 2: for your text. I mean that's the other element, right

1041
00:48:25,973 --> 00:48:28,733
Speaker 2: as I think. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but

1042
00:48:29,013 --> 00:48:31,773
Speaker 2: most keyways, I think when they get KROC, they want

1043
00:48:31,773 --> 00:48:33,533
Speaker 2: to get back to work as soon as possible, right,

1044
00:48:33,653 --> 00:48:35,893
Speaker 2: most of us want to do that. So the idea

1045
00:48:36,213 --> 00:48:38,613
Speaker 2: of having to do go down to the GP and

1046
00:48:38,653 --> 00:48:41,453
Speaker 2: request a medical sort of certificate, most of us are thinking,

1047
00:48:41,613 --> 00:48:43,373
Speaker 2: I'm going to be right in twenty four hours, I'm

1048
00:48:43,413 --> 00:48:45,213
Speaker 2: going to kick this thing and get back to work.

1049
00:48:45,493 --> 00:48:47,573
Speaker 2: So all this running around and paying sixty bucks for

1050
00:48:47,613 --> 00:48:49,853
Speaker 2: a medical certificate, I don't need to do it. Lisa,

1051
00:48:49,973 --> 00:48:53,053
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. You get asked by your employee

1052
00:48:53,413 --> 00:48:56,173
Speaker 2: for medical for a medical certificate is that true? Is

1053
00:48:56,213 --> 00:48:56,653
Speaker 2: that correct?

1054
00:48:56,693 --> 00:49:02,333
Speaker 16: So that is correct? Yes, So every time I'm sick,

1055
00:49:02,853 --> 00:49:10,213
Speaker 16: I get an email, you know, just making sure that

1056
00:49:10,293 --> 00:49:14,773
Speaker 16: I'm looking after myself. And that's fine, but anything anything

1057
00:49:14,813 --> 00:49:16,773
Speaker 16: more than three days I have to go and get

1058
00:49:16,813 --> 00:49:21,533
Speaker 16: a medical certificate. But it's I mean, I work for

1059
00:49:23,013 --> 00:49:26,893
Speaker 16: a large New Zealand organization and there's thousands of us,

1060
00:49:27,573 --> 00:49:31,053
Speaker 16: and I feel as though it's more they ask for

1061
00:49:31,133 --> 00:49:33,973
Speaker 16: it to deter us from going sick.

1062
00:49:34,533 --> 00:49:35,853
Speaker 2: Right, That's how I feel.

1063
00:49:35,893 --> 00:49:37,053
Speaker 16: That's how it makes me feel.

1064
00:49:37,293 --> 00:49:39,333
Speaker 2: Do you think that that email you get if you

1065
00:49:39,653 --> 00:49:43,733
Speaker 2: work for a large organization is in some ways just automatic,

1066
00:49:44,293 --> 00:49:47,973
Speaker 2: automatically checking on you and then automatically see see if

1067
00:49:47,973 --> 00:49:48,333
Speaker 2: you need it.

1068
00:49:49,933 --> 00:49:50,172
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1069
00:49:50,333 --> 00:49:53,373
Speaker 16: Yeah, I just feel like they're checking their boxes. They're

1070
00:49:53,373 --> 00:49:56,093
Speaker 16: making sure they're saying all the right things, you know,

1071
00:49:56,133 --> 00:49:58,253
Speaker 16: make sure you look after yourself if you need anything,

1072
00:49:58,293 --> 00:50:00,813
Speaker 16: that type of thing. But you know, I don't feel

1073
00:50:00,813 --> 00:50:05,533
Speaker 16: like it's genuine. It's just a yeah, it's they don't

1074
00:50:05,533 --> 00:50:07,893
Speaker 16: really I feel. I mean, the way it makes me

1075
00:50:07,973 --> 00:50:11,133
Speaker 16: feel that they don't really care. They just want to

1076
00:50:11,173 --> 00:50:14,933
Speaker 16: make sure that I am legitimately sick and they want

1077
00:50:14,973 --> 00:50:17,093
Speaker 16: to make sure that I'm going to get back to.

1078
00:50:17,013 --> 00:50:20,292
Speaker 2: Work, Lisa, would you, Lisa, would you ever take the pass?

1079
00:50:20,333 --> 00:50:23,573
Speaker 2: Would you ever take a sick day when you're not sick?

1080
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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 16: I mean, look, there are days when you're just not

1082
00:50:29,653 --> 00:50:33,453
Speaker 16: feeling you know, it could be a mental health day

1083
00:50:33,493 --> 00:50:34,172
Speaker 16: off type thing.

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Speaker 5: But no, no, no, no, But I don't.

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00:50:37,053 --> 00:50:42,373
Speaker 16: I genuinely don't because I genuinely think about the people

1086
00:50:42,413 --> 00:50:44,533
Speaker 16: that have to replace me if I can't go to work.

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00:50:44,733 --> 00:50:46,773
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean?

1088
00:50:46,813 --> 00:50:50,413
Speaker 16: Because Okay, I'm a flight attendant, so it'll tell you

1089
00:50:50,453 --> 00:50:54,893
Speaker 16: who I work for. But and so if I call

1090
00:50:54,933 --> 00:50:57,652
Speaker 16: him sick, I feel sorry for the poor bugger that

1091
00:50:57,733 --> 00:50:59,973
Speaker 16: has to take over my my flight.

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00:51:00,613 --> 00:51:03,373
Speaker 2: If your flight attendants aren't you aren't you on? Because

1093
00:51:03,413 --> 00:51:05,893
Speaker 2: I know a couple of flight attendants and you know,

1094
00:51:05,933 --> 00:51:08,373
Speaker 2: if we're going out for a drink, they're like, I

1095
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:10,733
Speaker 2: have to wait to find out that I'm not in

1096
00:51:11,773 --> 00:51:14,212
Speaker 2: line to cover for someone if they don't come through,

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Speaker 2: If you know what I mean. That is that how

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00:51:15,493 --> 00:51:17,692
Speaker 2: it works? Or are they just not wanting to drink

1099
00:51:17,693 --> 00:51:17,893
Speaker 2: with me?

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Speaker 16: It could be that, but yeah, yeah, I mean, we

1101
00:51:23,333 --> 00:51:26,133
Speaker 16: have we have blocks of you know, if we're if

1102
00:51:26,173 --> 00:51:29,773
Speaker 16: we are on standby, we're on stand by blocks.

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00:51:30,653 --> 00:51:32,853
Speaker 5: It could be yeah, yeah, yeah, so you.

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00:51:32,773 --> 00:51:35,533
Speaker 16: Could be on standby from two in the morning to

1105
00:51:35,613 --> 00:51:38,413
Speaker 16: two in the afternoon, so after two in the afternoon

1106
00:51:38,493 --> 00:51:39,133
Speaker 16: they're good to go.

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Speaker 3: I mean listening to what you're saying, Lisa, and to me,

1108
00:51:43,613 --> 00:51:45,293
Speaker 3: I think yet the nail on the head. It sometimes

1109
00:51:45,293 --> 00:51:48,533
Speaker 3: just feels a bit patronizing when I hear people ask

1110
00:51:48,613 --> 00:51:51,013
Speaker 3: for medical certificates. It's like when you're at school and

1111
00:51:51,053 --> 00:51:53,252
Speaker 3: you've got to get a note from your parents. That's

1112
00:51:53,293 --> 00:51:55,693
Speaker 3: kind of what it feels like. It's like being treated

1113
00:51:55,813 --> 00:51:58,253
Speaker 3: as a child when you're an adult. You are crook,

1114
00:51:58,333 --> 00:52:00,973
Speaker 3: you're not making it up. Just treat me as an adult.

1115
00:52:01,053 --> 00:52:05,253
Speaker 3: But I understand for a big company having automated just

1116
00:52:05,293 --> 00:52:06,772
Speaker 3: they tick that off on the old HR.

1117
00:52:08,053 --> 00:52:11,613
Speaker 16: Yeah, I feel and I just I kind of feel like, look,

1118
00:52:12,453 --> 00:52:15,813
Speaker 16: I have sick days for a reason, and and the

1119
00:52:15,893 --> 00:52:18,333
Speaker 16: one titled to those sick days, and should I have

1120
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Speaker 16: to provide a medical certificate? Maybe perhaps after I've run

1121
00:52:23,293 --> 00:52:27,413
Speaker 16: out of my sick days, But you know, I mean,

1122
00:52:27,813 --> 00:52:29,933
Speaker 16: we're also in the type of job where we get

1123
00:52:30,013 --> 00:52:32,133
Speaker 16: sick all the time. You know, we're in out of

1124
00:52:32,133 --> 00:52:33,053
Speaker 16: the country.

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Speaker 2: Basically a little Petri dish of people breathing.

1126
00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:41,212
Speaker 16: Literally in a Petrie dish, you know, And so you're

1127
00:52:41,253 --> 00:52:42,773
Speaker 16: in and out of different time.

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00:52:42,653 --> 00:52:43,652
Speaker 15: Zones, different.

1129
00:52:44,853 --> 00:52:48,253
Speaker 16: With us, you know, with our temperature, so you know,

1130
00:52:48,333 --> 00:52:50,693
Speaker 16: we're more susceptible to getting sick.

1131
00:52:50,733 --> 00:52:52,813
Speaker 2: And get a chance of your circuits because of your

1132
00:52:52,893 --> 00:52:53,692
Speaker 2: job that you are.

1133
00:52:55,173 --> 00:52:57,133
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's right.

1134
00:52:56,573 --> 00:52:59,733
Speaker 2: When you have when you say, and I mentioned being

1135
00:52:59,893 --> 00:53:03,013
Speaker 2: a in the job that you are, you know, you

1136
00:53:03,093 --> 00:53:05,053
Speaker 2: have to be on and you have to deal with

1137
00:53:05,053 --> 00:53:07,573
Speaker 2: a lot of people. And also there's a safety element

1138
00:53:07,613 --> 00:53:12,413
Speaker 2: to what you're doing as well, so so you and

1139
00:53:12,533 --> 00:53:14,533
Speaker 2: there's also the other part of you not contributing to

1140
00:53:14,573 --> 00:53:17,812
Speaker 2: the Petri dish of making everyone else on the plane sick.

1141
00:53:18,733 --> 00:53:21,252
Speaker 2: So I imagine your threshold for a day off would

1142
00:53:21,293 --> 00:53:23,493
Speaker 2: be slightly different than say mine, when I just have

1143
00:53:23,613 --> 00:53:25,853
Speaker 2: to come in here and talk to Mike and steer

1144
00:53:25,853 --> 00:53:27,253
Speaker 2: at a giant z that on the other side of

1145
00:53:27,293 --> 00:53:30,853
Speaker 2: the studio, you know, I imagine, you know, there's actually

1146
00:53:30,893 --> 00:53:34,293
Speaker 2: lives at stake with your job potentially, I.

1147
00:53:34,253 --> 00:53:38,613
Speaker 16: Mean, there's a responsibility and if you are sick and

1148
00:53:38,653 --> 00:53:41,573
Speaker 16: you take the day off because you don't want to spread.

1149
00:53:41,493 --> 00:53:44,093
Speaker 5: Your gyms around, you know, kind of it.

1150
00:53:44,013 --> 00:53:46,773
Speaker 16: Is quite patronizing to be asked for it when you're

1151
00:53:46,813 --> 00:53:47,692
Speaker 16: trying to do the right thing.

1152
00:53:47,773 --> 00:53:50,413
Speaker 2: And also you would have to be trusted in so

1153
00:53:50,573 --> 00:53:54,013
Speaker 2: many ways to do your job by your employee employer.

1154
00:53:54,093 --> 00:53:56,173
Speaker 2: They're asking you to do things. They have to trust

1155
00:53:56,293 --> 00:53:58,173
Speaker 2: that you don't just whip the door open in the

1156
00:53:58,213 --> 00:54:00,253
Speaker 2: middle of you know, there's a lot of things that

1157
00:54:00,293 --> 00:54:00,693
Speaker 2: you could do.

1158
00:54:02,293 --> 00:54:05,093
Speaker 16: Yeah, and yeah, there's I mean, look, and there's a

1159
00:54:05,093 --> 00:54:07,293
Speaker 16: bigger picture to it. I mean, if there was, if

1160
00:54:07,293 --> 00:54:10,893
Speaker 16: there was a pattern of sickness, I can I can

1161
00:54:11,013 --> 00:54:13,893
Speaker 16: understand that. But I'm that sort of person. I probably

1162
00:54:13,893 --> 00:54:14,933
Speaker 16: won't take a sick day.

1163
00:54:15,453 --> 00:54:15,613
Speaker 8: You know.

1164
00:54:15,693 --> 00:54:18,293
Speaker 16: It might be every bird or fourth month out of

1165
00:54:18,293 --> 00:54:20,653
Speaker 16: the year that I'll take a sick you know. Or

1166
00:54:21,293 --> 00:54:24,733
Speaker 16: and if i'm really just you know, I've caught something

1167
00:54:24,773 --> 00:54:26,652
Speaker 16: and I'm out for a good week or two.

1168
00:54:27,453 --> 00:54:29,853
Speaker 2: But other than that, Yeah, if you took a mental

1169
00:54:29,853 --> 00:54:32,053
Speaker 2: health day, Lisa, would you say that it was a

1170
00:54:32,093 --> 00:54:32,853
Speaker 2: mental health day?

1171
00:54:34,693 --> 00:54:36,813
Speaker 16: No?

1172
00:54:36,813 --> 00:54:40,493
Speaker 2: No, So you're not honest and trustworthy.

1173
00:54:42,653 --> 00:54:47,493
Speaker 16: No, because because it's the way they that I am managed.

1174
00:54:47,733 --> 00:54:52,652
Speaker 16: If I had a manager that said, hey, look, you know,

1175
00:54:53,133 --> 00:54:56,653
Speaker 16: but I don't and and and we and I feel

1176
00:54:56,653 --> 00:54:57,813
Speaker 16: as I get penalized that.

1177
00:54:58,253 --> 00:55:01,013
Speaker 15: You know, Yeah, I.

1178
00:55:01,093 --> 00:55:02,413
Speaker 3: Don't there's anything wrong with that.

1179
00:55:02,573 --> 00:55:06,692
Speaker 5: I don't know both ways, you know what I mean, day.

1180
00:55:06,613 --> 00:55:08,373
Speaker 3: From there every now and again. But you know, I

1181
00:55:08,493 --> 00:55:09,253
Speaker 3: never had to use that.

1182
00:55:09,853 --> 00:55:12,172
Speaker 2: But you need a skins more than that.

1183
00:55:12,253 --> 00:55:15,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, my nose explodes. But yeah, I can see because

1184
00:55:16,013 --> 00:55:18,733
Speaker 3: there's a taboo that if you are not if whatever's

1185
00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:20,773
Speaker 3: going on and you need a mental health day to

1186
00:55:20,773 --> 00:55:23,653
Speaker 3: get back to zen and get back to some normality,

1187
00:55:23,853 --> 00:55:25,732
Speaker 3: you're not going to be of any use to your

1188
00:55:25,773 --> 00:55:28,493
Speaker 3: place of work. But the truth of the matter is

1189
00:55:28,533 --> 00:55:30,293
Speaker 3: that it is very difficult to say to a lot

1190
00:55:30,333 --> 00:55:32,692
Speaker 3: of bosses, actually, my my, I'm not in a good

1191
00:55:32,693 --> 00:55:34,773
Speaker 3: head space at the moment. So it's far easier to

1192
00:55:34,773 --> 00:55:38,173
Speaker 3: just say I've got the flu, I'm sick, And.

1193
00:55:38,813 --> 00:55:41,373
Speaker 16: To be fair, like, you know, I don't actually want

1194
00:55:41,413 --> 00:55:42,893
Speaker 16: to share that with them. I mean, I don't have

1195
00:55:42,933 --> 00:55:44,333
Speaker 16: to share with them what it is.

1196
00:55:45,573 --> 00:55:46,253
Speaker 15: But even to.

1197
00:55:46,213 --> 00:55:49,373
Speaker 16: Say I'm having a mental health day, I just it's

1198
00:55:49,453 --> 00:55:54,693
Speaker 16: just something. Well, my particular person that manages me, I

1199
00:55:54,733 --> 00:55:57,613
Speaker 16: don't feel comfortable enough to tell that person because of

1200
00:55:57,653 --> 00:55:59,453
Speaker 16: the way just their management style.

1201
00:55:59,493 --> 00:56:02,733
Speaker 2: It just don't Yeah, you know, that's part of the

1202
00:56:02,733 --> 00:56:04,573
Speaker 2: trust thing as well as if you're sick, you're sick

1203
00:56:04,613 --> 00:56:07,573
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, even even it's feeling but mentally sick.

1204
00:56:08,773 --> 00:56:10,533
Speaker 2: I don't think you need to really tell people the

1205
00:56:10,573 --> 00:56:13,013
Speaker 2: exact details. You know, you don't need to ring up

1206
00:56:13,053 --> 00:56:14,533
Speaker 2: and go I've got it coming out of both ends

1207
00:56:14,853 --> 00:56:19,093
Speaker 2: on day one. You know that's kind of private information.

1208
00:56:18,853 --> 00:56:20,333
Speaker 3: If you share that, But no one's going to be

1209
00:56:20,373 --> 00:56:23,133
Speaker 3: asking for a medical certificate that to say, Okay, feel better.

1210
00:56:24,693 --> 00:56:26,253
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much for you call Lisa.

1211
00:56:27,213 --> 00:56:30,373
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, thank you. Yeah, what a great call. Oh

1212
00:56:30,413 --> 00:56:32,893
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1213
00:56:32,933 --> 00:56:35,493
Speaker 3: I you've recently been asked for a medical certificate? Does

1214
00:56:35,533 --> 00:56:37,773
Speaker 3: it make you feel a bit like a child? You

1215
00:56:37,773 --> 00:56:39,733
Speaker 3: feel a bit patronized when you were asked for that?

1216
00:56:39,813 --> 00:56:42,413
Speaker 3: And if you're an employer, how often do you ask

1217
00:56:42,453 --> 00:56:44,133
Speaker 3: your employees for that medical stificate?

1218
00:56:44,213 --> 00:56:47,693
Speaker 2: Are you obsensibly saying I don't believe you by asking

1219
00:56:47,813 --> 00:56:49,333
Speaker 2: for a medical certificate?

1220
00:56:49,373 --> 00:56:50,493
Speaker 3: Twenty five past two.

1221
00:56:54,293 --> 00:56:57,973
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons call OH eight hundred eighty

1222
00:56:58,053 --> 00:56:59,692
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talks.

1223
00:56:59,453 --> 00:57:02,453
Speaker 3: EDB, News Talks EDB having a great chat about sick

1224
00:57:02,573 --> 00:57:06,053
Speaker 3: notes and plenty of texts coming through on nine two ninety.

1225
00:57:05,853 --> 00:57:09,373
Speaker 2: Two afternoons It and Co. It was basically spread by

1226
00:57:09,373 --> 00:57:13,893
Speaker 2: people on airplanes, mainly. It took one to start Andy, Yeah,

1227
00:57:14,293 --> 00:57:17,173
Speaker 2: z it and Co. That's good name for the show.

1228
00:57:17,493 --> 00:57:18,973
Speaker 3: We'll run that up the flag both to see what

1229
00:57:19,013 --> 00:57:19,573
Speaker 3: the bosses say.

1230
00:57:20,013 --> 00:57:22,013
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I pulled a dish on a sickie when

1231
00:57:22,053 --> 00:57:24,213
Speaker 2: I was an apprentice. My boss then asked me for

1232
00:57:24,253 --> 00:57:26,413
Speaker 2: a medical stiff for it, because I'm guessing he knew.

1233
00:57:26,893 --> 00:57:28,693
Speaker 2: I just went to the doctor, told him I ate

1234
00:57:28,733 --> 00:57:33,813
Speaker 2: a bad head ham sandwich and have had bad guts since.

1235
00:57:33,853 --> 00:57:35,813
Speaker 2: He wrote me a note to my boss, and instead

1236
00:57:35,813 --> 00:57:38,253
Speaker 2: of having one day off, I had three. Don't worry,

1237
00:57:38,333 --> 00:57:40,973
Speaker 2: I'm a proper adult now, Cheers Chris. I mean that's

1238
00:57:41,013 --> 00:57:42,533
Speaker 2: the thing as well. I mean you can go to

1239
00:57:42,573 --> 00:57:45,133
Speaker 2: a doctor and describe symptoms and that what are the

1240
00:57:45,173 --> 00:57:47,973
Speaker 2: doctor going to say, you don't have a cold.

1241
00:57:48,333 --> 00:57:50,533
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think there's ever been an occasion where

1242
00:57:50,533 --> 00:57:52,013
Speaker 3: a GP is said no, I'm not going to give

1243
00:57:52,013 --> 00:57:54,293
Speaker 3: you a sick note. Of course they would. It doesn't

1244
00:57:54,333 --> 00:57:55,453
Speaker 3: really matter what you say.

1245
00:57:55,373 --> 00:57:58,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. Is it just the pain in the

1246
00:57:58,773 --> 00:57:59,693
Speaker 2: ass of going.

1247
00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:01,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to go along, and if it's only

1248
00:58:01,733 --> 00:58:03,573
Speaker 3: for one day that you've got off, then it does

1249
00:58:03,573 --> 00:58:05,613
Speaker 3: actually cost you, whatever it is sixty bucks to go

1250
00:58:05,653 --> 00:58:06,493
Speaker 3: see that, GP.

1251
00:58:06,813 --> 00:58:11,413
Speaker 2: Hannah, your thoughts on sick days and sick notes and.

1252
00:58:11,253 --> 00:58:14,893
Speaker 17: Such, so, no thoughts on any of that. What I

1253
00:58:14,933 --> 00:58:16,693
Speaker 17: wanted to share was that I'm pretty sure the way

1254
00:58:16,693 --> 00:58:19,293
Speaker 17: the law is written is that your employer has to

1255
00:58:19,333 --> 00:58:21,933
Speaker 17: pay for the sick note if they're asking for it

1256
00:58:22,053 --> 00:58:23,933
Speaker 17: if it's been less than three days.

1257
00:58:24,413 --> 00:58:26,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I got that wrong way.

1258
00:58:26,813 --> 00:58:29,013
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, so you discribed what did you say before?

1259
00:58:29,133 --> 00:58:31,493
Speaker 3: What I said wrongly that if you're only sick for

1260
00:58:31,533 --> 00:58:34,013
Speaker 3: a day and the employer asks you for a medical certificate,

1261
00:58:34,013 --> 00:58:35,893
Speaker 3: that you pay. But it's the other way around, Hannah,

1262
00:58:35,973 --> 00:58:38,173
Speaker 3: that they will pay if they ask you for one day.

1263
00:58:38,253 --> 00:58:43,213
Speaker 3: If it's longer than three days, then potentially the employee pays.

1264
00:58:44,493 --> 00:58:45,053
Speaker 8: Potentially.

1265
00:58:45,133 --> 00:58:47,093
Speaker 17: I just know that, I think, and I think if

1266
00:58:47,133 --> 00:58:49,533
Speaker 17: the employee were to say, look, i'd love to, but

1267
00:58:49,533 --> 00:58:51,933
Speaker 17: I can't afford the sixty bucks right now, that if

1268
00:58:51,973 --> 00:58:54,493
Speaker 17: the employer would afforce the issue, they would need to

1269
00:58:54,533 --> 00:58:56,413
Speaker 17: stump up the cash for you to do that. GP.

1270
00:58:56,573 --> 00:58:59,813
Speaker 2: Visit Hannah, are you an employee er or employee.

1271
00:59:00,853 --> 00:59:03,493
Speaker 3: I'm actually both no Ah, good person to check to

1272
00:59:03,493 --> 00:59:03,933
Speaker 3: you then.

1273
00:59:04,213 --> 00:59:06,133
Speaker 2: And that and that and that you're in a management role.

1274
00:59:06,973 --> 00:59:09,653
Speaker 17: I mean, what was the no I employ people myself

1275
00:59:09,693 --> 00:59:11,773
Speaker 17: and then I'm also an employee of a company.

1276
00:59:11,973 --> 00:59:14,693
Speaker 2: Ah okay, right, So you're in a unique position to

1277
00:59:14,693 --> 00:59:15,733
Speaker 2: sit on both sides of this.

1278
00:59:16,253 --> 00:59:16,453
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1279
00:59:16,533 --> 00:59:19,413
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think would you ask for a when

1280
00:59:19,453 --> 00:59:22,253
Speaker 2: you ask for a doctor certificate? Have you asked for

1281
00:59:22,333 --> 00:59:22,973
Speaker 2: doctor stificate?

1282
00:59:23,853 --> 00:59:26,213
Speaker 17: I haven't had to. I think if you've got someone

1283
00:59:26,253 --> 00:59:28,333
Speaker 17: that's got a pattern of being sick and you've got

1284
00:59:28,373 --> 00:59:32,493
Speaker 17: questions about whether or not the being truthful, that's a

1285
00:59:32,533 --> 00:59:34,813
Speaker 17: different conversation that you need to have. I think if

1286
00:59:34,813 --> 00:59:36,773
Speaker 17: you're getting to the point where you have to force

1287
00:59:36,813 --> 00:59:39,893
Speaker 17: someone to get a doctor to confirm, it's really easy

1288
00:59:39,893 --> 00:59:42,613
Speaker 17: to get a doctor to confirm and be there's probably

1289
00:59:42,653 --> 00:59:44,853
Speaker 17: something more going on or underlying.

1290
00:59:46,133 --> 00:59:49,733
Speaker 2: And what about the reverse situation? Have you have you

1291
00:59:49,773 --> 00:59:50,333
Speaker 2: been asked?

1292
00:59:51,773 --> 00:59:51,853
Speaker 5: So?

1293
00:59:52,013 --> 00:59:55,493
Speaker 17: I think if I was away, I have provided a

1294
00:59:55,533 --> 00:59:57,933
Speaker 17: medical certificate before, but it was because I was going

1295
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Speaker 17: to I knew I was going to be away for

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Speaker 17: more than three days, and I wanted them to be

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Speaker 17: able to plan, so I organized that as soon as

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Speaker 17: I knew I was going to be off for a

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Speaker 17: little while. It was a few years ago now, and

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01:00:07,373 --> 01:00:09,093
Speaker 17: they would they were good about I think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what did the part of you just go?

1302
01:00:11,533 --> 01:00:15,573
Speaker 2: I've said I'm sick, so I just why don't you

1303
01:00:15,613 --> 01:00:18,933
Speaker 2: believe me? What do I need to go to It's

1304
01:00:18,973 --> 01:00:20,453
Speaker 2: like being a kid having to go to an adult

1305
01:00:20,493 --> 01:00:21,693
Speaker 2: to prove that you're telling the truth.

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Speaker 10: I think a.

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Speaker 17: Fairness, don't like I know that that's what the law

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01:00:25,653 --> 01:00:28,893
Speaker 17: says that after three days you're supposed to provide a certificate.

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Speaker 17: And Amarle followers.

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Speaker 3: On your Hannah. Yeah, and to Hannah's point, thank you

1311
01:00:35,933 --> 01:00:37,733
Speaker 3: very much for you phone call. Hannah, great to chat.

1312
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Speaker 3: But to your point, it's about care, right, It is

1313
01:00:39,933 --> 01:00:42,213
Speaker 3: about if you've got an employer that's coming from a

1314
01:00:42,213 --> 01:00:44,733
Speaker 3: place of care and they front up the money. That's

1315
01:00:44,813 --> 01:00:47,253
Speaker 3: very different to what maybe a lot of people deal with.

1316
01:00:47,493 --> 01:00:50,693
Speaker 3: Is this. It's almost an accusation that are you really sick?

1317
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Speaker 3: And I don't believe you should provide a medical certificate?

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01:00:56,373 --> 01:00:59,693
Speaker 3: Oh she's gone, she's gone, enough of me.

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Speaker 2: It's just a great question. It's such a good question.

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Speaker 3: You too, right, Oh a hundred.

1321
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Speaker 2: Now I get eyezoned out in that question as well.

1322
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he asked.

1323
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Speaker 3: Was a great question. I love to hear your thoughts

1324
01:01:15,333 --> 01:01:18,333
Speaker 3: about medical certificates those full lines. If you can't get through,

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Speaker 3: keep trying. Twenty eight to three.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Gallut. We're talking about sick notes.

1350
01:02:45,613 --> 01:02:47,853
Speaker 3: Does asking for a sick note mean that you do

1351
01:02:47,933 --> 01:02:50,213
Speaker 3: not entrust your employee? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1352
01:02:50,213 --> 01:02:51,093
Speaker 3: eighty is the number.

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01:02:50,853 --> 01:02:55,173
Speaker 2: To call unintended consequences of increasing sickness days from five

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01:02:55,253 --> 01:02:58,773
Speaker 2: to ten, says the text. I've had employees who tap

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01:02:58,853 --> 01:03:01,493
Speaker 2: the entire sick days every year and not a day more.

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01:03:01,733 --> 01:03:05,853
Speaker 2: That's suspicious. That is suspicious because you know it's you're

1357
01:03:05,853 --> 01:03:10,013
Speaker 2: not owed them. Other than and have had three days

1358
01:03:10,013 --> 01:03:12,693
Speaker 2: and fifteen years. Others haven't had three days and fifteen years,

1359
01:03:12,733 --> 01:03:15,093
Speaker 2: never asked for a note, really had to lose bad staff,

1360
01:03:15,133 --> 01:03:19,653
Speaker 2: which then costs everybody more unintended consequences with performance punishment

1361
01:03:19,693 --> 01:03:22,253
Speaker 2: for those picking up the slack.

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01:03:22,453 --> 01:03:26,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyone that uses their full allocation of sick days. Yeah,

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01:03:26,853 --> 01:03:28,333
Speaker 3: definitely asked for a medical certificate.

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01:03:28,653 --> 01:03:31,893
Speaker 2: If let's say three years in a row, someone uses

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01:03:31,973 --> 01:03:38,453
Speaker 2: exactly their amount. Yeah, either they're coming to school to school,

1366
01:03:39,693 --> 01:03:43,493
Speaker 2: either they're coming to school with an illness and they're

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01:03:43,613 --> 01:03:46,573
Speaker 2: sick more than than ten days a year, yeah, or

1368
01:03:47,333 --> 01:03:49,973
Speaker 2: they're taking the piss taking the piss.

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01:03:50,053 --> 01:03:50,213
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighties a number to call.

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Speaker 2: But you've got a few staff.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, mine, I've got about sixty. And you tend to

1373
01:03:58,533 --> 01:04:01,653
Speaker 18: get a feeling for those who are basing the sick

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Speaker 18: days and those who are reliable. Are a couple of

1375
01:04:05,253 --> 01:04:08,173
Speaker 18: lads who both took a day off on the same day.

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01:04:09,333 --> 01:04:12,013
Speaker 18: Unfortunately for them, they were dumb enough to upload their

1377
01:04:12,013 --> 01:04:14,253
Speaker 18: golf scores onto the golfing website, so we knew what

1378
01:04:14,253 --> 01:04:15,173
Speaker 18: they'd actually been doing.

1379
01:04:16,213 --> 01:04:19,693
Speaker 2: Smart man, You did you go to the golfing site

1380
01:04:20,013 --> 01:04:21,933
Speaker 2: because you were suspicious or is.

1381
01:04:21,853 --> 01:04:24,933
Speaker 18: That just one of my other boys who's a keen

1382
01:04:24,933 --> 01:04:27,333
Speaker 18: golfer noticed it and shaded it to me.

1383
01:04:28,133 --> 01:04:32,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a lot of people that will post

1384
01:04:32,093 --> 01:04:34,613
Speaker 2: pictures of them at the beach on their Facebook pages

1385
01:04:34,613 --> 01:04:35,893
Speaker 2: as wells.

1386
01:04:36,133 --> 01:04:37,813
Speaker 3: And what did the boys say when you when you

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01:04:37,893 --> 01:04:40,093
Speaker 3: hit them up and said nice day on the links fellas?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, they were very very contrived, and uh, they're working

1389
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Speaker 18: hard to win my trust back, so I'll give them

1390
01:04:49,453 --> 01:04:49,813
Speaker 18: that much.

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01:04:50,133 --> 01:04:53,653
Speaker 2: So speaking of trust, when you ask for a sick note,

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01:04:53,733 --> 01:04:55,853
Speaker 2: I mean, do you ask for sick notes and a

1393
01:04:55,933 --> 01:04:58,533
Speaker 2: medical certificate? How's that received?

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01:05:00,973 --> 01:05:02,893
Speaker 18: They take it on board. Athough most of the time

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01:05:03,013 --> 01:05:05,053
Speaker 18: we pay for it anyway, because if it's longer than

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01:05:05,133 --> 01:05:08,253
Speaker 18: three days, we fund it the doctors if they can

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01:05:08,453 --> 01:05:12,053
Speaker 18: into one. But honestly, I really only do it when

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01:05:12,053 --> 01:05:14,413
Speaker 18: it's guys I know who are taken the puss and

1399
01:05:14,453 --> 01:05:16,973
Speaker 18: you know who it was. You see the patterns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So a lot of people saying here that whenever

1401
01:05:20,893 --> 01:05:23,813
Speaker 2: they go to the doctor, the doctor will just give

1402
01:05:23,853 --> 01:05:25,493
Speaker 2: them a sick note, you know.

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01:05:26,733 --> 01:05:28,813
Speaker 18: Yeah, you can find your way, so anyone can get

1404
01:05:28,853 --> 01:05:30,333
Speaker 18: a sick note for whatever. You just make it up

1405
01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:32,453
Speaker 18: and the doctor a good one. So it's it's really

1406
01:05:32,533 --> 01:05:35,253
Speaker 18: creating a nuisance factor. Yeah, you're seeing a missions to the.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you know, is it a way of saying, but

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01:05:37,853 --> 01:05:40,573
Speaker 2: it's kind of a way of saying I'm questioning whether

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01:05:40,613 --> 01:05:43,693
Speaker 2: you are actually sick without actually directly saying it. You

1410
01:05:44,293 --> 01:05:45,853
Speaker 2: made I'm sorry. After three days you have to get

1411
01:05:45,853 --> 01:05:47,293
Speaker 2: a sick note. It's kind of a way of saying

1412
01:05:48,693 --> 01:05:49,773
Speaker 2: you're not come to work.

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01:05:50,733 --> 01:05:53,453
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, Yeah, one hundred percent, and

1414
01:05:53,733 --> 01:05:56,373
Speaker 18: start for saying, look, I'm stressed. I actually could do

1415
01:05:56,413 --> 01:05:58,773
Speaker 18: with the mentor day off to start up. Find about it.

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01:05:58,773 --> 01:06:00,813
Speaker 18: You'll probably give it to me after the good stuff.

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01:06:01,173 --> 01:06:04,493
Speaker 2: Yeah. If if one of your employees had a the

1418
01:06:04,533 --> 01:06:06,813
Speaker 2: side of a small planet, would you think that was

1419
01:06:06,853 --> 01:06:08,013
Speaker 2: a good enough reason to stand home.

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01:06:09,213 --> 01:06:11,013
Speaker 18: Oh? Mate, it'll be good enough for everyone else.

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Speaker 3: That would work well for me, Bert, to be honest,

1422
01:06:15,533 --> 01:06:18,413
Speaker 3: Thanks for you called Bert instantly. I think Burt's changed

1423
01:06:18,453 --> 01:06:20,213
Speaker 3: my mind on the medical certificate. It's a great tool

1424
01:06:20,213 --> 01:06:20,813
Speaker 3: for employers.

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Speaker 2: Judith, you're sick of the bs from workers.

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Speaker 9: Oh absolutely, I am, without a doubt. So it got

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01:06:30,653 --> 01:06:34,013
Speaker 9: worse when they increased it from five to ten days,

1428
01:06:35,253 --> 01:06:37,813
Speaker 9: and all of a sudden, now it's just another ten

1429
01:06:37,893 --> 01:06:46,973
Speaker 9: days you and you'll leave. So yeah, and it's and

1430
01:06:47,013 --> 01:06:54,493
Speaker 9: they feel they're entitled. I mean, I've worked for companies

1431
01:06:55,213 --> 01:07:02,573
Speaker 9: on sixty five and I've been an employee for three

1432
01:07:02,693 --> 01:07:08,253
Speaker 9: quarters of that time. And you know, I was a

1433
01:07:08,453 --> 01:07:11,533
Speaker 9: team I used to get up on a Monday morning

1434
01:07:11,573 --> 01:07:14,213
Speaker 9: and think, oh God, it don't want to I just

1435
01:07:14,253 --> 01:07:17,493
Speaker 9: call them stick, you know. And so I've been on

1436
01:07:17,573 --> 01:07:20,773
Speaker 9: the other side of it and I know what's going on,

1437
01:07:20,933 --> 01:07:27,573
Speaker 9: and basically you don't. Yeah, I think the whole problem

1438
01:07:27,733 --> 01:07:31,293
Speaker 9: is the increase of five to ten days.

1439
01:07:33,253 --> 01:07:35,253
Speaker 2: You and yet do you notice, just to go back

1440
01:07:35,293 --> 01:07:37,093
Speaker 2: to your point there about them the Mondays? Do you

1441
01:07:37,533 --> 01:07:40,493
Speaker 2: notice as an employee that there's a lot of sick

1442
01:07:40,573 --> 01:07:45,053
Speaker 2: days on Fridays and Mondays because.

1443
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Speaker 9: We have we have workers that have different different days

1444
01:07:50,573 --> 01:07:55,493
Speaker 9: And definitely it's not necessarily a Monday. For an example,

1445
01:07:56,413 --> 01:08:03,053
Speaker 9: they depending on when their weekend falls, their weekend could

1446
01:08:03,053 --> 01:08:07,493
Speaker 9: be on a Thursday or Friday, and so they'll take

1447
01:08:08,533 --> 01:08:14,813
Speaker 9: a Saturday off. Yeah, so yeah, definitely a yeah.

1448
01:08:15,533 --> 01:08:18,013
Speaker 3: Well, without giving too much well, you can give as

1449
01:08:18,053 --> 01:08:20,333
Speaker 3: much detail as you want, Judith, but but what sort

1450
01:08:20,372 --> 01:08:22,732
Speaker 3: of industry you're in and what sort of age age

1451
01:08:22,773 --> 01:08:25,212
Speaker 3: brackets we're talking about here on the workers that are taking.

1452
01:08:25,013 --> 01:08:29,692
Speaker 9: Them service in the industry and the age bracket are

1453
01:08:30,452 --> 01:08:31,892
Speaker 9: between twenty and thirty.

1454
01:08:33,612 --> 01:08:35,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, and has it got so you mentioned it got

1455
01:08:35,893 --> 01:08:39,092
Speaker 3: worse since they increased the sick days, but was clearly

1456
01:08:39,133 --> 01:08:42,813
Speaker 3: absolutely yea, but clearly before that they were still utilizing

1457
01:08:42,812 --> 01:08:44,692
Speaker 3: their their five days per year anywhere.

1458
01:08:45,612 --> 01:08:49,093
Speaker 9: Yeah, they were, but only five days a year. Now

1459
01:08:49,133 --> 01:08:50,652
Speaker 9: they're using ten days a year.

1460
01:08:52,093 --> 01:08:53,852
Speaker 2: Do you do you because a lot of people are

1461
01:08:53,853 --> 01:08:57,973
Speaker 2: texting here saying that that their mothers or parents and

1462
01:08:58,213 --> 01:09:00,852
Speaker 2: that they have to use their sick days for their

1463
01:09:00,933 --> 01:09:04,652
Speaker 2: for their children, do you have more leniency on that?

1464
01:09:04,572 --> 01:09:07,892
Speaker 9: That's what I'm absolutely fine with that I have.

1465
01:09:08,692 --> 01:09:09,093
Speaker 12: I have.

1466
01:09:11,652 --> 01:09:19,253
Speaker 9: Children with grandchildren. I have grandchildren and they both they

1467
01:09:19,293 --> 01:09:24,053
Speaker 9: both work, so they when their kids are sick, they

1468
01:09:24,093 --> 01:09:25,892
Speaker 9: definitely need to take time off for that.

1469
01:09:27,933 --> 01:09:30,692
Speaker 3: It is an interesting one, Judith. I mean, instantly I'm

1470
01:09:30,732 --> 01:09:34,013
Speaker 3: thinking about those without children, But if they're taking the

1471
01:09:34,053 --> 01:09:36,293
Speaker 3: mick and they're not sick, that's very different. I get it.

1472
01:09:36,293 --> 01:09:38,772
Speaker 3: You've got to look after your family and if someone

1473
01:09:38,812 --> 01:09:40,293
Speaker 3: in the family's sick, I understand that.

1474
01:09:40,412 --> 01:09:42,093
Speaker 2: So what you're saying, Tyler is, as a person that

1475
01:09:42,133 --> 01:09:44,492
Speaker 2: doesn't have children, you don't want to cover for someone

1476
01:09:44,492 --> 01:09:45,972
Speaker 2: that's taking a sick day for their kids.

1477
01:09:46,053 --> 01:09:47,293
Speaker 3: I think there'd be a feeling out there.

1478
01:09:47,333 --> 01:09:50,412
Speaker 9: Absolutely No, No, I'm not saying that at all. I

1479
01:09:50,532 --> 01:09:54,293
Speaker 9: think I think people that go to work and have

1480
01:09:54,452 --> 01:09:58,133
Speaker 9: to either put their kids in daycare and they can't

1481
01:09:58,173 --> 01:10:01,253
Speaker 9: get their kids in daycare because they're sick, they need

1482
01:10:01,293 --> 01:10:04,173
Speaker 9: to take that sickly. And you're entitled to do that.

1483
01:10:04,933 --> 01:10:07,253
Speaker 3: But what about the workers who don't have children that

1484
01:10:07,253 --> 01:10:09,492
Speaker 3: pick up the slack? Judith, you know that. I'm just

1485
01:10:09,572 --> 01:10:11,372
Speaker 3: saying that because I know the feeling is out there.

1486
01:10:11,412 --> 01:10:14,772
Speaker 3: Sometimes maybe not resentment is a little bit too strong,

1487
01:10:14,812 --> 01:10:16,812
Speaker 3: But I know there's a lot of people who feel

1488
01:10:16,812 --> 01:10:18,892
Speaker 3: that way that hey, just because I don't have kids,

1489
01:10:18,933 --> 01:10:21,612
Speaker 3: I've got to pick up the slack because their child's crop.

1490
01:10:22,812 --> 01:10:24,852
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I mean at the end of the day,

1491
01:10:25,372 --> 01:10:28,972
Speaker 9: when you look at your employment contract, it's it's about

1492
01:10:29,053 --> 01:10:33,652
Speaker 9: you having a number of six days, and it's not

1493
01:10:34,253 --> 01:10:39,013
Speaker 9: it's not a given, it's not an entitlement. I mean

1494
01:10:39,013 --> 01:10:44,732
Speaker 9: your annually in your days and leaves are your sick

1495
01:10:44,893 --> 01:10:54,813
Speaker 9: leave is given to you as as a as a.

1496
01:10:53,053 --> 01:10:54,452
Speaker 3: Life it's a trust.

1497
01:10:55,093 --> 01:10:58,772
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, it's a freeb I mean I had I

1498
01:10:58,812 --> 01:11:05,732
Speaker 9: had an accident recently where I was crushed under a

1499
01:11:05,772 --> 01:11:09,013
Speaker 9: farm vehicle. Jeez, and you know what, Yeah, it was

1500
01:11:09,093 --> 01:11:09,612
Speaker 9: pretty bad.

1501
01:11:09,652 --> 01:11:11,213
Speaker 2: What kind of farm vehicle was it? Judah?

1502
01:11:11,812 --> 01:11:18,892
Speaker 9: A cyber side? What a Yamaha rhino? Yeah, yeah, a

1503
01:11:18,933 --> 01:11:24,852
Speaker 9: cyber side. And my injuries were pretty severe and I

1504
01:11:24,973 --> 01:11:28,892
Speaker 9: went on acc for two weeks because I just felt

1505
01:11:28,933 --> 01:11:33,532
Speaker 9: really guilty about taking any more time off. Yeah, you know,

1506
01:11:34,333 --> 01:11:40,652
Speaker 9: and and the guilt's gone. That's the problem that gold

1507
01:11:40,772 --> 01:11:46,452
Speaker 9: has gone. Everybody thinks that this is their entitlement. Well, actually, sickly,

1508
01:11:46,532 --> 01:11:47,893
Speaker 9: it was not an entitlement.

1509
01:11:48,412 --> 01:11:51,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a gift. Yeah, I see what we're saying. Yeah,

1510
01:11:51,293 --> 01:11:55,213
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's it's mercy, it's a it's

1511
01:11:55,293 --> 01:11:58,013
Speaker 2: a lure to try and help people that really need it.

1512
01:11:58,053 --> 01:12:00,053
Speaker 2: But if you're always taking it and you think, oh,

1513
01:12:00,093 --> 01:12:02,812
Speaker 2: that's extra holidays, and that's not great. So how did this?

1514
01:12:03,173 --> 01:12:07,173
Speaker 2: What happened with the I'm just curious? So were you

1515
01:12:07,253 --> 01:12:08,852
Speaker 2: driving in it? Old on you?

1516
01:12:09,893 --> 01:12:10,772
Speaker 9: Yeah? I rolled it?

1517
01:12:10,853 --> 01:12:11,013
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1518
01:12:11,772 --> 01:12:12,052
Speaker 2: Wow?

1519
01:12:12,412 --> 01:12:15,932
Speaker 9: Yeah, full noise yeah yeah no, no, no, no. I

1520
01:12:15,973 --> 01:12:19,852
Speaker 9: was storing about three k an hour and my husband

1521
01:12:20,013 --> 01:12:22,732
Speaker 9: was opening a gate but it caught a log in

1522
01:12:22,732 --> 01:12:26,772
Speaker 9: the paddock and it just rolled over and my head

1523
01:12:26,812 --> 01:12:31,652
Speaker 9: got caught I've got almin sorry titanium eye sock it.

1524
01:12:32,013 --> 01:12:36,572
Speaker 9: Oh and I'm good and it was two and a

1525
01:12:36,612 --> 01:12:37,412
Speaker 9: half years ago.

1526
01:12:37,652 --> 01:12:40,212
Speaker 2: Okay, well, oh yeah, I'm glad.

1527
01:12:39,973 --> 01:12:41,173
Speaker 9: You feel thank you to be here.

1528
01:12:41,333 --> 01:12:43,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you survived that one, Judith, And thank

1529
01:12:43,333 --> 01:12:45,053
Speaker 2: you so much for for ringing us.

1530
01:12:45,173 --> 01:12:48,092
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. Jud have a great afternoon.

1531
01:12:48,933 --> 01:12:50,772
Speaker 3: And eighty ten eighty is the number.

1532
01:12:50,572 --> 01:12:52,933
Speaker 2: To call this Texas says is it and Matt I

1533
01:12:52,973 --> 01:12:55,692
Speaker 2: recently had to have two working weeks off. I only

1534
01:12:55,732 --> 01:12:58,173
Speaker 2: had four days six leave left in my calendar year,

1535
01:12:58,253 --> 01:13:00,652
Speaker 2: so lost six days pace. Still had to get a

1536
01:13:00,692 --> 01:13:03,692
Speaker 2: doctor's certificate and fork out for it. A week after

1537
01:13:03,732 --> 01:13:07,452
Speaker 2: coming back. I checked in every day too. That sucked. Yes,

1538
01:13:07,612 --> 01:13:08,012
Speaker 2: is done?

1539
01:13:08,452 --> 01:13:11,292
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, that's the word for it. It is fourteen

1540
01:13:11,372 --> 01:13:11,732
Speaker 3: to three.

1541
01:13:11,853 --> 01:13:16,412
Speaker 1: Beg very surely, mad Heath Taylor Adams with you as

1542
01:13:16,452 --> 01:13:20,972
Speaker 1: your afternoon rolls on mad Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

1543
01:13:20,973 --> 01:13:23,572
Speaker 3: They'd be eleven to three.

1544
01:13:24,013 --> 01:13:28,972
Speaker 2: Peter, sorry, beg your pardon cough, then maybe I'm sick, Peter,

1545
01:13:29,372 --> 01:13:30,612
Speaker 2: welcome the show. You're an employee.

1546
01:13:31,973 --> 01:13:35,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, until very recently I was an employer and

1547
01:13:35,093 --> 01:13:38,372
Speaker 4: an employee and I'm talking about only a matter of

1548
01:13:38,412 --> 01:13:40,732
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks. And I called because I thought

1549
01:13:40,732 --> 01:13:45,572
Speaker 4: you have views on requesting its medical certificate with single

1550
01:13:45,772 --> 01:13:49,253
Speaker 4: days and sickly were a bit simplistic. So I have

1551
01:13:49,333 --> 01:13:53,053
Speaker 4: a couple of cases that I experienced. So I had

1552
01:13:53,053 --> 01:13:57,493
Speaker 4: a staff member who was always sacked on Fridays on Mondays,

1553
01:13:58,652 --> 01:14:01,132
Speaker 4: and I found out that that staff member was actually

1554
01:14:01,492 --> 01:14:04,973
Speaker 4: more likely hangover than sick. So I asked for a

1555
01:14:04,973 --> 01:14:08,732
Speaker 4: medical certificate. And you know, the last couple of callers

1556
01:14:08,732 --> 01:14:11,173
Speaker 4: have actually changed probably the tone of the whole conversation

1557
01:14:11,253 --> 01:14:15,652
Speaker 4: a bit. But asking from medical certificate is really a

1558
01:14:15,652 --> 01:14:20,012
Speaker 4: way of trying to discourage people from calling him CROC

1559
01:14:20,093 --> 01:14:25,692
Speaker 4: when they're not. And I had another staff member who

1560
01:14:26,133 --> 01:14:30,973
Speaker 4: used up all their sick leaf, and my organization had

1561
01:14:30,973 --> 01:14:34,213
Speaker 4: a sickly bank which you could go to with your

1562
01:14:34,253 --> 01:14:36,972
Speaker 4: manager's support if you used up all your sick leaf,

1563
01:14:38,253 --> 01:14:40,333
Speaker 4: and this staff member I knew was taking the mickey,

1564
01:14:40,333 --> 01:14:43,932
Speaker 4: so I didn't support this person using the sickly bank.

1565
01:14:44,053 --> 01:14:47,173
Speaker 4: So the ruling was, no, you'll have to take annual

1566
01:14:47,213 --> 01:14:50,612
Speaker 4: EVE when you CROC. I always applied to very much

1567
01:14:50,652 --> 01:14:54,812
Speaker 4: a personal Each staff member was different, so the rules

1568
01:14:54,812 --> 01:14:58,253
Speaker 4: were different from person to person. Some people think that's unfair,

1569
01:14:58,293 --> 01:15:02,812
Speaker 4: but everyone's different. For instance, I had female employees who

1570
01:15:02,933 --> 01:15:08,452
Speaker 4: had terrible menstrual cycles, and I fully understood that they

1571
01:15:08,492 --> 01:15:10,372
Speaker 4: were unable to come to work. I was quite heavy

1572
01:15:10,372 --> 01:15:13,253
Speaker 4: with that, but they could take a day sickly that

1573
01:15:13,333 --> 01:15:14,533
Speaker 4: that was no issue.

1574
01:15:15,532 --> 01:15:20,333
Speaker 2: When you say that, you know, so each employees different.

1575
01:15:21,013 --> 01:15:24,213
Speaker 2: If someone is taking sick days and you're and you're suspicious,

1576
01:15:24,452 --> 01:15:28,652
Speaker 2: and you're asking for a medical certificate, that's got to

1577
01:15:28,652 --> 01:15:31,012
Speaker 2: be career limiting for them, right. So at the same

1578
01:15:31,013 --> 01:15:33,692
Speaker 2: time as you're asking for the certificate, you're logging in

1579
01:15:33,732 --> 01:15:35,733
Speaker 2: your mind that this person is dishonest.

1580
01:15:37,093 --> 01:15:40,372
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, they can not trust really yeah.

1581
01:15:40,732 --> 01:15:43,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're unlikely to be higher honors.

1582
01:15:44,612 --> 01:15:48,293
Speaker 4: Well, they could get them, but there is something wrong

1583
01:15:48,333 --> 01:15:48,812
Speaker 4: with the stuff.

1584
01:15:48,893 --> 01:15:49,013
Speaker 8: Men.

1585
01:15:49,053 --> 01:15:51,572
Speaker 4: But who is constantly taking sick leave when you know

1586
01:15:51,612 --> 01:15:54,213
Speaker 4: they're not sick? I mean, you know general, you know,

1587
01:15:54,492 --> 01:15:58,133
Speaker 4: genuinely when someone is sick. You know, if I thought

1588
01:15:58,173 --> 01:16:01,133
Speaker 4: someone was genuinely sick, I would touch base with them

1589
01:16:01,173 --> 01:16:03,092
Speaker 4: just to say that they're okay, because I cared about

1590
01:16:03,093 --> 01:16:06,732
Speaker 4: my staff. And you know, I mean often when someone's

1591
01:16:06,732 --> 01:16:08,972
Speaker 4: sick is a build up, so and you know they're

1592
01:16:08,973 --> 01:16:11,253
Speaker 4: not well, or they come back to work and you

1593
01:16:11,293 --> 01:16:12,972
Speaker 4: know they're not one hundred percent, but they've come back

1594
01:16:12,973 --> 01:16:15,772
Speaker 4: to work. Yeah. But like some of your previous callers

1595
01:16:15,812 --> 01:16:19,093
Speaker 4: and said, we would pay if we asked for a

1596
01:16:19,093 --> 01:16:22,412
Speaker 4: medical certificate, we would pay for their doctor's visit to

1597
01:16:22,452 --> 01:16:27,092
Speaker 4: get their medical certificates. But I've been asked for medical certificates.

1598
01:16:27,412 --> 01:16:29,812
Speaker 4: And the only time I actually have ever beat off

1599
01:16:29,893 --> 01:16:33,652
Speaker 4: work sick was following surgeries, and we would I was

1600
01:16:33,692 --> 01:16:37,452
Speaker 4: asked for a medical certificate to cover my employer in

1601
01:16:37,572 --> 01:16:40,452
Speaker 4: terms of my rehabilitation and the clearest to come back

1602
01:16:40,452 --> 01:16:40,812
Speaker 4: to work.

1603
01:16:41,333 --> 01:16:44,053
Speaker 2: I see, right, So you're not questioning you just as

1604
01:16:44,213 --> 01:16:46,933
Speaker 2: a sort of an administration issue. I mean you know

1605
01:16:46,973 --> 01:16:50,052
Speaker 2: that that's I mean that obviously, Yeah, that's obviously fine.

1606
01:16:50,133 --> 01:16:53,492
Speaker 2: You know that's not someone saying that you're dishonest. But hey,

1607
01:16:54,013 --> 01:16:56,293
Speaker 2: that's another thing, Peter, that you bring up that that

1608
01:16:56,893 --> 01:16:58,572
Speaker 2: a lot of people that are texting and don't understand

1609
01:16:58,652 --> 01:17:02,333
Speaker 2: is most employers actually care about their staff and and

1610
01:17:02,812 --> 01:17:05,253
Speaker 2: you actually if they you, if you were really sick,

1611
01:17:05,372 --> 01:17:08,053
Speaker 2: then they would, you know, want to help in any

1612
01:17:08,053 --> 01:17:11,133
Speaker 2: way they can. It's a rare employer that's just an

1613
01:17:11,173 --> 01:17:15,492
Speaker 2: absolute a whole that will force some of the work

1614
01:17:15,532 --> 01:17:18,372
Speaker 2: when they're sick. You know, I I don't know if

1615
01:17:19,372 --> 01:17:20,612
Speaker 2: I like.

1616
01:17:20,612 --> 01:17:22,973
Speaker 4: The discussion with one of the previous callers, and you

1617
01:17:23,053 --> 01:17:25,572
Speaker 4: hope it might be unfair, but the rules are different

1618
01:17:25,572 --> 01:17:27,852
Speaker 4: for different people. That's the way it is. And if

1619
01:17:27,853 --> 01:17:29,892
Speaker 4: they've got children, use to rules are different.

1620
01:17:30,093 --> 01:17:31,973
Speaker 1: Yep, enough children.

1621
01:17:31,853 --> 01:17:34,852
Speaker 4: And if someone hasn't got children, and fields that have

1622
01:17:34,933 --> 01:17:36,812
Speaker 4: put out about it, well there's a solution.

1623
01:17:37,492 --> 01:17:37,972
Speaker 5: Have a kid.

1624
01:17:38,372 --> 01:17:41,173
Speaker 4: I mean you have the same rules apply on Christmas Day.

1625
01:17:41,213 --> 01:17:43,612
Speaker 4: So we're in a shift work organization. We work seven

1626
01:17:43,692 --> 01:17:46,492
Speaker 4: days a week, and you know people with children got

1627
01:17:46,812 --> 01:17:49,293
Speaker 4: setting ours off on Christmas Day and people that children didn't.

1628
01:17:49,412 --> 01:17:51,892
Speaker 3: So yeah, you sound like a good boss, Peter, Thank

1629
01:17:51,933 --> 01:17:53,652
Speaker 3: you very much. So we've got to play some messages,

1630
01:17:53,652 --> 01:17:56,173
Speaker 3: but appreciate your call. It is seven to three.

1631
01:17:56,452 --> 01:17:58,852
Speaker 2: Tyler thinks it's unfair that women get to take time

1632
01:17:58,933 --> 01:18:03,093
Speaker 2: off with their mental cycles and he doesn't have them.

1633
01:18:03,253 --> 01:18:04,612
Speaker 2: He's just let me saying that.

1634
01:18:07,133 --> 01:18:09,293
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you you and a bit of

1635
01:18:09,333 --> 01:18:13,372
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons us talk,

1636
01:18:13,452 --> 01:18:13,892
Speaker 1: sa'd be.

1637
01:18:15,732 --> 01:18:16,693
Speaker 3: Four to three.

1638
01:18:17,133 --> 01:18:19,333
Speaker 2: Just to clarify It says this text. When a medical

1639
01:18:19,372 --> 01:18:22,133
Speaker 2: certificate is required one three or more consecutive calendar days

1640
01:18:22,173 --> 01:18:25,892
Speaker 2: of sickness. The count includes weekends, even if not scheduled

1641
01:18:25,893 --> 01:18:29,092
Speaker 2: work days. If you're sick for three plus consecutive calendar days,

1642
01:18:29,133 --> 01:18:31,812
Speaker 2: your employee may require proof and you must pay for

1643
01:18:31,853 --> 01:18:36,052
Speaker 2: the certificate yourself. Two fewer than three consecutive days of sickness,

1644
01:18:36,093 --> 01:18:39,293
Speaker 2: the employer may still request proof, but must reimburse you

1645
01:18:39,372 --> 01:18:42,692
Speaker 2: for reasonable costs. The g GP visit telehealth pharmacy consultant.

1646
01:18:42,933 --> 01:18:45,333
Speaker 2: If they advise you early of this requirement. There you go.

1647
01:18:45,412 --> 01:18:46,972
Speaker 2: So that clarifies that.

1648
01:18:46,973 --> 01:18:49,653
Speaker 3: That sorts that one out. And what a great conversation.

1649
01:18:49,853 --> 01:18:52,732
Speaker 3: Thank you to everybody who phoned and text on that one.

1650
01:18:52,973 --> 01:18:56,293
Speaker 3: Really enjoyed that. Right coming up after three o'clock. How

1651
01:18:56,293 --> 01:19:00,132
Speaker 3: did your little miracle come into this world? Fantastic story

1652
01:19:00,173 --> 01:19:03,452
Speaker 3: by Bundy Aki about his but how his baby came

1653
01:19:03,452 --> 01:19:04,812
Speaker 3: into this world. It was born in the back of

1654
01:19:04,812 --> 01:19:07,133
Speaker 3: a car. But will take him more very shortly. News

1655
01:19:07,133 --> 01:19:08,213
Speaker 3: Sporting Weather on its way.

1656
01:19:08,452 --> 01:19:10,212
Speaker 2: Tyler's nose might be about to give birth.

1657
01:19:12,133 --> 01:19:16,492
Speaker 1: Your new home for insateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1658
01:19:16,692 --> 01:19:19,972
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

1659
01:19:19,893 --> 01:19:24,093
Speaker 3: Sebby afternoon it is six past three. Just before we

1660
01:19:24,173 --> 01:19:28,652
Speaker 3: get to our next topic, something glorious just happened. So

1661
01:19:29,053 --> 01:19:31,532
Speaker 3: Matt has been having a good old laugh about the

1662
01:19:31,532 --> 01:19:34,293
Speaker 3: big old pimple on my nose all afternoon, and we've

1663
01:19:34,293 --> 01:19:36,053
Speaker 3: all had a bit of a giggle, haven't we. But

1664
01:19:36,973 --> 01:19:38,933
Speaker 3: just as we went to stand up and go to

1665
01:19:38,973 --> 01:19:39,812
Speaker 3: the loo and go get.

1666
01:19:39,652 --> 01:19:41,492
Speaker 2: A cup of coffee, I think we need to share this.

1667
01:19:41,652 --> 01:19:44,732
Speaker 3: Yes, we absolutely do. So Matt stands up and he

1668
01:19:44,812 --> 01:19:46,772
Speaker 3: walks towards the door. It is I do you know.

1669
01:19:46,853 --> 01:19:48,732
Speaker 3: I just just have a wee look behind and he's

1670
01:19:48,732 --> 01:19:52,772
Speaker 3: got a big old fragile sticker right on his butt cheek.

1671
01:19:53,293 --> 01:19:56,412
Speaker 3: I mean not the bare ass obviously, but so you.

1672
01:19:56,572 --> 01:19:58,053
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just some kind of camera at

1673
01:19:58,053 --> 01:20:02,133
Speaker 2: play here. So someone has stuck a fragile sticker on

1674
01:20:02,173 --> 01:20:04,093
Speaker 2: my butt and not walking past. So I've been walking

1675
01:20:04,093 --> 01:20:06,492
Speaker 2: around all day and people have been laughing at me

1676
01:20:06,612 --> 01:20:08,253
Speaker 2: for having the sticker on my butt.

1677
01:20:08,532 --> 01:20:10,932
Speaker 3: I know who it was, as well, you do as

1678
01:20:10,973 --> 01:20:11,972
Speaker 3: well done to that person.

1679
01:20:12,093 --> 01:20:16,612
Speaker 2: I was visiting Radio Hurdeki before and there was fragile

1680
01:20:16,652 --> 01:20:21,532
Speaker 2: stickers on the postage going out. So Kate Britain from

1681
01:20:21,732 --> 01:20:24,732
Speaker 2: Radio Headache has slapped a fragile sticker on my buck

1682
01:20:24,853 --> 01:20:26,372
Speaker 2: and I've walked around all day. I think that's I'm

1683
01:20:26,372 --> 01:20:27,132
Speaker 2: taking that teach.

1684
01:20:26,973 --> 01:20:30,213
Speaker 3: Out, Kate. I owe you a wine. This is a glorious,

1685
01:20:30,213 --> 01:20:33,732
Speaker 3: glorious moment. Well done, and yeah, mate, say that all

1686
01:20:33,772 --> 01:20:34,412
Speaker 3: is right in the world.

1687
01:20:34,452 --> 01:20:36,213
Speaker 2: That's how humanly I did. I feel about that the

1688
01:20:36,253 --> 01:20:38,173
Speaker 2: whole day. I'll be walking around and no one said

1689
01:20:38,173 --> 01:20:43,093
Speaker 2: anything till you said anything. Yes, yes, just why is

1690
01:20:43,133 --> 01:20:44,932
Speaker 2: it embarrassing? Who cares if you got a fragile sticker

1691
01:20:44,973 --> 01:20:46,372
Speaker 2: on your But it's not even true, my but doesn't

1692
01:20:46,412 --> 01:20:46,972
Speaker 2: even fragile.

1693
01:20:47,213 --> 01:20:49,853
Speaker 3: It's pretty rock solid, pretty rock solid.

1694
01:20:49,692 --> 01:20:52,772
Speaker 2: Pretty good good. I still think it's less embarrassing than

1695
01:20:52,812 --> 01:20:55,132
Speaker 2: the facial traffic cone that you're running.

1696
01:20:55,612 --> 01:20:57,612
Speaker 3: I don't know, nine two nine two What do you reckon?

1697
01:20:58,093 --> 01:21:00,892
Speaker 2: Wayne Brown would hate you with that road cone on

1698
01:21:00,933 --> 01:21:01,333
Speaker 2: your nose?

1699
01:21:01,732 --> 01:21:02,972
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred road cone?

1700
01:21:03,812 --> 01:21:04,012
Speaker 4: Right?

1701
01:21:04,093 --> 01:21:05,812
Speaker 2: This is the skinner's crying for out.

1702
01:21:06,372 --> 01:21:08,772
Speaker 3: This is gonna be a great chat. So this was

1703
01:21:08,772 --> 01:21:11,092
Speaker 3: a lovely story. A should be British and Irish Lions

1704
01:21:11,173 --> 01:21:15,892
Speaker 3: midfielder Bundy Archie. He is excited to meet his new daughter,

1705
01:21:15,933 --> 01:21:17,892
Speaker 3: who was born in the back of a car where

1706
01:21:17,933 --> 01:21:20,532
Speaker 3: he was preparing for a test. So Kie let it

1707
01:21:20,612 --> 01:21:23,213
Speaker 3: slipper in an interview recently that he was preparing for

1708
01:21:23,253 --> 01:21:25,933
Speaker 3: the opening Test against Australia when his wife message to

1709
01:21:25,973 --> 01:21:28,133
Speaker 3: say they were on the way to hospital. He's a

1710
01:21:28,173 --> 01:21:29,012
Speaker 3: little bit of what he see.

1711
01:21:29,173 --> 01:21:31,772
Speaker 19: I want to enjoy my break, enjoy my family time.

1712
01:21:33,173 --> 01:21:35,293
Speaker 19: I have a newborn child which I haven't met yet,

1713
01:21:35,772 --> 01:21:39,213
Speaker 19: a girl girl. So he was born in Brisbe when

1714
01:21:39,253 --> 01:21:41,013
Speaker 19: we were plagued, and you've been in the prison.

1715
01:21:40,973 --> 01:21:42,293
Speaker 3: So I hadn't I met her.

1716
01:21:42,293 --> 01:21:44,013
Speaker 19: And then's an So I'm looking forward to go and

1717
01:21:44,093 --> 01:21:46,213
Speaker 19: meet with my newborn child. And I knew were like

1718
01:21:46,412 --> 01:21:48,372
Speaker 19: overdrew and list has caused me. And she's like, oh

1719
01:21:48,412 --> 01:21:50,333
Speaker 19: he bought her, had birthen but goes to the hospital,

1720
01:21:50,333 --> 01:21:52,213
Speaker 19: book in contract with the affair enough and goes to

1721
01:21:52,213 --> 01:21:52,572
Speaker 19: the hospital.

1722
01:21:52,612 --> 01:21:54,852
Speaker 3: So we're getting really forty to you meeting. She afoored

1723
01:21:54,853 --> 01:21:56,692
Speaker 3: me from the way to the hospital. So fine.

1724
01:21:57,173 --> 01:21:59,333
Speaker 19: Five minutes later she she's a photo her water broth.

1725
01:21:59,333 --> 01:22:01,772
Speaker 19: I was like, okay, cool man, all right, he almost

1726
01:22:01,772 --> 01:22:03,732
Speaker 19: did something. Thirty to forty minutes away from the hospital.

1727
01:22:04,173 --> 01:22:07,572
Speaker 19: I was like he'll be all right. Month's driving Taman's

1728
01:22:07,612 --> 01:22:09,892
Speaker 19: leadership video and I was like, I won't.

1729
01:22:12,572 --> 01:22:12,892
Speaker 8: The video.

1730
01:22:12,893 --> 01:22:14,972
Speaker 3: Of course she had to look out on the way to.

1731
01:22:16,933 --> 01:22:17,412
Speaker 1: So she had.

1732
01:22:17,412 --> 01:22:20,772
Speaker 19: They both have strong and healthy so happy.

1733
01:22:21,572 --> 01:22:24,892
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness that the baby is healthy. That must

1734
01:22:24,933 --> 01:22:30,173
Speaker 2: have been quite an experience. Yeah, so you know, we're interested, really,

1735
01:22:31,133 --> 01:22:34,412
Speaker 2: you know, we want to discuss how the interesting way

1736
01:22:34,492 --> 01:22:37,173
Speaker 2: your little miracles came into the world out there, because

1737
01:22:37,213 --> 01:22:40,013
Speaker 2: they when they sometimes when they need to come, they

1738
01:22:40,053 --> 01:22:43,173
Speaker 2: just come. You know, sometimes they refuse to pop out.

1739
01:22:43,293 --> 01:22:46,133
Speaker 2: Then sometimes they just come. But it's sort of wide

1740
01:22:46,133 --> 01:22:48,372
Speaker 2: a question here because his his wife here was over

1741
01:22:48,452 --> 01:22:51,293
Speaker 2: Jew as he said, as he said, it was a

1742
01:22:51,293 --> 01:22:53,572
Speaker 2: good day. I was in the team hotel. I knew

1743
01:22:53,572 --> 01:22:56,093
Speaker 2: we were over Jew. The missus calls me, She's like,

1744
01:22:56,253 --> 01:22:58,412
Speaker 2: my water hasn't broken, but I'm going to hospital. I'm

1745
01:22:58,412 --> 01:23:02,732
Speaker 2: feeling contractions. So from from the father's point of view,

1746
01:23:03,133 --> 01:23:07,573
Speaker 2: if the if the mother is over Jew, is that.

1747
01:23:07,652 --> 01:23:10,732
Speaker 3: When you go away work, it's very brave thing to do.

1748
01:23:10,973 --> 01:23:15,213
Speaker 2: Or are you expected to stay around, you know, to

1749
01:23:15,293 --> 01:23:17,372
Speaker 2: support I mean his mother was there, so you know,

1750
01:23:17,532 --> 01:23:20,333
Speaker 2: maybe to trust his mother. But I was around for

1751
01:23:20,333 --> 01:23:21,812
Speaker 2: both my children being born.

1752
01:23:22,093 --> 01:23:23,173
Speaker 3: Were they early or late?

1753
01:23:24,293 --> 01:23:26,892
Speaker 2: I think they were both. One was about on time

1754
01:23:26,933 --> 01:23:28,933
Speaker 2: and one was just a couple of weeks, about a

1755
01:23:28,933 --> 01:23:32,892
Speaker 2: week late. Yeah, they's yeah, But yeah, I mean are

1756
01:23:32,933 --> 01:23:35,372
Speaker 2: you supposed to be around? Are you? You know, because

1757
01:23:35,412 --> 01:23:38,972
Speaker 2: more and more, you know, international sports, professional sports, people

1758
01:23:39,013 --> 01:23:40,852
Speaker 2: will will take time off, won't they.

1759
01:23:40,893 --> 01:23:41,453
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1760
01:23:41,492 --> 01:23:43,452
Speaker 2: But back back in the day, if an All Black,

1761
01:23:43,572 --> 01:23:48,293
Speaker 2: for example, took time off for their maternity leave, people

1762
01:23:48,452 --> 01:23:51,173
Speaker 2: used to scoff and go wheezy commitment to the team.

1763
01:23:52,053 --> 01:23:56,532
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, if you're I know, I think

1764
01:23:56,572 --> 01:23:58,052
Speaker 2: once you're over to you you've got to stick around,

1765
01:23:58,093 --> 01:24:00,412
Speaker 2: don't You got to be there. It's the support person.

1766
01:24:00,532 --> 01:24:02,772
Speaker 3: I know a lot of it's not that you're very.

1767
01:24:02,612 --> 01:24:04,133
Speaker 2: Necessarily very popular at the time, but.

1768
01:24:04,133 --> 01:24:06,492
Speaker 3: You've got to be there. I know a lot of

1769
01:24:06,492 --> 01:24:09,812
Speaker 3: fathers to be there actually take a week off around

1770
01:24:09,853 --> 01:24:12,812
Speaker 3: about the dude time because they don't want to miss it.

1771
01:24:12,853 --> 01:24:15,053
Speaker 3: Probably there's a bit of pressure from the mum that

1772
01:24:15,133 --> 01:24:16,972
Speaker 3: she's going through a bit of stuff at that moment,

1773
01:24:17,412 --> 01:24:19,852
Speaker 3: and gives the hard word and said, don't you be

1774
01:24:19,893 --> 01:24:22,092
Speaker 3: going to work. I need you around in case something goes,

1775
01:24:22,213 --> 01:24:25,093
Speaker 3: you know, the water breaks and the baby's coming but

1776
01:24:25,133 --> 01:24:29,093
Speaker 3: for Aki to just fly the coop. Yeah, man, it's

1777
01:24:29,093 --> 01:24:30,492
Speaker 3: a hell of a thing for him to do. And

1778
01:24:30,532 --> 01:24:32,532
Speaker 3: he's still yet to come home to see, says beautiful

1779
01:24:32,532 --> 01:24:32,972
Speaker 3: wee daughter.

1780
01:24:33,133 --> 01:24:36,532
Speaker 2: Same mothers eight hundred and eighty ten eighty people that

1781
01:24:36,612 --> 01:24:40,412
Speaker 2: have been mothers, people that have bought the little miracle

1782
01:24:40,412 --> 01:24:44,172
Speaker 2: into the world. Did you expect your husband to be around?

1783
01:24:44,933 --> 01:24:47,412
Speaker 2: Did you? Or was your husband not around? Did that

1784
01:24:47,452 --> 01:24:48,733
Speaker 2: cause problems?

1785
01:24:49,213 --> 01:24:49,412
Speaker 11: You know?

1786
01:24:49,893 --> 01:24:51,852
Speaker 2: Did your husband go on a work trip?

1787
01:24:53,333 --> 01:24:55,492
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1788
01:24:55,572 --> 01:24:58,412
Speaker 2: What are the obligations for a father in twenty twenty five?

1789
01:24:58,652 --> 01:24:58,892
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1790
01:24:59,173 --> 01:25:00,973
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is then

1791
01:25:01,013 --> 01:25:03,173
Speaker 3: able to call the phone lines have let up. If

1792
01:25:03,213 --> 01:25:04,932
Speaker 3: you want to send a teacher, more than welcome. Nine

1793
01:25:04,973 --> 01:25:07,652
Speaker 3: to nine to two. Was the father there for the

1794
01:25:07,652 --> 01:25:11,012
Speaker 3: birth of your and if he wasn't, or if you weren't,

1795
01:25:11,412 --> 01:25:11,932
Speaker 3: what happened?

1796
01:25:11,973 --> 01:25:16,133
Speaker 2: Because I can imagine Tyler when my kids were being born. Gosh,

1797
01:25:16,173 --> 01:25:18,173
Speaker 2: I'd want to be there because it was such a

1798
01:25:18,213 --> 01:25:20,852
Speaker 2: nerve wracking time that I don't think I could have

1799
01:25:20,853 --> 01:25:23,492
Speaker 2: handled being in another city at that point. I don't

1800
01:25:23,492 --> 01:25:24,812
Speaker 2: know if I could have handled being away on a

1801
01:25:24,853 --> 01:25:25,293
Speaker 2: work trip.

1802
01:25:25,412 --> 01:25:26,293
Speaker 3: Was number too easier?

1803
01:25:27,013 --> 01:25:27,133
Speaker 18: Uh?

1804
01:25:27,532 --> 01:25:29,173
Speaker 3: You kind of been there, done that. I know the

1805
01:25:29,253 --> 01:25:29,652
Speaker 3: drill here.

1806
01:25:30,692 --> 01:25:33,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Actually there was there was some

1807
01:25:33,452 --> 01:25:35,652
Speaker 2: poor behavior for me around number one that I might share.

1808
01:25:35,732 --> 01:25:36,412
Speaker 2: Oh this is good.

1809
01:25:36,612 --> 01:25:40,293
Speaker 3: It's thirteen past three on us dog zibby. It is

1810
01:25:40,333 --> 01:25:42,253
Speaker 3: a call to a past three and we are talking about

1811
01:25:42,293 --> 01:25:45,692
Speaker 3: Bundy Archie, the British and Irish Lions midfielder. He was

1812
01:25:45,732 --> 01:25:48,173
Speaker 3: preparing for the opening test against Australia when his wife

1813
01:25:48,253 --> 01:25:51,372
Speaker 3: messages say they were on the way to hospital her

1814
01:25:51,412 --> 01:25:54,293
Speaker 3: water had broke, and to quote, ten minutes later he said,

1815
01:25:54,333 --> 01:25:56,293
Speaker 3: she video calls me and I was like, oh beep,

1816
01:25:56,372 --> 01:25:58,013
Speaker 3: what's going on? And I saw a baby on the

1817
01:25:58,093 --> 01:26:00,253
Speaker 3: video call. So she had it on in the car

1818
01:26:00,293 --> 01:26:01,172
Speaker 3: on the way to hospital.

1819
01:26:01,253 --> 01:26:05,492
Speaker 2: But controversially, she was well over duemm and he was away.

1820
01:26:06,293 --> 01:26:08,812
Speaker 2: Is that a Is it an obligation for the man

1821
01:26:08,853 --> 01:26:10,852
Speaker 2: to be there for the birth? This text he does

1822
01:26:10,893 --> 01:26:13,132
Speaker 2: not think so. A man is not only not necessary

1823
01:26:13,133 --> 01:26:15,333
Speaker 2: at birth, but a hindrance. In the old days, he

1824
01:26:15,372 --> 01:26:17,133
Speaker 2: would be at a pub waiting for a call where

1825
01:26:17,333 --> 01:26:22,492
Speaker 2: he can't do any damage. Wow damage. The mother and

1826
01:26:22,572 --> 01:26:24,973
Speaker 2: her mother are the correct people to be there, not

1827
01:26:25,053 --> 01:26:27,253
Speaker 2: a man for a start. A woman doesn't want her

1828
01:26:27,293 --> 01:26:29,692
Speaker 2: man to see her in that state. Get out of

1829
01:26:29,732 --> 01:26:32,132
Speaker 2: the birthing suite. Men, it's a woman's domain.

1830
01:26:32,452 --> 01:26:32,973
Speaker 20: Wow.

1831
01:26:33,133 --> 01:26:34,973
Speaker 3: Oh w eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do

1832
01:26:35,013 --> 01:26:37,892
Speaker 3: you feel about that? Ladies and men? It's just for ladies,

1833
01:26:37,933 --> 01:26:38,772
Speaker 3: the old birthing suite.

1834
01:26:39,333 --> 01:26:42,053
Speaker 2: Did that text come through on a time machine from

1835
01:26:42,093 --> 01:26:42,932
Speaker 2: the nintey fifties?

1836
01:26:43,013 --> 01:26:44,572
Speaker 3: It's a hell of a bold statement.

1837
01:26:45,333 --> 01:26:51,372
Speaker 2: Joey, welcome to the show. Hello, Hello, how are you good?

1838
01:26:51,452 --> 01:26:53,932
Speaker 14: Thank you good good?

1839
01:26:54,053 --> 01:26:57,692
Speaker 21: Yeah. My father was away on a rugby tour when

1840
01:26:57,732 --> 01:27:00,412
Speaker 21: my middle brother was born, and he was Graham was

1841
01:27:00,412 --> 01:27:03,213
Speaker 21: five and a half months old before my father even

1842
01:27:03,253 --> 01:27:03,732
Speaker 21: saw him.

1843
01:27:04,173 --> 01:27:10,972
Speaker 2: Wow. So what sort of eraror was this? Joy? Joe? Sorry?

1844
01:27:10,973 --> 01:27:12,333
Speaker 22: Fifty three fifty four?

1845
01:27:12,812 --> 01:27:15,492
Speaker 2: All right? So it was what what? What kind of

1846
01:27:15,572 --> 01:27:16,412
Speaker 2: rugby player was he?

1847
01:27:18,213 --> 01:27:21,732
Speaker 21: It was on an all black tour, six months long tour?

1848
01:27:22,133 --> 01:27:22,333
Speaker 5: Oh?

1849
01:27:22,333 --> 01:27:24,093
Speaker 2: Wow? What was your father's name?

1850
01:27:26,412 --> 01:27:27,012
Speaker 21: Snow White?

1851
01:27:27,812 --> 01:27:28,372
Speaker 2: All right?

1852
01:27:29,013 --> 01:27:33,612
Speaker 3: White? All right, we're looking that up as we speak, Joe.

1853
01:27:34,612 --> 01:27:35,612
Speaker 3: And so I mean, what.

1854
01:27:35,612 --> 01:27:38,012
Speaker 2: Was that was? Going away on a rugby rugby tour

1855
01:27:38,013 --> 01:27:39,612
Speaker 2: on a boat? Pretty much, wasn't it?

1856
01:27:41,093 --> 01:27:43,852
Speaker 21: I think they left. This was well before my time.

1857
01:27:45,093 --> 01:27:49,492
Speaker 21: But they left on a was it the flying boat

1858
01:27:49,652 --> 01:27:50,132
Speaker 21: or something?

1859
01:27:50,293 --> 01:27:52,333
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, talk to.

1860
01:27:52,333 --> 01:27:54,812
Speaker 21: Them about a week I think.

1861
01:27:54,652 --> 01:27:58,172
Speaker 12: To get Yeah, yeah, they.

1862
01:27:58,532 --> 01:28:05,293
Speaker 21: Stopped what's on lots of stops along the way. But

1863
01:28:05,293 --> 01:28:07,852
Speaker 21: but yeah, there was sort of no no video calling.

1864
01:28:08,372 --> 01:28:11,013
Speaker 21: Don't even know, you know, I think he may have

1865
01:28:11,133 --> 01:28:14,612
Speaker 21: found out about my brother's first by telegram or something.

1866
01:28:15,133 --> 01:28:16,572
Speaker 21: I don't think there were phone calls.

1867
01:28:16,933 --> 01:28:20,293
Speaker 2: So how how how pregnant was your mum when he

1868
01:28:20,412 --> 01:28:23,932
Speaker 2: started this, you know, skipping and hopping across the world

1869
01:28:24,013 --> 01:28:27,693
Speaker 2: to get to the tour on tour two weeks.

1870
01:28:27,372 --> 01:28:28,213
Speaker 21: Off giving birth?

1871
01:28:28,772 --> 01:28:29,692
Speaker 14: So wow?

1872
01:28:29,893 --> 01:28:33,532
Speaker 2: And yeah yeah, and so was she okay with that?

1873
01:28:33,612 --> 01:28:35,732
Speaker 2: And did she have the support she needed back back

1874
01:28:35,772 --> 01:28:36,532
Speaker 2: here in New Zealand?

1875
01:28:39,133 --> 01:28:42,892
Speaker 21: Wow, I guess so. I think from from what I've heard,

1876
01:28:42,973 --> 01:28:45,972
Speaker 21: she moved back with her parents. Was my oldest brother.

1877
01:28:47,492 --> 01:28:51,093
Speaker 21: They had to let out their house because they didn't

1878
01:28:51,133 --> 01:28:54,253
Speaker 21: get they got for all money or they got no

1879
01:28:54,333 --> 01:28:59,213
Speaker 21: money on the tours. So but you know, it was

1880
01:28:59,293 --> 01:29:04,372
Speaker 21: something he always said that the friendship he made over

1881
01:29:04,452 --> 01:29:08,652
Speaker 21: his rugby time were probably going to be a lot

1882
01:29:08,692 --> 01:29:12,012
Speaker 21: more long standing than you know in the later years

1883
01:29:12,093 --> 01:29:15,132
Speaker 21: because of how they went through it all for the guys.

1884
01:29:15,173 --> 01:29:16,452
Speaker 21: Now that's their career.

1885
01:29:17,213 --> 01:29:19,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, just from the top of my head, just trying

1886
01:29:19,933 --> 01:29:25,293
Speaker 2: to remember Hallard Leo snow White Leo. Yeah, Hallard Leo.

1887
01:29:25,372 --> 01:29:27,013
Speaker 2: That's right, just thoughts in my head. He played one

1888
01:29:27,053 --> 01:29:29,452
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety five games for Auckland. I'm just off

1889
01:29:29,492 --> 01:29:32,573
Speaker 2: the top of my head. Prop. Wasn't he a strong scrummager?

1890
01:29:33,933 --> 01:29:35,213
Speaker 3: Yes, it's good memory, Matt.

1891
01:29:35,412 --> 01:29:37,973
Speaker 2: He went on to serve as a coach and administrator.

1892
01:29:38,812 --> 01:29:40,812
Speaker 2: He was the president of the Auckland Rugby Football Union

1893
01:29:40,812 --> 01:29:41,213
Speaker 2: for a while.

1894
01:29:41,253 --> 01:29:43,972
Speaker 21: Wasn't he in the New Zealand Union?

1895
01:29:44,053 --> 01:29:46,772
Speaker 2: In the New Zealand Union yet, I've just googled it.

1896
01:29:47,333 --> 01:29:51,972
Speaker 21: Of course, lots of things about my father through Google.

1897
01:29:53,412 --> 01:29:56,133
Speaker 2: That how cool, How cool that that he was your

1898
01:29:56,173 --> 01:29:57,692
Speaker 2: father and he was an all black in that era.

1899
01:29:57,812 --> 01:29:59,852
Speaker 2: That is that is so awesome. You'd be very proud

1900
01:29:59,933 --> 01:30:02,333
Speaker 2: and so just so your mum was how did your

1901
01:30:02,412 --> 01:30:05,572
Speaker 2: mum take this, that that he was away?

1902
01:30:05,853 --> 01:30:08,173
Speaker 21: She probably didn't have much of a choice, to be honest.

1903
01:30:08,572 --> 01:30:10,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's different times he did.

1904
01:30:11,093 --> 01:30:12,492
Speaker 21: Yeah, very different times.

1905
01:30:13,572 --> 01:30:15,333
Speaker 3: I imagine for your dad it must have been hard

1906
01:30:15,372 --> 01:30:19,293
Speaker 3: to be away with no ability to phone, no video call,

1907
01:30:19,492 --> 01:30:21,412
Speaker 3: just a telegram. That must have been tough for him

1908
01:30:21,412 --> 01:30:21,812
Speaker 3: at the time.

1909
01:30:23,013 --> 01:30:23,812
Speaker 21: Oh, probably not.

1910
01:30:27,053 --> 01:30:27,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, good cool.

1911
01:30:27,893 --> 01:30:30,893
Speaker 2: It was a totally different era with totally different expectations.

1912
01:30:30,893 --> 01:30:32,013
Speaker 2: Weren't there a.

1913
01:30:32,213 --> 01:30:33,133
Speaker 21: Very different era?

1914
01:30:33,412 --> 01:30:36,492
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, very different. So in twenty twenty five, do

1915
01:30:36,532 --> 01:30:38,412
Speaker 2: you think do you think that things have changed? Do

1916
01:30:38,452 --> 01:30:41,692
Speaker 2: you think that a father in this day and age

1917
01:30:42,133 --> 01:30:45,133
Speaker 2: should be around, should should cancel whatever they're doing, if

1918
01:30:45,133 --> 01:30:50,692
Speaker 2: they're if there, if their partner is overdue or ready

1919
01:30:50,692 --> 01:30:50,972
Speaker 2: to go.

1920
01:30:52,452 --> 01:30:54,492
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, I.

1921
01:30:56,973 --> 01:31:00,053
Speaker 21: My husband was there when I had our daughter and

1922
01:31:00,853 --> 01:31:04,652
Speaker 21: when she recently had heard maybe her partner was there,

1923
01:31:04,812 --> 01:31:06,773
Speaker 21: So yeah, I think it's the important.

1924
01:31:07,372 --> 01:31:08,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, here's a tear.

1925
01:31:08,532 --> 01:31:10,253
Speaker 21: But then that was baby number five.

1926
01:31:11,532 --> 01:31:15,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah it was. It wasn't it was maybe

1927
01:31:15,732 --> 01:31:18,852
Speaker 2: number five. Hey, Joe, this is a text that's come

1928
01:31:18,893 --> 01:31:21,892
Speaker 2: through here. Snow White coached US front rowers in Auckland

1929
01:31:21,893 --> 01:31:24,932
Speaker 2: in the late nineties. He was a lovely and caring man.

1930
01:31:26,652 --> 01:31:30,852
Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah, yeah, so it's a lot of

1931
01:31:30,933 --> 01:31:33,133
Speaker 2: respect for your dad out there. So hey, thank you

1932
01:31:33,133 --> 01:31:34,612
Speaker 2: so much for your call, Joe, and thanks for sharing

1933
01:31:34,612 --> 01:31:35,132
Speaker 2: that story.

1934
01:31:36,133 --> 01:31:37,333
Speaker 21: Okay, all right, have.

1935
01:31:37,253 --> 01:31:39,652
Speaker 3: A good afternoon. What a great New Zealander snow White.

1936
01:31:39,772 --> 01:31:42,612
Speaker 3: A lot of text about snow White in his playing days.

1937
01:31:42,692 --> 01:31:45,333
Speaker 3: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1938
01:31:45,532 --> 01:31:47,932
Speaker 3: Is it important for the father to be in the birthing? Sweet?

1939
01:31:48,053 --> 01:31:49,972
Speaker 3: Was that the case for you? Love to hear from you?

1940
01:31:50,412 --> 01:31:52,652
Speaker 3: And if the dad didn't make it, we'd love to

1941
01:31:52,652 --> 01:31:54,412
Speaker 3: hear the story. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty

1942
01:31:54,452 --> 01:31:55,133
Speaker 3: is the number to call.

1943
01:31:55,173 --> 01:31:57,213
Speaker 2: All right, getting a lot of heat for not knowing

1944
01:31:57,213 --> 01:31:59,253
Speaker 2: who snow White was. I knew all those details about

1945
01:31:59,293 --> 01:32:01,053
Speaker 2: snow on you. I mean, how many people out there

1946
01:32:01,093 --> 01:32:02,572
Speaker 2: and you he paid one hundred and nety five games

1947
01:32:02,572 --> 01:32:05,213
Speaker 2: for Auckland, right, factly that's pure memory. Yeah, well done.

1948
01:32:05,253 --> 01:32:09,652
Speaker 3: It is twenty two past three.

1949
01:32:10,853 --> 01:32:14,213
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred

1950
01:32:14,293 --> 01:32:16,453
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1951
01:32:16,732 --> 01:32:20,092
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. She It is twenty four past three,

1952
01:32:20,333 --> 01:32:22,612
Speaker 3: and we've asked the question, is it important if the

1953
01:32:22,612 --> 01:32:23,492
Speaker 3: father's in the birthing?

1954
01:32:23,532 --> 01:32:23,812
Speaker 2: Sweet?

1955
01:32:23,853 --> 01:32:25,692
Speaker 3: This is on the back of a lovely story. Actually,

1956
01:32:25,732 --> 01:32:29,253
Speaker 3: Bundy ARKI he lets slip during an interview that he

1957
01:32:29,293 --> 01:32:31,452
Speaker 3: missed the birth of his fifth child because it was

1958
01:32:31,492 --> 01:32:34,972
Speaker 3: preparing for the opening test against Australia got a video

1959
01:32:35,013 --> 01:32:37,372
Speaker 3: call from his wife saying the water's broken, I'm on

1960
01:32:37,372 --> 01:32:39,572
Speaker 3: my way to hospital and she didn't quite make it.

1961
01:32:39,612 --> 01:32:42,053
Speaker 3: She gave birth to the baby in the car. So

1962
01:32:42,213 --> 01:32:44,013
Speaker 3: love to hear your stories on eight hundred and eighty

1963
01:32:44,093 --> 01:32:45,053
Speaker 3: ten eighty.

1964
01:32:45,013 --> 01:32:47,652
Speaker 2: Hey, and more stuff on Snowwhite. Hey. They still have

1965
01:32:47,732 --> 01:32:53,333
Speaker 2: a junior boys Junius seven tournament at the North Cote

1966
01:32:53,492 --> 01:32:55,932
Speaker 2: Rugby Club called the snow White Trophy, won by East

1967
01:32:55,973 --> 01:32:57,093
Speaker 2: Coast Bass this year too.

1968
01:32:57,253 --> 01:32:58,173
Speaker 3: God love it.

1969
01:32:58,333 --> 01:33:00,572
Speaker 2: This person says, Hey, anyone that knows rugby would know

1970
01:33:00,612 --> 01:33:02,532
Speaker 2: who snow White is. I thought that was pretty interesting,

1971
01:33:02,532 --> 01:33:05,372
Speaker 2: considering like commentate rugby. Yeah, well, you know my jobs.

1972
01:33:05,452 --> 01:33:08,612
Speaker 3: You had some good facts and figures about snow White.

1973
01:33:08,173 --> 01:33:12,452
Speaker 2: My rugby history is very a Targo focused JD. Welcome

1974
01:33:12,492 --> 01:33:16,213
Speaker 2: to the show. How are you very good? Thank you

1975
01:33:16,213 --> 01:33:16,933
Speaker 2: your thoughts on this.

1976
01:33:18,692 --> 01:33:21,892
Speaker 8: I was just just having a week listen. And I

1977
01:33:21,973 --> 01:33:25,973
Speaker 8: remember two or three years ago when Robbie Williams was

1978
01:33:26,372 --> 01:33:30,932
Speaker 8: on the Graham Norton Show and he I don't think

1979
01:33:30,933 --> 01:33:33,093
Speaker 8: he'd gone to the first one, but he felt that

1980
01:33:33,133 --> 01:33:36,132
Speaker 8: he needed to be with her for the second birth

1981
01:33:36,213 --> 01:33:40,612
Speaker 8: of the second child, and Graham Norton had said to him,

1982
01:33:40,772 --> 01:33:42,892
Speaker 8: or how did you find that? Are you glad that

1983
01:33:42,933 --> 01:33:46,532
Speaker 8: you did that? And he said, well, if I'm going

1984
01:33:46,612 --> 01:33:50,213
Speaker 8: to be completely honest, it was almost like having my

1985
01:33:50,572 --> 01:33:56,572
Speaker 8: favorite local pub burnt down? How toul mess you found it?

1986
01:33:56,652 --> 01:34:01,133
Speaker 8: Because being down that end and I just thought it

1987
01:34:01,213 --> 01:34:08,253
Speaker 8: was COMICALE was just pretty much you know, you know,

1988
01:34:08,372 --> 01:34:12,812
Speaker 8: are your favorite pub? Oh, it was just like having

1989
01:34:12,853 --> 01:34:14,852
Speaker 8: that favorite pub boo down.

1990
01:34:15,612 --> 01:34:17,652
Speaker 2: So what do you think about that? Because because someone

1991
01:34:17,812 --> 01:34:21,612
Speaker 2: someone texted through here before this text, I bet it before.

1992
01:34:21,612 --> 01:34:24,012
Speaker 2: A man is not necessary at the birth, but a hindrance.

1993
01:34:24,093 --> 01:34:25,532
Speaker 2: In the old days, he would be at the pub

1994
01:34:25,572 --> 01:34:27,813
Speaker 2: waiting for a call where he can't do any damage.

1995
01:34:27,933 --> 01:34:29,772
Speaker 2: The mother and her mother are the correct people there,

1996
01:34:29,812 --> 01:34:31,612
Speaker 2: not a man for a start. A woman doesn't want

1997
01:34:31,612 --> 01:34:34,253
Speaker 2: her man to see her in that state. I mean

1998
01:34:34,372 --> 01:34:35,333
Speaker 2: my uncle.

1999
01:34:35,293 --> 01:34:38,213
Speaker 8: Archie, he's one hundred now. I used to play cricket,

2000
01:34:38,612 --> 01:34:41,173
Speaker 8: and yes, that's what they did back in those days.

2001
01:34:41,213 --> 01:34:42,812
Speaker 8: They just went to the pub and waited for the

2002
01:34:43,412 --> 01:34:46,373
Speaker 8: waited for the news. I do have one of the stories,

2003
01:34:46,572 --> 01:34:50,572
Speaker 8: and that's my sister. She's actually had seven children. I

2004
01:34:50,853 --> 01:34:52,532
Speaker 8: was taking her in the middle of the night to

2005
01:34:53,293 --> 01:34:56,253
Speaker 8: give birth to her last child, the nurse didn't even

2006
01:34:56,293 --> 01:34:58,412
Speaker 8: have a chance to get her on the bed and

2007
01:34:58,452 --> 01:35:02,612
Speaker 8: get her gloves on, and this week girl just straight away.

2008
01:35:03,492 --> 01:35:06,933
Speaker 8: So yeah, you really can't judge it, but men are definitely.

2009
01:35:06,532 --> 01:35:07,892
Speaker 16: Supposed to be there these days.

2010
01:35:08,013 --> 01:35:12,492
Speaker 8: Yeah, but maybe don't look down that daub said.

2011
01:35:12,412 --> 01:35:15,412
Speaker 2: Hold hands and look your partner in the eye. Maybe,

2012
01:35:15,412 --> 01:35:16,772
Speaker 2: But what about you want to don't you want to

2013
01:35:16,812 --> 01:35:20,932
Speaker 2: see that very first second that you that your child

2014
01:35:21,652 --> 01:35:22,333
Speaker 2: enters the world?

2015
01:35:23,933 --> 01:35:26,852
Speaker 8: You know, Yeah, they pretty much when you got first,

2016
01:35:27,173 --> 01:35:31,133
Speaker 8: they pretty much sort of get the baby over the top,

2017
01:35:31,213 --> 01:35:34,493
Speaker 8: and then the man does thing. I just don't recommend

2018
01:35:34,812 --> 01:35:36,053
Speaker 8: that he's standing at that.

2019
01:35:36,213 --> 01:35:38,973
Speaker 2: End watching the pub burned out Robin Williams.

2020
01:35:39,013 --> 01:35:42,333
Speaker 8: But because yeah, I just don't think and you manage that,

2021
01:35:42,772 --> 01:35:46,572
Speaker 8: I see that it's not necessaios.

2022
01:35:46,492 --> 01:35:49,572
Speaker 2: Okay, Jody, thank you for your call. Appreciate that great call.

2023
01:35:50,692 --> 01:35:53,333
Speaker 2: Only catching up with topic now. But years, for years,

2024
01:35:53,333 --> 01:35:55,652
Speaker 2: you weren't allowed to go into where the mother were

2025
01:35:55,853 --> 01:35:58,732
Speaker 2: due to have her baby. Even looking through the window.

2026
01:35:59,253 --> 01:36:00,852
Speaker 2: You'd get in trouble, they'd tell you off.

2027
01:36:01,133 --> 01:36:03,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how would you feel that if it

2028
01:36:03,612 --> 01:36:05,372
Speaker 3: was a situation that you had to just go down

2029
01:36:05,412 --> 01:36:08,053
Speaker 3: to the pub and wait for the news that we

2030
01:36:08,492 --> 01:36:10,213
Speaker 3: cool to say you've got another baby.

2031
01:36:10,213 --> 01:36:15,333
Speaker 2: Boy's I can't imagine it. I can't imagine it because

2032
01:36:15,333 --> 01:36:19,093
Speaker 2: you're quite worried. I mean, you kind of think you

2033
01:36:19,133 --> 01:36:21,572
Speaker 2: can help now, because now as a father, you go

2034
01:36:21,692 --> 01:36:25,612
Speaker 2: to the what do they call the pre natal classes

2035
01:36:25,652 --> 01:36:29,053
Speaker 2: or whatever, yep, and so you've learned a bunch and

2036
01:36:29,333 --> 01:36:30,612
Speaker 2: you think you're going to be part of it. You

2037
01:36:30,612 --> 01:36:33,052
Speaker 2: think you could be helpful. I mean, in my case,

2038
01:36:33,093 --> 01:36:36,293
Speaker 2: I did just stuck on the nitrous and and sort

2039
01:36:36,333 --> 01:36:38,053
Speaker 2: of basically get in the way. But you know, you think,

2040
01:36:38,093 --> 01:36:40,892
Speaker 2: you know, you think you're being supportive.

2041
01:36:41,133 --> 01:36:43,572
Speaker 3: He allowed the nitrous I got.

2042
01:36:43,372 --> 01:36:46,772
Speaker 2: Told off by the by the midwife for that one.

2043
01:36:46,772 --> 01:36:48,972
Speaker 3: He who dares wins. I suppose it is twenty nine

2044
01:36:49,013 --> 01:36:51,213
Speaker 3: bars three beg very shortly, oh one hundred and eighty

2045
01:36:51,213 --> 01:36:52,253
Speaker 3: ten eighties a number.

2046
01:36:54,253 --> 01:36:58,213
Speaker 13: You's talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's

2047
01:36:58,253 --> 01:37:02,173
Speaker 13: no trouble with a blue bubble Treaty negotiations Minister Paul

2048
01:37:02,173 --> 01:37:05,213
Speaker 13: Goldsmith says the government intends to pass the Marine and

2049
01:37:05,293 --> 01:37:09,812
Speaker 13: Coastal Areas Bill my late October. The Education Minister says

2050
01:37:09,812 --> 01:37:13,173
Speaker 13: she wants AI used to grade most school assignments by

2051
01:37:13,253 --> 01:37:16,532
Speaker 13: twenty twenty eight. The government this week also announced plans

2052
01:37:16,572 --> 01:37:21,132
Speaker 13: to do away with NCEEA qualifications in zet wine growers.

2053
01:37:21,133 --> 01:37:24,612
Speaker 13: Says Kiwi, producers will need to compete on quality rather

2054
01:37:24,652 --> 01:37:28,333
Speaker 13: than price with higher new US tariffs. Beginning on Friday,

2055
01:37:29,093 --> 01:37:31,692
Speaker 13: the police dive squad is hunting for a diver missing

2056
01:37:31,692 --> 01:37:34,492
Speaker 13: at lower hunt Lari Bay since about eleven a m.

2057
01:37:35,452 --> 01:37:38,412
Speaker 13: The governments announced a deal between z Energy and Channel

2058
01:37:38,452 --> 01:37:43,572
Speaker 13: Infrastructure to supply jet fuel from Marsden Point to Auckland Airport. Meanwhile,

2059
01:37:43,612 --> 01:37:45,852
Speaker 13: our big gent tailors plan to set up a large

2060
01:37:45,933 --> 01:37:49,253
Speaker 13: joint coal stock pile at Huntley Pile Station to ensure

2061
01:37:49,293 --> 01:37:53,093
Speaker 13: power supply over the next decade. The Prime Ministers had

2062
01:37:53,093 --> 01:37:55,973
Speaker 13: the rare honor of addressing Papua New Guinea's parliament to

2063
01:37:56,013 --> 01:38:00,372
Speaker 13: celebrate fifty years since the Pacific nation gained independence, and

2064
01:38:00,412 --> 01:38:03,132
Speaker 13: the Warrior's last minute lost to the Dolphins has dealt

2065
01:38:03,133 --> 01:38:05,852
Speaker 13: a major blow to the club's top four hopes, writes

2066
01:38:05,893 --> 01:38:08,333
Speaker 13: Ben Francis. Read the full column at Enzed Herald precs

2067
01:38:08,772 --> 01:38:10,773
Speaker 13: back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2068
01:38:10,372 --> 01:38:13,532
Speaker 3: Thank you, Scarlett, and we are talking about men or

2069
01:38:13,572 --> 01:38:15,652
Speaker 3: the father being in the birth in Sweet. It's on

2070
01:38:15,692 --> 01:38:17,852
Speaker 3: the back of what was a fairly lovely story from

2071
01:38:17,853 --> 01:38:22,013
Speaker 3: Bundy Arki, the British and Irons Irish Lions midfielder he was.

2072
01:38:22,652 --> 01:38:24,692
Speaker 3: He heard about the news of his daughter being born

2073
01:38:24,772 --> 01:38:27,333
Speaker 3: when he was preparing for the opening Test against Australia.

2074
01:38:27,492 --> 01:38:29,213
Speaker 2: I think that's important that the father is in the

2075
01:38:29,213 --> 01:38:32,293
Speaker 2: birthing sweet when the mother is giving birth, says this text. However,

2076
01:38:32,293 --> 01:38:35,133
Speaker 2: in some circumstances, I think it's okay if they are not.

2077
01:38:35,253 --> 01:38:37,652
Speaker 2: Bundy was playing for the British and Irish Lions, which

2078
01:38:37,692 --> 01:38:39,692
Speaker 2: is the highest honor that you can have as a

2079
01:38:39,772 --> 01:38:42,372
Speaker 2: rugby player from Ireland. If he was my husband, I

2080
01:38:42,412 --> 01:38:45,293
Speaker 2: would be telling him absolutely, go ahead and you'll see

2081
01:38:45,293 --> 01:38:48,492
Speaker 2: your baby when you get back. This Texas says, hey, boys,

2082
01:38:48,532 --> 01:38:51,572
Speaker 2: eight kids with my wife was therefore of them, wouldn't

2083
01:38:51,572 --> 01:38:54,412
Speaker 2: miss it for the world. In this text to Linda, says,

2084
01:38:54,452 --> 01:38:57,093
Speaker 2: was lucky enough to have a cesarean so barely had

2085
01:38:57,093 --> 01:38:59,293
Speaker 2: to be there. Myself happy with that outcome.

2086
01:38:59,412 --> 01:39:01,333
Speaker 3: That's a great text, Dean.

2087
01:39:01,853 --> 01:39:02,652
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

2088
01:39:03,572 --> 01:39:07,293
Speaker 5: Good enough to know. Yes, so more stories. A little

2089
01:39:07,293 --> 01:39:10,652
Speaker 5: bit funny. My wife and I were in a ring

2090
01:39:10,772 --> 01:39:13,213
Speaker 5: whether we were going to have a home birth or not.

2091
01:39:13,293 --> 01:39:17,253
Speaker 5: The mid wife was there, my wife was having contractions,

2092
01:39:18,253 --> 01:39:22,213
Speaker 5: and the decision was made to have a home birth.

2093
01:39:22,333 --> 01:39:25,812
Speaker 5: After the midwife said, whatever you do, the decision is now.

2094
01:39:26,933 --> 01:39:31,173
Speaker 5: We're walking towards the bedroom and my wife doubled over

2095
01:39:31,333 --> 01:39:34,772
Speaker 5: with a massive contraction, and my daughter came flying at

2096
01:39:34,812 --> 01:39:37,412
Speaker 5: a broom and I dived down.

2097
01:39:37,293 --> 01:39:39,213
Speaker 14: And caught it just before she hit the ground.

2098
01:39:39,333 --> 01:39:39,652
Speaker 2: Wow.

2099
01:39:41,053 --> 01:39:45,772
Speaker 5: Wow, Yes, even now that moment, I can remember the

2100
01:39:46,013 --> 01:39:47,812
Speaker 5: absolute overwhelmedness of it.

2101
01:39:47,853 --> 01:39:49,533
Speaker 3: All good reactions.

2102
01:39:50,253 --> 01:39:54,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. Because of course, boy, it can

2103
01:39:54,853 --> 01:39:59,253
Speaker 2: be very very different from from that. And so you

2104
01:39:59,333 --> 01:40:00,732
Speaker 2: what happened then you grabbed it?

2105
01:40:01,053 --> 01:40:05,372
Speaker 5: Well, then I kept held of Grace as her names,

2106
01:40:05,452 --> 01:40:10,572
Speaker 5: and my wife, the midwife help my wife laid down,

2107
01:40:10,692 --> 01:40:16,293
Speaker 5: and then I sat down and handed the scissors to

2108
01:40:16,372 --> 01:40:18,492
Speaker 5: my mother and law allowed her to cut the cord

2109
01:40:18,492 --> 01:40:19,612
Speaker 5: because I was shaking.

2110
01:40:19,973 --> 01:40:21,773
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2111
01:40:21,812 --> 01:40:26,492
Speaker 2: Wow, unexpected. And I mean Graces Grace must love the story.

2112
01:40:26,692 --> 01:40:27,852
Speaker 2: She must have heard it a whole night.

2113
01:40:27,973 --> 01:40:32,253
Speaker 5: Yeah, she gets a little bit embarrassed when we tell

2114
01:40:32,492 --> 01:40:33,772
Speaker 5: tell it in front of her friends.

2115
01:40:33,772 --> 01:40:37,092
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a better outcome than you know, because

2116
01:40:37,133 --> 01:40:40,812
Speaker 2: you you had quick hands. But it was. It's a

2117
01:40:40,812 --> 01:40:43,652
Speaker 2: better outcome than twelve hours of pushing for you, for

2118
01:40:43,692 --> 01:40:44,292
Speaker 2: your wife.

2119
01:40:44,412 --> 01:40:45,052
Speaker 4: That's for sure.

2120
01:40:45,173 --> 01:40:45,852
Speaker 5: That's for sure.

2121
01:40:46,053 --> 01:40:46,293
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2122
01:40:46,293 --> 01:40:49,132
Speaker 5: Wow, she's been in a hurry ever since too.

2123
01:40:49,973 --> 01:40:52,372
Speaker 2: And is that the only child? Is Grace your only child.

2124
01:40:52,253 --> 01:40:54,852
Speaker 5: Dean, No, we have a son who's a couple of

2125
01:40:54,933 --> 01:40:55,852
Speaker 5: years older as well.

2126
01:40:56,093 --> 01:40:59,452
Speaker 2: And was his birthless dramatic?

2127
01:41:00,093 --> 01:41:02,812
Speaker 5: Yeah it was. It was in the hospital and the

2128
01:41:03,093 --> 01:41:08,293
Speaker 5: maternity ward. And yeah, the first time becoming a parent

2129
01:41:08,333 --> 01:41:11,293
Speaker 5: because obviously a moment you never forget, but it doesn't

2130
01:41:11,333 --> 01:41:12,012
Speaker 5: have the humor.

2131
01:41:12,372 --> 01:41:15,213
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And so you would have been keeping your

2132
01:41:15,253 --> 01:41:18,173
Speaker 2: eyes on your wife the whole time for the second one.

2133
01:41:18,692 --> 01:41:23,772
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah it was. It was fun. Yeah, that's

2134
01:41:23,812 --> 01:41:26,253
Speaker 5: all I can say. In the end, it was a

2135
01:41:26,253 --> 01:41:30,093
Speaker 5: lot of fun, a very overwhelming experience. But in the end,

2136
01:41:31,333 --> 01:41:34,132
Speaker 5: I wouldn't I wouldn't change it for anything.

2137
01:41:34,293 --> 01:41:36,652
Speaker 3: It's a lovely story, Dean. So with the home birth,

2138
01:41:36,692 --> 01:41:38,892
Speaker 3: obviously yet to make that decision pretty quick for the

2139
01:41:38,893 --> 01:41:41,092
Speaker 3: first time, you must have been bricking yourself.

2140
01:41:41,893 --> 01:41:46,052
Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah, it was a case of I didn't

2141
01:41:46,053 --> 01:41:48,213
Speaker 5: actually want to make that decision. I wanted that to

2142
01:41:48,253 --> 01:41:53,732
Speaker 5: be my wife's decision. But the way it was all happening.

2143
01:41:54,333 --> 01:41:57,772
Speaker 5: She was breathing heavy and what not every now and then,

2144
01:41:57,812 --> 01:42:00,013
Speaker 5: and I just thought, no, I have to make a decision.

2145
01:42:00,133 --> 01:42:02,452
Speaker 5: So I made the decision. I will have it here

2146
01:42:03,532 --> 01:42:04,892
Speaker 5: and yeah, so.

2147
01:42:04,853 --> 01:42:07,053
Speaker 2: There you go. Good on your dean with a great story. Yeah,

2148
01:42:07,133 --> 01:42:12,253
Speaker 2: and congratulations and catching little grace. Diane, welcome to show.

2149
01:42:12,293 --> 01:42:13,573
Speaker 2: You've had two boys.

2150
01:42:14,572 --> 01:42:19,013
Speaker 10: I've had two boys fifteen months apart, and.

2151
01:42:19,213 --> 01:42:21,812
Speaker 2: That was dad there.

2152
01:42:22,173 --> 01:42:30,093
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, And I think you know, the statement that

2153
01:42:30,253 --> 01:42:32,772
Speaker 10: was made earlier I think is a bit archaic for

2154
01:42:32,812 --> 01:42:38,652
Speaker 10: these days. I think that you know, it takes two

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01:42:39,452 --> 01:42:42,772
Speaker 10: to have a child, and I think the man has

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01:42:42,772 --> 01:42:47,093
Speaker 10: a right to be there, and they are helpful, and

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Speaker 10: I think most women take comfort from the father being there.

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Speaker 2: Would you say at childbirth and you say, have the

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01:42:55,893 --> 01:42:58,093
Speaker 2: man has the right to be there? But do you

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01:42:58,133 --> 01:43:02,333
Speaker 2: think that the woman has the right to call the

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01:43:02,372 --> 01:43:06,173
Speaker 2: shots and ask for what she wants? You know?

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01:43:07,372 --> 01:43:09,253
Speaker 10: I think it's here just yeah.

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01:43:09,372 --> 01:43:11,452
Speaker 2: So the last time they said get out, get out,

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01:43:11,452 --> 01:43:13,652
Speaker 2: get out, get out, then I think, as the man,

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01:43:13,692 --> 01:43:16,173
Speaker 2: you would have to I mean, that didn't happen with

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01:43:16,213 --> 01:43:18,652
Speaker 2: my two sons, but I imagine if it had, I would

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01:43:18,652 --> 01:43:20,492
Speaker 2: have been there. Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, except you know, the actual birds. I think

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01:43:27,692 --> 01:43:33,372
Speaker 10: is something special that that's the only opportunity for a man,

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01:43:34,253 --> 01:43:38,372
Speaker 10: you know, to experience and and I think it also

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01:43:38,692 --> 01:43:42,293
Speaker 10: helps for them to know what a woman actually goes through.

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01:43:42,692 --> 01:43:44,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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01:43:44,253 --> 01:43:49,213
Speaker 10: To bring a life into this world. And it's a

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Speaker 10: special occasion.

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01:43:51,853 --> 01:43:56,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely. And from a from a father's perspective,

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01:43:57,133 --> 01:44:01,532
Speaker 2: you're so worried that you want to know the second everything's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So absolutely so.

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01:44:04,412 --> 01:44:06,732
Speaker 2: You don't want to be as as this Texas is

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01:44:07,093 --> 01:44:09,333
Speaker 2: went across the road and the pub, like the old.

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01:44:09,253 --> 01:44:11,092
Speaker 3: Days, waiting for the phone call sounds awful.

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01:44:11,173 --> 01:44:13,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but the cliche was, wasn't it was

2182
01:44:13,372 --> 01:44:16,253
Speaker 2: that pacing that the father pacing around the pub waiting

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01:44:16,253 --> 01:44:18,532
Speaker 2: for a phone call, gets the phone call, hangs up,

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01:44:18,572 --> 01:44:19,492
Speaker 2: and then lights a cigar.

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Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, but I think a lot of women these

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01:44:27,572 --> 01:44:31,333
Speaker 10: days would like their husband to be there, and I

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01:44:31,333 --> 01:44:34,532
Speaker 10: think most men these days want to be part of it.

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01:44:35,013 --> 01:44:36,812
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, thank you so much for you called Dane.

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01:44:36,812 --> 01:44:37,372
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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01:44:37,452 --> 01:44:39,652
Speaker 3: Great call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

2191
01:44:39,732 --> 01:44:42,852
Speaker 3: number to call, love to hear your thoughts. Were you

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01:44:43,093 --> 01:44:45,973
Speaker 3: as the father in the birthing sweet and as the

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01:44:45,973 --> 01:44:49,052
Speaker 3: woman giving birth was the father there? And if he wasn't,

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01:44:49,612 --> 01:44:51,532
Speaker 3: what was the story? I eighte hundred eighty ten eighty.

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01:44:51,612 --> 01:44:53,852
Speaker 2: It's a bit different with Bundy says this text. That

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01:44:53,973 --> 01:44:56,692
Speaker 2: was a one hundred thousand pound work trip. You got

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01:44:56,732 --> 01:44:58,653
Speaker 2: to equate that into it.

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Speaker 3: It goes a long way for a new baby. Yeah, yeah,

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01:45:01,013 --> 01:45:03,372
Speaker 3: all right, it is twenty one to four getting through school.

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01:45:04,532 --> 01:45:08,852
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eighty and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons used.

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01:45:10,532 --> 01:45:13,492
Speaker 3: Talk said it is eighteen to four.

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01:45:14,612 --> 01:45:16,812
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, my wife took her sweet bloody time giving

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01:45:16,812 --> 01:45:18,452
Speaker 2: birth to our son at home. So I did the

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01:45:18,532 --> 01:45:20,692
Speaker 2: right thing and fell asleep in my chair with all

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01:45:20,692 --> 01:45:22,932
Speaker 2: the excitement at two in the morning. Was the right

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01:45:22,973 --> 01:45:24,732
Speaker 2: thing to do, as I just get in her way

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01:45:24,772 --> 01:45:27,692
Speaker 2: whenever I'm near her. Anyway, we got there in the end,

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Speaker 2: proud of both of us.

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Speaker 3: Not get on your wasels, Steve, Jesus is I won

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01:45:35,293 --> 01:45:37,253
Speaker 3: with that one out, Steve, Welcome to the show.

2212
01:45:38,853 --> 01:45:40,732
Speaker 2: There you go, very good. Thank you.

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01:45:42,452 --> 01:45:47,053
Speaker 12: Okay, So on our first son, my wife friend into

2214
01:45:47,093 --> 01:45:48,892
Speaker 12: taber and the after Nana and I was a bit

2215
01:45:48,973 --> 01:45:51,893
Speaker 12: panicky and said, right, we've got to go to hospital,

2216
01:45:52,532 --> 01:45:56,772
Speaker 12: which we made it there and we had our midwife.

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01:45:56,772 --> 01:45:59,532
Speaker 12: We were sharing with another woman that was giving birth

2218
01:45:59,572 --> 01:46:03,452
Speaker 12: at the same time and there so this third giving

2219
01:46:03,492 --> 01:46:04,933
Speaker 12: birth in the other room was a bit of a

2220
01:46:04,973 --> 01:46:09,492
Speaker 12: bogain and had some bogan mates with her snack. Some

2221
01:46:09,612 --> 01:46:12,973
Speaker 12: mat de send the woodstocks into the room. So they

2222
01:46:14,372 --> 01:46:16,972
Speaker 12: got drowned at by the midwife the first time for that,

2223
01:46:17,893 --> 01:46:19,612
Speaker 12: and then she came back to us and then she

2224
01:46:19,692 --> 01:46:21,973
Speaker 12: went back there and they've done your trick, Matt. They

2225
01:46:21,973 --> 01:46:22,932
Speaker 12: were on the night dress.

2226
01:46:23,652 --> 01:46:24,373
Speaker 2: That's disgusting.

2227
01:46:26,412 --> 01:46:28,612
Speaker 12: So she gave them another bollocking. And then the third

2228
01:46:28,612 --> 01:46:31,932
Speaker 12: time when she went back, they built the birthing pool

2229
01:46:31,973 --> 01:46:34,093
Speaker 12: and they were all sitting in the birthing pool like

2230
01:46:34,133 --> 01:46:41,053
Speaker 12: a sparkle, drinking their woodstocks. It's a bit fast, So

2231
01:46:41,173 --> 01:46:44,333
Speaker 12: that that was My wife felt that we had cried

2232
01:46:44,372 --> 01:46:47,652
Speaker 12: wolves the first time, and you know, because when she

2233
01:46:47,772 --> 01:46:50,333
Speaker 12: was in labor for such a long time. So the

2234
01:46:50,412 --> 01:46:53,852
Speaker 12: second time, on the second son, the waters broke a

2235
01:46:54,013 --> 01:46:56,812
Speaker 12: four in the morning and I said, right, let's go,

2236
01:46:57,053 --> 01:46:59,732
Speaker 12: and she said no, no, no, you just go back

2237
01:46:59,732 --> 01:47:01,293
Speaker 12: to sleep and I'll wake you when we need to

2238
01:47:01,333 --> 01:47:03,973
Speaker 12: go to hospital. So she woke me at six and

2239
01:47:04,013 --> 01:47:07,173
Speaker 12: said right up in the shower and we'll head down there.

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01:47:07,893 --> 01:47:10,372
Speaker 12: I got out of the shower said we're not going

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01:47:10,452 --> 01:47:12,732
Speaker 12: to make it. The heads out and I can't stop pushing.

2242
01:47:14,532 --> 01:47:18,933
Speaker 12: So we delivered them ourselves, no midwife, nothing on the

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01:47:18,973 --> 01:47:19,692
Speaker 12: toilet floor.

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01:47:20,652 --> 01:47:23,532
Speaker 2: Wow, you must have been freaking out.

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01:47:25,173 --> 01:47:26,892
Speaker 12: I was white with their Yeah.

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01:47:27,093 --> 01:47:29,652
Speaker 3: Bet did you kind of have an intend about what

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01:47:29,732 --> 01:47:31,612
Speaker 3: to do or no? You just had to go with

2248
01:47:31,692 --> 01:47:32,772
Speaker 3: it and try.

2249
01:47:34,612 --> 01:47:37,213
Speaker 12: There was just hope, mate, and I just hoped that

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01:47:37,293 --> 01:47:40,412
Speaker 12: everything that would come out good, and luckily it was.

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01:47:42,213 --> 01:47:44,933
Speaker 12: It was a good berth, and we sat on the

2252
01:47:44,973 --> 01:47:47,772
Speaker 12: toilet floor and waited for fifteen minutes till the midwife

2253
01:47:47,812 --> 01:47:48,293
Speaker 12: turned up.

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01:47:49,173 --> 01:47:52,053
Speaker 2: So you would have been in the position. So you

2255
01:47:52,053 --> 01:47:53,532
Speaker 2: were on your own. But did you got on the

2256
01:47:53,532 --> 01:47:55,692
Speaker 2: phone to the midwife or you didn't even have time

2257
01:47:55,692 --> 01:47:55,972
Speaker 2: for that?

2258
01:47:57,532 --> 01:48:00,492
Speaker 12: Oh? No, I was on the phone, fled out to it. Yeah,

2259
01:48:00,772 --> 01:48:01,572
Speaker 12: I probably wrung her.

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01:48:01,492 --> 01:48:02,412
Speaker 4: About twive times?

2261
01:48:02,412 --> 01:48:02,852
Speaker 14: Where are you?

2262
01:48:02,933 --> 01:48:03,893
Speaker 12: Where are you?

2263
01:48:04,652 --> 01:48:07,333
Speaker 2: And did she talk? Did she talk you through what

2264
01:48:07,412 --> 01:48:09,253
Speaker 2: to do or was there anything for you to do?

2265
01:48:09,452 --> 01:48:11,212
Speaker 2: Or it just it just sort of happened.

2266
01:48:12,692 --> 01:48:14,012
Speaker 12: Oh, it was like a slip fielder.

2267
01:48:16,853 --> 01:48:19,452
Speaker 2: It's it's funny how different they are, you know, some

2268
01:48:19,492 --> 01:48:21,132
Speaker 2: of them just take forever to come out.

2269
01:48:22,452 --> 01:48:24,652
Speaker 12: I'll tell you what. I just got out of the shower.

2270
01:48:24,692 --> 01:48:27,133
Speaker 12: I was clean by the time the midwas ended up,

2271
01:48:27,293 --> 01:48:30,612
Speaker 12: or was not very clean at all. And the minute

2272
01:48:30,692 --> 01:48:33,293
Speaker 12: she turned up, I went out on the deck, poured

2273
01:48:33,412 --> 01:48:36,613
Speaker 12: myself a good stuff burban and hit about four cigarettes

2274
01:48:36,652 --> 01:48:37,173
Speaker 12: on the truck.

2275
01:48:39,372 --> 01:48:40,093
Speaker 3: Yeah that's the way.

2276
01:48:40,213 --> 01:48:42,452
Speaker 2: Well, good on you, Steve. It sounded like you stood

2277
01:48:42,532 --> 01:48:45,612
Speaker 2: up at a difficult time and and did did the

2278
01:48:45,652 --> 01:48:47,852
Speaker 2: best you possibly could. So that's pretty good. And I'm

2279
01:48:47,893 --> 01:48:51,572
Speaker 2: sure your your your child loves that story.

2280
01:48:52,452 --> 01:48:57,012
Speaker 12: There was nowhere to hide, ma, Dad.

2281
01:48:57,293 --> 01:49:00,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but you didn't run away? Yeah, can

2282
01:49:00,772 --> 01:49:02,572
Speaker 2: You'd be a terrible person if you ran away.

2283
01:49:02,772 --> 01:49:05,572
Speaker 3: You can't run away.

2284
01:49:05,692 --> 01:49:09,412
Speaker 2: I can't deal with this. But as interesting to think that,

2285
01:49:09,732 --> 01:49:13,532
Speaker 2: you know, for the vast majority of human the time

2286
01:49:13,532 --> 01:49:16,572
Speaker 2: we've been humans, that no one knew what to do

2287
01:49:16,612 --> 01:49:17,973
Speaker 2: when you were giving birth, you know what I mean.

2288
01:49:18,013 --> 01:49:20,093
Speaker 2: There were no midwives or hospitals.

2289
01:49:20,213 --> 01:49:22,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just had to for the best. You just

2290
01:49:22,372 --> 01:49:25,173
Speaker 3: had to get it done exactly. I think we've got

2291
01:49:25,213 --> 01:49:27,812
Speaker 3: time for kieren. Get a Karen.

2292
01:49:29,293 --> 01:49:30,452
Speaker 2: There, you got a Karen.

2293
01:49:30,492 --> 01:49:35,173
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Thank you, thank you, So tell

2294
01:49:35,213 --> 01:49:35,732
Speaker 3: us story.

2295
01:49:36,692 --> 01:49:37,452
Speaker 5: Father of three.

2296
01:49:37,572 --> 01:49:42,053
Speaker 22: So I've been to all birds the first one. So

2297
01:49:42,133 --> 01:49:45,213
Speaker 22: all three babies came I think six days early, all

2298
01:49:45,253 --> 01:49:48,333
Speaker 22: three of them. So we went went prepared for that.

2299
01:49:48,412 --> 01:49:50,812
Speaker 22: For the first one, I was at the pub all flooon,

2300
01:49:51,253 --> 01:49:57,253
Speaker 22: my last last night out being responsible. Lovely wife walked

2301
01:49:57,333 --> 01:49:59,013
Speaker 22: up to the pub to pick me up and that

2302
01:49:59,173 --> 01:50:02,892
Speaker 22: was all good. Went home, carried on, went to sleep

2303
01:50:02,933 --> 01:50:04,293
Speaker 22: and wake up about two in the morning and she

2304
01:50:04,412 --> 01:50:08,572
Speaker 22: was a labor on the couch the bedroom. I was

2305
01:50:09,213 --> 01:50:13,532
Speaker 22: still pretty rather and.

2306
01:50:12,133 --> 01:50:14,812
Speaker 3: That would say be out fast though, so.

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01:50:15,093 --> 01:50:17,812
Speaker 22: I got it at the hospital and then just got

2308
01:50:17,893 --> 01:50:19,932
Speaker 22: yet at the whole time for drinking all your cold water.

2309
01:50:22,173 --> 01:50:24,253
Speaker 2: So essentially you've woken up two o'clock with your hangover

2310
01:50:24,333 --> 01:50:26,253
Speaker 2: kicking and you've got a lot to deal with.

2311
01:50:27,333 --> 01:50:29,173
Speaker 22: Yes, it was not expecting that.

2312
01:50:29,652 --> 01:50:31,492
Speaker 5: Yeah, so number two.

2313
01:50:31,652 --> 01:50:34,092
Speaker 22: Number two was a lot easier, and I was sober

2314
01:50:34,133 --> 01:50:37,532
Speaker 22: for that one, which was good. Yeah, number three, I

2315
01:50:37,612 --> 01:50:39,812
Speaker 22: knew exactly what was happenings. I certainly was. She was

2316
01:50:39,893 --> 01:50:41,812
Speaker 22: labor on my phone ordering ties.

2317
01:50:42,532 --> 01:50:42,812
Speaker 13: Great.

2318
01:50:43,412 --> 01:50:45,013
Speaker 2: Oh, we see you're just getting better and better at it.

2319
01:50:45,093 --> 01:50:48,732
Speaker 2: You're a proby You're a convisional. Yeah, thanks to you,

2320
01:50:48,853 --> 01:50:49,452
Speaker 2: Carl Kieran.

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01:50:49,572 --> 01:50:50,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

2322
01:50:50,452 --> 01:50:53,333
Speaker 2: I was sort of in a certain sort of similar

2323
01:50:53,372 --> 01:50:57,532
Speaker 2: situation where because we've been waiting for the baby to

2324
01:50:57,572 --> 01:50:59,612
Speaker 2: be born for a while, it was quite stressful, and

2325
01:50:59,652 --> 01:51:01,213
Speaker 2: so I thought I'd have a few whiskeys on the

2326
01:51:01,213 --> 01:51:04,652
Speaker 2: couch watching TV, just because I thought this thing's not coming. Yeah,

2327
01:51:04,772 --> 01:51:06,852
Speaker 2: just a decompress and then and then then it came

2328
01:51:07,133 --> 01:51:09,372
Speaker 2: the next you know, and I was like, I can't drive,

2329
01:51:09,933 --> 01:51:12,173
Speaker 2: I can't you know. It was an absolute cock up.

2330
01:51:12,173 --> 01:51:15,052
Speaker 2: I couldn't drive so we had to tax it. Yeah, yeah,

2331
01:51:15,173 --> 01:51:15,612
Speaker 2: oh too.

2332
01:51:15,692 --> 01:51:15,732
Speaker 5: Go.

2333
01:51:16,372 --> 01:51:20,492
Speaker 2: So my advice there is staff, the booze around the

2334
01:51:20,492 --> 01:51:24,972
Speaker 2: window you're getting to the hospital. Plan does not work.

2335
01:51:25,173 --> 01:51:26,572
Speaker 3: Go sober from seven months on.

2336
01:51:28,372 --> 01:51:30,532
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if you're a really good dad, surely

2337
01:51:30,572 --> 01:51:33,093
Speaker 2: you should be sober when I wasn't. But you should

2338
01:51:33,133 --> 01:51:34,612
Speaker 2: probably be sober the whole time if they have to

2339
01:51:34,652 --> 01:51:35,012
Speaker 2: be sober.

2340
01:51:35,093 --> 01:51:38,093
Speaker 3: Right, it's quite stressful. Whiskey sound bloody good? Actually right?

2341
01:51:38,213 --> 01:51:41,253
Speaker 3: It is twelve to four back very shortly with more

2342
01:51:41,253 --> 01:51:43,772
Speaker 3: of your texts, the.

2343
01:51:43,652 --> 01:51:47,612
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

2344
01:51:47,612 --> 01:51:51,613
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons, Used talks.

2345
01:51:51,492 --> 01:51:56,933
Speaker 3: B News Talks the B It is nine to four, Jasmine.

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01:51:57,293 --> 01:52:00,372
Speaker 3: You've got a rather dramatic story, but a beautiful story.

2347
01:52:00,372 --> 01:52:00,932
Speaker 3: How are you?

2348
01:52:01,572 --> 01:52:07,092
Speaker 23: I thank you. We had our first baby girl eleven

2349
01:52:07,093 --> 01:52:07,612
Speaker 23: months ago.

2350
01:52:08,492 --> 01:52:10,452
Speaker 5: Congratulation, Thank you.

2351
01:52:10,893 --> 01:52:13,892
Speaker 23: And I ended up kind of very long story short,

2352
01:52:14,452 --> 01:52:17,372
Speaker 23: had to be rushed to see that after burst, and

2353
01:52:17,452 --> 01:52:21,213
Speaker 23: so I was without her for about five hours and

2354
01:52:21,293 --> 01:52:24,812
Speaker 23: she was with her dad, and you just never know

2355
01:52:24,853 --> 01:52:27,732
Speaker 23: what's going to happen. And who would you rather, you know,

2356
01:52:27,772 --> 01:52:31,052
Speaker 23: your baby spend that time less than they're dad, because

2357
01:52:31,452 --> 01:52:34,812
Speaker 23: that bonding, that bonding time to start with.

2358
01:52:35,293 --> 01:52:37,492
Speaker 2: That must have been tough for you, though, So you've

2359
01:52:37,492 --> 01:52:39,492
Speaker 2: got this. How quickly were you rushed away?

2360
01:52:42,013 --> 01:52:45,372
Speaker 23: About half an hour? Maybe no, probably probably a bit

2361
01:52:45,372 --> 01:52:48,293
Speaker 23: clicker than that you saw were so.

2362
01:52:48,253 --> 01:52:51,492
Speaker 2: You got to meet your baby girl and spend some time.

2363
01:52:51,812 --> 01:52:53,612
Speaker 2: But it must have been hard to be pulled away.

2364
01:52:54,412 --> 01:52:57,093
Speaker 23: Yeah, so they did, you know, we got to do

2365
01:52:57,133 --> 01:52:58,852
Speaker 23: a bit of skin to skin and cut the cord

2366
01:52:58,973 --> 01:53:03,253
Speaker 23: and although of feed and then yeah, then I had

2367
01:53:03,253 --> 01:53:06,492
Speaker 23: to go. So it was tough, but I knew that

2368
01:53:06,572 --> 01:53:08,212
Speaker 23: she was face because she was going.

2369
01:53:08,013 --> 01:53:10,492
Speaker 2: To heart and that's what that's what the dad should

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Speaker 2: be there for a backup?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, because you know who would she have gone to?

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01:53:15,772 --> 01:53:19,092
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how did he manage? How did he manage

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01:53:19,412 --> 01:53:20,092
Speaker 2: that situation?

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Speaker 23: He was a bit stressed. We had really amazing My

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Speaker 23: midwife was just I can't say enough about her. She

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Speaker 23: set him up, and really good nurses on the ward

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Speaker 23: who came in and checked on. I disposed of them

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Speaker 23: until I got back, and yes, settled him and then

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Speaker 23: helped them. So, yeah, he got a real kid start.

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Speaker 3: In the background.

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01:53:49,853 --> 01:53:51,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's her name?

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01:53:51,893 --> 01:53:52,133
Speaker 14: Harp?

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01:53:53,133 --> 01:53:53,852
Speaker 3: What a lovely name.

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01:53:53,893 --> 01:53:59,173
Speaker 2: Hello, Harper, very cute. Hey, thank you, thank you so

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01:53:59,253 --> 01:54:01,132
Speaker 2: much for your call. I was in a similar position actually,

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Speaker 2: where I ended up having to look after the baby

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Speaker 2: because mum it was still under a general anesthetic and

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Speaker 2: I'd never held a baby before in my life hardly,

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Speaker 2: And I just said the stupidest thing to the to

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Speaker 2: the midwife, I said, so, does it just keep breathing

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01:54:17,893 --> 01:54:19,372
Speaker 2: or do I have to do anything? Like I had

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01:54:19,412 --> 01:54:21,572
Speaker 2: no idea what you did with this thing. And then

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01:54:21,612 --> 01:54:24,253
Speaker 2: I was like and then they gave me a bottle

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01:54:24,293 --> 01:54:25,652
Speaker 2: and I was just put it in his mouth and

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01:54:25,692 --> 01:54:27,732
Speaker 2: he drank it, and I was like, thank.

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Speaker 3: God, what a great what a beautiful moment though, right,

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01:54:30,933 --> 01:54:33,453
Speaker 3: that is all we've got time for today. Thank you

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01:54:33,573 --> 01:54:36,373
Speaker 3: to everybody who text and phoned on that one. Some

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01:54:36,453 --> 01:54:39,213
Speaker 3: lovely stories there, and I think it's fair to say

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Speaker 3: if you are the dad and you can be there,

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01:54:41,213 --> 01:54:41,613
Speaker 3: be there.

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01:54:42,133 --> 01:54:42,333
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:54:42,453 --> 01:54:44,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're not. We're not judging Bundy.

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01:54:44,533 --> 01:54:47,213
Speaker 3: No, you know he was making a good coin, maybe

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01:54:47,253 --> 01:54:51,012
Speaker 3: number five year. His mum was there to help along

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Speaker 3: a well.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying baby number five isn't as important as

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01:54:54,053 --> 01:54:56,853
Speaker 2: baby number one? They're all special miracles.

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01:54:56,933 --> 01:54:57,972
Speaker 3: It's easier, doesn't it.

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01:54:58,533 --> 01:55:01,093
Speaker 2: You definitely get less freaked out after the first one.

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01:55:01,133 --> 01:55:05,493
Speaker 2: The first one is very challenging. Yeah, but yes, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for listening to the show today and

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01:55:07,413 --> 01:55:10,172
Speaker 2: thanks for all your and texts. The full show podcast

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01:55:10,173 --> 01:55:11,812
Speaker 2: will be out in about an hour or so. So

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01:55:11,853 --> 01:55:15,293
Speaker 2: if you missed our chats on a huge pile of

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01:55:15,373 --> 01:55:20,253
Speaker 2: coal and Huntley or what else did we talk about today.

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01:55:21,333 --> 01:55:22,693
Speaker 3: It's about sick notes.

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01:55:23,213 --> 01:55:26,613
Speaker 2: Sick notes, then then listen to our podcast where we

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01:55:26,613 --> 01:55:30,653
Speaker 2: get your podcasts now Tyley Tyly, Yes, my new nickname

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01:55:30,653 --> 01:55:33,053
Speaker 2: for you, Tyley. Why am I playing this song?

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01:55:33,693 --> 01:55:38,133
Speaker 3: This is a bit of Stevie wonder Oh isn't she lovely?

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01:55:39,253 --> 01:55:42,012
Speaker 2: Isn't she lovely? Isn't she wonderful? Isn't she precious? Less

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01:55:42,013 --> 01:55:45,333
Speaker 2: than one minute old? I never thought through love we'd

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01:55:45,373 --> 01:55:48,533
Speaker 2: be making one as lovely as she? But isn't she lovely?

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01:55:48,573 --> 01:55:49,253
Speaker 2: Made from love?

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01:55:49,333 --> 01:55:49,493
Speaker 1: Oh?

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01:55:49,533 --> 01:55:51,973
Speaker 3: What a beautiful song and a beautiful message.

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01:55:51,693 --> 01:55:54,973
Speaker 2: One of those beautiful songs about a newborn baby you

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01:55:54,973 --> 01:55:56,133
Speaker 2: could ever hope to hear.

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01:55:56,293 --> 01:55:59,292
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely love it. Hey, And just a reminder tomorrow

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Speaker 3: on the show after three point thirty, Gareth Abdenor is

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01:56:02,733 --> 01:56:04,933
Speaker 3: back with us, taking your calls and questions. And you

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01:56:05,013 --> 01:56:07,133
Speaker 3: got a problem with the boss if you're worried about

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01:56:07,133 --> 01:56:10,413
Speaker 3: sick notes, is the man to chat to? That is tomorrow.

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01:56:10,733 --> 01:56:12,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. The Paul Holmes Broadcast over the year,

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01:56:12,973 --> 01:56:16,213
Speaker 2: Heather Dooper, see Ellen is up next. Thanks for those

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01:56:16,293 --> 01:56:20,693
Speaker 2: things I said. And Tyler, get some Dallas and tea

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01:56:20,733 --> 01:56:22,653
Speaker 2: for that thing on your nose, John to squeeze it

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01:56:22,653 --> 01:56:24,893
Speaker 2: for me. I don't want you turning up with a

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01:56:24,973 --> 01:56:28,093
Speaker 2: road cone on your face a NiCl certificate. All right,

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01:56:28,613 --> 01:56:29,772
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow afternoon.

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01:56:29,893 --> 01:57:30,613
Speaker 20: Till then, everyone give me a taste.

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01:57:31,693 --> 01:57:36,373
Speaker 1: Mattie and Tyler Adams for more from News Talk set B.

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