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Speaker 2: We are a couple of days out from the final,

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Speaker 2: least when we're recording this Elliot Smith with me, Liam

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Speaker 2: Napier and the Hurricanes and Chiefs. Just over forty eight

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Speaker 2: hours away from the final. We had the team's name.

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Speaker 2: We're ready to go. Liam, your excitement levels is both

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Speaker 2: as a Hurricanes fan but also a rugby journalist, broadcaster,

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Speaker 2: podcaster writer. How excited are you for the final?

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Speaker 3: As a raft of emotions, Elliott's It's been a great year,

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Speaker 3: hasn't it. One of the best.

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Speaker 2: You can know, it's one of the best who actually

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Speaker 2: win the title. No one remembers who came second.

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Speaker 3: That's a great year because we're going to have a

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Speaker 3: champion that's not the Crusaders. So I'm going to wind

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Speaker 3: you up, but I've had so a few messages saying

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Speaker 3: you got off lightly, so I have to need all

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Speaker 3: you today. But great season. It's great to have so

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Speaker 3: many people on board the cane train, and each day

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Speaker 3: that passes, I grow more and more nervous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the new levels?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Give me a sense of the Hurricanes, your confidence and

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Speaker 2: them actually winning the title.

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Speaker 3: Look as all Hurricanes fans can attest Elliott, there's been

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Speaker 3: a lot of long suffering. One title and what is

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Speaker 3: it thirty years? You can't relate, unfortunately, But look, I'm

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Speaker 3: quietly confident. But just nobody drinks anything. You don't uncross

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Speaker 3: umbrellas and sides, and everything will be fine.

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Speaker 2: I think, from a neutral perspective, if the Hurricanes play

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Speaker 2: win this title. The issue is if they don't and

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs are not too far behind. I don't think

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Speaker 2: in terms of quality and maybe the time they've run

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's much in it. I hope the

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Speaker 2: far in the playoff series have been blowouts, which has

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Speaker 2: at the two teams, not too many surprises, a couple

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Speaker 2: of injury surprises perhaps, you'd say the Chiefs without Wallace

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Speaker 2: the Hurricanes based on what we've seen so far in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. For Kitty is another big out.

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Speaker 3: surprised to see the Hurricanes target that channel. Outside Quinta

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Speaker 3: Pyre Hutchinson's been excellent for the Chiefs this year, to

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Speaker 3: think man for man, on paper, the Hurricanes are the

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Speaker 3: These two teams have been the best two teams all year.

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Speaker 3: This year. They've scored one hundred and four tries from

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Speaker 3: Yep and they boss the collisions, They dominated the game line.

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Speaker 2: I do, and I think what the Chiefs might try

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think this is a massive game for

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Speaker 3: And I think he was a bit scratchy last week,

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Speaker 3: also in that game against the Chiefs, McKenzie probably outpointed

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Speaker 3: on both teams, but Ruben Love hasn't been there, hasn't

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Speaker 3: tell us a lot about where Ruben Love's at.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, and then look at if it's an open game

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Speaker 2: that I think the Hurricanes will win quite easily, but

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Speaker 2: Quinta Pyre, super ruggy player of the year in their arsenal.

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Speaker 2: But I think if you disrupt the Hurricanes, that's the

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Speaker 2: this year to the Drooer, it was really scrappy in

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Speaker 2: a wet afternoon in Fiji. I think they've got twenty

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Speaker 2: If you can also shut down canroyguards space as well.

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Speaker 2: I think the paths of the Chiefs winning is around

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Speaker 2: Penny Feenaw, Luke Jacobson, Simon Parker. They're the kind of

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Speaker 2: players that can deliver that blueprint for Jimo Gibbs. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's about that pack. It's about them getting a

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Speaker 3: haven't been in too many of those situations this year.

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Speaker 3: You're right about Ken Rugan. For me, he is the key.

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Speaker 3: He only needs a sniff, a moment, a dummy, a break.

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Speaker 3: We saw last week he copped a bit of heat

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Speaker 2: I thank you for saying that before I needed to.

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Speaker 3: But he is the most potent weapon on that park

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Speaker 3: surprised to see him not play. I think player safety first.

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Speaker 3: I haven't had that fight in any way. But the

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Speaker 3: Chiefs wouldn't want to lose another loose forwards, which would hurt.

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Speaker 2: Well, you'd bring in calem Bosha into the run on

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Speaker 2: A few is indeed ruled out, but that does weakend

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Hurricanes wouldn't want to lose a lock

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Speaker 3: because that would potentially leave their line out of vulnerable.

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Speaker 3: They've gone Brad Shields and Braden Yosse on the bench,

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Speaker 2: There's no Caleb Delaney for them this week. And it

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Speaker 2: also Brad Shields. It's interesting, you know, he's the only

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Speaker 2: And yeah, look it's a big ass for room to

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Speaker 3: Fixture, absolutely Jamie Hannah was prominent in terms of stealing

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Speaker 2: It doesn't.

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Speaker 3: No, I was just going to bring showers in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Who does that suit well the Chiefs? I think yeah,

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Speaker 2: Just on the benches. We touched on Brad Shields covering

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Speaker 2: Josh Jacob his final game for the Chiefs, Rion Paul,

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Speaker 2: But who do you give that the battle of the

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Speaker 3: I think probably the Hurricanes because I do worry about

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Speaker 3: But Kenny a Holo has been a weapon off the bench.

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Speaker 3: and I think that's where your depth starts. To buy

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Speaker 3: I just think the Hurricanes have more firepower on that bench.

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Speaker 2: Any other points you want to make before we move.

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Speaker 3: On, I just think that the context of this, it

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Speaker 3: is nice to have two teams that haven't won a

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Speaker 3: twelve years. Like there's so much at stake here. The

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Speaker 3: three years for the stage, and they're going to be

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Speaker 3: losing a host of players, so it's really imperative that

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Speaker 3: they capitalize now. I think more so for them than

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs. They're going to have a massive turn over,

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Speaker 3: big stage, two best teams, two teams that want to

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Speaker 2: So to give us your tip, your your sex points

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Speaker 2: ahead in the standing. So it's an unassailable leaders it

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Speaker 2: has been for a few weeks.

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Speaker 3: Lock it in two earlier, Get on get on board,

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Speaker 2: Gonna go Hurricanes as well to win that title. So

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Speaker 2: congratulations on the tipping. You can hear the commentary. I'm

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Speaker 2: looking forward to getting down to Wellington for this and

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Speaker 2: in calling it on new stalk, ZBI Sport and iHeartRadio

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Speaker 3: A night, do a Ricky for us. If that White

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Speaker 3: beat Fred of Steel.

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Speaker 2: Oh I actually yeah, it wasn't there last time we

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Speaker 2: and let you know, a few other points in the

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby fronts. We'll get into an all black squad

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Speaker 2: speculation shortly. But the Team of the Year announced, look

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Speaker 2: Quint to buy a player of the year. Hard to

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Speaker 2: quibble with that. The Team of the interesting clearly it's

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Speaker 2: been done on the votes and they've squeezed it into

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Speaker 2: a fifteen. But there's some questionable stuff there. I mean,

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Speaker 2: know that thing's about right. This is the unfortunate thing

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Speaker 2: and it happens in the daims a little bit, not

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Speaker 2: the DAIM points, because doing it on each fixture is

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Speaker 2: going to give you an outweighted opinion, absolutely skewed on

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Speaker 2: on how things tracked through the season, and you don't

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Speaker 2: based on MVP points. So have had it, lim What

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Speaker 2: did you make of that team?

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Speaker 3: Ah, it's it's almost rage bait. It's it's completely idiotic. Look,

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Speaker 3: I get they've weeded themselves to this three two one

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Speaker 3: just scrap it for next year. Have some common sense.

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Speaker 3: This is not the best team of the year.

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Speaker 2: Just do both. You could do You could do the

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Speaker 2: three two ones in which is given you Quintepie is

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Speaker 2: the best player in the competition, and then you can

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Speaker 2: go all right, week out from the final, we're going

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Speaker 2: to slip our team of the year from the panel

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Speaker 2: that's done it throughout the season. But it has to

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Speaker 2: to be. All the players are eligible in exposition. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter how many MVY people in the.

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Speaker 3: Sleeper Yeah, exactly. Just have some common sense like looking

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Speaker 3: at this team, it is genuinely what are you smoking areas? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Know, maybe you can make an agment for one of

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Speaker 2: Jorgensen and Tonguey Tower potentially, but also Morby's had a

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Speaker 2: very good season. But no fear here. There is baffling.

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Speaker 2: Ben Donaldson at.

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Speaker 3: Ten no, no, no Camro reguards. Yeah, I would, Jamie

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Speaker 3: Hannah at Locke, Fletcher Newell had a great year. You've

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Speaker 3: you've got a couple, you've got two open side flankers

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Speaker 3: can Yeah, it's baffling.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it also punishes players that have been

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Speaker 2: clearly been in my mind the best half back in

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Speaker 2: it punishes them, even though on a season wide viewing

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think you have a panel of three

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Speaker 3: a debate, and that's subjective. Yes, but you would have

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Speaker 3: a much more fearer accepted team of the Year than

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Speaker 3: winning yourselves to a voting system. I agree. I think

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Speaker 3: Quinte Pier fully deserving outstanding year and what a story

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Speaker 3: coming back from that horrific acl to be in Beast modes.

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Speaker 3: It was interesting that though that he was lockednick and

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Speaker 3: I think Rookie of the Year they got right as well,

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Speaker 2: Had to argue with that.

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Speaker 3: Amazing talents and yeah, some of those players are deserving.

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Speaker 3: Max Jorgenson staggering to believe he's still twenty one years old,

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Speaker 3: but on the whole just baffling.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the Rugby to rec medal is still up

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Speaker 2: many points he's got hard to take over from Finian

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Speaker 2: What are you hearing in that regard?

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Speaker 3: You've just touched a weebit on the Blues. Big squad

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Speaker 3: With three coaches departing Verne Cotter, Craig McGrath and Greg Feek.

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Speaker 2: Well, we should be growing wingers off trees in this

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Speaker 2: We've seen players come in. You think of a Pablo

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Speaker 2: but I just don't know that we should be bringing

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Speaker 2: Banks and get too much of an opportunity this year

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Speaker 2: for the Blues Harland. So Noah's a young player that

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Speaker 2: Darby Lancaster, you're a Blue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting move for him too, isn't it in a

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Speaker 3: I quite like the look of that suggests that one

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Speaker 2: So big changes, big changes you think about the Blues

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Speaker 2: be in Dave Renny squads. Squads this year will be interesting.

429
00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:42,973
Speaker 2: Takafunaki Youngster, i'd sicked in and still staying. I say youngs.

430
00:22:43,013 --> 00:22:45,293
Speaker 2: I think he's twenty five, hasn't really got the opportunities

431
00:22:45,333 --> 00:22:47,253
Speaker 2: they would have thought it at one point and I

432
00:22:47,293 --> 00:22:48,613
Speaker 2: think it's been quite his raino. It might have been

433
00:22:48,653 --> 00:22:50,013
Speaker 2: led a part of Leam McDonalds. He was the first

434
00:22:50,093 --> 00:22:52,813
Speaker 2: choice for a period of time too. So the cycle

435
00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:56,173
Speaker 2: through a few half backs, albeit the same three in

436
00:22:56,213 --> 00:22:58,733
Speaker 2: the last few seasons. But yeah, I think next year

437
00:22:58,813 --> 00:23:01,613
Speaker 2: is a quality player played some good rugby before the

438
00:23:01,693 --> 00:23:04,253
Speaker 2: Highlanders the season two, so interested to see how he

439
00:23:04,293 --> 00:23:05,133
Speaker 2: goes at.

440
00:23:04,973 --> 00:23:08,293
Speaker 3: The Blues and a wee bit of other news. Nothink

441
00:23:08,373 --> 00:23:12,733
Speaker 3: affirmed yet, but I'm hearing that more Pacifica are very

442
00:23:12,773 --> 00:23:15,893
Speaker 3: unlikely to be saved.

443
00:23:15,933 --> 00:23:18,333
Speaker 2: I thought when Peters had sorted that out with someone

444
00:23:18,413 --> 00:23:19,573
Speaker 2: and to governs.

445
00:23:19,213 --> 00:23:25,333
Speaker 3: He's trying certainly for next season. Maybe they can yeah,

446
00:23:25,453 --> 00:23:28,813
Speaker 3: potentially be brought back the following year, which would be

447
00:23:28,853 --> 00:23:31,733
Speaker 3: a challenging situation, but it sounds like the runways too

448
00:23:31,733 --> 00:23:35,413
Speaker 3: short to get that confirmed and what that might mean

449
00:23:35,453 --> 00:23:37,893
Speaker 3: as a ten team competition, and there's been talk about

450
00:23:37,933 --> 00:23:41,933
Speaker 3: conferences about a full home and away format. What I'm

451
00:23:41,973 --> 00:23:45,933
Speaker 3: hearing Elliott is that there will be one more week

452
00:23:47,213 --> 00:23:51,333
Speaker 3: and there will be a ten team competition. Teams will

453
00:23:51,373 --> 00:23:56,213
Speaker 3: have one buy and it's commicated to explain, but so

454
00:23:58,773 --> 00:24:03,213
Speaker 3: everyone plays everyone, but not twice. So the Australian teams

455
00:24:03,773 --> 00:24:06,813
Speaker 3: might play three of the New Zealand teams twice but

456
00:24:06,933 --> 00:24:08,813
Speaker 3: not two of them, where the New Zealand teams will

457
00:24:08,813 --> 00:24:10,893
Speaker 3: play all the New Zealand teams twice and some of

458
00:24:10,893 --> 00:24:13,253
Speaker 3: the Australian teams, So it's skewed in Australia's favor in

459
00:24:13,253 --> 00:24:16,733
Speaker 3: that regard, and the kicker here as I'm hearing that

460
00:24:16,813 --> 00:24:22,133
Speaker 3: it will still be a top six finals for a

461
00:24:22,133 --> 00:24:26,533
Speaker 3: ten team competition, because that's what the broadcast is. Well.

462
00:24:26,533 --> 00:24:30,053
Speaker 2: Again, they've talked a lot about being fan centric super Rugby.

463
00:24:30,173 --> 00:24:32,573
Speaker 2: Six teams out of ten is not fan centric. Is

464
00:24:32,613 --> 00:24:35,213
Speaker 2: fast school. It needs to be a top four. You

465
00:24:35,253 --> 00:24:37,293
Speaker 2: can't sell this to the fans is a credible competition

466
00:24:37,453 --> 00:24:39,533
Speaker 2: When you've just lost a team and then gone, yet

467
00:24:39,533 --> 00:24:41,573
Speaker 2: there's still gonna be six teams in the playoffs. I

468
00:24:41,613 --> 00:24:43,053
Speaker 2: just think it's absolutely ridiculous.

469
00:24:43,453 --> 00:24:46,453
Speaker 3: Oh totally. How can you have more than half your

470
00:24:46,453 --> 00:24:48,773
Speaker 3: team's make the postseason? That just makes a mockery of

471
00:24:48,773 --> 00:24:49,573
Speaker 3: the regular season.

472
00:24:49,613 --> 00:24:53,333
Speaker 2: It does. Yeah, it tells the viewers and tells the fans.

473
00:24:53,373 --> 00:24:56,373
Speaker 3: What is the point of just tuning in June?

474
00:24:56,413 --> 00:24:58,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's gonna be four teams at a cut.

475
00:24:58,173 --> 00:25:00,533
Speaker 2: You can probably name those, name a few of them now.

476
00:25:00,853 --> 00:25:03,173
Speaker 2: To be quite honest with you, I think that would

477
00:25:03,213 --> 00:25:06,013
Speaker 2: be a huge misfire if they were to do that.

478
00:25:07,253 --> 00:25:09,773
Speaker 2: The rest of it lot too dark. From a New

479
00:25:09,853 --> 00:25:12,213
Speaker 2: Zealand perspective, I think is ultimately good. This is where

480
00:25:12,253 --> 00:25:16,373
Speaker 2: super RADI was probably ten years ago and that will

481
00:25:16,373 --> 00:25:19,893
Speaker 2: mean more you know, interest more often, but it does

482
00:25:19,933 --> 00:25:25,853
Speaker 2: also I think alleviate, sorry exacerbout the issue around New

483
00:25:25,933 --> 00:25:27,773
Speaker 2: Zealand Games is an Australian game. The teams.

484
00:25:28,973 --> 00:25:32,253
Speaker 3: You're not addressing the fundamental problem of spread of talent,

485
00:25:32,453 --> 00:25:36,293
Speaker 3: lack of depth issues with Australia. You need to spread

486
00:25:36,333 --> 00:25:40,453
Speaker 3: the competition more evenly throughout this league and that should

487
00:25:40,613 --> 00:25:43,573
Speaker 3: look at things like a draft. We've discussed this previously.

488
00:25:43,693 --> 00:25:46,853
Speaker 3: Is a top six is going to alienate in a

489
00:25:46,893 --> 00:25:52,293
Speaker 3: lot of people, but the broadcasters are winning out and

490
00:25:52,333 --> 00:25:55,853
Speaker 3: it is about guaranteeing some form of Australian presence in

491
00:25:55,893 --> 00:25:58,653
Speaker 3: the postseason. As we've seen this year there's no Australian

492
00:25:58,653 --> 00:26:02,653
Speaker 3: teams from the semi finals and that will no doubt

493
00:26:02,653 --> 00:26:05,373
Speaker 3: see a massive drop off in Australia in terms of broadcasting.

494
00:26:06,533 --> 00:26:08,973
Speaker 3: So Money Talks ultimately does.

495
00:26:09,373 --> 00:26:10,893
Speaker 2: Look if this is in place for just one year

496
00:26:10,893 --> 00:26:12,893
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty seven, but they should be working towards

497
00:26:13,373 --> 00:26:15,933
Speaker 2: something for post World Cup twenty twenty eight and a

498
00:26:15,973 --> 00:26:18,613
Speaker 2: new format for Super Rugby. How many teams that is,

499
00:26:18,653 --> 00:26:20,493
Speaker 2: whatever it is, I don't know, but there is enough

500
00:26:20,533 --> 00:26:23,973
Speaker 2: runway with say eighteen months through to twenty twenty eight

501
00:26:24,173 --> 00:26:27,213
Speaker 2: to get something different on the start line. And I

502
00:26:27,213 --> 00:26:30,533
Speaker 2: think you know Super Rugby U zeal on Rugby Australian Rape.

503
00:26:30,573 --> 00:26:34,213
Speaker 2: You need to look at that quick break on Rugby Direct.

504
00:26:34,213 --> 00:26:39,333
Speaker 2: Back with more after this you're back with Rugby Direct.

505
00:26:39,333 --> 00:26:42,573
Speaker 2: Time now to pick our All Black squads. Now, this

506
00:26:42,693 --> 00:26:44,493
Speaker 2: is the squads that you would name, not what we

507
00:26:44,613 --> 00:26:46,813
Speaker 2: think Dave Rinnie would name.

508
00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:50,373
Speaker 3: Fair Yeah, I think that's largely true.

509
00:26:50,413 --> 00:26:52,333
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a couple of things at the outposts

510
00:26:52,333 --> 00:26:56,493
Speaker 2: that I have not picked. Rico Yowani or Antonine at Brown.

511
00:26:57,173 --> 00:26:59,213
Speaker 2: I suspect they'll be included, whether that's as part of

512
00:26:59,253 --> 00:27:02,013
Speaker 2: the thirty four or as training partners or whatever it

513
00:27:02,093 --> 00:27:07,973
Speaker 2: might be. Because as the sabbatical thing falls apart, if

514
00:27:07,973 --> 00:27:10,013
Speaker 2: you don't bring these players back into the All Blacks fold,

515
00:27:10,453 --> 00:27:13,733
Speaker 2: it gives players reason to leave. So the sabbatical dies

516
00:27:13,813 --> 00:27:15,933
Speaker 2: if they don't get into the All Blacks on the

517
00:27:15,973 --> 00:27:17,853
Speaker 2: way back. And it's sort of an unwritten rule that

518
00:27:17,893 --> 00:27:20,973
Speaker 2: they are selected. But there's new coach is, various other things,

519
00:27:22,453 --> 00:27:24,733
Speaker 2: so qustion marks. Yeah, and look, they've kept things very

520
00:27:24,813 --> 00:27:27,013
Speaker 2: very tight around who's going to be named, who's not

521
00:27:27,133 --> 00:27:30,893
Speaker 2: how it's going to be shake down, all right, So

522
00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:33,773
Speaker 2: let's get into it then we do you want to

523
00:27:33,813 --> 00:27:35,053
Speaker 2: go for props? Fist?

524
00:27:35,413 --> 00:27:37,213
Speaker 3: Well, hold on, I'm going to go. I'll stir the

525
00:27:37,213 --> 00:27:40,573
Speaker 3: pop straight off the bat Day Chiefs and Chris and

526
00:27:40,853 --> 00:27:43,213
Speaker 3: Hurricanes and the Super Ragby Final Eliot two best teams

527
00:27:43,253 --> 00:27:46,133
Speaker 3: all year. Your dynasty is done and you're only going

528
00:27:46,173 --> 00:27:50,293
Speaker 3: to have potentially one, two, three, four five players from

529
00:27:50,293 --> 00:27:51,613
Speaker 3: the Crusaders.

530
00:27:51,213 --> 00:27:53,133
Speaker 2: And they's done. They made the semi finals, mate.

531
00:27:53,013 --> 00:27:54,893
Speaker 3: Make the All Black squad. How do you feel about that?

532
00:27:54,933 --> 00:27:55,973
Speaker 2: I don't feel great about it.

533
00:27:56,613 --> 00:28:01,173
Speaker 3: Tamaty Williams, Scott Barrett and Will Jordan potentially out Jordan

534
00:28:01,253 --> 00:28:03,413
Speaker 3: maybe back for the Third Test. So those guys will

535
00:28:03,413 --> 00:28:07,093
Speaker 3: come back. But is there a reflection that the cream

536
00:28:07,133 --> 00:28:09,493
Speaker 3: of New Zealand rugby talent no longer resides in Krush?

537
00:28:10,773 --> 00:28:13,533
Speaker 2: I think there's certainly an argument to be made around that.

538
00:28:15,453 --> 00:28:19,933
Speaker 2: I think you look at that Crusader's team and you could, potentially,

539
00:28:19,973 --> 00:28:21,013
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have will Not take a

540
00:28:21,093 --> 00:28:25,133
Speaker 2: Christian Leo Willie. You could maybe look at a Jamie

541
00:28:25,173 --> 00:28:26,693
Speaker 2: Hannah as a fourth fifth lot.

542
00:28:26,773 --> 00:28:32,013
Speaker 3: Potentially guys like Ethan the Grout David Heavily, Ethan Black

543
00:28:32,053 --> 00:28:34,013
Speaker 3: at a sorry shavey hockey.

544
00:28:34,053 --> 00:28:35,893
Speaker 2: The replays with claims but they're.

545
00:28:35,733 --> 00:28:37,973
Speaker 3: On that, but their friend is very much friends. Selections

546
00:28:38,013 --> 00:28:38,293
Speaker 3: aren't there.

547
00:28:41,053 --> 00:28:42,573
Speaker 2: Let's give him to your props. I think we might

548
00:28:42,573 --> 00:28:43,733
Speaker 2: have the same sex.

549
00:28:43,813 --> 00:28:48,813
Speaker 3: But yeah, Fletcher Newle, Tyrol Lomax Paslo TOSSI your tight heads,

550
00:28:48,813 --> 00:28:52,933
Speaker 3: Ethan de Groot, Xavier new Mere rookie and I've gone

551
00:28:52,973 --> 00:28:55,533
Speaker 3: Oli Norris over George Bower, so have I.

552
00:28:55,853 --> 00:28:59,773
Speaker 2: So we've got the same sex there. George Bauer just

553
00:28:59,813 --> 00:29:01,853
Speaker 2: slips out for me. But I think South African Tour

554
00:29:02,413 --> 00:29:04,533
Speaker 2: his time will come again. I think he's a valuable

555
00:29:04,573 --> 00:29:05,293
Speaker 2: squad member.

556
00:29:05,453 --> 00:29:08,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I just feel like Olin Norris offers

557
00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:11,173
Speaker 3: a bit more around the park. Had another great season

558
00:29:11,173 --> 00:29:13,173
Speaker 3: for the Chiefs, so I feel like he's got more upside.

559
00:29:13,013 --> 00:29:15,333
Speaker 2: Offer to Fassi. Is this the end of his All

560
00:29:15,333 --> 00:29:18,213
Speaker 2: Black STORER? Look? I love what offers deluded for both

561
00:29:18,213 --> 00:29:20,653
Speaker 2: the Blues and the All Blacks. I think he just

562
00:29:20,733 --> 00:29:24,613
Speaker 2: looked a little slow towards the back end of Super

563
00:29:24,613 --> 00:29:26,813
Speaker 2: and maybe it was the combination that the team and

564
00:29:26,893 --> 00:29:29,373
Speaker 2: not performing well, but he wasn't playing his best.

565
00:29:29,933 --> 00:29:33,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, great servant but I think his time is done.

566
00:29:34,853 --> 00:29:36,053
Speaker 2: That horrific neck injury.

567
00:29:36,173 --> 00:29:38,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's done well to come back from that neck injury,

568
00:29:38,173 --> 00:29:42,573
Speaker 3: but he there were times for the Blues. I don't

569
00:29:42,613 --> 00:29:47,213
Speaker 3: know if he even lasted a whole half and still

570
00:29:47,253 --> 00:29:50,293
Speaker 3: an effective scrummager, but not offering enough around the park

571
00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:52,613
Speaker 3: to justify including him.

572
00:29:52,693 --> 00:29:54,373
Speaker 2: I think he's a contract after the season two of

573
00:29:54,453 --> 00:29:58,093
Speaker 2: Memory serves hookers. I've got Tacky a more tailor. You

574
00:29:58,493 --> 00:30:00,573
Speaker 2: ye see anyone coming in?

575
00:30:00,893 --> 00:30:04,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, I look George Bell. I think played really well

576
00:30:04,453 --> 00:30:07,853
Speaker 3: for the Crusaders this year, but I suffer mister back

577
00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:10,413
Speaker 3: in the last you of injury and just what a

578
00:30:10,453 --> 00:30:11,653
Speaker 3: weapon were ball on hand.

579
00:30:11,453 --> 00:30:13,213
Speaker 2: Well, especially as well. I'm more and Tokyo have been

580
00:30:13,213 --> 00:30:17,493
Speaker 2: really good in the playoffs too, and Bell missed with

581
00:30:17,653 --> 00:30:20,013
Speaker 2: injury from Memory one of the I think the Blues game.

582
00:30:20,093 --> 00:30:22,173
Speaker 2: You know, so he's been out, out of side, out

583
00:30:22,213 --> 00:30:24,293
Speaker 2: of mind. I think you go with the hot hand

584
00:30:24,493 --> 00:30:27,653
Speaker 2: in that regard. Locks obviously no far being in Holland,

585
00:30:27,773 --> 00:30:32,493
Speaker 2: no captain and Scott former captain potentially question Mark Scott Barrett.

586
00:30:33,333 --> 00:30:35,893
Speaker 2: I've gone lord to provide Teep a lot to Darry you.

587
00:30:36,693 --> 00:30:38,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, Jamie Henner is right in that

588
00:30:38,413 --> 00:30:43,293
Speaker 3: conversation with Darry. I wouldn't begrudge Jamie Hannah. I probably

589
00:30:43,333 --> 00:30:49,933
Speaker 3: have question marks about size and physicality, but that's relevant

590
00:30:49,973 --> 00:30:53,373
Speaker 3: for I think Darry and handle when it comes to

591
00:30:53,413 --> 00:30:55,733
Speaker 3: ball carrying. You can get that elsewhere in your pack.

592
00:30:56,213 --> 00:30:58,053
Speaker 3: But I think it is down to those two feel

593
00:30:58,173 --> 00:31:00,693
Speaker 3: us for your fourth f lock. But I'm with you,

594
00:31:00,733 --> 00:31:02,613
Speaker 3: have gone Darry loose Wars.

595
00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:05,093
Speaker 2: This is probably the hardest seria for me because there

596
00:31:05,093 --> 00:31:08,253
Speaker 2: are a couple a few must selects, and then there

597
00:31:08,493 --> 00:31:12,533
Speaker 2: is probably three, maybe two, But you go, this could

598
00:31:12,573 --> 00:31:16,413
Speaker 2: be any one of half a dozen eight players. Give

599
00:31:16,413 --> 00:31:17,133
Speaker 2: me yours.

600
00:31:17,613 --> 00:31:19,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's a few question marks here. Wallace the

601
00:31:19,413 --> 00:31:22,973
Speaker 3: TT ye, what's the situation with his head? I've heard

602
00:31:23,093 --> 00:31:28,093
Speaker 3: the chiefs work potentially considering him this week, So on

603
00:31:28,133 --> 00:31:33,093
Speaker 3: that basis we'll say he will recover Peter Lukeye, Ardie Severe,

604
00:31:33,093 --> 00:31:36,653
Speaker 3: Wallace the TT Simon Parker. I've gone Anton signa Rockie,

605
00:31:37,253 --> 00:31:44,133
Speaker 3: and I've gone Luke Jacobson over deep Sea Cariefy. But

606
00:31:44,493 --> 00:31:48,893
Speaker 3: I'm not entirely convinced by that. Ardie Severe. I think

607
00:31:48,973 --> 00:31:51,733
Speaker 3: there is also a question mark. Does he play July

608
00:31:52,093 --> 00:31:55,653
Speaker 3: some all part not too sure, so may to cover

609
00:31:55,733 --> 00:31:59,093
Speaker 3: play the POTENTI you could make a match of webits.

610
00:31:59,733 --> 00:32:03,213
Speaker 3: But the loose forwards is incredibly congested up for grabs,

611
00:32:03,253 --> 00:32:03,853
Speaker 3: isn't it It is?

612
00:32:03,893 --> 00:32:05,933
Speaker 2: And this is the area last night when I was

613
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:10,253
Speaker 2: watching State of Origin, also this team trying it, and

614
00:32:10,253 --> 00:32:12,413
Speaker 2: I deleted a few names. I had Signa there for

615
00:32:12,453 --> 00:32:15,533
Speaker 2: a period in time. I had Jacobson not there a

616
00:32:15,653 --> 00:32:18,573
Speaker 2: grief he not there for a period of time. I

617
00:32:18,573 --> 00:32:22,213
Speaker 2: didn't end up selecting du Kadifi. I went with Tit

618
00:32:22,413 --> 00:32:26,293
Speaker 2: sav At Lakai, Jacobson Parker and Christian Leo Willy.

619
00:32:26,933 --> 00:32:28,813
Speaker 3: Yes, so the difference here, You've gone Lea Wherea and

620
00:32:28,853 --> 00:32:35,333
Speaker 3: I've gone Signa. Yeah, Lea weird consistently outstanding, particularly towards

621
00:32:35,373 --> 00:32:39,373
Speaker 3: the back end of the year for the Crusaders. I

622
00:32:40,373 --> 00:32:43,053
Speaker 3: just I think Signet deserves the rewards, and I think

623
00:32:44,093 --> 00:32:46,933
Speaker 3: I think he effectively edges out du Kareefy.

624
00:32:47,093 --> 00:32:49,133
Speaker 2: The big question I've got around loose forwards a size.

625
00:32:49,253 --> 00:32:52,053
Speaker 2: I just we do not have big enough profiles of

626
00:32:52,093 --> 00:32:53,413
Speaker 2: these players.

627
00:32:53,013 --> 00:32:55,733
Speaker 3: And not only from a physicality point of view, but

628
00:32:56,613 --> 00:32:58,893
Speaker 3: the lineup potentially leaves you a wee bit exposed.

629
00:32:59,053 --> 00:33:00,333
Speaker 2: Signa took a lot of line up ball for the

630
00:33:00,333 --> 00:33:00,933
Speaker 2: Blues this year.

631
00:33:00,933 --> 00:33:05,053
Speaker 3: Wall T is a good lineout exponent. Ardie Severe has

632
00:33:05,053 --> 00:33:07,813
Speaker 3: done a lot of it, so I think I think

633
00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:11,453
Speaker 3: the All Black can get creative around that. But you're

634
00:33:11,573 --> 00:33:13,893
Speaker 3: rights when you compare them to the South Africans or

635
00:33:13,933 --> 00:33:16,693
Speaker 3: the English or the French, not the same size. But

636
00:33:16,733 --> 00:33:20,613
Speaker 3: I don't think that's I think Dave Ny is going

637
00:33:20,693 --> 00:33:22,773
Speaker 3: to play ball. You know, he's going to want to

638
00:33:22,893 --> 00:33:28,453
Speaker 3: use dynamic, fast attacking, offloading athletes. You have to win

639
00:33:28,493 --> 00:33:31,093
Speaker 3: the game line, you have to win the collisions, but

640
00:33:31,213 --> 00:33:33,733
Speaker 3: you can get enough of that elsewhere.

641
00:33:33,373 --> 00:33:37,373
Speaker 2: To The player that I did think about was Tourrian Barnes,

642
00:33:37,413 --> 00:33:39,853
Speaker 2: but I just wonder if it's a fraction too early

643
00:33:40,853 --> 00:33:45,093
Speaker 2: for him and Malacha Rampling potentially could be another, but

644
00:33:45,213 --> 00:33:47,773
Speaker 2: I think another NBC season of their Belts could be

645
00:33:47,853 --> 00:33:50,013
Speaker 2: quite beneficial, well potentially on the tour of South Africa.

646
00:33:50,053 --> 00:33:51,693
Speaker 2: But I like what Barnes brings especially.

647
00:33:51,853 --> 00:33:55,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think, Look, the Blues loose forwards are

648
00:33:55,253 --> 00:33:58,533
Speaker 3: in good hands despite Dalton and Hoskins going, Malochai Rampling,

649
00:33:59,053 --> 00:34:03,573
Speaker 3: Toury and Barnes, Anton Signa. Maybe even Artie pops up there,

650
00:34:05,413 --> 00:34:08,813
Speaker 3: the guy who I'd love to see included, probably for

651
00:34:08,853 --> 00:34:12,573
Speaker 3: the sou African towards Lucas Casey. Yes, he's got size.

652
00:34:12,893 --> 00:34:16,133
Speaker 3: He really rose to from NPC to Super Rugby this

653
00:34:16,213 --> 00:34:18,693
Speaker 3: year and has all the makings of it, so I

654
00:34:18,773 --> 00:34:22,053
Speaker 3: don't he could be a bolter, but I don't think

655
00:34:21,773 --> 00:34:24,533
Speaker 3: he's quite syneaks into the squad. But I'd love to

656
00:34:24,533 --> 00:34:25,573
Speaker 3: see him on that South African too.

657
00:34:25,693 --> 00:34:30,253
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've gone utility lest defying a Knoku. Yeah, so

658
00:34:30,253 --> 00:34:31,813
Speaker 2: I haven't actually put him my outside backs. We'll lose

659
00:34:31,853 --> 00:34:32,893
Speaker 2: fours to put him as utility.

660
00:34:32,973 --> 00:34:34,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in my outside backs.

661
00:34:34,533 --> 00:34:37,773
Speaker 2: Okay, so both got him half backs. This is really interesting.

662
00:34:38,013 --> 00:34:40,493
Speaker 2: Camer goes a lot for both. I presume you've got him.

663
00:34:44,133 --> 00:34:47,173
Speaker 3: Except the podcast, and I'll not picking who.

664
00:34:46,973 --> 00:34:48,893
Speaker 2: Are your other two? If you've gone so, you might

665
00:34:48,893 --> 00:34:51,213
Speaker 2: have only gone as you might have won two total.

666
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:53,573
Speaker 3: Now you need three the greatest position on the field. Earlier,

667
00:34:54,813 --> 00:34:58,613
Speaker 3: I've gone Hotham in Preston. I really like Preston's point

668
00:34:58,613 --> 00:35:00,693
Speaker 3: of difference. He kicks off both feet. I thought the

669
00:35:00,693 --> 00:35:03,253
Speaker 3: Crusader's actually looked their best at times when he came

670
00:35:03,293 --> 00:35:06,333
Speaker 3: off the bench and added real impact. I don't think

671
00:35:06,373 --> 00:35:10,333
Speaker 3: we see enough of them court his ratama as a

672
00:35:10,333 --> 00:35:14,933
Speaker 3: really nuggety player. I think he stagnated and the All

673
00:35:14,973 --> 00:35:17,973
Speaker 3: Blacks and I probably haven't seen quite enough from him

674
00:35:17,973 --> 00:35:20,813
Speaker 3: this year. He toured and frowed with Xavier Rower, but

675
00:35:21,293 --> 00:35:23,413
Speaker 3: had his best performance I think against the Reds when

676
00:35:23,693 --> 00:35:27,253
Speaker 3: Rowe wasn't there. But for me, I just yeah, I

677
00:35:27,293 --> 00:35:29,893
Speaker 3: think I think Preston is a bit of a point

678
00:35:29,893 --> 00:35:30,333
Speaker 3: of difference.

679
00:35:30,413 --> 00:35:33,933
Speaker 2: I've gone Roy Guard Hotham and Adam Lennox. I agree

680
00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:36,253
Speaker 2: what you said at Rasima. I think this season he

681
00:35:36,253 --> 00:35:38,293
Speaker 2: was put under pressure a lot of times and was

682
00:35:38,293 --> 00:35:40,853
Speaker 2: found wanting. There was one game where he knocked on

683
00:35:41,453 --> 00:35:43,973
Speaker 2: five four or five times, just really just did not

684
00:35:44,013 --> 00:35:46,293
Speaker 2: have a Players have bad nights. We all know that,

685
00:35:46,293 --> 00:35:48,853
Speaker 2: but I just don't think he's played great rugby this year.

686
00:35:48,853 --> 00:35:50,373
Speaker 2: He may turn up on the weekend and have a

687
00:35:50,413 --> 00:35:53,973
Speaker 2: stormer in the final and work his way in or

688
00:35:53,973 --> 00:35:55,773
Speaker 2: back in if he needs to, and today were in

689
00:35:55,813 --> 00:35:57,853
Speaker 2: his team, But at this point I've actually gone Glennex.

690
00:35:58,053 --> 00:36:00,333
Speaker 2: I was really impressed by his speed to ruck this

691
00:36:00,453 --> 00:36:03,933
Speaker 2: year as Chris passing. I think there's probably a few

692
00:36:03,973 --> 00:36:08,533
Speaker 2: question marks around how he combines with the ten. But

693
00:36:08,733 --> 00:36:12,333
Speaker 2: the Highlanders had a few different you know tens Passito,

694
00:36:12,493 --> 00:36:15,453
Speaker 2: they had Miller this year, they'd Tane Robinson from remember

695
00:36:15,493 --> 00:36:17,653
Speaker 2: I think slot, so there wasn't a lot a consistent

696
00:36:17,693 --> 00:36:19,973
Speaker 2: there so, but I think Lennox has got a huge

697
00:36:20,013 --> 00:36:23,413
Speaker 2: upside and I think he's worth your ob selection. Preston

698
00:36:23,813 --> 00:36:25,533
Speaker 2: went close to me as well as tossing that up,

699
00:36:25,533 --> 00:36:30,533
Speaker 2: but I just think there's something in Adam Lennox. First fives.

700
00:36:31,933 --> 00:36:34,693
Speaker 3: Usual suspects, Revenal Love, Boden bar At, Daman McKenzie. Look,

701
00:36:34,813 --> 00:36:37,373
Speaker 3: Boden Barrett. There's no doubt he's under pressure. He's thirty five,

702
00:36:37,493 --> 00:36:39,533
Speaker 3: is in the twil over his career, didn't have a

703
00:36:39,613 --> 00:36:42,733
Speaker 3: great season. Maybe you can attribute some of that to

704
00:36:42,733 --> 00:36:47,133
Speaker 3: the Blue struggles, their their style, their structure, but there

705
00:36:47,213 --> 00:36:50,653
Speaker 3: was a real lack of him challenging the line of

706
00:36:51,213 --> 00:36:53,253
Speaker 3: accuracy of passing. Towards the back end of the year,

707
00:36:53,293 --> 00:36:56,453
Speaker 3: those things were quite concerning. He's still got that attacking

708
00:36:56,493 --> 00:36:59,733
Speaker 3: weaponry with his kicking game. But look, the playmaking squeeze

709
00:36:59,773 --> 00:37:01,693
Speaker 3: for the All Blacks is not coming until Richie Waringer

710
00:37:01,813 --> 00:37:07,693
Speaker 3: is available, and Rennie will will select Boden and give

711
00:37:07,773 --> 00:37:11,733
Speaker 3: him a chance Look, he's still a weapon that you

712
00:37:11,733 --> 00:37:14,493
Speaker 3: could use off the bench, a lot of experience and

713
00:37:14,493 --> 00:37:16,653
Speaker 3: and and for those that wouldn't select them, the question

714
00:37:16,773 --> 00:37:20,333
Speaker 3: is who else? Well, that's right, Well you're gonna put

715
00:37:20,373 --> 00:37:21,333
Speaker 3: Josh Jakib here to both.

716
00:37:21,973 --> 00:37:24,813
Speaker 2: I think I think that Jacob hasn't been playing down

717
00:37:25,053 --> 00:37:27,213
Speaker 2: the bang down the door enough this year to go

718
00:37:27,733 --> 00:37:30,573
Speaker 2: this is a live conversation between myself and Bowden, Barrett

719
00:37:30,613 --> 00:37:33,373
Speaker 2: or whoever else it might be. You'd be seeking someone

720
00:37:33,373 --> 00:37:35,533
Speaker 2: for the sake of it. And at that point, I

721
00:37:35,573 --> 00:37:37,733
Speaker 2: think you're a bt to Barrett and go we can

722
00:37:37,773 --> 00:37:39,493
Speaker 2: find some form in the All Blacks back to the

723
00:37:39,533 --> 00:37:42,333
Speaker 2: coaches back. There's new crop of coaches to get them

724
00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:43,973
Speaker 2: back into the form that we know he's capable of.

725
00:37:44,093 --> 00:37:51,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, different coaching team, different attacking strategy, much better players.

726
00:37:51,373 --> 00:37:54,573
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and that's people will maybe hear this team

727
00:37:54,573 --> 00:37:56,413
Speaker 2: and who knows what Dave Rine is going to announce

728
00:37:56,413 --> 00:37:59,493
Speaker 2: on Monday. We're along with Graham Henry and Neil Barnes

729
00:37:59,493 --> 00:38:00,933
Speaker 2: that this may be completely different. We may have got

730
00:38:00,973 --> 00:38:03,333
Speaker 2: a wealth based but people will go these are the

731
00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:06,213
Speaker 2: same players were last year that didn't pull them up standard.

732
00:38:06,213 --> 00:38:10,053
Speaker 2: But I think the new coaching set up will back

733
00:38:10,133 --> 00:38:13,293
Speaker 2: themselves to get what these players need.

734
00:38:14,133 --> 00:38:17,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, you are going to have the chance

735
00:38:17,093 --> 00:38:19,813
Speaker 3: with that South African tour up to forty two to

736
00:38:19,853 --> 00:38:23,973
Speaker 3: forty four players to look at a bigger group, So

737
00:38:24,293 --> 00:38:28,813
Speaker 3: there's probably not that pressure to immediately make shifts, and

738
00:38:28,853 --> 00:38:30,893
Speaker 3: maybe they'll feel like they can do that with their

739
00:38:30,893 --> 00:38:33,093
Speaker 3: game plan and then if it doesn't work, then you

740
00:38:33,133 --> 00:38:35,893
Speaker 3: mate changes, I think, but who knows, Like you say,

741
00:38:35,933 --> 00:38:37,613
Speaker 3: they could have a completely different view of it.

742
00:38:37,733 --> 00:38:42,333
Speaker 2: Indeed's midfielders again, I didn't select alb or Rico Yuani.

743
00:38:42,373 --> 00:38:44,133
Speaker 2: I've sort of placed them in a training partner sort

744
00:38:44,133 --> 00:38:46,213
Speaker 2: of cage. For the selection, who'd you go for?

745
00:38:47,133 --> 00:38:49,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jordi Brack Quinn to Pi and I think Billy

746
00:38:49,213 --> 00:38:55,173
Speaker 3: Procter is a lock. I expect Antonine and Brown to

747
00:38:55,213 --> 00:38:57,933
Speaker 3: be there because he's been in Japan. He's been playing

748
00:38:58,013 --> 00:39:01,253
Speaker 3: under any that COVID connection. He covers second and center,

749
00:39:01,293 --> 00:39:03,973
Speaker 3: he's done that a lot. For the All Blacks, I

750
00:39:04,053 --> 00:39:09,973
Speaker 3: would probably go to Mochi Ta Tavanawa. I think if

751
00:39:10,013 --> 00:39:13,373
Speaker 3: Rennie gets his hands on them, gets some fits. He

752
00:39:13,453 --> 00:39:15,573
Speaker 3: lacks a bit of pace in the midfields, but he

753
00:39:15,693 --> 00:39:18,213
Speaker 3: is a real point of difference, so there's potential powerball

754
00:39:18,253 --> 00:39:20,933
Speaker 3: carrying his strength over the ball at the breakdown. I

755
00:39:20,973 --> 00:39:23,133
Speaker 3: would like to we haven't seen him really a couple

756
00:39:23,213 --> 00:39:25,013
Speaker 3: of cameos off the bench, So I would go to

757
00:39:25,093 --> 00:39:27,493
Speaker 3: the Tavanawa. I think they'll go Lennon Brown.

758
00:39:27,373 --> 00:39:30,253
Speaker 2: I've gone the same four as you, including Tavera Tavanawa.

759
00:39:31,213 --> 00:39:31,413
Speaker 3: Yeah.

760
00:39:31,453 --> 00:39:34,373
Speaker 2: Again, I was debating whether I go with the way

761
00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:36,413
Speaker 2: I think they'll select at it where the way that

762
00:39:36,413 --> 00:39:38,813
Speaker 2: I would select it Tavatan obviously you know it was

763
00:39:38,853 --> 00:39:41,053
Speaker 2: equal on Quinti Pie with the points this year in

764
00:39:41,133 --> 00:39:45,213
Speaker 2: Super Rugby Pacific. I do think there is a possibility

765
00:39:45,253 --> 00:39:47,293
Speaker 2: of him being a big fish in a small pond.

766
00:39:47,413 --> 00:39:49,733
Speaker 2: And the Highlanders and a lot of their play, not

767
00:39:49,773 --> 00:39:52,973
Speaker 2: only attack but defense revolves around what can he do?

768
00:39:53,213 --> 00:39:54,973
Speaker 2: Can he give us a turnover? Can he get us

769
00:39:54,973 --> 00:39:56,733
Speaker 2: a fifty twenty two? Hey, look, he's a great play

770
00:39:56,733 --> 00:40:00,413
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but I think almost like a

771
00:40:00,493 --> 00:40:03,173
Speaker 2: Levi R. Moore at Amoada PACIFICA when they go to

772
00:40:03,213 --> 00:40:07,493
Speaker 2: a different setup doesn't necessarily translate as well. That's the

773
00:40:07,573 --> 00:40:09,253
Speaker 2: question mark. I've got Tapa tam and I and that

774
00:40:09,333 --> 00:40:11,333
Speaker 2: was an answered. Obviously, broke his arm last year and

775
00:40:11,373 --> 00:40:12,893
Speaker 2: we didn't get see him again for the All Blacks.

776
00:40:12,933 --> 00:40:14,813
Speaker 2: So I've got a question marker of him and what

777
00:40:14,853 --> 00:40:16,213
Speaker 2: he can do at test level.

778
00:40:16,293 --> 00:40:19,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, Renny has a penchant for big twelves. He's not

779
00:40:19,893 --> 00:40:23,293
Speaker 3: alone there, Sonny, but Williams at the Chiefs, Samue Careve

780
00:40:23,413 --> 00:40:26,493
Speaker 3: he brought back for the Wallabies. Tabanaha fits that brief,

781
00:40:26,533 --> 00:40:28,253
Speaker 3: So it would not shock me to see him included.

782
00:40:28,453 --> 00:40:31,173
Speaker 2: And your outside backs I went fighting and look of

783
00:40:31,173 --> 00:40:32,653
Speaker 2: course as a utility. So ho've you gone with?

784
00:40:32,933 --> 00:40:34,493
Speaker 3: I've got him there, Caleb Clark. Look, one of my

785
00:40:34,733 --> 00:40:37,933
Speaker 3: male elliott is that the All Blacks will select form

786
00:40:38,653 --> 00:40:39,533
Speaker 3: for he young and all for.

787
00:40:39,853 --> 00:40:43,693
Speaker 2: Really and does it mean that the confidence of him

788
00:40:43,733 --> 00:40:45,093
Speaker 2: not being at Newcastle?

789
00:40:45,333 --> 00:40:49,413
Speaker 3: I think there's murmurs continue that he will stay. Nothing guaranteed.

790
00:40:49,493 --> 00:40:51,893
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to stand that up. Not sure

791
00:40:51,973 --> 00:40:55,533
Speaker 3: exactly where that's at, but I think regardless, he's effectively

792
00:40:55,573 --> 00:40:59,733
Speaker 3: available as it stands till well for July and the

793
00:40:59,933 --> 00:41:04,253
Speaker 3: and the South African Tour. So's debates to be had. Historically,

794
00:41:04,573 --> 00:41:06,933
Speaker 3: the All Blacks haven't selected players who are going off shore.

795
00:41:07,053 --> 00:41:09,533
Speaker 3: Mark to Lea was the late latest example from an

796
00:41:09,533 --> 00:41:12,293
Speaker 3: outside back perspective, but I'm hearing the All Blacks will

797
00:41:12,293 --> 00:41:14,933
Speaker 3: pick him. Maybe that's syndication that he might stay. So

798
00:41:15,173 --> 00:41:18,173
Speaker 3: I've gone Caleb Clark like you are Lester for he.

799
00:41:20,493 --> 00:41:23,933
Speaker 3: I think you probably name it a replacement for for

800
00:41:24,013 --> 00:41:29,533
Speaker 3: Will Jordan for those two tests. So lever Ricarda and

801
00:41:29,573 --> 00:41:31,213
Speaker 3: I have included Rico one.

802
00:41:31,413 --> 00:41:34,493
Speaker 2: Okay, So who's your replacement for Jordan? Have you gone?

803
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:38,893
Speaker 2: Have you named one? Lever Riccarda Okay, Yeah, I went

804
00:41:38,973 --> 00:41:41,653
Speaker 2: Jordan Clark, Finaner Forkada. I was going to think about

805
00:41:41,693 --> 00:41:43,013
Speaker 2: Josh Morby potentially.

806
00:41:42,973 --> 00:41:44,013
Speaker 3: Is definitely in that conversation.

807
00:41:44,133 --> 00:41:47,253
Speaker 2: The cover Hutchinson would potentially be there too if he

808
00:41:47,293 --> 00:41:49,133
Speaker 2: wasn't injured, and we don't know how bad that is.

809
00:41:50,373 --> 00:41:52,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, Morby's had an outstanding year coming back from France

810
00:41:53,013 --> 00:41:57,053
Speaker 3: and very proficient under the high ball. Rico one is

811
00:41:57,053 --> 00:41:58,813
Speaker 3: an interesting one, isn't it. He's playing in the USC

812
00:41:59,013 --> 00:42:04,813
Speaker 3: final this weekend for Leinster against the Bulls. So contrast

813
00:42:04,933 --> 00:42:08,093
Speaker 3: to Savia and Antonina Brown who finished their seasons two

814
00:42:08,093 --> 00:42:11,133
Speaker 3: weeks ago. But Jordi Barrett came straight back into the

815
00:42:11,173 --> 00:42:15,933
Speaker 3: All Blacks from Leinster and I expect Rico to do

816
00:42:16,013 --> 00:42:16,373
Speaker 3: the same.

817
00:42:17,013 --> 00:42:19,333
Speaker 2: Swagger players not considered due to injury or at least

818
00:42:19,333 --> 00:42:21,813
Speaker 2: a couple for me and Morning another word, I don't

819
00:42:21,853 --> 00:42:24,173
Speaker 2: know where he's at. Obviously he's not playing the final.

820
00:42:24,253 --> 00:42:27,773
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him ages yea tummy Tawn obviously would

821
00:42:27,773 --> 00:42:29,333
Speaker 2: have been there. There probably a few others that are missing,

822
00:42:29,373 --> 00:42:31,653
Speaker 2: but in terms of media conversation, there are a few,

823
00:42:32,333 --> 00:42:34,413
Speaker 2: you know, players that we were able to sleep. But

824
00:42:34,453 --> 00:42:39,853
Speaker 2: broadly I think we've gone some more mish for these squads.

825
00:42:40,253 --> 00:42:42,373
Speaker 3: There does tend to be one bolter, doesn't there And

826
00:42:43,053 --> 00:42:46,173
Speaker 3: Scott Robertson, I'm just trying to think and his.

827
00:42:46,453 --> 00:42:50,613
Speaker 2: Fall it was PASSI TOSSI t in twenty four.

828
00:42:50,813 --> 00:42:55,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, well Tavanaa was quite a surprise. I think he

829
00:42:55,653 --> 00:42:58,853
Speaker 3: played well, but there wasn't necessarily the male that Robertson

830
00:42:58,893 --> 00:43:01,293
Speaker 3: would go there, so he was a bit of a surprise.

831
00:43:02,373 --> 00:43:06,373
Speaker 3: So I think maybe Lucas Casey if there's going to

832
00:43:06,373 --> 00:43:07,453
Speaker 3: be a bolter someone like that.

833
00:43:07,693 --> 00:43:10,133
Speaker 2: Yep, I wouldn't be upset at that. We've only got

834
00:43:10,173 --> 00:43:12,933
Speaker 2: one new cap potentially one a cap player now is

835
00:43:12,973 --> 00:43:13,893
Speaker 2: that newma?

836
00:43:16,653 --> 00:43:17,293
Speaker 3: I've got fear?

837
00:43:17,613 --> 00:43:20,373
Speaker 2: Oh sorry here there's more than that. Yeah, Yeah, And

838
00:43:20,573 --> 00:43:22,933
Speaker 2: Lennox says three for mine, two for yours. Yeah, look

839
00:43:22,973 --> 00:43:24,933
Speaker 2: at it and goes out to the point we're saying

840
00:43:24,933 --> 00:43:27,333
Speaker 2: before about can you coaches get the best out of

841
00:43:27,373 --> 00:43:29,693
Speaker 2: these players rather compared to the previous roster.

842
00:43:29,813 --> 00:43:32,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Scott Robson did use a host of players,

843
00:43:32,733 --> 00:43:35,413
Speaker 3: didn't give them a lot of game time, but did

844
00:43:35,533 --> 00:43:39,133
Speaker 3: bring through give a lot of players a taste. So

845
00:43:39,813 --> 00:43:42,293
Speaker 3: while there might not be that many rookies, a lot

846
00:43:42,333 --> 00:43:44,333
Speaker 3: of them have got few caps that.

847
00:43:44,373 --> 00:43:46,453
Speaker 2: Will do us for rugby direk We'll be back with

848
00:43:46,533 --> 00:43:49,533
Speaker 2: a big episode on Monday after the team is named

849
00:43:49,573 --> 00:43:51,653
Speaker 2: after a return from Palmerston North.

850
00:43:53,053 --> 00:43:55,373
Speaker 3: Up the Canes. Elliott, Okay, let's get it done.

851
00:43:55,373 --> 00:43:59,453
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