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Speaker 1: Big call from the government as they override the Auckland

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Speaker 1: Council around future buildings. So as part of the CRL

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Speaker 1: which is the big train and new train stations that

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Speaker 1: come with it, they want up to fifteen story buildings

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Speaker 1: around them so we can all train to work and

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Speaker 1: live like we're in New York. John Tooky is the

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Speaker 1: professor of Future Environments at aut and is with us.

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Speaker 1: John Morning, Good morning. So a couple of stories here

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Speaker 1: won the height and you know whether or not you

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Speaker 1: want to go out or up. And two the fact

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Speaker 1: that now central government seems to be running a city

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Speaker 1: and overriding a local council. Deal with the first one first,

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Speaker 1: if they build it, will they come.

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Speaker 2: I suspect. So certainly it helps. I mean all you

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Speaker 2: got to do is look at many of the European

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Speaker 2: city examples, places like Glasgow in London and so on,

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Speaker 2: where you know, you get these little community groups built

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Speaker 2: around these train stations that yeah, they create a microcosm

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Speaker 2: of existence in the city and they facilitate smooth travel.

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Speaker 1: All right. The other part of the fact Wellington's running Auckland,

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Speaker 1: not Auckland running Auckland. Is that an issue?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a massive political issue for sure, racing certainty.

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Speaker 2: I mean that you just know that it's going to

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Speaker 2: cause problems when because we're going to end up with

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Speaker 2: the classic sort of nimb type of arguments that are

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Speaker 2: going to hove interview straight away. Why have we got

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Speaker 2: to have it here? You know, who's going to fund this,

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Speaker 2: How is it going to impact everybody else in the area,

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen to localhouse prices, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And then we go down the text argument, which I

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Speaker 1: think labeler into I'm not sure this current lot are

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Speaker 1: that if you live in close proximity to something they

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Speaker 1: would regard as magic, like a train, you get text

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Speaker 1: more is that where we're.

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Speaker 2: Hitting My strong suspicion is that it's likely to go

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Speaker 2: that way. You know that there is no doubt about

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Speaker 2: the fact that there is massive utility associated with being

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Speaker 2: close to a railway station, with easy access to the

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Speaker 2: city center and all those sorts of things. There is

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Speaker 2: no doubt about that inevitably that's going to you know,

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Speaker 2: put pressure on taxation levels. You know, obviously I was

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Speaker 2: going to say council tax not council tax rating rating. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: And you know that's that's inevitably going to be a

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Speaker 2: consideration and a concern.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any sense of a timeframe on this,

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Speaker 1: because I'm sure we've been talking about infrastructure in thirty

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Speaker 1: year plans and tall buildings and railway stations and living

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Speaker 1: like will in Paris forever.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's put this way, just the simple proposition of

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Speaker 2: consenting a fifteen story building in the middle of a

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Speaker 2: city is not something that's a five minute undertaking, and

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Speaker 2: even and then when you build it, you know you're

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Speaker 2: talking a couple of years. So my suspicion is that

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Speaker 2: this is going to be at least a decade type

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Speaker 2: of undertaking to see any sort of measurable mass urban

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Speaker 2: deentification around these sort of railheads.

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Speaker 1: So don't hold your brith, John appreciate John Tookey, Professor

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Speaker 1: for a Future Environment tod Aut.

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