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Speaker 1: Just like the All Blacks did. The Springbox have also

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Speaker 1: made a bunch of changes to their side ahead of

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Speaker 1: the second Test in Cape Town this weekend. According to

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Speaker 1: the South African Rugby Press, it's a more experienced and

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Speaker 1: less experimental Box lineup. Liam Napier is the chief sports

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Speaker 1: writer at The Herald with us Now, Hey, Liam, evening,

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Speaker 1: Heather that says to me that they know that after

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Speaker 1: a defeat the All Blacks bounce back hard and they're

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Speaker 1: prepared for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think you're on the right track there.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit of a flip the script one because

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Speaker 2: the Springboks have recalled some of their World Cup winners

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Speaker 2: and the All Blacks conversely have gone to youth. So

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Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting to see which tactics prevail

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Speaker 2: this weekend and one of the greatest cities on Earth

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Speaker 2: in Cape Town.

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Speaker 1: Probably some of the best news for the spring Boxes

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Speaker 1: that Seacalisi has been clear to play after that facial Injuria.

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Speaker 2: He's a massively inspirational figure throughout South Africa, not just

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Speaker 2: in the rugby context. Heather very galvanizing, uniting character who's

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Speaker 2: been a massive influencer in the Springbox winning back to

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Speaker 2: bat World Cup titles. So it was thought that he

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Speaker 2: had a facial fracture, but he's recovered swiftly inside a week,

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Speaker 2: so a big in for them.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the changes that the All Blacks have

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Speaker 1: made were smart or did they read to you as

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Speaker 1: panicking slightly?

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Speaker 2: To me, it is a bit reactionary. Two of them

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Speaker 2: were injury enforced, with Caleb Clark and Ethan black At

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Speaker 2: are unavailable due to injuries, but the others are a

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Speaker 2: direct reaction to what happened last week and the final

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Speaker 2: quarter collapse, trying to counter the Springbox bomb squad bench

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Speaker 2: putting some experience on the All Blacks bench, and I

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Speaker 2: think you'll see the All Blacks look to play the

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Speaker 2: game at pace and attacked the Springbox for longer that

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Speaker 2: they did so well last week for sixty minutes and

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Speaker 2: then just blew it by kicking the ball away through

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Speaker 2: all discipline and some real inexperience on the bench. So

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Speaker 2: I think it is a real reaction to that last

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Speaker 2: quarter and basically looking over their shoulder worrying about that

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Speaker 2: bomb squad from the spring Box and trying to counter that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how relaxed are you going to be? If the

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Speaker 1: All Blacks lose. How much slack are you going to cut, Razor?

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Speaker 2: Well, look there is an element of rebuilding for the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks, but look this is the All Blacks. It's

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Speaker 2: huge demands on the massive expectations. The All Blacks haven't

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Speaker 2: lost to the spring Box Hither four times in seventy

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Speaker 2: five years, and they have held the Freedom Cup, which

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Speaker 2: is a trophy that was brought into mark ten years

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Speaker 2: of South African democracy. They've held that cup for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: So this is a significant test. Records at stake, there's

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Speaker 2: legacies on the line, and the All Blacks are expected

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Speaker 2: to win every Test. It doesn't matter if it's the

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Speaker 2: World champions in their backyard or you know, Australia in Australia.

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Speaker 2: So Razer's got a tough job. There's been big post

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Speaker 2: World Cup exits and he's still trying to find his

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Speaker 2: best fifteen. But we expect the All Blacks to win

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Speaker 2: every week.

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Speaker 1: Leman, you're a tough taskmaster. I appreciate its Liam Napier,

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