1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, senior political correspondent with US. 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 2: Hey Barry, good afternoon. 3 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Right, so we've had the Oca Adrian Oors come out. 4 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: He's done as press conference, which you have to admit 5 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: he likes doing, doesn't he. 6 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: Well now he does, although he seemed to quite enjoy 7 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: it when he engineered the depression in the. 8 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: First Exactly, I think he dislikes a press conference period. 9 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: Well, that's right. 10 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: But anyway, the dancing in the aisles at Parliament. 11 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: Well he's certainly dancing from the government side, and on 12 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: a rare occasion, both act and nationalist singing from the 13 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: same hymbal. But they're both praising the efforts of the 14 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: government collectively for where we are at at the moment. 15 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: So it had to come down though it was inevitable 16 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: that you know, inflation was clearly under control. The squeeze 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: the economy had been squeezed so hard by Adrian Oran. 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: When you look at you know, the years twenty twenty three, 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: twenty four, I mean it ranged between I think it 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: was four point seven five and five point five and 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: only started coming down on October last year. So it's 22 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: been a long, hard grind, mainly for the mortgage interest holders, 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: and a lot of people ask me about the OCR 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: what does it mean three point seventy five. Well, that's 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: the rate that the banks can borrow money at and 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: the margin that the bank set is above that for 27 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: your mortgage and interest rates. So you know, it'll be 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: interesting to see if those margins are reduced or stay 29 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: the same, and what real effect that it will have 30 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: on our interest rates. 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting today listening to that press conference, them 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: saying basically, your longer term rates, so anything two to 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: five years, don't expect much of movement because most of 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: that is influenced by your bank swap rates and your 35 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: international money markets rather than the OCR. So, but your 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: floating rates will certainly go up and down. Hey, John tammaheaty, 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: he came out this morning. 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: Well, long bhold John tamer Harry is speaking to somebody. 39 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: He essentially agreed that some photocopy copying had taken place 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: at the Mudrai at the center of all this, and 41 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: his candidate, of course won the election, who was the 42 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: chief executive of the Mrai. But it's interesting. Tama here 43 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: has been approached by news Talk z BE on many 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: occasions for an interview, but calls go unanswered, but the 45 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: phone was unanswered from Radio New Zealand this morning, and 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: he seemed to suggest the whole thing was a pakiha conspiracy. 47 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: I think it's in the interest of all pakia that 48 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 3: they want it sorted out right, because the only people 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: that get investigated constantly. And there's not one rule for 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: law in this country by long shot, from suppression orders 51 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: all the way through, because we suffer a significant microscope 52 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: have done since I that school have done today plays 53 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: out in different ways. So we will continue to participate 54 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 3: in the democratic process, whether people like it or not, 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 3: and we're growing forced politically in this country. That will 56 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: continue whether people like it or not. 57 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: Hang on though, wasn't the Maori Party that called the 58 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: police and to investigate in the first place. If John's listing, 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 2: you can't have it both ways. 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: And also it was a Mary MP and Penny Hennade 61 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: who said that they were ripped off. 62 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I'll tell you what the interesting question 63 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 2: at the end of all of this, if electoral wrong 64 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: doing is found by the police against the Maori Party 65 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: and they vehemently decided to deny that done anything wrong, 66 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: the whole balance of Parliament has been decided on the 67 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: seats like the one that they won. As a result, 68 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: some would say of the vote being jacked up. Now 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: where does that leave. 70 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: Parliament and where does it And obviously there's a police 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: investigation going on all that privacy commission and then also 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: the question for the Electoral Commission, I mean why did 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: they let a booth go in first place? 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: Exactly? 75 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: You know, because it's their job in legislation. It's their 76 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: job to run a friend fair election and. 77 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: To separate it from what our best at interests. 78 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: Now, the Mexicans stand off, as Shane Jones once eloquently 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: put it, between the Greens and New Zealand First is 80 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: continuing today. 81 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: Yes it is. And it came down to a bit 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: of a history lesson. I mean, Mendis March was born 83 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: in Mexico, his father is Mexican, his mother was Key. 84 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: Where in Key when he came to New Zealand with 85 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: his mother. The question that led to the debate today 86 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: was to the Immigration Minister, and it started all the 87 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: kerfuffle that led to the history lesson. Does she think 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: it's fair to deport people who have been born in 89 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: t or separating them from communities and their families. It 90 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: was the use of a t or that infuriated Winston 91 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: Betters and his nick Shane Jones. 92 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: Here they are, that is, someone who applied to come 93 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 4: to a country called New Zealand as immigrant in two 94 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: thousand and six allowed in this House to change the 95 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: country's name without the mandate the approval of referendum of 96 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: the Zealand people. A person asking the question, is an 97 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: elected member of this. 98 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: House go to the treaty? 99 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 5: New Zealand is transliterated as new TDNY. Pember Reeves popularized 100 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 5: the word altahor. 101 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: Would you also be willing to consider whether it is 102 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: appropriate for any member of this House to openly question 103 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: the legitimacy of the presence of another member in order 104 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 1: to make a political point. 105 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: Okay, oh, think about that. 106 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 6: I do think that is worth while considering those comments 107 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 6: actually reflect outside of a chambers, off this place into 108 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 6: a broader communities. This incentiveizing people who may have been 109 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 6: one overseas from participating in our democracy. 110 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 5: So can you also contemplate the appropriateness of recent immigrants 111 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 5: telling mild Is what the name of our country should be? 112 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: Goodness, it was pember Reeves, of course, he wrote the book, 113 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: and he was a politician at the turn of the 114 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 2: nineteenth century in New Zealand, and he wrote the book 115 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: The Land of the Long White Cloud, which is where 116 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: at Roll came from. And Shane Jones being moldy himself, 117 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: Winston Peter's being moldy himself. They are right. This is 118 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: not a moldy word. It's a word that was taken 119 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: by a European politician and popularized. 120 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: Does it. I think he's running into a bit of 121 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: a problem, probably not electorally for him, but continuing to 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: go down the foreign born route. 123 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: Oh you know that, that needling, needling and needling. It's 124 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: just it's pure political theater and they love it. 125 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: They do, I think, so we run. Oh it's bloody, enjoyable. 126 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Very Soper, Senior political correspondent. 127 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 6: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 128 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 6: news Talks it'd be from four am weekdays, or follow 129 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 6: the podcast on iHeartRadio.