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Speaker 1: Now to the show of unity between Labor and the

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Speaker 1: Greens today. The pair of them teamed up to hold

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Speaker 1: a news conference in White Toungey this afternoon to demonstrate

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Speaker 1: that they can work together. And of course, the co

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Speaker 1: leader of the Greens is Chloe Swarbrick. Who's with us? Now, Hi,

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Speaker 1: Chloe Calder, how are you. I'm very well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're trying to do here by holding

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Speaker 1: the press conference, but holding a press conference is hardly

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Speaker 1: proof that you guys can work together, is it.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I totally take your point. But we're at

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Speaker 2: Waite Toungy, which is typically considered the start of the

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Speaker 2: political year, and this was a moment in which we

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Speaker 2: were able to say, hey, look we robbyc two independent,

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Speaker 2: different political parties. There's a reason that I can tell

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Speaker 2: you that I'm in the Green Partty. It's because of

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Speaker 2: our values and our evidence based, common sense policies. But

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of things that we can work

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Speaker 2: together on and we'll stand fide by side and we'll

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Speaker 2: answer questions about that and be accountable to the people

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Speaker 2: of this country on exactly that too.

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Speaker 1: Did I read it right watching the press conference that

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Speaker 1: you and Madama were a little uncomfortable about the fact

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Speaker 1: that Labor had vetoed the Maori Party being there.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. When we were planning this, which

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Speaker 2: only came together in the last few days, it was

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Speaker 2: all about what's an opportunity for us just to stand

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Speaker 2: together and make it clear where our alignment is.

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Speaker 1: Would you have included the Maori Party today?

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Speaker 2: I didn't have anything to do with the planning of it.

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Speaker 2: Behind the scenes. It was discussions between both of our

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Speaker 2: chiefs of stuff if I am and I have had

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Speaker 2: conversations with t Party Mary as has Martima and all

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Speaker 2: of our MP's as well, both those Mariya Minor and

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Speaker 2: also Tarkuta, but also obviously the co Letterers really Debbie

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Speaker 2: and Arwity. So yeah, look what we were looking at

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Speaker 2: showing is just effectively that Labor and the Greens have

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Speaker 2: worked together in the past and we can work together

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Speaker 2: in the future. But I can tell you loud and

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Speaker 2: clear that we also have a functioning relationship with Party Mahti,

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Speaker 2: and we've also been clear. But obviously they have a

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Speaker 2: few things to work out themselves.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is there any is there any realistic chance that

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Speaker 1: they are go if you were to get anywhere near

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Speaker 1: government at the selection, would you really include them? Is

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Speaker 1: there a chance that they would be included?

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Speaker 2: Look, I think this is why it's really important that

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Speaker 2: we will kind of take a step back ten months

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Speaker 2: that every single possible potential future for our country is

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Speaker 2: going to be on the table and New Zealanders are

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Speaker 2: going to be paying attention. That is a really exciting

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Speaker 2: proposition for us as a country. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: politicians or any political party is entitled to absolutely anything.

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Speaker 2: And I make that point particularly actually about the legacy

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Speaker 2: parties of National and Labor. And here again is where

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Speaker 2: I distinguish us as the Green Party. Very clearly. We've

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Speaker 2: got a lot that we work with Labor on, but

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Speaker 2: we also have some different views on some very clear things,

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Speaker 2: and look, you know we express those even when we're

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Speaker 2: in a governing relationship with Labor. The fact that for example,

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Speaker 2: they decided to keep in place a tax system which

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Speaker 2: sees your average hard working New Zealander, our nurses, our teachers,

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Speaker 2: and our firefighters pay double the effective tax rate of multi,

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Speaker 2: multi multi millionaires. Not only is that profoundly unfair, but

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Speaker 2: it also robs us all of the investment necessary to

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Speaker 2: rebuild our infrastructure. So that again is the options that

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders have to choose from that will all be

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Speaker 2: elaborating on come election time.

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Speaker 1: Didn't answer my question though, because the thing, the reason

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Speaker 1: I'm asking about the Marty Party, and the reason that

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Speaker 1: that press conference was basically dominated by questions about the

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Speaker 1: Marti Party is because they are so wild any government,

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Speaker 1: the prospect that they would be included in the government

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Speaker 1: would just put so many voters off. So is there

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Speaker 1: any chance that you actually want to have them in

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Speaker 2: Well, this is up to New Zealanders, and I think

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Speaker 2: you'll hear me say the same thing, and I actually

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Speaker 2: say the same thing whenever it must about polls. To

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Speaker 2: be honest, whether polls are up and down, which is

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Speaker 2: that no politician and no political party is entitled to anything.

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Speaker 2: If New Zealanders do decide to vote in such a

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Speaker 2: way that we have three left wing progressive parties that

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Speaker 2: are able to form government, then those are the cards

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Speaker 2: that have been dealt by New Zealanders. New Zealand are

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Speaker 2: the ones who have made that decision.

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Speaker 1: Have you thought about Labour's most likely path to power

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Speaker 1: being labor plus New Zealand first, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: that's the truth. Chloe. You know that that and if

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Speaker 1: that was if Winnie even sniffed at Chippy's door, Chippy

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Speaker 1: would dump you so fast.

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Speaker 2: Politics is a funny old game, hasn't it here? There?

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Speaker 2: And look, I mean I've said many many times, or

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Speaker 2: rather people have kind of pointed out to me, you

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Speaker 2: know the kind of disdain that I have for this

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Speaker 2: game of politics. And I know that the old adages

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Speaker 2: don't hate the player. I hate the game. If I'm

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Speaker 2: I think that New Zealanders deserve better than this fixation

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Speaker 2: that we have in politics on personalities and all of

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Speaker 2: the high level nonsense and slogan. I know you're not

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Speaker 2: doing that. I'm telling I am this is the political players.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know it's frustrated, but but in my

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Speaker 1: defense asking that question, this is about policies, right, and

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Speaker 1: Winston has policies compatible with both sides. And if and

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Speaker 1: he's going to use this, this is how it works.

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Speaker 1: He'll use it for leverage. He'll play one side off

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Speaker 1: the against the other. And if he goes with Labor,

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Speaker 1: you're out and that must suck standing there helping Chippy

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Speaker 1: and then knowing you're going to be thrown away.

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Speaker 2: Well, I dispute the point, the point that will be

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Speaker 2: and away. You know, I am here as the co

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Speaker 2: leader of the co leader of the Green Party, campaigning

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Speaker 2: very strongly for a strong Green Party vote so that

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Speaker 2: we have the requisite number of MPs in Parliament to

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Speaker 2: be able to get the change across the line that

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders quite frankly need, but more than that deserve.

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Speaker 2: And look, if people want to cast their vote with

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Speaker 2: a guy it will stick his finger up in the

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Speaker 2: air and see whichever way the wind blows in order

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Speaker 2: to garner a few votes at the last minute, then

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Speaker 2: so be it. His track record speaks for itself. I

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Speaker 2: believe in democracy and I believe in New Zealanders, and

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm really excited about the next ten months

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Speaker 2: that we have the opportunity to make it really clear

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Speaker 2: the options that New Zealanders have on the table. We

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Speaker 2: can continue down the track that we're on at the

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Speaker 2: moment where this government ties us not only from a

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Speaker 2: foreign affairs perspective more to the United States, but seems

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Speaker 2: intent on modeling their economy that is growing deeply entrenched

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Speaker 2: inequality and making it harder for people to access healthcare

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Speaker 2: and education and our infrastructure. Or we can choose to

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Speaker 2: put the well being of people and planet ahead of

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Speaker 2: short term profit.

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Speaker 1: Chloe, thank you for your time and good luck with everything.

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Speaker 1: This year's Cloe Swawbrick greens co Leider. Can I just

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Speaker 1: say shout out to Chloe for coming on the show

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Speaker 1: and talking about it, because the reason Chloe's here is

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Speaker 1: because Shippy was hip, busy, real busy. Today. For more

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