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Speaker 1: With the John and Ben Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Cheers to Dilma making the world a bitter tea.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Julia, good morning.

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Speaker 4: Lovely to have you, lovely to hear you adults at

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Speaker 4: tones again?

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Speaker 2: Oh please?

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Speaker 1: Have you missed us or you've been privately investigating us?

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Speaker 3: On the side, I'm always investigating you, guys.

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Speaker 1: You know that you found.

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Speaker 3: Whole pile of sock?

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Speaker 1: Have you found my sock? Julia? Because you know we've

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Speaker 1: got touch with you, like, look for my sock? Have

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Speaker 1: you found it?

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Speaker 3: I found more than your sock?

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Speaker 5: Got some dirty laundry? Is the main reason why people

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Speaker 5: get in touch with you.

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Speaker 1: Let's put socks aside for the moment. What's the main

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Speaker 1: reason people get in touch with you?

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Speaker 3: Because they know something's wrong, They feel it with every

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Speaker 3: sense of their body, no matter what it is, and

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Speaker 3: they just want someone to confirm it for them.

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Speaker 2: What percentage of people who come to you with an

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Speaker 2: inkling are actually correct?

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Speaker 3: Pretty much? Ninety nine percent?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: But the one thing is, and I don't know whether

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Speaker 3: I've mentioned this to you guys before, the reason probably

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Speaker 3: we tend to talk about men more, or people assume

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Speaker 3: men play around more, which they don't women play around

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Speaker 3: just as much men. Oh look, you're onto it, but

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Speaker 3: and guys just they are the ones that don't have

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Speaker 3: a plan and they get that's why they get caught,

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Speaker 3: whereas women tend not to get caught.

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Speaker 4: So women are harder to catch.

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Speaker 6: So do you get to the percentage of your clientele

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Speaker 6: Is it a split between you know, men and women

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Speaker 6: coming to you to investigate their partners or.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's probably more women because they because men don't

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Speaker 3: realize it, but they give the show away quite quickly,

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Speaker 3: quite easily. They'll say things, and they'll say things that

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Speaker 3: make a woman think, oh, I wasn't even thinking about that,

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Speaker 3: but now you've mention of that. Maybe I should, you know,

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Speaker 3: whereas a woman knows, try and keep your behavior, this

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Speaker 3: behavior the same as it's always been. And if you

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Speaker 3: want to talk about it, talk about it to a girlfriend.

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Speaker 3: So you're not going to say anything you shouldn't at home.

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Speaker 4: Women's intuition, she was the problems. We're dealing with the

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Speaker 4: smartest species and we cannot compect.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm do you know what? I'd like that to

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Speaker 3: go on record because that is actually the truth. And

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Speaker 3: I think as time goes on, more people will really

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Speaker 3: realize that.

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Speaker 2: Alside, like men aren't. You're not great at picking up

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Speaker 2: on the cues, even down to you know, like us

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Speaker 2: dropping him and what we want for our birthday or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You're just not really picking up on the hints. So

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Speaker 2: that I guess that's part of it too.

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Speaker 3: Oh totally. Look, you know, you know yourself. You could

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Speaker 3: come home and you've changed your hair or you've done

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Speaker 3: just wouldn't even notice until you say, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: And they oh, well, I was going to mention that,

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Speaker 3: you know, as if they did notice it, but of

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Speaker 3: course if they didn't. So that is why women pick

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Speaker 3: up on subtle little things, really subtle things that men

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Speaker 3: just don't. And and look, we do deal with a

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Speaker 3: lot of men, but often they'll come to us when

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Speaker 3: it's perhaps the affair or the relationship is coming to

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Speaker 3: an end, because that's how long it takes them to

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Speaker 3: pick up on the cues. And I'm not and I'm

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Speaker 3: not being disparaging or it is just a fact of

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Speaker 3: the difference is between the sexes, that's all.

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Speaker 6: What what is then? You know, you've caught so many

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Speaker 6: cheetahs over the years. What what is the common the

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Speaker 6: common theme, the common reason that people stray from the relationship.

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Speaker 3: I think it's, well, look it's I think it's in

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Speaker 3: your DNA because often and other the way you say,

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Speaker 3: I have been doing this. I run the company, My

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Speaker 3: investigators are out there doing the catching.

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Speaker 1: Don't get your hands dirty.

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Speaker 3: I'm not silly, but I think what it is we

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Speaker 3: find it's I think it's more in your DNA, A

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Speaker 3: bit like people like Tiger Woods. You know, people like

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Speaker 3: that that it's there no matter what you do, it's

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Speaker 3: not going to stop. So I have clients that repeat clients,

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Speaker 3: and they might have started I've been doing this for

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Speaker 3: thirty years now, so they may have started off in

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Speaker 3: their thirties coming to me, but still dealing with the

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Speaker 3: same thing, you know, thirty years later. And what we

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Speaker 3: find as people get older stick. If you put up

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Speaker 3: with this, and you continually put up with it, and

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Speaker 3: you try and forgive and make it work, and that

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Speaker 3: your partner knows you can get away with it, usually

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Speaker 3: at the end they do leave you for the love

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Speaker 3: of one of their flings. They actually do leave you.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about the old adage once to cheat,

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Speaker 2: it always a cheatah cheatah ever changes as spots.

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Speaker 3: I think cheetahs can change their spots because but it

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Speaker 3: comes down to something really simple. You know, we do

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Speaker 3: a lot of Christmas parties and you see some odd

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Speaker 6: You do awkward conversation, not knowing how you to talk

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Speaker 6: to your boss, that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 5: Probably more other than that, but that's right, that's slightly odd.

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Speaker 3: And the thing is, it's you know, we had one

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Speaker 3: guy that did do something that he shouldn't have. But

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Speaker 3: what I thought was so good about him? Has he

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Speaker 3: actually fested up to his wife and he said, I

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Speaker 3: totally screwed up. I really did, And he told her

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Speaker 3: now that marriage survived and that marriage is fine. It's

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Speaker 3: really good. It actually got stronger because he fessed up.

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Speaker 3: She didn't have to find out, she didn't have to

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Speaker 3: plead with him to go to counseling. You know, he

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Speaker 3: made all the changes himself on his own. And that's

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Speaker 3: where you know you have got someone who is going

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Speaker 3: to work it out and not do it again.

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Speaker 5: So you've got people obviously that work for you finding

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Speaker 5: evidence and stuff. What sort of evidence are they finding?

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Speaker 5: Is it sort of like they're taking photos? Was sitting

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Speaker 5: outside people's properties. I mean, how does that sort of

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because the privacy actor is pretty tight here.

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Speaker 3: So the one thing that does work is surveillance, you know,

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Speaker 3: the eye on it. It is the best form of

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Speaker 3: investigating is to have the eyes of the investigator on

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Speaker 3: the subject. So it's actually, yeah, it's surveillance that's what

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Speaker 3: turns up everything. And like I say, at Christmas parties,

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Speaker 3: people tend to have a few drinks and wander out

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Speaker 3: to the car park and you know, open the car

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Speaker 3: leaves the lights on, and kisses someone that they shouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, it's easy stuff like that, and bang,

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Speaker 3: there's your photo, there's your that's it.

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Speaker 6: Has there been an instance where you've been on a

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Speaker 6: case and you've been tailing the person it's like, oh, no,

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Speaker 6: they just have a secret addiction to badminton or something

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Speaker 6: that they didn't want to share.

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Speaker 3: Well funny you say that, because we had one case

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Speaker 3: that was quite funny where this guy would go through

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Speaker 3: one of my investigators looked like a Viking, and he said,

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Speaker 3: I can't hang around here. I look like a bloody pedophile.

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Speaker 3: And but anyway, he followed this guy, and this guy

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Speaker 3: went on a twenty minute bushwalk out to a nudist speech.

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Speaker 3: And he for twenty five years had been married and

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Speaker 3: he was going to this nudist speech. His wife had

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Speaker 3: no idea he was a neudist, and so.

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Speaker 4: Well the positive he wasn't having an a fear.

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Speaker 3: That's right, he was just running around naked.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they wee, she might be into it. It must

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Speaker 4: be heart it must be heartbreaking for you.

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Speaker 6: And I imagine it doesn't get any easier having to

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Speaker 6: go back to the person and confirm their their worst fear.

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Speaker 3: Well fun, but you see, it's not really because that's

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Speaker 3: what I said in the beginning. These people actually know

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Speaker 3: they they have They have lived with this for months

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Speaker 3: or years before they call me. They really thought long

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Speaker 3: and hard about calling a private investigator. And it's got

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Speaker 3: to the point where they to save their sanity because

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Speaker 3: they've been guessed that they just know they need to

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Speaker 3: do something. And so for them it's like a relief

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Speaker 3: that they know, oh my god, I'm not nuts after all.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, what's one thing, one sure fire sign someone's straying.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, taking your phone into the toilet,

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Speaker 3: taking your phone everywhere you go, not allowing you've been

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Speaker 3: super protective of your phone, or deleting, deleting, deleting. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's that's that's pretty much because hey, look the old adage,

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Speaker 3: if you've got nothing to hide, you hide nothing great.

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Speaker 5: Editge What if I'm planning a surprise party or something

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Speaker 5: like that, Oh, this Dick's coming through.

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Speaker 1: What if that's you.

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Speaker 3: Know, but you know what the thing is. You know

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Speaker 3: when there's something right and something wrong. You know, when

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Speaker 3: there's something wrong in your marriage or in your relationship,

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Speaker 3: you instinctively feel it and you just but you'll keep

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Speaker 3: trying to deny it and trying to justify it. But

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Speaker 3: I think we all know when things are not going right,

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Speaker 3: and no matter how much you want them to be better,

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Speaker 3: if that niggel just doesn't go away, you know you've

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Speaker 3: got to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And and do people go to extreme links high affairs?

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Speaker 3: Women do?

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Speaker 4: Do they what's the most extreme cases?

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Speaker 3: I think they kind of women just you always usually

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Speaker 3: get the help of a girlfriend, and that's a great

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Speaker 3: cover because you know, the girl's night out or the

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Speaker 3: girl's going away to the batch, or the girls are

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Speaker 3: doing this and it's not the girls at all. It's

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Speaker 3: only one only one girl really, so.

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Speaker 4: The girls week in we need to be I'm more

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Speaker 4: suspicious of girls.

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Speaker 3: Girls are really, you know, because look, you know as

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Speaker 3: a woman that we have great friendships, deep friendships with

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Speaker 3: our friends where you can tell them anything, and you

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Speaker 3: can disclose stuff, and you talk about stuff. You go

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Speaker 3: right down into the depths of situations where men tend

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Speaker 3: to flitter around on top on the surface, they don't

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Speaker 3: really go deep, whereas women go deep.

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Speaker 2: I've got to bury my body. Friend, a friend that's

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Speaker 2: going to help me bury your body if I need

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Speaker 2: to one day.

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Speaker 3: Well, we all have those friends, Yes we do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she told us the first day she was working

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Speaker 4: with us too.

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Speaker 1: Which ye kind of put us off a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, so we might be hiring your services.

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Speaker 3: Well, my husband keeps wondering why there these humps in

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Speaker 3: our gardens odd mound and I have been married four times.

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Speaker 1: Trying to mow the lawn.

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Speaker 5: Private investigator, Thank you so much for your time, but

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Speaker 5: answer our questions.

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Speaker 1: We really do appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: You guys are welcome