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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealander, and welcome to Mattin title

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Speaker 2: full show podcast number two six two for the eleventh

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Speaker 2: of December. We did all our topics again today.

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Speaker 3: Got them all out.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I think we did yep. Nothing on the cutting room floor.

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Speaker 2: Shocking Christmas party chat, but we're an additional thing that

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Speaker 2: we added to the show. That last minute was a

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Speaker 2: chat right at the end of the show with a

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Speaker 2: scientist from Attaging University looking into the increased life inspectancy

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Speaker 2: of mammals who have been carstrated. Yeah, so if you

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Speaker 2: want to live longer, then off the back wheels.

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Speaker 3: Yep, chop them off. You get a good ten percent

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Speaker 3: out of that.

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Speaker 2: Yep, or whatever the equivalent it is of getting spade

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Speaker 2: is it? Is it called spade in humans?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, yeah, I can think you can spade

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Speaker 3: a human.

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Speaker 2: I mean there is obviously trade offs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hard trade offs. But it was a fantastic show.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: Very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday show.

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Speaker 3: I hope you're doing pretty well. You're listening in this lovely,

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Speaker 2: Yet a, Tyler good a everyone, You're great New Zealanders.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams

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Speaker 3: He'd be the a res and nineteen nine two is

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Speaker 3: the text now, mate of I've got to we thank

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Speaker 3: you to say to you, yes that you've been you've

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Speaker 3: your living environment at the moment. So that means I've actually,

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Speaker 3: I've actually benefited quite a lot from this situation there

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Speaker 3: Got it up the other weekend. Everything's there, it's huge.

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Speaker 3: But the one I've been really excited by is the

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I want that, And you dropped it off

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Speaker 3: the next day. So I set it up that night.

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Speaker 3: And maybe it's pride of place in the kitchen, sits

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Speaker 3: Nothing better than just a real coffee to sit out there,

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Speaker 2: Think I'm so pleased that you're getting some use out

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Speaker 2: Coffee's bitter, bitter? Did you adjust the coarseness? What are

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Speaker 3: What's happened to you?

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Speaker 3: You send through a photo of that coffee machine, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a small joys in life, though, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: They're just making a good cup of coffee, And I

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Speaker 2: No, it is. It's it's making a ritual out of

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Speaker 3: three o'clock. Christmas parties. Now, obviously they're ramping up. We've

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of truth. That's a beautifully written

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Speaker 3: When you slowly start to realize that you are turning

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Speaker 2: Well, isn't there the saying that you know in your

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I know their face. Yeah, that's going to

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Speaker 3: let's have a chat about migration into New Zealand. So

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Speaker 2: So twenty six thousand Kiwis who were living overseas decided

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Speaker 2: we should be celebrating. I personally think this constant running

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Speaker 2: our media don't see us constantly winging and making up

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Speaker 3: It's a strange thing, isn't it. It's a smugness by

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Speaker 3: in that has done a lot of good for whoever

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Speaker 3: But then to get smug and somehow get a kick

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Speaker 2: And look, whilst absolutely we should, you know, if you

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Speaker 2: personal gain. Good on you, absolutely, but you're not better

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Speaker 3: Let's get into this one. It's going to be a

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Speaker 3: great chat. Nine two ninety two is that text number

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Speaker 3: as well? But come on through it is quarter past one.

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Speaker 3: Will be back very surely.

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Speaker 2: The only people coming back of the dead wood coming

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Speaker 3: Oh come on, you're better than that. Shme on, it's Christmas.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: so we're keen to hear from you. If you've recently

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Speaker 2: I've come back from Europe because the climate over there

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Speaker 3: Good Man, there you go, Hi, Tyler and Matt.

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Speaker 2: The kiwis returning home. We are listed globally as the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they absolutely whinge about their country.

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Speaker 3: It's good metaphor.

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Speaker 2: And also you go overseas and there is this honeymoon

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that grass is green and fallacy, and just quickly

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Speaker 3: I each you got some family members who they're coming

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Speaker 2: There's a support network that's sort of invisible till you

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Speaker 3: So true, Yeah, that's around.

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Speaker 2: Heaps of Kiwis went on their oe after COVID two

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Speaker 2: to settle down this text. Get your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, Australia is an amazing place for one

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends, depends if you want to buy a

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Speaker 6: That's true, yes, but for a major city, you know,

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Speaker 6: Sorry to not mention Wellington, but it kind of doesn't

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Speaker 6: Age I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: What about cross chach Cross each a good place?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 2: It's the place everyone's talking up now. I haven't lived

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Speaker 6: Know, absolutely right, I think, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: What's the population just off your top of your head.

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Speaker 2: Thousand, two point three million? There by a long oh my,

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Speaker 2: oh my goodness. Okay, I've got Perth totally wrong. That's

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Speaker 6: I mean yeah, you can buy a unit, say an

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Speaker 6: But you can still get on the property ladder for

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Speaker 3: Very different in places like Melbourne and Sydney and Brisbane

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I don't. I think that once Australians actually

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Speaker 5: Do you know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm just reading up on Perth because you brought it

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Speaker 2: By the mid twenty thirties, it's expected to have a

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow they boy boy, they are growing fast. Wow.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's an amazing place in my mind. It's

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Speaker 6: It's I missed the summers there, Like winter is basically

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Speaker 6: It's such a good place and people West Australians are

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Speaker 2: It's interesting Perth because from a New Zealand perspective, it

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's not that long though, you.

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Speaker 2: Know how much how much how much would a house

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty, because you can get pretty good deals

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Speaker 6: The population, what's the population of christ.

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Speaker 2: Pushing five pushing half a mil?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is a city well, not compared to obviously, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: It sort of feels like you're comparing christ Church to

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Speaker 2: And of course these people would like to be referred

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Speaker 3: Come on through?

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Speaker 6: Really, honestly, I can't say enough good things about it. Like,

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what a lot of people say the Australia

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Speaker 2: but you try living in Sydney and try and do anything,

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Speaker 6: Street here, everything's so easy to do here, really, like

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Speaker 6: it's tough for Australia, you know, it really is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's a good thing for us kiwi's And

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Speaker 3: I take it that you're enjoying life here now. Key,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm definitely enjoying these warmer days. People are like, oh,

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Speaker 6: it's hot, and I'm like, it's warm.

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Speaker 3: That's spoken like a true Western Australian yees. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: proud to be a Kiwi for sure. Like it means

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Speaker 6: I just think that moving forward, I just think that

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Speaker 3: I thought it was amazing because people were just beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: People just talked it up. Do do you think that

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Speaker 6: But I think the tall poppy syndrome is really what's

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Speaker 6: soon as I returned. I was like, whoa, this is

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Speaker 6: this is bad. It's just embarrassing that we are so

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Speaker 2: Well, that's one of THEO. If you put it that way,

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Speaker 2: it's just jealousy, isn't it. I thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your call. CAT appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great call. Oh one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call? Love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you. If you've recently had family members return, why

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Speaker 3: are they returning to New Zealand? Nine nine till was

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Speaker 1: You're home for the big names in sports. It's the

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Speaker 1: Mike Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 10: Mark Cuban, the US villionaire businessman has his hands in

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Speaker 10: all sorts of hies, tech, media, health, insurance, the NBA

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Speaker 10: and Mark Cubans does make great to have you on

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Speaker 10: the show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my pleasure.

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Speaker 11: Howther?

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Speaker 12: But I got to show you what I'm wearing.

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Speaker 1: Go to represent Lovely All Blacks Jersey.

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Speaker 12: I've been a rugby player fan since I've been eighteen

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Speaker 12: years old, so I've got a little collection.

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Speaker 10: Okay, And I need to borrow your brain for this

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Speaker 10: because you famously turned around the Dallas Mavericks when you

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Speaker 10: bought it right, So Rudby's in a really difficult position

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Speaker 10: where it's just not making money.

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Speaker 2: What would you do to say this.

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Speaker 12: It's hard, right, but you've got to make it more

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Speaker 12: fun in the stands because it's not as much a

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Speaker 12: spectacle when you go to a match.

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Speaker 1: Hither duplusy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfasts back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at six am with a Vita Retirement Communities on news Talks,

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Speaker 1: he'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: It's one thirty. So we are discussing the idea of

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Speaker 3: the brain drain starting to turn a corner. That's according

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Speaker 3: to stats in z figures that show tens of thousands

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Speaker 3: of Kiwis are now starting to return home and analysts

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Speaker 3: say we may be starting to turn that corner. So

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Speaker 3: if you've recently come back into New Zealand from living overseas,

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Speaker 3: love to hear from you on oh, eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty that text number nine two ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Christ Church is a lovely city, is a lovely place,

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Speaker 2: but it is not a city. It's a town that

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Speaker 2: grew a little bit bigger.

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Speaker 3: Jake, there's a little bit of truth for that. Christonians.

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Speaker 3: Is that Christonians, you call them Cantabrians. They won't like

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Speaker 3: hearing that, but it is, you know, it's effectively Christonians Christians,

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Speaker 3: christ Churchians, you're Frost Churchians, you're from there, Maine. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know I should get it right, So let's say Cantabrians.

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Speaker 3: I think it goes out. So I think it is

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Speaker 3: a town that just turned into a city and now

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Speaker 3: people were starting to love it because it's got a

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Speaker 3: beautiful stadium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's this thing that happens when

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Speaker 2: you go overseas where you were willing to live much

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Speaker 2: further away from the center, but in New Zealand we

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Speaker 2: expect to live really close.

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Speaker 3: Great point.

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Speaker 2: So people talking about living an hour out of town

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Speaker 2: in Perth and the price is only that So this Texas, Hey, lads,

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Speaker 2: we bought a three bedroom house in Amblee on a

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Speaker 2: nine hundred meters square section for four hundred and fifty k.

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Speaker 2: That's about forty minutes out of christ So it's definitely

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Speaker 2: achievable to own your own house here. And Belie's great too.

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Speaker 2: It's small but has everything you need. Cheers Nick. So

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Speaker 2: if you're in a big city and people that move

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Speaker 2: to hear from Britain and someone might call up about this,

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Speaker 2: so e one hundred and eighty ten eighty they laugh

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Speaker 2: at you know when we talk about, you know how

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Speaker 2: hard it is to get into the city, and they

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Speaker 2: move to the North Shore and go what we'll yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is.

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Speaker 3: Pretty closely, this is pretty close. Takes me twenty eight

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Speaker 3: minutes to drive to work. Says that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Left New Zealand in the nineteen ninety moved to Singapore.

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Speaker 2: To six two thousand and six is probably a better

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Speaker 2: way to say that Matt and got absolutely zero help

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Speaker 2: or support in Singapore. Lost everything, job, income, savings. New

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Speaker 2: Zealand was the only country that would let me my

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Speaker 2: wife in during COVID Australia said she had to wait

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Speaker 2: outside oswell they assessed her application. We arrived eight September

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty and they have never looked back. New Zealand

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Speaker 2: is the best country. We've toured, the whole country, and

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Speaker 2: it is the best great job for us, both temperate weather.

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Speaker 2: We are blessed in fortunate and the best gift I

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Speaker 2: could give my wife as New Zealand citizenship. She's even

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Speaker 2: been welcomed by politicians and governors general. My only gripe

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Speaker 2: is that New Zealand is far too lenient on crime.

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Speaker 2: Returning from Singapore, where fifteen grams as execution and therefore

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Speaker 2: Serra drug problems. We've loved being back and we're only

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Speaker 2: saying this, how blessed, lucky and fortunate. We were only

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Speaker 2: just saying how blessed luck unfortunate we feel, and so

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Speaker 2: full of gratitude, so loving it here just bringing the

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Speaker 2: death penalty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't make around in Singapore today. Right back

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Speaker 3: in a moment. But taking your calls on oh eight

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty if you or a family member

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Speaker 3: have recently come back to New Zealand, can to hear

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Speaker 3: from you about why. Headlines with Rayling coming up twenty

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Speaker 3: seven to.

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Speaker 1: Two youth Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis

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Speaker 1: it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

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Speaker 8: Police are asking the valley community for any information as

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Speaker 8: they investigate a three week old's serious injuries, including a

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Speaker 8: broken leg. Family took the new born to hospital on

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Speaker 8: Tuesday last week, but police accounts of the circumstances are varying.

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Speaker 8: New Plymouth Lake Urutumanu is being drained today, taking four

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Speaker 8: days too empty. In an effort to stop invasive gold clams.

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Speaker 8: Three more teens have been arrested and charged with murder

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Speaker 8: over the death of US student Kyle Warrell at an

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Speaker 8: Auckland bus stop. Five teens have now been charged and

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Speaker 8: a thirty three year old woman. It's believed of Venezuela

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Speaker 8: and vessels seized off its coast by the US this

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Speaker 8: morning was a dark fleet oil tanker. Police and Customs

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Speaker 8: recommended caution on government moves announced today to slash regulations

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Speaker 8: on growing hemp, removing the need for a license. Our

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Speaker 8: lawyers turn routine legal work into a luxury few can afford.

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Speaker 8: You can see the full column at ends at Herald Premium.

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Speaker 8: Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raileen. Twenty three to two. So

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Speaker 3: we're talking about the reverse of the brain drain. Stats

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Speaker 3: out from Stat's News Zeland, of course, show that seems

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Speaker 3: to be the case. Twenty six thousand Kiwis have returned

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Speaker 3: back into the country in the year to October. That's

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Speaker 3: a seven percent increase in departures have drop fourteen percent.

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Speaker 3: So if that's you or members of your family they've

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Speaker 3: come back to New Zealand, love to hear from you

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Speaker 3: about why. I wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is that number?

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Speaker 2: Christ Church? These people saying that christ Church is not

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Speaker 2: a city, that it's a town.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Population four hundred and ten thousand went up one percent

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Speaker 2: in the last year. Four hundred and ten thousand is

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Speaker 2: a city, Come on, it's good number. The stick says,

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Speaker 2: if it's got a cathedral, then it's a city.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a pretty rough cathedral at the moment, to

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Speaker 3: be honest. And christ Church it's there, it's just you know,

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Speaker 3: just a little bit holy.

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Speaker 2: That's not the only cathedral in christ Church. So was it.

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Speaker 3: There's a cardboard cathedral, you know that was that was

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Speaker 3: whacked up for five million? Say, yeah, there's a cardboard cathedral.

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Speaker 3: There's the cathedral that's a ruin at the moment. And

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Speaker 3: the basilica. Did they rebuild the basilica? Someone will know

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Speaker 3: text through nine two nine two. I think they did

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Speaker 3: rebuild the basilica. The Catholic Cathedral is beautiful.

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Speaker 2: So it's got main cathedrals, right, Yeah, there's the Cathedral

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Speaker 2: of the Blessed Sacrament and the Cathedral of Saint Mary.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So there's there's a couple of cathedrals in there.

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Speaker 2: So what is the definition of a city. Let's look

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Speaker 2: into this. What is the definition of a city. And

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Speaker 2: then we'll get back to that because you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: from Dunedin and if you if you're going to try

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Speaker 2: and take christ Church's city status.

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Speaker 3: Away, then what does that mean for DNA?

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Speaker 2: Then Donners is in trouble. Learn you know some people

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Speaker 2: that have returned to New Zealand.

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Speaker 11: Yes, and I'll tell you that christ You's just always

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Speaker 11: been a city, never not been a city, not a

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Speaker 11: small town. So don't let them know.

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Speaker 3: That terrible.

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Speaker 11: They don't know the history. There's nine people link to us.

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Speaker 11: So they're coming back from Australia, including our son and

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Speaker 11: daughter in law who's the Adelaide girl. And but they're

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Speaker 11: coming back and my son they have a job, and

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Speaker 11: the other family the five of them, six of them,

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Speaker 11: and they've decided to come back. They've lived in Sydney

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Speaker 11: or just the outer regions of Sydney and they're coming

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Speaker 11: back here. And so that's nine people that we know.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, and I must say that Adelaide's a beautiful

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Speaker 11: city where daughter in law comes from. And know they

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Speaker 11: want to change and my son quite keen to come back,

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Speaker 11: and they're very keen, both of them, and they're going

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Speaker 11: to and.

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Speaker 2: They're going to come back to was it christ Church?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, there yet And do you think that because all

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Speaker 2: the talk around christ Church is positive at the moment,

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Speaker 2: do you think that that you know, so if you're overseas,

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Speaker 2: and when you're overseas and you're an expect key, you're

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Speaker 2: you get you're still looking at the media and you're

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Speaker 2: still reading what's happening here. And and there's been a

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Speaker 2: lot of people getting clicks and likes and follows from

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Speaker 2: running running down New Zealand. But the talk about christ

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Speaker 2: Church has been has been very good. And do you

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Speaker 2: think do you think that helps helps people coming back

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Speaker 2: if they get online and then people are saying positive stuff.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I think so. But he's always had that fashion,

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Speaker 11: you know, he's yearned to come back and the time

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Speaker 11: has come. They've discussed it and that's it. And he's

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Speaker 11: got We've got our daughter here and her family that

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Speaker 11: came back here from Wellington two years ago. So yeah,

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Speaker 11: so that's the pool too. I think the family all

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Speaker 11: together again after twenty four years.

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Speaker 2: How good. Yeah, welcoming back to New Zealand, Great kiws So.

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Speaker 2: In New Zealand, a city is legally defined as a

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Speaker 2: territorial authority with a population of at least fifty thousand,

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Speaker 2: you've got to tick over fifty thousand. So forty nine

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety nine. Not a city, yep, you're a

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Speaker 2: town over fifty thousand, so I know, so fifty thousand.

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Speaker 2: It has to be over fifty thousand being a predominantly

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Speaker 2: urban area, a distinct entity in a major center of activity.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, how do you define what a major's

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Speaker 2: interactivity is?

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Speaker 3: That donedd sounds like donated, it's a major's interactivity. It's

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Speaker 3: a lot going on in mate.

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Speaker 2: Dadian's got one hundred and forty thousand people. It is

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Speaker 2: one hundred and forty Dunedin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, jesus, I'm out of the loop on the population game.

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Speaker 3: So Perce got two point three million, Dunedin's one hundred

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Speaker 3: and forty. What's Nelson these days? Nelson's the city, isn't

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Speaker 3: it now? Okay, okay, I'll walk that back.

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Speaker 2: It's one hunt it's currently in the last census, and

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Speaker 2: we all know the last census was a lot of rubbish.

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Speaker 2: But one hundred and thirty one thousand, three hundred people

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Speaker 2: in Dunedin. So that's that's nearly you know, give it

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Speaker 2: a few years and it'll be three times a city.

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Speaker 3: Go donners, Bruce, how are you?

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Speaker 13: Who's that? Tony? Is that me?

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Speaker 2: That is Bruce? Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, oh guys, how's it going very good? Yeah? Hey, listen, well,

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Speaker 13: I haven't lived in Nazi Azi. We've been over a

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Speaker 13: number of times. We do have the odd relation over there.

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Speaker 13: But you know, just a few little facts about people

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Speaker 13: who think it's so cheap to live over there. Firsty,

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Speaker 13: car insurance is incredibly expensive. That's That's the first thing.

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Speaker 13: A thing that's dear to my heart, which is alcohol,

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Speaker 13: especially b or something. I was with a guy in

654
00:30:26,653 --> 00:30:31,053
Speaker 13: the supermarket just up from home here in Hamilton, and

655
00:30:31,093 --> 00:30:34,493
Speaker 13: we were both looking at the liquor. Shouldn't be doing it,

656
00:30:34,533 --> 00:30:40,013
Speaker 13: but and he said, mate, he said, you're cheap over here.

657
00:30:40,133 --> 00:30:43,733
Speaker 13: I said, he said, you know a six pack? He said,

658
00:30:43,733 --> 00:30:47,853
Speaker 13: it's seventeen dollars ninety five for a six pack. That's

659
00:30:47,893 --> 00:30:54,493
Speaker 13: Australian too, So you know, that's that's not only that

660
00:30:55,493 --> 00:31:02,693
Speaker 13: electricity prices over there rising rapidly. They were supposed to

661
00:31:02,693 --> 00:31:05,653
Speaker 13: be coming down because Elbow promised two hundred and seventy

662
00:31:05,693 --> 00:31:10,973
Speaker 13: five dollars cheaper at the original election, but he's wound

663
00:31:11,013 --> 00:31:14,693
Speaker 13: that back in action. In fact, they've put it up

664
00:31:14,773 --> 00:31:18,813
Speaker 13: because the cost of trying to go on the renewables

665
00:31:18,853 --> 00:31:22,133
Speaker 13: over there is the skyrocketed because of the huge distance

666
00:31:22,213 --> 00:31:24,453
Speaker 13: that you have to put so far as wiring and

667
00:31:24,613 --> 00:31:32,893
Speaker 13: everything goes on. Housing. Now, housing in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane,

668
00:31:33,573 --> 00:31:38,333
Speaker 13: in the reasonable city part would be out of the

669
00:31:38,373 --> 00:31:41,213
Speaker 13: reach of a fair chunk of any New Zealanders you

670
00:31:41,253 --> 00:31:43,013
Speaker 13: were going to. If you want to buy a house,

671
00:31:43,093 --> 00:31:45,333
Speaker 13: yes you can, but you have to go a long

672
00:31:45,373 --> 00:31:51,173
Speaker 13: way house. And remember that you have to pay there's

673
00:31:51,213 --> 00:31:53,853
Speaker 13: a tax on it. I can't think what the word

674
00:31:53,933 --> 00:31:56,653
Speaker 13: is now that there's a stamp duty. You've got to

675
00:31:56,653 --> 00:32:00,173
Speaker 13: pay stamp duty on a house. Okay, so the price

676
00:32:00,253 --> 00:32:02,493
Speaker 13: is the price and then you pay the stamp duty,

677
00:32:02,533 --> 00:32:05,413
Speaker 13: which is another tax on. So that goes on top

678
00:32:05,413 --> 00:32:07,853
Speaker 13: of the price of what what you pay for the

679
00:32:09,373 --> 00:32:13,533
Speaker 13: for the house. And you know, like food prices, they

680
00:32:13,533 --> 00:32:17,253
Speaker 13: don't have GST on their food. But for instance, my

681
00:32:17,373 --> 00:32:20,573
Speaker 13: spread that I use, it's a nine ninety five in

682
00:32:20,653 --> 00:32:24,133
Speaker 13: New Zealand. There was nine to ninety five in Australia.

683
00:32:24,213 --> 00:32:27,613
Speaker 13: Now that was just one example, but it's you can

684
00:32:27,733 --> 00:32:30,133
Speaker 13: take some things that are cheaper than some things that

685
00:32:30,173 --> 00:32:34,093
Speaker 13: are cheaper here, but overall you'll find that.

686
00:32:34,133 --> 00:32:34,333
Speaker 5: Oh.

687
00:32:34,413 --> 00:32:37,973
Speaker 13: The other big thing, of course is the base rate.

688
00:32:38,573 --> 00:32:40,933
Speaker 13: The Reserve Bank in Australia has failed to drop the

689
00:32:40,973 --> 00:32:46,293
Speaker 13: base rate for the last three quarters and it's still

690
00:32:46,333 --> 00:32:49,933
Speaker 13: at three point eight out of courses. You know is

691
00:32:50,213 --> 00:32:52,173
Speaker 13: I think it's at two point twenty five if I

692
00:32:52,213 --> 00:32:56,693
Speaker 13: remember right. So this is all adding a third of

693
00:32:56,773 --> 00:33:00,053
Speaker 13: Australians and you can check it on Sky News are

694
00:33:00,173 --> 00:33:05,613
Speaker 13: actually having problems with their mortgage areas. Okay, so you

695
00:33:05,693 --> 00:33:08,813
Speaker 13: see this is just the things I mean, and and

696
00:33:08,933 --> 00:33:12,093
Speaker 13: just the last thing. Everywhere you go, something's trying to

697
00:33:12,173 --> 00:33:12,493
Speaker 13: kill you.

698
00:33:13,813 --> 00:33:16,413
Speaker 3: That's so very true. Not the land of the Honey.

699
00:33:16,453 --> 00:33:18,653
Speaker 2: I was talking Overdrive last night. He grew up in Fiji,

700
00:33:18,693 --> 00:33:21,773
Speaker 2: and he was talking about how fantastic Fiji village life

701
00:33:21,893 --> 00:33:23,653
Speaker 2: was because he was saying he was so happy. He

702
00:33:23,653 --> 00:33:26,293
Speaker 2: didn't have undies until he was sixteen, but he said

703
00:33:26,333 --> 00:33:29,253
Speaker 2: he didn't mind. They were very poor, but he said,

704
00:33:29,373 --> 00:33:31,373
Speaker 2: you know, you could just eat. It was just food

705
00:33:31,413 --> 00:33:33,333
Speaker 2: to grab off trees everywhere, so you could run around

706
00:33:33,333 --> 00:33:34,973
Speaker 2: as a kid. And I said, but what if you

707
00:33:35,053 --> 00:33:36,533
Speaker 2: lie down and you get eaten by a snake and

708
00:33:36,533 --> 00:33:39,333
Speaker 2: he goes, no, no, there's nothing that will kill you

709
00:33:39,813 --> 00:33:43,973
Speaker 2: in Fiji, not like Australia. Yeah, well no, you lie

710
00:33:44,013 --> 00:33:46,893
Speaker 2: down in some bush and Australia and basically rolling the

711
00:33:46,933 --> 00:33:49,773
Speaker 2: dice of life. Yeah, the ocera is at two point

712
00:33:49,813 --> 00:33:51,853
Speaker 2: twenty five, by the way. But great call from you.

713
00:33:51,853 --> 00:33:54,733
Speaker 3: Bruce, Thank you very much, taking more of your calls

714
00:33:54,773 --> 00:33:56,893
Speaker 3: on one hundred and eighteen eighty. This Texasy is christ

715
00:33:56,893 --> 00:33:59,333
Speaker 3: which is basically a city on borrowed time. It's built

716
00:33:59,373 --> 00:34:02,213
Speaker 3: on swampy, low lying ground that's already sinking add and

717
00:34:02,293 --> 00:34:05,093
Speaker 3: rising sea levels and stronger storms from climate change, and

718
00:34:05,133 --> 00:34:07,533
Speaker 3: sooner or later parts of it are going underwater. This

719
00:34:07,653 --> 00:34:10,973
Speaker 3: is not alarmist, it's just reality we're facing. But you

720
00:34:11,053 --> 00:34:13,533
Speaker 3: guys are basically setting people up for disaster. Tell him

721
00:34:13,533 --> 00:34:14,212
Speaker 3: to walk down there.

722
00:34:14,652 --> 00:34:15,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I.

723
00:34:15,573 --> 00:34:17,692
Speaker 3: There's a lot of christ hutch hate look come through

724
00:34:17,693 --> 00:34:18,173
Speaker 3: on the text.

725
00:34:18,653 --> 00:34:22,533
Speaker 2: Move down there, just maybe pick up a snorkel built

726
00:34:22,573 --> 00:34:24,293
Speaker 2: them from the warehouse.

727
00:34:24,093 --> 00:34:24,813
Speaker 3: Get a good kayak.

728
00:34:24,813 --> 00:34:25,133
Speaker 2: All right.

729
00:34:25,253 --> 00:34:26,413
Speaker 3: It is fourteen to two.

730
00:34:27,293 --> 00:34:30,573
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

731
00:34:30,613 --> 00:34:34,373
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

732
00:34:34,613 --> 00:34:35,533
Speaker 1: used talks that'd.

733
00:34:35,373 --> 00:34:37,853
Speaker 3: Be eleven to two if you were a family member.

734
00:34:37,853 --> 00:34:40,013
Speaker 3: Have recently returned to New Zealand, really can have a

735
00:34:40,093 --> 00:34:42,053
Speaker 3: chat with your eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, it

736
00:34:42,133 --> 00:34:44,573
Speaker 3: seems according to Stats New Zealand, the brain drain might

737
00:34:44,573 --> 00:34:45,373
Speaker 3: be turned in the corner.

738
00:34:45,573 --> 00:34:47,773
Speaker 2: I never had a problem with snakes or spiders and

739
00:34:47,933 --> 00:34:49,933
Speaker 2: was in a rural area. Mostly it's not what you

740
00:34:49,973 --> 00:34:52,453
Speaker 2: think about Australia. Yeah, yeah, but we've got to start

741
00:34:52,533 --> 00:34:56,293
Speaker 2: running down Australia, don't you. Instead of people making their

742
00:34:56,493 --> 00:34:59,893
Speaker 2: their livings and getting their likes and clicks and social

743
00:34:59,973 --> 00:35:04,813
Speaker 2: media status from crapping all over New Zealand, let's just

744
00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:06,853
Speaker 2: keep running down the Let's run down Australia and talk

745
00:35:06,933 --> 00:35:07,453
Speaker 2: up New Zealand.

746
00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:09,293
Speaker 3: Okay, why wouldn't you? And there's a heap of snakes

747
00:35:09,293 --> 00:35:11,333
Speaker 3: and spiders over there. Everything will kill you, no doubt

748
00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:11,573
Speaker 3: about it.

749
00:35:11,653 --> 00:35:13,733
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, My twenty four or twenty four year old

750
00:35:13,773 --> 00:35:15,813
Speaker 2: daughter returns to New Zealand on Saturday. She went to

751
00:35:15,893 --> 00:35:17,732
Speaker 2: I was he two years ago, earning a much higher

752
00:35:17,813 --> 00:35:20,133
Speaker 2: salary and lived close to her Brisbane job the River

753
00:35:20,213 --> 00:35:23,013
Speaker 2: and Parks. She joined sports clubs, traveled for work and leisure.

754
00:35:23,213 --> 00:35:25,293
Speaker 2: When I asked her if she had any regrets deciding

755
00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:27,973
Speaker 2: to return home, she simply said, the people I love

756
00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:30,853
Speaker 2: and want to hang out with are here in aatiera

757
00:35:30,973 --> 00:35:33,813
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. Pretty good reason in my mind. I'm happy.

758
00:35:33,893 --> 00:35:36,172
Speaker 2: I'm a happy mum and won't argue with that. Great show.

759
00:35:36,213 --> 00:35:37,533
Speaker 2: Have a great Christmas cheers, Anne.

760
00:35:37,613 --> 00:35:40,493
Speaker 3: That is beautiful. What a great daughter, Barrye. You're an

761
00:35:40,493 --> 00:35:41,973
Speaker 3: Australian from Newcastle?

762
00:35:42,093 --> 00:35:42,573
Speaker 1: Was that right?

763
00:35:43,693 --> 00:35:43,893
Speaker 14: Yeah?

764
00:35:44,253 --> 00:35:45,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, good man.

765
00:35:45,453 --> 00:35:49,853
Speaker 15: I moved over here. I was actually on the third

766
00:35:49,933 --> 00:35:52,893
Speaker 15: floor out of sitting me up. The borders open in

767
00:35:53,013 --> 00:35:54,613
Speaker 15: May of one?

768
00:35:54,813 --> 00:35:55,413
Speaker 1: Oh wow?

769
00:35:56,413 --> 00:36:00,453
Speaker 2: And so had you decided to move but you know

770
00:36:00,613 --> 00:36:03,333
Speaker 2: was shut down or you just decided during the lockdown

771
00:36:03,373 --> 00:36:03,973
Speaker 2: times to move.

772
00:36:05,373 --> 00:36:06,293
Speaker 16: I actually was going to.

773
00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:11,692
Speaker 15: Move before the pandemic and the job that I came

774
00:36:11,733 --> 00:36:16,333
Speaker 15: to the Luckily they held it open for me. I

775
00:36:16,413 --> 00:36:19,173
Speaker 15: was you have come over here in May of twenty twenty?

776
00:36:20,453 --> 00:36:23,373
Speaker 3: Nice? And what made you make the move to New Zealand?

777
00:36:24,973 --> 00:36:25,413
Speaker 16: Ah?

778
00:36:25,653 --> 00:36:30,493
Speaker 15: Lifestyle? Yeah, lifestyle mainly.

779
00:36:30,613 --> 00:36:32,373
Speaker 2: And where did you move to?

780
00:36:33,973 --> 00:36:36,253
Speaker 15: I live just outside of Talfo.

781
00:36:36,613 --> 00:36:38,093
Speaker 3: Oh lovely, Oh good spot.

782
00:36:38,213 --> 00:36:40,813
Speaker 2: I'm off the tomorrow for the weekend. What a place,

783
00:36:40,853 --> 00:36:42,413
Speaker 2: what a spot, what a part of the world.

784
00:36:45,093 --> 00:36:46,053
Speaker 15: Yeah, me and my wife.

785
00:36:46,173 --> 00:36:47,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're happy with the movie.

786
00:36:48,893 --> 00:36:50,373
Speaker 16: Oh love it mate, love it.

787
00:36:50,653 --> 00:36:52,253
Speaker 3: Never Sorry, we're.

788
00:36:52,093 --> 00:36:56,293
Speaker 15: Only waiting until May next year and we can get

789
00:36:56,333 --> 00:36:58,333
Speaker 15: our citizenship on you.

790
00:36:58,533 --> 00:37:01,133
Speaker 3: Welcome on board, Barry, what a good man. Welcome to

791
00:37:01,253 --> 00:37:03,813
Speaker 3: New Zealand, your legend right backing the mo. It is

792
00:37:03,973 --> 00:37:04,853
Speaker 3: eight to two.

793
00:37:06,293 --> 00:37:09,893
Speaker 1: Maddies, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and

794
00:37:09,933 --> 00:37:14,253
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

795
00:37:14,013 --> 00:37:17,893
Speaker 3: Envy, very good afternoons here. It is six two two

796
00:37:17,933 --> 00:37:20,453
Speaker 3: and we have been talking about the reversal of the

797
00:37:20,493 --> 00:37:23,373
Speaker 3: brain drain stats New Zealand figures are showing that is

798
00:37:23,413 --> 00:37:24,533
Speaker 3: starting to turn around.

799
00:37:25,013 --> 00:37:28,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. So as I was saying, for twenty six thousands

800
00:37:28,453 --> 00:37:33,013
Speaker 2: Kiwi citizens return to New Zealand's that's a big nanity.

801
00:37:33,133 --> 00:37:35,013
Speaker 2: But that's a big town coming back to New Zealand,

802
00:37:35,133 --> 00:37:39,453
Speaker 2: and it's good. And for me it's I think New

803
00:37:39,533 --> 00:37:41,853
Speaker 2: Zealand is a fantastic place to live. But I think

804
00:37:41,853 --> 00:37:43,733
Speaker 2: we need to be talking it up here. Yeah, because

805
00:37:43,733 --> 00:37:46,893
Speaker 2: we've just got into this cycle of winging and whining

806
00:37:46,893 --> 00:37:50,493
Speaker 2: and running down where we are and talking up overseas places.

807
00:37:50,533 --> 00:37:52,853
Speaker 2: Why would we do that? A little bit of gratitude

808
00:37:52,893 --> 00:37:56,413
Speaker 2: for our country. And so when our expats look at

809
00:37:56,933 --> 00:38:00,252
Speaker 2: New Zealand media, they should see positivity about it. Yeah,

810
00:38:00,293 --> 00:38:03,013
Speaker 2: we need to start shaming the people that run things down.

811
00:38:03,093 --> 00:38:05,692
Speaker 2: Someone that's putting up a TikTok saying New Zealand's crap

812
00:38:05,693 --> 00:38:08,293
Speaker 2: and you should leave. They're doing it for their own benefit,

813
00:38:08,413 --> 00:38:10,533
Speaker 2: those people. Those people are running it down for the

814
00:38:10,573 --> 00:38:13,813
Speaker 2: clicks and likes and financial game for themselves. So when

815
00:38:13,813 --> 00:38:15,813
Speaker 2: people do that, we need to start calling them traitors.

816
00:38:15,853 --> 00:38:17,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not patriots.

817
00:38:17,173 --> 00:38:20,413
Speaker 2: Ungrateful WIMPs. I mean, if you can't handle it in

818
00:38:20,453 --> 00:38:22,533
Speaker 2: New Zealand, sure go overseas if you want to when

819
00:38:22,573 --> 00:38:24,933
Speaker 2: you want to try other things. But let's not celebrate

820
00:38:24,973 --> 00:38:27,533
Speaker 2: people for running down New Zealand. And let's not celebrate

821
00:38:27,573 --> 00:38:31,773
Speaker 2: people for leaving. Let's celebrate the people that stay in

822
00:38:31,813 --> 00:38:35,293
Speaker 2: New Zealand and work hard for the community and make

823
00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:36,693
Speaker 2: the place a better place.

824
00:38:36,813 --> 00:38:38,293
Speaker 3: Yep, that's all we want here, Not.

825
00:38:38,773 --> 00:38:40,733
Speaker 2: What your country can do for you, but what you

826
00:38:40,773 --> 00:38:41,813
Speaker 2: can do for your country.

827
00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:45,853
Speaker 3: That kind of attitude, Yeah, beautifully said this text would

828
00:38:45,973 --> 00:38:48,293
Speaker 3: mirror that opinion. Get our guys. Our son returned home

829
00:38:48,333 --> 00:38:50,933
Speaker 3: two weeks ago after two years. He says, the grass

830
00:38:50,973 --> 00:38:55,053
Speaker 3: is not greener in Australia. Bigger population, bigger issues, heavy traffic, crime,

831
00:38:55,093 --> 00:38:58,973
Speaker 3: climate change, becoming too hot, rents too high, housing too expensive,

832
00:38:59,093 --> 00:39:01,893
Speaker 3: too many things that kill you. If you want lifestyle

833
00:39:02,133 --> 00:39:04,813
Speaker 3: and work nearby, you need to come to New Zealand.

834
00:39:04,813 --> 00:39:05,613
Speaker 3: There's no better place.

835
00:39:05,653 --> 00:39:07,973
Speaker 2: There's all these people that say, look, I've got a

836
00:39:07,973 --> 00:39:10,293
Speaker 2: relationship and moved over to Australia and bought a house

837
00:39:10,333 --> 00:39:13,333
Speaker 2: a mere ninety minutes out of somewhere for four hundred

838
00:39:13,333 --> 00:39:15,453
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars. You can find places like that

839
00:39:15,493 --> 00:39:17,613
Speaker 2: in New Zealand if you're willing to live a bit

840
00:39:17,653 --> 00:39:18,212
Speaker 2: further out.

841
00:39:18,333 --> 00:39:21,533
Speaker 3: Yep, certainly can. Yeah, it's boost up our own country.

842
00:39:21,653 --> 00:39:23,893
Speaker 2: And this person's sticking up for Christich, they said. This

843
00:39:23,973 --> 00:39:28,653
Speaker 2: person said Christ which isn't borrowed time, Try Wellington and Auckland.

844
00:39:28,693 --> 00:39:30,053
Speaker 2: You guys will be gone within days.

845
00:39:30,133 --> 00:39:33,293
Speaker 3: Okay, shocks fires, All right, great discussion. Thank you very

846
00:39:33,373 --> 00:39:36,333
Speaker 3: much for everyone who called in text over that last

847
00:39:36,373 --> 00:39:39,413
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes coming up after two o'clock. How do you

848
00:39:39,493 --> 00:39:42,773
Speaker 3: know when you're slowly turning into your parents. So eight

849
00:39:42,813 --> 00:39:44,693
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number.

850
00:39:44,733 --> 00:39:46,853
Speaker 2: That's when you have big grants like I just had before.

851
00:39:47,693 --> 00:39:50,013
Speaker 3: Thanks Dad, you support it. Weather coming up.

852
00:39:55,133 --> 00:39:58,453
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

853
00:39:58,493 --> 00:40:00,773
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

854
00:40:00,813 --> 00:40:04,333
Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the

855
00:40:04,373 --> 00:40:08,933
Speaker 3: show sex past too. So many people eventually realize I

856
00:40:08,973 --> 00:40:11,093
Speaker 3: think they're starting to behave a lot like the appearance.

857
00:40:11,133 --> 00:40:14,893
Speaker 3: As often in small subtle ways that creep in over time,

858
00:40:14,973 --> 00:40:17,493
Speaker 3: you might catch yourself repeating the same phrases they've used,

859
00:40:17,533 --> 00:40:20,613
Speaker 3: reacting as situations the way they would, or offering the

860
00:40:20,693 --> 00:40:23,493
Speaker 3: kind of advice you once heard from your own parents.

861
00:40:23,493 --> 00:40:24,973
Speaker 3: This is after. It was a great story in The

862
00:40:25,013 --> 00:40:27,333
Speaker 3: Hero well worth a read. It's titled seven Signs You

863
00:40:27,373 --> 00:40:31,053
Speaker 3: Were Turning into your Mother, and the author sort of

864
00:40:31,053 --> 00:40:33,293
Speaker 3: goes through those little moments she's had in her life

865
00:40:33,293 --> 00:40:36,053
Speaker 3: that she does realize I am turning into mum.

866
00:40:36,333 --> 00:40:38,653
Speaker 2: Is that a good or a bad thing? I wonder,

867
00:40:39,013 --> 00:40:43,373
Speaker 2: because there is that understanding and I said it before

868
00:40:43,693 --> 00:40:46,453
Speaker 2: that you know you spend your late teens and twenties

869
00:40:46,453 --> 00:40:49,252
Speaker 2: rebelling against your parents and thinking that they were wrong

870
00:40:49,293 --> 00:40:51,533
Speaker 2: about a lot of stuff. And then your thirties you

871
00:40:51,693 --> 00:40:54,253
Speaker 2: start to think, oh, they are right about a few things.

872
00:40:54,253 --> 00:40:56,373
Speaker 2: And by the time you forty, you go, maybe my

873
00:40:56,493 --> 00:40:57,693
Speaker 2: dad was right about everything.

874
00:40:57,773 --> 00:40:59,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that is one of the things

875
00:41:00,013 --> 00:41:01,973
Speaker 3: this author mentions. So one of the seven is you

876
00:41:02,053 --> 00:41:04,533
Speaker 3: realize where your mother and it can be your father

877
00:41:05,093 --> 00:41:07,053
Speaker 3: was coming from. Is you have the same fights with

878
00:41:07,133 --> 00:41:09,733
Speaker 3: your kids. Well, that happens to a lot of parents.

879
00:41:09,973 --> 00:41:12,733
Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the things that you realize

880
00:41:12,813 --> 00:41:14,533
Speaker 2: and yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty, when did

881
00:41:14,533 --> 00:41:17,573
Speaker 2: you realize you were turning into your parents and whether

882
00:41:17,613 --> 00:41:20,293
Speaker 2: that was a good thing or a bad thing. But

883
00:41:20,333 --> 00:41:23,253
Speaker 2: I think one thing you realize when you have kids

884
00:41:23,653 --> 00:41:27,692
Speaker 2: is that your parents weren't infallible. They were just mucking through.

885
00:41:27,773 --> 00:41:30,853
Speaker 2: They were just humans. And you know, if you think

886
00:41:30,853 --> 00:41:32,772
Speaker 2: about I think about my parents, I mean, they had

887
00:41:32,813 --> 00:41:38,573
Speaker 2: four kids before they were thirty, so you know, they're

888
00:41:38,613 --> 00:41:39,693
Speaker 2: just kids themselves.

889
00:41:39,813 --> 00:41:40,293
Speaker 3: Yeah.

890
00:41:40,373 --> 00:41:43,093
Speaker 2: At that point, so you've got these parents and you

891
00:41:43,133 --> 00:41:44,773
Speaker 2: think that they are sort of the oracles of the

892
00:41:44,813 --> 00:41:49,293
Speaker 2: truth in life and everything, and you realize that they

893
00:41:49,333 --> 00:41:51,573
Speaker 2: were just making it up. They were going. Now I'm

894
00:41:51,573 --> 00:41:53,893
Speaker 2: a parent, I got I'm just what do I do here?

895
00:41:53,933 --> 00:41:56,533
Speaker 2: What's the right thing to do? You know, they're making mistakes,

896
00:41:56,533 --> 00:42:00,253
Speaker 2: they're still growing, so you know they're going to get

897
00:42:00,293 --> 00:42:04,573
Speaker 2: some things something's wrong, but they do get a lot right.

898
00:42:04,653 --> 00:42:08,293
Speaker 2: And you know, I've caught myself being very much like

899
00:42:08,413 --> 00:42:10,213
Speaker 2: my father. And I said this to my partner Tracy.

900
00:42:10,253 --> 00:42:12,732
Speaker 2: I said, sometimes I think a bit like my dad,

901
00:42:12,773 --> 00:42:16,333
Speaker 2: and she said, you are exactly your dad. You you know,

902
00:42:16,493 --> 00:42:19,293
Speaker 2: everything you say about your dad, I can say about you. Yep,

903
00:42:20,293 --> 00:42:21,692
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind.

904
00:42:21,613 --> 00:42:23,413
Speaker 3: Of a good thing. Yeah, it's kind of the apple

905
00:42:23,533 --> 00:42:25,413
Speaker 3: doesn't fall far from the tree. And I think you're

906
00:42:25,453 --> 00:42:28,173
Speaker 3: absolutely right. And going back to that realization when you

907
00:42:28,213 --> 00:42:30,453
Speaker 3: realize that your parents were just trying their best and

908
00:42:31,053 --> 00:42:34,212
Speaker 3: going through as best they could. But it was, as

909
00:42:34,253 --> 00:42:36,773
Speaker 3: you say, as a kids, they've laid down the law,

910
00:42:36,893 --> 00:42:39,253
Speaker 3: and the parents know best because they're adults. They must know.

911
00:42:39,573 --> 00:42:42,413
Speaker 3: They are all wise and all knowing, and even though

912
00:42:42,413 --> 00:42:44,573
Speaker 3: I might not like it and I'll question it, at

913
00:42:44,573 --> 00:42:46,133
Speaker 3: the end of the day, they are the ones that

914
00:42:46,133 --> 00:42:47,973
Speaker 3: that set the rules and know. But you realize and

915
00:42:47,973 --> 00:42:50,252
Speaker 3: you get a bit older and say, hey, I don't

916
00:42:50,293 --> 00:42:52,573
Speaker 3: really know too much about my life at the moment,

917
00:42:52,613 --> 00:42:55,093
Speaker 3: and I'm still, you know, trying to swim against the tide.

918
00:42:55,093 --> 00:42:56,652
Speaker 3: And my parents were exactly the same.

919
00:42:56,733 --> 00:42:58,773
Speaker 2: And if your parents put a roof over your head,

920
00:42:58,813 --> 00:43:02,213
Speaker 2: feed you, and loved you, then you've got to be

921
00:43:02,253 --> 00:43:04,613
Speaker 2: reasonably grateful to them. I mean, obviously there's terrible parents

922
00:43:04,653 --> 00:43:07,013
Speaker 2: that do terrible things, and we're not talking about those people.

923
00:43:07,373 --> 00:43:10,933
Speaker 2: You know, there are obvious, horrible, horrible, horrible parents out there,

924
00:43:11,493 --> 00:43:13,893
Speaker 2: but most parents are pretty good and did their best.

925
00:43:14,533 --> 00:43:17,453
Speaker 2: And you have those moments where you go, oh my god,

926
00:43:17,573 --> 00:43:20,093
Speaker 2: my dad was working so hard. He must have been

927
00:43:20,213 --> 00:43:23,453
Speaker 2: so stressed. And you have these people that spend their

928
00:43:23,453 --> 00:43:26,133
Speaker 2: whole life complaining about little things that their parents did

929
00:43:26,493 --> 00:43:28,813
Speaker 2: and try and claim that it ruined their life. Yeah,

930
00:43:28,853 --> 00:43:33,812
Speaker 2: but you know, if they kept you alive and didn't

931
00:43:33,853 --> 00:43:37,053
Speaker 2: do horrible things to you, then they were pretty good people.

932
00:43:37,173 --> 00:43:40,093
Speaker 3: Yeah. There's one thing that comes to mind instantly that

933
00:43:40,093 --> 00:43:41,653
Speaker 3: that happened in the last couple of years. Actually, that

934
00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:43,693
Speaker 3: dad used to do. So he would work hard, he

935
00:43:43,773 --> 00:43:46,293
Speaker 3: was a sparky then he would come come through say

936
00:43:46,453 --> 00:43:48,613
Speaker 3: hello family, love you all, and then he'd go to

937
00:43:48,653 --> 00:43:50,933
Speaker 3: his little reading space, close the door, and we weren't

938
00:43:50,933 --> 00:43:53,373
Speaker 3: allowed to disturb him until tea time. So and I thought,

939
00:43:53,493 --> 00:43:56,173
Speaker 3: come on, Dad, you know, do you really need that

940
00:43:56,253 --> 00:43:58,533
Speaker 3: quiet time? Now I understand the value of that quiet time.

941
00:43:58,693 --> 00:44:01,013
Speaker 3: I freaking love that quiet time when I get home

942
00:44:01,173 --> 00:44:03,213
Speaker 3: and say to Mave and see little pep of the

943
00:44:03,213 --> 00:44:05,093
Speaker 3: dog and say love you all. I'm just going into

944
00:44:05,133 --> 00:44:06,933
Speaker 3: my little space just for an hour, just to do

945
00:44:06,973 --> 00:44:07,652
Speaker 3: what I want to do.

946
00:44:07,853 --> 00:44:11,893
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I remember when I was always impressed with

947
00:44:11,893 --> 00:44:14,853
Speaker 2: how long my dad would spend in the bathroom, And

948
00:44:15,093 --> 00:44:16,373
Speaker 2: now I kind of get it. It's a bit of

949
00:44:16,373 --> 00:44:16,893
Speaker 2: a cent truth.

950
00:44:17,013 --> 00:44:19,333
Speaker 3: It's a great place. O. One hundred eighty ten eighty

951
00:44:19,453 --> 00:44:21,093
Speaker 3: is the number to call love to hear from you.

952
00:44:21,173 --> 00:44:23,772
Speaker 3: When did you start to realize you were becoming more

953
00:44:23,813 --> 00:44:24,533
Speaker 3: like your parents?

954
00:44:24,853 --> 00:44:27,853
Speaker 2: When you start seeing your parents photos of native birds

955
00:44:27,853 --> 00:44:30,373
Speaker 2: in your garden and you shoot growing on a plant

956
00:44:30,493 --> 00:44:34,533
Speaker 2: or videos, then you know you're turning into your parents.

957
00:44:34,813 --> 00:44:36,733
Speaker 2: My parents always seeing videos of sunset.

958
00:44:37,413 --> 00:44:40,053
Speaker 3: That's a great one. Nine two nine two is the

959
00:44:40,093 --> 00:44:41,692
Speaker 3: text number. But really going to hear from you, Oh,

960
00:44:41,693 --> 00:44:45,893
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty back very shortly. It is

961
00:44:45,973 --> 00:44:46,933
Speaker 3: eleven bus too.

962
00:44:47,253 --> 00:44:49,773
Speaker 2: By the saying goes, by the time you realize your

963
00:44:49,813 --> 00:44:51,973
Speaker 2: parents were right, you've got kids telling you you were

964
00:44:52,293 --> 00:44:52,813
Speaker 2: you were wrong.

965
00:44:52,853 --> 00:44:53,893
Speaker 3: That's so true.

966
00:44:57,293 --> 00:45:01,893
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call.

967
00:45:02,053 --> 00:45:07,573
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

968
00:45:07,213 --> 00:45:09,652
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. So when did you realize you were

969
00:45:09,653 --> 00:45:12,293
Speaker 3: turning into your parents? On the back of a lovely

970
00:45:12,373 --> 00:45:15,453
Speaker 3: article in the New Zealand Herald which is titled seven

971
00:45:15,493 --> 00:45:17,693
Speaker 3: Ways to know You're turning into your mother, and the

972
00:45:17,773 --> 00:45:20,173
Speaker 3: author goes through little moments in her life when she

973
00:45:20,253 --> 00:45:22,573
Speaker 3: realized she is actually turning into her own mother. Oh

974
00:45:22,573 --> 00:45:25,733
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to

975
00:45:25,813 --> 00:45:27,853
Speaker 3: call loved to hear from you. Nine two niney two

976
00:45:27,973 --> 00:45:29,053
Speaker 3: is the text as well.

977
00:45:29,613 --> 00:45:32,533
Speaker 2: You should try and be as different from your parents

978
00:45:32,533 --> 00:45:35,013
Speaker 2: as you possibly can be, says sus Tector. What a

979
00:45:35,093 --> 00:45:38,413
Speaker 2: ridiculous suggestion, like it's good to be like your dad.

980
00:45:38,493 --> 00:45:41,413
Speaker 2: Your parents are likely bigoted with old fashioned ideas. I

981
00:45:41,413 --> 00:45:43,573
Speaker 2: am twenty nine and I see nothing good in my parents.

982
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:45,253
Speaker 2: They fed me, and they love me, and they put

983
00:45:45,253 --> 00:45:47,413
Speaker 2: a roof over my head. Yes, but my dad was

984
00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:49,172
Speaker 2: at work all the time and my mom didn't even

985
00:45:49,213 --> 00:45:51,093
Speaker 2: have a job. What kind of an example is a

986
00:45:51,133 --> 00:45:53,173
Speaker 2: stay at home mum? My sisters and I talk about this.

987
00:45:53,773 --> 00:45:56,293
Speaker 2: My parents made some bad and shocking jokes when we

988
00:45:56,293 --> 00:45:58,813
Speaker 2: were kids that I still think about. I think my

989
00:45:58,893 --> 00:46:03,652
Speaker 2: struggles are mainly my parents' fault, right, Interesting, see that

990
00:46:03,693 --> 00:46:06,333
Speaker 2: person's twenty nine, didn't I say, it's thirty.

991
00:46:06,453 --> 00:46:09,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll happen to your dear texter, will happen.

992
00:46:09,653 --> 00:46:11,653
Speaker 2: It'll be little moments at thirty.

993
00:46:11,893 --> 00:46:16,013
Speaker 3: Yeah. A couple of texts here, getay, guys. I realized

994
00:46:16,013 --> 00:46:18,533
Speaker 3: I was becoming more like my parents when my mom

995
00:46:18,573 --> 00:46:20,973
Speaker 3: showed me her new washer and dry combo, and I

996
00:46:21,013 --> 00:46:23,893
Speaker 3: was actually jealous. That is a moment when you get

997
00:46:23,933 --> 00:46:26,573
Speaker 3: excited about appliance as you realize, yeah, yeah, I'm becoming

998
00:46:26,613 --> 00:46:27,013
Speaker 3: my parents.

999
00:46:27,053 --> 00:46:30,772
Speaker 2: The sextus said that my mom didn't even have a job.

1000
00:46:30,773 --> 00:46:32,772
Speaker 2: What kind of example is a stay at home mum?

1001
00:46:33,173 --> 00:46:36,212
Speaker 2: Your mom likely sacrificed a lot to stay at home

1002
00:46:36,213 --> 00:46:38,013
Speaker 2: because she thought it was the right thing to do.

1003
00:46:38,933 --> 00:46:41,813
Speaker 2: What kind of example? Imagine she thought that was the

1004
00:46:41,893 --> 00:46:44,453
Speaker 2: right thing to do for you, and she might have

1005
00:46:44,573 --> 00:46:46,933
Speaker 2: had career ideas that she thought.

1006
00:46:46,973 --> 00:46:47,053
Speaker 5: No.

1007
00:46:47,733 --> 00:46:49,933
Speaker 2: I think staying at home and looking after my kids

1008
00:46:50,013 --> 00:46:52,133
Speaker 2: is a good thing to do, and if you don't

1009
00:46:52,173 --> 00:46:55,453
Speaker 2: want to do that, then that's your decision. But Texter,

1010
00:46:55,893 --> 00:46:57,652
Speaker 2: what kind of example is a stay at home mum.

1011
00:46:57,653 --> 00:47:00,813
Speaker 2: Maybe it's someone that just really really loved you and

1012
00:47:01,013 --> 00:47:03,413
Speaker 2: wanted to be around you and thought it was important

1013
00:47:03,413 --> 00:47:04,413
Speaker 2: that there was someone at home.

1014
00:47:04,573 --> 00:47:07,773
Speaker 3: Anyone who says home mum is an easy job, you're crazy.

1015
00:47:07,973 --> 00:47:10,453
Speaker 3: There's so much that the stay at home mum used

1016
00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:12,413
Speaker 3: to do. They were the adminds of the household. They

1017
00:47:12,453 --> 00:47:14,533
Speaker 3: sorted everything out all of your life.

1018
00:47:14,693 --> 00:47:17,853
Speaker 2: So would a better example have been your mum to

1019
00:47:18,533 --> 00:47:21,493
Speaker 2: have been in a high powered, high pressured job the

1020
00:47:21,533 --> 00:47:24,253
Speaker 2: whole time. Then you a person like this probably saying

1021
00:47:24,493 --> 00:47:27,133
Speaker 2: my mum was never around, she was always working. It

1022
00:47:27,173 --> 00:47:29,013
Speaker 2: sounds like the kind of person that is going to

1023
00:47:29,053 --> 00:47:32,733
Speaker 2: blame their parents no matter what. Made some bad jokes.

1024
00:47:32,933 --> 00:47:34,773
Speaker 2: I mean, that is the job of a parent to

1025
00:47:34,773 --> 00:47:35,773
Speaker 2: make shocking jokes.

1026
00:47:35,853 --> 00:47:39,893
Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. You wait till your thirty dead, Texter, Stu,

1027
00:47:40,053 --> 00:47:40,732
Speaker 3: how are you mate?

1028
00:47:42,213 --> 00:47:42,413
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1029
00:47:42,413 --> 00:47:44,652
Speaker 4: Well, I'm probably clearly a lot better than that twenty

1030
00:47:44,733 --> 00:47:48,413
Speaker 4: nine year old tours who thinks that their parents are

1031
00:47:48,453 --> 00:47:53,333
Speaker 4: absolutely desires. Gino's or he now knows where the bar said.

1032
00:47:53,733 --> 00:47:57,253
Speaker 4: The challenge for you, mister or missus twenty nine year

1033
00:47:57,293 --> 00:48:01,013
Speaker 4: old is to do better. And I guarantee you you're

1034
00:48:01,013 --> 00:48:04,893
Speaker 4: not going to find it that easy. That's not all

1035
00:48:04,933 --> 00:48:07,933
Speaker 4: Bear and Skiles twenty horse ever, and I guarantee that

1036
00:48:08,013 --> 00:48:10,773
Speaker 4: mum and there didn't have a great time going through

1037
00:48:10,773 --> 00:48:14,893
Speaker 4: it or either. I mean, I've never heard something so

1038
00:48:15,013 --> 00:48:18,093
Speaker 4: ungrateful all my life. Yes, they yes, they feed me,

1039
00:48:18,173 --> 00:48:21,093
Speaker 4: warned me and sharllded me. He loved me, but that

1040
00:48:21,293 --> 00:48:23,573
Speaker 4: wasn't enough. Did you want to go play the toilet?

1041
00:48:24,973 --> 00:48:32,093
Speaker 4: I mean said yeah, yeah.

1042
00:48:30,693 --> 00:48:33,653
Speaker 16: Every generation is it easier than the one before?

1043
00:48:34,453 --> 00:48:36,413
Speaker 4: You name me a generation that hasn't got it easier.

1044
00:48:36,733 --> 00:48:39,733
Speaker 4: I'm sitting in an air conditioned cruise controled lane departable.

1045
00:48:40,893 --> 00:48:41,933
Speaker 14: And when I grew up, I was.

1046
00:48:41,933 --> 00:48:43,933
Speaker 4: Pretty lucky if I had pat steering a tender lark.

1047
00:48:44,693 --> 00:48:46,413
Speaker 4: I didn't have an electricial, for God's sake.

1048
00:48:46,933 --> 00:48:49,813
Speaker 16: Now I don't have an aural, so you know, everything

1049
00:48:49,893 --> 00:48:50,373
Speaker 16: is easier.

1050
00:48:51,493 --> 00:48:52,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, telling me.

1051
00:48:53,253 --> 00:48:55,613
Speaker 4: That your parents what they didn't do enough and they

1052
00:48:55,653 --> 00:49:00,173
Speaker 4: made them spare jokes well, Primeia River nicely.

1053
00:49:01,573 --> 00:49:03,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's kind of like the

1054
00:49:03,333 --> 00:49:05,373
Speaker 2: structure of a movie. It's the three X structure of

1055
00:49:05,373 --> 00:49:08,493
Speaker 2: a movie. If you're now life, right, so, and you

1056
00:49:08,493 --> 00:49:10,493
Speaker 2: you start off and you're kind of who your parents

1057
00:49:10,533 --> 00:49:12,613
Speaker 2: make you and the environment they're in, and then you

1058
00:49:12,653 --> 00:49:14,853
Speaker 2: go off and you become something different. And then the

1059
00:49:14,853 --> 00:49:16,853
Speaker 2: third act is when you bring in what your family

1060
00:49:16,853 --> 00:49:18,973
Speaker 2: has given you and what you've done and the adventure

1061
00:49:19,013 --> 00:49:22,053
Speaker 2: you've gone on, and you bring those together to be

1062
00:49:22,293 --> 00:49:24,253
Speaker 2: kind of a complete person in the third act of

1063
00:49:24,253 --> 00:49:24,613
Speaker 2: your life.

1064
00:49:24,653 --> 00:49:27,133
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, nicely, pot yeah, And maybe.

1065
00:49:27,013 --> 00:49:29,693
Speaker 2: That third act starts late late thirties, early forties or

1066
00:49:29,693 --> 00:49:32,733
Speaker 2: something when you realize that what your parents went through,

1067
00:49:33,573 --> 00:49:36,213
Speaker 2: but people who had a reasonably good childhood and then

1068
00:49:36,213 --> 00:49:39,013
Speaker 2: spend their entire life complaining that things went perfect, that

1069
00:49:39,413 --> 00:49:41,172
Speaker 2: their mum, for example, was to stay at home mum,

1070
00:49:41,213 --> 00:49:43,773
Speaker 2: and that was a bad example because her and his

1071
00:49:43,933 --> 00:49:48,213
Speaker 2: sisters haven't achieved what they would hope they would achieve.

1072
00:49:48,693 --> 00:49:50,533
Speaker 2: I mean, you could paint that narrative in a completely

1073
00:49:50,573 --> 00:49:54,653
Speaker 2: different way and say, bless my mum for the sacrifices

1074
00:49:54,693 --> 00:49:57,453
Speaker 2: that she made, and bless my dad for going out

1075
00:49:57,533 --> 00:50:00,973
Speaker 2: and working such that that the family could have someone

1076
00:50:00,973 --> 00:50:04,253
Speaker 2: at home to look after the kids.

1077
00:50:04,333 --> 00:50:06,413
Speaker 3: It's your parents turn their viewpoint around. But can you

1078
00:50:06,453 --> 00:50:08,413
Speaker 3: hear from you? O eight hundred and eighty ten and

1079
00:50:08,413 --> 00:50:11,212
Speaker 3: that eighty is that number? Just a quick text here

1080
00:50:11,453 --> 00:50:13,573
Speaker 3: before we got to play some messages. Kiday, guys. When

1081
00:50:13,613 --> 00:50:17,093
Speaker 3: I found myself using expressions my parents used when I

1082
00:50:17,133 --> 00:50:19,453
Speaker 3: was a kid that I loathed. Sound like a herd

1083
00:50:19,493 --> 00:50:22,573
Speaker 3: of elephants up there, close the door. I use those

1084
00:50:22,653 --> 00:50:25,692
Speaker 3: almost every day now, which is a great thing, and

1085
00:50:25,733 --> 00:50:28,493
Speaker 3: I fully agree with that. Are you raised in a barn?

1086
00:50:28,573 --> 00:50:30,653
Speaker 3: Close the door? I still use. I use that for me.

1087
00:50:31,013 --> 00:50:32,533
Speaker 3: She leaves the door open when I'm trying to cool

1088
00:50:32,573 --> 00:50:34,252
Speaker 3: down a road, so well, well, you're raised in a barn.

1089
00:50:34,493 --> 00:50:37,373
Speaker 2: There's two expressions that my dad said every day that

1090
00:50:37,733 --> 00:50:39,533
Speaker 2: I will not use on my kids. One is, I'll

1091
00:50:39,573 --> 00:50:42,493
Speaker 2: have your guts for garters. I never knew that what

1092
00:50:42,813 --> 00:50:44,933
Speaker 2: that meant for the longest time. I'll have your guts

1093
00:50:44,933 --> 00:50:46,613
Speaker 2: for garters. So essince she was saying he was going

1094
00:50:46,653 --> 00:50:48,133
Speaker 2: to remove my guts and use them to hold up

1095
00:50:48,133 --> 00:50:51,613
Speaker 2: a socks. And now that one is I'll hiff you

1096
00:50:51,653 --> 00:50:54,172
Speaker 2: over the sycamore tree. And the third one is I'll

1097
00:50:54,213 --> 00:50:55,373
Speaker 2: give you a thick air. And I even knew what

1098
00:50:55,413 --> 00:50:55,732
Speaker 2: they were.

1099
00:50:55,853 --> 00:50:57,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thick here is a great one.

1100
00:50:58,733 --> 00:51:00,172
Speaker 2: He never gave me a thick air. I still don't

1101
00:51:00,173 --> 00:51:00,733
Speaker 2: know what one is.

1102
00:51:01,013 --> 00:51:02,692
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number.

1103
00:51:02,733 --> 00:51:05,093
Speaker 3: Of course, when did you realize you were becoming your parents?

1104
00:51:05,093 --> 00:51:06,613
Speaker 3: It is twenty past two.

1105
00:51:10,333 --> 00:51:13,773
Speaker 1: Matd Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1106
00:51:13,773 --> 00:51:15,893
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1107
00:51:16,013 --> 00:51:18,413
Speaker 3: Twenty two past two. So the question we put out

1108
00:51:18,453 --> 00:51:20,933
Speaker 3: there is when did you realize you were becoming your parents?

1109
00:51:20,933 --> 00:51:22,653
Speaker 3: On the back of a great article in The Herald

1110
00:51:22,853 --> 00:51:25,493
Speaker 3: where the author lists the seven ways she realized she

1111
00:51:25,573 --> 00:51:27,093
Speaker 3: was becoming your mum, I wait, one hundred and eighty

1112
00:51:27,093 --> 00:51:28,053
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number?

1113
00:51:28,293 --> 00:51:31,333
Speaker 2: Becoming like your dad? When I spend hours fertilizing the

1114
00:51:31,413 --> 00:51:33,732
Speaker 2: lawn and sharing tips on how to grow vegetables, love

1115
00:51:33,733 --> 00:51:35,533
Speaker 2: my dad and one hundred percent agree that there was a

1116
00:51:35,573 --> 00:51:38,252
Speaker 2: time I thought they knew nothing, But in your mid

1117
00:51:38,293 --> 00:51:40,613
Speaker 2: thirties you start to realize that they know a thing

1118
00:51:40,693 --> 00:51:44,213
Speaker 2: or two. I totally relate to you because I've just

1119
00:51:44,293 --> 00:51:47,733
Speaker 2: sown a lawn. Yep, you're living this, and my dad's

1120
00:51:47,733 --> 00:51:54,093
Speaker 2: a groundskeeper, and I've been can't wait to discuss. I

1121
00:51:54,093 --> 00:51:55,613
Speaker 2: can't wait till he comes up here. I'm organizing for

1122
00:51:55,733 --> 00:51:57,573
Speaker 2: him to come up and stay with us, and I

1123
00:51:57,653 --> 00:51:58,653
Speaker 2: just need his tips.

1124
00:51:58,413 --> 00:51:58,893
Speaker 3: On the lawn.

1125
00:51:58,893 --> 00:52:01,333
Speaker 2: We're going to spend a long time talking about that lawn.

1126
00:52:01,413 --> 00:52:04,133
Speaker 2: He'll be disgusted because he can see any lawn. He

1127
00:52:04,133 --> 00:52:06,253
Speaker 2: can see the most incredible lawn. He can see a

1128
00:52:06,293 --> 00:52:09,533
Speaker 2: golf green and see the Floorsn't it so help me,

1129
00:52:09,613 --> 00:52:11,692
Speaker 2: halt of a scale, be horrified by by what I'm

1130
00:52:11,733 --> 00:52:15,453
Speaker 2: growing out there? But when you when you lean into

1131
00:52:15,573 --> 00:52:17,453
Speaker 2: lawn chat with your dad.

1132
00:52:17,333 --> 00:52:20,573
Speaker 3: Father and son, lawn chat, nothing nothing better, Because.

1133
00:52:20,293 --> 00:52:22,293
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, the lawn chat was just

1134
00:52:22,573 --> 00:52:25,373
Speaker 2: you know, we had about an acre of lawns tomorrow

1135
00:52:27,133 --> 00:52:29,573
Speaker 2: on the farm around the front and back of the house.

1136
00:52:29,613 --> 00:52:31,453
Speaker 2: And the main chat was how bad I did the

1137
00:52:31,653 --> 00:52:34,493
Speaker 2: you know the verges. Look how much you've learnt now, mate,

1138
00:52:34,533 --> 00:52:37,133
Speaker 2: you've been living at dinner and goes. I saw the

1139
00:52:37,213 --> 00:52:40,133
Speaker 2: job you'd do on the lawn. Not good around the hedges,

1140
00:52:40,613 --> 00:52:41,613
Speaker 2: Not good around the edges.

1141
00:52:42,133 --> 00:52:43,813
Speaker 3: What a great dad? Oh one hundred and eighty ten

1142
00:52:43,893 --> 00:52:46,573
Speaker 3: eighty is that number? Peter? How are you?

1143
00:52:47,813 --> 00:52:48,053
Speaker 5: Hey?

1144
00:52:48,173 --> 00:52:48,573
Speaker 17: Chaps?

1145
00:52:48,933 --> 00:52:53,013
Speaker 16: The day I realized I was my dad was sitting

1146
00:52:53,093 --> 00:52:56,493
Speaker 16: on my favorite chair, and I balanced the tumbler of

1147
00:52:56,533 --> 00:52:59,853
Speaker 16: whiskey on my tummy.

1148
00:53:00,613 --> 00:53:02,293
Speaker 3: What a moment, What a moment.

1149
00:53:03,573 --> 00:53:05,573
Speaker 16: But it was a good moment because I looked at

1150
00:53:05,613 --> 00:53:10,053
Speaker 16: all the other personalities. Yeah, this is all right, this

1151
00:53:10,253 --> 00:53:13,853
Speaker 16: is the life. I've done well, and I ever looked back,

1152
00:53:13,893 --> 00:53:16,933
Speaker 16: and I've just accepted all those little bits. Have a

1153
00:53:16,933 --> 00:53:19,413
Speaker 16: little bit more here than what he did at same age.

1154
00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:24,093
Speaker 16: But baby, you need a fence, one paper or coffee table.

1155
00:53:24,093 --> 00:53:28,053
Speaker 2: If you've got your you tell me, well, good, we'k

1156
00:53:28,773 --> 00:53:33,293
Speaker 2: you know installing that that whiskey, that whiskey holder. Do

1157
00:53:33,373 --> 00:53:36,373
Speaker 2: you have a chair in your house, Peter, that's just yours.

1158
00:53:38,453 --> 00:53:42,253
Speaker 16: I'm not really like it. I lose it every time

1159
00:53:42,413 --> 00:53:45,373
Speaker 16: to Madonna. She kind of takes it. But if no

1160
00:53:45,413 --> 00:53:47,973
Speaker 16: one's home, I comment there there to make sure the

1161
00:53:47,973 --> 00:53:51,093
Speaker 16: curtains closed at the right angle so they get some

1162
00:53:51,373 --> 00:53:55,773
Speaker 16: bare and I'm watching a movie. If I'm watching a movie,

1163
00:53:56,093 --> 00:53:59,013
Speaker 16: it has to be dark. The volume has to be

1164
00:53:59,053 --> 00:54:02,893
Speaker 16: out so you're emmerged. And I do move a chair

1165
00:54:03,453 --> 00:54:06,493
Speaker 16: so I've got the side speakers at the right type,

1166
00:54:06,573 --> 00:54:06,973
Speaker 16: so I.

1167
00:54:06,853 --> 00:54:07,613
Speaker 3: Do get all that.

1168
00:54:07,853 --> 00:54:11,133
Speaker 16: If I'm him on my loane. But I've got the

1169
00:54:11,213 --> 00:54:13,853
Speaker 16: kids around, I lose every time I sat on the

1170
00:54:13,893 --> 00:54:19,533
Speaker 16: old corner of the crappy bloody sofa and the I

1171
00:54:19,573 --> 00:54:20,213
Speaker 16: could still.

1172
00:54:22,213 --> 00:54:24,053
Speaker 2: Good on your Peter, Yeah, because it used to be

1173
00:54:24,093 --> 00:54:25,333
Speaker 2: a thing, and it was definitely a thing in my

1174
00:54:25,373 --> 00:54:27,133
Speaker 2: house growing up, where there was Dad's cheer and you

1175
00:54:27,133 --> 00:54:28,533
Speaker 2: were allowed to sit in it. So he had his

1176
00:54:28,693 --> 00:54:32,652
Speaker 2: chair in the lounge, comfy chair, and that was his cheer. Yeah,

1177
00:54:32,733 --> 00:54:34,652
Speaker 2: And so if he was outside of the lounge, you'd

1178
00:54:34,653 --> 00:54:36,893
Speaker 2: sit in it. But if he was coming in.

1179
00:54:36,893 --> 00:54:38,093
Speaker 3: You were Yep. You got to get out.

1180
00:54:38,093 --> 00:54:38,773
Speaker 2: You got to get out, and.

1181
00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:40,133
Speaker 3: You got to leave cheer. That's my cheer. You know

1182
00:54:40,173 --> 00:54:40,453
Speaker 3: the rules.

1183
00:54:40,493 --> 00:54:41,573
Speaker 2: You got to get out, and you've got to leave

1184
00:54:41,613 --> 00:54:45,212
Speaker 2: the remote there on the arm of the chair.

1185
00:54:45,293 --> 00:54:46,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, my TV. My rules.

1186
00:54:46,893 --> 00:54:49,933
Speaker 2: Like the idea that I would sit on the on

1187
00:54:50,253 --> 00:54:52,853
Speaker 2: Dad's cheer and control the TV. That I wouldn't. It

1188
00:54:52,893 --> 00:54:54,613
Speaker 2: wouldn't even come into my mind that there would have

1189
00:54:54,653 --> 00:54:56,093
Speaker 2: been a possibility of something.

1190
00:54:55,813 --> 00:54:57,252
Speaker 3: To try and do that would get you thicky here,

1191
00:54:57,293 --> 00:54:57,573
Speaker 3: I think.

1192
00:54:57,613 --> 00:55:01,252
Speaker 2: And yet that's how standards have slipped, because my sons

1193
00:55:01,253 --> 00:55:02,453
Speaker 2: are always sitting in the good cheer.

1194
00:55:02,533 --> 00:55:04,853
Speaker 3: You don't never did cheer. You need to claim your

1195
00:55:04,893 --> 00:55:07,693
Speaker 3: dad cheer. This is the moment to say, kids, I

1196
00:55:07,693 --> 00:55:08,773
Speaker 3: love you, but there to the dad.

1197
00:55:08,813 --> 00:55:10,773
Speaker 2: Yet now I'm sitting in the middle of a couch

1198
00:55:10,853 --> 00:55:15,453
Speaker 2: like a complete loser. Sixteen year old son is laughing

1199
00:55:15,453 --> 00:55:17,653
Speaker 2: it up on them on the main chair with the remote.

1200
00:55:17,653 --> 00:55:22,493
Speaker 3: It's terrible, Craig, how are you mate? Can I Craig.

1201
00:55:24,013 --> 00:55:29,732
Speaker 16: Before I mentioned about my dad that first takes the man,

1202
00:55:29,813 --> 00:55:34,413
Speaker 16: I've got high door with grateful wink. Yeah, I'm so

1203
00:55:34,413 --> 00:55:37,732
Speaker 16: so many kids in this country that would benefit from

1204
00:55:37,733 --> 00:55:39,333
Speaker 16: having a loving moment home.

1205
00:55:40,733 --> 00:55:44,453
Speaker 2: And for him disclaimers it was actually it was actually ah,

1206
00:55:45,173 --> 00:55:47,573
Speaker 2: Actually I ever I've assumed it was a female because

1207
00:55:47,733 --> 00:55:50,013
Speaker 2: because I said my sisters. But you're right, it might

1208
00:55:50,053 --> 00:55:51,893
Speaker 2: be a might be a man.

1209
00:55:53,613 --> 00:55:59,893
Speaker 16: You ungrateful sot ye anyway, becoming like your dad my dad,

1210
00:56:00,533 --> 00:56:03,693
Speaker 16: I've taken more probably what I don't want to be

1211
00:56:03,813 --> 00:56:07,453
Speaker 16: with my dad. Growing up. I saw Mom was at home,

1212
00:56:07,533 --> 00:56:11,493
Speaker 16: and I'm grateful for that, But I saw Dad working

1213
00:56:11,853 --> 00:56:15,053
Speaker 16: so damn hard. He nearly put himself in the grape

1214
00:56:15,533 --> 00:56:18,973
Speaker 16: to provide for his family. And I my older brother

1215
00:56:19,053 --> 00:56:22,093
Speaker 16: we've spoken about it often and we always said we're

1216
00:56:22,213 --> 00:56:22,732
Speaker 16: never going.

1217
00:56:22,693 --> 00:56:23,133
Speaker 1: To do that.

1218
00:56:23,653 --> 00:56:26,893
Speaker 16: We're going to make sure that we do some pretty

1219
00:56:26,933 --> 00:56:29,613
Speaker 16: fun things in life. And he did too. But he

1220
00:56:29,773 --> 00:56:35,053
Speaker 16: was just so dedicated, if you like, That's why I'm

1221
00:56:35,053 --> 00:56:37,173
Speaker 16: becoming across wrong when you say, well, what wrong of that?

1222
00:56:37,853 --> 00:56:43,013
Speaker 16: It was almost a shoe with him that he had

1223
00:56:43,053 --> 00:56:46,253
Speaker 16: to pay off the mortgage you had, you know what

1224
00:56:46,253 --> 00:56:49,973
Speaker 16: I'm saying. Yeah, And it was it was just he

1225
00:56:50,013 --> 00:56:53,493
Speaker 16: would do it Monday to Friday job. Then he would

1226
00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:56,613
Speaker 16: be loading up the trailer after the commandal, building a

1227
00:56:57,413 --> 00:56:59,133
Speaker 16: batch at Little Bay.

1228
00:57:02,213 --> 00:57:04,533
Speaker 3: Oh just lost you there for secrets? Are you big now?

1229
00:57:05,333 --> 00:57:05,573
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1230
00:57:05,653 --> 00:57:10,213
Speaker 16: Yeah, you know he would be off the commandel and

1231
00:57:10,253 --> 00:57:14,853
Speaker 16: then back late Sunday night after work on Monday. If

1232
00:57:14,853 --> 00:57:16,813
Speaker 16: I could become half the guy he.

1233
00:57:17,053 --> 00:57:20,373
Speaker 2: Was on me, wow, It's kind of a catch twenty

1234
00:57:20,413 --> 00:57:22,213
Speaker 2: two for a lot of a lot of dads, though,

1235
00:57:22,333 --> 00:57:24,613
Speaker 2: isn't it? Because the way they show their love and

1236
00:57:24,653 --> 00:57:27,533
Speaker 2: they feel this huge desire you need to provide for

1237
00:57:27,573 --> 00:57:30,573
Speaker 2: the family, and as a result, as a result, they

1238
00:57:30,653 --> 00:57:33,013
Speaker 2: end up not being able to appreciate the family because

1239
00:57:33,053 --> 00:57:36,173
Speaker 2: there are always a way providing for the family and

1240
00:57:36,773 --> 00:57:39,853
Speaker 2: for mums as well. Sometimes parents just have to walk.

1241
00:57:39,893 --> 00:57:42,013
Speaker 2: But I know that huge desire I had when I

1242
00:57:42,053 --> 00:57:45,253
Speaker 2: had kids to make some money to provide for the family.

1243
00:57:45,333 --> 00:57:48,573
Speaker 2: Is a huge, huge feeling that came over me. But

1244
00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:51,853
Speaker 2: unfortunately that can mean you don't get as close to

1245
00:57:51,893 --> 00:57:55,333
Speaker 2: your family in your way of showing love. Actually just

1246
00:57:55,453 --> 00:57:57,013
Speaker 2: you know, distances you from your family.

1247
00:57:57,293 --> 00:58:01,733
Speaker 16: But I think you know, he's not a tribute to

1248
00:58:01,773 --> 00:58:05,373
Speaker 16: my dad, but he's sort of you could see the

1249
00:58:05,453 --> 00:58:10,493
Speaker 16: stress in the face. Yeah, and a damn there killed

1250
00:58:10,493 --> 00:58:13,813
Speaker 16: them at a very young age. So you know, I

1251
00:58:13,853 --> 00:58:18,613
Speaker 16: don't want that for that first text. He absolute reality

1252
00:58:18,693 --> 00:58:22,133
Speaker 16: check and God in the husband or future wise that

1253
00:58:22,213 --> 00:58:22,613
Speaker 16: he ends.

1254
00:58:22,493 --> 00:58:22,933
Speaker 11: Up with them.

1255
00:58:24,653 --> 00:58:27,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got some learning to do, as they say, Craig.

1256
00:58:27,413 --> 00:58:29,213
Speaker 2: Thank you. So, Craig, I might read that text out

1257
00:58:29,213 --> 00:58:32,613
Speaker 2: again after the headlines, because it's a it's a good.

1258
00:58:32,693 --> 00:58:34,053
Speaker 3: It's a good and so I've set a lot of

1259
00:58:34,053 --> 00:58:35,253
Speaker 3: people it's.

1260
00:58:35,093 --> 00:58:37,653
Speaker 2: A good example of being incredibly ungrateful.

1261
00:58:37,733 --> 00:58:40,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, headlines coming up and then we'll read that text

1262
00:58:40,333 --> 00:58:42,173
Speaker 3: out again. But taking your calls over a one hundred

1263
00:58:42,373 --> 00:58:44,653
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty, when did you realize you were becoming

1264
00:58:44,693 --> 00:58:47,293
Speaker 3: your parents? It has banged on two thirty.

1265
00:58:49,253 --> 00:58:53,013
Speaker 8: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1266
00:58:53,093 --> 00:58:56,453
Speaker 8: no trouble with a blue bubble. Primary school principle so

1267
00:58:56,573 --> 00:59:00,933
Speaker 8: voted against accepting a collective agreement, saying it doesn't acknowledge

1268
00:59:00,973 --> 00:59:05,533
Speaker 8: the crushing workload and increased pressure from rushed curriculum changes.

1269
00:59:05,853 --> 00:59:08,413
Speaker 8: They say it compares badly to an offer accepted by

1270
00:59:08,453 --> 00:59:12,493
Speaker 8: secondary principles. Police are asking the Hut Valley community for

1271
00:59:12,573 --> 00:59:16,693
Speaker 8: any information as they investigate a newborn being seriously injured

1272
00:59:16,773 --> 00:59:21,133
Speaker 8: last week, including a broken leg by Diversity in New

1273
00:59:21,213 --> 00:59:25,253
Speaker 8: Zealand's widening the yellow legged Hornet surveillance zone on Auckland's

1274
00:59:25,253 --> 00:59:29,093
Speaker 8: north shore to an eleven kilometer radius. It stretches from

1275
00:59:29,093 --> 00:59:31,693
Speaker 8: red Vale in the north to Avondale in the south,

1276
00:59:32,013 --> 00:59:35,253
Speaker 8: almost reaching Kumu in the west, and takes in half

1277
00:59:35,293 --> 00:59:41,173
Speaker 8: of Rangitotu Island. New Plymouths Lake Rutumanu is being drained

1278
00:59:41,293 --> 00:59:43,973
Speaker 8: over the next four days in an effort to stop

1279
00:59:44,013 --> 00:59:48,653
Speaker 8: the spread of invasive gold clams. Warnings from customs and

1280
00:59:48,773 --> 00:59:52,653
Speaker 8: police the risks associated with hemp growing as the Regulation

1281
00:59:52,773 --> 00:59:57,173
Speaker 8: Ministry slash is licensing red tape for farmers picking the

1282
00:59:57,213 --> 01:00:00,333
Speaker 8: silver Fern's best line up for twenty twenty six. You

1283
01:00:00,333 --> 01:00:02,653
Speaker 8: can see the full column. It ends at Herald Premium.

1284
01:00:02,973 --> 01:00:04,733
Speaker 8: Back to Matteath and Tyler Adams.

1285
01:00:04,853 --> 01:00:06,893
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylene. So we're talking about an

1286
01:00:06,933 --> 01:00:09,533
Speaker 3: article in the New Zealand Hera and it's titled seven

1287
01:00:09,533 --> 01:00:12,333
Speaker 3: Signs You're Turning into Your Mother and it's a great read.

1288
01:00:12,453 --> 01:00:14,013
Speaker 3: It's on the herold right now if you want to

1289
01:00:14,013 --> 01:00:16,613
Speaker 3: go check it out. But the author mentions those little

1290
01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:18,253
Speaker 3: moments that happened to a lot of us when we

1291
01:00:18,293 --> 01:00:20,933
Speaker 3: realize we are turning into our parents. So really can

1292
01:00:21,013 --> 01:00:22,213
Speaker 3: have a chat with you on oh eight, one hundred

1293
01:00:22,253 --> 01:00:24,453
Speaker 3: and eighty ten out eighty, when were the moments you

1294
01:00:24,533 --> 01:00:26,613
Speaker 3: realize you were turning into you Mum or your dad?

1295
01:00:26,653 --> 01:00:28,613
Speaker 2: Come and says I knew I was turning into my

1296
01:00:28,653 --> 01:00:30,853
Speaker 2: mother when I refuse to tea bag. I reused the

1297
01:00:30,933 --> 01:00:31,333
Speaker 2: tea bag.

1298
01:00:31,373 --> 01:00:34,493
Speaker 3: I see, yes, Oh yeah, that's a buggie reusing tea bags. Definitely,

1299
01:00:34,653 --> 01:00:36,733
Speaker 3: you can definitely get another squeeze out of a tea bag.

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01:00:36,773 --> 01:00:39,133
Speaker 3: I do that and I used to think, Mum, you're crazy,

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01:00:39,253 --> 01:00:41,733
Speaker 3: but it is. You can still get a good amount

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Speaker 3: of flavor with another girl of the tea bag.

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Speaker 2: So you use the tea bag and what would you

1304
01:00:45,973 --> 01:00:47,453
Speaker 2: put the tea bag in the sink and reuse it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, you just keep it in the cup.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at this, mate, hold on, I'm going

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01:00:50,293 --> 01:00:51,813
Speaker 3: to just pull that around here so I have my

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01:00:51,853 --> 01:00:53,813
Speaker 3: cup of tea tea bag still in there. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to refill that with some hot water and that will

1310
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Speaker 3: be good for another round.

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Speaker 2: That's not even tea bag you bought. That's a new

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Speaker 2: storg z b T bag. So you're doing it just

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01:01:02,893 --> 01:01:05,133
Speaker 2: for the because you believe in reusing a tea bag,

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01:01:05,213 --> 01:01:06,373
Speaker 2: not to save money or anything.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's a good I never question Mum did it,

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01:01:09,213 --> 01:01:10,493
Speaker 3: so I thought it was the right thing, and I

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01:01:10,533 --> 01:01:12,453
Speaker 3: still get some good flavor out of it. The week

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Speaker 3: of tea is actually nice a second time around. It's

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01:01:14,853 --> 01:01:16,973
Speaker 3: just something about the second hit of the tea bag.

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Speaker 2: Are you how much milk are you putting in your

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01:01:18,733 --> 01:01:19,413
Speaker 2: per week tea?

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Speaker 4: Zero?

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01:01:20,053 --> 01:01:23,213
Speaker 3: Zero milk, straight black right, just a touch of cold water.

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful thing. Yeah. That was because Mum didn't

1325
01:01:26,573 --> 01:01:28,133
Speaker 3: like spending too much money, and neither do I.

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Speaker 2: One thing I will never do is just drop tea

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Speaker 2: bags in the sink until there's a lot of them

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Speaker 2: and put them out.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's gross.

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01:01:36,093 --> 01:01:36,573
Speaker 2: It's gross.

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01:01:36,653 --> 01:01:38,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is feral. You see a bit of

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01:01:38,333 --> 01:01:39,173
Speaker 3: that round the office.

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Speaker 2: Forty year old female here, my daughter dad lawn chat

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01:01:42,773 --> 01:01:45,293
Speaker 2: is solid. Blessed to have a stubby wearing dad, even

1335
01:01:45,373 --> 01:01:49,333
Speaker 2: Winter who has Torto's daughter to be capable and willing.

1336
01:01:49,373 --> 01:01:51,973
Speaker 2: I've now bestowed two granddaughters on him. Both sit in

1337
01:01:51,973 --> 01:01:54,013
Speaker 2: his chair at home. He loves it.

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Speaker 3: It's a beautiful text. One hundred and eighty ten eighty

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01:01:56,973 --> 01:01:59,573
Speaker 3: to number to call is a bullgeet? Have I said

1340
01:01:59,573 --> 01:01:59,853
Speaker 3: that right?

1341
01:02:01,253 --> 01:02:01,413
Speaker 5: Yes?

1342
01:02:01,613 --> 01:02:03,813
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, a nice to chat with you. So when

1343
01:02:03,893 --> 01:02:04,373
Speaker 3: was the moment?

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01:02:05,933 --> 01:02:09,813
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, my dad and he was waking up early,

1345
01:02:09,973 --> 01:02:13,013
Speaker 17: very early in the morning. And when I was a kid,

1346
01:02:13,453 --> 01:02:16,013
Speaker 17: I was thinking why he goes that early and do

1347
01:02:16,093 --> 01:02:19,693
Speaker 17: the job and working very hard. Now I'm forty years old,

1348
01:02:19,733 --> 01:02:24,013
Speaker 17: I'm doing the same thing, early wake up job and

1349
01:02:24,093 --> 01:02:27,053
Speaker 17: all that stuff. So now I realize what kind of

1350
01:02:27,653 --> 01:02:32,013
Speaker 17: like the duties on his shoulders he was doing for

1351
01:02:32,053 --> 01:02:36,933
Speaker 17: his family, so which I'm doing right now, same as him.

1352
01:02:37,093 --> 01:02:39,213
Speaker 2: And do you feel like you miss out on time

1353
01:02:39,213 --> 01:02:42,413
Speaker 2: with your kids because you feel compelled to do that

1354
01:02:42,573 --> 01:02:43,213
Speaker 2: or have to do that?

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Speaker 17: But to be honest, like I'm trying to balance my

1356
01:02:49,973 --> 01:02:53,613
Speaker 17: family time a lot because what I do, why I

1357
01:02:53,653 --> 01:02:56,933
Speaker 17: am early to start, I finish on time to pick

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01:02:56,973 --> 01:03:00,573
Speaker 17: the kids from the school. Want him do the mom

1359
01:03:00,653 --> 01:03:03,973
Speaker 17: do the morning duties, drop them the school, and my

1360
01:03:04,093 --> 01:03:06,973
Speaker 17: duties to pick them and spend time until the moment

1361
01:03:07,013 --> 01:03:10,013
Speaker 17: is coming back home. I'm trying my dad to do

1362
01:03:10,053 --> 01:03:13,413
Speaker 17: the same with what my father done. And yeah, but

1363
01:03:13,853 --> 01:03:17,013
Speaker 17: it was a great great to see what he has

1364
01:03:17,493 --> 01:03:19,573
Speaker 17: done in his life and teach me.

1365
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Speaker 2: Well, he sounds like a great dad and you sound

1366
01:03:21,973 --> 01:03:25,733
Speaker 2: like a great dad too. Did you find that work

1367
01:03:26,053 --> 01:03:29,533
Speaker 2: was well? I found when I had kids, suddenly work

1368
01:03:29,613 --> 01:03:32,293
Speaker 2: made a lot more sense to me, because you know,

1369
01:03:32,413 --> 01:03:34,213
Speaker 2: I you know, if I starve on the streets, that's

1370
01:03:34,213 --> 01:03:37,853
Speaker 2: one thing, but you know, I mean like like I

1371
01:03:38,053 --> 01:03:41,693
Speaker 2: only have myself to survive, and I can survive pretty frugally.

1372
01:03:41,773 --> 01:03:45,133
Speaker 2: But suddenly it made a lot more sense to be

1373
01:03:45,173 --> 01:03:48,053
Speaker 2: at work. And I found myself winging a lot less

1374
01:03:48,053 --> 01:03:50,053
Speaker 2: about it because it had a purpose.

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Speaker 17: Yes, that's right, but when when the kids is going

1376
01:03:57,573 --> 01:04:00,013
Speaker 17: through his own phase, he don't realize what the family

1377
01:04:00,093 --> 01:04:03,853
Speaker 17: is doing for them. Mom do their job to raise

1378
01:04:03,933 --> 01:04:06,733
Speaker 17: their kids in a better way, and dad do doing

1379
01:04:06,773 --> 01:04:10,493
Speaker 17: his duties. But once we are on the same position,

1380
01:04:10,693 --> 01:04:13,733
Speaker 17: like doing the same thing, now we know the value

1381
01:04:14,573 --> 01:04:17,773
Speaker 17: they have sacrifice and done a lot for us.

1382
01:04:18,813 --> 01:04:21,413
Speaker 3: Good So true. Yeah, I mean that changes perspective. I

1383
01:04:21,453 --> 01:04:22,973
Speaker 3: mean a lot of people have fathers like this, and

1384
01:04:23,333 --> 01:04:26,493
Speaker 3: Dad he's still alive and love him to bits, but

1385
01:04:26,693 --> 01:04:29,653
Speaker 3: he was an incredibly hard worker and a long worker.

1386
01:04:29,813 --> 01:04:32,573
Speaker 3: But that whole point, you know, that realization that why

1387
01:04:32,653 --> 01:04:34,733
Speaker 3: I knew he was doing it is as you say,

1388
01:04:35,213 --> 01:04:37,373
Speaker 3: is that he was doing it because he loved us

1389
01:04:37,413 --> 01:04:39,893
Speaker 3: so dearly that he needed to do that to provide

1390
01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:42,653
Speaker 3: for the family and make sure we had everythinging he needed.

1391
01:04:42,773 --> 01:04:44,413
Speaker 3: And I didn't realize that as a kid, but as

1392
01:04:44,453 --> 01:04:45,973
Speaker 3: he get older and I don't have kids, but I

1393
01:04:45,973 --> 01:04:48,773
Speaker 3: still feel that responsibility for Mave and the life that

1394
01:04:48,813 --> 01:04:50,653
Speaker 3: we've got, and i'ld feel it even more, I'm sure

1395
01:04:50,653 --> 01:04:52,813
Speaker 3: when we do have children. But that is a massive

1396
01:04:52,813 --> 01:04:55,573
Speaker 3: realization that Dad. It wasn't because Dad didn't want to

1397
01:04:55,573 --> 01:04:57,933
Speaker 3: be at the home. He was working as butt off

1398
01:04:58,213 --> 01:05:00,413
Speaker 3: because he was so desperate to make sure we had

1399
01:05:00,413 --> 01:05:01,133
Speaker 3: everything we needed.

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01:05:01,373 --> 01:05:05,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, the six says, Hey, Matt, read that text out again. Okay,

1401
01:05:05,253 --> 01:05:07,253
Speaker 2: so here's that text. And we've got to follow up

1402
01:05:07,373 --> 01:05:10,893
Speaker 2: on it. Actually, from the from the text, this is

1403
01:05:10,933 --> 01:05:14,253
Speaker 2: the text that's got everyone fired up. You should try

1404
01:05:14,293 --> 01:05:16,653
Speaker 2: and be as different from your parents as you possibly

1405
01:05:16,693 --> 01:05:19,373
Speaker 2: can be. What a ridiculous suggestion, like it's good to

1406
01:05:19,373 --> 01:05:22,373
Speaker 2: be like your dad. Your parents are likely bigoted with

1407
01:05:22,533 --> 01:05:25,293
Speaker 2: old fashioned ideas. I'm twenty nine and I see nothing

1408
01:05:25,333 --> 01:05:28,213
Speaker 2: good in my parents. They fed me, and they love me,

1409
01:05:28,333 --> 01:05:31,373
Speaker 2: and they put a roof over my head. Sure, great, minimum,

1410
01:05:31,413 --> 01:05:33,333
Speaker 2: But my dad was at work all the time and

1411
01:05:33,373 --> 01:05:35,373
Speaker 2: my mom didn't even have a job. What kind of

1412
01:05:35,453 --> 01:05:37,973
Speaker 2: example is a stay home mum. My sisters and I

1413
01:05:38,013 --> 01:05:41,533
Speaker 2: talk about this a lot. My parents made some bad

1414
01:05:41,693 --> 01:05:47,173
Speaker 2: and shocking jokes. I think my struggles are mainly my parents' fault,

1415
01:05:47,493 --> 01:05:49,533
Speaker 2: says this texter. And I was trying to I we're

1416
01:05:49,533 --> 01:05:51,733
Speaker 2: talking before. Some people thought that the texture was male

1417
01:05:51,813 --> 01:05:53,973
Speaker 2: or female. I've come back and said I am female,

1418
01:05:54,813 --> 01:05:59,653
Speaker 2: not that gender should be relevant. You sound like my

1419
01:05:59,773 --> 01:06:02,693
Speaker 2: dad with this gender stuff. You don't know me, don't

1420
01:06:02,733 --> 01:06:03,053
Speaker 2: judge me.

1421
01:06:03,213 --> 01:06:06,133
Speaker 3: Well, okay, that's a hell of a response as well.

1422
01:06:06,253 --> 01:06:07,973
Speaker 3: Hell of a first text and hell of a response.

1423
01:06:08,333 --> 01:06:11,573
Speaker 2: You can judge what you text what you texted in

1424
01:06:12,293 --> 01:06:14,813
Speaker 2: and you're saying that what kind of example was My

1425
01:06:14,933 --> 01:06:16,773
Speaker 2: mum is a stay home mum. And I'm not sure

1426
01:06:16,813 --> 01:06:18,613
Speaker 2: what your struggles are that, that's sure, And I don't

1427
01:06:18,613 --> 01:06:20,573
Speaker 2: know how your mum being a stay home mum, how

1428
01:06:20,613 --> 01:06:25,413
Speaker 2: you perceive that to have affected you in a bad way.

1429
01:06:26,013 --> 01:06:27,773
Speaker 2: But I think all people are saying is that you

1430
01:06:27,813 --> 01:06:30,493
Speaker 2: could also be grateful for your mum for being a

1431
01:06:30,893 --> 01:06:34,493
Speaker 2: home mum because incredibly tough job. And also on top

1432
01:06:34,533 --> 01:06:36,893
Speaker 2: of that, she probably had to sacrifice a lot of

1433
01:06:36,933 --> 01:06:40,533
Speaker 2: things that she wanted to do in life for you. Yeah,

1434
01:06:40,933 --> 01:06:44,133
Speaker 2: So we can judge the words that you sent through,

1435
01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:45,093
Speaker 2: absolutely we can.

1436
01:06:45,253 --> 01:06:45,453
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1437
01:06:45,533 --> 01:06:49,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, And look I'm judging them. I'm judging them viciously.

1438
01:06:49,173 --> 01:06:52,813
Speaker 2: You said, like a terrible, ungrateful human man. There's something

1439
01:06:52,853 --> 01:06:54,573
Speaker 2: wrong with that text. Can you hear from you O

1440
01:06:54,653 --> 01:06:56,173
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if you're on a

1441
01:06:56,213 --> 01:06:58,693
Speaker 2: respond to that text now that you're a parent and

1442
01:06:58,733 --> 01:07:00,853
Speaker 2: you might have realized where your parent, your mumm or

1443
01:07:00,893 --> 01:07:03,333
Speaker 2: your dad was coming from when you were being raised.

1444
01:07:03,373 --> 01:07:05,093
Speaker 2: Love to hear from you, oh, eight hundred eighty ten

1445
01:07:05,213 --> 01:07:06,253
Speaker 2: eighty and nineteen nine two.

1446
01:07:06,253 --> 01:07:06,813
Speaker 1: It's a text.

1447
01:07:07,093 --> 01:07:09,413
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I'm so annoyed the attitude of that text

1448
01:07:09,413 --> 01:07:11,013
Speaker 2: are saying that a stay at home mum was not

1449
01:07:11,053 --> 01:07:12,853
Speaker 2: good enough in their eyes. I was a stay at

1450
01:07:12,893 --> 01:07:15,373
Speaker 2: home mum, and my three successful children are living their

1451
01:07:15,413 --> 01:07:17,493
Speaker 2: best life as they were nurtured and loved enough to

1452
01:07:17,493 --> 01:07:20,253
Speaker 2: find their way in life. My husband was successful because

1453
01:07:20,293 --> 01:07:22,293
Speaker 2: I gave up my career to support the family.

1454
01:07:23,013 --> 01:07:26,333
Speaker 3: Shame on you girls. Yeah, keep those teas coming through.

1455
01:07:26,373 --> 01:07:28,013
Speaker 3: There's a lot of anger. But can you hear from

1456
01:07:28,013 --> 01:07:30,213
Speaker 3: you as well? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Do

1457
01:07:30,253 --> 01:07:32,013
Speaker 3: you feel the same way about your parents? If you do,

1458
01:07:32,453 --> 01:07:34,013
Speaker 3: I can never chat. But also if you want to

1459
01:07:34,013 --> 01:07:37,333
Speaker 3: push back, come on through. It is nineteen to three.

1460
01:07:37,693 --> 01:07:39,773
Speaker 3: Back very shortly, I.

1461
01:07:39,733 --> 01:07:42,373
Speaker 2: Realized my mum when I have three drawers at home

1462
01:07:42,413 --> 01:07:44,053
Speaker 2: storing plastic and paper pads.

1463
01:07:44,733 --> 01:07:45,333
Speaker 3: That's great.

1464
01:07:46,853 --> 01:07:50,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight

1465
01:07:50,173 --> 01:07:52,573
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler

1466
01:07:52,613 --> 01:07:54,493
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons.

1467
01:07:53,973 --> 01:07:57,653
Speaker 3: News Dogs V News doorgs there V. It is sixteen

1468
01:07:58,053 --> 01:08:00,173
Speaker 3: two three and we've asked the question when did you

1469
01:08:00,213 --> 01:08:02,813
Speaker 3: realize you were becoming your parents? And also who got

1470
01:08:02,853 --> 01:08:06,653
Speaker 3: to say there's been hundreds and hundreds of texts responding

1471
01:08:07,413 --> 01:08:10,653
Speaker 3: to a pretty full noise, ungrateful texts that you read

1472
01:08:10,653 --> 01:08:11,773
Speaker 3: out just before meant.

1473
01:08:12,373 --> 01:08:13,493
Speaker 2: Gerard, welcome to the show.

1474
01:08:14,293 --> 01:08:15,573
Speaker 14: Hey, how are you going, guys?

1475
01:08:15,693 --> 01:08:17,572
Speaker 3: Very good? You want to respond to that, Texter?

1476
01:08:18,412 --> 01:08:22,693
Speaker 14: Yes, so, I you know, I'm angry. I actually I

1477
01:08:22,733 --> 01:08:24,812
Speaker 14: had to pull over to give you guys a call

1478
01:08:25,053 --> 01:08:29,213
Speaker 14: because I have never ever heard anybody speak about their

1479
01:08:29,293 --> 01:08:30,173
Speaker 14: parents like that.

1480
01:08:30,372 --> 01:08:32,972
Speaker 16: I was absolutely flabber goth when I heard the text.

1481
01:08:33,853 --> 01:08:35,293
Speaker 2: Well, let's good that you put drive it because we

1482
01:08:35,293 --> 01:08:38,093
Speaker 2: don't want you driving angry. Yeah, fair enough, we don't

1483
01:08:38,093 --> 01:08:38,812
Speaker 2: want angry together.

1484
01:08:40,372 --> 01:08:41,213
Speaker 17: I grew I.

1485
01:08:41,173 --> 01:08:44,213
Speaker 14: Grew up with a father that was also absent, but

1486
01:08:44,293 --> 01:08:46,652
Speaker 14: absent because he was working hard to get the money in.

1487
01:08:47,772 --> 01:08:50,692
Speaker 14: And the day I realized that was the day that

1488
01:08:50,732 --> 01:08:56,172
Speaker 14: my son was born. He was born in twenty and twelve,

1489
01:08:56,253 --> 01:08:58,452
Speaker 14: and the day that he was born, I knew this

1490
01:08:58,652 --> 01:09:00,532
Speaker 14: was the time that I had to and I knew

1491
01:09:00,572 --> 01:09:04,133
Speaker 14: I was exactly like my father. My jokes, my dad jokes,

1492
01:09:04,173 --> 01:09:07,852
Speaker 14: everything is almost identically my father. My wife absolutely hates it,

1493
01:09:07,893 --> 01:09:10,932
Speaker 14: but she realizes that obviously I was brought up with him,

1494
01:09:11,093 --> 01:09:15,213
Speaker 14: and he had some really good traits and there are

1495
01:09:15,293 --> 01:09:17,933
Speaker 14: other traits, like kids grow up and go, oh, my

1496
01:09:18,013 --> 01:09:20,732
Speaker 14: parents did this, my parents did that. And I do

1497
01:09:20,973 --> 01:09:23,253
Speaker 14: know that there are some traits that you don't but

1498
01:09:23,572 --> 01:09:26,213
Speaker 14: you get to decide which traits you can take of

1499
01:09:26,253 --> 01:09:29,253
Speaker 14: your parents. And I believe I've taken all of the

1500
01:09:29,293 --> 01:09:31,612
Speaker 14: good traits from my parents, both mom, my mom, and

1501
01:09:31,652 --> 01:09:34,892
Speaker 14: my dad. My mother was a stay at home mom

1502
01:09:34,973 --> 01:09:37,293
Speaker 14: until we were fourteen fifteen years old, where we could

1503
01:09:37,293 --> 01:09:39,692
Speaker 14: take care of ourselves, and then she started working because

1504
01:09:39,692 --> 01:09:41,492
Speaker 14: she wanted to get out of the house and she

1505
01:09:41,572 --> 01:09:46,093
Speaker 14: started working as well. We never had a luxurious laugh

1506
01:09:46,213 --> 01:09:49,892
Speaker 14: growing up, and I'm realizing now how tough it is

1507
01:09:49,933 --> 01:09:56,013
Speaker 14: to give that to your kids. But I believe that

1508
01:09:56,612 --> 01:09:58,612
Speaker 14: when you have children, you have to work as hard

1509
01:09:58,612 --> 01:10:01,892
Speaker 14: as you can to get everything for your children.

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01:10:02,492 --> 01:10:05,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you've brought them into the world, so

1511
01:10:06,173 --> 01:10:08,572
Speaker 2: that is your job to and sometimes you we can

1512
01:10:08,612 --> 01:10:11,652
Speaker 2: go too far, and we can over we can protect

1513
01:10:11,692 --> 01:10:14,612
Speaker 2: our kids, and you know, you know, there's an argument

1514
01:10:14,652 --> 01:10:19,852
Speaker 2: that kids get softer and softer because we try and

1515
01:10:19,893 --> 01:10:22,173
Speaker 2: be a little We try and be what we wanted

1516
01:10:22,173 --> 01:10:24,812
Speaker 2: our parents to be. But sometimes that can be too much,

1517
01:10:24,893 --> 01:10:26,852
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like when you treat your

1518
01:10:26,853 --> 01:10:29,452
Speaker 2: friends like your kids like friends as opposed to parents.

1519
01:10:29,532 --> 01:10:31,093
Speaker 2: That can be a bit of a problem, but you're

1520
01:10:31,093 --> 01:10:33,532
Speaker 2: absolutely right. You you take what your parents did and

1521
01:10:33,532 --> 01:10:35,333
Speaker 2: they did their very best, and they took what their

1522
01:10:35,372 --> 01:10:37,253
Speaker 2: parents did, and they did their best can be to

1523
01:10:37,293 --> 01:10:38,732
Speaker 2: what their parents and changed a bit, and then you

1524
01:10:38,853 --> 01:10:41,093
Speaker 2: change a bit. Yeah, that's the way. That's the way.

1525
01:10:41,093 --> 01:10:43,692
Speaker 2: It's it's got to go right, exactly.

1526
01:10:43,732 --> 01:10:47,892
Speaker 14: And as you guys said, that balance between working hard

1527
01:10:48,013 --> 01:10:50,692
Speaker 14: and then spending time with you all your kids. For me,

1528
01:10:50,973 --> 01:10:54,612
Speaker 14: it was in the beginning when our first when my

1529
01:10:54,692 --> 01:10:57,652
Speaker 14: boy was first born, our worked. I mean I was

1530
01:10:57,652 --> 01:11:01,052
Speaker 14: doing between sixty and seventy five hours a week, wow,

1531
01:11:01,093 --> 01:11:03,372
Speaker 14: pushing my overtime to try and make as much money

1532
01:11:03,412 --> 01:11:07,253
Speaker 14: as I can. But now fifteen, I'm forty six now,

1533
01:11:07,253 --> 01:11:10,253
Speaker 14: so fifteen or sixteen into my career, I've now gotten

1534
01:11:10,253 --> 01:11:13,572
Speaker 14: into management and now I only have to work nine

1535
01:11:13,612 --> 01:11:16,012
Speaker 14: to five. I'm home in the evenings, I spend time

1536
01:11:16,053 --> 01:11:18,452
Speaker 14: with my kids and week every weekend I'm with my children.

1537
01:11:18,772 --> 01:11:20,732
Speaker 14: We're doing things, going to the beach, we're going to

1538
01:11:21,093 --> 01:11:24,333
Speaker 14: water World, we're going to we're going cases. So now

1539
01:11:24,412 --> 01:11:26,692
Speaker 14: is the time I'm spending with my kids, my boys

1540
01:11:26,732 --> 01:11:30,652
Speaker 14: turning thirteen on Saturday and my daughter's seventeen on the

1541
01:11:31,572 --> 01:11:35,253
Speaker 14: eighteen on the nineteenth of December, and I'm spending a

1542
01:11:35,333 --> 01:11:38,772
Speaker 14: lot of time with them now, but it's only because

1543
01:11:38,812 --> 01:11:40,213
Speaker 14: I work so hard in the beginning.

1544
01:11:41,372 --> 01:11:44,812
Speaker 3: How good I mean, do you think you as a parent,

1545
01:11:44,973 --> 01:11:48,412
Speaker 3: Girard has has some better tools around yourself than your

1546
01:11:48,452 --> 01:11:51,253
Speaker 3: parents might air. I just say that is clearly I

1547
01:11:51,293 --> 01:11:54,093
Speaker 3: get my work ethic from from Dead and Mum, both

1548
01:11:54,093 --> 01:11:57,333
Speaker 3: incredibly hard workers. But Dead and Mum for that matter,

1549
01:11:57,333 --> 01:11:59,412
Speaker 3: I don't know how if they handled stress that well

1550
01:11:59,412 --> 01:12:01,412
Speaker 3: at times. And I like to think, as you say,

1551
01:12:01,452 --> 01:12:03,213
Speaker 3: you know, you take the good parts and you try

1552
01:12:03,253 --> 01:12:05,972
Speaker 3: and change things that you might think you can do better.

1553
01:12:06,053 --> 01:12:07,612
Speaker 3: But I wonder if the tools are a bit better

1554
01:12:07,652 --> 01:12:11,772
Speaker 3: around me now that I have more wisdom and access

1555
01:12:11,933 --> 01:12:14,172
Speaker 3: to information to deal with that than my parents said.

1556
01:12:14,772 --> 01:12:18,213
Speaker 14: Exactly one hundred percent. Well, the one thing about my

1557
01:12:18,372 --> 01:12:22,412
Speaker 14: parents is my father's my grandfather, my father's father. He

1558
01:12:22,492 --> 01:12:25,333
Speaker 14: passed away when my father was only seven, so he

1559
01:12:25,412 --> 01:12:29,412
Speaker 14: never had a father to mimic or to copy or

1560
01:12:29,452 --> 01:12:32,093
Speaker 14: to pick things up from because he lost his father

1561
01:12:32,173 --> 01:12:35,293
Speaker 14: so young. So he made a lot of mistakes which.

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01:12:35,093 --> 01:12:36,012
Speaker 18: Are picked up.

1563
01:12:36,572 --> 01:12:38,612
Speaker 14: And as I've got older, I realized, hey, hold on,

1564
01:12:38,652 --> 01:12:39,852
Speaker 14: I don't want to do that with my children. I

1565
01:12:39,853 --> 01:12:41,812
Speaker 14: don't want to do that with my children, and I'll

1566
01:12:41,853 --> 01:12:45,572
Speaker 14: pick those up. And I I feel I don't know yet,

1567
01:12:45,692 --> 01:12:48,572
Speaker 14: but I feel I've put my children on a really

1568
01:12:48,612 --> 01:12:52,133
Speaker 14: good path and a really good foundation under their feet

1569
01:12:52,412 --> 01:12:54,372
Speaker 14: that they're going to be really good children that got

1570
01:12:54,412 --> 01:12:58,093
Speaker 14: really good adults when they get older. And it was

1571
01:12:58,093 --> 01:13:00,293
Speaker 14: a little harder for us because my father was quite

1572
01:13:00,293 --> 01:13:03,652
Speaker 14: a It was a lot harder person than the average

1573
01:13:03,973 --> 01:13:06,812
Speaker 14: father out there because he worked so hard, and when

1574
01:13:06,853 --> 01:13:09,812
Speaker 14: he got them in the evenings, he had no energy,

1575
01:13:09,893 --> 01:13:13,013
Speaker 14: he had no calm for us. And I've learned from that.

1576
01:13:13,133 --> 01:13:15,932
Speaker 14: So now I told my wife that the first five

1577
01:13:16,013 --> 01:13:19,253
Speaker 14: years of my son's laugh, yes, being around. I try

1578
01:13:19,293 --> 01:13:20,532
Speaker 14: to be around as much as I can, but I

1579
01:13:20,692 --> 01:13:23,612
Speaker 14: worked really, really hot at the long hours. But now

1580
01:13:23,652 --> 01:13:27,452
Speaker 14: that he's older, I believe he's appreciated me because I've

1581
01:13:27,492 --> 01:13:30,732
Speaker 14: set us up now for the future that I don't

1582
01:13:30,812 --> 01:13:33,892
Speaker 14: have to stress too much about having to work so hard.

1583
01:13:34,213 --> 01:13:37,772
Speaker 14: Because I've pushed myself up in my career, I get

1584
01:13:37,812 --> 01:13:39,853
Speaker 14: more time to myself career.

1585
01:13:39,572 --> 01:13:41,692
Speaker 2: Wise, Yeah, good on you, Jared. You sound like a

1586
01:13:41,732 --> 01:13:42,173
Speaker 2: great dad.

1587
01:13:42,253 --> 01:13:43,293
Speaker 3: What a great call.

1588
01:13:43,293 --> 01:13:45,213
Speaker 2: We've got to go to ads, but I'll share this quote.

1589
01:13:45,213 --> 01:13:47,132
Speaker 2: We were talking about this guy the other day, Professor

1590
01:13:47,133 --> 01:13:49,652
Speaker 2: Scott Galloway. But he's got a really interesting quote about

1591
01:13:49,692 --> 01:13:53,452
Speaker 2: that work life balance thing and you know, buying yourself

1592
01:13:53,452 --> 01:13:55,532
Speaker 2: time for your kids. This is a good text. Though

1593
01:13:56,372 --> 01:13:58,412
Speaker 2: my mother could not handle a missy bench and would

1594
01:13:58,452 --> 01:14:01,092
Speaker 2: wipe other people's bench tops. I realized I was becoming

1595
01:14:01,133 --> 01:14:04,092
Speaker 2: her as I am now a tragic benchtop wiper.

1596
01:14:04,532 --> 01:14:08,652
Speaker 3: That's brilliant. It is ten to three, beg very shortly, the.

1597
01:14:08,652 --> 01:14:11,213
Speaker 1: Issues that affect you, and a bit of fun along

1598
01:14:11,213 --> 01:14:15,452
Speaker 1: the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News talk zebby.

1599
01:14:16,853 --> 01:14:20,333
Speaker 3: Right, so the details with Clinton and the team at

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01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:24,852
Speaker 3: the Auckland Museum. It is there exhibition over the summer,

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01:14:24,893 --> 01:14:27,253
Speaker 3: so he hid to Auckland Museum dot com to find

1602
01:14:27,253 --> 01:14:29,692
Speaker 3: out more. Sounds amazing and as we had a chat

1603
01:14:29,692 --> 01:14:32,893
Speaker 3: about on the show not so long ago, shark's incredible.

1604
01:14:32,973 --> 01:14:35,612
Speaker 3: I mean the myths around sharks and what they do

1605
01:14:35,692 --> 01:14:38,812
Speaker 3: for the ecosystem absolutely incredible. So go check it out.

1606
01:14:38,853 --> 01:14:39,372
Speaker 3: The good people.

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01:14:39,532 --> 01:14:44,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, back to our topic, of the day around when

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01:14:44,093 --> 01:14:47,492
Speaker 2: you first noticed you were turning into your parents. Gerard

1609
01:14:47,572 --> 01:14:49,333
Speaker 2: rang before and he was talking about how he worked really,

1610
01:14:49,372 --> 01:14:52,732
Speaker 2: really hard when his kids were young, and now he's

1611
01:14:53,093 --> 01:14:55,812
Speaker 2: got some more time to spend with them. Professor Scott Gallaway,

1612
01:14:55,812 --> 01:14:57,852
Speaker 2: who we were talking about the other day. He's a

1613
01:14:57,853 --> 01:15:01,173
Speaker 2: great writer and a businessman. Professor is a hugely successful

1614
01:15:01,412 --> 01:15:04,093
Speaker 2: businessman who teaches that balance as a myth, especially when

1615
01:15:04,133 --> 01:15:07,293
Speaker 2: you're young. He believes the happy family life he has

1616
01:15:07,372 --> 01:15:09,732
Speaker 2: now was set up by working insanely hard as a

1617
01:15:09,772 --> 01:15:13,253
Speaker 2: young man. I interviewed him about it and he said,

1618
01:15:13,732 --> 01:15:15,732
Speaker 2: this is what he said about it. Capitalist societies for

1619
01:15:15,772 --> 01:15:19,132
Speaker 2: giving places for people with money and harsh, rapacious places

1620
01:15:19,133 --> 01:15:21,932
Speaker 2: for people without. Few people develop economic security without working

1621
01:15:21,973 --> 01:15:25,213
Speaker 2: their asses off for ten to twenty years. It cost

1622
01:15:25,253 --> 01:15:27,333
Speaker 2: me my hair, my first marriage, and it was worth

1623
01:15:27,372 --> 01:15:29,852
Speaker 2: it because now I can take the afternoon and watch

1624
01:15:29,933 --> 01:15:32,213
Speaker 2: my son play rugby. It's not because I'm a great dad.

1625
01:15:32,253 --> 01:15:34,612
Speaker 2: It's because I was very focused on my career and

1626
01:15:34,692 --> 01:15:37,492
Speaker 2: I got lucky too. That was my way. That's not

1627
01:15:37,532 --> 01:15:39,612
Speaker 2: to say that's the right way. Some people decide at

1628
01:15:39,612 --> 01:15:41,972
Speaker 2: an earlier age they don't want to live to work

1629
01:15:42,013 --> 01:15:43,932
Speaker 2: they moved to a lower cost area of a modest

1630
01:15:43,973 --> 01:15:46,412
Speaker 2: lifestyle and spend more time with family and friends their

1631
01:15:46,532 --> 01:15:49,933
Speaker 2: entire life. If they're making connections, great, I respect that,

1632
01:15:50,013 --> 01:15:52,572
Speaker 2: but I tell young people turn off the hallmark version

1633
01:15:52,612 --> 01:15:56,173
Speaker 2: of work and life where we can maintain our career relationships,

1634
01:15:56,213 --> 01:15:58,652
Speaker 2: donate time, make a ton of money, and coach little league.

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01:15:58,812 --> 01:16:02,213
Speaker 2: Be clear. There is no such thing as balance. There's

1636
01:16:02,253 --> 01:16:02,932
Speaker 2: just trade offs.

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01:16:02,973 --> 01:16:04,292
Speaker 3: Oh he's good, and.

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01:16:04,412 --> 01:16:06,053
Speaker 2: A lot of parents about to do that. You may

1639
01:16:06,093 --> 01:16:08,333
Speaker 2: look back as that Texas said and said my dad

1640
01:16:08,372 --> 01:16:10,652
Speaker 2: wasn't around all the time because he was working. He

1641
01:16:10,933 --> 01:16:14,333
Speaker 2: was working his butt off, because there isn't that trade off. Yeah,

1642
01:16:14,412 --> 01:16:17,293
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to have that financially secure

1643
01:16:17,692 --> 01:16:21,532
Speaker 2: situation for your kids, you might have to sacrifice a

1644
01:16:21,572 --> 01:16:24,612
Speaker 2: little bit of your time with them to provide that.

1645
01:16:24,853 --> 01:16:27,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, so true. Rich Ed, how are you this afternoon?

1646
01:16:28,732 --> 01:16:32,412
Speaker 9: Yeah, very well, thank you. I just wanted share a

1647
01:16:32,492 --> 01:16:35,532
Speaker 9: little bit on the previous texts.

1648
01:16:36,253 --> 01:16:36,532
Speaker 14: Yep.

1649
01:16:39,253 --> 01:16:45,452
Speaker 9: Yeah, they sound like very selfish, ungrateful children. That's not

1650
01:16:45,532 --> 01:16:46,772
Speaker 9: to say that, you know.

1651
01:16:46,772 --> 01:16:49,412
Speaker 4: All of those the people that sort of.

1652
01:16:49,333 --> 01:16:52,692
Speaker 9: Sit kind of like talk about the scene narrative are

1653
01:16:52,732 --> 01:16:57,572
Speaker 9: the scene. But me, I was born into a family

1654
01:16:57,732 --> 01:17:02,412
Speaker 9: of war fame. My dad passed away when I was

1655
01:17:02,612 --> 01:17:04,892
Speaker 9: six years old, and my mom was a stay at

1656
01:17:04,973 --> 01:17:09,372
Speaker 9: home mom, and she had to raise five children on

1657
01:17:09,412 --> 01:17:13,093
Speaker 9: her own. And we were in a kind of like

1658
01:17:13,133 --> 01:17:17,253
Speaker 9: a village situation. And yeah we were.

1659
01:17:17,412 --> 01:17:17,612
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1660
01:17:17,652 --> 01:17:26,572
Speaker 9: We got educated and I got married, worked well and

1661
01:17:27,213 --> 01:17:31,093
Speaker 9: supported my nephews and nieces. There were sixteen of them.

1662
01:17:31,173 --> 01:17:34,612
Speaker 9: I don't have any children of my own yet, but

1663
01:17:34,812 --> 01:17:36,973
Speaker 9: the sixteen nephews and nieces.

1664
01:17:37,933 --> 01:17:38,173
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1665
01:17:38,293 --> 01:17:44,012
Speaker 9: Me, in my single life and also my married life,

1666
01:17:44,053 --> 01:17:50,293
Speaker 9: we supported our sixteen nephews and nieces, and most of them, yeah,

1667
01:17:51,532 --> 01:17:55,892
Speaker 9: since their baby years, are now professionals, young professionals, married

1668
01:17:55,933 --> 01:18:01,132
Speaker 9: with their own children and continuing the family, the family

1669
01:18:01,173 --> 01:18:05,772
Speaker 9: tradition of working and doing all the trade off that

1670
01:18:06,213 --> 01:18:08,213
Speaker 9: normal people do.

1671
01:18:08,412 --> 01:18:10,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautifully, said Richard, you sound like a great uncle.

1672
01:18:11,333 --> 01:18:13,612
Speaker 3: Thank you very much to everyone who called in text

1673
01:18:13,652 --> 01:18:16,612
Speaker 3: on that great discussion. Really enjoyed that one. Coming up

1674
01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:19,452
Speaker 3: after three o'clock though, we want to have a chat

1675
01:18:19,492 --> 01:18:22,812
Speaker 3: about Christmas parties, the dos and don'ts, and is it

1676
01:18:22,853 --> 01:18:25,173
Speaker 3: okay to ghosts. That's all coming up, Oh, eight hundred

1677
01:18:25,173 --> 01:18:26,772
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. If you want to get an

1678
01:18:26,772 --> 01:18:30,853
Speaker 3: early new Sport and weather on its way back. Very surely.

1679
01:18:33,013 --> 01:18:37,333
Speaker 1: Your new homes are insightful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie

1680
01:18:37,532 --> 01:18:41,092
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons on News Talk Sevvy.

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01:18:42,133 --> 01:18:45,253
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons you sex past three. Great to have

1682
01:18:45,333 --> 01:18:49,293
Speaker 3: you with us as always. So the old Christmas Party,

1683
01:18:49,333 --> 01:18:51,452
Speaker 3: the work Christmas Party, it's starting to ramp up for

1684
01:18:51,532 --> 01:18:54,412
Speaker 3: some places around the country as we speak. But a

1685
01:18:54,452 --> 01:18:58,293
Speaker 3: story very recently shows that more and more workplaces are

1686
01:18:58,333 --> 01:19:00,572
Speaker 3: saying no to the old Christmas Party. And if they

1687
01:19:00,572 --> 01:19:04,052
Speaker 3: are doing the Christmas party, they're rarely cutting the budget.

1688
01:19:04,053 --> 01:19:06,013
Speaker 3: They're trying to make it as small as possible, with

1689
01:19:06,173 --> 01:19:10,572
Speaker 3: Scrooge like as possible, for various reasons. Some of those

1690
01:19:10,572 --> 01:19:13,852
Speaker 3: are budget related, but also there's a few workplaces out there,

1691
01:19:13,853 --> 01:19:16,133
Speaker 3: according to this article, that get a bit worried about

1692
01:19:16,133 --> 01:19:17,452
Speaker 3: the old Christmas party behavior.

1693
01:19:18,093 --> 01:19:18,372
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1694
01:19:18,492 --> 01:19:22,133
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of responsibility placed on the

1695
01:19:22,173 --> 01:19:25,772
Speaker 2: workplace for the behavior of their workers at Christmas parties

1696
01:19:25,772 --> 01:19:27,772
Speaker 2: and even getting them home, which I think is insane.

1697
01:19:27,853 --> 01:19:31,852
Speaker 2: I think if you work for a company, then it's

1698
01:19:31,933 --> 01:19:35,052
Speaker 2: still on you to behave sensibly at the work Christmas party,

1699
01:19:35,053 --> 01:19:38,412
Speaker 2: and it's up to you to get yourself home. You

1700
01:19:38,452 --> 01:19:42,933
Speaker 2: know that, I think that putting that responsibility on the

1701
01:19:42,973 --> 01:19:45,053
Speaker 2: workplace is crazy.

1702
01:19:45,253 --> 01:19:46,852
Speaker 3: If you're out of the office and you're having your

1703
01:19:46,893 --> 01:19:51,492
Speaker 3: Christmas party somewhere else, then clearly that's up to personal responsibility.

1704
01:19:51,492 --> 01:19:53,692
Speaker 3: You're all adults, right, And if you decide to have

1705
01:19:53,732 --> 01:19:56,013
Speaker 3: a massive skinful before you arrive at the party and

1706
01:19:56,053 --> 01:19:57,893
Speaker 3: then jump on the tables and dance and make a

1707
01:19:57,933 --> 01:20:00,893
Speaker 3: play at one of your colleagues who think that you're awful.

1708
01:20:00,612 --> 01:20:02,333
Speaker 2: And then go out to a bar afterwards again into

1709
01:20:02,372 --> 01:20:06,013
Speaker 2: a fight instead of going home or whatever, that's absolutely

1710
01:20:06,173 --> 01:20:09,013
Speaker 2: on you. The idea that we're losing Christmas parties or

1711
01:20:09,093 --> 01:20:16,852
Speaker 2: Christmas parties are becoming watered down. See, that's the price

1712
01:20:16,853 --> 01:20:20,013
Speaker 2: you pay, isn't it. So it may seem like a

1713
01:20:20,492 --> 01:20:22,692
Speaker 2: you know, it might seem like the right thing to

1714
01:20:22,732 --> 01:20:26,572
Speaker 2: do with the safety conscious attitude, but what you do

1715
01:20:26,692 --> 01:20:30,532
Speaker 2: is you end up removing these fantastic bonding experiences that

1716
01:20:30,612 --> 01:20:33,492
Speaker 2: people in the year with and you get to say

1717
01:20:33,532 --> 01:20:35,852
Speaker 2: thank you to everyone, and you celebrate all the hard

1718
01:20:35,893 --> 01:20:37,893
Speaker 2: work you've done and you put an exclamation mark on

1719
01:20:37,933 --> 01:20:43,933
Speaker 2: the year. But when you then make it the employer's

1720
01:20:44,013 --> 01:20:48,732
Speaker 2: responsibility for your behavior. Then the whole thing gets blown

1721
01:20:48,812 --> 01:20:50,932
Speaker 2: up and destroyed. And then we get going out for

1722
01:20:51,253 --> 01:20:52,932
Speaker 2: a lunch, you know.

1723
01:20:53,293 --> 01:20:55,852
Speaker 3: A pizza party. Yeah, you get a few pizzas around

1724
01:20:55,893 --> 01:20:57,133
Speaker 3: and thanks for you for your year.

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01:20:57,652 --> 01:21:01,492
Speaker 2: Christmas Christmas party is happening. Well, we're on are, So

1726
01:21:01,532 --> 01:21:03,333
Speaker 2: we're not invited to the work Christmas party because it

1727
01:21:03,893 --> 01:21:06,812
Speaker 2: exists only within the hours that you and I are

1728
01:21:06,812 --> 01:21:07,093
Speaker 2: on ere.

1729
01:21:07,692 --> 01:21:11,292
Speaker 3: The dustill on from two pm to four pm. Christmas

1730
01:21:11,293 --> 01:21:14,612
Speaker 3: party ends in me, which is unfortunate for us because,

1731
01:21:14,652 --> 01:21:16,372
Speaker 3: as you say, it all wraps up by the time

1732
01:21:16,412 --> 01:21:19,372
Speaker 3: we finish on Are, She's done christ This party's over.

1733
01:21:19,973 --> 01:21:22,372
Speaker 2: Well that that just that shows you, doesn't it. That

1734
01:21:22,612 --> 01:21:25,452
Speaker 2: says a little something about your behavior at previous Christmas parties.

1735
01:21:25,492 --> 01:21:28,213
Speaker 2: I think they've moved that. This is called the stop

1736
01:21:28,253 --> 01:21:29,733
Speaker 2: Tyler Cumming strategy.

1737
01:21:30,213 --> 01:21:32,052
Speaker 3: I think it is. I had to go cutty wide

1738
01:21:32,093 --> 01:21:34,012
Speaker 3: because it was the only way they could do it legally.

1739
01:21:34,532 --> 01:21:36,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so how important is a Christmas party to

1740
01:21:37,053 --> 01:21:40,932
Speaker 2: your work? Is your work still doing a large Christmas party?

1741
01:21:40,933 --> 01:21:42,133
Speaker 2: Have they already done it? I mean a lot of

1742
01:21:42,173 --> 01:21:45,732
Speaker 2: people have got it done by now. And let's talk

1743
01:21:45,772 --> 01:21:48,532
Speaker 2: about some of the mistakes. The personal responsibility of a

1744
01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:51,253
Speaker 2: Christmas party, how you behave at a Christmas party, and

1745
01:21:51,772 --> 01:21:54,733
Speaker 2: examples of terrible behavior and what you shouldn't do. Yeah,

1746
01:21:54,853 --> 01:21:57,253
Speaker 2: I think it's important and I've made this mistake at

1747
01:21:57,293 --> 01:22:00,652
Speaker 2: a number of Christmas parties as you need to You

1748
01:22:00,732 --> 01:22:02,452
Speaker 2: need to go there and stay in the middle of

1749
01:22:02,492 --> 01:22:04,973
Speaker 2: the pack. Yep, you know you need to go in

1750
01:22:05,013 --> 01:22:07,372
Speaker 2: there with a mindset. There are other rules such as

1751
01:22:07,412 --> 01:22:13,213
Speaker 2: not punishing your superiors with your thoughts on how things

1752
01:22:13,213 --> 01:22:13,612
Speaker 2: are run.

1753
01:22:13,732 --> 01:22:15,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't do that. Definitely don't do that.

1754
01:22:15,612 --> 01:22:19,932
Speaker 2: Don't give a skinful and bail up your boss and

1755
01:22:19,933 --> 01:22:23,732
Speaker 2: give them an air full around you know, the lack

1756
01:22:23,772 --> 01:22:26,372
Speaker 2: of staples in the stationary cupboard.

1757
01:22:26,452 --> 01:22:28,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, boss wants to hear that, but love to

1758
01:22:28,133 --> 01:22:29,692
Speaker 3: hear from you. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten

1759
01:22:29,732 --> 01:22:31,812
Speaker 3: eighty if you've done the Christmas party this year, added

1760
01:22:31,853 --> 01:22:35,253
Speaker 3: it go or has your workplace decided it's too much

1761
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:38,452
Speaker 3: hassle when they've downsized the old office party? And also,

1762
01:22:38,893 --> 01:22:41,532
Speaker 3: can you hear your experiences when you or a colleague

1763
01:22:41,572 --> 01:22:43,333
Speaker 3: went a little bit too far? And what are the

1764
01:22:43,412 --> 01:22:44,693
Speaker 3: dos and don'ts.

1765
01:22:44,652 --> 01:22:47,772
Speaker 2: Because that's quite terrifying I think now for companies too

1766
01:22:48,772 --> 01:22:52,812
Speaker 2: or even you know, even small workplaces to run a

1767
01:22:52,893 --> 01:22:56,892
Speaker 2: Christmas party. Yeah, because so much responsibility has been put

1768
01:22:56,973 --> 01:22:59,773
Speaker 2: on the employer for the behavior of their employees.

1769
01:22:59,853 --> 01:23:03,852
Speaker 3: And is that fair? No's we're adults, most of them.

1770
01:23:03,893 --> 01:23:07,892
Speaker 2: It's always, it's always, it's always your responsibility wherever you are.

1771
01:23:08,053 --> 01:23:10,293
Speaker 3: Yeah. Can you get your thoughts on this one O

1772
01:23:10,412 --> 01:23:13,013
Speaker 3: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty and also your experiences

1773
01:23:13,053 --> 01:23:16,013
Speaker 3: as well for the old Christmas office party nine two

1774
01:23:16,093 --> 01:23:18,173
Speaker 3: ninety two is that text? It is twelve past three

1775
01:23:18,452 --> 01:23:21,053
Speaker 3: on news talks it'd be fourteen past three. So we're

1776
01:23:21,053 --> 01:23:24,372
Speaker 3: talking about the end of year Christmas parties in your workplace.

1777
01:23:24,412 --> 01:23:27,452
Speaker 3: An article that shows a lot of workplaces are either

1778
01:23:27,532 --> 01:23:31,133
Speaker 3: not doing them at all or downsizing a lot. So

1779
01:23:31,213 --> 01:23:33,732
Speaker 3: it says many companies are now opting, if they do

1780
01:23:33,732 --> 01:23:36,092
Speaker 3: do a Christmas party, for daytime events that are family

1781
01:23:36,093 --> 01:23:40,213
Speaker 3: friendly and have a charity element. The reasons for this

1782
01:23:40,372 --> 01:23:43,213
Speaker 3: and numerous, but it is down to the accountability of

1783
01:23:43,253 --> 01:23:48,333
Speaker 3: social media, the peripherlation of non alcoholic beverages, and bad

1784
01:23:48,372 --> 01:23:50,132
Speaker 3: behavior at previous Christmas parties.

1785
01:23:50,612 --> 01:23:54,932
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because the Health and Safety at Work Act basically

1786
01:23:54,973 --> 01:23:57,972
Speaker 2: the boss must take reasonable steps to keep people safe

1787
01:23:58,053 --> 01:24:00,532
Speaker 2: at any work organized event. At Christmas part accounts is

1788
01:24:00,532 --> 01:24:03,893
Speaker 2: at work activity, even if it's off site and after hours.

1789
01:24:04,173 --> 01:24:07,892
Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. That is absolutely ridiculous that if you're having

1790
01:24:07,933 --> 01:24:12,052
Speaker 2: a Workchristmas party at a different location and people choose

1791
01:24:12,093 --> 01:24:15,333
Speaker 2: to come, that the employer who's putting on the party

1792
01:24:15,372 --> 01:24:21,572
Speaker 2: is somehow responsible for the behavior of the workers at

1793
01:24:21,572 --> 01:24:25,052
Speaker 2: the Christmas party. I mean, these are adults that are going.

1794
01:24:25,133 --> 01:24:29,253
Speaker 2: It's not a school trip. It's people that have agreed

1795
01:24:29,293 --> 01:24:33,612
Speaker 2: to come to the Christmas party. You put some drinks on, yep, whatever,

1796
01:24:33,692 --> 01:24:36,293
Speaker 2: there's a few speeches. If someone wants to be a

1797
01:24:36,333 --> 01:24:39,492
Speaker 2: complete and uttered dickhead, that's on them.

1798
01:24:39,612 --> 01:24:41,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. But what do you say, oh,

1799
01:24:41,333 --> 01:24:44,412
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you've recently had your

1800
01:24:44,452 --> 01:24:46,372
Speaker 3: Christmas party, keen to hear from you how it went.

1801
01:24:46,452 --> 01:24:49,772
Speaker 3: And also those Christmas parties of old where things got

1802
01:24:49,772 --> 01:24:51,972
Speaker 3: a little bit loose, maybe yourself or a colleague. Nine

1803
01:24:52,053 --> 01:24:56,772
Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text number. Oh yeah, that's

1804
01:24:56,772 --> 01:24:57,372
Speaker 3: a good one.

1805
01:24:57,612 --> 01:25:01,573
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Christmas parties in the heart open polytechnic

1806
01:25:01,652 --> 01:25:04,173
Speaker 2: wild as. But's so funny, sad thing as I only

1807
01:25:04,173 --> 01:25:08,133
Speaker 2: remember up to funny. But the Booze bus apparently had

1808
01:25:08,173 --> 01:25:11,333
Speaker 2: all traffic going over Kennedy Good Bridge waiting for lights

1809
01:25:11,372 --> 01:25:15,492
Speaker 2: to go green while I'm on the poll twerking my

1810
01:25:15,732 --> 01:25:19,173
Speaker 2: team leader. Everyone was tooting. True story. But the other

1811
01:25:19,213 --> 01:25:22,573
Speaker 2: parties someone are running into a hedge and not reappearing.

1812
01:25:23,293 --> 01:25:25,372
Speaker 3: Go sounds like a good time at the open Polytechnic

1813
01:25:25,372 --> 01:25:25,852
Speaker 3: and Wellington.

1814
01:25:25,973 --> 01:25:29,572
Speaker 2: How good running into a hedge and not reappearing. Yeah,

1815
01:25:29,612 --> 01:25:31,133
Speaker 2: well they must have come out. Is that like a

1816
01:25:31,173 --> 01:25:33,372
Speaker 2: Homer Simpson situation where you're back into the hedge?

1817
01:25:33,812 --> 01:25:36,173
Speaker 3: That must be twerking with your team leader as well

1818
01:25:36,173 --> 01:25:38,333
Speaker 3: on the boos bus. I mean that is that's high

1819
01:25:38,412 --> 01:25:39,012
Speaker 3: level stuff.

1820
01:25:39,572 --> 01:25:41,452
Speaker 2: I remember Christmas party where I ended up on the

1821
01:25:42,013 --> 01:25:45,612
Speaker 2: somehow on a stripper's pole, right, it's not so where

1822
01:25:46,013 --> 01:25:47,293
Speaker 2: or when? That's number of years ago, all.

1823
01:25:47,293 --> 01:25:50,213
Speaker 3: Kinds of mergers together at this point. Yeah, yeah, yes, oh,

1824
01:25:50,213 --> 01:25:52,333
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I all say though

1825
01:25:52,372 --> 01:25:54,612
Speaker 3: that the so the article sees a lot more businesses

1826
01:25:54,652 --> 01:25:56,772
Speaker 3: as are just saying no to the Christmas party full stop.

1827
01:25:56,933 --> 01:25:59,172
Speaker 3: If you're at a place that sees no more Christmas

1828
01:25:59,253 --> 01:26:01,173
Speaker 3: party or office party at the end of the year,

1829
01:26:02,053 --> 01:26:03,892
Speaker 3: that's kind of a sad state of afears right as

1830
01:26:03,933 --> 01:26:07,133
Speaker 3: you say, that's having a few drinks with your workmates

1831
01:26:07,372 --> 01:26:10,412
Speaker 3: on specially k in the end of a full on,

1832
01:26:10,893 --> 01:26:12,933
Speaker 3: full noise year, which has been for a lot of

1833
01:26:12,973 --> 01:26:15,012
Speaker 3: people to just put on a few beers and say

1834
01:26:15,173 --> 01:26:17,372
Speaker 3: job well done. It was tough this year, but we

1835
01:26:17,492 --> 01:26:20,213
Speaker 3: love you, guys, and we celebrate you, and here's to

1836
01:26:20,253 --> 01:26:22,572
Speaker 3: a great Christmas and we see you back here and

1837
01:26:22,572 --> 01:26:24,932
Speaker 3: we'll keep kicking butt in twenty twenty six. The fact

1838
01:26:24,933 --> 01:26:26,532
Speaker 3: that a business wouldn't do that, I mean, what does

1839
01:26:26,572 --> 01:26:27,492
Speaker 3: that say about the business?

1840
01:26:27,812 --> 01:26:28,172
Speaker 1: Guys?

1841
01:26:28,812 --> 01:26:31,692
Speaker 2: This whole text is in caps, so should if it's

1842
01:26:31,692 --> 01:26:33,732
Speaker 2: all if old texas and caps to I yell at,

1843
01:26:33,853 --> 01:26:36,492
Speaker 2: I think you have to guys, if the bar manager

1844
01:26:36,492 --> 01:26:38,572
Speaker 2: at the pub is responsible to make sure you don't

1845
01:26:38,572 --> 01:26:41,012
Speaker 2: get drunk, then on the same argument, the work boss

1846
01:26:41,093 --> 01:26:43,692
Speaker 2: must be responsible at the workdo to make sure you

1847
01:26:43,732 --> 01:26:48,692
Speaker 2: don't overdo it either. From George, well, if it's at

1848
01:26:48,732 --> 01:26:52,133
Speaker 2: a bar and the work has booked the bar, then

1849
01:26:52,532 --> 01:26:56,093
Speaker 2: the you know, then those laws and the you know,

1850
01:26:56,412 --> 01:26:59,053
Speaker 2: the manager of the pub, you know, they'll enforce it

1851
01:26:59,093 --> 01:27:00,333
Speaker 2: as they see they have to.

1852
01:27:00,492 --> 01:27:04,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly if you're outside of your actual office at

1853
01:27:04,133 --> 01:27:07,372
Speaker 3: that point. I would have thought the liability is no

1854
01:27:07,452 --> 01:27:09,772
Speaker 3: longer with the It's on you as an adult.

1855
01:27:10,812 --> 01:27:14,452
Speaker 2: Oh, tweaking not twerking? Okay, right, well working not tweaking.

1856
01:27:14,732 --> 01:27:16,932
Speaker 2: That that person was twirking not tweaking. Yeah, they sent

1857
01:27:17,173 --> 01:27:19,213
Speaker 2: I got it right. I changed it. Yeah, I changed

1858
01:27:19,253 --> 01:27:20,333
Speaker 2: it from tweaking to twerking.

1859
01:27:20,492 --> 01:27:23,652
Speaker 3: A big difference between those two things. Ye, keep those

1860
01:27:23,692 --> 01:27:25,652
Speaker 3: teas coming through. But ken you hear from you on

1861
01:27:25,692 --> 01:27:27,612
Speaker 3: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty? What are you

1862
01:27:27,612 --> 01:27:29,333
Speaker 3: doing if you're a business owner, what are you actually

1863
01:27:29,333 --> 01:27:32,293
Speaker 3: doing for your employees this year? If it is a

1864
01:27:32,293 --> 01:27:35,532
Speaker 3: family orientated event, you still allow booze or has it

1865
01:27:35,572 --> 01:27:38,612
Speaker 3: become too problematic for you to offer booze? Really? Can

1866
01:27:38,652 --> 01:27:39,093
Speaker 3: ever chap?

1867
01:27:39,452 --> 01:27:42,452
Speaker 2: My husband's work does nothing for a Christmas party, and

1868
01:27:42,652 --> 01:27:44,692
Speaker 2: have done for a few years. The boss claims it's

1869
01:27:44,692 --> 01:27:47,692
Speaker 2: too expensive. When there has been a party, the staff

1870
01:27:47,692 --> 01:27:50,052
Speaker 2: has had to either pay or provide their food and drink,

1871
01:27:50,293 --> 01:27:53,652
Speaker 2: and when a staff member leaves, especially valuable ones, there's

1872
01:27:53,652 --> 01:27:57,372
Speaker 2: nothing as well. Yeah, I mean, as I guess it's

1873
01:27:57,372 --> 01:28:01,293
Speaker 2: a factor for employees of cost and also the host

1874
01:28:01,333 --> 01:28:07,253
Speaker 2: responsibilities that have been put upon them, so you know,

1875
01:28:07,372 --> 01:28:11,253
Speaker 2: their work to provide food and non alcohol drinks avoided

1876
01:28:11,372 --> 01:28:17,372
Speaker 2: unlimited open bars. What so the Health and Safety Act

1877
01:28:17,452 --> 01:28:20,692
Speaker 2: is legislated that you're not allowed to have unlimited open bars,

1878
01:28:21,532 --> 01:28:25,093
Speaker 2: bloody grinches. It's over stepping having a plan for people

1879
01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:28,492
Speaker 2: who are clearly intoxicated. Well, people that are clearly intoxicated,

1880
01:28:28,572 --> 01:28:31,412
Speaker 2: that's their problem. You know, you why should you have

1881
01:28:31,452 --> 01:28:33,093
Speaker 2: a plan? I mean their planners go home? Mate, ye,

1882
01:28:33,213 --> 01:28:39,172
Speaker 2: put them into taxi. You're embarrassing yourself ensuring transport home, taxis, rides, share, shuttles,

1883
01:28:39,173 --> 01:28:44,732
Speaker 2: et cetera. I mean the economy provides transport home, taxis, rides,

1884
01:28:44,732 --> 01:28:47,892
Speaker 2: share and shuttles. Yeah, you know, well maybe not shuttles,

1885
01:28:48,333 --> 01:28:51,612
Speaker 2: but the economy does. So why is it that someone

1886
01:28:51,652 --> 01:28:54,572
Speaker 2: can go out on a Friday night and get themselves

1887
01:28:54,612 --> 01:28:57,293
Speaker 2: at home home, but when they go to the Christmas party,

1888
01:28:57,333 --> 01:28:59,652
Speaker 2: it's somehow the works responsibility to get them home. Why

1889
01:28:59,652 --> 01:29:02,532
Speaker 2: do they suddenly because it's the party's been organized. They

1890
01:29:02,532 --> 01:29:04,812
Speaker 2: can go to a party to friend's house and it's

1891
01:29:04,853 --> 01:29:06,652
Speaker 2: not the responsibility of their friend to get them home,

1892
01:29:06,692 --> 01:29:08,732
Speaker 2: But suddenly because they're going to a war work, do

1893
01:29:09,253 --> 01:29:12,732
Speaker 2: they suddenly lose the ability to do basic things? Such

1894
01:29:12,732 --> 01:29:14,172
Speaker 2: as call an uber or a taxi.

1895
01:29:14,253 --> 01:29:16,053
Speaker 3: That's a great point if you're a business owner, love

1896
01:29:16,053 --> 01:29:17,612
Speaker 3: to hear from you on how you think I feel

1897
01:29:17,652 --> 01:29:19,852
Speaker 3: about this legislation and also what are you doing for

1898
01:29:19,933 --> 01:29:22,173
Speaker 3: your workers at the end of the year.

1899
01:29:23,213 --> 01:29:26,692
Speaker 2: As an employee employer with many casual part time employees,

1900
01:29:26,732 --> 01:29:28,972
Speaker 2: we do a Christmas hamper for each rather than a party,

1901
01:29:29,093 --> 01:29:30,692
Speaker 2: a lot less house still trying to get a date

1902
01:29:30,732 --> 01:29:32,772
Speaker 2: that works for all. Yeah, I mean you're doing you know,

1903
01:29:32,772 --> 01:29:34,372
Speaker 2: if you want to do that, if you get a hamper, yeap,

1904
01:29:34,532 --> 01:29:36,732
Speaker 2: it's good time. Back in the day, everyone got a

1905
01:29:36,772 --> 01:29:39,213
Speaker 2: Christmas ham didn't they. Yeah, that was the thing, you know.

1906
01:29:39,293 --> 01:29:41,012
Speaker 2: That's a nice thing to say. And it's not quite

1907
01:29:41,013 --> 01:29:43,532
Speaker 2: as good as everyone getting together and having a knees

1908
01:29:43,612 --> 01:29:46,173
Speaker 2: up and a chat, but a hamper is a nice

1909
01:29:46,213 --> 01:29:46,492
Speaker 2: thing to do.

1910
01:29:46,572 --> 01:29:47,852
Speaker 3: Who doesn't like a Christmas ham Oh?

1911
01:29:47,933 --> 01:29:49,892
Speaker 2: Wait, hundreds, I'd like a ham and a hamper because

1912
01:29:49,893 --> 01:29:51,293
Speaker 2: we can't go to the Christmas party. Thanks.

1913
01:29:51,333 --> 01:29:53,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, they used to do that, didn't they. I actually

1914
01:29:53,692 --> 01:29:55,933
Speaker 3: think at one point they used to offer everybody a

1915
01:29:55,933 --> 01:29:57,933
Speaker 3: bottle of champagne. I think those days are long gone. Oh,

1916
01:29:57,933 --> 01:30:00,452
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the number to call.

1917
01:30:00,492 --> 01:30:01,652
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. What are you doing for

1918
01:30:01,692 --> 01:30:04,572
Speaker 3: your Christmas party? And if you want to ring through

1919
01:30:04,612 --> 01:30:06,412
Speaker 3: and tell some tales of things when it went wrong

1920
01:30:06,412 --> 01:30:09,053
Speaker 3: at the old Christmas party, we're really up to that

1921
01:30:09,173 --> 01:30:11,053
Speaker 3: as well. Nine two nine two is the text. It's

1922
01:30:11,053 --> 01:30:11,892
Speaker 3: twenty one pass.

1923
01:30:11,732 --> 01:30:19,213
Speaker 1: Through Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1924
01:30:19,173 --> 01:30:21,372
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB.

1925
01:30:21,492 --> 01:30:23,932
Speaker 3: Twenty three pass three. So we're talking about the end

1926
01:30:23,933 --> 01:30:27,732
Speaker 3: of year Christmas parties at your workplace. According to this article,

1927
01:30:28,532 --> 01:30:30,812
Speaker 3: a lot of workplaces are just refusing to do the

1928
01:30:30,893 --> 01:30:32,933
Speaker 3: Christmas party. There's a few reasons for that. Some of

1929
01:30:32,973 --> 01:30:34,652
Speaker 3: it's cost, but a lot of it is it's too

1930
01:30:34,732 --> 01:30:36,612
Speaker 3: much handsle when things have gone wrong in the past.

1931
01:30:36,652 --> 01:30:38,013
Speaker 3: So really keen to hear from you on oh eight

1932
01:30:38,093 --> 01:30:41,213
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're if you're the

1933
01:30:41,213 --> 01:30:43,213
Speaker 3: boss or you own the company, are you still throw

1934
01:30:43,253 --> 01:30:45,173
Speaker 3: in something for your workers at the end of the year.

1935
01:30:45,452 --> 01:30:47,732
Speaker 2: Speaking of throwing something, someone's throwing some shade here at

1936
01:30:47,732 --> 01:30:49,452
Speaker 2: me on nine two nine two. Why do you need

1937
01:30:49,492 --> 01:30:51,093
Speaker 2: to get drunk and get on a pole at a

1938
01:30:51,173 --> 01:30:51,932
Speaker 2: Christmas party?

1939
01:30:51,933 --> 01:30:52,133
Speaker 15: Man?

1940
01:30:52,213 --> 01:30:54,572
Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? Pathetic? No one wants to

1941
01:30:54,572 --> 01:30:56,732
Speaker 2: see you on a pole. How does that bring a

1942
01:30:56,772 --> 01:30:59,133
Speaker 2: company together? Why do people need to watch you make

1943
01:30:59,173 --> 01:31:02,652
Speaker 2: a spectacle of yourself? You're a no class bogan. I'm

1944
01:31:02,652 --> 01:31:05,812
Speaker 2: sure your breakfast host would not have approved. Zeb didn't

1945
01:31:05,853 --> 01:31:08,652
Speaker 2: used to have people that would do that at a

1946
01:31:08,692 --> 01:31:11,692
Speaker 2: Christmas party on air. Bring back those times. Disgusted A

1947
01:31:11,772 --> 01:31:15,333
Speaker 2: couple of points on that. Yeah, many years ago. It

1948
01:31:15,372 --> 01:31:17,333
Speaker 2: wasn't at a Chris It was actually after a Christmas

1949
01:31:17,333 --> 01:31:20,173
Speaker 2: party at the whiskey right the kick ons, and there

1950
01:31:20,213 --> 01:31:22,253
Speaker 2: was a pole out the back. Nice and a number

1951
01:31:22,293 --> 01:31:24,572
Speaker 2: of employees were doing a spin on the pole. Bit

1952
01:31:24,652 --> 01:31:27,852
Speaker 2: there were And the idea that our breakfast host would

1953
01:31:27,853 --> 01:31:31,572
Speaker 2: have been at that Christmas party is ridiculous. He wouldn't

1954
01:31:31,572 --> 01:31:33,253
Speaker 2: have been at the Christmas party a little on the kickoff.

1955
01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:34,732
Speaker 3: No, no, exactly no.

1956
01:31:35,293 --> 01:31:38,572
Speaker 2: And look who in their youth, and by youth, I

1957
01:31:38,612 --> 01:31:42,052
Speaker 2: mean about five years six years ago wouldn't have Hasn't

1958
01:31:42,133 --> 01:31:43,852
Speaker 2: you know if there's a pole in the middle of

1959
01:31:43,853 --> 01:31:46,532
Speaker 2: the party, Yeah, then is it the end of the

1960
01:31:46,532 --> 01:31:49,452
Speaker 2: world if you give it but a spin? I had

1961
01:31:49,692 --> 01:31:52,293
Speaker 2: I had my suit on, I still had my full

1962
01:31:52,333 --> 01:31:55,213
Speaker 2: suit on. It wasn't a wasn't in a g or

1963
01:31:55,253 --> 01:31:56,052
Speaker 2: anything exactly.

1964
01:31:56,333 --> 01:31:58,652
Speaker 3: People still talk about that, Matt. That's a famous moment.

1965
01:31:58,692 --> 01:32:00,253
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eight years that

1966
01:32:00,293 --> 01:32:02,372
Speaker 3: number to call being how are you mate?

1967
01:32:03,492 --> 01:32:03,732
Speaker 8: Good?

1968
01:32:04,412 --> 01:32:06,093
Speaker 3: And you won't have a chat about what you're doing

1969
01:32:06,093 --> 01:32:07,652
Speaker 3: for your staff for the Christmas duo?

1970
01:32:08,973 --> 01:32:14,612
Speaker 18: Sure, we'll our staff for our team. We organize a bus,

1971
01:32:14,652 --> 01:32:18,133
Speaker 18: take them to a venue, feed them up on all

1972
01:32:18,173 --> 01:32:21,012
Speaker 18: the good things of life, and celebrate what they've done.

1973
01:32:21,093 --> 01:32:25,973
Speaker 18: We have an awards ceremony to recognize some of the

1974
01:32:26,293 --> 01:32:29,932
Speaker 18: extra special effort and going the extra mile the team

1975
01:32:29,933 --> 01:32:32,253
Speaker 18: put together. And it's really hard to choose those guys

1976
01:32:32,253 --> 01:32:35,652
Speaker 18: and boys and girls because they're all pretty exceptional. We

1977
01:32:35,732 --> 01:32:38,732
Speaker 18: take them back to the main venue by a bus.

1978
01:32:38,853 --> 01:32:40,612
Speaker 18: We pay for taxis for them to go home. They

1979
01:32:40,652 --> 01:32:43,852
Speaker 18: all have a great time. It's all safe and it's

1980
01:32:43,973 --> 01:32:46,892
Speaker 18: just common sense. That team put the right foot forward.

1981
01:32:47,053 --> 01:32:48,932
Speaker 18: Some of them get a bit carried away, their mates

1982
01:32:48,933 --> 01:32:51,532
Speaker 18: look after them. It's not a problem and we do

1983
01:32:51,572 --> 01:32:53,173
Speaker 18: not need legislation to tell us.

1984
01:32:53,133 --> 01:32:53,692
Speaker 16: How to think.

1985
01:32:54,412 --> 01:32:56,892
Speaker 18: It is a great you sent the movement that hasn't

1986
01:32:56,893 --> 01:32:57,852
Speaker 18: done this country any good.

1987
01:32:57,893 --> 01:33:00,173
Speaker 2: I believe you sound like a great boss. Do you

1988
01:33:00,173 --> 01:33:03,572
Speaker 2: have a name for your awards like a can see

1989
01:33:03,612 --> 01:33:04,612
Speaker 2: the Oscars?

1990
01:33:05,412 --> 01:33:06,013
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1991
01:33:06,093 --> 01:33:08,213
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's the end of be a prize giving. It's

1992
01:33:08,213 --> 01:33:13,173
Speaker 18: a trans Tasman exercise. It's very well organized. We take

1993
01:33:13,253 --> 01:33:16,053
Speaker 18: notes throughout the year. Then there's a voting part of

1994
01:33:16,093 --> 01:33:19,452
Speaker 18: it's voted for, so the colleagues have quite a say

1995
01:33:19,452 --> 01:33:22,532
Speaker 18: on who should be considered. And then there's a voting

1996
01:33:22,532 --> 01:33:24,812
Speaker 18: panel or a judging panel that figures out who the

1997
01:33:24,853 --> 01:33:27,732
Speaker 18: heroes are. But they're all heroes there. It's an amazing

1998
01:33:27,732 --> 01:33:28,213
Speaker 18: team we have.

1999
01:33:28,293 --> 01:33:30,093
Speaker 1: We're very lucky that is.

2000
01:33:30,133 --> 01:33:31,852
Speaker 2: That is great to hear and I can tell in

2001
01:33:31,893 --> 01:33:34,692
Speaker 2: your voice how proud you are of the people that

2002
01:33:34,772 --> 01:33:36,532
Speaker 2: work with you. And do you think it's important to

2003
01:33:36,532 --> 01:33:40,013
Speaker 2: bring people together and let them know that they are

2004
01:33:40,013 --> 01:33:41,893
Speaker 2: all one and they are appreciated at the end of

2005
01:33:41,893 --> 01:33:43,492
Speaker 2: the year. Sounds like a bit of a leading question, but.

2006
01:33:45,333 --> 01:33:48,253
Speaker 18: People like to belong to a winning team. And even

2007
01:33:48,293 --> 01:33:50,772
Speaker 18: if and it's not all beer and skills in our world.

2008
01:33:51,293 --> 01:33:54,052
Speaker 18: You know, we've had three years of pretty tough recession

2009
01:33:54,053 --> 01:33:56,692
Speaker 18: in New Zealand and but the guys know it's hard.

2010
01:33:56,732 --> 01:33:59,572
Speaker 18: The boys and girls, I say guys figuratively but we

2011
01:33:59,612 --> 01:34:01,333
Speaker 18: tell them what's going on. We tell them the truth.

2012
01:34:01,412 --> 01:34:03,372
Speaker 18: We're grunting, but we're going to dig in and we'll win.

2013
01:34:03,532 --> 01:34:05,692
Speaker 18: They're all Blacks are rebuilding, they're digging in. They will

2014
01:34:05,732 --> 01:34:08,293
Speaker 18: win again. We're just going to get them behind them.

2015
01:34:08,612 --> 01:34:08,932
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2016
01:34:10,013 --> 01:34:12,213
Speaker 2: And you deliver a speech, do you.

2017
01:34:12,173 --> 01:34:16,412
Speaker 18: Ben, Yeah, yeah, I do. That's probably the the weakest

2018
01:34:16,452 --> 01:34:18,772
Speaker 18: part of the afternoon. I'll finally get that there. And

2019
01:34:18,853 --> 01:34:23,412
Speaker 18: what Rendel's on, Yeah, but it's it's all taken in

2020
01:34:23,452 --> 01:34:26,372
Speaker 18: good hearts and yeah, and I heard about one of

2021
01:34:26,372 --> 01:34:29,652
Speaker 18: you guys up some kind of pole and man, that's fun.

2022
01:34:29,812 --> 01:34:31,532
Speaker 18: I think it's quite a good chance for the bosses

2023
01:34:31,572 --> 01:34:33,213
Speaker 18: to be very human and make a bit of a

2024
01:34:33,253 --> 01:34:35,093
Speaker 18: tit of themselves. Isn't a fair thing at the end

2025
01:34:35,093 --> 01:34:38,412
Speaker 18: of the day. On the same side, Yeah.

2026
01:34:37,973 --> 01:34:39,852
Speaker 2: And the thing, you know, I'm getting a bit of

2027
01:34:39,893 --> 01:34:41,812
Speaker 2: a stick for being on this pole, but I've only

2028
01:34:41,853 --> 01:34:42,852
Speaker 2: had a couple of drinks.

2029
01:34:43,692 --> 01:34:45,173
Speaker 3: You're a middle of the pack at the stage. Well,

2030
01:34:45,372 --> 01:34:45,652
Speaker 3: but the.

2031
01:34:45,572 --> 01:34:47,412
Speaker 2: Point was that it was the poll was there. It

2032
01:34:47,452 --> 01:34:49,173
Speaker 2: was kind of like a Sir Redmond Hillary.

2033
01:34:48,853 --> 01:34:52,412
Speaker 18: Thing, knock the baker off.

2034
01:34:52,572 --> 01:34:54,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.

2035
01:34:54,973 --> 01:34:57,692
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks so much, Ben, And it sounds like you've

2036
01:34:57,692 --> 01:35:00,093
Speaker 2: got You've got a great group of people with you

2037
01:35:00,173 --> 01:35:02,053
Speaker 2: and you and you sound like a fantastic leader. So

2038
01:35:02,213 --> 01:35:04,732
Speaker 2: everyone involves very lucky to be in a part of

2039
01:35:04,772 --> 01:35:07,732
Speaker 2: your organization. So well done, mate, Yeah, get on it.

2040
01:35:07,732 --> 01:35:08,253
Speaker 18: We're the lucky.

2041
01:35:08,812 --> 01:35:11,532
Speaker 3: Good on you being what a great boss. Good text

2042
01:35:11,572 --> 01:35:14,053
Speaker 3: to you Yiday guys. And an old company I worked for,

2043
01:35:14,093 --> 01:35:17,293
Speaker 3: the exmist party was on the company boat. Nice one

2044
01:35:17,333 --> 01:35:21,692
Speaker 3: of the office ladies got so drunk that she soiled herself,

2045
01:35:22,013 --> 01:35:23,652
Speaker 3: and then the boss was so drunk he had to

2046
01:35:23,652 --> 01:35:26,333
Speaker 3: call a friend to get his other boat to come

2047
01:35:26,372 --> 01:35:28,932
Speaker 3: out and drive the main boat back to the marina.

2048
01:35:29,853 --> 01:35:32,053
Speaker 3: Miss those Christmas parties, there is a two party here.

2049
01:35:32,572 --> 01:35:34,452
Speaker 3: She did get her on overboard with two of the

2050
01:35:34,612 --> 01:35:37,293
Speaker 3: sober office ladies to clean herself off. Lucky they had

2051
01:35:37,293 --> 01:35:38,132
Speaker 3: to change your clothes.

2052
01:35:38,412 --> 01:35:40,532
Speaker 2: I think one of the rules, if we're looking at

2053
01:35:40,692 --> 01:35:44,492
Speaker 2: rules for Christmas parties from a personal responsibility perspective, because

2054
01:35:44,532 --> 01:35:48,412
Speaker 2: I think personally that your boss doesn't have your employer

2055
01:35:48,452 --> 01:35:51,132
Speaker 2: doesn't have to look after you, and you're an adult.

2056
01:35:51,213 --> 01:35:53,173
Speaker 2: Care Yeah, yeah, it's not a school trip, as I

2057
01:35:53,253 --> 01:35:55,652
Speaker 2: said before, but one of the things you've got to

2058
01:35:55,692 --> 01:35:58,133
Speaker 2: be careful is not to turn a victory into a loss.

2059
01:35:58,732 --> 01:36:00,973
Speaker 2: And this can happen, and I've seen it happen a

2060
01:36:01,013 --> 01:36:03,852
Speaker 2: number of times. So you've finished the year, you're feeling

2061
01:36:03,853 --> 01:36:06,652
Speaker 2: happy about what you've achieved, you've worked hard. You go

2062
01:36:06,692 --> 01:36:09,133
Speaker 2: to the Christmas party and in this case yourself. Yeah,

2063
01:36:09,173 --> 01:36:12,012
Speaker 2: but there's many degrees on the spectrum from soiling yourself

2064
01:36:12,053 --> 01:36:14,532
Speaker 2: back to humiliating yourself on the way right, very true,

2065
01:36:14,572 --> 01:36:17,772
Speaker 2: And then you go into the Christmas holidays full of

2066
01:36:17,853 --> 01:36:20,372
Speaker 2: shame and stress that you behavior at the Christmas party,

2067
01:36:20,412 --> 01:36:22,572
Speaker 2: and that is an absolute own goal and you need

2068
01:36:22,612 --> 01:36:25,452
Speaker 2: to avoid that from a personal responsibility. And this is

2069
01:36:25,492 --> 01:36:27,892
Speaker 2: coming from someone who's done that before, going into the

2070
01:36:27,893 --> 01:36:32,172
Speaker 2: holidays going oh my god and feeling like a total

2071
01:36:32,452 --> 01:36:36,213
Speaker 2: loser and you've turned a victory into a loss. And

2072
01:36:36,253 --> 01:36:38,333
Speaker 2: so you've got to make sure that the Christmas party

2073
01:36:38,372 --> 01:36:41,572
Speaker 2: is a positive experience where good things happen for you

2074
01:36:42,133 --> 01:36:44,213
Speaker 2: and you get to say the right things to the

2075
01:36:44,213 --> 01:36:46,852
Speaker 2: people around you and celebrate with you, not become a

2076
01:36:46,893 --> 01:36:50,293
Speaker 2: liability for other people, and not go into the holidays

2077
01:36:50,293 --> 01:36:50,892
Speaker 2: hating yourself.

2078
01:36:50,893 --> 01:36:52,253
Speaker 3: You've got it. You're not a high. That's a good

2079
01:36:52,293 --> 01:36:55,093
Speaker 3: per say, right, A headline's coming up, but taking more

2080
01:36:55,093 --> 01:36:57,612
Speaker 3: of your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2081
01:36:57,652 --> 01:36:59,692
Speaker 3: the Christmas party? What are you doing? And we're keen

2082
01:36:59,732 --> 01:37:01,572
Speaker 3: to hear about those Christmas parties that win a bit

2083
01:37:01,652 --> 01:37:03,932
Speaker 3: wild back in the day. It is bang on hup

2084
01:37:04,013 --> 01:37:04,612
Speaker 3: us three.

2085
01:37:06,732 --> 01:37:09,213
Speaker 1: Us talk sa'd be headline with.

2086
01:37:09,253 --> 01:37:12,372
Speaker 8: Blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2087
01:37:12,933 --> 01:37:17,572
Speaker 8: The Conservation Minister says a reclassification means more than three

2088
01:37:17,652 --> 01:37:21,692
Speaker 8: hundred thousand hectares of West Coast stewardship land will be

2089
01:37:21,772 --> 01:37:26,213
Speaker 8: designated specially protected areas. He says more than one hundred

2090
01:37:26,253 --> 01:37:29,333
Speaker 8: and ninety thousand hectares will now be protected under the

2091
01:37:29,372 --> 01:37:33,293
Speaker 8: Reserves Act. A severe thunderstorm watch has been issued until

2092
01:37:33,372 --> 01:37:37,853
Speaker 8: nine tonight for Canterbury south of Rangitata River, North Otago,

2093
01:37:37,933 --> 01:37:42,732
Speaker 8: Dunedin and northern Kluther. Vehicles will again be allowed access

2094
01:37:42,732 --> 01:37:47,452
Speaker 8: to Munuwitthu's Waikawa Beach south of Levin through a new route,

2095
01:37:47,732 --> 01:37:52,013
Speaker 8: ending a year long argument over crossing private land. The

2096
01:37:52,053 --> 01:37:55,373
Speaker 8: southern end of Stuart Duff Drive is closed at Wellington

2097
01:37:55,412 --> 01:37:58,172
Speaker 8: Airport because of a fire at the more Point Inlet

2098
01:37:58,293 --> 01:38:03,292
Speaker 8: pumping station. Motorists should use the other entrance. The surveillance

2099
01:38:03,333 --> 01:38:06,412
Speaker 8: zone for yellow legged hornets on Auckland's north shore is

2100
01:38:06,452 --> 01:38:10,892
Speaker 8: being widened to an eleven kilometer radius. It stretches between

2101
01:38:10,933 --> 01:38:13,973
Speaker 8: Redvale and the north Avondale and the south nearly to

2102
01:38:14,093 --> 01:38:18,852
Speaker 8: Kumiu in the west and east Turrangitotou Island. How to

2103
01:38:18,933 --> 01:38:22,732
Speaker 8: say no to a social invitation and why it won't

2104
01:38:22,812 --> 01:38:25,333
Speaker 8: ruin your life. You can see the full story at

2105
01:38:25,492 --> 01:38:28,652
Speaker 8: Zaid Herald Premium mac Nata matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2106
01:38:28,692 --> 01:38:31,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty seven to form.

2107
01:38:31,372 --> 01:38:33,452
Speaker 3: We're talking about Christmas parties on the back of an

2108
01:38:33,532 --> 01:38:36,452
Speaker 3: article which says a lot of Kiwi companies are just

2109
01:38:36,492 --> 01:38:38,732
Speaker 3: not doing them this year, or if they are doing them,

2110
01:38:38,853 --> 01:38:41,692
Speaker 3: there's no booze that during the daytime and it's just

2111
01:38:41,732 --> 01:38:43,133
Speaker 3: a bit weak source. So I'd love to hear what

2112
01:38:43,133 --> 01:38:43,452
Speaker 3: you're doing.

2113
01:38:43,492 --> 01:38:43,652
Speaker 1: O e.

2114
01:38:43,652 --> 01:38:44,652
Speaker 3: One hundred and eight ten eighty.

2115
01:38:44,692 --> 01:38:47,133
Speaker 2: Are there any companies out there in New Zealand doing

2116
01:38:47,133 --> 01:38:49,732
Speaker 2: the full wall for Wall Street end of year type

2117
01:38:49,812 --> 01:38:51,732
Speaker 2: parties or have they all gone the way of the Dodo.

2118
01:38:52,412 --> 01:38:54,972
Speaker 3: I mean they were pretty wild. There was a lot

2119
01:38:54,973 --> 01:38:55,452
Speaker 3: going on.

2120
01:38:55,452 --> 01:38:57,452
Speaker 2: Great movie, but there was a lot going on in

2121
01:38:57,492 --> 01:38:58,732
Speaker 2: those four full Wall Street parties.

2122
01:38:58,812 --> 01:39:00,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were throwing around human beings and doing all

2123
01:39:00,853 --> 01:39:02,053
Speaker 3: sorts of stuff. Look oh good fun.

2124
01:39:02,053 --> 01:39:03,732
Speaker 2: I had to quit my job and was leaving before

2125
01:39:03,772 --> 01:39:05,452
Speaker 2: the end of the year. Had decided I wanted to

2126
01:39:05,492 --> 01:39:08,013
Speaker 2: go to a restaurant for a going away party. My

2127
01:39:08,053 --> 01:39:10,852
Speaker 2: boss said he'd pay a coworker to make food instead,

2128
01:39:10,973 --> 01:39:13,932
Speaker 2: as she had been out with an injury and needed

2129
01:39:13,933 --> 01:39:16,372
Speaker 2: some extra cash. I agreed. Then on the day he goes,

2130
01:39:16,412 --> 01:39:19,253
Speaker 2: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. I hope you joined

2131
01:39:19,253 --> 01:39:19,932
Speaker 2: the Christmas pudy.

2132
01:39:20,093 --> 01:39:22,732
Speaker 3: Oh that's nice. That's a good one. Here as well,

2133
01:39:22,732 --> 01:39:24,852
Speaker 3: get a Matt and Tyler. We had a Christmas party

2134
01:39:25,093 --> 01:39:27,253
Speaker 3: on an island in the Hodaky Gulf. One of the

2135
01:39:27,293 --> 01:39:30,612
Speaker 3: top executives got so drunk and wanted some weeds, so

2136
01:39:30,652 --> 01:39:33,053
Speaker 3: she threatened one of the staff who she knew had

2137
01:39:33,093 --> 01:39:36,012
Speaker 3: some to give her some or they would lose their job.

2138
01:39:36,333 --> 01:39:38,572
Speaker 3: She ended up losing her job and was helicopter at home.

2139
01:39:38,612 --> 01:39:39,132
Speaker 3: True story.

2140
01:39:39,652 --> 01:39:42,012
Speaker 2: That is turning a victory into a loss.

2141
01:39:42,053 --> 01:39:45,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, that executive had everything going for her, just because

2142
01:39:45,293 --> 01:39:47,492
Speaker 3: she wanted a little bit of weed, it all fell apart.

2143
01:39:48,452 --> 01:39:49,333
Speaker 2: Yvonne Welcome to.

2144
01:39:49,333 --> 01:39:54,932
Speaker 7: The show Hi, Mine is more a history once all

2145
01:39:54,973 --> 01:39:57,333
Speaker 7: the Christmas parties I have been to over my years

2146
01:39:57,333 --> 01:40:00,612
Speaker 7: of work and have been where the staff put towards

2147
01:40:00,612 --> 01:40:03,013
Speaker 7: a Christmas sun and fay to the food and a

2148
01:40:03,053 --> 01:40:05,973
Speaker 7: little bit of booze. Never been so much out of

2149
01:40:06,013 --> 01:40:10,293
Speaker 7: the top except for my first one sixteen seventeen. I

2150
01:40:10,333 --> 01:40:12,412
Speaker 7: had been paying in for nearly twelve months to the

2151
01:40:12,492 --> 01:40:16,732
Speaker 7: Christmas fund. Got told on the night, sorry, you can't come,

2152
01:40:16,973 --> 01:40:21,052
Speaker 7: you're too young to drink a lot of my money back, sorry,

2153
01:40:21,213 --> 01:40:24,852
Speaker 7: we've spent it. So they thought about it. They thought

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01:40:24,853 --> 01:40:26,492
Speaker 7: about it for about an hour and they said, well,

2155
01:40:27,213 --> 01:40:29,892
Speaker 7: you've got a responsible adult here who will take you home.

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01:40:30,333 --> 01:40:33,652
Speaker 7: Except responsible adult became my husband. He's only two years

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01:40:33,692 --> 01:40:36,652
Speaker 7: older than me at the time anyway, but he took

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01:40:36,692 --> 01:40:38,932
Speaker 7: me out the tea. We had some vodka with fried

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01:40:39,053 --> 01:40:42,133
Speaker 7: chicken and super tea. Went back to work. Did be

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01:40:42,213 --> 01:40:44,173
Speaker 7: our work that we did in the sub office. It

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01:40:44,293 --> 01:40:47,532
Speaker 7: was a sub office post office in the Wellington area,

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01:40:47,612 --> 01:40:50,852
Speaker 7: and at the close of night eight o'clock, we started drinking,

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01:40:51,173 --> 01:40:54,173
Speaker 7: so I shared. They decided by then I couldn't drink.

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01:40:54,933 --> 01:40:58,532
Speaker 7: But the story finishes when I walked out to go

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01:40:58,652 --> 01:41:01,093
Speaker 7: home with the boyfriend, and I walked out a little

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01:41:01,093 --> 01:41:03,412
Speaker 7: bit before him. He deterred to the toilet, I think,

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01:41:03,933 --> 01:41:07,293
Speaker 7: and one of the supervisors came up behind me. Didn't

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01:41:07,333 --> 01:41:09,692
Speaker 7: realize that it was a supervisors in the car park.

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01:41:10,053 --> 01:41:13,452
Speaker 7: I swung around and clopped him a buke, flattened.

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Speaker 15: Him on the ground.

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01:41:13,853 --> 01:41:17,892
Speaker 7: He punched out, he was going to have a guar

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01:41:17,933 --> 01:41:20,413
Speaker 7: at me when he came through that. The other supervisor

2173
01:41:20,492 --> 01:41:22,852
Speaker 7: had seen him come up behind me and saw what happened.

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01:41:23,772 --> 01:41:26,053
Speaker 7: That supervisor and I never really got on very well

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01:41:26,053 --> 01:41:26,372
Speaker 7: after that.

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01:41:26,532 --> 01:41:29,213
Speaker 2: And so he just when he came up behind you,

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01:41:29,572 --> 01:41:31,492
Speaker 2: did he give you a fright or did he? Did

2178
01:41:31,492 --> 01:41:38,492
Speaker 2: he you know, handy on you for clocking him.

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01:41:38,532 --> 01:41:41,612
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's that's why, to a degree, I have

2180
01:41:41,853 --> 01:41:45,933
Speaker 7: a really drawn this attitude. The sexual harassment in the

2181
01:41:45,933 --> 01:41:49,293
Speaker 7: workplace can be dealt with immediately. That was my auntswer to.

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01:41:50,772 --> 01:41:54,492
Speaker 3: Arrestment clearly had a good left hook of von Yeah.

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01:41:55,893 --> 01:41:58,852
Speaker 7: But on all the parties we've had to have been

2184
01:41:58,893 --> 01:42:02,093
Speaker 7: on business premises, we've actually accounted for the fact that

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01:42:02,133 --> 01:42:05,853
Speaker 7: we're adults and we are accountable for our own behavior

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01:42:06,933 --> 01:42:10,213
Speaker 7: in the situation that is driving this article. What happens

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01:42:10,253 --> 01:42:12,253
Speaker 7: if the boss decides to call it quips and go

2188
01:42:12,333 --> 01:42:15,053
Speaker 7: home a bit early, he's not even there and the

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01:42:15,253 --> 01:42:18,772
Speaker 7: staff carry on having her party. And I've seen those situations,

2190
01:42:19,173 --> 01:42:24,532
Speaker 7: so I think it's crap the adults and Matte. Next

2191
01:42:24,532 --> 01:42:26,732
Speaker 7: time you do a poll, does take your blady simple

2192
01:42:26,933 --> 01:42:27,612
Speaker 7: letter t of you?

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01:42:28,053 --> 01:42:30,732
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, get amongst it there? What do you doing

2194
01:42:30,732 --> 01:42:33,452
Speaker 3: with the sea lion? Come on? So a bit of

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01:42:33,492 --> 01:42:34,052
Speaker 3: skin brother?

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01:42:34,213 --> 01:42:36,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think I would have deserved to be

2197
01:42:37,253 --> 01:42:40,572
Speaker 2: cocked for that. Yeah, a great story.

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01:42:40,612 --> 01:42:42,293
Speaker 3: It is a great story. So she met her husband

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01:42:42,333 --> 01:42:44,053
Speaker 3: who was dropping her off. Then she clocked one of

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01:42:44,053 --> 01:42:48,732
Speaker 3: the executives. You're a great woman of fantastic right, Just

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01:42:48,732 --> 01:42:53,213
Speaker 3: one more text here, Kiday. Guys, we had way too

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01:42:53,213 --> 01:42:55,852
Speaker 3: many Brazilian women working for us who seemed to have

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01:42:55,853 --> 01:42:58,652
Speaker 3: a different moral code than us Kiwi's. At the Christmas

2204
01:42:58,652 --> 01:43:01,333
Speaker 3: party about three years back, we had a good time,

2205
01:43:01,372 --> 01:43:03,532
Speaker 3: but everyone ended up naked and the paw and sauna

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01:43:03,572 --> 01:43:06,052
Speaker 3: together work has never been the same again. So again,

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01:43:06,133 --> 01:43:09,532
Speaker 3: that's probably turning a victory into to defeat for some people.

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01:43:09,572 --> 01:43:10,772
Speaker 3: Some people might see that as a win.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I mean I would say, if you

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01:43:13,572 --> 01:43:15,492
Speaker 2: go to a Christmas party, and look, I don't think

2211
01:43:15,532 --> 01:43:18,492
Speaker 2: it's the bosses or employees, even if it's legislated such

2212
01:43:18,532 --> 01:43:20,452
Speaker 2: for them to look after you. And you're an adult,

2213
01:43:20,492 --> 01:43:22,772
Speaker 2: So stay in the middle of the pack, yep, and

2214
01:43:22,973 --> 01:43:27,852
Speaker 2: try not to turn a victory into a loss. Celebrate hard,

2215
01:43:28,333 --> 01:43:30,213
Speaker 2: but don't soil your pants.

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01:43:30,772 --> 01:43:32,372
Speaker 3: Great advice, that's my voice.

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01:43:32,652 --> 01:43:34,532
Speaker 2: Matt. You're on the poll because we all just want

2218
01:43:34,572 --> 01:43:37,092
Speaker 2: to be big rock stars, live in hilltop houses, driving

2219
01:43:37,093 --> 01:43:40,372
Speaker 2: fifteen cars. Cheers tone. That's a nickelback lerrick, isn't.

2220
01:43:40,253 --> 01:43:42,813
Speaker 3: It as we all want to be big rock stars.

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01:43:44,053 --> 01:43:47,572
Speaker 2: Great reference, there's but I prefer in terms of songs

2222
01:43:47,853 --> 01:43:52,292
Speaker 2: rock star songs, the Cyperus Hill song that's you know, yeah,

2223
01:43:52,293 --> 01:43:54,173
Speaker 2: that's the one that says, so we want to be

2224
01:43:54,612 --> 01:43:58,572
Speaker 2: max stars, live large, big house, five cars, You're in charge,

2225
01:43:58,652 --> 01:44:01,092
Speaker 2: coming up in the world. Don't trust nor buddy, gotta

2226
01:44:01,093 --> 01:44:02,733
Speaker 2: look over your shoulder constantly.

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01:44:03,013 --> 01:44:06,492
Speaker 3: Chune. Yeah, that's well done. Right, great discussion. Thank you

2228
01:44:06,572 --> 01:44:08,852
Speaker 3: very much to everyone who called antiques on that one.

2229
01:44:08,893 --> 01:44:12,652
Speaker 3: Coming up after we play some messages. Fascinating story that

2230
01:44:12,732 --> 01:44:15,333
Speaker 3: you spied Matt's and the Herald today and I'll just

2231
01:44:15,452 --> 01:44:19,852
Speaker 3: read out the headline sterilization boost life span across one

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01:44:19,933 --> 01:44:21,533
Speaker 3: hundred and seventeen species.

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01:44:22,053 --> 01:44:25,293
Speaker 2: Yes, so the question is being asked is would you

2234
01:44:25,372 --> 01:44:27,213
Speaker 2: live longer if you were castrated?

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01:44:27,372 --> 01:44:29,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to chat to the lead author on

2236
01:44:29,333 --> 01:44:31,812
Speaker 3: that study next. His name is Mike Garrett. It's a

2237
01:44:31,853 --> 01:44:33,812
Speaker 3: stay tuned for that. It is twenty one to four.

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01:44:34,133 --> 01:44:38,732
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

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01:44:38,772 --> 01:44:42,893
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk, say'd.

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Speaker 3: Be very good afternoons to It is eighteen to four.

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01:44:45,572 --> 01:44:48,612
Speaker 3: So this is fascinating. A University of a Targo study

2242
01:44:48,812 --> 01:44:51,812
Speaker 3: found that sterilization boosts life span across one hundred and

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01:44:51,853 --> 01:44:56,132
Speaker 3: seventeen species. The major international study has found that blocking

2244
01:44:56,133 --> 01:45:00,652
Speaker 3: reproduction increases lifespan in both males and females across that

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01:45:00,732 --> 01:45:03,972
Speaker 3: wide range of species. The lead author is Associate Professor

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01:45:04,093 --> 01:45:07,333
Speaker 3: Mike Garrett of A. Targo's School of Biomedical Sciences, and

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01:45:07,412 --> 01:45:10,212
Speaker 3: he joins us on the phone. Now, very good afternoon

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01:45:10,253 --> 01:45:10,652
Speaker 3: to you, Mike.

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01:45:11,692 --> 01:45:12,412
Speaker 5: Hi, how's it going?

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Speaker 2: And good things? So could you explain to me, like

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01:45:14,532 --> 01:45:18,652
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot, why stopping reproduction makes animals live longer?

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01:45:19,933 --> 01:45:24,692
Speaker 5: Well, reproduction is costly, it has energetic costs for example,

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01:45:24,812 --> 01:45:28,812
Speaker 5: and when we inhibit those, it can help animals invest

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01:45:28,893 --> 01:45:31,452
Speaker 5: in other process for example looking after their immune system,

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01:45:31,772 --> 01:45:33,293
Speaker 5: and this can improve survival.

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01:45:34,333 --> 01:45:37,892
Speaker 2: Could it be a risky behavior thing because you know

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01:45:37,933 --> 01:45:41,932
Speaker 2: when the you know on that is that it reduces

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01:45:42,013 --> 01:45:45,572
Speaker 2: risky behavior rather than some sort of deep biological aging effeete.

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01:45:46,893 --> 01:45:48,532
Speaker 5: So there are a couple of different things that we

2260
01:45:48,572 --> 01:45:51,293
Speaker 5: show in this article. In the context of males, we

2261
01:45:51,412 --> 01:45:55,333
Speaker 5: show that castration extends live span and in part, yes,

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01:45:56,133 --> 01:45:58,133
Speaker 5: part of the reason they live longer is they're less

2263
01:45:58,213 --> 01:46:02,133
Speaker 5: likely to engage in risky behaviors. Although in other contexts

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01:46:02,133 --> 01:46:05,293
Speaker 5: where we've looked at effects of castration, for example in

2265
01:46:05,452 --> 01:46:09,013
Speaker 5: lab animals, you also see improvement in us improvement in

2266
01:46:09,133 --> 01:46:12,532
Speaker 5: other aspects of health. So yes, in part, it can

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01:46:12,572 --> 01:46:16,293
Speaker 5: improve survival because it reduces investment in risky behaviors, but

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01:46:16,372 --> 01:46:19,652
Speaker 5: it also provides other benefits late in life as well,

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01:46:19,812 --> 01:46:22,492
Speaker 5: at least in the animals that have been that's been studied.

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01:46:22,772 --> 01:46:25,213
Speaker 2: And how long are life spend gains that we're talking

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01:46:25,293 --> 01:46:27,093
Speaker 2: what teen twenty percent? How long is it?

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01:46:27,893 --> 01:46:31,052
Speaker 5: Yeah, across the studies, across the species that we looked,

2273
01:46:31,053 --> 01:46:33,172
Speaker 5: So you know, we looked at over one hundred different species,

2274
01:46:33,173 --> 01:46:35,972
Speaker 5: we found an average increase in life span of about

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01:46:36,013 --> 01:46:41,012
Speaker 5: ten percent. Those effects were stronger, partiguingly in the context

2276
01:46:41,013 --> 01:46:44,012
Speaker 5: of castration if animals were castrated early in life, before

2277
01:46:44,053 --> 01:46:46,772
Speaker 5: they went through puberty. So in those contexts we found

2278
01:46:46,812 --> 01:46:49,333
Speaker 5: an average increase in lifespan that was greater, more like

2279
01:46:49,372 --> 01:46:51,612
Speaker 5: fifteen to twenty percent, depending on the species.

2280
01:46:52,213 --> 01:46:53,892
Speaker 2: Now, I was thinking about this when I was walking

2281
01:46:53,973 --> 01:46:56,492
Speaker 2: my dog Colin the other day, and you know, he's

2282
01:46:56,732 --> 01:47:01,652
Speaker 2: he's castrated, and he seems pretty pretty happy in his life.

2283
01:47:01,652 --> 01:47:04,612
Speaker 2: But part of me feels a bit said, because you know,

2284
01:47:04,652 --> 01:47:06,572
Speaker 2: that's the end of his line and he's such a

2285
01:47:07,612 --> 01:47:09,772
Speaker 2: great dog. But it made me think as well, as

2286
01:47:09,812 --> 01:47:13,093
Speaker 2: he happier because he has been fixed, or is he

2287
01:47:13,133 --> 01:47:15,013
Speaker 2: still part of them that feels like he's missing out

2288
01:47:15,053 --> 01:47:19,693
Speaker 2: on something you know, deep in his you know instincts.

2289
01:47:20,772 --> 01:47:23,173
Speaker 5: Well, it's an interesting question, I think. If we're talking

2290
01:47:23,173 --> 01:47:25,372
Speaker 5: at so, you seem to be focusing on the castration

2291
01:47:25,492 --> 01:47:29,013
Speaker 5: component here. You know, once you're castrated, you don't have

2292
01:47:29,053 --> 01:47:32,133
Speaker 5: the same drive to reproduce. So actually you probably are

2293
01:47:32,213 --> 01:47:35,412
Speaker 5: happier if you're not castrated, but you're kept in an

2294
01:47:35,492 --> 01:47:39,013
Speaker 5: environment where you can't reproduce. Yeah, that could also be stressful.

2295
01:47:39,053 --> 01:47:41,692
Speaker 5: So actually, in that situation, you know, you might have

2296
01:47:41,853 --> 01:47:44,532
Speaker 5: you be exposed to androgens. You've got this drive to reproduce,

2297
01:47:44,612 --> 01:47:47,213
Speaker 5: but that's not met with the actual reward of mating.

2298
01:47:47,372 --> 01:47:50,053
Speaker 5: So actually that could potentially be more stressful for the

2299
01:47:50,053 --> 01:47:54,133
Speaker 5: animal than actually being castrated. And then you don't necessarily

2300
01:47:54,173 --> 01:47:56,692
Speaker 5: need those reproductive opportunities or you don't want them.

2301
01:47:57,093 --> 01:47:58,972
Speaker 2: Now, the obvious question in the elephant in the room,

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01:47:59,013 --> 01:48:03,253
Speaker 2: I guess is should I castraight myself? Can you interpret

2303
01:48:03,492 --> 01:48:06,652
Speaker 2: anything meaningful around humans from the study or is that

2304
01:48:06,732 --> 01:48:07,452
Speaker 2: a bridge too far?

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01:48:08,452 --> 01:48:11,852
Speaker 5: Well, in our study, we did try to extrapolate some

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01:48:11,893 --> 01:48:14,053
Speaker 5: of our results to humans. There've been a couple of

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01:48:14,053 --> 01:48:18,492
Speaker 5: studies that have been conducted in on historical data sets

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01:48:18,532 --> 01:48:21,532
Speaker 5: where people have been castrated for various different reasons. There

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01:48:21,572 --> 01:48:23,812
Speaker 5: was a study on Korean unix from I think that

2310
01:48:23,973 --> 01:48:27,893
Speaker 5: the seventeenth eighteenth century. That data has been quite controversial.

2311
01:48:28,253 --> 01:48:30,732
Speaker 5: But the mean increase in life, as you would expect,

2312
01:48:30,812 --> 01:48:33,412
Speaker 5: but the mean increase in lifespan that was reported in

2313
01:48:33,452 --> 01:48:37,252
Speaker 5: those studies actually matches what we report in our studies.

2314
01:48:37,333 --> 01:48:39,852
Speaker 5: So you know, it's potential that these benefits might extend

2315
01:48:39,853 --> 01:48:43,492
Speaker 5: to humans. However, we also find in our study that

2316
01:48:43,572 --> 01:48:47,452
Speaker 5: the effects of sterilization and castration are stronger when you

2317
01:48:47,572 --> 01:48:51,293
Speaker 5: keep animals in wild environment where they have to, you know,

2318
01:48:51,333 --> 01:48:54,253
Speaker 5: invest heavily in different things. They don't have as many resources. Right,

2319
01:48:54,412 --> 01:48:56,333
Speaker 5: So I think actually the society that we live in

2320
01:48:56,732 --> 01:48:59,772
Speaker 5: means that probably we wouldn't necessarily get those benefits because

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01:48:59,812 --> 01:49:02,573
Speaker 5: we have really good healthcare. You know, we're largely protected

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01:49:02,572 --> 01:49:06,532
Speaker 5: from infectious disease. You know, we aren't exposed to the

2323
01:49:06,572 --> 01:49:09,973
Speaker 5: same level of mortality from risky behavior, from aggression, from

2324
01:49:10,053 --> 01:49:12,892
Speaker 5: things like that. So yeah, so don't go out and

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01:49:12,893 --> 01:49:13,532
Speaker 5: castrate yourself.

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01:49:15,093 --> 01:49:18,652
Speaker 2: I was sitting on the fience but leaving things they are.

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01:49:19,532 --> 01:49:22,652
Speaker 3: So when you look at vasik to mes Mike, it's

2328
01:49:22,652 --> 01:49:25,972
Speaker 3: obviously different to castration, and according to the study, there

2329
01:49:26,452 --> 01:49:29,532
Speaker 3: wasn't those same finding. So any human out there right

2330
01:49:29,532 --> 01:49:31,052
Speaker 3: now that's head of the seek to me and hoping

2331
01:49:31,093 --> 01:49:33,173
Speaker 3: to live a bit longer, it might not be that

2332
01:49:33,412 --> 01:49:33,972
Speaker 3: they're simple.

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01:49:35,452 --> 01:49:38,532
Speaker 5: Yes, that's right. So there's there's little data available in

2334
01:49:38,612 --> 01:49:42,452
Speaker 5: animals and definitely little experimental data. So the two in

2335
01:49:42,612 --> 01:49:44,732
Speaker 5: zoos and a lot of our analysis has conducted on

2336
01:49:44,853 --> 01:49:48,532
Speaker 5: zoo house species, so we were able to look retrospectively

2337
01:49:48,572 --> 01:49:50,652
Speaker 5: at zoo records. Now there are only a couple of

2338
01:49:50,652 --> 01:49:54,412
Speaker 5: species where they routinely do vasectomy rather castration. That's lions,

2339
01:49:54,452 --> 01:49:56,812
Speaker 5: because they want to maintain the lion's main and if

2340
01:49:56,853 --> 01:49:59,732
Speaker 5: you castraate then that goes away. Also, baboons, you know,

2341
01:49:59,772 --> 01:50:03,452
Speaker 5: they have this big kind of secondary sexual coloration, so

2342
01:50:03,492 --> 01:50:06,172
Speaker 5: to use theseectomy in those contexts, and in those contexts

2343
01:50:06,173 --> 01:50:09,213
Speaker 5: we see no effects on survival. There've also been a

2344
01:50:09,253 --> 01:50:11,812
Speaker 5: couple of laboratory studies of laboratory minds and there they

2345
01:50:11,853 --> 01:50:15,012
Speaker 5: also see no effect on survival. So evidence would suggest

2346
01:50:15,053 --> 01:50:17,893
Speaker 5: that it needs to be castration in the context of males.

2347
01:50:18,213 --> 01:50:21,333
Speaker 2: And what do you see and what do you see?

2348
01:50:21,333 --> 01:50:25,253
Speaker 2: As an ex big question this research opens up, what's

2349
01:50:25,253 --> 01:50:26,732
Speaker 2: the practical implications for this?

2350
01:50:27,893 --> 01:50:30,333
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we'd really like to understand the effects

2351
01:50:30,372 --> 01:50:32,692
Speaker 5: on the biology of aging, So what's actually happening, How

2352
01:50:32,692 --> 01:50:35,492
Speaker 5: does this occur? In particular, we found that the effects

2353
01:50:35,492 --> 01:50:38,572
Speaker 5: of castration are stronger when they occur before puberty, so

2354
01:50:38,612 --> 01:50:43,173
Speaker 5: there's something that must occur through puberty where testosterone has

2355
01:50:43,213 --> 01:50:45,972
Speaker 5: effects on the body. It potentially helps you to show

2356
01:50:46,093 --> 01:50:49,412
Speaker 5: kind of male specific growth, male specific behavior, but then

2357
01:50:49,492 --> 01:50:52,652
Speaker 5: reduces lifespan, and trying to understand the mechanisms of that,

2358
01:50:53,253 --> 01:50:56,293
Speaker 5: you know, how they interact with other pathways that influence aging.

2359
01:50:56,732 --> 01:51:00,253
Speaker 5: Other hormones might ultimately allow us to understand the aging

2360
01:51:00,293 --> 01:51:03,013
Speaker 5: process aging process better and you might be able to

2361
01:51:03,013 --> 01:51:05,733
Speaker 5: get the benefits of those things without castration.

2362
01:51:06,053 --> 01:51:07,892
Speaker 3: Interesting, So how would you do that? You know this

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Speaker 3: is hyper thetical, of course, but potentially talking about after

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Speaker 3: that puberty period, some sort of medication to balance out

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Speaker 3: testosterone levels to allow people to live a bit longer.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, I could try and go into a

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Speaker 5: little bit of detail with you, But there are other parts.

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Speaker 5: So we've said in our study that androgens testosterone influences

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Speaker 5: aging in males. There are other pathways that we also

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Speaker 5: know influence lifespan in animals, there's some other hormones like

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Speaker 5: growth hormone and some some proteins in cells that also

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Speaker 5: influence the aging process while at the same time helping

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Speaker 5: you grow. So there are other hormones that make you grow,

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Speaker 5: but may you have a short live span. We know that,

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Speaker 5: so androgens probably feed in to that pathway. How it

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Speaker 5: influences cells, influence aspects of stress resistance, but also influence

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Speaker 5: aspects of growth, and we can try to understand those

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Speaker 5: trade offs, those actual mechanisms, those things that go on

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Speaker 5: in cells that mean that the cells grow, but they're

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Speaker 5: less protected against stress, if that makes sense to me.

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Speaker 5: Really just trying to delve into the actual mechanisms at

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Speaker 5: the level of the south.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting one because I would say that my

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Speaker 2: kids have definitely aged me with worry, but they've also

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Speaker 2: added a lot of meaning and happiness to my life.

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Speaker 2: So I would say having my children, I may die earlier,

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Speaker 2: but my overall happiness will has been increased by them.

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Speaker 2: So it's definitely a trade off from a human perspective,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, how old are your children at the moment?

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Speaker 5: Minor four and six and they're definitely aging me, is

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Speaker 5: not It doesn't feel it quite as worthwhile at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, mine are teenagers and it's moved into the

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Speaker 2: pure happiness stage at this point.

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Speaker 3: I'll hold you for that. Yeah, Mike, you've been brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining us and having a chat.

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Speaker 3: It's fascinating research and we're interested to see where it goes.

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Speaker 5: Nice to speak to you.

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Speaker 3: That is Associate Professor Mike Garrett out of the Otago University.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff right beg very shortly. It is nine to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:53:14,812 --> 01:53:18,612
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used

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Speaker 1: Talk zed B.

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Speaker 3: News Talk zed B. It is seven to four. What

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01:53:23,772 --> 01:53:25,932
Speaker 3: a fascinating study and what a great man that associate

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01:53:25,933 --> 01:53:26,612
Speaker 3: professor was.

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Speaker 2: The sex says, don't do it, Matt, your voice will

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01:53:31,293 --> 01:53:33,213
Speaker 2: be even more annoying when you become a unitch.

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01:53:33,412 --> 01:53:35,452
Speaker 3: You were on the fence. So good to know that.

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01:53:35,652 --> 01:53:36,973
Speaker 3: You know, you just got to wait for a bit

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01:53:37,013 --> 01:53:40,293
Speaker 3: more research before the jury's out on longevity. But I

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01:53:40,293 --> 01:53:42,372
Speaker 3: think you made the point well that you know your

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01:53:42,452 --> 01:53:43,652
Speaker 3: kids have brought you a lot of joy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I think of anything. My voices

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01:53:46,772 --> 01:53:50,333
Speaker 2: is too deep and booming. Yep, Layton Smith ESK could

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01:53:50,333 --> 01:53:51,492
Speaker 2: go up allusing voice.

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01:53:51,532 --> 01:53:53,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think we're all going up a few pictures.

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01:53:53,973 --> 01:53:56,932
Speaker 2: I'm liring it for this one. I'm lirring it for

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01:53:56,933 --> 01:53:59,852
Speaker 2: this voice break to make my point. Yeah, this person says,

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01:53:59,893 --> 01:54:03,093
Speaker 2: this correlates strongly with what anyone who has worked with

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01:54:03,133 --> 01:54:06,132
Speaker 2: horses nose. We all know the old Goldings who spends

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01:54:06,173 --> 01:54:08,013
Speaker 2: most of his time snoozing in the corner of the

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Speaker 2: or paddock. Regards Stefan, mister happy happy operator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah very good. What a fascinating chats and what a

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01:54:16,612 --> 01:54:17,492
Speaker 3: fantastic show.

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01:54:18,053 --> 01:54:20,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for listening everyone. As always,

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01:54:20,333 --> 01:54:23,092
Speaker 2: we've loved your calls on one hundred eighty ten eighty

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01:54:23,133 --> 01:54:26,372
Speaker 2: and nine to nine two. The podcast will be out

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01:54:26,412 --> 01:54:31,093
Speaker 2: in about an hour or so. The impressive specimen that

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01:54:31,173 --> 01:54:35,092
Speaker 2: is Ryan Bridges in for Heather Duples see Ellen up next.

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01:54:36,053 --> 01:54:40,613
Speaker 2: But right now, Tiles, yes, tell me why am I

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01:54:40,772 --> 01:54:43,892
Speaker 2: playing this absolute banger from Dave Dobbin.

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01:54:45,573 --> 01:54:47,373
Speaker 3: Dave Dobbin, What a beautiful song and you're making it

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01:54:47,373 --> 01:54:50,012
Speaker 3: easy for me lately. It's called welcome Home, of course,

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01:54:50,772 --> 01:54:52,932
Speaker 3: and it must be because we had that wonderful chat

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01:54:53,013 --> 01:54:56,093
Speaker 3: about the brain drain, so called brain drain starting to

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01:54:56,093 --> 01:54:59,173
Speaker 3: reverse and all these beautiful, wonderful Kiwis are coming home.

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01:54:59,253 --> 01:55:04,212
Speaker 2: That's right, twenty six thousand Kiwi citizen's returned to New Zealand.

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01:55:04,253 --> 01:55:08,533
Speaker 2: The brain drain is starting to wayne. All right, thank

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01:55:08,573 --> 01:55:11,092
Speaker 2: you so much for listening. As I see it until

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01:55:11,133 --> 01:55:14,773
Speaker 2: tomorrow afternoon, give a taste of Kiwi from Tyler and I.

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01:55:14,533 --> 01:55:18,413
Speaker 3: Love You with a hot swat over.

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01:55:22,413 --> 01:55:27,333
Speaker 19: He's been coming up, he's been combing up. He's been

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01:55:27,413 --> 01:55:39,812
Speaker 19: choming up, he's been cutting up. There's a woman with

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01:55:39,973 --> 01:55:42,213
Speaker 19: her hands trembling.

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01:55:44,173 --> 01:55:48,413
Speaker 1: And she sings with.

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01:55:48,533 --> 01:55:50,613
Speaker 2: The mountain and every.

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01:55:55,733 --> 01:56:02,092
Speaker 19: There's a climb for Ayesi, just flying chase with the side.

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01:56:04,333 --> 01:56:07,413
Speaker 1: And it's blacking, it's watten, it's wild.

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Speaker 5: Colors are.

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01:56:13,093 --> 01:56:18,013
Speaker 8: So where did you?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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01:56:20,133 --> 01:56:20,973
Speaker 17: You welcome?

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01:56:23,853 --> 01:56:28,772
Speaker 1: Don't see how there in the space for you? Now?

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Speaker 8: Where from.

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01:56:42,333 --> 01:56:42,573
Speaker 3: From?

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