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Speaker 1: On another subject, the Chief Onboodsman has named in shame

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Speaker 1: two schools for failing to act fairly when children face

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Speaker 1: either disciplinary action or you know, have decisions on enrollment

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Speaker 1: ahead of them. Saint Peter's College board has excluded a

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Speaker 1: student for buying and smoking marijuana, and Kashmir High School

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Speaker 1: had declined enrollment for an out of school out of

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Speaker 1: his own student but didn't explain it well enough to

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Speaker 1: the parents. Now the Onmboodsman is threatening that he might

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Speaker 1: actually get the government involved of this. Chief Onwardsman Peter

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Speaker 1: bowches with us. Now, hey, Peter, good afternoon. Here that okay,

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Speaker 1: on Saint Peter's is the problem that they kicked the

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Speaker 1: keeping around it?

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Speaker 2: Can I say this by way of introducing this to

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Speaker 2: you here? What is that the outset I acknowledged the

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Speaker 2: importance of school boards of trustees and that they are

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Speaker 2: off on parents and volunteers, but the work they do

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Speaker 2: is incredibly important. When they exercise a disciplinary function for

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Speaker 2: children and children's parents, you know, the results can can

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Speaker 2: be life long and so here I was critical actually

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Speaker 2: at both boards of trustees. But in relation to Saint

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Speaker 2: Peter's You know what most irritated me. We endeavored to engage,

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Speaker 2: We endeavored to suggest a way through where we could

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Speaker 2: resolve this, and they simply would not do so. And

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I felt that if

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Speaker 2: people are going to say, of the ombitsmen, you don't matter,

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Speaker 2: We'll do what we want. I just don't think that's

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Speaker 2: good enough, and I don't think New Zealanders think I

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Speaker 2: should accept it.

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Speaker 1: No fair enough. So they wouldn't communicate with you at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, they would that they refuse to engage and give

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Speaker 2: any good reason why they wouldn't adopt my recommendation. So, look,

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Speaker 2: we go through a process of investigating, We form a view,

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Speaker 2: we give people a chance to comment, and if it's

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Speaker 2: a really good, potent comment, then we take it into account.

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Speaker 2: You can often reform that our view. They just wouldn't

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Speaker 2: give any good reason and just essentially from their nose

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Speaker 1: What was your recommendation?

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Speaker 2: Well, in that case there it was mostly in relation

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Speaker 2: to their form of communication, which we felt was this

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Speaker 2: is to the parents, which was just not on. We

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Speaker 2: recommended that they apologize for all of the inadequacies in

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Speaker 2: the way they went about it. We recommended that the

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Speaker 2: student's disciplinary record be amended and have something attached to it.

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Speaker 2: And then we said that a board, when it's doing

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Speaker 2: a decision like this should have a clear process, should

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Speaker 2: articulate it and abide by it so that it won't

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Speaker 2: have again in the future. We didn't interfere with its

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Speaker 2: decision to exclude. What we said was you've got to

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Speaker 2: let parents know what you're doing and why.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, okay, and Kashmi high same problem. Not

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Speaker 1: enough communication with the parents.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I just don't know what's so wrong worth

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Speaker 2: failing to apologize. It's not that difficult. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I find in this job what most people really want

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Speaker 2: us to have their manner restored. And I think if

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Speaker 2: the schools have apologized, we wouldn't be talking on the

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Speaker 2: radio right now. And what we're wanting to do with

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Speaker 2: this is not just the punitive but set up. Why

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Speaker 2: don't so they get it right for the future.

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Speaker 1: Peter, thank you very much, really appreciate it. That's Peter Bosher,

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Speaker 1: who is the chief on Boodsman now s. Peter's College

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Speaker 1: agreed to two of the recommendations, but the board will

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Speaker 1: not apologize for excluding the student and the headmaster, James Bentley.

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Speaker 3: Is with us. Now, Hey James, good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you apologize?

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Speaker 3: Well, basically, the board belizer made the right decision, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that it was a serious matter, and so they made

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Speaker 3: the decision that they would continue to agree to the exclusion.

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Speaker 1: What about okay, and what about what Peter was saying

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Speaker 1: that you guys basically thumbed your nose at his recommendations.

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Speaker 3: Can I just go back a little bit on that.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit surprised at what he said. We

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Speaker 3: didn't engage. We've spent this happened two years ago, and

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Speaker 3: we spent two years engaging with the on boodsman, and

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Speaker 3: it's been back and forward for two years. We certainly

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Speaker 3: explained our reasons for why we wouldn't apologize. And look,

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Speaker 3: can I just say, look, we understand that there are

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Speaker 3: some people in society who don't see marijuana as in

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Speaker 3: schools as a big deal these days. But our Barder trustees,

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Speaker 3: who represents our community, they saw it as a serious

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Speaker 1: And did you communicate with the parents properly?

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Speaker 3: We believe we did. Yes, we did we believe we did.

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Speaker 1: What did you do that the onwardsman reckons you didn't do.

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Speaker 3: One of the things he said was that in our

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Speaker 3: decision making process we were to keep more accurate notes.

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Speaker 3: The board was to keep more accurate notes in their

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Speaker 3: liberations and be able to present that to him so

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Speaker 3: that he could see that the board actually went through

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Speaker 3: all the different options that were available to them. The

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Speaker 3: board did do that, but his belief was that the

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Speaker 3: notes weren't as detailed. We complied with that, and the

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Speaker 3: other thing which he asked for was for the decision

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Speaker 3: to be attached to the student's file, So we did

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Speaker 3: comply with that. So those two we did agree with.

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Speaker 3: But the board said that they would not be apologizing

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Speaker 3: to the parents.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a reasonably big deal for Peter

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Speaker 1: Bosher to have named and shamed you guys. What do

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Speaker 1: you think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're a little bit surprised, and you know, marijuana

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Speaker 3: buying and using as a legal activity, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I hold the view as many schools do, if not

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Speaker 3: all schools that had no place in our schools, and

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Speaker 3: we would have hoped that the Ombudsmudel have supported us

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Speaker 3: on this, but unfortunately he took a different approach.

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Speaker 1: James, thank you very much for having a chat to us.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. James Bentley's and Peter's College headmaster.

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