WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 262: A tribute to Kane Williamson and an unrecognisable England squad 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:19.693 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:19.173 --> 0:00:20.533 Yeah, we take it on the pad. 0:00:20.573 --> 0:00:24.213 Now we'll get in. It's entering, it is out, the 0:00:24.293 --> 0:00:24.933 test is over. 0:00:27.173 --> 0:00:27.893 Couldn't smoke? 0:00:27.973 --> 0:00:29.413 Oh wow, a beauty. 0:00:29.453 --> 0:00:31.493 It is out and here he goes. 0:00:31.613 --> 0:00:34.053 This delivery has un used to Bowl. 0:00:36.293 --> 0:00:39.653 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:39.973 --> 0:00:43.853 powered by News Talks head b A iHeartRadio. 0:00:46.333 --> 0:00:50.853 Hello on the Front Foot timed out. Kay Williamson retires 0:00:51.133 --> 0:00:54.613 mid series in England and immediately the debate rages on 0:00:55.053 --> 0:00:59.813 is he our greatest cricketer? Stokes stumbles to a mid 0:01:00.253 --> 0:01:04.133 nightclub dismissal. What's the future at the age of thirty five? 0:01:04.693 --> 0:01:07.053 Unfortunately our fielding that us down and it's just a 0:01:07.173 --> 0:01:09.173 really bad office for as a. 0:01:09.213 --> 0:01:11.173 Bad day at the office cost the White Pans the 0:01:11.213 --> 0:01:15.573 semi final verse of World t twenty already, goodness, greatest me. 0:01:15.693 --> 0:01:18.573 We'll discuss that on the Front Foot with Jeremy Coney 0:01:19.213 --> 0:01:23.133 and Peter Hollands, and you guys were catching up at 0:01:23.213 --> 0:01:26.973 the Lord's Test. How did the social evening go? Guys? 0:01:27.613 --> 0:01:32.013 It didn't once because of my my stumble in the 0:01:32.093 --> 0:01:37.093 Netherlands where I was riding a bike back from the 0:01:37.173 --> 0:01:40.093 train station. Things went pear shape. So we never called. 0:01:41.333 --> 0:01:45.333 No, we didn't. I was I sort of saw motion 0:01:45.613 --> 0:01:51.733 my mind, hopping his way towards Lords and the game 0:01:51.853 --> 0:01:53.573 was over so quickly. He didn't make it. 0:01:55.573 --> 0:01:57.173 You would have had to be quick to catch up 0:01:57.213 --> 0:01:59.773 with each other. It was only last nine hundred and 0:01:59.973 --> 0:02:03.453 ninety six balls, goodness, greatest me, and they had to 0:02:03.773 --> 0:02:06.093 advise us that the pitch was unsatisfactory. I think we 0:02:06.173 --> 0:02:08.653 knew that before the ICC told us, isn't we. 0:02:10.813 --> 0:02:14.013 It's an interesting thing because I was actually at Lord's 0:02:14.013 --> 0:02:19.453 about two weeks earlier and watching Middlesex Derbyshire, and in fact, 0:02:19.533 --> 0:02:23.893 I'm gay you got one hundred and that match just 0:02:24.053 --> 0:02:27.093 by the way. But the wicket didn't seem to be 0:02:27.373 --> 0:02:28.773 any wine air as treacherous. 0:02:29.093 --> 0:02:29.413 Major. 0:02:29.613 --> 0:02:32.013 It was canty bowlers and it was the second division, 0:02:32.053 --> 0:02:34.933 if you will, but it didn't seem any winner as treachers. 0:02:34.973 --> 0:02:38.013 In fact, if anything, it was probably keeping relatively flat 0:02:38.053 --> 0:02:39.733 and light because it had just come through a period 0:02:39.773 --> 0:02:43.053 of quite quite decent weather in May. So then to 0:02:43.173 --> 0:02:47.253 turn up literally two weeks later with that is. That 0:02:47.373 --> 0:02:51.133 sort of wicket was head scratcher, to say the very least. 0:02:51.453 --> 0:02:54.493 I'll tell you what. They used a different technique, And 0:02:54.573 --> 0:02:57.693 what I can't understand is why did they use not 0:02:57.933 --> 0:03:02.533 try this new technique before the Test match on a 0:03:02.613 --> 0:03:06.173 county pitch. We often do this, don't we. They're talking 0:03:06.213 --> 0:03:10.373 about trialing a p ball, aren't they, at the moment, 0:03:10.413 --> 0:03:13.893 But give it a decent go before we're surprised by 0:03:13.973 --> 0:03:19.533 these things. I think personally, they steamed it at two 0:03:19.653 --> 0:03:23.893 hundred degrees and it kills off all the bugs and 0:03:23.973 --> 0:03:27.013 all the stuff between the grass. I went out and 0:03:27.133 --> 0:03:30.933 it actually looked like Jeffrey Boycott's when he put in 0:03:31.053 --> 0:03:34.693 those new plugs of hair, you know, rounders, and there 0:03:34.813 --> 0:03:38.613 was nothing in between them, so and that looked That's 0:03:38.653 --> 0:03:42.333 what the grass looked like. It was an extraordinary looking 0:03:42.453 --> 0:03:47.053 pitch when you got up close, so I don't know 0:03:47.133 --> 0:03:51.133 whether that contributed to it or not, but it certainly 0:03:51.333 --> 0:03:55.413 was up and down and seeming as well, so difficult 0:03:55.453 --> 0:03:57.733 for the batsman. You couldn't say much about the batting. 0:03:57.853 --> 0:04:00.773 So we're kind of starting again, aren't we, In the 0:04:00.893 --> 0:04:04.413 first Test. We're in a couple of days, Yes, indeed, 0:04:05.293 --> 0:04:05.853 the only. 0:04:05.813 --> 0:04:08.653 Thing that I'm happy for is that we get a 0:04:08.693 --> 0:04:11.693 couple of bottles, get on the on the honors board 0:04:11.773 --> 0:04:14.373 and you know Nathan Smith in particular, so I'm very 0:04:14.573 --> 0:04:18.773 thrilled for them, but it rather cheated spectators at a 0:04:18.813 --> 0:04:21.573 wonderful venue where everything is literally I mean, it's a 0:04:21.693 --> 0:04:24.773 great place to go and watch cricket. It just robbed 0:04:25.373 --> 0:04:29.613 the public a couple of extra days of decent cricket, 0:04:29.733 --> 0:04:31.973 which everyone should be really disappointed about. 0:04:32.453 --> 0:04:35.373 As Yeah, I spoke to a guy called Rob Lynch, 0:04:35.413 --> 0:04:37.573 who was you know, on the media night and that 0:04:37.693 --> 0:04:39.613 sort of thing. He's the guy actually in charge of 0:04:39.693 --> 0:04:43.653 the groundsman and he came over to me. He was 0:04:43.733 --> 0:04:49.813 almost he was so apologetic about the surface and you're right, Moose, 0:04:49.973 --> 0:04:52.053 is such a good lot of things around that you 0:04:52.133 --> 0:04:56.133 can do around the ground, but that those twenty two 0:04:56.293 --> 0:04:59.973 yards they are the most critical thing that you can 0:05:00.093 --> 0:05:03.573 possibly have in the entire ground. They've got a plan 0:05:03.733 --> 0:05:07.573 for the future. It involves all the trays, you know 0:05:07.693 --> 0:05:10.293 that we have an en park and bringing them from 0:05:10.333 --> 0:05:14.053 the nursery ground out to the main ground and then 0:05:14.093 --> 0:05:16.573 they'll have to embed them of course on a slope 0:05:17.013 --> 0:05:20.093 on a slight slope, and so that will be pretty 0:05:20.173 --> 0:05:23.333 tricky how they how they go about that. They're going 0:05:23.413 --> 0:05:25.893 to have three of them and they're going to use 0:05:25.973 --> 0:05:28.973 them for two years before they start. So they've got 0:05:29.013 --> 0:05:31.533 a very interesting couple of years ahead of them about 0:05:31.613 --> 0:05:33.613 what they're going to do about that Lord's Test. 0:05:33.933 --> 0:05:36.693 Because when you look at the look at lords, the 0:05:37.973 --> 0:05:40.453 block so called as we used to refer to, it 0:05:40.973 --> 0:05:44.973 literally goes almost to cross the entire ground, you know, 0:05:45.333 --> 0:05:47.093 because you know, I guess when they play eaton and 0:05:47.213 --> 0:05:49.293 harrow they ride out over on the on the left 0:05:49.413 --> 0:05:53.373 edge or whatever it is. But but it's just how 0:05:53.413 --> 0:05:57.773 they haven't haven't got that that right, and to do 0:05:57.893 --> 0:06:00.893 what they did is it's just baffling, you know. And 0:06:01.373 --> 0:06:03.573 as I said, there's such a wonderful place to watch 0:06:03.653 --> 0:06:06.613 cricket because you're really close to the close to the action. 0:06:07.693 --> 0:06:10.253 Everything else side of it is wonderful. It's just a 0:06:10.813 --> 0:06:13.413 fantastic and I love the nursery ground too when you're there. 0:06:13.853 --> 0:06:18.133 It seemed to be the venue for Cain Williamson's retirement speech, 0:06:18.973 --> 0:06:21.973 well if you could call it a speech, he announced 0:06:22.093 --> 0:06:24.893 his retirement, not a Test match, to go out on 0:06:25.093 --> 0:06:29.413 a Lord's test heavily beaten a poor individual performance by 0:06:29.613 --> 0:06:34.333 his standards. I guess the retirement wasn't the surprise. The 0:06:34.453 --> 0:06:37.853 timing of it was the middle of an important series 0:06:38.813 --> 0:06:42.813 and their announcement was so matter of fact, I'm retiring 0:06:42.893 --> 0:06:48.013 as of now, that's it gone, and I presume that's 0:06:48.013 --> 0:06:50.573 the way it is. Jerry's pactice bags. 0:06:50.333 --> 0:06:55.613 And moved on. Yeah, he has. I agree with you 0:06:55.853 --> 0:07:01.773 slightly about the timing of it. Fantastic player for New Zealand. Yeah, 0:07:03.213 --> 0:07:06.413 I mean we can talk about that ad nauseum really 0:07:06.853 --> 0:07:10.973 over a long period. But I was I was a 0:07:11.013 --> 0:07:15.573 bit maybe maybe I'm just a bit a bit older 0:07:15.573 --> 0:07:18.093 than our wads, but I and Moose I thought it 0:07:18.213 --> 0:07:22.773 was sort of new wave speak. And he if he 0:07:22.973 --> 0:07:28.013 asked every player in the New Zealand cricket squad, none 0:07:28.093 --> 0:07:31.533 of them, I guarantee you would have said Kane's just 0:07:31.813 --> 0:07:34.013 clinging on, because those are the words he used. I 0:07:34.093 --> 0:07:36.653 don't want to stay in this team, clinging on on 0:07:36.773 --> 0:07:40.013 the team sheet. You know, none of them would say that, 0:07:40.293 --> 0:07:45.373 or they that he hasn't given the commitment required any longer. 0:07:46.053 --> 0:07:49.893 You know, basically I would say that they're better off 0:07:50.013 --> 0:07:53.533 having him there. And I think probably most cricket followers 0:07:53.573 --> 0:07:57.053 would say that, wouldn't they just just having him round 0:07:57.213 --> 0:07:59.853 even to say a few words here or there in 0:07:59.893 --> 0:08:03.813 the changing room to players or assess the conditions or 0:08:04.453 --> 0:08:08.573 you know, he's he's probably regarded as one of the 0:08:08.653 --> 0:08:11.533 better players of doing that. So I think he's just 0:08:11.653 --> 0:08:14.573 good news in the shed anyway, you know. And if 0:08:14.613 --> 0:08:17.453 he was sitting on the Lord's balcony and suddenly came 0:08:17.533 --> 0:08:21.693 to a realization, I don't think it's sudden, frankly, when 0:08:21.733 --> 0:08:25.893 you're thinking about retiring after sixteen years of playing and 0:08:25.973 --> 0:08:28.813 that he can't do it anymore. You know, if he 0:08:28.853 --> 0:08:31.813 had just said, look I can't, I'm gone, I'm done, 0:08:33.133 --> 0:08:36.573 I could understand that. Yet to stay, he was stepping 0:08:36.653 --> 0:08:41.013 away knowing he was still worth his place in the team, 0:08:41.653 --> 0:08:45.333 rather than clinging on. Those were his actual words, you know. 0:08:45.493 --> 0:08:48.533 And Ian it was very low key when he invited 0:08:48.573 --> 0:08:50.693 the press and you know, a cup of tea, come 0:08:50.773 --> 0:08:52.933 and have a cup of coffee and a chat and 0:08:53.013 --> 0:08:56.093 a couple of custard creams with me. You know, it 0:08:56.333 --> 0:08:59.133 was that was what it was. That was the tone. 0:08:59.213 --> 0:09:03.533 But no one thought or felt, you know that he 0:09:03.733 --> 0:09:06.373 was clinging on at all. I mean, if you look 0:09:06.413 --> 0:09:09.413 at the way he has been doing things. Didn't sign 0:09:09.493 --> 0:09:13.813 a twenty twenty four contract, He's missed other international series. 0:09:14.373 --> 0:09:18.013 You know, didn't play against India when they won three nil, 0:09:18.093 --> 0:09:22.973 didn't play against Zimbabwe, and you know that he pulled 0:09:23.013 --> 0:09:26.773 out of T twenty cricket, and he has been the 0:09:26.893 --> 0:09:30.573 last two months and a you know, advisor to LSG 0:09:30.813 --> 0:09:34.493 and the IPL. These are all things that's saying he's 0:09:34.613 --> 0:09:37.893 moving on, and that's absolutely fine. No one was really 0:09:38.013 --> 0:09:41.253 angry about that. I just felt after saying, yep, I'm 0:09:41.293 --> 0:09:43.933 going to play the three Tests in England. Why pull 0:09:44.013 --> 0:09:46.253 out after the first one You've only got two weeks 0:09:46.333 --> 0:09:50.413 to go, two weeks after sixteen years. I don't know 0:09:50.493 --> 0:09:54.213 what you guys feel about all that, but I just 0:09:54.373 --> 0:09:57.533 felt he didn't need to do it. Frankly, if he 0:09:57.653 --> 0:09:59.973 cares so much about the team, which is what he says, 0:10:00.413 --> 0:10:04.733 I care greatly about this team, then out your play 0:10:04.773 --> 0:10:06.053 out your last two weeks. 0:10:06.373 --> 0:10:08.813 I would say that what he wasn't doing, he wasn't 0:10:08.893 --> 0:10:12.493 doing a Saudi and and and on a job interview 0:10:12.573 --> 0:10:15.973 tour as as Soudy was back in back when the 0:10:16.053 --> 0:10:18.533 England were out here a few years ago by any 0:10:18.573 --> 0:10:20.853 stretch of the margin. And that's not his style either, 0:10:21.813 --> 0:10:25.653 but I I mean there was in that second innings 0:10:26.253 --> 0:10:30.933 there was a bit of vintage Williamson where he puts 0:10:31.213 --> 0:10:34.293 one of the quick backward a point with you know, 0:10:34.413 --> 0:10:37.613 with time and the grace that we we we grow 0:10:37.773 --> 0:10:42.093 grew to admire him enormously and and ge was you know, 0:10:42.173 --> 0:10:44.973 I thought, oh you look good there. Yeah, you had time. 0:10:45.773 --> 0:10:47.293 Maybe it was just a fact of the fact that 0:10:47.373 --> 0:10:50.693 he was just got out, he eling got smashed, he's 0:10:50.693 --> 0:10:55.093 feeling abouit flat, and then made a rather hasty decision 0:10:55.093 --> 0:10:59.053 which you can't you can't walk back, but pulling all 0:10:59.093 --> 0:11:02.133 that to one side. And I don't want to pick 0:11:02.213 --> 0:11:04.853 pick winners and lose us here. But he's got to 0:11:04.893 --> 0:11:07.093 be go down there as one of our one of 0:11:07.173 --> 0:11:12.653 our greatest, without any alongside M. D. Crow and Jay Handley, 0:11:13.733 --> 0:11:17.373 you know, and the rest of second Yeah, between them, 0:11:17.693 --> 0:11:18.653 if you're a fair point. 0:11:18.973 --> 0:11:21.773 And he's left us with a lot of memories and 0:11:22.093 --> 0:11:24.453 those we can look at at some point in the 0:11:24.493 --> 0:11:28.653 future because it's been a real moment of reflection for 0:11:28.813 --> 0:11:31.893 a lot of people, and remembering some of his very 0:11:31.933 --> 0:11:36.173 best innings. I just remember the joy of winning that 0:11:36.293 --> 0:11:39.253 World Test Championship and he and Ross Taylor were out 0:11:39.253 --> 0:11:41.933 in the middle together, yes, and they won that game, 0:11:42.093 --> 0:11:44.933 you know, and they were only innings of what forty 0:11:46.413 --> 0:11:49.453 forty five or forty nine and fifty two I think 0:11:49.533 --> 0:11:52.973 were the titles that he scored. But I was lucky 0:11:53.053 --> 0:11:55.653 enough to see his first Test innings. He scored one 0:11:55.733 --> 0:11:59.773 hundred in arm and Abad and that just confirmed that 0:11:59.893 --> 0:12:01.613 he was going to be a star of the future 0:12:01.653 --> 0:12:05.013 when that happened, and you know, he was a good player. 0:12:05.093 --> 0:12:08.853 And we might just reflect on some of those innings 0:12:09.293 --> 0:12:13.733 on a future program because he's left us with a 0:12:13.813 --> 0:12:18.733 lot of those memories. My real question now is his replacement. 0:12:18.853 --> 0:12:18.933 Now. 0:12:18.973 --> 0:12:21.293 They've had replacements for him in the past, because, as 0:12:21.373 --> 0:12:26.373 you said, Jerry, he's been unavailable, he's been injured. Who's 0:12:26.453 --> 0:12:28.693 going to get that role? Is it Rutch and Ravender? 0:12:28.893 --> 0:12:31.293 Is it his time to step up? Or is it 0:12:31.413 --> 0:12:36.493 going to be either Nichols or Young who? I guess 0:12:36.533 --> 0:12:38.773 it has to be Nichols because he was chosen ahead 0:12:38.893 --> 0:12:41.373 of Young for this tour party. 0:12:41.453 --> 0:12:44.493 Jerry, Well, I agree with you in the sense you 0:12:44.613 --> 0:12:48.893 haven't mentioned Ravendra. I don't think he's four, sorry three. 0:12:49.133 --> 0:12:54.213 I think he's more of a four and that's where 0:12:54.253 --> 0:12:59.653 he should stay. He's more of an aggression player and 0:13:00.493 --> 0:13:04.653 rather than the defensively oriented player. Really, if he tries 0:13:04.733 --> 0:13:07.733 to play defensively, he tends to get caught in the slips, 0:13:07.773 --> 0:13:13.133 doesn't he to Nickoff? So I think he's four and 0:13:13.293 --> 0:13:15.893 you you know you mentioned the two that it's between. 0:13:17.093 --> 0:13:19.813 I don't know. The team hasn't been announced yet, Fellas, 0:13:19.893 --> 0:13:25.853 so I don't know who it's going to be. I 0:13:26.053 --> 0:13:31.373 know that you know Young has batted three more recently 0:13:31.493 --> 0:13:36.813 for New Zealand. Nichols has tended to be more four 0:13:36.933 --> 0:13:39.413 or five six that kind of area, although he has 0:13:39.453 --> 0:13:43.933 played three for Canterbury, hasn't he So I'm not sure 0:13:44.053 --> 0:13:48.413 what they'll do there. Personally I would plump for Young, 0:13:49.053 --> 0:13:52.653 but whether they feel the same way, I have no idea. 0:13:52.653 --> 0:13:54.733 And I'm only plumping for Young because I've seen him 0:13:54.773 --> 0:13:57.573 bat at three. I've seen him handle things. He hasn't 0:13:57.613 --> 0:14:01.133 scored lots of runs yet, but Nora is Latham and 0:14:01.293 --> 0:14:05.013 you could say Naura has you know, Conway scored lots recently? 0:14:05.133 --> 0:14:08.133 Have they? They're not that that's our problem at the moment. 0:14:08.333 --> 0:14:11.373 Those top three are our problem. We've got to get 0:14:11.773 --> 0:14:14.453 and protect that middle order so they are able to 0:14:14.533 --> 0:14:16.893 score the runs well. 0:14:16.853 --> 0:14:21.653 On that point, and middle order hasn't been and and 0:14:22.333 --> 0:14:25.933 and the greatest of shape Mitchell after you know, a 0:14:26.013 --> 0:14:29.693 wonderful time a few years ago, hasn't really been producing 0:14:29.773 --> 0:14:32.453 the runs that we were hoping of them either. So 0:14:33.893 --> 0:14:38.173 there's there's there's a lack of form pretty much through 0:14:38.253 --> 0:14:42.453 that through through the batting order. And to see no 0:14:42.573 --> 0:14:45.213 one they're particularly standing up. And as you say, Ravendra 0:14:47.093 --> 0:14:50.173 does neck out and unless he gets settled in. So 0:14:50.293 --> 0:14:52.933 I'd rather see him at four or five. And I 0:14:53.053 --> 0:14:56.093 think that that that whole whole view around your best 0:14:56.133 --> 0:14:58.973 batter bats at three is something of the past. I 0:14:59.573 --> 0:15:03.493 don't see that anymore. And therefore I think for those 0:15:03.853 --> 0:15:06.213 for that sort of reason, I think Revendro stays where 0:15:06.213 --> 0:15:08.813 he is, but we need to get more out. I'm 0:15:08.853 --> 0:15:11.213 with you, Jerry. I'd rather see Young, but I think 0:15:11.253 --> 0:15:15.333 they'll go with old mate Harvey Nichols from from Kensington. 0:15:17.533 --> 0:15:23.253 Well, I would I go for Young strangely because he's 0:15:23.293 --> 0:15:25.933 a right hander. If we bring Nicholson, then we've got 0:15:26.013 --> 0:15:30.293 four left handers. Does that? Does that make a point. 0:15:32.173 --> 0:15:32.533 Very much? 0:15:33.133 --> 0:15:37.813 The final numbers, certainly it does. I think you've got 0:15:37.893 --> 0:15:39.973 to break You've got to break them up as much 0:15:39.973 --> 0:15:42.373 as possible, at least force the bowl to either change 0:15:42.413 --> 0:15:44.733 the side they bowl or bowl a different line. 0:15:45.173 --> 0:15:49.093 Can I bring another point in as well? What it 0:15:49.293 --> 0:15:52.213 was heard during the Test match that the suggestion is 0:15:52.293 --> 0:15:54.493 that Phillips should come up higher in the order. I 0:15:54.533 --> 0:15:57.893 don't see him as a three, but should he be higher. 0:15:57.733 --> 0:16:00.013 In the order swep him with bundle? 0:16:00.653 --> 0:16:03.653 Well, you can't go you suggesting he comes up to 0:16:03.773 --> 0:16:06.293 where it was not just up to six. You're saying, 0:16:06.453 --> 0:16:08.333 or you're going to go push him further up. 0:16:08.813 --> 0:16:11.093 Well no, I don't think you can push him further 0:16:11.213 --> 0:16:14.933 up unless you want to push Saint Mitchell down one more. 0:16:14.973 --> 0:16:17.133 But he's been the key run getter in the past. 0:16:17.293 --> 0:16:20.373 Lett alone the failures of that Test match, but I 0:16:20.453 --> 0:16:22.733 don't think we got the best out of Phillips because 0:16:22.733 --> 0:16:25.733 he was batting with the tail all the way through. 0:16:25.813 --> 0:16:28.653 I know you have to do that, but he was 0:16:28.693 --> 0:16:33.533 probably the most effective run scorer apart from Jamison's baseball 0:16:33.573 --> 0:16:36.373 play in that testment. 0:16:36.973 --> 0:16:40.133 Yeah, I pushed a little bit for him to be elevated, 0:16:40.213 --> 0:16:43.133 but that was only because of the conditions on the surface. 0:16:43.813 --> 0:16:46.853 When you're losing a wicket every four four overs, twenty 0:16:46.893 --> 0:16:51.413 five balls something like that, you need to obviously maximize 0:16:52.013 --> 0:16:54.453 the number of runs you can possibly score before the 0:16:54.493 --> 0:16:57.173 ball comes along with your name on it. So I 0:16:57.413 --> 0:17:01.773 was keen to elevate him as a possibility to be 0:17:01.893 --> 0:17:03.973 a bit more aggressive. You had to be a wee 0:17:04.053 --> 0:17:07.453 bit more aggressive on that particular pitch in order to 0:17:07.613 --> 0:17:12.093 break the bowler's line up. Particularly the one time we 0:17:12.213 --> 0:17:16.333 did that was when Jamison was batting in the first innings. Yes, 0:17:16.413 --> 0:17:19.253 he did slog a bit, but what it brought about 0:17:19.413 --> 0:17:22.013 was a short pitched attack. If you saw that, and 0:17:22.253 --> 0:17:24.413 and on a pitch that was bringing this you know, 0:17:24.653 --> 0:17:27.733 LBWs in bold and the stumps into play so much 0:17:28.013 --> 0:17:31.253 when they went to a short pitched attack, that was 0:17:31.373 --> 0:17:34.773 taken completely out of play. So I thought that Jamison 0:17:34.813 --> 0:17:36.493 did a good job there and we got a little 0:17:36.533 --> 0:17:39.413 look at how you might play, and Brooke did it 0:17:39.493 --> 0:17:43.533 as well to a certain extent for England. And if 0:17:43.573 --> 0:17:46.493 we had bought him, you know, then it was the 0:17:46.613 --> 0:17:49.293 catchers that really cost us in that match. 0:17:49.373 --> 0:17:52.813 I think a number of factors. I agree with that. 0:17:53.333 --> 0:17:56.933 But Jamison was good because he took them, he took 0:17:56.973 --> 0:18:03.093 them off off that dangerous length and it was, I 0:18:03.173 --> 0:18:05.533 mean good on them and and I suppose that's why 0:18:05.573 --> 0:18:10.533 we're betting betting deeper down. Thought again, Smith was showed 0:18:10.653 --> 0:18:13.133 show good form on a difficult wicket and got out 0:18:13.213 --> 0:18:17.893 to a couple of good ones, which, ye as you said, Jery, 0:18:18.693 --> 0:18:20.173 there was always going to be one with your name 0:18:20.253 --> 0:18:24.733 on it. But I was quite heartened by those two 0:18:24.813 --> 0:18:26.613 down down the bottom of the not least of which 0:18:26.653 --> 0:18:30.733 they're bowling, of course. But I think you're right because 0:18:30.733 --> 0:18:33.173 I don't think Blundle, although we've got that big hundred 0:18:33.173 --> 0:18:36.453 against Ireland, I think i'd rather see him down at 0:18:36.533 --> 0:18:38.773 seven and maybe Phillips because he seems to be in 0:18:38.813 --> 0:18:42.653 reasonable neck, so i'd be pushing him up as you suggested. 0:18:42.773 --> 0:18:46.733 And good point on that call around Young was I 0:18:46.773 --> 0:18:49.293 think you've got to break that up and have having 0:18:49.493 --> 0:18:51.733 having a right handed coming in at three I think 0:18:51.853 --> 0:18:55.973 is a smart move against what will be quite a 0:18:56.093 --> 0:18:59.693 different attack this time at the Oval. 0:19:00.293 --> 0:19:01.453 Well what are they going to have? 0:19:01.773 --> 0:19:02.053 Jerry? 0:19:02.093 --> 0:19:05.093 You know these players more than I do, Baker. People 0:19:05.133 --> 0:19:07.573 were saying, you know Baker, who or what, I don't 0:19:07.613 --> 0:19:11.813 even know what is first? Naghbor Is and Cox, Jordan Cox, 0:19:12.213 --> 0:19:15.653 Fisher and Archer. That's a hell of a replacement list. 0:19:16.093 --> 0:19:20.893 Yeah, completely different bowling lineup that Archer will be okay it, 0:19:21.213 --> 0:19:24.933 but the question will be for how long and he'll 0:19:25.013 --> 0:19:29.813 probably open the bowling maybe even with tongue. Fisher is 0:19:29.933 --> 0:19:34.173 from from the Oval. He plays for Surrey. He's played 0:19:34.213 --> 0:19:37.733 one Test already, Baker hasn't played any So Sonny Baker 0:19:38.093 --> 0:19:41.733 quickish swings it away from the right handed the same 0:19:41.773 --> 0:19:44.973 as Archer does. So that doesn't in a way make 0:19:45.093 --> 0:19:48.773 sense to me. You want a difference, don't you so 0:19:49.013 --> 0:19:52.413 whether he will be held back to come in after 0:19:52.653 --> 0:19:55.893 Archer and then Fisher is probably the only number three. 0:19:55.973 --> 0:19:58.533 The tongue is a dangerous bowler wherever he bowls, Guys, 0:19:59.973 --> 0:20:04.293 he's difficult. Just don't forget. If our top order do 0:20:04.533 --> 0:20:07.973 their job, runs are possible at the Oval. I know 0:20:08.053 --> 0:20:11.093 there are only four day games the County Championship, but 0:20:11.213 --> 0:20:13.813 when they've played this year, they've played four games there. 0:20:14.013 --> 0:20:20.093 Surrey Surrey five twenty, Leicestershire's six ninety one, Surrey two 0:20:20.213 --> 0:20:24.253 sixty three for two end of game draw Essex Essex 0:20:24.373 --> 0:20:27.493 four hundred and nine Surrey four seventy two, Essex three 0:20:27.573 --> 0:20:31.013 hundred and two draw, end of game. You know, in 0:20:31.093 --> 0:20:35.333 the last game Hampshire Surrey four twenty one, Hampshire were 0:20:35.373 --> 0:20:38.053 one thirty one seventy three for six and made three 0:20:38.173 --> 0:20:41.413 hundred and thirty three and two ninety five for five 0:20:41.653 --> 0:20:44.973 end of game draw. The only result they've had there 0:20:45.053 --> 0:20:48.853 is against Sussex, who who was something like eighty two 0:20:48.973 --> 0:20:52.133 for seven and then the number eight and number ten 0:20:52.253 --> 0:20:57.533 got hundreds. They made three fifty eight for nine Surrey 0:20:57.653 --> 0:21:00.373 six hundred and twenty two. You can see what I'm saying, 0:21:00.453 --> 0:21:05.773 can't you. Yeah, runs are possible run so that basically 0:21:05.893 --> 0:21:08.773 what I'm saying is taking twenty wickets on this ground 0:21:08.933 --> 0:21:12.293 is difficult in four days. We'll just have to wait 0:21:12.333 --> 0:21:18.053 and see about five. So hold your catchers in conditions 0:21:18.093 --> 0:21:21.213 where it's hard to take wickets. They will be critical. 0:21:21.613 --> 0:21:26.133 Get your depths right from the batsman. Second runs are 0:21:26.293 --> 0:21:30.573 there if you bat sensibly, if you win the toss, 0:21:31.093 --> 0:21:33.773 you will find that. Guys. When you look tomorrow, I'm 0:21:33.853 --> 0:21:37.733 expecting it to be pretty green because the bounce hasn't 0:21:37.773 --> 0:21:41.293 been there and therefore they will supply grass as a 0:21:41.373 --> 0:21:45.293 possibility to give the bowlers something very few overs of 0:21:45.413 --> 0:21:50.213 spin and little help for the slower bowler. So those 0:21:50.293 --> 0:21:53.613 are the kind of things I think. If your top 0:21:53.773 --> 0:21:57.213 order do the job and don't get out, three four 0:21:57.333 --> 0:22:00.213 hundred is possible and beyond. 0:22:00.733 --> 0:22:02.693 So does that mean we include Santana? 0:22:02.973 --> 0:22:06.893 Well that's something. Well who four was is? 0:22:06.973 --> 0:22:07.213 Really? 0:22:07.333 --> 0:22:11.653 I suppose that's what I'm thinking, because the seamers, unless 0:22:11.693 --> 0:22:13.493 it's Henry, I don't know how fit he is. He 0:22:13.573 --> 0:22:16.653 has trained with the side, but you know you wouldn't 0:22:16.853 --> 0:22:20.693 drop him as such. But you know England have gone 0:22:20.733 --> 0:22:24.613 in without spinners. They're going to rely on the Bethel 0:22:24.733 --> 0:22:27.893 and Root as their spinners in the Test match. So 0:22:28.093 --> 0:22:29.853 is it going to be seen VCM again? 0:22:30.173 --> 0:22:32.813 It will be for Seamas, I would say. And so 0:22:33.253 --> 0:22:35.693 who would you drop anyway? If Henry is fit and 0:22:35.813 --> 0:22:39.533 he started okay, he wasn't quite the same when he 0:22:39.693 --> 0:22:43.093 was came back from the back spasm bold a few overs, 0:22:43.373 --> 0:22:45.893 the got the sort of the worm burner through and 0:22:45.973 --> 0:22:48.573 got Bethel out, but he looked to be he didn't 0:22:48.613 --> 0:22:51.253 look to be his back causing him real problems to me, 0:22:51.333 --> 0:22:53.693 and he's had what nine days something like that to 0:22:53.773 --> 0:22:56.813 get get it right. Let's hope that is right. If 0:22:56.853 --> 0:22:59.933 it is, he will play. O'Rourke will play. I thought 0:22:59.973 --> 0:23:02.413 he looked the dangerous but most dangerous for New Zealand. 0:23:03.013 --> 0:23:06.733 Jamison swings it. Well done him getting the wickets in 0:23:06.773 --> 0:23:09.973 the first innings and then Smith and the second innings. 0:23:10.533 --> 0:23:13.133 I don't know which of those you would drop. Might 0:23:13.213 --> 0:23:15.893 be even Jamison if you wanted Sentina for the batting, 0:23:16.293 --> 0:23:19.213 I don't know. But Smith can bat. It's just a 0:23:19.333 --> 0:23:22.013 question of you know, those other batsmen ahead of him, 0:23:22.893 --> 0:23:25.693 seeing a lot of the of the you know, the 0:23:25.773 --> 0:23:27.773 aggression out of the English bowlers. 0:23:28.373 --> 0:23:30.093 Well then New Zealand will just have to do what 0:23:30.253 --> 0:23:32.373 England are doing and it'll be Phillip's revender if they 0:23:32.453 --> 0:23:37.333 need spin on the deck, I suppose correct. Yeah, so 0:23:37.893 --> 0:23:38.693