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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your

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Speaker 2: The huddle with me at the moment we have Stuart Nash,

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Speaker 2: former Labor Party minister, and clear de Lord journalists. What

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Speaker 2: were you saying to you?

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Speaker 3: I mean, for goodness sake, Goldie, grow some balls those

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Speaker 3: gang pictures, burn them, bury them, blow them up. You

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Speaker 3: just say that acid. Why wouldn't you just say that

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Speaker 3: every key were apart from gang members.

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Speaker 2: On the Labor Party and the Labor Party well.

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Speaker 3: Hey, the vast majority keeper see in the Cord of Poles.

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Speaker 3: I want to see those pictures done away with. So

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Speaker 3: I would say, Goldie, just put them in bats of

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Speaker 4: A good campaignings to well, I know, but which party

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Speaker 4: would it be? New Zealand?

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Speaker 3: Are you giving me an opportunity once again?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Now, because you're totally biased, and because I know you're

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Speaker 2: just going to give us the New Zealand first line, potentially,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to you first, Claire. Do you

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Speaker 2: think you reform the Paris Agreement like David Seemoll says,

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Speaker 2: or pull out If I'm a.

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Speaker 4: Bit of an old softy for what well, you know,

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Speaker 4: I know that it's it's tough in many ways, and

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Speaker 4: it's possibly unattainable. I'd rather be failed inside it than

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Speaker 4: walked away from it. And the reason is I think

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Speaker 4: Peter Gluckman alluded to it because I think so many

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Speaker 4: of our multilateral organizations are failing, and our agreements of

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Speaker 4: falling over international cooperation is less than it was. I

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Speaker 4: think we need more of it and we need to stay.

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Speaker 2: But would you be okay with reforming it?

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Speaker 4: At least? I think, look, why not look at reforming it? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but I would rather be stayed inside it. I think

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Speaker 4: walking away from it is yet another chink in the

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Speaker 2: Because because look, I mean, I think most of us

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Speaker 2: would agree, we've got to try for the climate. But

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Speaker 2: even at the expense of Kiwis who now cannot heat

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Speaker 4: Well, it's time and raised incomes. Eh, that would be good, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I suppose we come in.

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Speaker 2: We could also you know, I don't know, plants, some money,

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Speaker 2: trees or something like that that might help. You know,

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Speaker 2: What do you think to you look, I apologize.

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Speaker 3: Look, this is about brand New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: We have a brand on the global stage which is clean, green,

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Speaker 3: It's sort of morphed into our natural brand, national brand.

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Speaker 3: If we walk away from this, I think it has

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Speaker 3: the risk of devaluing our global brand in everything that

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Speaker 3: New Zealanders or not, everything that everyone oversees thinks that

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Speaker 3: New Zealanders. I mean I look behind you, Heather and

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Speaker 3: you for your listeners. There's a Bohoda charactory, a beautiful

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Speaker 3: perceive that New Zealanders. We pull out of this, it's

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Speaker 3: just one other thing that slowly erodes that brand on

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Speaker 2: And who's buying this brand.

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Speaker 3: The people who are coming over, the tourists, the golden

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Speaker 2: What's pulling us out of the recession?

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Speaker 3: Well farm farmers.

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Speaker 2: And where are the farmers selling their stuff?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the US and China. So actually, while we

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Speaker 3: But also remember that people pay a premium for New

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Speaker 3: You devalue that brand and you will not get a premium.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, look, Clea's talked about amending it. Let's look

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Speaker 4: What you are to mend it? Obviously I wish I

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Speaker 2: What if we have got sufficient momentum and people are

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Speaker 4: It that they are not at the moment? The United

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Speaker 4: makes some very good points about New Zealand's international image.

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Speaker 4: we're pretty good in multi letter organizations, were actually kind

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Speaker 2: Claire, do you think it's weird that Clark and Key

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's weird, but it is a weird

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Speaker 4: at the seventieth. My husband Don McKinnon was invited to

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Speaker 4: Tony Blair was there ten years ago as a personally

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Speaker 4: weirdest person you got to meet, Well, I wouldn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you would expect that after you've killed so

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but the dynamics are really interesting.

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Speaker 2: I was just wondering if I put a target on

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Speaker 4: There's a long list ahead of you, probably and they're

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Speaker 4: all narrow window somewhere I must go.

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Speaker 2: But I don't pull the blinds down, please.

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Speaker 4: But it is a very interesting dynamic because ten years

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Speaker 2: Maybe the weird thing isn't actually that they're there, Stue,

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Speaker 3: Have well, yes, but the fact that you've got two

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Speaker 3: China on side, There's no doubt about that. We saw

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Speaker 3: profile and distinguished politician John Key and Helen Clark being there.

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Speaker 3: It's a very good look for New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: I think the Chinese know they know all of this,

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Speaker 4: you know, the little dance that's going on, that they

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Speaker 4: continue on a really good path. Everyone. That's the game

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle, Stuart Nash and clear

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Speaker 2: to law stew what do you believe the story from

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Speaker 2: the Polish CEO about snatching the hat from the kid.

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Speaker 3: I've seen that. I think it's pretty pretty bad. The

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Speaker 3: shows you're going to be careful in everything you do, right,

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Speaker 3: This is the second time I've seeing this. We had

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Speaker 4: I mean what I know, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is the lesson. Isn't it clear that

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Speaker 4: I think the lesson is just to be a grown

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Speaker 2: My mother say if your mom could see it?

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Speaker 4: If your mother could see you.

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Speaker 2: to the extent that the New Zealand Initiative recommends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes some really good points. Actually, there are

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Speaker 3: there was never a Minister of Revenue before Michael Cullen.

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Speaker 3: Need to give something to Peter Dune. And now there's

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Speaker 3: a Minister of Advance Manufacturing. There's a Minister for South und.

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Speaker 3: I mean, God help us is going to end.

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Speaker 4: I think trevort to Clean was a Minister for revenue.

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Speaker 3: We happened because I was a Minister of revenue as well.

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Speaker 4: But well there we go. But just there everywhere, just

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Speaker 3: But what is happening in EMMP is you are getting

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Speaker 3: more and more Ministers of abc D right through his head.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, well I guess if you're going to have

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Speaker 4: a three headed coalition, everyone's going to want a little

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Speaker 4: David Seymour could lead by example and say, okay, you know,

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Speaker 4: let's just be the first cab off the rank and

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Speaker 4: I'll give up too, and let's see if the others

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Speaker 4: will match it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's got that Monty Pysion Pythonish Minister of

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Speaker 3: to get rid of regulation? Doesn't what it makes sense?

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Speaker 2: It is I I know I can see that the

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Speaker 2: that is, I can see the humor in that particular thing,

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Speaker 2: right yeah, and I feel like you you you laugh

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Speaker 2: at that quite a lot, and right as you fall asleep.

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Speaker 3: Well, next time there will be a two headed government

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Speaker 3: and probably in New Zealand Fester National, So you know

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Speaker 3: you might have to worry about this.

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Speaker 2: Will it be in New Zealand firster and National or

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Speaker 2: will it be New Zealand first and Labor without Chippy?

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Speaker 3: To possible scenarios and if you roll Chippy.

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Speaker 2: To make this happen, who do you replace Chippy with?

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Speaker 3: Barbara Edmonds? Oh, come off, it's to you very sensible woman.

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Speaker 3: She's my ministerial advisor. She knows how to get things done. Okay,

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Speaker 3: maybe she's not as polished as maybe Jesinder is, but

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Speaker 3: better She's better in the media than Chris Lackson.

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Speaker 2: Was she better than Karen though Kiaren's doing a Gesinda

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Speaker 2: where he's pretending he doesn't want to but he actually does.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Karen's got quite a laconic way about him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's we've.

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Speaker 4: Gone down a rabbit hole, but there is a little

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Speaker 4: rabbit hole going on here. I don't want to be

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Speaker 4: in that little hole. Okay, I'm staying out of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you stay in your own hole.

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Speaker 4: Can I just say no leaps out of the rabbit

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Speaker 4: hole as being particularly attractive. This is the problem, guys.

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Speaker 4: It's wonderful to talk to the pair of you. Thank

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Speaker 4: you so much, ste Nash and clear Delay.

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