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Speaker 3: Hello on the Front Foot timed out. Kay Williamson retires
Speaker 3: mid series in England and immediately the debate rages on
Speaker 3: is he our greatest cricketer? Stokes stumbles to a mid
Speaker 3: nightclub dismissal. What's the future at the age of thirty five?
Speaker 5: Unfortunately our fielding that us down and it's just a
Speaker 5: really bad office for as a.
Speaker 3: Bad day at the office cost the White Pans the
Speaker 3: semi final verse of World t twenty already, goodness, greatest me.
Speaker 3: We'll discuss that on the Front Foot with Jeremy Coney
Speaker 3: and Peter Hollands, and you guys were catching up at
Speaker 3: the Lord's Test. How did the social evening go? Guys?
Speaker 2: It didn't once because of my my stumble in the
Speaker 2: Netherlands where I was riding a bike back from the
Speaker 2: train station. Things went pear shape. So we never called.
Speaker 4: No, we didn't. I was I sort of saw motion
Speaker 4: my mind, hopping his way towards Lords and the game
Speaker 4: was over so quickly. He didn't make it.
Speaker 3: You would have had to be quick to catch up
Speaker 3: with each other. It was only last nine hundred and
Speaker 3: ninety six balls, goodness, greatest me, and they had to
Speaker 3: advise us that the pitch was unsatisfactory. I think we
Speaker 3: knew that before the ICC told us, isn't we.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing because I was actually at Lord's
Speaker 2: about two weeks earlier and watching Middlesex Derbyshire, and in fact,
Speaker 2: I'm gay you got one hundred and that match just
Speaker 2: by the way. But the wicket didn't seem to be
Speaker 2: any wine air as treacherous.
Speaker 4: Major.
Speaker 2: It was canty bowlers and it was the second division,
Speaker 2: if you will, but it didn't seem any winner as treachers.
Speaker 2: In fact, if anything, it was probably keeping relatively flat
Speaker 2: and light because it had just come through a period
Speaker 2: of quite quite decent weather in May. So then to
Speaker 2: turn up literally two weeks later with that is. That
Speaker 2: sort of wicket was head scratcher, to say the very least.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. They used a different technique, And
Speaker 4: what I can't understand is why did they use not
Speaker 4: try this new technique before the Test match on a
Speaker 4: county pitch. We often do this, don't we. They're talking
Speaker 4: about trialing a p ball, aren't they, at the moment,
Speaker 4: But give it a decent go before we're surprised by
Speaker 4: these things. I think personally, they steamed it at two
Speaker 4: hundred degrees and it kills off all the bugs and
Speaker 4: all the stuff between the grass. I went out and
Speaker 4: it actually looked like Jeffrey Boycott's when he put in
Speaker 4: those new plugs of hair, you know, rounders, and there
Speaker 4: was nothing in between them, so and that looked That's
Speaker 4: what the grass looked like. It was an extraordinary looking
Speaker 4: pitch when you got up close, so I don't know
Speaker 4: whether that contributed to it or not, but it certainly
Speaker 4: was up and down and seeming as well, so difficult
Speaker 4: for the batsman. You couldn't say much about the batting.
Speaker 4: So we're kind of starting again, aren't we, In the
Speaker 4: first Test. We're in a couple of days, Yes, indeed,
Speaker 4: the only.
Speaker 2: Thing that I'm happy for is that we get a
Speaker 2: couple of bottles, get on the on the honors board
Speaker 2: and you know Nathan Smith in particular, so I'm very
Speaker 2: thrilled for them, but it rather cheated spectators at a
Speaker 2: wonderful venue where everything is literally I mean, it's a
Speaker 2: great place to go and watch cricket. It just robbed
Speaker 2: the public a couple of extra days of decent cricket,
Speaker 2: which everyone should be really disappointed about.
Speaker 4: As Yeah, I spoke to a guy called Rob Lynch,
Speaker 4: who was you know, on the media night and that
Speaker 4: sort of thing. He's the guy actually in charge of
Speaker 4: the groundsman and he came over to me. He was
Speaker 4: almost he was so apologetic about the surface and you're right, Moose,
Speaker 4: is such a good lot of things around that you
Speaker 4: can do around the ground, but that those twenty two
Speaker 4: yards they are the most critical thing that you can
Speaker 4: possibly have in the entire ground. They've got a plan
Speaker 4: for the future. It involves all the trays, you know
Speaker 4: that we have an en park and bringing them from
Speaker 4: the nursery ground out to the main ground and then
Speaker 4: they'll have to embed them of course on a slope
Speaker 4: on a slight slope, and so that will be pretty
Speaker 4: tricky how they how they go about that. They're going
Speaker 4: to have three of them and they're going to use
Speaker 4: them for two years before they start. So they've got
Speaker 4: a very interesting couple of years ahead of them about
Speaker 4: what they're going to do about that Lord's Test.
Speaker 2: Because when you look at the look at lords, the
Speaker 2: block so called as we used to refer to, it
Speaker 2: literally goes almost to cross the entire ground, you know,
Speaker 2: because you know, I guess when they play eaton and
Speaker 2: harrow they ride out over on the on the left
Speaker 2: edge or whatever it is. But but it's just how
Speaker 2: they haven't haven't got that that right, and to do
Speaker 2: what they did is it's just baffling, you know. And
Speaker 2: as I said, there's such a wonderful place to watch
Speaker 2: cricket because you're really close to the close to the action.
Speaker 2: Everything else side of it is wonderful. It's just a
Speaker 2: fantastic and I love the nursery ground too when you're there.
Speaker 3: It seemed to be the venue for Cain Williamson's retirement speech,
Speaker 3: well if you could call it a speech, he announced
Speaker 3: his retirement, not a Test match, to go out on
Speaker 3: a Lord's test heavily beaten a poor individual performance by
Speaker 3: his standards. I guess the retirement wasn't the surprise. The
Speaker 3: timing of it was the middle of an important series
Speaker 3: and their announcement was so matter of fact, I'm retiring
Speaker 3: as of now, that's it gone, and I presume that's
Speaker 3: the way it is. Jerry's pactice bags.
Speaker 4: And moved on. Yeah, he has. I agree with you
Speaker 4: slightly about the timing of it. Fantastic player for New Zealand. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean we can talk about that ad nauseum really
Speaker 4: over a long period. But I was I was a
Speaker 4: bit maybe maybe I'm just a bit a bit older
Speaker 4: than our wads, but I and Moose I thought it
Speaker 4: was sort of new wave speak. And he if he
Speaker 4: asked every player in the New Zealand cricket squad, none
Speaker 4: of them, I guarantee you would have said Kane's just
Speaker 4: clinging on, because those are the words he used. I
Speaker 4: don't want to stay in this team, clinging on on
Speaker 4: the team sheet. You know, none of them would say that,
Speaker 4: or they that he hasn't given the commitment required any longer.
Speaker 4: You know, basically I would say that they're better off
Speaker 4: having him there. And I think probably most cricket followers
Speaker 4: would say that, wouldn't they just just having him round
Speaker 4: even to say a few words here or there in
Speaker 4: the changing room to players or assess the conditions or
Speaker 4: you know, he's he's probably regarded as one of the
Speaker 4: better players of doing that. So I think he's just
Speaker 4: good news in the shed anyway, you know. And if
Speaker 4: he was sitting on the Lord's balcony and suddenly came
Speaker 4: to a realization, I don't think it's sudden, frankly, when
Speaker 4: you're thinking about retiring after sixteen years of playing and
Speaker 4: that he can't do it anymore. You know, if he
Speaker 4: had just said, look I can't, I'm gone, I'm done,
Speaker 4: I could understand that. Yet to stay, he was stepping
Speaker 4: away knowing he was still worth his place in the team,
Speaker 4: rather than clinging on. Those were his actual words, you know.
Speaker 4: And Ian it was very low key when he invited
Speaker 4: the press and you know, a cup of tea, come
Speaker 4: and have a cup of coffee and a chat and
Speaker 4: a couple of custard creams with me. You know, it
Speaker 4: was that was what it was. That was the tone.
Speaker 4: But no one thought or felt, you know that he
Speaker 4: was clinging on at all. I mean, if you look
Speaker 4: at the way he has been doing things. Didn't sign
Speaker 4: a twenty twenty four contract, He's missed other international series.
Speaker 4: You know, didn't play against India when they won three nil,
Speaker 4: didn't play against Zimbabwe, and you know that he pulled
Speaker 4: out of T twenty cricket, and he has been the
Speaker 4: last two months and a you know, advisor to LSG
Speaker 4: and the IPL. These are all things that's saying he's
Speaker 4: moving on, and that's absolutely fine. No one was really
Speaker 4: angry about that. I just felt after saying, yep, I'm
Speaker 4: going to play the three Tests in England. Why pull
Speaker 4: out after the first one You've only got two weeks
Speaker 4: to go, two weeks after sixteen years. I don't know
Speaker 4: what you guys feel about all that, but I just
Speaker 4: felt he didn't need to do it. Frankly, if he
Speaker 4: cares so much about the team, which is what he says,
Speaker 4: I care greatly about this team, then out your play
Speaker 4: out your last two weeks.
Speaker 2: I would say that what he wasn't doing, he wasn't
Speaker 2: doing a Saudi and and and on a job interview
Speaker 2: tour as as Soudy was back in back when the
Speaker 2: England were out here a few years ago by any
Speaker 2: stretch of the margin. And that's not his style either,
Speaker 2: but I I mean there was in that second innings
Speaker 2: there was a bit of vintage Williamson where he puts
Speaker 2: one of the quick backward a point with you know,
Speaker 2: with time and the grace that we we we grow
Speaker 2: grew to admire him enormously and and ge was you know,
Speaker 2: I thought, oh you look good there. Yeah, you had time.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was just a fact of the fact that
Speaker 2: he was just got out, he eling got smashed, he's
Speaker 2: feeling abouit flat, and then made a rather hasty decision
Speaker 2: which you can't you can't walk back, but pulling all
Speaker 2: that to one side. And I don't want to pick
Speaker 2: pick winners and lose us here. But he's got to
Speaker 2: be go down there as one of our one of
Speaker 2: our greatest, without any alongside M. D. Crow and Jay Handley,
Speaker 2: you know, and the rest of second Yeah, between them,
Speaker 2: if you're a fair point.
Speaker 3: And he's left us with a lot of memories and
Speaker 3: those we can look at at some point in the
Speaker 3: future because it's been a real moment of reflection for
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and remembering some of his very
Speaker 3: best innings. I just remember the joy of winning that
Speaker 3: World Test Championship and he and Ross Taylor were out
Speaker 3: in the middle together, yes, and they won that game,
Speaker 3: you know, and they were only innings of what forty
Speaker 3: forty five or forty nine and fifty two I think
Speaker 3: were the titles that he scored. But I was lucky
Speaker 3: enough to see his first Test innings. He scored one
Speaker 3: hundred in arm and Abad and that just confirmed that
Speaker 3: he was going to be a star of the future
Speaker 3: when that happened, and you know, he was a good player.
Speaker 3: And we might just reflect on some of those innings
Speaker 3: on a future program because he's left us with a
Speaker 3: lot of those memories. My real question now is his replacement.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: They've had replacements for him in the past, because, as
Speaker 3: you said, Jerry, he's been unavailable, he's been injured. Who's
Speaker 3: going to get that role? Is it Rutch and Ravender?
Speaker 3: Is it his time to step up? Or is it
Speaker 3: going to be either Nichols or Young who? I guess
Speaker 3: it has to be Nichols because he was chosen ahead
Speaker 3: of Young for this tour party.
Speaker 4: Jerry, Well, I agree with you in the sense you
Speaker 4: haven't mentioned Ravendra. I don't think he's four, sorry three.
Speaker 4: I think he's more of a four and that's where
Speaker 4: he should stay. He's more of an aggression player and
Speaker 4: rather than the defensively oriented player. Really, if he tries
Speaker 4: to play defensively, he tends to get caught in the slips,
Speaker 4: doesn't he to Nickoff? So I think he's four and
Speaker 4: you you know you mentioned the two that it's between.
Speaker 4: I don't know. The team hasn't been announced yet, Fellas,
Speaker 4: so I don't know who it's going to be. I
Speaker 4: know that you know Young has batted three more recently
Speaker 4: for New Zealand. Nichols has tended to be more four
Speaker 4: or five six that kind of area, although he has
Speaker 4: played three for Canterbury, hasn't he So I'm not sure
Speaker 4: what they'll do there. Personally I would plump for Young,
Speaker 4: but whether they feel the same way, I have no idea.
Speaker 4: And I'm only plumping for Young because I've seen him
Speaker 4: bat at three. I've seen him handle things. He hasn't
Speaker 4: scored lots of runs yet, but Nora is Latham and
Speaker 4: you could say Naura has you know, Conway scored lots recently?
Speaker 4: Have they? They're not that that's our problem at the moment.
Speaker 4: Those top three are our problem. We've got to get
Speaker 4: and protect that middle order so they are able to
Speaker 4: score the runs well.
Speaker 2: On that point, and middle order hasn't been and and
Speaker 2: and the greatest of shape Mitchell after you know, a
Speaker 2: wonderful time a few years ago, hasn't really been producing
Speaker 2: the runs that we were hoping of them either. So
Speaker 2: there's there's there's a lack of form pretty much through
Speaker 2: that through through the batting order. And to see no
Speaker 2: one they're particularly standing up. And as you say, Ravendra
Speaker 2: does neck out and unless he gets settled in. So
Speaker 2: I'd rather see him at four or five. And I
Speaker 2: think that that that whole whole view around your best
Speaker 2: batter bats at three is something of the past. I
Speaker 2: don't see that anymore. And therefore I think for those
Speaker 2: for that sort of reason, I think Revendro stays where
Speaker 2: he is, but we need to get more out. I'm
Speaker 2: with you, Jerry. I'd rather see Young, but I think
Speaker 2: they'll go with old mate Harvey Nichols from from Kensington.
Speaker 3: Well, I would I go for Young strangely because he's
Speaker 3: a right hander. If we bring Nicholson, then we've got
Speaker 3: four left handers. Does that? Does that make a point.
Speaker 2: Very much?
Speaker 4: The final numbers, certainly it does. I think you've got
Speaker 4: to break You've got to break them up as much
Speaker 4: as possible, at least force the bowl to either change
Speaker 4: the side they bowl or bowl a different line.
Speaker 3: Can I bring another point in as well? What it
Speaker 3: was heard during the Test match that the suggestion is
Speaker 3: that Phillips should come up higher in the order. I
Speaker 3: don't see him as a three, but should he be higher.
Speaker 2: In the order swep him with bundle?
Speaker 4: Well, you can't go you suggesting he comes up to
Speaker 4: where it was not just up to six. You're saying,
Speaker 4: or you're going to go push him further up.
Speaker 3: Well no, I don't think you can push him further
Speaker 3: up unless you want to push Saint Mitchell down one more.
Speaker 3: But he's been the key run getter in the past.
Speaker 3: Lett alone the failures of that Test match, but I
Speaker 3: don't think we got the best out of Phillips because
Speaker 3: he was batting with the tail all the way through.
Speaker 3: I know you have to do that, but he was
Speaker 3: probably the most effective run scorer apart from Jamison's baseball
Speaker 3: play in that testment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I pushed a little bit for him to be elevated,
Speaker 4: but that was only because of the conditions on the surface.
Speaker 4: When you're losing a wicket every four four overs, twenty
Speaker 4: five balls something like that, you need to obviously maximize
Speaker 4: the number of runs you can possibly score before the
Speaker 4: ball comes along with your name on it. So I
Speaker 4: was keen to elevate him as a possibility to be
Speaker 4: a bit more aggressive. You had to be a wee
Speaker 4: bit more aggressive on that particular pitch in order to
Speaker 4: break the bowler's line up. Particularly the one time we
Speaker 4: did that was when Jamison was batting in the first innings. Yes,
Speaker 4: he did slog a bit, but what it brought about
Speaker 4: was a short pitched attack. If you saw that, and
Speaker 4: and on a pitch that was bringing this you know,
Speaker 4: LBWs in bold and the stumps into play so much
Speaker 4: when they went to a short pitched attack, that was
Speaker 4: taken completely out of play. So I thought that Jamison
Speaker 4: did a good job there and we got a little
Speaker 4: look at how you might play, and Brooke did it
Speaker 4: as well to a certain extent for England. And if
Speaker 4: we had bought him, you know, then it was the
Speaker 4: catchers that really cost us in that match.
Speaker 2: I think a number of factors. I agree with that.
Speaker 2: But Jamison was good because he took them, he took
Speaker 2: them off off that dangerous length and it was, I
Speaker 2: mean good on them and and I suppose that's why
Speaker 2: we're betting betting deeper down. Thought again, Smith was showed
Speaker 2: show good form on a difficult wicket and got out
Speaker 2: to a couple of good ones, which, ye as you said, Jery,
Speaker 2: there was always going to be one with your name
Speaker 2: on it. But I was quite heartened by those two
Speaker 2: down down the bottom of the not least of which
Speaker 2: they're bowling, of course. But I think you're right because
Speaker 2: I don't think Blundle, although we've got that big hundred
Speaker 2: against Ireland, I think i'd rather see him down at
Speaker 2: seven and maybe Phillips because he seems to be in
Speaker 2: reasonable neck, so i'd be pushing him up as you suggested.
Speaker 2: And good point on that call around Young was I
Speaker 2: think you've got to break that up and have having
Speaker 2: having a right handed coming in at three I think
Speaker 2: is a smart move against what will be quite a
Speaker 2: different attack this time at the Oval.
Speaker 3: Well what are they going to have?
Speaker 2: Jerry?
Speaker 3: You know these players more than I do, Baker. People
Speaker 3: were saying, you know Baker, who or what, I don't
Speaker 3: even know what is first? Naghbor Is and Cox, Jordan Cox,
Speaker 3: Fisher and Archer. That's a hell of a replacement list.
Speaker 4: Yeah, completely different bowling lineup that Archer will be okay it,
Speaker 4: but the question will be for how long and he'll
Speaker 4: probably open the bowling maybe even with tongue. Fisher is
Speaker 4: from from the Oval. He plays for Surrey. He's played
Speaker 4: one Test already, Baker hasn't played any So Sonny Baker
Speaker 4: quickish swings it away from the right handed the same
Speaker 4: as Archer does. So that doesn't in a way make
Speaker 4: sense to me. You want a difference, don't you so
Speaker 4: whether he will be held back to come in after
Speaker 4: Archer and then Fisher is probably the only number three.
Speaker 4: The tongue is a dangerous bowler wherever he bowls, Guys,
Speaker 4: he's difficult. Just don't forget. If our top order do
Speaker 4: their job, runs are possible at the Oval. I know
Speaker 4: there are only four day games the County Championship, but
Speaker 4: when they've played this year, they've played four games there.
Speaker 4: Surrey Surrey five twenty, Leicestershire's six ninety one, Surrey two
Speaker 4: sixty three for two end of game draw Essex Essex
Speaker 4: four hundred and nine Surrey four seventy two, Essex three
Speaker 4: hundred and two draw, end of game. You know, in
Speaker 4: the last game Hampshire Surrey four twenty one, Hampshire were
Speaker 4: one thirty one seventy three for six and made three
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty three and two ninety five for five
Speaker 4: end of game draw. The only result they've had there
Speaker 4: is against Sussex, who who was something like eighty two
Speaker 4: for seven and then the number eight and number ten
Speaker 4: got hundreds. They made three fifty eight for nine Surrey
Speaker 4: six hundred and twenty two. You can see what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: can't you. Yeah, runs are possible run so that basically
Speaker 4: what I'm saying is taking twenty wickets on this ground
Speaker 4: is difficult in four days. We'll just have to wait
Speaker 4: and see about five. So hold your catchers in conditions
Speaker 4: where it's hard to take wickets. They will be critical.
Speaker 4: Get your depths right from the batsman. Second runs are
Speaker 4: there if you bat sensibly, if you win the toss,
Speaker 4: you will find that. Guys. When you look tomorrow, I'm
Speaker 4: expecting it to be pretty green because the bounce hasn't
Speaker 4: been there and therefore they will supply grass as a
Speaker 4: possibility to give the bowlers something very few overs of
Speaker 4: spin and little help for the slower bowler. So those
Speaker 4: are the kind of things I think. If your top
Speaker 4: order do the job and don't get out, three four
Speaker 4: hundred is possible and beyond.
Speaker 3: So does that mean we include Santana?
Speaker 4: Well that's something. Well who four was is?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: I suppose that's what I'm thinking, because the seamers, unless
Speaker 3: it's Henry, I don't know how fit he is. He
Speaker 3: has trained with the side, but you know you wouldn't
Speaker 3: drop him as such. But you know England have gone
Speaker 3: in without spinners. They're going to rely on the Bethel
Speaker 3: and Root as their spinners in the Test match. So
Speaker 3: is it going to be seen VCM again?
Speaker 4: It will be for Seamas, I would say. And so
Speaker 4: who would you drop anyway? If Henry is fit and
Speaker 4: he started okay, he wasn't quite the same when he
Speaker 4: was came back from the back spasm bold a few overs,
Speaker 4: the got the sort of the worm burner through and
Speaker 4: got Bethel out, but he looked to be he didn't
Speaker 4: look to be his back causing him real problems to me,
Speaker 4: and he's had what nine days something like that to
Speaker 4: get get it right. Let's hope that is right. If
Speaker 4: it is, he will play. O'Rourke will play. I thought
Speaker 4: he looked the dangerous but most dangerous for New Zealand.
Speaker 4: Jamison swings it. Well done him getting the wickets in
Speaker 4: the first innings and then Smith and the second innings.
Speaker 4: I don't know which of those you would drop. Might
Speaker 4: be even Jamison if you wanted Sentina for the batting,
Speaker 4: I don't know. But Smith can bat. It's just a
Speaker 4: question of you know, those other batsmen ahead of him,
Speaker 4: seeing a lot of the of the you know, the
Speaker 4: aggression out of the English bowlers.
Speaker 3: Well then New Zealand will just have to do what
Speaker 3: England are doing and it'll be Phillip's revender if they
Speaker 3: need spin on the deck, I suppose correct. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: an interesting.
Speaker 4: Well, look I think the I think the captain is
Speaker 4: an interesting one too, isn't it. Let's just imagine Joe Root,
Speaker 4: who's on you know, he's he's had a few days,
Speaker 4: he's out playing a bit of golf and that sort
Speaker 4: of thing, and he's on the par three's and he's
Speaker 4: pulling out his five iron and Bes rings him on
Speaker 4: the phone. McCullum rings him on the for Joe, Joe,
Speaker 4: we love you, you know where we're always grateful, You're
Speaker 4: always so nice. I don't really want to make you
Speaker 4: know the shot more difficult for you, but please, you know,
Speaker 4: could you just give us five days? Well we didn't
Speaker 4: even get that long in the first test, did we, Joe, Joe,
Speaker 4: name your price.
Speaker 2: Boy.
Speaker 4: You know we're in a spot of bother. We know Stokes,
Speaker 4: he's gone and he's been banned. We can't go with
Speaker 4: Harry because you know he was the cause of the
Speaker 4: curfew in the first place. You know, you can just
Speaker 4: imagine the press asking him a question. You know what
Speaker 4: an irony, Harry. You know you were under the weather
Speaker 4: in New Zealand for a few hours before or an
Speaker 4: od I and here, yeah, captain, and you were the
Speaker 4: reason for the curfew in the first place. Well, dear me.
Speaker 4: And then of course they look at the County Championship
Speaker 4: and come up and who's another captain and the team
Speaker 4: Ollie Robinson for Sussex. Well, let's be honest, he's injured
Speaker 4: and not on the radar. Then you go to Jacob
Speaker 4: Bethel he's a long term prospect. But really he was
Speaker 4: alongside Harry and Josh and New Zealand on the nightclub incident,
Speaker 4: so we can't ask him then. It really is quite
Speaker 4: a joke. And then there's Ben, you know, Ben Duckett,
Speaker 4: but he had a trouble and looser finding his way home.
Speaker 4: What about Joffra? Joffra of course hasn't played for about
Speaker 4: five months. Joe, Joe, name your price? Do you want
Speaker 4: a house? You know? I mean really they had no
Speaker 4: other option in the entire eleven that they could ask.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, just do it for three days, Joe,
Speaker 4: you'll be fine.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of tongue in check there, Jerry.
Speaker 2: But well there is, of course there was. It's hard
Speaker 2: not to it's hard not to rebut that, frankly is it,
Speaker 2: because that's where they are and it's what I find
Speaker 2: so remarkable though it is in the space of that
Speaker 2: after that test we'll have a test team from England
Speaker 2: which is almost unrecognizable from the one that they went out,
Speaker 2: and what does at Lord's or possibly Robinson gone by
Speaker 2: the way. I think that's that's that's I thought he
Speaker 2: was very very very good, albeit on a very helpful
Speaker 2: wicked But you when you had ham out your archer
Speaker 2: who's been basically on leave and you know, for some
Speaker 2: reason couldn't be around for the first test at Lord's.
Speaker 2: So he hasn't got overs in him, has he? So
Speaker 2: if it's one of those flat decks at the Oval, Jerry,
Speaker 2: I wonder how many how many spells are you going
Speaker 2: to get out of him? Then you've got some debutantes
Speaker 2: coming in there, and that's that's always pretty interesting. So
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I you know, New Zealand should
Speaker 2: be backing themselves in here, far from feeling a little
Speaker 2: bit sort of under the weather, having been beaten so comprehensively.
Speaker 2: It's a really interesting prospect coming up.
Speaker 3: Really, My only question is Jerry, why was he playing
Speaker 3: a five iron on a par three.
Speaker 4: It's a long part and he's not and he doesn't
Speaker 4: have to drop his trousers if he doesn't reach the
Speaker 4: lady's tea once, so you'll be he'll be okay, don't
Speaker 4: worry about. That's the rules have most and poor old
Speaker 4: Wads would be out there luckily about sort of quarter
Speaker 4: to six in the morning. No one around Wads is
Speaker 4: about to drop his trousers to play his second and
Speaker 4: on coome all the sprinklers.
Speaker 3: That sounds like taraniki.
Speaker 4: Oh dear, what I had about five or six teams
Speaker 4: you could possibly play for England with a Smith. Smith
Speaker 4: is another little question mark because his second child is
Speaker 4: due and if he doesn't play, then you might find
Speaker 4: rou who's a keeper using as a batsman to play
Speaker 4: at six and then clocks as another batsman and he
Speaker 4: would be the keeper for that in that case. So
Speaker 4: there are still a couple of questions. At the latest moment,
Speaker 4: we could have Smith's unavailable as well.
Speaker 2: See that that's where its an extra bit of there,
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does.
Speaker 3: Yep, we'll have to wait and see. It's not too
Speaker 3: far away. So they've confirmed their eleven, but that might
Speaker 3: change still And just before we go, there's a bit
Speaker 3: of Ben Stokes still to be discussed and I guess
Speaker 3: that will be for the future woned in terms of
Speaker 3: Stokes's position in the England side.
Speaker 4: Jerry McCallum had a talk to the media today and
Speaker 4: he said I'm worried about Ben and he said no
Speaker 4: more and I think that that's fine. But there's a
Speaker 4: part for me that is missing, and the part that
Speaker 4: was missing was, of course we're all worried, you know,
Speaker 4: they're worried about him. How's he feeling. He has been
Speaker 4: practicing with Durham, so it looks as though he might play,
Speaker 4: and he's keen to send that message. But really the
Speaker 4: whole thing was Ben's our captain. He is our captain.
Speaker 4: He's been that for the last four years. We're looking
Speaker 4: forward to him coming back in Trent at trent Bridge
Speaker 4: and all that kind of line of thinking to reassure
Speaker 4: Ben Stokes even though his performances are falling slightly with
Speaker 4: the bat in particular, he didn't bowl many overs at Lord's.
Speaker 4: You know they had enough bowling anyway, didn't they. But look,
Speaker 4: I just think it's not a way to treat someone
Speaker 4: who actually is the best captain they've got at the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very interesting situation that they are in.
Speaker 3: He's thirty five years of age. How much longer has
Speaker 3: he got playing wise? But he's still the best captain
Speaker 3: they have available.
Speaker 2: Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3: We finish off this week with the white Ferns and
Speaker 3: the message that I suppose Jerry gave a little bit
Speaker 3: earlier about the Black Caps making their catchers count, well,
Speaker 3: it could be the same for the White Ferns. They
Speaker 3: won't make the semi final of the World T twenty
Speaker 3: unless they learned to catch. Maddie Green says it was
Speaker 3: obvious where they went wrong in the game against the
Speaker 3: West Indies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I thought, you know, we put a competitive
Speaker 5: total on the board and unfortunately our fielding let us down.
Speaker 5: It was just a really bad the office for the group.
Speaker 5: But you know, we've got no choice but to move
Speaker 5: on really quickly and obviously address a couple of things
Speaker 5: leading into the next game. But look, just one of
Speaker 5: those days that just yeah, it didn't happen to go away,
Speaker 5: and you know, we're really disappointed as a group. We
Speaker 5: set really high standards for ourselves in the field, and yeah,
Speaker 5: it was really disappointing. But you know, I think I
Speaker 5: look back to the last two twenty World Cup and
Speaker 5: you know we fielded. We're probably one of the best
Speaker 5: fielding sides in that tournam so we know it's there.
Speaker 5: It's just, as I said, a really bad day at
Speaker 5: the office and we've got to move on quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think it's about just trying to move on really
Speaker 5: quickly and focus on the next four and you know,
Speaker 5: easier said than done sometimes obviously. But here Lock dropped
Speaker 5: one of my own early on against Hailey, and everyone
Speaker 5: out there today on both sides has drop catches over
Speaker 5: their career, and we'll probably drop more unfortunately, that's just
Speaker 5: how the game goes. But yeah, we sit really high
Speaker 5: centers for ourselves and we just got to move on quickly.
Speaker 3: West Indies was a key fixture on their path to
Speaker 3: the SEMIS. Can't see them beating England, which is what
Speaker 3: they'll need to make the top two. The next game
Speaker 3: is against Sri Lanka. Then they've got Island, Scotland and
Speaker 3: England and they have a net run rate of minus
Speaker 3: zero point one eight. Now I'll have to improve that
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: It's very obvious what they did wrong, wasn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well we'll all say the same thing't we Just a dreadful,
Speaker 4: costly day fielding, something you can get right if you
Speaker 4: work hard edits Yeah, and now they've put them in
Speaker 4: a position they've got to beat England basically, unless, of course,
Speaker 4: the Western does lose some other matches. If the Western
Speaker 4: dis go through and lose to England.
Speaker 3: That's through and that's a lot for another edition of
Speaker 3: On the Front Foot. We will be back after the
Speaker 3: Oval Test Match, and of course we'll also be able
Speaker 3: to reflect more on our White Ferns as well because
Speaker 3: they've got a game coming up against the Sri Lanka
Speaker 3: then Ireland and the net run rate needs to be
Speaker 3: improved as well. Thanks guys, I hope you get good sleep.
Speaker 3: I've got the bed set up on the lounge to
Speaker 3: watch the Test match, so I'll be lying there nodding
Speaker 3: off at odd times in dull periods of play.
Speaker 2: Should I shall be coming in watching watching the YouTube
Speaker 2: version and seeing Jerry live. It's always in the absolute treat,
Speaker 2: so I can't wait for that.
Speaker 4: I keep forgetting that they've got the camera on, so
Speaker 4: I have to stop my finger to going as it
Speaker 4: was going up to Minos. I hope the girls can
Speaker 4: hold onto a catch, it'll be excellent. I hope that
Speaker 4: they can kick their shape to hit the ball over
Speaker 4: the mid off or they summarting.
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