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Speaker 2: Digging through the spins spence to find the real story story.

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Speaker 2: It's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duper see Ellen drive with

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Speaker 2: one New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon four oh seven Tuesday, the eleventh of February. Great

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Speaker 4: to have your company. The KO crackdown on tenants who

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Speaker 4: are not paying rent. Will look at that after five.

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Speaker 4: Todd McLay on the Trump tariffs, Cameron Baggery looks at

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Speaker 4: means testing New Zealand's super some good business news for

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Speaker 4: you after six o'clock and what the hell is going

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Speaker 4: on with Eneos and MZR.

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Speaker 1: We'll look at that too, Brian Bridge.

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Speaker 4: So today Kying Order revealed some interesting stuff about their tenants,

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Speaker 4: those that are and those that aren't paying rent. The

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Speaker 4: good news, and it is good news. Ninety percent of

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Speaker 4: our state housing tenants are up to date with their payments. Fantastic,

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Speaker 4: well done, congratulations. The bad news is just how bad

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Speaker 4: How bad things got during COVID in twenty nineteen, tenants

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Speaker 4: point four by the start of twenty twenty four, that

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Speaker 4: I hear you asking, dear listener. Well, today Coying Order

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Speaker 4: What are shambles? Why would you pay rent if there's

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Speaker 4: today is tougher penalties for those who fail to pay,

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Speaker 4: communicate with them for more than twelve weeks. Fair enough,

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Speaker 4: but they've also had to swallow a big dead rat,

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Speaker 4: and by they I mean us. They are writing off

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Speaker 4: about half of the debt that's currently owed. The total

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Speaker 1: Cry and Bridge nine.

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Speaker 4: After four news talks, they've been New Zealand First has

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Speaker 4: introduced a member's bill to change the rules around fluoride

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Speaker 4: in the water. If it's pluck from the ballot and

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Speaker 4: if it were to pass, the bill would repeal the

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one law that gave the Director General of

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Speaker 4: Health the power to determine if water supplies should be fluoridated. Now,

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Speaker 4: local water authorities would also be forced to hold a

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Speaker 4: binding referendum on the issue. Winston Peters is the leader

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Speaker 4: of the New Zealand First and he's with me this afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, good afternoon, Great to have you on. So

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Speaker 4: obviously there's not a lot of support around from your

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Speaker 5: Well, the reality is that this was the state of

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Speaker 5: then they became the victims of an autograde decision which

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Speaker 5: costs millions for the councils and at a thread of

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Speaker 5: fine and then a ten dollar fine every day that

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Speaker 5: And we're thying give people back the democracy that they

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Speaker 4: And the Director General is saying, oh, we're going to

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Speaker 4: so they've got to March twenty eight. Now, look it's unlikely.

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Speaker 4: I mean it is possible, but it's highly unlikely this

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Speaker 5: So what well, it depends, depends depends. If you are

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Speaker 5: we could have the all through Parliament by that time

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Speaker 5: and would not be necessary for the ratepayers of farn

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Speaker 4: Well, not so much my colleagues, but yours. Minister Nicola

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Speaker 4: Willis just said on the news here at News Talks B.

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Speaker 4: and I want that for every other kid too. We're

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Speaker 5: Well, that was not the National Party's position for all

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Speaker 5: We're in an authoritative Labor Party by itself made this decision.

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Speaker 4: People not fair enough. Any comment to make on David

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Speaker 5: No, have you heard have you heard the Latin phrase

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Speaker 5: raise ups a.

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Speaker 1: Lock at it?

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Speaker 4: No? I haven't exit you what does that mean?

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Speaker 5: It means the thing speaks for itself.

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Speaker 4: Have you heard from the Prime Minister Mark Brown yet?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Do you expect to hear from him? So, I mean,

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Speaker 5: Well, again, this is a matter of this is a

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Speaker 5: But we would expect to hear from men course, but

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Speaker 4: So he still hasn't even said if he's going to

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Speaker 5: Oh I know he said he's going to talk to us,

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Speaker 4: Mister Peters, thank you very much for your time. I

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Speaker 4: appreciate it, Deputy Prime Minister, and you've been New Zealand

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Speaker 4: First Party leader Winston Peters. It is thirteen after four

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Speaker 4: Just gone sixteen after four news Talks. Hebb your text

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Speaker 4: here from he says, why if you are a state

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Speaker 4: very good question. And will I ask a coing order

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Speaker 4: at News Talks. He'd be right now. Darcy's head was sport. Hey, Darcy, Hey, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: can you very simple question that I don't know the

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Speaker 6: It good because I'm a simple man.

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Speaker 4: Why is Anios pulling out of this deal with that?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Maybe Sir Jim Radcliffe's all angry that Team New Zealand

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Speaker 6: a tooice that he's going. I said, I don't know

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Speaker 6: what I can do. I don't know. It's something he

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Speaker 4: Year because the January payment hasn't been made. Right is

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Speaker 4: this the first we've heard of it? That the contact

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Speaker 6: Last year, but now we know the New Zealand Rugby

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Speaker 6: they've gone, Look, they've obviously been in negotiations. Can we

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Speaker 6: have the money? You ask please? And he's gone no,

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Speaker 4: Outrageous.

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Speaker 6: It is when you look at sporting contracts though they're

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Speaker 6: sports teams like I don't like you anymore? I'm going

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Speaker 6: home family reasons. So this is very very different. But

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Speaker 4: Have to because then anyone can walk out on them.

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Speaker 6: They've got to stand there and go you can't do this.

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Speaker 6: We'll have our day in court. We will not. It's

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Speaker 6: posturing to a degree. Hopefully there'll be an out of

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Speaker 6: court sentiment because we believe it's ten million dollars. This

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Speaker 6: Jim Rackliff from any of us. He's a billionaire. But

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Speaker 6: it represents a fair slug of cash for ends are

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Speaker 4: To saying that on No, don't worry. You know, we're

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Speaker 4: I mean, how much do we know how much this

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Ten million dollars right, Yeah, that's that's per annum, So

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Speaker 4: But that's a whole and if you don't because this

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Speaker 4: stuff's planned way in advance, right, so it's not like

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Speaker 6: Of years to actually get that sort of out. These sponsorships,

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Speaker 6: you don't just ring up some meat on Saturday for

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Speaker 6: a coffee. We'll sign the deal. There's a long term arrangements.

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Speaker 6: I think the scary thing about this is that a

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Speaker 6: Jim Redcliffe is he's plainly making some old decisions. He's

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Speaker 6: having an argument around the America's Cup. So something's not

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Speaker 6: on a court battle with a guy with bottomless pockets?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: Thank you? No?

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Speaker 6: How long will it go for?

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Speaker 4: How long will they?

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Speaker 6: That's it? That's scary.

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Speaker 4: Hey. The Hurricanes have decided they're going to have four captains.

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Speaker 6: Yeah and yes, everyone went what And I understand that

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Speaker 4: Look, there's one person in charge on the field though, right, yep.

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Speaker 6: I think that it's a rather pragmatic decision. And the

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Speaker 4: They'd be four four on News Talks. They'd be Todd McLay.

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Speaker 4: The trademans are coming up after five o'clock on the tariffs.

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Speaker 4: Forcing Honestly, if you are hungry, you will eat it.

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Speaker 4: They'd be drive as promised, and he does what he

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Speaker 4: Finally, this afternoon, a monkey has managed to cause a

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Speaker 4: Twenty three away from five now. Murray Old's are Australia

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Speaker 3: I beg your pardon. Anyway, he grows up, he is

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Speaker 3: this astonishing young man, athletic young fellow, and he wants

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Speaker 3: to have a career in rugby league. He is an

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Speaker 3: enormous schoolboy, one of those enormous Polynesian guys you see

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Speaker 3: running around football fields as a young man, and his

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Speaker 3: dream was to play for the South Sydney Rabbidos. But

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Speaker 3: they looked at him as he was getting older and said,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not sure he's got the physique

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Speaker 3: that we need in modern rugby league. We're up the

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Speaker 3: ten back, the ten, up the ten back the ten.

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't. I mean, there was nothing wrong with his

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Speaker 3: strength in his hands, and you know, all the ability

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Speaker 3: that he had. They just didn't think he would cut

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Speaker 3: the mustard as a full on rugby league star. So

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Speaker 3: his management took him off to the United States and

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen he signed the deal with the Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 3: and here he is now. He's on one hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollar bonus, if you don't mind, or a thirty million

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Speaker 3: dollar bonus on a one hundred million dollar three year deal.

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Speaker 3: And apparently Dwayne the Rock Johnson is the only smo

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Speaker 3: and athlete in the world who's got a bigger bank

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Speaker 3: balance than Jordan my Latter. He's apparently a gorgeous man.

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Speaker 3: He sang as with all his brothers and this is

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Speaker 3: mum and Dad in the local church choir at Bankstown

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Speaker 3: and Sydney. He appeared on some American TV show, the

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Speaker 3: Masked Voice, whatever it's called, and he is about one

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Speaker 3: thing his former rugby league coach, that he could have

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Speaker 3: been a rock and roll star if that's what he

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Speaker 3: wanted to be, such as the beauty of his voice.

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard him sing, but I saw him play yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And my god, don't run into Jordan my laty, you

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Speaker 3: end up in hospital.

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Speaker 4: I suggest married nicely and thank you. I think it's

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Speaker 4: the Masked Singer the TV show you were clutching for.

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Speaker 15: There.

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Speaker 4: Murray Olds are Australia correspondent with us this afternoon, just

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Speaker 4: gone seventeen away from five Ryan Bridge, so we're talking

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Speaker 4: trade after five and you heard from Murray there that

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Speaker 4: obviously there's a huge trade surplus, as the American President

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Speaker 4: likes to put it, surplus. And I looked at our

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Speaker 4: numbers today. It's interesting because we were about the same

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Speaker 4: in terms of imports exports to the United States. This

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Speaker 4: is New Zealand's numbers up until around twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 4: then their import's dropped a bit. It means that they

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Speaker 4: are a little bit out of whack, which I mean

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Speaker 4: our government is over there in Washington, d c. Selling

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Speaker 4: US as a trade neutral. You know, there's no nothing

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Speaker 4: to see here. You don't need to come after us,

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump, even though they have elevated in the last

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Speaker 4: couple of years to our second largest export market. So

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Speaker 4: it goes China, and it goes to the US, then

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Speaker 4: it goes Australia, then it goes Japan. Our exports are

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Speaker 4: worth fourteen and a half million dollars. We import eleven

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Speaker 4: point six million dollars worth of goods and services into

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Speaker 4: this country from the United States. That means there's a

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Speaker 4: surplus at our end of about three and a half

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Speaker 4: billion dollars, and that means that there's a deficit at

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Speaker 4: the are in of about three and a half billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: Though Tom McClay seems to think that's just fine and

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Speaker 4: we shouldn't be too worried about what the White House

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Speaker 4: might do next. We'll ask him about that after five.

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Speaker 4: Of course, just gone sixteen away from five. Lots been

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Speaker 4: going down in the house. Actually, lots of texts coming

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Speaker 4: in about Chloe and that comment about the school lunches. Ryan,

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Speaker 4: Did Chloe steal the school lunches that she brought into

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Speaker 4: the house today? Tut tut, naughty Green says, I doubt

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Speaker 4: she stole them. I don't know actually, but Barry Soperthia next,

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Speaker 4: we'll ask him.

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Speaker 2: Politics was centric crey to check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 4: Certainty you're on news talks, there'd be thirteen minutes away

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Speaker 4: from five. Barry Soper, senior political correspondent with US lots

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Speaker 4: to talk about, Barry, Good.

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Speaker 7: Afternoon, Good afternoon, Ryan.

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Speaker 4: So we got the clash between Luxon and Hipkin's labor

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Speaker 4: clearly buoyed by these opinion polls out well, no doubt

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Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 7: And of course it's come back today after a resear

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Speaker 7: so you always expected fully fiery parliament. After that, the

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Speaker 7: Speaker began the session by rebuking the act Leader, David

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Speaker 7: Seymour for that stunt he did yesterday trying to either

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Speaker 7: jeep up the or land rover up the front steps.

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Speaker 7: Of Parliament. Seymour turns out didn't have any permission from

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Speaker 7: the Speaker. He indicated he might have, but there was

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Speaker 7: no permission. As Jerry Browney said, there was no contact

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Speaker 7: between the Actor office and his office, so he drove

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Speaker 7: it up there. The Prime Minister, though, was he was

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Speaker 7: in the hot seat as well, with almost half the

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Speaker 7: questions today which is unusual, being aimed at him, with

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Speaker 7: Labour's Crusipkins being told by Lucks and he clearly doesn't

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Speaker 7: understand anything about economics.

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Speaker 3: Here's that crash.

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Speaker 16: That member is like the arsonists that lit the fire

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Speaker 16: and now criticizes the fire brigade for putting it out right,

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Speaker 16: it's all a bit a bit convenient just to forget

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Speaker 16: recent history.

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Speaker 17: How will his government find the skilled workers needed for

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Speaker 17: major infrastructure projects when they finally work out what they

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Speaker 17: actually want to build, given that many of those thirteen

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Speaker 17: thousand skilled workers who lost their jobs have already left.

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Speaker 16: The country, That left the country to go to sectors

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Speaker 16: that that member doesn't support. To think about mining in Australia,

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Speaker 16: for example, then we're going to build infrastructure, not just

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Speaker 16: talk about it, like Auckland light rail and harbor crossings.

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Speaker 16: And a bunch of other kombaiara mush from the muppets.

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Speaker 17: On the other side, what's Nicola willis more likely to

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Speaker 17: replace this year the Enter Island fairies or him as

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Speaker 17: Prime Minister.

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Speaker 16: Well, I'm incredibly proud of a great minister of finance.

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Speaker 7: Let's hope he continues to be proud of a great

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Speaker 7: minister of finance. I think he certainly will this side.

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Speaker 1: Of the next selection.

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Speaker 4: All right, we've got to move on. Seymore in the

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Speaker 4: firing line over the polking Horn essay, yes he was.

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Speaker 7: There was that rebuke over the landrover stunt. Then it

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Speaker 7: was on to the Philip Pokinghorn Polkinghorn thing. The question

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Speaker 7: really that many of us wanted answered, and we talked

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Speaker 7: about it yesterday was where the Polkinghorn was a donor

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Speaker 7: to Seemoa on the Act party. Well, the party leader

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Speaker 7: wrote the letter, but it was left answered that question

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Speaker 7: or was it?

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Speaker 18: Have a listen?

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Speaker 17: Has he asked David Seymour if he has ever received

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Speaker 17: political donations from Philip Polkinhorn?

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Speaker 1: If not, why not?

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Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 4: And I have nothing else to sell it.

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Speaker 17: Given David Seymour has refused to answer publicly whether he

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Speaker 17: has received donations from Philip Polkinhorn, and the Prime Minister

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Speaker 17: is the only person who can judge whether there is

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Speaker 17: a conflict of interest.

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Speaker 1: Why hasn't he asked him?

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Speaker 16: Because the Minister was not a minister at the time

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Speaker 16: in which he sent the letter.

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Speaker 19: Mister Speaker, it would be the easiest thing in the

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Speaker 19: world for me to just stand up and say that

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Speaker 19: there's been no such donation to me.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going to do that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well why not?

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Speaker 7: We don't know, but you know, and I know you

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Speaker 7: want to hear from Chloe.

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Speaker 4: Come on, well, the school unch debated did get.

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Speaker 7: The airing in Parliament today the Green's leader, Chloe Swarbrick.

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Speaker 7: She turned up with packs for each of the three

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Speaker 7: coalition leaders, inviting them to taste what's being served up

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Speaker 7: to our kids. Now we know they've had teething problems

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Speaker 7: with Swarbrick, I think scored something of an own goal

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Speaker 7: when The Lunches author David Seymour rose to ask a

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Speaker 7: question when she was grilling the Prime Minister about the

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Speaker 7: lunches she brought along for them to taste.

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Speaker 13: Is there one standard and acceptable food for parliamentarians and

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Speaker 13: another for our children.

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Speaker 16: I'm more worried about which children are missing out on

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Speaker 16: those lunches that you have nicked them.

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Speaker 19: From, missus s finger, Is the Prime Minister aware that

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Speaker 19: yesterday the school lunch program achieved one hundred percent on

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Speaker 19: time delivery in every region with two exceptions, where in

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Speaker 19: one case ninety five percent on time delivery was achieved

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Speaker 19: and in the other case ninety two percent on time

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Speaker 19: delivery was achieved.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't, but that sounds fantastic.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't the answer.

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Speaker 7: I think that Chloe's for all we wanted to hear.

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't. I want to know whether Chloe Swarbrook

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Speaker 4: tasted the meals or.

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Speaker 7: Not while they were sitting there tantalizingly on her desk

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Speaker 7: in front of her. I'm not sure. I would suggest

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Speaker 7: that if the Prime Minister was feeling a bit hungry,

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Speaker 7: should have nipped over and stuck one on the microwave.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, why not? They looked. They looked fine to me,

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Speaker 4: very neat that you thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 4: Barry Soper, our senior political correspondent here at News Talk,

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Speaker 4: sai'd be just a text from lynd says David seam

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Speaker 4: was starting to make a bit of an ass of himself.

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Speaker 4: And there's a few that pop in like that and

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Speaker 4: have been popping in over the last couple of days.

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Speaker 4: I've got more to say on David Seymour and on

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Speaker 4: Winston Peters as the minnows in this coalition that's coming

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Speaker 4: up after just before five point thirty this evening, now

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Speaker 4: eight to five, and the Trade Minister after the news.

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Speaker 2: Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 4: My Minister Christopher Lexon is with us. I suggested to

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Speaker 4: you last week you might be on the gun of runway.

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Speaker 4: We had Rod Duke of Brisco's on the program the

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Speaker 4: other day. Here's what he said, and I.

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Speaker 1: Think they will be marked seriously if we don't see

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Speaker 1: some serious initiatives.

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Speaker 3: Is he right?

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Speaker 14: He's going on?

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Speaker 16: We need to get this economy moving. We've had some

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Speaker 16: long standing problems for thirty years about economic productivity and

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Speaker 16: that's what you're saying. We've got to invest summit coming

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Speaker 16: up a fast track hit last Friday. We've got trade deals,

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Speaker 16: investment treaty deals that we just did in the UAE.

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Speaker 16: We've got a rolling thunder of constant announcements to remove Bark.

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Speaker 4: We've got a rolling thunder back tomorrow at six am

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Speaker 4: the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Raindrover, the last News

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Speaker 4: Talk ZB four to five on News Talk ZB. SO

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Speaker 4: a bunch of executive orders that Trump signed in the

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Speaker 4: Oval Office today. Obviously we'll be talking about the tariffs,

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Speaker 4: the most important ones, but among them the paper straw

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Speaker 4: plastic straw. Yes, he signed a plastic straw decree from

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Speaker 4: the Oval Office today, So he's signed an executive order.

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Speaker 4: It's aimed at encouraging the government, US government consumers to

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Speaker 4: purchase plastic drinking straws.

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Speaker 20: Once again, this is an executive order relating to the

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Speaker 20: use of paper straws.

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Speaker 16: As you've consistently identified, nobody really likes paper straw.

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Speaker 1: Number one trending.

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Speaker 9: We're going back to plastic straws. These things don't work.

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Speaker 9: I've had them many times and on occasion they break,

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Speaker 9: they explode if something's hot. They don't last very long,

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Speaker 9: like a matter of minutes, sometimes a matter of seconds.

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Speaker 9: It's a ridiculous situation. So we're going back to plastic straws.

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Speaker 9: I think it's okay.

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Speaker 8: There.

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Speaker 4: You go play SX straws back and I have to

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Speaker 4: say that the paper ones have gotten better over time,

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Speaker 4: they're not as bad as they used to be. But

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Speaker 4: the paper forks, now you just never convinced me on that.

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Speaker 21: I mean, the one you always want the politicians to

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Speaker 21: do is to make a law that the chips have

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Speaker 21: to fill up the whole bag. And you don't have

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Speaker 21: a bag that's like mostly air. So maybe Trump is

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Speaker 21: the president who actually do something about that.

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Speaker 4: You've just nailed the next executive order, Chips. It is

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Speaker 4: three to five News Talk zb KO after the news.

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Speaker 2: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 2: the full picture. Brian Bridge On, Heather Duplice Allen Drive

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Speaker 2: with One New Zealand Let's get connected news talks be

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Speaker 2: good Evening.

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Speaker 4: It's seven after five Caying of Order cracking down on

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Speaker 4: tenants who aren't paying their rent, but also at the

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Speaker 4: same time going to wipe about half of the debt

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Speaker 4: they currently owed and rent arears. The State Housing Agency

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Speaker 4: will start evicting tenants have more than twelve weeks rent

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Speaker 4: outstanding and aren't making an effort to repay their debt

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Speaker 4: or keeping in contact with the agency. Matt Crockett is

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Speaker 4: coming of Order's chief executive. He's with me this evening.

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Speaker 4: Good evening, Good evening, Ryan, How are you good? Thank you.

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Speaker 4: We'll start with the wiping of the renter reors. First,

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Speaker 4: Why are you wiping basically eight million dollars in rent hode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: What we want to do here is incentivize our customers

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Speaker 11: to get onto a repayment plan. And for many of

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Speaker 11: the customers that have like long, we have about two

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Speaker 11: thousand customers who have more than twelve weeks, it just

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Speaker 11: becomes too daunting to even deal with it, and it's

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Speaker 11: a disincentive to engage. So this is about incentivizing them

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Speaker 11: to engage and lowering the debt to a level they

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Speaker 11: can actually repay you realistically.

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Speaker 4: But aren't you incentivizing them by wiping the debt for

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Speaker 4: anything that's more than twelve weeks? Incentivizing them to get

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Speaker 4: to more than twelve weeks so it gets wiped again.

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Speaker 11: No, because with the go forward policy, and we're not

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Speaker 11: going to allow anyone to go beyond twelve weeks, and

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Speaker 11: we're going to intervene and manage it more closely earlier

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Speaker 11: so that we never have customers who get more than

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Speaker 11: twelve weeks. So this is about cleaning up the situation

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Speaker 11: we've got at the moment and resetting to move forward

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Speaker 11: with a more pragmatic approach.

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Speaker 4: So anyone who gets to twelve weeks and they haven't

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Speaker 4: paid their rent for twelve weeks, you'll start the eviction process.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and will it be engaging with them earlier than that.

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Speaker 11: So obviously when someone misses their rent payment, will be

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Speaker 11: discussing why. And as long as they're engaging and moving

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Speaker 11: towards a repayment plan, that's fine. But if they're not

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Speaker 11: engaging or they're not forming a repayment plan, then we

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Speaker 11: will actually issue a Section fifty six notice and eventually

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Speaker 11: take it to the residential Tribunal to actually have the

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Speaker 11: tendency terminated. We want to avoid that and will wherever

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Speaker 11: we can, but our tenants have to come to the

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Speaker 11: party and pay their rent.

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Speaker 4: Right, So that process only starts after twelve weeks or

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Speaker 4: are you saying that process could start after a couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks of missed rent.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it will start earlier so that by the time

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Speaker 11: a tenancy is terminated there won't be more than twelve weeks.

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Speaker 11: We'll do everything we can to avoid getting to that point,

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Speaker 11: but we will not allow the tendency to go beyond

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Speaker 11: that point.

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Speaker 4: Was the sustaining tenancies policy of the previous government, as

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Speaker 4: ridiculous as it seems in the press release that you've

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Speaker 4: put out today. You know, you went from about three

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Speaker 4: million dollars in rent areas to twenty million dollars by

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Speaker 4: the beginning of last year. This is from twenty nineteen

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Speaker 4: to the beginning of last year. Part of the problem,

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Speaker 4: you said is sustaining tenancies. In other words, you weren't

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Speaker 4: kicking enough people out, You weren't being hard enough on this.

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Speaker 11: Yeah. Well, I think we have to remember that during

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Speaker 11: that period we had the COVID pandemic, we had the

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Speaker 11: cost of living that came after that, and as part

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Speaker 11: of that there was the policy of the day was

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Speaker 11: the sustaining tenancies.

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Speaker 12: And you know, in.

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Speaker 11: Hindsight, those boundaries not being clear have led to that

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Speaker 11: growing and this has been a consequence of that. And

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Speaker 11: we're now dealing to that and just coming up with

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Speaker 11: a clearer, go forward set of policies that everyone can

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Speaker 11: manage to, including our tenants.

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Speaker 4: Matt, thank you for that. Matt Crockett, Chief Executive at

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Speaker 4: Coming or Order. It's ten up to five. Ryan bridge

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Speaker 4: nsaid Rugby's launched legal action against its major sponsor Inios

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Speaker 4: for breaching its six year sponsorship contract. Indeed, Rugby says

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Speaker 4: Inios failed to pay the first installment of this year's

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Speaker 4: fee and that this shows it's exiting its agreement three

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Speaker 4: years early. So it's not like it's been a cup,

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Speaker 4: you know. It's not like it's been five years and

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Speaker 4: they're getting out just before six The deal reportedly worth

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Speaker 4: eight million dollars a year. Insed asks its financial position

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Speaker 4: is strong. It started looking for a replacement sponsor for me.

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Speaker 4: Inded Rugby CEO David moffitters with me. Good evening, David, Okay, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: How are you Gray?

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Speaker 4: You're really good? Thank you. Why are they pulling out

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Speaker 4: of this?

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Speaker 18: Well, I don't think anybody knows at the moment, and

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Speaker 18: if it ever gets to court, I'm sure we'll find

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Speaker 18: out the reasons behind it. It's it's a big step

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Speaker 18: to take for a sport to sue it's a major sponsor,

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Speaker 18: But on the face of it, I don't see where

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Speaker 18: they've had any other option to do that. If after

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Speaker 18: I believe eight months of discussions, they haven't or to

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Speaker 18: reach an agreement that's so, he said. In a situation

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Speaker 18: like this, the only people that are going to win

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Speaker 18: all lawyers. Uh, and you know they will be damaged

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Speaker 18: onto both brands. But hopefully the New Zealand Rugby have

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Speaker 18: got some really really strong legal advice which puts them

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Speaker 18: on strong grounds so that they're able to recover what

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Speaker 18: is rightfully there.

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Speaker 4: The other thing they need is a strong balance sheet

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Speaker 4: in the meantime.

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Speaker 18: Right Well, I think the inescapable fact is that the

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Speaker 18: that Ineos and the owner of Anios are reasonably wealthy

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Speaker 18: and so therefore they won't have taken this action lightly

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Speaker 18: and they will have looked at all of the options,

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Speaker 18: including the cost of legal fees. But all of these

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Speaker 18: things gets settled. But you know, on the steps of

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Speaker 18: the courthouse the saying goes. And one would hope that

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Speaker 18: this will be the case because I think the New

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Speaker 18: Zealand Rugby are facing some financial headwinds. You know, I'm

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Speaker 18: not quite sure what's going to happen with the new

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Speaker 18: deal on with Sky and also you know, losing a

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Speaker 18: sponsorship like this, but they should be able to replace it.

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Speaker 4: Well, they say that they're looking. How hard is that

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Speaker 4: to do, especially when it's you know, it's something that

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Speaker 4: has to be done in relatively short order. How hard

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Speaker 4: will it be for them to find the replacement sponsor

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Speaker 4: and to that level of money as well cash?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I guess the first thing they've had to do

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Speaker 18: is to actually cancel the sponsorship for non performance, so

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Speaker 18: that gives them the right to negotiate with other parties.

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Speaker 18: That would be the thing.

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Speaker 4: Other than that.

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Speaker 18: You know, if they have been negotiating to try and

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Speaker 18: stave off this, then something might be be done. But

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Speaker 18: you know, what I believe is happening is that it's

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Speaker 18: actually the New Zealand corporate sponsorship are part of the

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Speaker 18: business which is involving silver Lake, which is actually going

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Speaker 18: to be taking the court action rather than New Zealand

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Speaker 18: Rugby because as you know, silver Lake, they've formed a

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Speaker 18: separate organization and that organization is responsible for getting new

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Speaker 18: sponsorships and servicing those sponsorships. So it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 18: see what you know, I mean, silver Lake said that

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Speaker 18: they were going to get a hundred million new fans

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Speaker 18: and they were going to you know, they were the

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Speaker 18: best people placed to actually build the sponsorships and retain them.

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Speaker 18: So it'll be interesting to see why they haven't been

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Speaker 18: able to with all of their supposed connections, why they

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Speaker 18: haven't been able to get this resolved before it gets

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Speaker 18: into the public domain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really good point, David one. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: that they're pondering right now. We really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 4: David Moffatt, former ends in Rugby CEO with us here

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Speaker 4: on news talks there'd be just gone fourteen minutes after

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Speaker 4: five are loads of you have views on this, not

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Speaker 4: just the ABS but also coying or Order. Will get

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Speaker 4: to those next plus Cameron Bagriy on whether we need

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Speaker 4: to means test super that's next five seventeen. On news talks,

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Speaker 4: there be lots of people upset with the way that

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Speaker 4: the Caring or Order boss was labeling those people who

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Speaker 4: aren't paying their rent. He was calling them customers. Ryan says,

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Speaker 4: Paul would pack and save, call shoplifters customers. Why does

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Speaker 4: the KO called non payers customers as well?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think that's about harsh. I mean, obviously there are

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Speaker 4: some people who, because of conditions outside of their control,

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Speaker 4: have to go into arrears. I guess that the main

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Speaker 4: thing for Coying Ordering the message they were trying to

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Speaker 4: get across is you have to actually talk to them

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Speaker 4: about it, otherwise they'll start cracking down and cracking down hard.

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Speaker 4: Eighteen minutes after five. So the Finance Minister Nichola Willis

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Speaker 4: was on this program last night and she says she

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Speaker 4: would like to have a discussion about how we're going

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Speaker 4: to pay for our superannuation in the future. But she

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Speaker 4: quick to point out National hasn't got a position on

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Speaker 4: this at the moment. Treasury has raised concerns about the

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Speaker 4: increasingly large bill for New Zealand Super and the Independent

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Speaker 4: economist Cameron Baggery is with me to discuss Cameron, good afternoon.

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Speaker 22: Good afternoon, right, good to see you, Good to talk

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Speaker 22: to you.

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Speaker 4: It's been a while. How urgent is this discussion around

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Speaker 4: the future of MS Super.

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Speaker 22: Well, I guess the longer we keep kicking the ken

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Speaker 22: down the road, the bigger the economic adjustment or the

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Speaker 22: shock we're going to face down the track in regard

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Speaker 22: to the tough choices we're.

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Speaker 1: Going to make.

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Speaker 22: You know, we should have been biting into this in

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Speaker 22: the nineteen nineties, but what we keep on doing, Ryan

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Speaker 22: is that no one's got I guess what you call

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Speaker 22: the guts to make a bit of a stand. But

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Speaker 22: if you look at all the numbers on superannuation in

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Speaker 22: combination with the fiscal cost of an aging population, which

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Speaker 22: healthcare costs, is clearly not sustainable for the next sort

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Speaker 22: of forty years. Treasury data statement on the long term

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Speaker 22: fiscal position, they've been saying for a long time, government

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Speaker 22: debt on a status quo is going to end up

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Speaker 22: towards two hundred percent of GDP. Despite those warnings, we're

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Speaker 22: still not prepared to buy the bullet and put some

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Speaker 22: alternative options on the table because the status quo the

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Speaker 22: numbers don't stack up.

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Speaker 4: It's allectually obviously very unpopular thing to do. But as

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Speaker 4: a as a relatively younger person, I don't expect that

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Speaker 4: by the time I get there that I'm going to

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Speaker 4: be getting this super that my parents are going to

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Speaker 4: be getting, or that my grandma is getting. Right now.

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Speaker 4: Is what is better? I mean, you've argued for means testing,

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Speaker 4: is that better than increasing the age?

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Speaker 22: Well, I think we're going to need a combination of policies.

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Speaker 22: Increasing the age makes an awful lot of sense because

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Speaker 22: we're living longer. When you see on separation first come

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Speaker 22: in in the nineteen fifty. Here, the everage age life

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Speaker 22: can see for a male was sixty seven and for

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Speaker 22: a female was seventy one, and now it's an excess

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Speaker 22: of eighty for both. So you're spending the bigger chunk

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Speaker 22: of your life over the age of sixty five, which

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Speaker 22: just puts more pressure on the public person. You know,

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Speaker 22: I think New zeal superannuation should be leaked to life expectancy,

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Speaker 22: and life expectancy to be fair, is different across different

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Speaker 22: ickness groups. So you're not just going to have a

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Speaker 22: female and a male band. But I don't think that

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Speaker 22: that in itself is going to be sufficient.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 22: I view the wealthy state is there for the needy.

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Speaker 22: That's where it needs to get prioritized. Yeah, we've got

881
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Speaker 22: now more than fifty percent of all wealthy is spending.

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Speaker 22: It's going towards New Zealand superannuation. And some people need

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Speaker 22: that money. But there's a chunk of society that I

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Speaker 22: don't think need that money, and they're double dipping. And

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Speaker 22: I know that they used the argument that I've paid

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Speaker 22: my taxes all my life. Well sorry, We're going to

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Speaker 22: face some tough choices going forward, because if we expect

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Speaker 22: the state is quite to work, then someone's going to

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Speaker 22: have to pay on the other side. And the issue

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Speaker 22: is who's going to pay on the other side.

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Speaker 4: Cameron Bager Independent economists from Bagriy Economics just gone on

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Speaker 4: twenty one minutes after five. This is what Nicola Willis

893
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Speaker 4: had to say on the show last night.

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Speaker 9: But you did ultimately have a brass reduction because they're

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Speaker 9: going to make their steel here.

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Speaker 4: This is not going to be It certainly doesn't sound

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Speaker 4: like Nichola.

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Speaker 23: Willis to me, I'm a mother of four kids and

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Speaker 23: I want to be honest and look them in the eye,

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Speaker 23: and you know, I want to be able to say

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Speaker 23: that we're going to keep New Zealand superannuation sustainable into

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Speaker 23: the future. It seems to me that there will come

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Speaker 23: another time for a conversation about the age of eligibility.

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Speaker 23: But as I say, we don't have a national party

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Speaker 23: position on that right now.

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Speaker 4: And for anyone listening who was listening to Cameron and

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Speaker 4: freaking out thinking, you know, if you're fifty or fifty

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Speaker 4: five and oh my goodness, I'm ten years away, I'm

909
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Speaker 4: fifteen years away from superannuation. Nothing. No government would be

910
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Speaker 4: dumb enough to make a change that would affect you.

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Speaker 4: It's going to affect people who are let's say, in

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Speaker 4: their forties right now, in their thirties right now, who

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Speaker 4: aren't expecting that they will get all in sundry by

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Speaker 4: the time they hit sixty five or sixty seven or seventy,

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Speaker 4: whatever the hell it is, by the time we actually

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Speaker 4: get there. Twenty two minutes after five Newstalks dB.

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Speaker 2: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Ryan First.

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Speaker 2: He's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Let's get connected News.

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Speaker 4: Talks, edb five twenty five. If we're wondering why our

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Speaker 4: politicians keep doing weird, stunty stuff, we need look no

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Speaker 4: further than the system that we use to elect them.

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Speaker 4: First week back in the House for twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 4: it was the Mexican standoff. Remember that the shouting at

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Speaker 4: foreign born MPs in the House. The whole fiasco from

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Speaker 4: New Zealand first dragged out for more than a week.

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Speaker 4: This week it's axe turn. David Seymour wants some spotlight,

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Speaker 4: so he's driven a land driver up the steps of Parliament.

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Speaker 4: Make no mistake, these are intentional publicity stunts from our

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Speaker 4: two minor government partners. They're designed to keep the names

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Speaker 4: of their leaders in the headlines. Disappear from public and

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Speaker 4: you might just disappear from parliament. Just ask Winston after

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Speaker 4: one term with Helen five to eight, and again we

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Speaker 4: just send it from seventeen to twenty. That is the

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Speaker 4: problem with our political system. We don't tend to reward

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Speaker 4: ministers for being just good ministers, do we We reward

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Speaker 4: them for being good campaigners. We use the Winstons of

938
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Speaker 4: the world as either handbrakes or training wheels for bigger parties.

939
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Speaker 4: But once we're done with them, the five percent threshold

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Speaker 4: can crush them into irrelevance like Judith Collins would a

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Speaker 4: Sabaru WRX. So we shouldn't be surprised that our minor

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Speaker 4: parties act out in the way that they do. They're

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Speaker 4: just reminding us that they're there, and in eighteen months

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Speaker 4: time they'll need your vote again, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Cry and Bridge twenty six minutes after five. Now, I

946
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Speaker 4: was chatting about real estate agents yesterday afternoon, and boy

947
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Speaker 4: did we get a lot of feedback about that. So

948
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Speaker 4: apparently some people found it a bit offensive, and I

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Speaker 4: just wanted to clarify. I just wanted to make sure

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Speaker 4: that you know that it was just ingest I was

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Speaker 4: only having a laugh might have come across a bit

952
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Speaker 4: harsh for some. The point I was really trying to

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Speaker 4: make is that the bits we don't like about real

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Speaker 4: estate agents when buying a house are the same bits

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Speaker 4: that we actually really love about them when we're selling

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Speaker 4: a house. So really it is us. It's our human

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Speaker 4: nature that's really the problem when it comes to that issue.

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Speaker 4: Twenty seven minutes after five Huddle is next after News.

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Speaker 2: Everybody moving the big stories of the day orward it's

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Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge on, Heather Duper see Ellen Drive with one.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 12: That'd be.

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Speaker 4: Good evening. It is twenty five away from six year

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Speaker 4: on news Talk said, be some good business news coming.

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Speaker 4: We haven't had a lot of this lately, have we.

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Speaker 4: So we've got some really good business news coming your

967
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Speaker 4: way after six o'clock. This is to do with the

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Speaker 4: Malari and Z mill. This is in Tartarfati. It is reopening.

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Speaker 4: It's coming back under new Ossie ownership. So we'll explain

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Speaker 4: all the details on that after six o'clock. But it

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Speaker 4: is some good news. It does mean that there is

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Speaker 4: a mill opening rather than closing in New Zealand, and

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Speaker 4: it does mean that there are jobs being created to

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Speaker 4: twenty four minutes away from six bread Rich. Let's talk

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Speaker 4: about how Trump's new tariffs are going to affect us

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Speaker 4: here down under. And as we've been talking about, he's

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Speaker 4: putting a blanket twenty five percent tariff on all steel

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Speaker 4: and aluminium entering the United States. New Zealand exported about

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Speaker 4: seventy million dollars worth of aluminium and eighty eight million

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Speaker 4: dollars worth of iron and steel to the States in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. President says the new tara will be

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Speaker 4: a good thing for American consumers.

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Speaker 9: You're going to ultimately have a price reduction because they're

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Speaker 9: going to make this steal here. There's not going to

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Speaker 9: be any tariff. These foreign companies will move to the

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Speaker 9: United States, will make this steal and aluminum in the

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Speaker 9: United States an ultimately little bit cheaper. But we'll also

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Speaker 9: have jobs, many many more.

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Speaker 4: Jobs, publicized Trade and Investment ministries with US now, Minister

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Speaker 4: good evening.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, good evening.

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Speaker 4: So how bad is this for US?

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Speaker 24: Well, it's not at all surprising, and I think I

994
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Speaker 24: probably said that when I was on the show last week,

995
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Speaker 24: and the reason for that is when President Trump came

996
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Speaker 24: to Offers last time, he focused on stealing al aluminium

997
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Speaker 24: and they have particular concerns around the so called steel

998
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Speaker 24: about there where they have a lot of manufacturing and

999
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Speaker 24: they are viewing this unfair competition. So for New Zealand exporters,

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Speaker 24: we will face about an extra five million dollars of

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Speaker 24: tariffs plus or minus. That's on about one hundred and

1002
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Speaker 24: fifty million dollars total of exports. So it's not significant,

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Speaker 24: particularly compared to the amount of beef and wine and

1004
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Speaker 24: other things we sell to them. But we are going

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Speaker 24: to take a little bit of time to have a

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Speaker 24: good look that fully understand it, and then I'll get

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Speaker 24: a bit of advice on whether we should approach the

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Speaker 24: US to seek an exemption, as I see some other countries,

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Speaker 24: including Australia, are considering doing it.

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Speaker 4: You haven't done that already, Well, we haven't.

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Speaker 24: No, we haven't because the announcement is well, because the

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Speaker 24: announcement has just come out there doing.

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Speaker 4: It and they had a cool Albanez he had a

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Speaker 4: call with Trump ahead of the announcement.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, So I think if you look at the amount

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Speaker 24: of steel that the Australians sell to the US, can

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Speaker 24: you compare to us. It's a much larger and more

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Speaker 24: significant part of their trade. So it's not that we're

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Speaker 24: going slow.

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Speaker 1: It's just that.

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Speaker 24: We're talking about five million dollars worth of tariffs, and

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Speaker 24: actually I want to have a really good understanding of

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Speaker 24: that compared to the many other things we sell them before.

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Speaker 4: I understand that it did come on the program. The

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Speaker 4: first thing you said was it was not surprising that

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Speaker 4: it was coming, and you said last time it was coming,

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Speaker 4: I just assumed you would have done some work in

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Speaker 4: the meantime. Do you know what implications it might have

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Speaker 4: for t WY point.

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Speaker 24: Well, actually we have done a lot of work as

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Speaker 24: opposed to not doing any in the meantime.

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Speaker 1: We've done a lot of work on us.

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Speaker 24: But I'm saying to you it's five million dollars worth

1034
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Speaker 24: of additional tariffs compared to you know, the billions of

1035
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Speaker 24: dollars we're selling the mouseware. So we need to one,

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Speaker 24: you know, take that into account. And then secondly, what

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Speaker 24: we also need to do is, you know, look at

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Speaker 24: the overall approach. You asked about ty points. It is

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Speaker 24: going to have some effect upon them. Although very interestingly,

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Speaker 24: when President Trump pulled tariffs on aluminium last time, there

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Speaker 24: was a lot of conversation, particularly with the company that

1042
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Speaker 24: owns that with the US because of the quality of

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Speaker 24: the aluminum.

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Speaker 1: It's very high quality.

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Speaker 24: They don't get it from any other places, and so

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Speaker 24: one of the things we need to do is talk

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Speaker 24: to the owners of that company about exactly their approach

1048
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Speaker 24: to this to make sure that we're not jumping ahead.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's hi. It's high quality aluminium, and it's

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Speaker 4: often used for the defense industry, for which there are

1051
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Speaker 4: a few other supplies. So that's why they were given

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Speaker 4: an exemption last time. But you're saying you haven't even

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Speaker 4: spoken to t y point yet.

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Speaker 24: I know what I'm saying to. What I'm saying to

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Speaker 24: is the announcement was a few hours ago.

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Speaker 4: And we're talking it was coming, remember, minister, and we're.

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Speaker 24: Talking about five million dollars of additional tariffs to give

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Speaker 24: you an example, to give you an example of that,

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Speaker 24: you know, by comparison to the amount of alum milliner

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Speaker 24: we sell them, we sell them one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 24: million dollars worth of pet food up there, so let's

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Speaker 24: keep it in context. Yes, there will be a cost

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Speaker 24: to New Zealand as a result of this, but it

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Speaker 24: is not significant in companion and comparison to the many

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Speaker 24: other things that we sell them. So we haven't had

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Speaker 24: an opportunity to talk to the US yet because it's

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Speaker 24: just been announced. We will take a little bit of

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Speaker 24: time to consider the impact upon us and actually exactly

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Speaker 24: what we right to talk to the US about for

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Speaker 24: that company.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm sure, I'm sure it is a significant number

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Speaker 4: for the likes of t why point it's really targeted

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Speaker 4: at subsidies for steel in China? Does China dump steal?

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Speaker 24: I don't have a view of what they do in

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Speaker 24: the US market. What about how much Dallen they doated

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Speaker 24: zenn Al though they having investigations in the past in

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Speaker 24: that area and the Commerce ministery responsible that has provide

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Speaker 24: information to successive governments.

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Speaker 1: That that is not the case.

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Speaker 24: But we do have the ability to look at that

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Speaker 24: where you know players in our market. I think there's

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Speaker 24: harms being done. I just want to come back to

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Speaker 24: your point. You said you think that that is significant

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Speaker 24: for a t y point, you know, five million dollars

1085
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Speaker 24: is important to any company, but the amount that they

1086
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Speaker 24: export all over the world by comparison to five million

1087
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Speaker 24: dollars in additional tariffs is something we want to have

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Speaker 24: a better understanding of with them.

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Speaker 4: Tom McClay really appreciate your time. Trade and Investment Minister.

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Speaker 4: Just gone nineteen minutes away from.

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Speaker 4: On the hudd of the South Tonoon Auckland Council of

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Speaker 4: Richard Hill's good after, We've good evening actually at this point,

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Speaker 4: how are you good? Thank you? And Jordan Williams is

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Speaker 4: with us the Taxpayers Union.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Jordan, good a.

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Speaker 4: Gents, great to have you both here. We'll start with

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Speaker 4: coming orders. So they're going to start evicting tenants, you know,

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Speaker 4: sooner rather than later, well or not at all, as

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Speaker 4: the case was for unpaid rent Jordan A. Were you

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Speaker 4: surprised at just how much that rent arear's bill had

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Speaker 4: gotten had crept up to during COVID.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, it is sad too that you've got beneficiaries with

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Speaker 25: lumped with huge debts at frankly, they'll never be able

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Speaker 25: to pay I think it's quite in Richard's views on this,

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Speaker 25: because Yep, there's a bit of stick that you know,

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Speaker 25: we're going to start kicking people out of god forbid,

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Speaker 25: they don't pay their rent. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 25: as long as you do and you stick to repayment plans,

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Speaker 25: they're also going to help in wiping some of these

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Speaker 25: unrealistic amounts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like a pretty even handed approach Richard.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, absolutely. I mean the carrot approach of paying off

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Speaker 26: some of the debt. That'll take a lot of stress

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Speaker 26: off people. But I do worry about the kicking people out.

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Speaker 26: Think it's much like the emergency accommodation numbers. I think

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Speaker 26: in Auckland a year or two ago we're up about

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Speaker 26: eight hundred hour down to thirty nine. And I think

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Speaker 26: a lot of local residents know there's a lot more

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Speaker 26: homeless people on the streets and people not accessing houses.

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Speaker 26: So simply kicking people out of caying order homes during

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Speaker 26: very high unemployment benefits being cut, it doesn't really.

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Speaker 25: Make sense benefits are being cut.

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Speaker 4: Don't be silly, well, benefits.

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Speaker 26: Are being cut.

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Speaker 4: We have high traffic system which has takes your wild

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Speaker 4: to get on it.

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Speaker 1: That's quite different.

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Speaker 4: But it's interesting what you've said, because I have actually

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Speaker 4: sort of noticed this a little bit, but that's so anecdotal.

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Speaker 4: Do we actually have numbers on whether we have more

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Speaker 4: people living rough on the street right now than we did,

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Speaker 4: you know, a year ago.

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Speaker 26: So the data is very difficult to show. But you

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Speaker 26: will see around our communities that there's clearly as a need,

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Speaker 26: and our community housing providers tell us that they do

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Speaker 26: not have proof that people are moving from emergency housing

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Speaker 26: or be kicked out of climing order homes and going

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Speaker 26: somewhere else. So there is a big issue out there

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Speaker 26: from the people working at the Cultut Jordan.

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Speaker 4: Clearly we went too far the other way under the

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Speaker 4: last lot, right because we had we went from three

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Speaker 4: point four million dollars in twenty nineteen in rent areas

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Speaker 4: to twenty one million dollars at the beginning of last year.

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Speaker 4: And we just weren't evicting people well, let alone for

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Speaker 4: threatening their neighbors, but you know, for failing to behave

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Speaker 4: rent as well. Yeah, I mean it very clearly.

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Speaker 25: The government also wants to seend a message. You know,

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Speaker 25: there's a new sheriff in town. You look at the

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Speaker 25: how difficult it was to get evicted for antisocial behavior,

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Speaker 25: and the stories we had through the media about neighbors

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Speaker 25: pulling your hair out, that you only need to make

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Speaker 25: an example of a few and it changes behavior.

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Speaker 4: I just want to push back up.

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Speaker 25: Look, Richard, you'll be far more familiar with the with

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Speaker 25: the information coming from social agencies. But there was a

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Speaker 25: some data out from the government a few weeks ago

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Speaker 25: suggesting that the number of people applying for emergency housing

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Speaker 25: was also down significantly. So I would have thought that's

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Speaker 25: a reasonable indication that, you know, if you're homeless, presumably

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Speaker 25: you're at least going to show up on those application figures.

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Speaker 26: It does depend on how they're getting access to applying.

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Speaker 26: I mean, if it just doesn't make sense to me

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Speaker 26: that unemployment is the highest or the biggest jump of

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Speaker 26: fifteen years, as high as it was during COVID. You've

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Speaker 26: got people coming off emergency housing, but there's suddenly this

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Speaker 26: gap and it's all fine. So I think that it's

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Speaker 26: really difficult data to have. And I'm not saying there

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Speaker 26: shouldn't be a contract with these people. You know, you

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Speaker 26: need to pay something, you need to do something. But

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Speaker 26: I do worry about this whole hard and fast. I

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Speaker 26: will just move people on. It'll be fine because we're

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Speaker 26: seeing those social issues on the street and not a

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Speaker 26: lot of new fundings.

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Speaker 25: Sometimes that, for lack of a bit of term, the

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Speaker 25: tough love actually results in better outcomes. I mean, you

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Speaker 25: know these remember these are by definition income.

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Speaker 3: Tied related rent.

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Speaker 25: You know, it's only you only twenty percent of what

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Speaker 25: your income is. It's not an unreasonable expectation to say,

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Speaker 25: you know what, you actually have to pay this amount

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Speaker 25: or we're going to kick you out. This isn't sort

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Speaker 25: of this is on the scale of tough love.

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Speaker 4: It ain't that tough and that is now the clear expectation. Jordan,

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Speaker 4: thank you for that. Jordan Williams Taxpayer and Richard Hill's

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Speaker 4: organ councilor back in just a moment, we're going to

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Speaker 4: talk about Chloe and her lunch boxes.

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Speaker 4: Away from six News Talks, there'll be Richard Hill's Auckland

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Speaker 4: Counselor and Jordan Williams Taxpayer's Union on the huddle this evening.

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Speaker 4: Chloe Swarbrook in the house this afternoon, brought in with

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Speaker 4: her three examples of school lunches, which hadn't been echen.

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Speaker 4: I don't think she'd tried them either, but just by

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Speaker 4: looking at them. But anyway, she was trying to convince

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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister. She brought one for each Luxeon, Seymour

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Speaker 4: and Peters tried to get them to have a little

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Speaker 4: bite and here was Luxeon's response, I'm more.

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Speaker 16: Worried about which children are missing out on those lunches.

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Speaker 4: Aren't you nicked them from? So anyway, she's trying to

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Speaker 4: get them to have a habit taste. People are now

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Speaker 4: asking did you you steal them? You know where they

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Speaker 4: come from. In my mind, Richard, if you are hungry,

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Speaker 4: then you will you know, you'll eat the food. And

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Speaker 4: if you're not hungry, then you shouldn't be getting a

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Speaker 4: school lunch.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I mean, there's a good point out there, I

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Speaker 26: think trying to get Luxeon and Seymour. Although we'll say

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Speaker 26: Chloe seems to have brought luxem and Seymour back together.

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Speaker 26: You know, for the first time in a week or

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Speaker 26: two they've been brawling and fighting and now they have

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Speaker 26: something to agree on. But I mean those first images

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Speaker 26: of those lunches compared to what was being sent out before, sandwiches,

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Speaker 26: fruit like things that kids look like they wanted to eat,

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Speaker 26: to the kind of sloppy nature of and you're probably

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Speaker 26: just being sent the worst images of course, and of

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Speaker 26: course the late ones, but trying to get the Prime

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Speaker 26: Minister to eat them. I don't know if that was

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Speaker 26: the biggest need during the debate, but I think it

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Speaker 26: is worthy of saying, if you are providing these lunches,

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Speaker 26: could they not have been done in the local way.

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Speaker 26: They had a lot of other benefits, not just chucking

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Speaker 26: the lunch across the table out of the van.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if they've chucked them out of

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Speaker 4: a van like minispaper when they were three hours late

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Speaker 4: the last week. I don't know if that's accurate, but

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Speaker 4: there are one hundred million dollars cheaper, right Jordan.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, getting horrible flashbacks to boarding school and the lunch

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Speaker 25: as we get at the hero rhythmonder Son. I mean, look, clearly,

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Speaker 25: I'm not someone to complain about stunts at Parliament. I've

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Speaker 25: just picked up picked up the taxedo for the Jonesy

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Speaker 25: Awards tomorrow. It's a pretty good one for the Greens,

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Speaker 25: but I've really got a question. The Greens and Labor

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Speaker 25: have been putting out emails to their supporters saying, send

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Speaker 25: us pictures of heads disgusting lunch. Well, as I say,

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Speaker 25: I mean, anyone who went to boarding school knows this's

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Speaker 25: you know, most are.

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Speaker 1: But secondly, let's just step back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this brew haha.

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Speaker 25: Over social media from the Labor and the Greens are

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Speaker 25: stirring up from parents saying that you know Johnny had

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Speaker 25: a YACKI lunch. Well, hang on, your job is to

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Speaker 25: send your kids to school with lunch. The text player

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Speaker 25: is fronting up because you're you're not doing that, You're

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Speaker 25: not frankly doing your job as a parent.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got political leaders saying it's not good enough.

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Speaker 1: It seemed to tell me, you know how poor you

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Speaker 1: know poor you.

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Speaker 25: Uh, you know David Seymour has trying to save some

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Speaker 25: money and it's a bit yuck.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry, but do your job. I agree with you,

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, And yeah it does feel like.

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Speaker 26: A little bit like designed to be honest, like you know,

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Speaker 26: all these ungrateful kids now saying that don't want to

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Speaker 26: eat this.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, it's I don't care about

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Speaker 1: the kids. The kids complain.

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Speaker 25: You know, we used to complain about well, no, we

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Speaker 25: used to complain about fish Fridays at school.

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Speaker 1: It was disgusting.

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Speaker 25: But it's the parents sort of an entitlement that annoys me,

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Speaker 25: and the encouragement of it that this is the way

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Speaker 25: that the labor and the greens are gonna This is

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Speaker 25: when new.

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Speaker 26: Scan Obviously the government kept it because I think there

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Speaker 26: is some value in it and all the studies before

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Speaker 26: and overseas where a lot of countries do all the

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Speaker 26: kids get lunch in schools that they learn better, they

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Speaker 26: stay in school, they were likely to turn up to school.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but this idea we agree with. But the idea

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Speaker 4: that they're so starving that they can't learn is absolute

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Speaker 4: b Yes, if they're turning their noses up at the food,

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Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? I mean, they can't

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Speaker 4: be that hungry if they don't like the food anyway.

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Speaker 4: Marha Drysdale, do you think, Richard, are you offended? I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously we're not in Totong, so we can't speak on

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Speaker 4: behalf of the good people of Totong, But do you

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Speaker 4: think it would be outrageous for Amir to live and

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Speaker 4: continue to live outside of the city. Look the two things.

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Speaker 26: One, I think if it's two with schooling of different

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Speaker 26: things than you know, family and politics aside. But if

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Speaker 26: you do look back at the conversations he had with

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Speaker 26: the public, he promised he would move in. I think

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Speaker 26: he's the only mayor in the whole of the country

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Speaker 26: that doesn't live within his council ward and he doesn't

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Speaker 26: seem to have an exact plan of when that's going

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Speaker 26: to be. And I think most people probably expect that

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Speaker 26: he would move in by now. So I think the

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Speaker 26: issue was the promise. And the other thing is you

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Speaker 26: don't have to stand for mayor in a city you

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Speaker 26: don't live in, so it is his exact.

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Speaker 4: Choice to stand.

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Speaker 26: So yep, obviously difficult if you can't find a place

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Speaker 26: for the kids, et cetera. But you didn't have to stand,

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Speaker 26: you didn't have to promise you'd move in, and both

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Speaker 26: of those things he's failing on right now.

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Speaker 1: Jordan, Yeah, what a churncoat.

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Speaker 25: You know, I don't care where as long as I'm mayor,

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Speaker 25: I'm going to stand for this buy election because you know,

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Speaker 25: I can't figure out what else to do. Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 25: of course I'll move my family there and then not

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Speaker 25: Look if if Richard can live on the shore and

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Speaker 25: make the sacrifice of facing those super city rents for

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Speaker 25: the sake of being an Auckland counselor Marhie Drysdale, can

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Speaker 25: you know like and actually moved to Tarong. Sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 25: so again.

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Speaker 26: I've got a very good bus service from the shore,

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Speaker 26: so it has its perks.

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Speaker 4: You know, hey, what's happening while you hear Richard? What's

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Speaker 4: happening with Wayne and I've just forgotten her name? Gucci sunglasses, Gucci, Disney, Gucci?

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Speaker 4: What's happening with them?

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Speaker 20: Do you know?

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Speaker 26: All just mom and dad back friends. There's no issues there,

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Speaker 26: They're all everywhere.

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Speaker 1: How do you have it?

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Speaker 25: How do you have a situation where the deputy mayor

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Speaker 25: hasn't said publicly, she's not standing against the mayor and

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Speaker 25: she remains deputy like it's a bizarre situation.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit odd, it's a bit odd, but they're

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Speaker 4: back friends. That's the main thing.

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Speaker 26: I doing my job for the people of the shore

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Speaker 26: and support all my colors.

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Speaker 4: We have to leave it there. Richard Hill's Jordan Williams

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Speaker 4: on the Huddle News Talks eb It's the.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my ard

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Speaker 2: Radio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 4: EBB, four minutes away from six News Talks. There've been

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Speaker 4: lots of text on the lunches, This one from a teacher,

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Speaker 4: Ryan and man, they came and heat proof black containers.

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Speaker 4: This is the school lunches and they actually taste Okay,

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Speaker 4: I've tried them. All of my class of eight special

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Speaker 4: needs kids ate them today. Chicken curry with rice with

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Speaker 4: a small packet of taco chips to boot. So I

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01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 4: haven't heard of the taco chips before. It's an upgrade,

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Speaker 4: isn't it. Lots more where that came from. Also, great

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Speaker 4: news about a middle opening and tight after the GIBSBM.

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Speaker 4: We'll bring you that after the news.

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Speaker 12: Day.

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Speaker 4: Oh aren't you?

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Speaker 22: I need you?

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Speaker 17: Olga uh.

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Speaker 1: Need These beautiful days? Are Quod's up? What's down?

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Speaker 2: One with a major calls? And how will it affect

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Speaker 2: the economy? The big business questions on the Business Hour

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Speaker 2: with Ryan Bridge and Mass Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth,

1348
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 2: Protect your future?

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Speaker 1: News talks that be good evening.

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Speaker 4: It is six oh seven. Great to have your company

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Speaker 4: brad Olsen coming to us before the news at six

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Speaker 4: point thirty on the west Pack forecast, farmgate milk price.

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Speaker 4: The dairy farmers will be very happy. Jamie McKay is

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Speaker 4: at Parliament why we'll find out also, so we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk to in the Brady out of the UK

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Speaker 4: and find out how much tax after six thirty. Netflix

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Speaker 4: is really playing in New Zealand right now. Some good

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Speaker 4: business news for a change. New owners will reopen tight

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Speaker 4: after his sawmill. This means investment, this means jobs. This

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Speaker 4: is great stuff. The mill ran for thirty years before

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Speaker 4: closing in twenty twenty three, but is now being acquired

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Speaker 4: by Malari, which is an Australian outfit. Before its closure,

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Speaker 4: Shane Wilson worked at the mill for twenty three years.

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Speaker 4: He will return as general manager and he's with me

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Speaker 4: this evening. Hi, Shane, Hey, you rong? How are you feeling?

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Speaker 15: I'm excited excited on en.

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Speaker 4: What is the plan? What have you been told so

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Speaker 4: far about when and how this will happen.

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Speaker 15: So currently we're in the settlement stage of the process.

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Speaker 18: Hopefully you get the.

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Speaker 15: Key handed over to us leader this month. On that

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Speaker 15: key over where we'll be entering site and recommissioning most

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Speaker 15: of the machinery they're suping.

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Speaker 4: It's an awesome outcome. What state is the machinery and

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Speaker 4: where they need to be upgrades and things.

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Speaker 15: There will be a Laura upgrading eventually. The mill is,

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Speaker 15: like you said, thirty years old and it is a

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Speaker 15: leave intensive milk and I'm guessing we'll have to try

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Speaker 15: and get rid of that heavy lifting for our operators.

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Speaker 4: To be honest, What type of reaction have you had

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Speaker 4: from people, especially because there would have been a lot

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Speaker 4: of eighty seven made redundant in twenty twenty three. Have

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Speaker 4: you heard from some of them?

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Speaker 15: I have heard from a lot of them, seen as

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Speaker 15: when public have been getting calls from many seeing chances

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Speaker 15: of me having a position back at the mill, and yeah,

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Speaker 15: it's been awesome. There's been a lot of critical staff

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Speaker 15: also with the technical side of everything they've been bringing up,

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Speaker 15: also trying to secure a position at the up incoming

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Speaker 15: Malari email.

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Speaker 4: Shane, how many routs do you know how many jobs

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Speaker 4: there will be available?

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Speaker 15: Initially? We're going to just need full staff to do

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Speaker 15: all the machinery and recommission most of the machinery with

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Speaker 15: the help of a lot of trade companies contractors coming in. Also,

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Speaker 15: initially we will head towards the eighty eighty people mark.

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Speaker 15: So that's the initial one, and in two years, maybe

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Speaker 15: one year, we'll be heading towards the twenty four seven

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Speaker 15: day operation, which will you around about two hundred to

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Speaker 15: two eighty staff required.

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Speaker 4: Wow, so a lot more, a lot more than the

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Speaker 4: Japanese output. Ended with yes, what's everyone been doing since?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 4: For those people who did lose their jobs, did they

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Speaker 4: all manage to find new jobs in the meantime? I mean,

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Speaker 4: or have people been have some people been kind of

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Speaker 4: without work for that time?

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Speaker 15: Are the ones that I know of have had secured

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Speaker 15: jobs on the day they had finished, Some had finished

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Speaker 15: earlier which went on gardening to secure jobs and Jane

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Speaker 15: looked after them. They did workshops, they did career days

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Speaker 15: on site for the stuff, and a lot of the

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Speaker 15: community help the caman and hired most of them.

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Speaker 4: All good. I'm pleased to hear it, and I'm pleased

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Speaker 4: to hear that there's going to be more jobs to

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Speaker 4: go around for you guys soon. Shane, thanks very much

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Speaker 4: for your time, appreciate it. Shane Wilson, the general manager,

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Speaker 4: of malari en z Mill which is coming back. The

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Speaker 4: mill is coming back to tight after your Gibsbland, which

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Speaker 4: is fantastic. News just got eleven minutes after six here

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Speaker 4: on News Talk z'd b brad Olsen is with us next,

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Speaker 4: talking about that great farmgate milk price forecast from Westpac today.

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Speaker 4: Exactly what is it and what's behind it? That's next.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather duper Cy Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZEBBI.

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Speaker 1: The Rual Report on Heather Duperssy Allen Drive.

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Speaker 4: It is fourteen after six. Great to have you with me.

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Speaker 4: Jamie mckaye, host of the Country, joining us this evening

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Speaker 4: from the backbench and you're at the pub Jamie, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I am Ryan.

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Speaker 12: I haven't even had the bear yet, so you dragged

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Speaker 12: me out just as I was about to samp for

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Speaker 12: my first one. But a big day out on the

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Speaker 12: Big Smoke for the boys from bnedin for the National

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Speaker 12: Lamb Day Barbecue.

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Speaker 5: Today.

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Speaker 12: We broadcast our show from the Speaker's Lawn and then

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Speaker 12: took the opportunity to go in and have a look

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Speaker 12: at question time and it was very entertaining. I heard

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Speaker 12: arry A. Soper talking to Ryan and I must have

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Speaker 12: met It was quite humorous on occasions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you so you would have seen Chloe with

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Speaker 4: the kids lunches, you would have seen the back and

1444
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 4: forth about David Seymour. What was you I mean, did

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01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 4: it look like as much as a circus as it

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01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 4: does sound when you're on when you're on air.

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Speaker 12: Oh, look, it is a circus because there was there's

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Speaker 12: a lot of noise and speaker Jerry Browne was telling

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01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 12: them to be quiet and it did get awey bit

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01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 12: out of control. They were like kids back at boarding

1451
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 12: school after the first day after after holidays. Look, it

1452
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 12: was just good watching some of the I guess, just

1453
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 12: behavior of some of these politicians. Winstant cheekily waving at

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01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 12: the opposition when he's got a good shot, and on

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01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 12: that Seymour, everyone looking at him with daggers, Chloe thinking

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01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 12: she was the cat's pajamas with the school lunches, and

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Speaker 12: then Luxeon and Winston a sort of double teeming her

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Speaker 12: on whether she'd pinched the lunches. Yeah, so it was

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Speaker 12: quite good. But you know, the abiding memory for me

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Speaker 12: is Ryan and I haven't been in Parliament at question

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Speaker 12: times since nineteen ninety five when it all blew up

1462
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 12: over the Martua gardens, sitting in Wanganui and toe Henery

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Speaker 12: went completely off. The things that was most the abiding memories,

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Speaker 12: the Patsy questions. They're appalling. There are an appalling wasted

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 12: time and an appalling waste of taxpayers money. I don't

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 12: know why they go through the motions.

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Speaker 4: Well, the speak Jerry Brown, he tried to tighten them

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Speaker 4: up and he has. He's a lot stricter than previous

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Speaker 4: speakers have been in keeping them to time. But I

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Speaker 4: agree with you. They just feel like they suck the

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Speaker 4: year out of the place, don't they.

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Speaker 22: Oh?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, and honestly they don't really serve any purpose or

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Speaker 12: not that I can see. And I just feel so

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01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 12: incredibly sorry for por Schmuck's and the back benches who

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01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,839
Speaker 12: their only job the day, they're only they're only speaking

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Speaker 12: role for the day is to ask Patsy question. It

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Speaker 12: must be sold to strife.

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Speaker 4: It must be Jamie, you go and enjoy your beer.

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Speaker 4: I won't hold you any longer. Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 4: from the back bench aparty in Wellington. That's Jamie McKay,

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01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 4: who is host of the Country here on News Talks

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01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 4: he'd be just gone seventeen minutes after six. He's right.

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Speaker 4: I used to love going to Question Time and go

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Speaker 4: down there like kind of geekerly. But during university I

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01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 4: would go down and watch question Time. Used to go

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Speaker 4: with my grandma often as well. It's free for a start,

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Speaker 4: so you don't have to pay anything to go in there.

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Speaker 4: Obviously it's entertaining. Lest it was entertaining. It sounds like

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Speaker 4: Jamie had had a good time, but maybe not a

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Speaker 4: great time. At seventeen after six, brad Olsen is with

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Speaker 4: us next on the fortunes of our dairy farmers.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Ryan Rich and Their's insurance Men,

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01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: Grow your wealth, Protect your future.

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Speaker 4: News Talks v twenty after six on News Talks ZB

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Speaker 4: you'll tell you what someone has robbed an armor guard

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Speaker 4: van in the last this afternoon, just after two thirty

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Speaker 4: this afternoon on the North Shore. And I always wondered,

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Speaker 4: you know, when you see them driving around and you

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Speaker 4: look at the deprivation that's going on in some plants

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Speaker 4: in New Zealand, you think, man, I'm sure those things

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Speaker 4: would be getting robbed a lot more often and anyway,

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Speaker 4: apparently someone took off on foot. No one was injured, thankfully.

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Speaker 4: They don't know how much was taken, but we'll keep

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Speaker 4: you up to date. Now News bulletins has just gone

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Speaker 4: twenty one after six now. Brad Olsen, the Prime Minister,

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01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 4: was grilled about his poor poll numbers on his morning

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Speaker 4: media around this morning, and he kept quoting one economist

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Speaker 4: when promising that things will get better. Yeah, it is

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Speaker 4: this some you know, some green sheets.

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Speaker 16: I mean I saw, you know, Brad Olsen saying by

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Speaker 16: the end of the you know, by the end of

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Speaker 16: the year, did we forty five million dollars extra week

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Speaker 16: and kiwis pockets to spend in the economy? That's all

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Speaker 16: good stuff as interest rates come down.

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Speaker 4: Brad Olson is of course Infametrics principal economisties with us

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Speaker 4: this evening high Brad, good evening. So in reference to

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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister's comments, when will we be feeling better,

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Speaker 4: how will we be feeling about the economy by the

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Speaker 4: end of the year. Yeah, I mean we do.

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Speaker 27: Expect things to continually get better. Of course, those interest

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Speaker 27: rates are coming down, but it takes a bit of

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Speaker 27: time for everyone to refix onto them. And at the

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Speaker 27: same time, you know, data out recently showed that the

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Speaker 27: unemployment rate has been going up. So I do think

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Speaker 27: we're in that odd period and very challenging period still

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Speaker 27: where there's a lot of hurt and a lot of

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Speaker 27: economic challenge around, but there are those grander shoots showing through.

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Speaker 27: The Prime Minister referenced one of the numbers that we've

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Speaker 27: recently quoted when we looked at our latest economic forecast,

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Speaker 27: which is that by the end of this year, we

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Speaker 27: expect around forty five million dollars a week more to

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Speaker 27: be available for households to spend out in the economy

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Speaker 27: that previously they had to put on those much higher

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Speaker 27: mortgage rates. So that's certainly helping, and you're starting to

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Speaker 27: see that in some areas across business, you're starting to

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Speaker 27: see the likes of job ads that have plataued out

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Speaker 27: and so but in reference, I mean you mentioned Ryan

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Speaker 27: that some of those Pole results, it was interesting some

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Speaker 27: of them last night showing the likes of household's economic

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Speaker 27: outlook as well. Households are saying that you know, there's

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01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 27: still nearly a quarter that are saying they expect things

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01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 27: to be worse in a year's time, and given the

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Speaker 27: interest rates are coming down, that's of course quite concerning.

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Speaker 27: So it shows that the economic recovery is not going

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01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 27: to be balanced across everyone. There are some definite differences

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Speaker 27: across but we are a lot more confident, and that

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01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 27: comes after some pretty difficult economic times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the RBNS dead where everyone sort of expecting a

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01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 4: half a percent when they go to meet next week.

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Speaker 4: But after that, do you expect that they will signal

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Speaker 4: or maybe even during the meeting will signal that they

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01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 4: will go further before November, you know, perhaps even further

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Speaker 4: than what we predict.

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Speaker 27: Well, in a sense, we're actually wondering at infometrics the opposite,

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Speaker 27: and this has been a slightly more controversial view than

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01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 27: we thought it would be when we started talking about it,

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Speaker 27: But we wonder looking at some of the pressure out

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Speaker 27: there in the economy. You look at the likes of

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Speaker 27: important inflation fears, the fact that the New Zealand dollar

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Speaker 27: is down, you know, quite a bit against the US

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Speaker 27: over the last couple of months. The fact that in

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Speaker 27: the latest A and Z Business Outlook survey there were

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Speaker 27: a higher proportion of businesses saying they expect to get

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Speaker 27: higher cost increases in the next couple of months. None

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Speaker 27: of that's sort of good for longer term inflationary trends.

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Speaker 27: So we actually wonder if, yep, the Reserve Bank goes

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Speaker 27: by fifty in February, but they might well signal that

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Speaker 27: there's not quite as many cuts left in the tank

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Speaker 27: after that.

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Speaker 25: End.

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Speaker 27: Of course, we've seen retail banks the last couple of

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Speaker 27: weeks cutting their interest rates back quite a bit, and

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Speaker 27: so it wouldn't surprise us if you saw the Reserve

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Speaker 27: Bank cut the official cash rate, but maybe not quite

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Speaker 27: as many cuts to retail rates because the banks have

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Speaker 27: already priced some of them in. Now that's not to

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01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 27: say that the economy won't continue to get better, but

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Speaker 27: there is just that open question of sort of, you know,

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Speaker 27: are we where are we trying to get to? Are

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01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 27: we trying to get back to sort of a more

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Speaker 27: normal level of growth not or are we able to

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Speaker 27: supercharge it ahead. At the moment, we're still worried that,

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Speaker 27: you know, we get growth back to just sort of

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01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 27: plodding along, and I think everyone's quite clear they'd like

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Speaker 27: to see more than that.

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Speaker 4: What's your take on what is good news from Westpac today?

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01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 4: Predicting that those dairy prices will stay above ten dollars

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Speaker 4: this year. What's your take on that?

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Speaker 27: Oh, look very encouraging, and I think, you know, we've

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01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 27: been expecting for a couple of months now that a

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01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 27: lot of the economic recovery that we're starting to come through. Yep,

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01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 27: it'll be driven by households. But at the same time,

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01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 27: those rural and provincial parts of New Zealand really are

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01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 27: starting to get a little bit more momentum showing through.

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Speaker 27: I've spent the last couple of days traveling around parts

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Speaker 27: of South Island, through the West Coast and Canterbury, and

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Speaker 27: there's certainly been a little bit more activity than I

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Speaker 27: feel like I saw towards the end of last year,

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01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 27: certainly the middle of twenty twenty four, and that just

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Speaker 27: suggests it's a little bit more confidence starting to come through.

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Speaker 27: The difficulty is, you know, we're not seeing the economy

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01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 27: absolutely rip roaring, like no one's saying that, But equally

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01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 27: we're not in the same doldrums. I think that we

1606
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 27: were going back a year ago and trying to find

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01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 27: that new economic goldilock zone is going to be important,

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Speaker 27: and I think we're starting to get a little bit

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01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 27: more clarity on where that might be. It's better, but

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Speaker 27: it's not fantastic and just hell raising all of a sudden,

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Speaker 27: all that quickly.

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Speaker 4: Brad, thank you very much for that. Brad Olson informentric

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Speaker 4: principal economist off quoted by the Prime Minister. Twenty five

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Speaker 4: minutes after six, Ryan Bridge, your on news talks here.

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Speaker 4: B Inbicagol apparently disappeared off Google Maps today and the

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Speaker 4: first to notice was the Inmbicargol City Council and they

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Speaker 4: posted on their Facebook page hello, anyone out there in

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Speaker 4: Bicargol has managed off Google Match. No one actually can

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Speaker 4: explain at this point why it happened. The Herald has

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01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 4: reached out to Gurgle for a comment, but I don't know.

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01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 4: Maybe they update it every now and then and then

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01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 4: occasionally something falls off and it just so happens. In

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Speaker 4: this case, it was in the Cargol that fell off.

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Speaker 4: Twenty six minutes after six, You're on news talks there

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Speaker 4: b coming up after news, We're going to talk about Netflix. Gosh,

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Speaker 4: I watch a lot of Netflix in the evenings. I've

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Speaker 4: noticed lately when I get home from work, nothing better.

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Speaker 4: But how much tax are they paying here? If anything,

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Speaker 4: we'll look into that. Also, we're going to end to Brady,

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Speaker 4: who's a UK correspondent. Twenty six up six Baby, you

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Speaker 4: blame me.

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Speaker 1: Baby, I blame you.

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Speaker 22: That ain't true.

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Speaker 4: It ain't like God to make this coming mess up

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Speaker 4: by myself.

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Speaker 6: I'm back like you mind meself.

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Speaker 1: By week if you go and tell they said, see

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Speaker 1: one makes.

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Speaker 12: Some train.

1640
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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 2: It's Ryan Bradge with the business our and mas insurance

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Speaker 2: and investments.

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Speaker 1: Grew your wealth, protect your future. The newstalks dB.

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Speaker 4: Good Evening, twenty five minutes away from the seven News

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01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:24,839
Speaker 4: talk SAVB. Now Netflix. There are questions about the global

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01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 4: streaming giant and how much tax it is actually paying

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01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 4: here in New Zealand. We've got one point three million

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01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 4: Netflix users in New Zealand paying at least eighteen dollars

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01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 4: fifty a month each. The company apparently doesn't meet the

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01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 4: eleven million revenue threshold to make finances public, which would

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01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 4: indicate a small tax bill. Edward Miller is a researcher

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01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 4: at the Center for International Corporate Tax Accountability. He's gould

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Speaker 4: meet this evening high Edward Sheldo great to be with it,

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Speaker 4: So how much do they make here?

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Speaker 11: Do we know?

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Speaker 20: No, we don't know that information. If you look at

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01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 20: what Netflix files in Australia, they their their filings say

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01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 20: that they earn revenue of one point one five billion

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01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 20: dollars in Australia, but in New Zealand the revenue that

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01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 20: they earn here is less than eleven million dollars, which

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01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 20: basically means or appears to mean that the revenue is

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Speaker 20: being booked in another jurisdiction, not in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: How do you do that? How do you book your

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01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 4: revenue elsewhere? Legally?

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Speaker 20: It's a great question and one that should be should

1666
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 20: be sitting in front of the IRD because if they

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01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 20: can't do it in Australia, then why can they do

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Speaker 20: it here. The Australian Tax Office has had a more

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Speaker 20: muscular approach to investigating multinationals. So it might be that

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01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 20: Netflix feels that they can't get away with as much

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Speaker 20: in Australia as they can here under the ir D.

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Speaker 20: But if you're a Netflix user in New Zealand, you're

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Speaker 20: paying for a service that's being delivered in New Zealand,

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01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 20: it's being consumed in New Zealand. I think it's the

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01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 20: fair thing to be asking why is the revenue thing

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01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 20: in what appears to be another jurisdiction.

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Speaker 4: They've been this is authorities and other districtions like Europe.

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Speaker 4: They've been raiding Netflix offices in Paris and they've been

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01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 4: doing it in Amsterdam. What exactly are they investigating them

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Speaker 4: for there?

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Speaker 20: So that investigation they raided the Paris and Amsterdam offices

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01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 20: because what happened in the French filings is that Netflix

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Speaker 20: revenue jumped from very little to a lot in subsequent years,

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01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 20: So they are investigating subsequent years of which in Netflix

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01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 20: appears to be booking revenue that had been earned in

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Speaker 20: France from French Netflix users in the Netherlands. And that's

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Speaker 20: my suspicion that what is happening in France is probably

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Speaker 20: very similar to what's happening here because the parent company

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Speaker 20: of the New Zealand Netflix subsidiary is the same company

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Speaker 20: in Netflix International dv I see incorporated in the Netherlands.

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Speaker 4: Right, given that our government and is looking at corporate

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Speaker 4: tax rate here in New Zealand and particularly as it

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Speaker 4: relates to multinationals, trying to get them become here, etc.

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Speaker 4: Is this related to that? I mean, is this something

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01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 4: that we should be potentially looking at alongside a change

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Speaker 4: to our corporate tax right.

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Speaker 20: I think it's a great wake up, Paul Ryan, for

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Speaker 20: us to start thinking about what the relationships are about

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01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 20: services being delivered in New Zealand, about revenue being booked

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Speaker 20: in New Zealand or otherwise, and about whether we can

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01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 20: tax that revenue, whether it's being derived from New Zealand

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01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 20: or otherwise. I don't think we have enough information to

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01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 20: be able to make a clear call that we can

1704
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 20: confidently say that we can cut the corporate tax right,

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01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 20: because it appears that foreign multinationals have lots of tools

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Speaker 20: at their disposal to be able to shift profits that

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Speaker 20: are earned in New Zealand to other jurisdictions where they

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Speaker 20: are taxed at a lower rate.

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Speaker 4: How did you start Why did you start looking into

1710
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 4: this to do with Netflix in particular and New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: What kind of got you into I.

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Speaker 20: Saw these stories coming out from France or from at

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Speaker 20: Front and Amsterdam, and I thought that's interesting. I'm just

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Speaker 20: going to search in the company's register and see what

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Speaker 20: the ownership relations of the Netflix subsidiary here, and that's

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Speaker 20: when I saw that it was the exact same company,

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Speaker 20: and I thought, oh, there's a story here. I took

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Speaker 20: a look at the Australian filings because I could get those,

1719
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Speaker 20: and I tried to take a look at the New

1720
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Speaker 20: Zealand filings and they simply weren't there. And if you

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Speaker 20: sort of do some basic back of the envelope calculations,

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Speaker 20: you know you were talking about one point three million

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Speaker 20: subscribers paying eighteen fifty. I mean, some of those will

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Speaker 20: be paying seven fifty because they're sort of the piggybacks

1725
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 20: that can use a subscribers. But any way you slice

1726
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Speaker 20: up the apple into the number of subscribers on them

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Speaker 20: out they're paying, you're looking at hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 20: dollars of revenue that should be being booked in New Zealand,

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Speaker 20: which is definitely nor than the eleven million dollar threshold

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Speaker 20: that foreign owned companies are required to report at. So

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Speaker 20: I started looking at that and then trying to look

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Speaker 20: at the Dutch filings and the British filings and get

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Speaker 20: a sense of what's happening in the company. I don't

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Speaker 20: have the sine of the answers, but it seems very

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Speaker 20: clear that the revenue of Netflix subscribers that being consumed

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Speaker 20: here in New Zealand is not being booked here in

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Speaker 20: New Zealand, and I think it's a cause for concern.

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Speaker 20: And as you say, in terms of the international investment position,

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Speaker 20: it seems that there's no clear relationship that exists around

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Speaker 20: the economic activity that's taking place here and the tax

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Speaker 20: revenues that's being booked here, and that we need to

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Speaker 20: zoom out us some more questions and start to think

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Speaker 20: about whether we need more transparency about these things before

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Speaker 20: we go and cut the corporate tax.

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Speaker 4: Edward, thank you very much for that. Edward Miller, who's

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Speaker 4: a research at the Center for International Corporate Tax and

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Speaker 4: Accountability Research, who's had a look at a little look

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Speaker 4: into Netflix. I mean, obviously you don't really know, and

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Speaker 4: what you don't know, what you don't know, right, but

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Speaker 4: less than an eleven million dollars in revenue, No one's

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Speaker 4: buying that, are they? Nineteen minutes away from seven on

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Speaker 4: news talks they've been coming up next, we're going to

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Speaker 4: end well before the top of the hour. I should say,

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Speaker 4: we'll go to ende Brady in the UK. Lots to

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Speaker 4: talk about with him, because there's lots been happening the

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Speaker 4: UK is getting tough on, even tougher, I should say,

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Speaker 4: in deporting illegal immigrants over there. We spoke yesterday about this.

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Speaker 4: There are new measures and rules out joining the EU

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Speaker 4: fight against Trump's tariffs. So that's interesting from Kirstarma. He's saying, no, no,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I'm not going to sit with you

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Speaker 4: guys and throw rocks at the White House. I'm going

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Speaker 4: to go my own way. We'll talk to Endo about

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Speaker 4: that next nineteen to seven.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics. It's all

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Speaker 2: on the business hours with Ryan Bridge and theirs. Insurance

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Speaker 2: and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future talk b.

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Speaker 4: Sixteen away from seven on News Talk said be Harry

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Speaker 4: has a text in the program to say, do you

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Speaker 4: know when the OCR gets reviewed this months? Next Wednesday

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Speaker 4: is the OCR monetary policy statement. So we'll find out

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Speaker 4: a two pm from memory it is two pm, so

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Speaker 4: we'll have some kind of indication by a round five

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Speaker 4: past right, just gone sixteen away from seven. Now we're

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Speaker 4: going to Inde Brady, a UK correspondent in the Good

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Speaker 4: Evening to you.

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Speaker 28: Hey, Ryan, good to speak to you again.

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Speaker 4: Good to speak to you too. So the UK getting

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Speaker 4: even taffer on deporting illegal immigrants. What's the lightest there.

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Speaker 28: So what's behind this is the rise of the Reform

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Speaker 28: Party led by Nigel Farage and he obviously every time

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Speaker 28: he speaks pretty much speaks about migrants, immigration, the state

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Speaker 28: of the country and how the government is failing on this.

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Speaker 28: So what really I think is driving Starmer and pushing

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Speaker 28: their hands the fact that Reform in the most recent

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Speaker 28: national poll went one percent above Labor Reformer on twenty

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Speaker 28: five percent. Now this is a party with only five

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Speaker 28: members and yet everyone's talking about them. They get a

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Speaker 28: lot of media coverage. So overnight what we've seen is

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Speaker 28: the UK government announced it since Labour came to power

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Speaker 28: last July, they have deported nineteen thousand people out of

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Speaker 28: the UK, from failed asylum seekers to illegal immigrants, people

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Speaker 28: who've come across in those dinghies from France and foreign

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Speaker 28: criminals who've been released from prison. And Labor are saying

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Speaker 28: that this is the highest this figure has been in

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Speaker 28: this short space of time for about eight years, so

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Speaker 28: they're claiming the credit for that. And in addition, they've

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Speaker 28: also released a video on social media showing someone arriving

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Speaker 28: in the UK, someone getting detained at a property and

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Speaker 28: then put on a jet back to their home country,

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Speaker 28: basically the journey of an illegal immigrant. So Labor making

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Speaker 28: the point that they are making progress on this, but

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Speaker 28: obviously not quick enough for Nigel Farage.

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Speaker 4: Now calling it feeble. And because I was writting an

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Speaker 4: article the other day, they were around six hundred thousand.

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Speaker 4: Were in estimates of six hundred thousand illegal migrants in

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Speaker 4: London alone at the moment.

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Speaker 28: Yes, yes, And what we're seeing is, you know, the

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Speaker 28: government going rounding up a couple dozen people who work

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Speaker 28: in nail bars and then releasing this in the media.

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Speaker 28: You know, yeah, it's a huge, huge problem here. But

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Speaker 28: I think what they need to be doing is cracking

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Speaker 28: down on the businesses and the criminal enterprises who are

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Speaker 28: making money off these people's backs. You know, a lot

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Speaker 28: of these people are it's modern slavery in some cases.

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Speaker 1: And what we need to see is.

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Speaker 28: A far more joined up approach from all the authorities

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Speaker 28: to crack down on the people who are making millions

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Speaker 28: and millions every week off the back of these people.

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Speaker 4: The EU is saying they're going to fight back against

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Speaker 4: Trump's terraces and kiss dam are you lot saying well,

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Speaker 4: we're not joining you, you're on your own.

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Speaker 1: Yes, precisely that.

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Speaker 28: So this is a very awkward situation now where France

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Speaker 28: and Germany are very much on the same page. Schultz

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Speaker 28: and Macron have both come out this morning and said, okay,

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Speaker 28: you put twenty five percent tariffs on European steel, and

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Speaker 28: our steel going into America will do the same, and

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Speaker 28: everything that comes out of America with stealing it. A

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Speaker 28: Starmer has been trying to build bridges, build or a

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Speaker 28: lationship with Trump and not fall out with him. British

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Speaker 28: steel with the British steels on its knees as it is,

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Speaker 28: I mean, this would be not the final nail in

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Speaker 28: the coffin. This will be pushing the coffin into the

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Speaker 28: incinerator in the crematorium if we end up with twenty

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Speaker 28: five percent tarrets on British steel. So Starmer is at

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Speaker 28: pains to avoid upsetting Trump and hoping that they can

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Speaker 28: negotiate some sort of exemption. Apparently Australia is getting an

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Speaker 28: exemption because Trump feels they have a trade surplus and

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Speaker 28: that the Australians are not causing the Americans a problem.

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Speaker 28: So I think Starmer will be doing anything he can

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Speaker 28: to avoid twenty five percent tax being whacked on British steel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, and you can understand why. Still mystery around

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Speaker 4: the deaths of this British couple have been found in France.

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Speaker 4: What do we know about what's happened or the latest theory.

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Speaker 1: So this is Andy and Dawn Cyle.

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Speaker 28: They were living in a tiny little hamlet, not even

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Speaker 28: a village, tiny beautiful little hamlets, about two hours north

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Speaker 28: of Tulu, who's in southern France, and they were both

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Speaker 28: found dead over the weekend, huge police investigation. Dawn Cerle

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Speaker 28: was found beaten to death outside the property and her

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Speaker 28: husband was found dead inside the property. Now the police

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Speaker 28: theories range from was it a murder suicide? Their friends

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Speaker 28: are saying, there's categorically no way they killed each other,

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Speaker 28: or one or the other, you know whatever. Their friends

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Speaker 28: are saying they were happy, very very happy, no financial problems,

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Speaker 28: and they were living their best life in France. They'd

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Speaker 28: learned French, they had many friends in the area, and

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Speaker 28: they'd completely integrated themselves into a beautiful part of southern France.

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Speaker 28: So their friends are saying that quite clearly they've been murdered.

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Speaker 28: Now one theory police are looking at in France. Andy Cyril,

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Speaker 28: when he worked in the UK, was a financial crimes

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Speaker 28: investigator and French police are wondering is it some criminal

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Speaker 28: in the UK who has tracked him down? But people

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Speaker 28: in the banking world they're saying, actually, all this kind

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Speaker 28: of financial crime investigation is quite anonymous and criminals would

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Speaker 28: never know who was investigating them anyway, because it's all

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Speaker 28: done behind computer screens. So right now it is a

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Speaker 28: mystery area sealed off and French police in charge of

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Speaker 28: the investigation. But families devastated at the loss of two

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Speaker 28: fine people.

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Speaker 4: It's awful and you would hope for some quick answers

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Speaker 4: for those family members too, And to thank you very

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Speaker 4: much for that. Lovely to have you on as always

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Speaker 4: Into Brady, a UK correspondent. It has just gone ten

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Speaker 4: away from seven on News Talks HBB.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show

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Speaker 2: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk.

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Speaker 4: ZIBB News Talk ib It is eight minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 4: A little three issues, three techs. I'll start with this

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Speaker 4: one from Larry which is just coming. This is on

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Speaker 4: school lunches. We've been talking about this today because Chloe

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01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 4: got it into the into the question time Ryan. Regarding

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01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 4: overseas school lunches, it is a fiction that everybody gets

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Speaker 4: a free lunch overseas. My English grandson occasionally gets them,

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Speaker 4: but his parents have to pay. Often he takes a

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Speaker 4: home provided lunch. They aren't rich, tiny two bedroom home,

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Speaker 4: but they work so they pay. Larry, thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: On tariffs, this listener says, Hi Ryan, I think about

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Speaker 4: the tariffs. It's about picking your battles with Trump. There

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Speaker 4: are other sectors with far more significant exports into the

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Speaker 4: United States, not undermining the steel and aluminium. But we

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Speaker 4: need to be strategic. That's a good point. And this

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Speaker 4: one from Kevin I quite like. On superannuation, so we

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Speaker 4: were talking and Cameron Baggery, the economist, is on the

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Speaker 4: program saying, you know, it's unaffordable going into the future,

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Speaker 4: the superannuation. So we've got to do something about it.

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Speaker 4: We either increase the age or we means test it.

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Speaker 4: And one of the ideas he had was depending on

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Speaker 4: your the length of your expected life expectancy, that would

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Speaker 4: depend how much you get. Kevin says Hi Royan. If

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Speaker 4: women live three years longer, let them work to sixty

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Speaker 4: eight so they enjoy as much pension as men. It's

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Speaker 4: fair because men die sooner. I mean, that is true.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how they'd feel about that. You're on

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Speaker 4: news talk sare'd be I am going to be away

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Speaker 4: for the next three days, but back with you here

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Speaker 4: on Drive from Monday. Thank you very much for listening,

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Speaker 4: for all of your feedback, all of your texts and

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Speaker 4: all of your emails. And what are we going out

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Speaker 4: to tonight?

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Speaker 21: Don't look back in anger by Oasis to play us

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Speaker 21: out tonight. You remember that story you were telling us

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Speaker 21: last night about the people buying tickets to Oasis and

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Speaker 21: getting them refunded because of their accused of being bots.

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Speaker 21: So Ticketmaster reckon that all of those tickets were bought

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Speaker 21: by bots and the real people who've got them now

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Speaker 21: brought them off resale sites. They haven't said this, they've

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Speaker 21: implied it in their press release. Brought them off resale sites,

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Speaker 21: off a bot and that's why they were like, well,

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Speaker 21: we told you all not to use resale sites anyway.

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Speaker 21: This nice lady Karen Kelly on Twitter or x as

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Speaker 21: it's called now, she hit up Liam Gallaghan saying, Liam,

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Speaker 21: what do you think of the ticket situation? Thinking fans

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Speaker 21: of bots and getting their money returned, and Liam responded with,

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Speaker 21: I don't make the rule. We're trying to do the

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Speaker 21: right thing. It is what it is. I'm the singer,

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Speaker 21: Get off my case. Which is I think about as

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Speaker 21: helpful as you can expect one of the Gallagher brothers

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Speaker 21: to be.

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Speaker 4: But I suppose at least he responded well, at least

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Speaker 4: he's honest too. I mean, it wasn't far from his job.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thanks everyone, See you next Monday.

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Speaker 5: She knows well, you know.

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Speaker 9: No where.

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Speaker 3: Cannot go.

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Speaker 10: Where she knows.

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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessye Alan Drive.

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